Philip DeFranco I'm personally Jewish but I don't find this offensive I understand how people can find this offensive. The hollocaust was horrible and I don't think it should be joked about. That's just my opinion
Philip DeFranco If the President can make racist and, or, sexist comments. I think his citizens should also have that right. It's disgusting, I don't like it, it shouldn't happen, but if he is jailed, why do others have privileges.
I'm jewish and I think its ridiculous that hes being charged as a crime. A jokes a joke, he did it in his private home and it isnt even racist. Joking around =/= racism
Just want to put it out there that many of us Turks are not happy with the way we are being represented by Erdoğan and his ilk. This whole situation makes me so embarrassed and ashamed. I'd say more, but I don't want to go to jail.
Aslan Richard Dilek aren't there a lot of people who support him though? I'm not trying to say anything about your people if there are supporters I'm sure they have their reasons i was just curious
He said these things joking on how horrible nazis are contrasting the dog's cuteness. He clearly didn't mean to promote antisemitism and clearly didn't. What's worrying isn't what he said to a fucking PUG (for fuck's sake), but the fact that this goes to court. When someone's calling a dog moving its' paw a hate crime, it's really downgrading the seriousness of actual hate crimes and racism that occur every day.
MrMojoRisinV "he isn't promoting anti-semitism"? Tf, he's saying gas the jews. Do you realize just because the internet uses it as an edgy joke that it is STILL a big deal. Have some regard for other people's families who were slaughtered for just being born.
What I mean is that personally I think that there's a HUGE difference between saying dumb shit (that don't reflect your ideology at all) to a dog and actually being a racist, antisemite, a person who mistreats other people and is causing harm through his actions. These two things should not be equated.
It isn't a big deal, you of all people would know that it wouldn't ever work in a modern society, to begin with. Besides, it doesn't support anti-Semitism at all. It's was a joke he made and he even CLEARLY states he doesn't support it. It's been 70 fucking years, deal with it and move on.
This doesn't look like hate crime; he did say "the least cute thing I could think of". It may be insensitive to make references to the Nazis, but he did point out that he doesn't like them.
actual ww2 survivors are proud to mock, insult and make jokes about the nazi it seems to be people of post war generations that have the crybully mentality
well, it's more than inappropriate, it is propagating Nazism as cutesy and reducing holocaust that was planned by a regime that soared on propaganda to a trifle. It's like a well known rape reenacted in detail and in full length by corgis, but still worse. He should go to jail just to learn respect.
I was raised Jewish, grew up most of my life in Israel where they have an annual day of remembrance for the holocaust. Saw many survivors speak and share their stories. All of that is not including everything taught in school just as part as normal curriculum. There is nothing I hate more than nazis, what they did was absolutely despicable. So that being said I would like to say that the Scottish dude is in the clear in my opinion. Saying that he is a nazi, is taking away from what a nazi is. Nazis are cruel murderers, this guy has a dark sense of humor. Some might find it distasteful but I personally thought it was funny. In my opinion lumping this dude into the same category as some who kill another / experiment on another/ torture another etc due to the fact he was different, is a very dangerous road to go down. Let the antisemitics / racists / homophobics etc shine in their own light so we know who to avoid. Don't get that group all mixed up with normal people.
It sucks for this guy. It was a clearly a joke that took it to the extreme of social norms. I completely agree that lumping this guy with actual malicious people who conduct hate crimes against people is absolutely fucking stupid.
Shaun Carter it is absolutely insane to me that people are judging words without looking at context and intent. If you are going to word police someone, at least get it right haha
IdRatherWatchStatic came to make a comment about how it was clearly intended to be a joke and that people are overreacting. Again. However you already said everything I wanted to. You saved me the trouble of typing.
He said "the least cutest thing, a Nazi" you can obviously tell he didn't mean it as a hate crime. It seems like everything these days is offensive to everyone
Growing up with both parents being Jewish; one side leaving Germany and the other side leaving Russia for antisemitism. I find that humor is the best way to deal with the tragedies that occur in the world. The guy is not a Nazi sympathizer and was clearly making a joke as he stated in the video. Huge difference between a joke and actually hating a group of people for their race, religion, sexual orientation, and etc. Society is becoming a bit PC.
Gallant Gaming Was it in super poor taste and not funny at all? Yes. Is it worthy of jail time? I don't think so. It's pretty clear to me that it wasn't malicious, but more a case of "not considering the consequences of what you say".
I'm Jewish and while I do not get offended easily for myself I can see why other Jews would be offended. However, while it may be offensive, it is NOT a hate crime and in my opinion should not be prosecuted in an effort to punish this man because I think that potentially offensive speech is still free speech and free speech should be protected
It's bullshit, he even said he was gonna turn the dog into the "least cute thing" he could think of, basically saying he doesn't like nazis and he thinks it's disgusting. I don't like nazis either but to be honest it would've been funny to me for like 10 seconds and I would've moved on with my life if it wasn't followed by him being prosecuted.
Exactly. What happened to those times where if we saw an offensive joke, we would either slightly chuckle or cringe and move on? If the person truly is an antisemite, im pretty damn sure he would hide it and not make it plainly obvious.
Jew here. Doesn't matter if he was joking or serious (even though he was clearly joking). Jailing someone for speech that doesn't directly and demonstrably incite violence (creating imminent danger) should be viewed as barbaric in any 1st would country. It's disgusting that this guy has to deal with the possibility of prison time. Even if he was a real Nazi, this would be ridiculous and evil. if a person is ignorant enough to believe Nazi nonsense, you need to teach him otherwise. Suppression of hate speech doesn't do anything to deligimize it.
Momentum Knockout agreed. silencing speech you don't like, more often causes it to spread more. Can we stop trying to make "an example" of people simply making an off-color joke?
German who had Jewish family in Germany during WW2 here and I'm kind of torn here. I think this case is pretty clear, it was a joke, etc. and I find it awful to think, that he might serve a prison sentence for this, but I'm not sure if the limit should be "direct incitement of violence". In Germany the NSDAP (narzi party) is outlawed as an illegal undemocratic group and therefore nobody is allowed to promote them, as that would be "promoting something illegal". This is the law which outlaws the swastica in Germany, even though it doesn't mention the swastica. You still can show the swastica for example crossed out as an anti-nazi sign or in movies, school, art, etc. in a historical context, but not as to promote it. This isn't a direct incitement of violence, but I can see it making sense.
I am Jewish, and I dont understnad why that man faces jail time for making a joke. Was it a tactless, insensitive joke, yes! But he wasnt trying to preach to anyone or to bring back Nazism... he was simply making a bad joke.
JustForFunST just look at Mel Brooks movies and his brand of comedy. I still stand by in saying none of his movies would be allowed to be made today. which is ashame because his movies are great and classic.
Right as a fellow Scot, this is some fuckin bullshit. Most won't know, but as a people, we take the utter piss out of anything and everything - including ourselves. Savagely. To try and curb that is racist to us, some could say lol What about mainstream comedians? Check out Frankie Boyle - been aired on big mainstream TV shows (live at the Apollo etc), comedy satire panel shows, has had massive DVD sales, live tours - and I garuantee you he has said worse than this dude. Also a Scot lol Poor taste? Yeah, for sure. Does that mean this guy should be criminalised and potentially jailed though? Utter bollocks. See if these outrage seekers and authorities would concentrate their efforts on seeking out the people who preach genuine hate and harm to other groups, rather than going for easy visible (but ultimately innocent) individuals for nothing more than gags of poor taste, the world would maybe get somewhere. But hey, there are political brownie points to be had... What a lot of pish. Is Idubbbz said, its either all ok, or none of it is ok.
I think it was a stupid joke, but also.... It was clearly a f***ing joke!! He was teaching a pug to be a nazi! Not only that, but with the intent for that to be a negative thing. What sort of idiot would see watch that and think he was promoting anti-semitism or the nazi ideology!?
I'm Jewish, and this is obviously not anti-semetic. He even says in the video "My girlfriend thinks her dog is really cute, so I'm going to turn it into the least cute thing I can think of, which is a Nazi" which means that it's clearly a joke. Also, what would make Adolf Hitler happier were he alive today, knowing that people still feared the Nazis after the Nazi Party disbanded in 1945 or seeing people make jokes about the Nazis because we see their ideology as so ass-backward and ridiculous? I assume the latter. That being said, I don't really take offense to anything anymore, even if people are truly being antisemetic, racist, homophobic, ect because I find their opinions so ass-backwards and ridiculous that I cannot help laughing. I find it hilarious that people think in these ways.
Ideas exist to be mocked. The instant government jumps what's okay and not okay with regards to who and what you can and can't mock, it becomes a form of oppression.
Hannah Luden exactly! Adolf Hitler would blow his stack if he saw people making the nazis into a joke to annoy your girlfriend. he would love that the pc poloce still fear to utter the name nazi. in fact the actor who played the fat dumb nazi in Hogan Heroes was KILLED by nazis for making them look like idiots in a sitcom.
I have Jewish family. The way I see it: When it comes to comedy, to quote Carlin, either it's all okay or none of it's okay (I might be getting the exact phrase slightly off but it's what he said). There's a time and a place for everything sure; I should hope you wouldn't make these types of jokes in a synagogue, but outside of that? If I can't joke about Nazism, can I not joke about race? If I can't make black/asian/white people jokes, can I then not joke about sex/gender too? Once you start censoring one you have to censor it all. Now there are places for everything-- I would hope you wouldn't go to your local gaming forum and said the N word especially with a hard R, but as far as being out in the open/a place like RUclips? I dont see the problem. This should not be an issue (Nazi an issue?)
The intent and context of what your saying/doing matters. And only that. But we somehow ended up in a world where everything everyone is saying or doing is taken out of the context and click bait fake news media are running with it. No one is looking at the whole picture anymore :'( Everything is reduced to 140 characters or an emoji :'( A short headline and no one is reading or looking for what exactly was the person trying to say or do. Everyone is easily offended by everything. And all this happened in the past 10 or so years.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: To whom do you award the right to decide which speech is harmful or who is the harmful speaker? Or determine in advance what are the harmful consequences going to be, that we know enough about in advance to prevent? To whom would you give this job? To whom are you going to award the job of being the censor? Isn’t it a famous old story that the man who has to read all the pornography, in order to decide what’s fit to be passed and what’s fit not to be, is the man most likely to be debauched? Did you hear any speaker, the opposition to this motion - eloquent as… one of them was - to whom you would delegate the task of deciding for you what you could read? To whom you would give the job of deciding for you, relieve you of the responsibility of hearing what you might have to hear? Do you know anyone - hands up - do you know anyone to whom you’d give this job? Does anyone have a nominee? You mean there’s no one in Canada good enough to decide what I can read? Or hear? I had no idea. But there’s a law that says there must be such a person. Or there’s a subsection of some piddling law that says it. Well, the hell with that law then. It’s inviting you to be liars and hypocrites and to deny what you evidently know already. About the censorious instinct we basically know all that we need to know, and we’ve known it for a long time. It comes from an old story about another great Englishman - sorry to sound so particular about that this evening - Dr. Samuel Johnson, the great lexicographer, compiler of the first dictionary of the English language. When it was complete, Dr. Johnson was waited upon by various delegations of people to congratulate him, of the nobility, of the quality, of the Commons, of the Lords - and also by a delegation of respectable ladies of London, who tended on him at his Fleet Street lodgings, and congratulated him. “Dr. Johnson,” they said, “we are delighted to find that you have not included any indecent or obscene words in your dictionary.” “Ladies,” said Dr. Johnson, “I congratulate you on being able to look them up.”
That Scottish guy should be in no trouble whatsoever or recieve any punishment except for other peoples critisism of him, expressed with their WORDS. This is very disturbing to me. FREEDOM OF SPEECH is SO VALUABLE. This is insane. He didn't hurt anybody or tell anyone to hurt anybody. We need to fight for him and his freedom of speech. If this becomes a "big story" and the media tries to paint it as "acceptable" it can change everything negativily. What makes this scary is that its a guy talking about nazis, and not alot of people are gonna jump to protect his freedom of speech, because they are scared to be seen as nazi, even though WHAT hes talking about doesnt matter. This is a power play by the enemy of freedom of speech, and it is a very smart one. We MUST do something. We MUST Be smarter. I think there is a reason why Phil did not share his opinion. He wants to see if we are smart. People are either gonna debate about the nazi stuff, or be smart and debate about the real story, freedom of speech.
The UK has a (recent) history of handing out jail time for comments written online, even just on the basis of vulgarity. There's an issue where laws have been passed "for the good of the people" protecting muh feelings, because most politicians won't be caught dead defending the right to express vulgarity online.
Jesse Michael not only did the UK media slander him to try and turn the public against him but they actually sent people to talk to his neighbors and tried to convince them that he was a Nazi, fortunately his neighbors just told them to fuck off. Also he mentioned in his recent video that the court might accept character references from Scottish Jews so if anyone knows any Jews living in Scotland maybe see if they can help.
Getting offended is a choice. The whole point of freedom of speech is that you can say things that may offend or be controversial. It seems like many people in our modern age have forgotten about this simply fact...
blazeman381 thats a falsehood. threats are not covered. also, freedom of speech means the government cannot prosecute you. private corporations and people can do whatever they want.
Yea and the man mentioned in this story got arrested and is facing potential jail time. From the government. That isn't freedom of speech its censorship
blazeman381 "Freedom of speech" protects the speech of Americans, in America, from the American government. The UK and the rest of the EU does not recognize an equivalent right of it's citizens.... for that matter, neither does Canada. So if you happen to be abroad and wish say something that may offend some "protected" group, don't be surprised if you end up answering to the thought police....... oh, and you REALLY don't want to insult the King when visiting Thailand, you may laugh yourself right into prison.
Putting this man in jail for a joke is nothing short of ridiculous. It's overreaching censorship and the government owes him for the trouble they have put him through. -A Jew
The dog story was clear satire. In the original video he even explained the joke. His gf says her dog is the cutest thing in the world. So he made the dog into one of the worst things ever, a nazi. A nazi wouldn't make that joke cause they wouldn't think that a nazi is bad. If he made the dog a Jewish stereotype then the argument might have backing but he's making fun of nazis
Rushi Desai Yeah, the issue to me is that he used the holocaust for views, essentially. Plus using something so horrible as the basis for a prank... that's pretty shitty. So I think he should be punished... but the punishment is going the wrong direction.
Why would it ever be okay to jail someone for making a joke? It's scary to think that police actually showed up at this guys house and arrested him because of a joke, not inciting violence or hate or making threats, just a joke. How is that any different from Thailand jailing people for making fun of their king?
This is most European countries outside of the US. In England a man was sentenced to prison for putting bacon on a Mosque door handle... He was killed in prison...
Charlie Ward I know what your saying and agree on a certain level, but if I made a joke about the Scottish independence war and used terms like 'kill the scotts' would you be okay with that? and if you are that's up to you but I can't let that slide. I'm all for people growing a backbone and thicker skin on the Internet, but holocaust jokes are where I draw the line
Charlie Ward I agree that offence jokes have the right to be spoken l. I suppose the difference on our opinions lies on our sensibilities. I believe that there should be a hard line which nobody should cross. correct me if I'm wrong but I think you belief is that the line is more fuzy than that, lying in ambiguity.
No line was crossed. In fact I believe that if one is truly joking, nothing is off limits, ever. If YOU are offended, that does not make it objectively offensive, and it DEFINITELY does not make it malicious. Make jokes about anything and everything as much as you can. No word is a "Voldemort", if you will. The words only hold as much power as you give them.
godlyMike127 I agree. There are several jokes my younger brother tells me that I personally find distasteful and not at all funny, but I just tell him to fuck off and that he should go tell them to his friends instead, rather than trying to silence him. If you don't like a joke, don't interact with the comedian. It's that simple.
jail...for a joke? no matter how tactless it was or whether it was offensive or not, that is a dangerous precedent to set. Jailing for a joke is making its way to infringing our rights. Honestly that is not only a dangerous but a very scary precedent to set. Freedom of speech helps us protect all the other rights we have. What do we have if not that?
CarlaWTF several European countries have vague hate speech laws like that that they can use to throw anyone a court deems "hateful" in prison. There isn't freedom of speech.
Because it's against the law to make fun of him in his country. What human being, if given complete immunity from any negative repercussions, won't immediately abuse that immunity?
Idgaf if you find a joke tasteless. You know what's more tasteless? Sending a man to jail for making a joke. It shows an astonishing level arrogance that you feel entitled to locking someone away from his friends, family, and livelihood because he uttered a few phrases you didn't like. Your priorities are way out of whack if you put the supposed sentiments of a group over someone's rights.
AmishSaiyan dude if u live in a country that ban hate speech would u do it? Just don't do it for your own sake. What's more he even puts it online..... He is even more stupid than i thought.
+off-kilter People have a right to be hateful so long as they aren't violent. I hate a shitton of people in my life, doesn't even mean I'm going to even be rude to them if I see them on the street. Hate speech laws aren't just speech laws, they're thought laws. But that's not even relevant to this case. Nothing he said could be interpreted as hateful. At worse you could say he was tone deaf, but that would be you going out of your way to do so.
AmishSaiyan well todayI called a Mexican guy in my class a taco man, realized what I said and quickly apologized. He said it was fine and didn't seem that bothered by it. But my teacher heard it and sent me to the office, and apparently what I did was a hate crime and that i might be expelled. This stuff still happens and I don't know what to do about it.
I think a man who doesn't think to go to jail is incredibly amusing. His jokes were tasteless...really? Ahahaha! That's putting it lightly. What's tasteless is your mama's.....
off-kilter Im totally fine if people find a joke tasteless and show there distaste for said joke. This is a different situation, a person is being jailed for flexing his freedom of speech. Its not a matter if "Its illegal, your fault for doing dumb shit" more of "Hey stop prosecuting people for making a fucking joke" kind of deal.
Mazhar Celaleddin Keskinocak Counselor immunity. They can be kicked out of the country, but not prosecuted without the express permission of the Turkish government..........as likely as Turkey getting an Armenian President.
they were waving PKK flags which is recognised as turkey as a terrorist group. not justifying but what would donnie do if there were turkish protesters around his limo waving the isis flag.
That Scottish guy shouldn't face a 1 year sentence for making grade 9 holocaust jokes. If every person ever was jailed for a year for making a holocaust joke most of high school would be taught in jail.
dude this is ridiculous. He shouldn't go to jail over something like this. People should go to jail for beating other people up or actual harassment. for little jokes like this that were never meant to be taken seriously and that was meant as a joke that were never to be taken in the context people just assume are the case without understanding what kind of person they really are. Whether they are bad people or not.
Jack Yeager I'm actually a bit torn on this one. I mean, even though he obviously meant it as a joke, he is quite literally brainwashing a creature into responding to Nazi propaganda. For this all to work, he must have conditioned the dog for at least a few months. I think that is definitely a grade 9 Nazi joke gone too far for me. I'm also not sure if jail time is the right thing to punish him with, but I wouldn't be too quick to say ,,ahh, it's just a joke" on this one, because for me, it is a joke that's gone on too far.
I'm a modern orthodox religious Jew. I reviewed a few of the main Nazi videos from his channel. He's not an anti-semite. To me it's the same as a world renowned comedian making Nazi jokes or any jokes regarding ethnicity, religion, racism etc...
I thought it was funny as a jew myself, the guy had no intent to offended any jewish people and only wanted to mess with his girlfriend. I have no issue with it but I find it way too extreme for him potentially going to jail for it.
The Scottish dude is being shafted badly. He was clearly satirising Nazis. Sure, some jokes can feel like they go too far, but if we can't joke about the darkest times of human history, how are we supposed to have a hope of objectively deconstructing those events to pull lessons for future generations?
Jimmy eatsom Oh my god. So much yes. My exact thoughts on this. This is like my life philosophy. When we talked about the Holocaust in school, I always made tounge-in-cheek jokes because I was nervous and needed humor to make it easier to swallow and fully understand. Thank you for saying this.
The thing is tho, don't you have the right to free speech? Not that I in any way support anti-semitism, but at the end of the day, religion is a belief, it's something people choose to believe in, it's not like skin colour, place of birth, or how you were born, to me it's stupid that we still classify religion, something you choose, along with sexuality, gender, skin colour, which are things you're born as, and as such, didn't choose. This part not directed at you dear reader, just at a figment of my imagination who'll try to argue you can't talk shit because it's wrong. I mean, honestly, if you wanna believe in fairy tales, go ahead, but don't tell me I can't say whatever the fuck I want, when you're the one saying some entity created us, or that we'll go to hell bla bla bla. And I wouldn't know the difference between these fairytales, I never cared.
I have jewish heritage, my great grandfather was even killed during the holocaust. that guy wasn't offensive. He was clearly doing it ironically. its bold humour not racism.
Primarch Vulkan what the fuck does being Atheist have to do with anything like fuck off. Just cuz people don't follow fairy tales it doesn't have to do with anything.
Sadly, people don't know what a joke is anymore. I'm so sick of people calling out other people for shit like this. It's a damn joke, get over it. The way this whole movement of people telling other people that "this is wrong and thou shall be punished for it" is freakishly heading towards a similar outline to the universe of '1984'! People really just need to fucking calm down and stop being so fucking serious about everything. Comedians warn other comedians not to perform at schools and universities because the tight-arse people at them get so damn up-tight about a joke about race. It's a joke; it's okay to laugh at it, there's nothing wrong with a sense of humour, even if it may be a darker sense of humour than what you prefer, it's still just humour, nothing more.
Well, thats fine, I'm not too familiar with Soros, so I didn't get that it was just to point out he wasn't actually a jewish anti semite, which would be strange. xD
As a person who was raised Jewish, and who's family was a part of the holocaust, I say that this is not offensive. This is a joke, and a pretty funny one at that. Making things like this out to be racist normalizes real racism, and devalues how horrendous racism can actually be.
"To say words that they use" well RIP German. But no seriously as a Jewish man that over half of his heritage was erased by the Nazis I do not find him offensive. I personally believe that a man that can't joke about himself hasn't accepted who he is, same thing with religion and events, the Holocaust happened, it was horrible and never should happen again, but unless he is sincere with his words, a man saying "gas ze Jews" makes more fun on Nazis than it does Jews. I feel ashamed that this man is being prosecuted for a *HARMLESS JOKE*. But yeah, that situation is BS and I hope that even if he does lose than it is just community service, sure there are limits to humor but dark/bold humor is not a crime.
I've read through the comments and all I see are random people claiming to be Jewish who probably have very little connection with those events yet they are finding it offensive and playing the victim. Wish more people were like you and not trying to turn the world into a place where you must never offend anyone, or else!
They're literally doing the opposite bud. They're Jews who are saying this situation is stupid and homeboy obviously isn't an anti-Semite. It's I conceivable how you came to the conclusion you did.
Scotland is extremely left wing socially, we are nearly as bad as the Scandinavians for letting the SJW movement to entirely take over our politics. It is good in the way that people don't care at all about gender or sexual preferences (our first minister is a women, the leader of our conservative party is a female lesbian) but it means nowadays the extremist left views get listened to far more than they should be.
Sure the joke was distasteful and far from funny. But do I believe he should be sent to jail? No. What an absurd idea. Being arrested for saying anti-semitic phrases to a dog? Do we not have more dangerous individuals to put in jail?
Idk, I found it kind of funny. I get your point though. On a side note I accidentally clicked off onto your channel and I love the content. Keep it up you should have more subscribers :)
I know when I was a university student I made a lot of distasteful jokes and drew swatiska on someones face when we were drinking and we thought it was hilarious and that was with Jewish friends as well looking back on it its kind of cringeworthy but it was not in anyway antisematic or hate speech it was just a bad joke and I can almost guarantee that there are more students continuing the tradition of bad kind of offensive jokes doesnt mean they deserve to go to prison for it
Though that's right, a lot of people use that as an excuse to simply upset other people. People that see some horrible event and then go to post things about the people that died on their relatives facebook page or online forums where they know it will be read a lot is pretty disgusting human beings. Just joking bro isn't a very good excuse there.
The fact that Americans were assaulted for protesting on their own land, and nothing is done in response to the attackers, is weak. Even a denouncement of the security guard's actions would be better than nothing if diplomatic immunity prevents direct action. But Trump has aligned himself with Erdogan, and everyone else is too spineless to stand up for your citizens. EDIT: I don't think there has yet been time for a proper response that stands up for the assaulted. I hope there will be one. John McCain (you know, the ex-serviceman US senator Trump doesn't like for being captured while fighting for your country) has spoken against it.
Unfortunately, they get diplomatic immunity. They should be punished, but if they were without immunity, we might end up at war in a heartbeat. All ambassadors and foreign dignitaries are given this. Sux but true.
I personally am Jewish. My grandfather is a Holocaust survivor in fact, but I don't think that man deserves legal punishment. The joke was in bad taste, but we have to look at intent. It does not seem that this man was actively trying to harm anyone
Brien Campbell The way I see it the joke was even meant to demean Nazis, not Jews. He even said in the start of the video that since his girlfriend always talked about how cute their dog is, he'd try to turn it into the least cute/most disgusting thing he could think of, an nazi. I'd say that this is more anti-nazi rather than anti-Semitic.
I really disprove in the idea of throwing somebody in prison for making Nazi jokes. We're talking about jokes, not threats. Especially when people making Nazi jokes is one of the things actually Nazis hate. They hate the idea of getting made fun of, and taking the thought of gasing the Jews lightly. Thinking they're the all mighty, and making them sound like harmless idiots. When I watched his video of show casing what he taught his girlfriend dog was utterly one of the funniest things when it came to shock value. I never thought he, nor the dog would harm anybody, especially a Jewish person. People just need to see jokes, as jokes.
Hatora Abe But to what extent, i get that it's a joke I'm not disagreeing here but you truly never know the true meaning behind someone's words and I'm honestly tired of people being allowed to make risky or racial comments and hide behind the "comedy" wall. I mean sure, most likely that this guy ment no harm but the joke excuse has to have a line no?
Hatora Abe I agree and I also think it is absolutely ok for people to be offended based on what they know/ have been through. As a stepson to a proud jewish man and a celebrator of jewish culture I find it funny with caution. I am fully understanding of their outrage but that needs to be where it stops. This man should have his freedom to joke about whatever he pleases just as these people have the right to not like it.
I really don't think he should even be going to court. Seriously, there was no hate speech just a few nazi and Hitler references... what happened to freedom of speech?! Clearly the guy isn't racist, the world seems to have lost its common sense in recent years.
360flipmaster I think it's fair to say it was probably a mistake making the video, but should he go to court and potentially jail over it? Absolutely fucking not.
If it's *purely* comedic, I don't care. if the humor itself didn't hurt anybody, let it be. I myself like offensive humor, so my opinion may be swayed. I take the humor as a way of coping with the events.
Interesting, you said "if the humor itself didn't hurt anybody, let it be". Just out of curiosity, what's an example of humor that does hurt people then?
I like offensive or dark humor sometimes but I being Jewish myself and my great grandparents being involved in the holocaust and other close people who had family members murdered by nazis, I don't really like when someone jokes or takes the holocaust or nazism lightly, even if I wasn't Jewish I would't think it is funny.
Comedy is relative to the observer. In my opinion, comedy should absolutely no limit. If something is funny then EVERYTHING is funny, or nothing is funny. You can't set a limit. But like my first sentence, it's relative. To you, this particular video is not funny, however, to others it could be. If someone can be jailed for this, you might as well arrest every Trey Parker & Matt Stone, every comedian, hell every person.
Xortan187 Ref Skull is Nazi but he has nothing to do with the Nazi Party, he only joined them for his own goals. Hydra has been around since ancient Egypt.
Ahmad Hayat i would also like to add, in the show Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, it is stated that Hydra is a Nazi organization, still practices Anti-Semitism. In the current Marvel Canon, Hydra is Nazi.
I'm not Jewish but I have Jewish heritage (my grandfather) and although I can see how these jokes could be seen as tactless I personally see them for what they were meant to be, jokes. He isn't making fun of the holocaust or Jewish people, he's making fun of Nazis. I see no issues with his jokes and don't find them offensive and certainly not prosecutable. it's a crazy world we live in.
I think that this whole situation is being blown way out of proportion. This guy specifically said that he was trying to make the dog into the "least cute" thing that he could. He was saying that being anti-semitic is horrible, not promoting it.
Kiyan Downing a lot of dumbasses say stupid things to try and get others into trouble, once that happens they try to beat them so they feel good about themselves. All they are doing is going against everything they stand for. You can say anything you want as long as I don't hear it, you don't actually say it and you don't actually think it. That's average American logic.
Kiyan Downing Yeah, yeah! Let's go have this guy charged for making an edgy, joke! It's not like that's going to backfire and create far more antisemitism then his video could ever have possibly hoped to create!
I am a religious jew and while I think the video was in poor taste, he should NOT be jailed or getting this type of backlash. If someone else thinks it is funny, great for them, for me I don't really care for it. But he FAILED, as that dog is still adorable.
Eliana Peretz I'm not a Jew, I was joking LOOl. But on a serious note, I would get why people would find this funny, and I would also understand why people would find this offensive... but context matters, he has openly bashed nazism.
Big think jail time is a bit harsh I think there are two options: 1. A slap on the wrist and a warning 2. Israeli special forces and or secret police have a chat.
honestly, it is amazing that US citizens could be attacked, filmed and left in pain with no one in the main stream speaking about it. I'm actually going to ask my mother if she knows about it, she's retired and watches the news ALL day. I'd like to see how far it's reached
The first case seems to be about the Scottish Council of Jewish Communities/Scottish Police caring more about sending a message than about doing that which is morally right. To send a man to jail/gaol (Scottish) when he had no harmful intentions, had no victim and caused no harm is just malicious and venomous. Will sending Marcus to jail/gaol make Scotland a better place (temporarily or otherwise)? No. Will sending Marcus to jail/gaol make Marcus a better person? No. There is no reason for Marcus to spend time in prison.
@love lea I left the Northern Hemisphere about 20 years ago (as a toddler) so I'm not familiar with "recent" changes of language in Scotland. I knew that "gaol" was a dying word (in Scotland) hence "jail" featuring first, I didn't know that the word was completely dead. No loss, I prefer jail anyway.... As long as the "r" continues to be before the "e" in words like "centre," (in Britain) I'll have no linguistic complaints. As a petty, useless sidenote (from myself), "jail" and "gaol" are pronounced exactly the same so technically people can unintentionally say the dead word.
Ok so I'm Jewish been so my whole life keep kosher the whole thing. My grandparents went through the holocaust. And to see someone be put in jail because someone was making fun of the people who perpetrated that evil is stupid. The fact we can joke about it means that we have conquered it more or less and that we're not scared of them. It's kinda a symbol of power in away. (Crossing fingered for that Friday show)
I'm a Jew, from Israel actually, and this was clearly a joke. and even if we can debate on whether he shouldhave told it (my opinion:we shouldn't police speech almost never) he for sure shouldn't serve time for it!!!
AtomicmonkeyTCG Ya, go to Israel and 1/5 of the population doesn't even work because "of their religion". There's crazy people everywhere and I would almost certainly say the worst are in Israel though. Getting mad is a bit different than firebombing peoples houses, but again generalizations are awesome aren't they.
Did he hurt anyone? No. Did he mean to hurt anyone? No. Did he physically harm somebody? NO! Also, keep in mind we're talking about jokes, not threats. You shouldn't be able to sue someone based on what they said or you being offended about something. That's basically suing based on opinion, and opinion is not allowed in court(hearsay) People need to chill.
Pyrotron I still think he can be accused of being anti-Semite because he TAUGHT A DOG HOW TO BE A NAZI... like even if it was just a prank or a joke he's a douchebag and should atleast be punished... jail time and sueing though are definitely too extreme
Context matters. No rational person can believe or argue that the Scottish RUclipsr meant to make any serious political statement with that dog, with that JOKE. This attempt at prosecution for a thought crime is absurd.
I especially like the look on the bodyguard's face when the cop started thumping him with the nightstick. Bet that's never happened to him back in Turkey.
Freedom of speech should be applied to everything, not handpicked as you see fit. In my opinion, offensive speech should not be criminalized (except for death threats, but those fall in a category of their own obviously). I will always go by a simple rule - offense is taken, not given; and to me at least it's obvious that a lot of people in this age feel the complete opposite.
Thank god we have that in America right now. But sadly people are still trying to pass laws banning "Hate speech". The thing about ban "Hate speech" is that who decides if it is hate speech or not. For example if you are against illegal immigration, some people will say that is "racist" and claim you are using hate speech, even though illegal immigration isn't just one race.
Mayla Roll Exactly. Even if we find it ridiculous that someone would be jailed for making rude and offensive comments, the rest of the worlds sees that as a perfectly normal consequence.
I'd just like to point out that freedom of speech is actually defined as one having the right to critique/joke about the government without facing any legal ramifications. It does not cover things like hate speech or (as you pointed out) threats of violence etc.
Comedy has no "line" to cross. Nothing is off limits and it's supposed to be that way. I'd rather it be illegal to be offended than to have to go to court for joking.
Though i agree that this guys situation is fucking stupid. Saying things like "Comedy has no "line" to cross." May as well say "speech has no lines to cross" because anyone can say they are saying something in the name of comedy there is no comedian license where you have to go and make some people laugh so they now deem you to be unable to be offensive. We have let ourselves get to a time in the world where Phil himself wants to have a conversation with a bunch of people who foam at the mouth over a "problematic" t shirt. This fucking lunacy should have been stamped out years ago but it was not and now we have to deal with it. Unfortuanty Markus will be dealing with it first hand.
I'm not connected to the Holocaust but seriously, it's fucking ridiculous he's in trouble for this. What about comedians making racist, homophobic, anti-semitic jokes, should they be considered criminals? It's obviously satire and I'm so pissed it's gotten as far as the courts, he even says in the freaking video that Nazis are the worst of the human race.
To me as long as it's under the umbrella of satire all should be allowed. Honestly, the last couple of months have been bad enough for the world, we need a bit of comedy to get us through :)
Posting pictures of the king in a crop top isn't even defamation because it's something that actually happened. If he's embarrassed maybe he shouldn't have done it?
The king is clearly not embarrassed. Hes walking around in a mall with his gf and meeting/saluting military. its the Thai government that has their crop tops in a bunch. The king couldnt care less what people think. He loves his crop tops.
The Spaniard You are missing my point above. Its not the King upset. Its the public that poke fun and think he looks funny for wearing crop tops etc and the government doesnt like people making fun of him. The Kings seems like a funny guy doing as he pleases, people are just haters. Not saying the government is right for censoring people but they need to get lives and let the King wear his glorious crop tops.
Un_Official I honestly find it hard to say he shouldnt be punished when he says "[Nazism and Anti Jew ideals] should not exist in todays society" when he uses that moments as "comedy"
Ctron Do tell me how so because I point out literally to his apology. He has the right to say things but it was offensive. He doesnt see it as offensive and says he isnt that type of person but makes remarks. its a bit like saying "im not racist to black people" and then saying "Jeez these black people need to be shot up because they are stupid black people" and still saying "Im not racist"
3rdworlds No but in reality you need to really watch what you say. It is a bit biased how you can pass around jokes and not get in trouble for it. Refer to my other comment
He's not being antisemitic when he's saying "I wanted to turn the pug into the ugliest thing that I can think of." He's clearly not condoning Nazi ideology. The joke was in poor taste, but it was just that... a joke. Should people joke about it? I guess that's up to them. I don't think it's funny to joke about, but I don't think a lot of sensitive topics are funny when joked about. At the same time, people should be able to say what they want, within reason. Telling someone to kill themselves is obviously not okay, but sensitive topics can be joked about. As for showing Nazi symbolism and all that, it's important. Nazis are a huge part of WORLD history, and censoring all of that wouldn't do anything except pretty much ensure that it happens again. The swastika is a religious symbol that the Nazis adopted it into their ideology. According to the US Holocaust museum it's still widely seen in countries where it's used as a religious symbol, having nothing to do with Nazi ideology. If you censor talking about the Nazis, then you're essentially preventing any further discussion about World War 2, and erasing it from history. History shouldn't be erased, it should be discussed and learned from.
I completely agree, it wasn't an anti-semetic joke it was just in bad taste. A joke in bad taste is usually defined as taking something extremely serious inappropriately lightly - thats exactly what he did. It's still bad, but the dudes nowhere near being a nazi
wizkid1594 he still shouldn't have done it in the first place and he deserves punishment, definitely not this extreme but atleast some kind, like just his name being out there with this story should be enough tho
That's the thing that blows my mind. Felix had the same reasoning. If we can't make fun of that horribleness what are we supposed to do? Pretend it never happened and just bury it away? Some people need humor to help with such horrific things. It's just insane when people can't get that and drive it to another thing completely different.
The Scottish guy has freedom of speech. Perhaps the joke wasn't in good taste, but it's obvious he wasn't supporting Nazi values or condoning Hitler's actions.
falsebuild I don't think you got my point. There are plenty of places in the world where there is freedom of speech. Just because an incidenct like this occured in Scottland doesn't mean the US is the only place in the world to have "true" freedom of speech.
I think its funny. A pug nazi, that makes me laugh. I don't think it makes him an anti-semite, I also don't think that one can diminish someones feelings to be offended - that is their right. But to take it past offense into actual offense against the law territory feels excessive and misguided as there are genuine examples of nazism and spreading neo-nazi ideals that require more anger. I dunno, all in all I just find it funny and can't preach ridiculous rhetoric like "Dont get offended check yourself" and just dismiss feelings, but my feeling is that I saw it and I thought it was funny and that was it. Love to hear some other thoughts though and am open to debate and change!
I'm Jewish. I showed this to my mom when it first came out and we both thought it was hilarious and adorable. Sure the Holocaust was horrible, but it still needs to be made fun of just like anything else that is horrible in order for people to heal from it. Majority of the Left now seems to have forgotten the humor heals all. Leaving or making something taboo only keeps the wound fresh and open. That being said, he failed in his mission to make that pug less cute.... Just sayin
Yeah. I agree. My family is Japanese-American and well - for those who didn't read the small paragraph in their history book in high school covering WWII - went through the Diet, Off-Brand, Concentration Camps during WWII. Only, you know, instead of killing the Japanese-Americans on American soil, they trusted the Germans should do it since they had more expertise on the art of genocide. Imagine how baffled America was when they got reports of over 200% casualty rate, and the Japanese-Americans still came home from a suicide mission as the most decorated unit... Oops.... Moral of the story. Frowning on and making something taboo only weakens people to take a role of being more helpless. The strong make it through rough times, share the story so it's not forgotten, and teach others to be strong as well (ideally). If you can't laugh about something, then you can't move on. You can even roll your eyes or shake your head, but it still proves you acknowledge the idea behind it and have healed. You hit it spot on, people are forgetting this.
FDR is my favorite President and he was a great American leader, but yeah that whole Japanese internment stuff is a black stain on his legacy for sure.
Disclaimer: Am Jewish No one should be jailed for comedy. He didn't hurt anyone, nor did he have the intention of hurting anyone. Was it offensive? yes. Did I enjoy it? Not really. But I have made jokes before at the expense of others and I can't be one of these hypocrites saying that jail time is in order. This isn't school where this shit gets you in trouble, this is an adult making an adult decision and a joke affecting him for the rest of his life is fucking ridiculous.
I apologize that as an American with no Middle Eastern affiliations to speak of, who has closely followed the Syrian Civil War since its beginning, who has not been brainwashed into thinking that a particular group of people are evil or terrible, I happily support the Kurds in their long-overdue struggle for independence.
This is one of the many reasons why I watch your show. I had not heard a single thing about that last story until you and that should be HUGE across all networks. This is why we need you and why I support your future network. Please keep us all informed!
If Thailand's King doesn't want to be photographed looking like he rolled out of his trailer, stepped over empty beer cans and stumbled off to Burger King for breakfast, he should probably think twice about his choices outfit before stepping out the door.
Angela Lee I actually read on Reddit that he doesn't give a fuck and it's the government who's trying to "maintain an image", so he's basically doing what he wants and the government is like "damage control!"
As an actual Jew I guess my opinion holds more sway but to me it seemed like he was making fun of nazi's. You don't make your dog listen to hitter if you believe in it and in fact laughing and talking about it is a good way to end it.
eli goldman I disagree that anyone 's opinion should hold more sway here. The fact that someone would serve jail time because another person might be offended by what they said is a crime against humanity and liberty period. The laws that would allow this would make Hitler proud
so called 'hate speech' can only occur when a word, phrase or idea is given an incredible amount of power by the general public. If part of the fight against racism and bigotry is to eliminate the power that words and phrases hold over peoples emotions, how in any way is it going to help "fight hate speech" to criminalise comedy (whether or not you like the humour) how will it 'help to fight bigotry' to simply give a bunch of sounds that are assembled in a sequence an actual life CRIMINAL connotation, this is the most disgusting use of anti free speech propaganda ive witnessed in recent times as a UK citizen, if he is criminally charged then the judge who passes the sentence should be ashamed of themself, he will lose all rights to work outsise of owning his own company, think about that, you personally could lose your rights for telling a joke, sickening.
That's the catch. When the definition of "hate speech" is not definite, anyone can make an argument for speech they don't like as being criminal. And that's grade A bullshit.
Exactly my thoughts, why not belittle the nazis? Living in fear of them is exactly what they would want. The only way I could imagine seeing a nazi joke as racist is if it made fun of the victims or made small of the crimes that took place. But thats just my opinion
The bodyguards weren't arrested because they most likely have diplomatic immunity. It's my understanding that immunity is only relinquished if the country of origin gives their people up for questioning/arrest. Which doesn't appear to be a likely scenario in this situation. It's unfortunate that the host country can't prosecute a crime we know was committed.
I believe it extends to all members in an official's party (the official in this case being the President). This includes his secretary, his spouse, and his bodyguards.
Remember children. This is why Merica is the greatest place on earth (as sad as that may be sometimes) because you can make a joke without serving jail time.
You have to remember that being anti-Zionist gets you branded anti-Semite. Saying you support the end of the Palestinian occupation makes you an anti-Semite. Even saying the word "Nazi", even in historical context, gets you branded an anti-Semite. Mentioning any Jews who have done the wrong thing in history gets you branded an anti-Semite. Basically everything makes you an anti-Semite these days.
I'm jewish and this is bullshit. The guy make a joke/prank and people lose there minds. Tired of people getting outraged for me, it's a dangerous road to start throwing people in jail because the govt doesn't approve of what you say. Hope the guy gets off easy.
There's a great sense of irony in that Jewish organization refers to Jewish people as a race. When that very idea of being Jewish makes you a certain race was fabricated by the Nazis. Also the best holocaust jokes I've heard came from my Jewish friends.
I thought that the joke wasn't funny and in poor taste, but it was still a joke. He didn't hurt any one, nor was he supporting those who hurt others. He shouldn't make jokes like that, but in the end punishing someone that severely over a joke is ridiculous.
If I saw someone doing that to their GF's dog, and the face and reaction of the cute dog being a little brainwashed nazi, I think I would die laughing. The sudden "What the--??" from the owner, looking at their precious baby heilin' and loving Jew jokes, it just seems like it would be a priceless reaction LMAO
True, Everyone whines about the 1930's and 200 years of black slavery but what about other countries like India who lost over 10million people over 700 years of enslaved by Mughal Emperors & British rulers, you don't see one person from India shouting or crying for it because they have forgiven but not forgotten. What about the Early era of Middle east when they enslaved 50,000 White people as slaves before Whites enslaved Africans. People take Jews and Blacks thing too overrated, seriously.
To me it never really matters if a joke is funny or not, I believe there should not be, and cannot be lines in comedy. Either everything is sacred or nothing is, and I prefer nothing to be. If someone is trying to make a joke, there is no line in my mind, and the fact that anyone could be imprisoned for one is absurd.
Austin Rosenbaum U should go to thailand and make a joke abt their royal family. I promise you will not be able to come back. pinky swear. it is not all abt u. don't be selfish.
I totally agree. As for the case of the King of Thailand, he looked so hilarious on that crop top and low-waist pants where his buttcrack is showing up. Now their demanding facebook to take the video out? lol their just putting themselves in more predicament situation.
There is no line when it comes to comedy. Period. Anything and everything needs to be allowed to be joked about. As soon as we as a people start deciding what is off limits, everything will become off limits. Even jokes about Nazism and Anti-semitism are completely fine. Some might be in poor taste but no joke should ever make someone go to prison.
John Polk no one should be jailed but I feel sometimes people can cross the line. however that line is subjective so... but yea no one should be jailed that's stupid
Anytime you add a persons perspective or opinion into deciding what is and isnt free speech, youve lost it all together. It needs to be completely subjective.
I feel terrible for the Scottish man. They're trying to make an example of him. Sick. I also feel terrible for the world I'm raising my children in, wherein there is NO longer the ability to voice your opinion, good or bad.
I feel like, if you are a Jew worried about a repeat of WW2, or even just sensibilities; that Scottish dude probably isn't high on the list of concern. The entire reason the video was created was because he wanted to comedically portray his dog in a negative light. *"In a negative light"* meaning he doesn't support Nazism. The entire premiss of his video is that Nazis are bad.
if you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it. yes, the joke was in very bad taste, but we can't just ignore that that type of mindset actually exists out in the world.
Making this one...ugh it made me so angry.
Philip DeFranco I'm personally Jewish but I don't find this offensive I understand how people can find this offensive. The hollocaust was horrible and I don't think it should be joked about. That's just my opinion
A guy making his dog do Nazi shit is fucking hilarious
Philip DeFranco after watching you on the JRE I was turned into your videos.
Philip DeFranco Diplomatic Immunity?
Philip DeFranco If the President can make racist and, or, sexist comments. I think his citizens should also have that right. It's disgusting, I don't like it, it shouldn't happen, but if he is jailed, why do others have privileges.
I'm Jewish.
I've experienced anti-semitism.
That video clearly wasn't an example of it.
Even if it was, no one should go to prison for speaking.
Same and I agree.
I'm jewish and I think its ridiculous that hes being charged as a crime. A jokes a joke, he did it in his private home and it isnt even racist. Joking around =/= racism
Just want to put it out there that many of us Turks are not happy with the way we are being represented by Erdoğan and his ilk. This whole situation makes me so embarrassed and ashamed. I'd say more, but I don't want to go to jail.
Aslan Richard Dilek aren't there a lot of people who support him though? I'm not trying to say anything about your people if there are supporters I'm sure they have their reasons i was just curious
Stay strong comrad. I actually like many of the Turks and rooting for you, the people.
Do you live in Constantinople?
It must suck for you turks when you lost your democracy.
Clearly the protesters should have brought a Pepsi.
Zach Guszczynski
I heard someone passed around a Mountain Dew.
Zach Guszczynski FALSE GOD FALSE GOD
Your comment is fucking 👌perfect!! Such dankness.
He said these things joking on how horrible nazis are contrasting the dog's cuteness. He clearly didn't mean to promote antisemitism and clearly didn't. What's worrying isn't what he said to a fucking PUG (for fuck's sake), but the fact that this goes to court. When someone's calling a dog moving its' paw a hate crime, it's really downgrading the seriousness of actual hate crimes and racism that occur every day.
MrMojoRisinV "he isn't promoting anti-semitism"? Tf, he's saying gas the jews. Do you realize just because the internet uses it as an edgy joke that it is STILL a big deal. Have some regard for other people's families who were slaughtered for just being born.
General Ivan It's more about being insensitive and having some respect for the people who lost their lives
What I mean is that personally I think that there's a HUGE difference between saying dumb shit (that don't reflect your ideology at all) to a dog and actually being a racist, antisemite, a person who mistreats other people and is causing harm through his actions. These two things should not be equated.
It isn't a big deal, you of all people would know that it wouldn't ever work in a modern society, to begin with.
Besides, it doesn't support anti-Semitism at all. It's was a joke he made and he even CLEARLY states he doesn't support it. It's been 70 fucking years, deal with it and move on.
Isn't all racism dumb shit tho
This doesn't look like hate crime; he did say "the least cute thing I could think of". It may be insensitive to make references to the Nazis, but he did point out that he doesn't like them.
Locking people up for being insensitive is scary.
*wrong think alert, wrong think alert*
David Phillips-zee wrong grammar alert, wrong grammar alert.
OldCreepyKarpis and it's people like you that ensure such hypersensitivity Will never die...
actual ww2 survivors are proud to mock, insult and make jokes about the nazi it seems to be people of post war generations that have the crybully mentality
why put a guy with unapropriate humour in jail , while open Nazis walks free?
My thought exactly!
Because they can't arrest you for your beliefs unless you put them on the internet so people can have their feelings hurt by them.
HyperhyperPsyCrow honestly if Nazi exist as long as they don't hurt anyone I could care less
well, it's more than inappropriate, it is propagating Nazism as cutesy and reducing holocaust that was planned by a regime that soared on propaganda to a trifle. It's like a well known rape reenacted in detail and in full length by corgis, but still worse. He should go to jail just to learn respect.
Its so obviously a joke. If you had watched any more of his videos, learned what kind of person he is, then you'd know that.
I was raised Jewish, grew up most of my life in Israel where they have an annual day of remembrance for the holocaust. Saw many survivors speak and share their stories. All of that is not including everything taught in school just as part as normal curriculum.
There is nothing I hate more than nazis, what they did was absolutely despicable.
So that being said I would like to say that the Scottish dude is in the clear in my opinion. Saying that he is a nazi, is taking away from what a nazi is. Nazis are cruel murderers, this guy has a dark sense of humor.
Some might find it distasteful but I personally thought it was funny.
In my opinion lumping this dude into the same category as some who kill another / experiment on another/ torture another etc due to the fact he was different, is a very dangerous road to go down. Let the antisemitics / racists / homophobics etc shine in their own light so we know who to avoid. Don't get that group all mixed up with normal people.
igor caique what are you talking about? Have you seen the pictures of him in shorts?? Know your history dude...
It sucks for this guy. It was a clearly a joke that took it to the extreme of social norms. I completely agree that lumping this guy with actual malicious people who conduct hate crimes against people is absolutely fucking stupid.
Shaun Carter it is absolutely insane to me that people are judging words without looking at context and intent. If you are going to word police someone, at least get it right haha
The guy was making fun of Nazis. as far as I can see. Is this even a debate?
IdRatherWatchStatic came to make a comment about how it was clearly intended to be a joke and that people are overreacting. Again. However you already said everything I wanted to. You saved me the trouble of typing.
He said "the least cutest thing, a Nazi" you can obviously tell he didn't mean it as a hate crime. It seems like everything these days is offensive to everyone
Everyone is so fragile period
Ryaka In the UK, we have a law where if it's hate speech, then it's illegal. Isn't it free speech?
+Liam McIntosh I bet that gets abused as fuck
Not to mention he has a handful of videos of him debating Nazis and call them idiots.
your opinion offends me
Growing up with both parents being Jewish; one side leaving Germany and the other side leaving Russia for antisemitism. I find that humor is the best way to deal with the tragedies that occur in the world. The guy is not a Nazi sympathizer and was clearly making a joke as he stated in the video. Huge difference between a joke and actually hating a group of people for their race, religion, sexual orientation, and etc. Society is becoming a bit PC.
LOL the biggest crime in Thailand is the King actually wearing a crop top and thinking its cool...
Think of the tan lines.
Maybe crop tops should be illegal?
So it would appear that the emperor has no clothes...
I hate to admit this gave me an involuntary chuckle- if only the king of Thailand were so powerless as the fables king with no clothes...
Yvonne Rahmes idgaf when I read that I laughed my ass off 😂
kings will be kings
he shouldnt have to serve time or anything. he made some jokes. he didn't do anything to harm or hurt anyone. this is bs
Gallant Gaming Was it in super poor taste and not funny at all? Yes. Is it worthy of jail time? I don't think so. It's pretty clear to me that it wasn't malicious, but more a case of "not considering the consequences of what you say".
I found it funny
I'm Jewish and while I do not get offended easily for myself I can see why other Jews would be offended. However, while it may be offensive, it is NOT a hate crime and in my opinion should not be prosecuted in an effort to punish this man because I think that potentially offensive speech is still free speech and free speech should be protected
It's bullshit, he even said he was gonna turn the dog into the "least cute thing" he could think of, basically saying he doesn't like nazis and he thinks it's disgusting. I don't like nazis either but to be honest it would've been funny to me for like 10 seconds and I would've moved on with my life if it wasn't followed by him being prosecuted.
Exactly. What happened to those times where if we saw an offensive joke, we would either slightly chuckle or cringe and move on? If the person truly is an antisemite, im pretty damn sure he would hide it and not make it plainly obvious.
Jew here. Doesn't matter if he was joking or serious (even though he was clearly joking). Jailing someone for speech that doesn't directly and demonstrably incite violence (creating imminent danger) should be viewed as barbaric in any 1st would country. It's disgusting that this guy has to deal with the possibility of prison time. Even if he was a real Nazi, this would be ridiculous and evil. if a person is ignorant enough to believe Nazi nonsense, you need to teach him otherwise. Suppression of hate speech doesn't do anything to deligimize it.
right on dude.
Exactly!!! How people don't see this infuriates me.
Momentum Knockout agreed. silencing speech you don't like, more often causes it to spread more. Can we stop trying to make "an example" of people simply making an off-color joke?
Thank fuck, someone with common sense.
German who had Jewish family in Germany during WW2 here and I'm kind of torn here.
I think this case is pretty clear, it was a joke, etc. and I find it awful to think, that he might serve a prison sentence for this, but I'm not sure if the limit should be "direct incitement of violence".
In Germany the NSDAP (narzi party) is outlawed as an illegal undemocratic group and therefore nobody is allowed to promote them, as that would be "promoting something illegal". This is the law which outlaws the swastica in Germany, even though it doesn't mention the swastica.
You still can show the swastica for example crossed out as an anti-nazi sign or in movies, school, art, etc. in a historical context, but not as to promote it.
This isn't a direct incitement of violence, but I can see it making sense.
I'm Jewish and I live in Mr Roger's neighborhood (Pittsburgh). Don't send this Scottish man to jail for narishkeit (silly stuff).
I am Jewish, and I dont understnad why that man faces jail time for making a joke. Was it a tactless, insensitive joke, yes! But he wasnt trying to preach to anyone or to bring back Nazism... he was simply making a bad joke.
JustForFunST just look at Mel Brooks movies and his brand of comedy. I still stand by in saying none of his movies would be allowed to be made today. which is ashame because his movies are great and classic.
>I am Jewish
Ok, but there are many different types of Jews, including Orthodox, whom tend to take things way too seriously.
because we Dont have free speech in the U.K.
+SheepPimp, Too bad, here in the US we get fenced in Free Speech Zones.
i agree. stupid and insensitive joke but serving jail time is ridiculous
Right as a fellow Scot, this is some fuckin bullshit. Most won't know, but as a people, we take the utter piss out of anything and everything - including ourselves. Savagely. To try and curb that is racist to us, some could say lol
What about mainstream comedians? Check out Frankie Boyle - been aired on big mainstream TV shows (live at the Apollo etc), comedy satire panel shows, has had massive DVD sales, live tours - and I garuantee you he has said worse than this dude. Also a Scot lol
Poor taste? Yeah, for sure. Does that mean this guy should be criminalised and potentially jailed though? Utter bollocks.
See if these outrage seekers and authorities would concentrate their efforts on seeking out the people who preach genuine hate and harm to other groups, rather than going for easy visible (but ultimately innocent) individuals for nothing more than gags of poor taste, the world would maybe get somewhere. But hey, there are political brownie points to be had...
What a lot of pish. Is Idubbbz said, its either all ok, or none of it is ok.
Franky is a legend lol
The fact it getting taken to court is a joke, lets hope the judge has an understanding of comedic effect... :/
I never thought I would say this but I am finally agreeing with a Scot, well said.
Purple Helmet anow man scotish humer is fucking mental
I think it was a stupid joke, but also.... It was clearly a f***ing joke!! He was teaching a pug to be a nazi! Not only that, but with the intent for that to be a negative thing. What sort of idiot would see watch that and think he was promoting anti-semitism or the nazi ideology!?
I'm Jewish, and this is obviously not anti-semetic. He even says in the video "My girlfriend thinks her dog is really cute, so I'm going to turn it into the least cute thing I can think of, which is a Nazi" which means that it's clearly a joke. Also, what would make Adolf Hitler happier were he alive today, knowing that people still feared the Nazis after the Nazi Party disbanded in 1945 or seeing people make jokes about the Nazis because we see their ideology as so ass-backward and ridiculous? I assume the latter. That being said, I don't really take offense to anything anymore, even if people are truly being antisemetic, racist, homophobic, ect because I find their opinions so ass-backwards and ridiculous that I cannot help laughing. I find it hilarious that people think in these ways.
That's what I see as well. Nazis and other discriminatory group need to be laughed at for the joke that they are.
Hannah Luden This .
Ideas exist to be mocked. The instant government jumps what's okay and not okay with regards to who and what you can and can't mock, it becomes a form of oppression.
Hannah Luden exactly! Adolf Hitler would blow his stack if he saw people making the nazis into a joke to annoy your girlfriend. he would love that the pc poloce still fear to utter the name nazi. in fact the actor who played the fat dumb nazi in Hogan Heroes was KILLED by nazis for making them look like idiots in a sitcom.
Is Count Dankula a case study or the norm for Sweden and their stance on free speech which seems to be squarely opposing it?
I have Jewish family.
The way I see it: When it comes to comedy, to quote Carlin, either it's all okay or none of it's okay (I might be getting the exact phrase slightly off but it's what he said). There's a time and a place for everything sure; I should hope you wouldn't make these types of jokes in a synagogue, but outside of that? If I can't joke about Nazism, can I not joke about race? If I can't make black/asian/white people jokes, can I then not joke about sex/gender too? Once you start censoring one you have to censor it all. Now there are places for everything-- I would hope you wouldn't go to your local gaming forum and said the N word especially with a hard R, but as far as being out in the open/a place like RUclips? I dont see the problem.
This should not be an issue (Nazi an issue?)
The intent and context of what your saying/doing matters. And only that.
But we somehow ended up in a world where everything everyone is saying or doing is taken out of the context and click bait fake news media are running with it. No one is looking at the whole picture anymore :'(
Everything is reduced to 140 characters or an emoji :'( A short headline and no one is reading or looking for what exactly was the person trying to say or do.
Everyone is easily offended by everything. And all this happened in the past 10 or so years.
I'm Jewish; this incidence just seems like a joke gone wrong, not that big of a deal
Samm Just same
Samm Just same I'm a jew boy and it's k
Not a big deal untill it happens to you!
Your people are out of control.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS:
To whom do you award the right to decide which speech is harmful or who is the harmful speaker? Or determine in advance what are the harmful consequences going to be, that we know enough about in advance to prevent? To whom would you give this job? To whom are you going to award the job of being the censor? Isn’t it a famous old story that the man who has to read all the pornography, in order to decide what’s fit to be passed and what’s fit not to be, is the man most likely to be debauched?
Did you hear any speaker, the opposition to this motion - eloquent as… one of them was - to whom you would delegate the task of deciding for you what you could read? To whom you would give the job of deciding for you, relieve you of the responsibility of hearing what you might have to hear?
Do you know anyone - hands up - do you know anyone to whom you’d give this job? Does anyone have a nominee? You mean there’s no one in Canada good enough to decide what I can read? Or hear? I had no idea. But there’s a law that says there must be such a person. Or there’s a subsection of some piddling law that says it. Well, the hell with that law then. It’s inviting you to be liars and hypocrites and to deny what you evidently know already.
About the censorious instinct we basically know all that we need to know, and we’ve known it for a long time. It comes from an old story about another great Englishman - sorry to sound so particular about that this evening - Dr. Samuel Johnson, the great lexicographer, compiler of the first dictionary of the English language.
When it was complete, Dr. Johnson was waited upon by various delegations of people to congratulate him, of the nobility, of the quality, of the Commons, of the Lords - and also by a delegation of respectable ladies of London, who tended on him at his Fleet Street lodgings, and congratulated him.
“Dr. Johnson,” they said, “we are delighted to find that you have not included any indecent or obscene words in your dictionary.”
“Ladies,” said Dr. Johnson, “I congratulate you on being able to look them up.”
Acer Rubrum are we looking for a censor? I'll take the job.
Acer Rubrum its either all okay or none of it is
-Ian/iDubz
That Scottish guy should be in no trouble whatsoever or recieve any punishment except for other peoples critisism of him, expressed with their WORDS. This is very disturbing to me. FREEDOM OF SPEECH is SO VALUABLE. This is insane. He didn't hurt anybody or tell anyone to hurt anybody. We need to fight for him and his freedom of speech. If this becomes a "big story" and the media tries to paint it as "acceptable" it can change everything negativily. What makes this scary is that its a guy talking about nazis, and not alot of people are gonna jump to protect his freedom of speech, because they are scared to be seen as nazi, even though WHAT hes talking about doesnt matter. This is a power play by the enemy of freedom of speech, and it is a very smart one. We MUST do something. We MUST Be smarter. I think there is a reason why Phil did not share his opinion. He wants to see if we are smart. People are either gonna debate about the nazi stuff, or be smart and debate about the real story, freedom of speech.
So far the nation has been very smart in these comments.
The UK has a (recent) history of handing out jail time for comments written online, even just on the basis of vulgarity. There's an issue where laws have been passed "for the good of the people" protecting muh feelings, because most politicians won't be caught dead defending the right to express vulgarity online.
Jesse Michael not only did the UK media slander him to try and turn the public against him but they actually sent people to talk to his neighbors and tried to convince them that he was a Nazi, fortunately his neighbors just told them to fuck off. Also he mentioned in his recent video that the court might accept character references from Scottish Jews so if anyone knows any Jews living in Scotland maybe see if they can help.
They don't have the same freedom of speech we have here in the US, they have hate speech laws, as does Canada.
Getting offended is a choice. The whole point of freedom of speech is that you can say things that may offend or be controversial. It seems like many people in our modern age have forgotten about this simply fact...
blazeman381 thats a falsehood. threats are not covered. also, freedom of speech means the government cannot prosecute you. private corporations and people can do whatever they want.
Yea and the man mentioned in this story got arrested and is facing potential jail time. From the government. That isn't freedom of speech its censorship
Nothing about what blazeman381 said was wrong other than "the whole" if you want to speak technically. But, even that is nitpicking.
blazeman381 "Freedom of speech" protects the speech of Americans, in America, from the American government. The UK and the rest of the EU does not recognize an equivalent right of it's citizens.... for that matter, neither does Canada. So if you happen to be abroad and wish say something that may offend some "protected" group, don't be surprised if you end up answering to the thought police....... oh, and you REALLY don't want to insult the King when visiting Thailand, you may laugh yourself right into prison.
David Martin Canada does protect its citizens freedom of speech as long as you don't bitch about foreign guests usually
Putting this man in jail for a joke is nothing short of ridiculous. It's overreaching censorship and the government owes him for the trouble they have put him through.
-A Jew
Those sneaky jew ferns. . .
One jew can't speak for all jews, but yes, I agree with you.
The dog story was clear satire. In the original video he even explained the joke. His gf says her dog is the cutest thing in the world. So he made the dog into one of the worst things ever, a nazi. A nazi wouldn't make that joke cause they wouldn't think that a nazi is bad. If he made the dog a Jewish stereotype then the argument might have backing but he's making fun of nazis
Rushi Desai Yeah, the issue to me is that he used the holocaust for views, essentially. Plus using something so horrible as the basis for a prank... that's pretty shitty. So I think he should be punished... but the punishment is going the wrong direction.
he shouldnt be punished we have freedom of speech for a reason
i think he has already learnt his lesson, it was clearly a joke
Rushi Desai no he shouldn't be punished for making a joke.
at all
Wermhats Wormhat It's nothing to do with the timing..? It's still gonna be a tragedy twenty years from now?
Why would it ever be okay to jail someone for making a joke? It's scary to think that police actually showed up at this guys house and arrested him because of a joke, not inciting violence or hate or making threats, just a joke. How is that any different from Thailand jailing people for making fun of their king?
Oselott right, it really is scary to see this.
This is most European countries outside of the US. In England a man was sentenced to prison for putting bacon on a Mosque door handle... He was killed in prison...
I absolutely agree, it's unacceptable for Scotland to be doing this.
Charlie Ward I know what your saying and agree on a certain level, but if I made a joke about the Scottish independence war and used terms like 'kill the scotts' would you be okay with that? and if you are that's up to you but I can't let that slide.
I'm all for people growing a backbone and thicker skin on the Internet, but holocaust jokes are where I draw the line
Charlie Ward I agree that offence jokes have the right to be spoken l. I suppose the difference on our opinions lies on our sensibilities.
I believe that there should be a hard line which nobody should cross.
correct me if I'm wrong but I think you belief is that the line is more fuzy than that, lying in ambiguity.
No line was crossed. In fact I believe that if one is truly joking, nothing is off limits, ever. If YOU are offended, that does not make it objectively offensive, and it DEFINITELY does not make it malicious. Make jokes about anything and everything as much as you can. No word is a "Voldemort", if you will. The words only hold as much power as you give them.
godlyMike127 I agree. There are several jokes my younger brother tells me that I personally find distasteful and not at all funny, but I just tell him to fuck off and that he should go tell them to his friends instead, rather than trying to silence him. If you don't like a joke, don't interact with the comedian. It's that simple.
jail...for a joke? no matter how tactless it was or whether it was offensive or not, that is a dangerous precedent to set. Jailing for a joke is making its way to infringing our rights.
Honestly that is not only a dangerous but a very scary precedent to set. Freedom of speech helps us protect all the other rights we have. What do we have if not that?
CarlaWTF several European countries have vague hate speech laws like that that they can use to throw anyone a court deems "hateful" in prison. There isn't freedom of speech.
CarlaWTF he could actually say that on tc or in a bar it's the fact he used the Internet that makes it illegal, it's rediculous
Europeans aren't free lol
CarlaWTF Precedent. Also. Canada is going a similar direction.
savage1267 Germany does have a lot of power in Europe.
it's sad the direction Europe has been going in 😔
and thanks for the typo catch XD
If the King of Thailand is embarrassed by pictures of him in a crop top, why did he go out in public in a crop top?
Osiris Malkovich thank you!
EXACTLY!!!!
Osiris Malkovich probably it's because he doesn't give a fuck, but the government does
Because he's the King of Thailand, and he can do whatever the fuck he wants, and put people in jail if they don't like it.
Because it's against the law to make fun of him in his country. What human being, if given complete immunity from any negative repercussions, won't immediately abuse that immunity?
Idgaf if you find a joke tasteless. You know what's more tasteless? Sending a man to jail for making a joke. It shows an astonishing level arrogance that you feel entitled to locking someone away from his friends, family, and livelihood because he uttered a few phrases you didn't like.
Your priorities are way out of whack if you put the supposed sentiments of a group over someone's rights.
AmishSaiyan dude if u live in a country that ban hate speech would u do it? Just don't do it for your own sake. What's more he even puts it online..... He is even more stupid than i thought.
+off-kilter People have a right to be hateful so long as they aren't violent. I hate a shitton of people in my life, doesn't even mean I'm going to even be rude to them if I see them on the street. Hate speech laws aren't just speech laws, they're thought laws.
But that's not even relevant to this case. Nothing he said could be interpreted as hateful. At worse you could say he was tone deaf, but that would be you going out of your way to do so.
AmishSaiyan well todayI called a Mexican guy in my class a taco man, realized what I said and quickly apologized. He said it was fine and didn't seem that bothered by it. But my teacher heard it and sent me to the office, and apparently what I did was a hate crime and that i might be expelled. This stuff still happens and I don't know what to do about it.
I think a man who doesn't think to go to jail is incredibly amusing.
His jokes were tasteless...really? Ahahaha! That's putting it lightly.
What's tasteless is your mama's.....
off-kilter Im totally fine if people find a joke tasteless and show there distaste for said joke. This is a different situation, a person is being jailed for flexing his freedom of speech. Its not a matter if "Its illegal, your fault for doing dumb shit" more of "Hey stop prosecuting people for making a fucking joke" kind of deal.
How can the U.S. gov`t let this happen to its own citizens ? Why is this tolerated ?
Mazhar Celaleddin Keskinocak Counselor immunity. They can be kicked out of the country, but not prosecuted without the express permission of the Turkish government..........as likely as Turkey getting an Armenian President.
Diplomatic immunity. Also, they were a threat to the Turkish president obviously.
Found the Erdogan supporter
they were waving PKK flags which is recognised as turkey as a terrorist group. not justifying but what would donnie do if there were turkish protesters around his limo waving the isis flag.
btw im turkish and VERY anti erdogan, but people are using this to smear turkey in general.
That Scottish guy shouldn't face a 1 year sentence for making grade 9 holocaust jokes. If every person ever was jailed for a year for making a holocaust joke most of high school would be taught in jail.
Jack Yeager lmao tru af
Oh god I'd have a life sentence.
dude this is ridiculous. He shouldn't go to jail over something like this. People should go to jail for beating other people up or actual harassment. for little jokes like this that were never meant to be taken seriously and that was meant as a joke that were never to be taken in the context people just assume are the case without understanding what kind of person they really are. Whether they are bad people or not.
so I agree
Jack Yeager I'm actually a bit torn on this one. I mean, even though he obviously meant it as a joke, he is quite literally brainwashing a creature into responding to Nazi propaganda. For this all to work, he must have conditioned the dog for at least a few months. I think that is definitely a grade 9 Nazi joke gone too far for me. I'm also not sure if jail time is the right thing to punish him with, but I wouldn't be too quick to say ,,ahh, it's just a joke" on this one, because for me, it is a joke that's gone on too far.
So people think that saying Nazis are "not cute" is antisemitic? Geez, I sure wonder who are the Nazis who called him out...
I'm a modern orthodox religious Jew. I reviewed a few of the main Nazi videos from his channel. He's not an anti-semite. To me it's the same as a world renowned comedian making Nazi jokes or any jokes regarding ethnicity, religion, racism etc...
Ike Bodner have to agree with you here, it wasn't really funny content, but I don't think it was offensive either, just kind of poor :)
I thought it was funny as a jew myself, the guy had no intent to offended any jewish people and only wanted to mess with his girlfriend.
I have no issue with it but I find it way too extreme for him potentially going to jail for it.
I didn't find it funny but didn't find it anti semitic in any way or hate filled. Just a weird or unthought out joke
Isn't that how essentially Mel Brooks made his entire career?
Ike Bodner kudos to you! :)
I just returned from Istanbul last night and the attack wasn't covered at all in their media there.
The Scottish dude is being shafted badly. He was clearly satirising Nazis. Sure, some jokes can feel like they go too far, but if we can't joke about the darkest times of human history, how are we supposed to have a hope of objectively deconstructing those events to pull lessons for future generations?
Jimmy eatsom Oh my god. So much yes. My exact thoughts on this. This is like my life philosophy. When we talked about the Holocaust in school, I always made tounge-in-cheek jokes because I was nervous and needed humor to make it easier to swallow and fully understand. Thank you for saying this.
Jimmy eatsom I dont care about making nazi jokes,but the fact that he made his dog do that makes me think he deserves some time....just not 1 year
Jimmy eatsom +
Lol what? Why? Afraid the dog might spread Nazism to other dogs and raise an army or something?
The thing is tho, don't you have the right to free speech?
Not that I in any way support anti-semitism, but at the end of the day, religion is a belief, it's something people choose to believe in, it's not like skin colour, place of birth, or how you were born, to me it's stupid that we still classify religion, something you choose, along with sexuality, gender, skin colour, which are things you're born as, and as such, didn't choose.
This part not directed at you dear reader, just at a figment of my imagination who'll try to argue you can't talk shit because it's wrong.
I mean, honestly, if you wanna believe in fairy tales, go ahead, but don't tell me I can't say whatever the fuck I want, when you're the one saying some entity created us, or that we'll go to hell bla bla bla.
And I wouldn't know the difference between these fairytales, I never cared.
I have jewish heritage, my great grandfather was even killed during the holocaust. that guy wasn't offensive. He was clearly doing it ironically. its bold humour not racism.
What does atheism have to do with nazis? I'm confused with why you include "Nazi sympathizer" and "atheist" as if they're one in the same.
Primarch Vulkan what the fuck does being Atheist have to do with anything like fuck off. Just cuz people don't follow fairy tales it doesn't have to do with anything.
Primarch Vulkan does he matter what he believes tho? Like it doesn't have to do with anything.
Sadly, people don't know what a joke is anymore. I'm so sick of people calling out other people for shit like this. It's a damn joke, get over it. The way this whole movement of people telling other people that "this is wrong and thou shall be punished for it" is freakishly heading towards a similar outline to the universe of '1984'! People really just need to fucking calm down and stop being so fucking serious about everything. Comedians warn other comedians not to perform at schools and universities because the tight-arse people at them get so damn up-tight about a joke about race. It's a joke; it's okay to laugh at it, there's nothing wrong with a sense of humour, even if it may be a darker sense of humour than what you prefer, it's still just humour, nothing more.
Well, thats fine, I'm not too familiar with Soros, so I didn't get that it was just to point out he wasn't actually a jewish anti semite, which would be strange. xD
As a person who was raised Jewish, and who's family was a part of the holocaust, I say that this is not offensive. This is a joke, and a pretty funny one at that. Making things like this out to be racist normalizes real racism, and devalues how horrendous racism can actually be.
You should be at the top.
Is the J in your name suppose to stand for Joseph? As in Joseph Mengele?
And then you chose "J. Mengele" as username????? Hahahaha! Trolly either way.
maybe you should tell your family then that they need to stop being such fascists, as they're the ones behind this
If I was the judge I'd just say "This is clearly a joke and not actual racism." and let that be the end of it.
Turkey is going down hill so fast. Went to school with Turkish people and had no qualms with them or their country back then.
JZ turkey is being portrayed as going downhill. but its not.
Uplock Çoban A man who locked someone up who made a meme of him is runing the country.
"To say words that they use" well RIP German.
But no seriously as a Jewish man that over half of his heritage was erased by the Nazis I do not find him offensive.
I personally believe that a man that can't joke about himself hasn't accepted who he is, same thing with religion and events, the Holocaust happened, it was horrible and never should happen again, but unless he is sincere with his words, a man saying "gas ze Jews" makes more fun on Nazis than it does Jews. I feel ashamed that this man is being prosecuted for a *HARMLESS JOKE*. But yeah, that situation is BS and I hope that even if he does lose than it is just community service, sure there are limits to humor but dark/bold humor is not a crime.
I've read through the comments and all I see are random people claiming to be Jewish who probably have very little connection with those events yet they are finding it offensive and playing the victim. Wish more people were like
you and not trying to turn the world into a place where you must never offend anyone, or else!
They're literally doing the opposite bud.
They're Jews who are saying this situation is stupid and homeboy obviously isn't an anti-Semite.
It's I conceivable how you came to the conclusion you did.
Serving jail time for a joke?!? Holy shit, that is scary. What the fuck has this world come to...?
Blame authoritarian religious controlled countries.
Firelord Azula Get charged for making public fear via mom jokes.
Wasn't it worse to joke in the past?
welcome to scotland
Scotland is extremely left wing socially, we are nearly as bad as the Scandinavians for letting the SJW movement to entirely take over our politics. It is good in the way that people don't care at all about gender or sexual preferences (our first minister is a women, the leader of our conservative party is a female lesbian) but it means nowadays the extremist left views get listened to far more than they should be.
Sure the joke was distasteful and far from funny. But do I believe he should be sent to jail? No. What an absurd idea. Being arrested for saying anti-semitic phrases to a dog? Do we not have more dangerous individuals to put in jail?
Idk, I found it kind of funny. I get your point though. On a side note I accidentally clicked off onto your channel and I love the content. Keep it up you should have more subscribers :)
I know when I was a university student I made a lot of distasteful jokes and drew swatiska on someones face when we were drinking and we thought it was hilarious and that was with Jewish friends as well looking back on it its kind of cringeworthy but it was not in anyway antisematic or hate speech it was just a bad joke and I can almost guarantee that there are more students continuing the tradition of bad kind of offensive jokes doesnt mean they deserve to go to prison for it
Ummm... for the record, teaching a dog to be a furry little Nazi is fucking hilarious. Distasteful? Absolutely!!! Thats why its so god damn funny.
I couldn't stop laughing when I saw it.
I watched it multiple times.
60 Second Success His joke was hilarious
the Kurds have been going through this for decades, absolutely disgusting and inhumane, thank you for covering this issue!
My politics teacher used to say: we joke about horrible things because there is no other way of dealing with them without loosing your mind
I almost feel bad for the people who can't take a joke.
I imagine they said: "..losing your mind"
why I joke about suicide
Though that's right, a lot of people use that as an excuse to simply upset other people. People that see some horrible event and then go to post things about the people that died on their relatives facebook page or online forums where they know it will be read a lot is pretty disgusting human beings. Just joking bro isn't a very good excuse there.
I'm Scottish and I think this charge is ridiculous, what can I do to help?
Sazie 139 Break him outta jail.
I'm going to write to my MP. I suggest you do the same.
Gather a couple thousand people and go kill your government :)
You could make everyone a Nazi
Find a jew that is scottish to speak for count dankula as a character witness
The fact that Americans were assaulted for protesting on their own land, and nothing is done in response to the attackers, is weak. Even a denouncement of the security guard's actions would be better than nothing if diplomatic immunity prevents direct action. But Trump has aligned himself with Erdogan, and everyone else is too spineless to stand up for your citizens.
EDIT: I don't think there has yet been time for a proper response that stands up for the assaulted. I hope there will be one. John McCain (you know, the ex-serviceman US senator Trump doesn't like for being captured while fighting for your country) has spoken against it.
Unfortunately, they get diplomatic immunity. They should be punished, but if they were without immunity, we might end up at war in a heartbeat. All ambassadors and foreign dignitaries are given this. Sux but true.
I personally am Jewish. My grandfather is a Holocaust survivor in fact, but I don't think that man deserves legal punishment. The joke was in bad taste, but we have to look at intent. It does not seem that this man was actively trying to harm anyone
Brien Campbell
The way I see it the joke was even meant to demean Nazis, not Jews. He even said in the start of the video that since his girlfriend always talked about how cute their dog is, he'd try to turn it into the least cute/most disgusting thing he could think of, an nazi.
I'd say that this is more anti-nazi rather than anti-Semitic.
Brien Campbell not only that but the joke only works if you think Nazis are bad
Not having freedom of speech/expression is the only crime being committed here...
i am jewish and i think the same
this guy is more racist then the guy in the video
I really disprove in the idea of throwing somebody in prison for making Nazi jokes. We're talking about jokes, not threats. Especially when people making Nazi jokes is one of the things actually Nazis hate. They hate the idea of getting made fun of, and taking the thought of gasing the Jews lightly. Thinking they're the all mighty, and making them sound like harmless idiots. When I watched his video of show casing what he taught his girlfriend dog was utterly one of the funniest things when it came to shock value. I never thought he, nor the dog would harm anybody, especially a Jewish person. People just need to see jokes, as jokes.
I absolutely agree
Hatora Abe But to what extent, i get that it's a joke I'm not disagreeing here but you truly never know the true meaning behind someone's words and I'm honestly tired of people being allowed to make risky or racial comments and hide behind the "comedy" wall. I mean sure, most likely that this guy ment no harm but the joke excuse has to have a line no?
Jason Salazar no, there's no line on jokes. Start making lines on jokes and soon enough nobody will be able to speak truth to power
"We're talking about jokes, not threats." "People just need to see jokes, as jokes"
This. Well said lol this is literally 2017. Yay.....
Hatora Abe I agree and I also think it is absolutely ok for people to be offended based on what they know/ have been through. As a stepson to a proud jewish man and a celebrator of jewish culture I find it funny with caution. I am fully understanding of their outrage but that needs to be where it stops. This man should have his freedom to joke about whatever he pleases just as these people have the right to not like it.
Mad respect for speaking so unashamedly against the actions of foreign agents beating American citizens for exercising their right or expression!
I really don't think he should even be going to court. Seriously, there was no hate speech just a few nazi and Hitler references... what happened to freedom of speech?! Clearly the guy isn't racist, the world seems to have lost its common sense in recent years.
360flipmaster I thought it was pretty funny. but then again I have a fucked up sense of humor
360flipmaster
doesnt matter, its freedom of speech
There is no given freedom of speech in his country
360flipmaster I think it's fair to say it was probably a mistake making the video, but should he go to court and potentially jail over it? Absolutely fucking not.
360flipmaster Is freedom speech a thing in Scotland?
If it's *purely* comedic, I don't care. if the humor itself didn't hurt anybody, let it be. I myself like offensive humor, so my opinion may be swayed. I take the humor as a way of coping with the events.
this is the response to the Nazi humor topic
Interesting, you said "if the humor itself didn't hurt anybody, let it be". Just out of curiosity, what's an example of humor that does hurt people then?
I like offensive or dark humor sometimes but I being Jewish myself and my great grandparents being involved in the holocaust and other close people who had family members murdered by nazis, I don't really like when someone jokes or takes the holocaust or nazism lightly, even if I wasn't Jewish I would't think it is funny.
BlitzFyre using humor to cope with events too much or depending on the scale or tragedy can be unhealthy tbh.
Comedy is relative to the observer. In my opinion, comedy should absolutely no limit. If something is funny then EVERYTHING is funny, or nothing is funny. You can't set a limit. But like my first sentence, it's relative. To you, this particular video is not funny, however, to others it could be. If someone can be jailed for this, you might as well arrest every Trey Parker & Matt Stone, every comedian, hell every person.
You know who else didn't like people making jokes about Nazis? The Nazis.
Xortan187 Hydra is not Nazi *Facepalm*
Ahmad Hayat Red Skull leads Hydra, Red Skull is a Nazi, therefore, Hydra is Nazi.
Malakath the Red Nice syllogism, bro
Xortan187 Ref Skull is Nazi but he has nothing to do with the Nazi Party, he only joined them for his own goals. Hydra has been around since ancient Egypt.
Ahmad Hayat i would also like to add, in the show Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, it is stated that Hydra is a Nazi organization, still practices Anti-Semitism. In the current Marvel Canon, Hydra is Nazi.
Raindrop, drop-top, I saw the Thai King in a crop top. Is it bad if I thought he was kinda hot-hot-hot?
I'm not Jewish but I have Jewish heritage (my grandfather) and although I can see how these jokes could be seen as tactless I personally see them for what they were meant to be, jokes. He isn't making fun of the holocaust or Jewish people, he's making fun of Nazis. I see no issues with his jokes and don't find them offensive and certainly not prosecutable. it's a crazy world we live in.
I think that this whole situation is being blown way out of proportion. This guy specifically said that he was trying to make the dog into the "least cute" thing that he could. He was saying that being anti-semitic is horrible, not promoting it.
But as we all know, critical thinking skills are rarer than diamonds, these days...
WirlWind so true
off-kilter, so you think he deserves jail time? really?
Kiyan Downing a lot of dumbasses say stupid things to try and get others into trouble, once that happens they try to beat them so they feel good about themselves. All they are doing is going against everything they stand for.
You can say anything you want as long as I don't hear it, you don't actually say it and you don't actually think it. That's average American logic.
Kiyan Downing Yeah, yeah! Let's go have this guy charged for making an edgy, joke! It's not like that's going to backfire and create far more antisemitism then his video could ever have possibly hoped to create!
I am a religious jew and while I think the video was in poor taste, he should NOT be jailed or getting this type of backlash. If someone else thinks it is funny, great for them, for me I don't really care for it. But he FAILED, as that dog is still adorable.
Eliana Peretz I identify as a Jewish man, I do not find this offensive
Have some juice guys.
CDAI 22 SHOTZ I wouldn't go as far to say as offensive but I don't personally like this type of humor. If you do, great for you
Eliana Peretz I'm not a Jew, I was joking LOOl. But on a serious note, I would get why people would find this funny, and I would also understand why people would find this offensive... but context matters, he has openly bashed nazism.
Big think jail time is a bit harsh I think there are two options:
1. A slap on the wrist and a warning
2. Israeli special forces and or secret police have a chat.
honestly, it is amazing that US citizens could be attacked, filmed and left in pain with no one in the main stream speaking about it. I'm actually going to ask my mother if she knows about it, she's retired and watches the news ALL day. I'd like to see how far it's reached
The first case seems to be about the Scottish Council of Jewish Communities/Scottish Police caring more about sending a message than about doing that which is morally right. To send a man to jail/gaol (Scottish) when he had no harmful intentions, had no victim and caused no harm is just malicious and venomous.
Will sending Marcus to jail/gaol make Scotland a better place (temporarily or otherwise)? No.
Will sending Marcus to jail/gaol make Marcus a better person? No.
There is no reason for Marcus to spend time in prison.
blindlobster hahhahhahahhahah are you kidding me we don't say or write gaol pmsl what year are you from
Yeah never seen the word "gaol" used, we just say jail 😂
@love lea I left the Northern Hemisphere about 20 years ago (as a toddler) so I'm not familiar with "recent" changes of language in Scotland. I knew that "gaol" was a dying word (in Scotland) hence "jail" featuring first, I didn't know that the word was completely dead. No loss, I prefer jail anyway.... As long as the "r" continues to be before the "e" in words like "centre," (in Britain) I'll have no linguistic complaints.
As a petty, useless sidenote (from myself), "jail" and "gaol" are pronounced exactly the same so technically people can unintentionally say the dead word.
If corporate media won't cover the injured Americans , online media will
Ok so I'm Jewish been so my whole life keep kosher the whole thing. My grandparents went through the holocaust. And to see someone be put in jail because someone was making fun of the people who perpetrated that evil is stupid. The fact we can joke about it means that we have conquered it more or less and that we're not scared of them. It's kinda a symbol of power in away. (Crossing fingered for that Friday show)
Glad you could see it that way, hopefully the judges will too and let this man live abnormal life again
Protesters should have been open carrying.... Would have ended that brawl quickly.
I'm a Jew, from Israel actually, and this was clearly a joke.
and even if we can debate on whether he shouldhave told it (my opinion:we shouldn't police speech almost never) he for sure shouldn't serve time for it!!!
its like the people who say they are 1/16th indian and talk about how offended they get
AtomicmonkeyTCG Ya, go to Israel and 1/5 of the population doesn't even work because "of their religion". There's crazy people everywhere and I would almost certainly say the worst are in Israel though. Getting mad is a bit different than firebombing peoples houses, but again generalizations are awesome aren't they.
I very much agree.
Did he hurt anyone? No. Did he mean to hurt anyone? No. Did he physically harm somebody? NO! Also, keep in mind we're talking about jokes, not threats. You shouldn't be able to sue someone based on what they said or you being offended about something. That's basically suing based on opinion, and opinion is not allowed in court(hearsay) People need to chill.
What do you think?
Pyrotron I still think he can be accused of being anti-Semite because he TAUGHT A DOG HOW TO BE A NAZI... like even if it was just a prank or a joke he's a douchebag and should atleast be punished... jail time and sueing though are definitely too extreme
Europe is full of communists so "hate speech" is illegal in the UK as it turns out.
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Your right. it wasn't right for him to do that, but IMO he should not be punished until he takes physical action.
Context matters. No rational person can believe or argue that the Scottish RUclipsr meant to make any serious political statement with that dog, with that JOKE. This attempt at prosecution for a thought crime is absurd.
That's racist.
I especially like the look on the bodyguard's face when the cop started thumping him with the nightstick. Bet that's never happened to him back in Turkey.
Freedom of speech should be applied to everything, not handpicked as you see fit. In my opinion, offensive speech should not be criminalized (except for death threats, but those fall in a category of their own obviously). I will always go by a simple rule - offense is taken, not given; and to me at least it's obvious that a lot of people in this age feel the complete opposite.
gat I agree but he isn't in America. Different country, different rules.
gat you're so right
Thank god we have that in America right now. But sadly people are still trying to pass laws banning "Hate speech". The thing about ban "Hate speech" is that who decides if it is hate speech or not. For example if you are against illegal immigration, some people will say that is "racist" and claim you are using hate speech, even though illegal immigration isn't just one race.
Mayla Roll Exactly. Even if we find it ridiculous that someone would be jailed for making rude and offensive comments, the rest of the worlds sees that as a perfectly normal consequence.
I'd just like to point out that freedom of speech is actually defined as one having the right to critique/joke about the government without facing any legal ramifications. It does not cover things like hate speech or (as you pointed out) threats of violence etc.
Teaching a pug the Nazi salute? I'm actually kind of impressed. Both of my dogs are too stupid to understand how to sit properly.
Mine were never too stupid just too damn stubborn lol.
Bob Bobson
There are no stupid dogs. Just stupid owners.
Bullshit. There's plenty of both.
Comedy has no "line" to cross. Nothing is off limits and it's supposed to be that way.
I'd rather it be illegal to be offended than to have to go to court for joking.
Ty G I agree so much. If comedy did have a line it wouldn't be funny so it wouldn't be comedy so comedy wouldn't exist .-.
How many Asian ladyboys does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Though i agree that this guys situation is fucking stupid. Saying things like "Comedy has no "line" to cross." May as well say "speech has no lines to cross" because anyone can say they are saying something in the name of comedy there is no comedian license where you have to go and make some people laugh so they now deem you to be unable to be offensive.
We have let ourselves get to a time in the world where Phil himself wants to have a conversation with a bunch of people who foam at the mouth over a "problematic" t shirt. This fucking lunacy should have been stamped out years ago but it was not and now we have to deal with it. Unfortuanty Markus will be dealing with it first hand.
That is an awesome idea. Anyone who accuses another of being offensive should go to jail.
Maybe crybabies would finally go die out of the population. Beautiful world to live in...
wow those guys kicking the head of a senior citizen lying in the floor. It made me feel so low and sad
It was obviously satire, and I, as someone who has family that suffered from and even died in the Holocaust, didn't find this one bit offensive.
FrenZ True at least you understand
I'm not connected to the Holocaust but seriously, it's fucking ridiculous he's in trouble for this. What about comedians making racist, homophobic, anti-semitic jokes, should they be considered criminals? It's obviously satire and I'm so pissed it's gotten as far as the courts, he even says in the freaking video that Nazis are the worst of the human race.
To me as long as it's under the umbrella of satire all should be allowed. Honestly, the last couple of months have been bad enough for the world, we need a bit of comedy to get us through :)
Posting pictures of the king in a crop top isn't even defamation because it's something that actually happened. If he's embarrassed maybe he shouldn't have done it?
The king is clearly not embarrassed. Hes walking around in a mall with his gf and meeting/saluting military. its the Thai government that has their crop tops in a bunch. The king couldnt care less what people think. He loves his crop tops.
Actually that's a really good point and makes the whole situation a little bit funnier
I was thinking the same thing. He looks like he's in public just hanging out, so... what's the problem?
Yea he's basically defaming himself at that point. So dumb that the feelings of one person can determine SEVERE legal action against another person.
The Spaniard You are missing my point above. Its not the King upset. Its the public that poke fun and think he looks funny for wearing crop tops etc and the government doesnt like people making fun of him. The Kings seems like a funny guy doing as he pleases, people are just haters. Not saying the government is right for censoring people but they need to get lives and let the King wear his glorious crop tops.
#FreeCountDankula
Un_Official I honestly find it hard to say he shouldnt be punished when he says "[Nazism and Anti Jew ideals] should not exist in todays society" when he uses that moments as "comedy"
AshTheFox KojiroTheWolf you're the reason that free speech is dying.
So jokes should be illegal?
Ctron Do tell me how so because I point out literally to his apology. He has the right to say things but it was offensive. He doesnt see it as offensive and says he isnt that type of person but makes remarks. its a bit like saying "im not racist to black people" and then saying "Jeez these black people need to be shot up because they are stupid black people" and still saying "Im not racist"
3rdworlds No but in reality you need to really watch what you say. It is a bit biased how you can pass around jokes and not get in trouble for it. Refer to my other comment
It's a JOOOOOKE!
He's not being antisemitic when he's saying "I wanted to turn the pug into the ugliest thing that I can think of." He's clearly not condoning Nazi ideology. The joke was in poor taste, but it was just that... a joke. Should people joke about it? I guess that's up to them. I don't think it's funny to joke about, but I don't think a lot of sensitive topics are funny when joked about. At the same time, people should be able to say what they want, within reason. Telling someone to kill themselves is obviously not okay, but sensitive topics can be joked about.
As for showing Nazi symbolism and all that, it's important. Nazis are a huge part of WORLD history, and censoring all of that wouldn't do anything except pretty much ensure that it happens again. The swastika is a religious symbol that the Nazis adopted it into their ideology. According to the US Holocaust museum it's still widely seen in countries where it's used as a religious symbol, having nothing to do with Nazi ideology. If you censor talking about the Nazis, then you're essentially preventing any further discussion about World War 2, and erasing it from history. History shouldn't be erased, it should be discussed and learned from.
I completely agree, it wasn't an anti-semetic joke it was just in bad taste. A joke in bad taste is usually defined as taking something extremely serious inappropriately lightly - thats exactly what he did. It's still bad, but the dudes nowhere near being a nazi
wizkid1594 he still shouldn't have done it in the first place and he deserves punishment, definitely not this extreme but atleast some kind, like just his name being out there with this story should be enough tho
i too like to make nazi jokes to get attention and views and turn that into money
That's the thing that blows my mind. Felix had the same reasoning. If we can't make fun of that horribleness what are we supposed to do? Pretend it never happened and just bury it away? Some people need humor to help with such horrific things. It's just insane when people can't get that and drive it to another thing completely different.
Perfectly summed up.
The Scottish guy has freedom of speech. Perhaps the joke wasn't in good taste, but it's obvious he wasn't supporting Nazi values or condoning Hitler's actions.
Nicholas Schoepfer i think scotland has limits on "free speech"
It seems that only the USA has true freedom of speech.
Rob Doe yes, because Scottland and America were the only 2 candidates for that description. Welp, now we know!
Yeah, the US might be a shitshow right now, but at least we don't get in legitimate legal trouble for making off colour jokes.
falsebuild I don't think you got my point. There are plenty of places in the world where there is freedom of speech. Just because an incidenct like this occured in Scottland doesn't mean the US is the only place in the world to have "true" freedom of speech.
Oh boy, this world...I tells ya
phil does not even show the real news that happening in the world. is way worse than what he shows on this channel.
I think its funny. A pug nazi, that makes me laugh. I don't think it makes him an anti-semite, I also don't think that one can diminish someones feelings to be offended - that is their right. But to take it past offense into actual offense against the law territory feels excessive and misguided as there are genuine examples of nazism and spreading neo-nazi ideals that require more anger. I dunno, all in all I just find it funny and can't preach ridiculous rhetoric like "Dont get offended check yourself" and just dismiss feelings, but my feeling is that I saw it and I thought it was funny and that was it. Love to hear some other thoughts though and am open to debate and change!
I'm Jewish. I showed this to my mom when it first came out and we both thought it was hilarious and adorable. Sure the Holocaust was horrible, but it still needs to be made fun of just like anything else that is horrible in order for people to heal from it. Majority of the Left now seems to have forgotten the humor heals all. Leaving or making something taboo only keeps the wound fresh and open. That being said, he failed in his mission to make that pug less cute.... Just sayin
Yeah. I agree. My family is Japanese-American and well - for those who didn't read the small paragraph in their history book in high school covering WWII - went through the Diet, Off-Brand, Concentration Camps during WWII. Only, you know, instead of killing the Japanese-Americans on American soil, they trusted the Germans should do it since they had more expertise on the art of genocide. Imagine how baffled America was when they got reports of over 200% casualty rate, and the Japanese-Americans still came home from a suicide mission as the most decorated unit... Oops....
Moral of the story. Frowning on and making something taboo only weakens people to take a role of being more helpless. The strong make it through rough times, share the story so it's not forgotten, and teach others to be strong as well (ideally). If you can't laugh about something, then you can't move on. You can even roll your eyes or shake your head, but it still proves you acknowledge the idea behind it and have healed. You hit it spot on, people are forgetting this.
Indeed. That pug was still adorable.
FDR is my favorite President and he was a great American leader, but yeah that whole Japanese internment stuff is a black stain on his legacy for sure.
In Washington state, where I'm from, we put our state fairgrounds on top of the site where we held Japanese internment camps:3 - pulls rug over dirt -
I don't mean to detract from the sacrifice of Japanese-American soldiers in WWII, but how can they have a
Disclaimer: Am Jewish
No one should be jailed for comedy. He didn't hurt anyone, nor did he have the intention of hurting anyone. Was it offensive? yes. Did I enjoy it? Not really. But I have made jokes before at the expense of others and I can't be one of these hypocrites saying that jail time is in order. This isn't school where this shit gets you in trouble, this is an adult making an adult decision and a joke affecting him for the rest of his life is fucking ridiculous.
Completely agree with you. Offence is taken, not given. Why should he be going to jail for some people getting their feelings hurt?
Even if he didn't make a joke.... I mean, jailing someone for being racist shouldn't be a real thing.
Thank you for talking about the Turkish embassy incident.
And thank you for your position on Erdogan lol.
the fuck dude?
s Zz an Erdogan supporter? Really? Thats disgusting.
I apologize that as an American with no Middle Eastern affiliations to speak of, who has closely followed the Syrian Civil War since its beginning, who has not been brainwashed into thinking that a particular group of people are evil or terrible, I happily support the Kurds in their long-overdue struggle for independence.
Even if I didn't support the Kurds, the Turkish government's policy towards Kurds and in general since Erdogan came to power is repulsive.
This is one of the many reasons why I watch your show. I had not heard a single thing about that last story until you and that should be HUGE across all networks. This is why we need you and why I support your future network. Please keep us all informed!
If Thailand's King doesn't want to be photographed looking like he rolled out of his trailer, stepped over empty beer cans and stumbled off to Burger King for breakfast, he should probably think twice about his choices outfit before stepping out the door.
Angela Lee I actually read on Reddit that he doesn't give a fuck and it's the government who's trying to "maintain an image", so he's basically doing what he wants and the government is like "damage control!"
As an actual Jew I guess my opinion holds more sway but to me it seemed like he was making fun of nazi's. You don't make your dog listen to hitter if you believe in it and in fact laughing and talking about it is a good way to end it.
eli goldman, I agree. I don't think the guy should be locked up.
What do you mean as an actual Jew your opinion holds more sway ?
Morbidcrab, it's political correctness. It's starting to run a muck again.
That would be because you have a sense of humor. Professional victims don't and that's basically who is going after this guy just because of a joke.
eli goldman I disagree that anyone 's opinion should hold more sway here. The fact that someone would serve jail time because another person might be offended by what they said is a crime against humanity and liberty period. The laws that would allow this would make Hitler proud
It's not anti Semitism it's internet culture and Dark Humor
This is outrageous
Decided to pledge my support on patreon. I've been watching this show for over 5 years now and am excited to see what else is to come.
so called 'hate speech' can only occur when a word, phrase or idea is given an incredible amount of power by the general public.
If part of the fight against racism and bigotry is to eliminate the power that words and phrases hold over peoples emotions, how in any way is it going to help "fight hate speech" to criminalise comedy (whether or not you like the humour) how will it 'help to fight bigotry' to simply give a bunch of sounds that are assembled in a sequence an actual life CRIMINAL connotation, this is the most disgusting use of anti free speech propaganda ive witnessed in recent times as a UK citizen, if he is criminally charged then the judge who passes the sentence should be ashamed of themself, he will lose all rights to work outsise of owning his own company, think about that, you personally could lose your rights for telling a joke, sickening.
That's the catch. When the definition of "hate speech" is not definite, anyone can make an argument for speech they don't like as being criminal. And that's grade A bullshit.
I'm sorry but I find the pug doing the nazi salute absolutely hilarious
I'll buy that shirt if you make it happen DiFranco guy
SilharaTheChosen I did too, and I'm sorta Jewish
SilharaTheChosen It relegates the command to a dog trick. If anything that's obviously anti-nazi.
Exactly my thoughts, why not belittle the nazis? Living in fear of them is exactly what they would want. The only way I could imagine seeing a nazi joke as racist is if it made fun of the victims or made small of the crimes that took place. But thats just my opinion
pugs are awesome
The bodyguards weren't arrested because they most likely have diplomatic immunity. It's my understanding that immunity is only relinquished if the country of origin gives their people up for questioning/arrest. Which doesn't appear to be a likely scenario in this situation. It's unfortunate that the host country can't prosecute a crime we know was committed.
Angela Kay Garvey I figured the president has diplomatic immunity but I didn't know if that extends to the bodyguards too or not.
I believe it extends to all members in an official's party (the official in this case being the President). This includes his secretary, his spouse, and his bodyguards.
Angela Kay Garvey it's not just unfortunate. It's kinda fucked up.
Angela Kay Garvey they might have diplomatic passport which pretty much puts them above the law
total immunity is bullshit
Remember children. This is why Merica is the greatest place on earth (as sad as that may be sometimes) because you can make a joke without serving jail time.
How is saying "Nazism is NOT cute" = Anti-Semitism
That makes no fcking sense.
Because logic and reason has been used to wipe the ass of the morons filing for the motion that he is Anti-Semite
You have to remember that being anti-Zionist gets you branded anti-Semite. Saying you support the end of the Palestinian occupation makes you an anti-Semite. Even saying the word "Nazi", even in historical context, gets you branded an anti-Semite. Mentioning any Jews who have done the wrong thing in history gets you branded an anti-Semite. Basically everything makes you an anti-Semite these days.
I'm jewish and this is bullshit. The guy make a joke/prank and people lose there minds. Tired of people getting outraged for me, it's a dangerous road to start throwing people in jail because the govt doesn't approve of what you say. Hope the guy gets off easy.
There's a great sense of irony in that Jewish organization refers to Jewish people as a race. When that very idea of being Jewish makes you a certain race was fabricated by the Nazis.
Also the best holocaust jokes I've heard came from my Jewish friends.
I thought that the joke wasn't funny and in poor taste, but it was still a joke. He didn't hurt any one, nor was he supporting those who hurt others. He shouldn't make jokes like that, but in the end punishing someone that severely over a joke is ridiculous.
If I saw someone doing that to their GF's dog, and the face and reaction of the cute dog being a little brainwashed nazi, I think I would die laughing. The sudden "What the--??" from the owner, looking at their precious baby heilin' and loving Jew jokes, it just seems like it would be a priceless reaction LMAO
True, Everyone whines about the 1930's and 200 years of black slavery but what about other countries like India who lost over 10million people over 700 years of enslaved by Mughal Emperors & British rulers, you don't see one person from India shouting or crying for it because they have forgiven but not forgotten. What about the Early era of Middle east when they enslaved 50,000 White people as slaves before Whites enslaved Africans. People take Jews and Blacks thing too overrated, seriously.
To me it never really matters if a joke is funny or not, I believe there should not be, and cannot be lines in comedy. Either everything is sacred or nothing is, and I prefer nothing to be. If someone is trying to make a joke, there is no line in my mind, and the fact that anyone could be imprisoned for one is absurd.
Austin Rosenbaum U should go to thailand and make a joke abt their royal family. I promise you will not be able to come back. pinky swear.
it is not all abt u. don't be selfish.
off-kilter I don't disagree that others may get offended by humor, but I just don't see the point.
fuck Thailand
I totally agree. As for the case of the King of Thailand, he looked so hilarious on that crop top and low-waist pants where his buttcrack is showing up. Now their demanding facebook to take the video out? lol their just putting themselves in more predicament situation.
I never get ads on this channel, but I got a five min one and watched the whole thing, much love to you Philip!
There is no line when it comes to comedy. Period. Anything and everything needs to be allowed to be joked about. As soon as we as a people start deciding what is off limits, everything will become off limits. Even jokes about Nazism and Anti-semitism are completely fine. Some might be in poor taste but no joke should ever make someone go to prison.
John Polk no one should be jailed but I feel sometimes people can cross the line. however that line is subjective so... but yea no one should be jailed that's stupid
John Polk i agree, let people decide whats funny by views and support
Anytime you add a persons perspective or opinion into deciding what is and isnt free speech, youve lost it all together. It needs to be completely subjective.
o0o Deagle o0o if it's completely subjective then why shouldn't someone have an opinion on what is and isn't free speech?
dont read my profile picture Dunce
I feel terrible for the Scottish man. They're trying to make an example of him. Sick. I also feel terrible for the world I'm raising my children in, wherein there is NO longer the ability to voice your opinion, good or bad.
primadayna they are making a martyr of him. like, hanging him on a cross. betraying him like the ... nevermind.
primadayna it's not even voicing your opinion it's making a joke
I feel like, if you are a Jew worried about a repeat of WW2, or even just sensibilities; that Scottish dude probably isn't high on the list of concern. The entire reason the video was created was because he wanted to comedically portray his dog in a negative light. *"In a negative light"* meaning he doesn't support Nazism. The entire premiss of his video is that Nazis are bad.
if you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it. yes, the joke was in very bad taste, but we can't just ignore that that type of mindset actually exists out in the world.