It is a privilege to see Dr. David Skaggs -- and hear his opinions -- in this piece. I took every class I could with him when I began my graduate work at Bowling Green State University (American Culture Studies) circa 1986. His passion for American History was contagious and inspired many of us!!!!
What I wouldn't give to hop into a time machine and go explore the past. Of course I'd stop by Woodstock in 1969, The Grassy Knoll in Dallas in 1963, but then I'd eventually make my way towards the early days of this country. I just imagine the giant trees, stunning scenery, fresh air, and people with more charm and character than we can even imagine today. Every book was precious, every article of clothing was hand made, and every meal you ate was well-earned. I imagine the peaceful dirt roads long before noisy gas engines would forever drown out the simple sounds of nature, daily tasks, and neighborly conversation.
Braddock E. Hutton What about visiting Waterloo , because we all know you won that for us English, ...no ! ...l had forgotten,..Mind you it's ONLY a matter of time when you start claiming that....you did it with ww1...from late Jun 1918 after only 6 months in action on the fronts were the Germans were utterly defeated and asset destroyed,...... Stolen Valor ,..now you know were that word originated from English Mik
I also drift away at times and imagine myself in the time period of the history I’m learning about. If only we could return for a short period of time, it would be so cool.
Just wanted to add something that wasn’t mentioned here. Tecumseh stopped the torture of the American POWs at the River Raisin by the Native Americans. American survivors praised Tecumseh for this in their personal letters they sent back home. Tecumseh then shamed the British officers for not being able to stop the massacre by their Native Allies.
The pipe tomahawk that Henry Proctor presented to Tecumseh as a gift actually still survives in a museum, and you can look it up. It's in amazing condition because it was only a short time later that Tecumseh was killed at the Battle of the Thames, so it didn't see much use at all. It's a beautiful weapon!
Being from northeast Ohio and spending most of my life on west basin at our cottage on Pelee island I have had many years to visit and explore the sites of the war of 1812. To visualize the historical important of my state in this conflict gives me a sense of pride knowing that so many historical people were standing on ground I stood on. And when I'm on the lake heading to Cedar Point. I pass through the very spot where the battle of Lake Erie took place. I look over to the monument for Commodore Perry and picture the smoke and cannons on a now, quiet and peaceful lake. Ohio is now a beautiful and peaceful place to live. But it's infancy was anything but. I do still feel remorse for the first Nations that called Ohio their home. To this day there's large regions of the state where they lived that are scarcely populated. In every account of the 1812 war we hear,. What if Brock,. But I ask, what if we, would have talked to Tecumsa and really listened The speculation is always twords the relationship with the British. But what if we would have chosen to share this land in peace? I think the outcome would have been completely different from what it is today. That's the interesting aspect of history. One subtle change can rewrite the future. Thanks for a fantastic video. Very well presented.
Tribes are different with language and customs so many tribes didn't get along we see them as the same people but their not that's why tribal wars is something people can't wrap their mind around it was political to gain more land and warriors but they would assimilate the opposing tribe into the dominant ones who won the battle the chief of the enemy tribe would be killed men indentured to servitude until they have assimilated and can be trusted but women and children assimilated immediately they'd marry the women and children adopted brought up to practice that culture customs..... That scot-Irish girl that was ambushed as revenge was assimilated but hee parents and older siblings who couldn't be trusted or assimilated were murdered the older children was killed because they've spent life as a European and couldn't be trusted and would be much harder to assimilate this is how many native American and African tribes operated they had no idea of the barbaric slavery white people practice and developed they just wanted to get rid of the enemy which they could gain protection for their tribe from slave traders so they opted to sell a useless prisoner of war this not for all majority fought off the slave raids its so much i can give on this subject
What surprised the Africans is how ruthless Europeans were they didn't think they kill off entire tribes cause Africans wouldn't wipe out a weaker tribe out they'd give them that mercy so Africans truly weren't prepared for the evil killing machine Europeans a few nations knew better to not underestimate the length an enemy would go to and some nations won and fought back and matched Europeans war tactics and that got them praise like in the hatian revolution Europeans said they've never seen black people fighting so ferociously
I remember this subject in both High School and College. I kept taking History as an elective and when reviewing my credits for my last semester and prepping for graduation, Dr Guy, my Advisor was like, "Well look at you, ya got enough History credits for a Minor!" We both lol, neither of us expecting that at all. Majors: Journalism, Sociology Minor: History Now, After it again, Ancient History - through Yale University. Exceptional Professor. Exceptional experience. Never stop Learning. I'm 58.
I loved this. It's my favorite war to talk about. So many cool stories and interesting people. My family's original homestead is on the banks of the Sandusky River right next to Wyandot county, which was the last Indian reservation in Ohio. I feel such a connection to these stories.
There was a dispute over who Tecumseh's mother was, and it has been said he was half white. I was looking up my ancestry and my 7x ggf had a daughter that was married to Pukeshinwa, Tecumseh's father. So if he was half white my ancestor is his mother, and if he's not half white, then she was his step mother. I had no idea ever until last year, and I'm 58, but according to all ancestry websites, Tecumseh has a tie my maternal grandfather, and I am proud of him.
Seldom acknowledged is that many of these significant American Indians were mixed blood, that they could communicate with both sides. Being American Indian was to have an American Indian mother.
V Yes. I think his mother was a native American, but there was also a question of which tribe. Muskogee or another,( I can't recall). I always realize that I am also related to both sides (via other relatives of my fathers side) that had been killing each other. I'm hard pressed to explain, much less know how that felt ,in real time while it was happening. Tecumseh's stepmother, my relative, only came to visit home once or twice and then went back to her Indian family. I wish things would have gone better back then, as most people did then, and still do. Thanks for listening. Happy trails.
Shanti Saks : Ancient-American History & Style I'm no troll, I don't make stuff up to make you angry. You made you angry. I looked up an ancestor of MINE on a website named Geni.com said her husband was Pukeshinwa and it listed their children and Tecumseh was one along the others. Alot of the other websites said the sane thing. I think she was his STEPmother, FYI !! I'm not the one who produced any of the statements made, as fact about Tecumseh's ancestry. I'm just speaking from things I've read.
Tecumseh was a great warrior, great mind and he has hearth for his people he stand for, fearless human being who give his life away in order to keep hope of freedom ...
Yeah I love learning about him! I live in a small town in Ontario Canada there's signs and stuff put up around here because Chief Tecumseh passed through here and also the underground railroad did to!
@Marrowbones The reason he leaned a bit more toward the cause of his own people and not a champion of white people was because the white people had a LOT more land everywhere else in America BUT where Tecumseh was. He was pissed they wanted his people's land also. He only fought for his own land, which of course made sense to him.
@Marrowbones How would you not believe his desire to fight the white people was not a result of the white people's manifest destiny creedos that took the native Americans' land. He didn't fight with other NAs, he united them.
General William T. Sherman's father admired Chief Tecumseh so much that he named his son after him. General Sherman's full name is -- William Tecumseh Sherman.
Yes as well as Further understanding of the times . The lesser magistrate doctrine & ORGANIC LAW 1) The “Declaration of Independence”; 2) The Article of Confederation; 3) The Northwest Ordinance; and, 4) The Constitution of the United States. The Organic Laws of the United States of America can be found in Volume One of the United States Code which contains the general and permanent laws of the United States. U.S. Code (2007)[1] defines the organic laws of the United States of America to include the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, and the Constitution of September 17, 1787.[
As a Brit who loves American history and has travelled widely in the US and Canada I find it fascinating how a nations historic myths develop over the years to become "fact". To Americans the war of 1812 wins the North West for the USA defeating the tyrannical Brits and their Native American Allies. To the Brits the war is a footnote to the Napoleonic Wars which really was a battle for survival against a real tyranny who wanted to conquer Europe. To the Canadians, the resistance by the very few British regulars, Canadians and Native Americans prevented the land hungry US from conquering what is now Canada and adding that vast territory to their own empire.
The revolutionaries broke the treaties that the Brits had made with the natives. Many natives moved into Canada after where the Brits granted them land.
It all revolves around Britain and the people that longed to be free from Britain and its dominance on the citizens freedoms.Especially religious freedoms.
To the Americans, it showed that the Native tribes couldn't be trusted & that living together wasn't going to happen. I certainly hope William Harrison is mentioned, he was vital in defeating Tecumseh. His respect for his opponents is why he survived, his men slept on their Rifles with fixed Bayonets. They were attacked @ 5am.(early on) We struggled as a nation. But we learn, then forget,relearn & repeat. American= 53%British 32%Scottish 12% Welsh 1% German 2%Basque. I am proud my Heritage is of the British Isles, when you think of the Amazing men with the Courage to sail off into the unknown and face it is why Western Civilization exists, when you look at a map, see the size of those Islands. its even more impressive.
I am sorry for the pain you endure. So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Chief Tecumseh
stand in awe of the burden and hardship that others carry or sit in judgment of how well that load is carried witch path brings you closer to spirit or family or anything good
@@andrewmoll7366 Sure... or Allah Or Buddha or any of the other 3000 gods humanity worship... Its still a good idea to lead a worthy life... If Your God offers you a Be a scum bag with out consequences card, probably a scum bag of a god...
@@gpwcowboy Correct... I just Copy/pasta the thing... There are questions as to him ever saying it as well... History often gets embellished but in this case I think it fits. Native Traditions often do so like the Blue glow reported from the edge of his sword... Family tradition. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Richardson_(author)
I know a guy who is a native American, his mother lives on the reservation. He lives near Gwinn, Michigan. The indians in USA were treated badly in the early part of the 18th century.
@@RichardDevereauxEarlofEssex Alright dude, good to know. Funny you should mention that because every time I get a notification, I immediately comment and sometimes I can top spots.
The deadly embrace of European technology and the trading posts by Indian tribes is rarely talked about. Indians would compete for trading posts because a tribe that had access to tomahawks and guns had an advantage over tribes using traditional tools and weapons. The British were favored over the French often because the British tomahawks also had a pipe bowl so Indians could use it as a calumet, or ceremonial pipe. Trading posts created a dependency relationship with the trader and the country behind it. Those tribes would come under the influence of that country. So, in the French & Indian War, both Britain and France got various Indian tribes to fight for them. The Pottawatomie of Chicago area fought for the French and defeated the Iroquois a number of times. The tragedy for the Indians was that change was coming too fast, and too profoundly for them to adapt. In reading history, there was honor and deceit on both sides. But, one thing was clear - the inexorable march of technology that changed the Europeans, and the nature of their engagement with the Indians. The old Indian cultures had no chance, just as the old Celtic and Germanic cultures of Europe had no chance.
At the of The War Of 1812, there were no winners However, there was a loser. One of he greatest shames,, and the greatest sorrows, of the history of the americas, so oft repeated, before, and since.
@Richard Dixon nope Only human empathy, morality and ethics. You, on the other hand, must be a highly vocal proponent of hitlers *"final solution"* A racist sociopath, so to speak.
@Richard Dixon so, for curiosity's sake, is it just Natives? Or *All* non- caucasians? Do you direct intolerance towards different religious beliefs too?
This comment is on the money. In North america it still goes on. ever since the first land developer got the first American (Native american) drunk and had him make his mark on some paper he did not understand.Unfortunately developers continue to rape the land for profit. Some places like California sadder than others that so much natural beauty is now cookie-cutter housing, highways, strip centers, fast-food restaurants, etc. No woder Europeans look down on us.
@Doug Bevins Not all Empires, We just changed ours to The Commonwealth, the Queen is still head of state of the Second Largest country in the world and an entire continent (Australasia) and 50 odd other countries and Dependencies around the world.
Coming from First Nation Native of Canada of Treaty 8 which were sign in 1899 and still standing, naw it’s America’s fault by lying in the first place. Guess the real bad guys were the blue coats not the red coats. Kinda hard looking at red coats as bad guys knowing Canada still has treaties with indigenous people of Canada, now can America say the same?!?
Blood and Soil. Let it go my friends. There is no point in it. It is like holding a burning ember in a closed fist. it will only ever hurt. Drop it and move on towards your end. Your end that will come. Do not be used once again by devils that only grope for more. And remember, Where ever you go, There you are ;)
I guess the World should have just accepted the Nazis or the Irish the English? Painful but progressive, right? If anyone deserves reparations it is the true Americans who took the land only from each other on occasion.
Amazing how Colonial America thought they were promised rights to expand into the NW Territory. I do believe there was something written into the Treaty of Ghant concerning the Sovereignty of the Native Americans, but they were excluded from the Treaty. William Harrison admired Tecumseh, but the emerging Colonial Nation of the USA desired the Territory regardless of the various Tribes. This War is very much overlooked and forgotten by many US Citizens. Although the British burned Washington, D.C., were very successful in the Central Atlantic States and dominated the High Sea, the Success of the US Naval Forces on the Great Lakes bordering Canada played a vital role in negotiations favoring the USA. Good documentary. Thank you. Watch & Enjoy.
@@JStryker7 And lost. The British lost a good deal of what could have been their territory, and their long held geopolitical aims of containing American expansion. That is what the Quebec Act of 1774 was all about to begin with.
Tecumseh was one of the greatest leaders and men of all time. Tecumseh challenged Harrison to a contest of champions between them but Harrison refused; Harrison could not have taken Tecumseh man to man.
@@JStryker7 you are high. If you loose most of the battles, you loose the war. You may gain after a treaty is signed but thats only because the winner allows you to gain.
@Jim Hope And were responsible for every massacre and atrocity committed there.Americans account of "Winning" every battle is to have the highest body count....not hard when your fighting guys in their pyjamas.
Can you imagine? Hand to hand combat between Tecumseh and Harrison. Winner take all the land west of the Allegany mountains. I'd roll everything on Tecumseh.
Tecumseh had it right. Imagine if Americans woke up tomorrow morning and realised that no government appointee or electorate past or present could negotiate or vote away, God given individual rights?
Very interesting, when I was younger, I loved to watch the old western movies with the indians and the americans, didn't realize that the indians were taken advantage of. I now see and understand what happened. Very sad how things ended for them. Those indians were courageous people . Hooray for them. Nassau in bahamas
Confederation meaning a diplomatic linking of tribes or peoples, granted they did fight wars but never took land mostly property and slaves mostly women. Your point has zero merit, the native americans didnt not have the same views of empire or land ownership that the europeans did. If you listened to the first 5 minutes of this video you would have heard his view on land ownership and sale
You cannot mention the victory at Fallen Timbers without mentioning Captain Richard " Shawtunte" Sparks, who was taken in Western PA in a Shawnee raid led by Pukshinwah, the war chief of the Shawnee, and the father of Tecumseh. Captain Sparks was raised from age 3 as a brother to Tecumseh, so he knew him well. Sparks was returned to the whites after the death of Pukshinwah at the battle of point pleasant in Lord Dunsmores war. He knew all of the Northwest Tribe's villages and trails. His scouting and knowledge was very significant in Gen Anthony Wayne's victory
The Prophet was just a figurehead for Tecumseh. Tecumseh was the one having the visions and instructing the Prophet what to do. The Prophet was a legend in his own mind. His not listening to his brother Tecumseh was why they lost.
The vast majority of British forces were in Canada. The invasion wasn't to conquer but to confront their opponent and to occupy territory that at a future date could be negotiated in a peace treaty
@ Invade and capture Canada to occupy territory that at a future date could be negotiated in a peace treaty, that's what countries do when they are at war. Most likely they wanted to free Canada from domination by the British with the goal of turning into states that would voluntarily join the US union or become an independent nation. Historians David and Jeanne Heidler argue that "most historians agree that the War of 1812 was not caused by expansionism but instead reflected a real concern of American patriots to defend United States' neutral rights from the overbearing tyranny of the British Navy. In addition, eliminating the British presence in Canada would best accomplish British support for Indian raids." So lighten up Francis. PS. Why would anyone want to capture and occupy Canada anyway except if you were at war. Frozen wasteland.
@@mikeaylward4521 Of course the majority of British forces on the planet at that time were engaged with the French, my reference is to British forces fighting against the US forces in North American
Read "The Frontiersman" by Allan W. Eckert! Great read. He also has a book on Tecumseh as well as many other areas and tribes! Great author and great history taken largely from the Draper Manuscripts!
Unfortunately, he was on the losing side. I wish it had been an inclusive culture, rather than a bunch of bigots, adding the amer-indians. What is done is done.
I love Native American ideals. The idea that this land belongs to its children, all of us. For Tecumseh to state that he can't sell what isn't his and that the land already belongs to both the red man and the white man. In return, respect the land mother nature has given us. Such beauty and respect. What an argument. "Why not sell the air, the sea, and the earth?" Only to be rebutted with, "If you natives were one of the Same children of mother earth, than you would all be of the same tribe speaking the same language." What tiny minded thinking. Being white myself, our past is embarrassing. Even some shit today is ridiculous (that goes for all races these days though. A lot of selfishness going around and true values of significant notoriety lost. Way too materialistic as well). I don't blame Tecumseh for denouncing and rejecting those bogus treaties of the past. It's already been proven that we are not true to our word. We could all learn a lot from our Native American brothers. They are truly in touch with nature and the balance of the universe and of life.
Guitar George Thank you for your comment! I’m glad to see that some still have the open mind to understand. There are higher laws and higher rights that are in the hearts of all man. We all have this understanding within us. Written law tried to break it, but it doesn’t hold weight against the higher law. All men have the right to life and all that Mother Earth provides, not to be owned, but to be borrowed during our lifetime.
GG: Another oft repeated myth. Tribes were absolutely brutal to each other for thousands of years before any white man showed up, taking land and slaves from each other on a regular basis.
We won the War of 1812 by surviving. We had many naval victories including on the Great Lakes and at Plattsburgh. Jackson stopped GB from taking New Orleans and taking our territory.
You lost the War of 1812 by not conquering British North America, the objective of declaring war on Britain while the Brits were busy with Napoleon. The Battle of New Orleans was meaningless, fought a month after the Treaty of Ghent was signed, ending the war.
The treaty had been completed but not ratified. If Jackson had lost New Orleans GB would not have approved the treaty they would have kept New Orleans.
A myth that has been passed on, and many people still believes. Tecumseh loved the Wabash and Tippecanoe river basin very much. As the myth goes, Tecumseh said a prayer to protect the area that he loved. Therefore no tornadoes will damage the Area. The city of Lafayette is in the Wabash river valley. The myth must be wrong because the city of Lafayette, Indiana has had a few Tornadoes. Luckily no real major damage or deaths occurred.
Though it resulted in a stalemate, the War of 1812 proved to be quite beneficial to the United State's nationalism and military might. Before the War of 1812, the United States was in no condition to wage a full fledged war; much less, land an invasion for a mass number of reasons. First of all, the United States suffered horrendous debt resulting from previous wars and restricted trade issues with France. This meant that the US military was drastically underfunded, badly lead, ill-equipped, and ill-trained. The US Navy was very low on ships and moral; most of America's war vessels were merchant vessels fitted with cannons and artillery, which paled in comparison to the military might of Great Britain's Royal Navy. Not to mention, the majority of America's public did not support the US military, and protested any such war with Great Britain, including America's invasion of Upper/Lower Canada. However, it was the US who first waged war on the British Empire. This declaration of war was influenced by prominent British transgressions against US trade with France, Impressment, and Native American induced proxy wars. Furthermore, The British Empire made several alliances to help aid their military offensives against the US in the War of 1812. The U S. found themselves fighting against - Spain, the United Kingdom, The Canadas, Tecumseh's Confederacy, Shawnee, Creek, Red Sticks, Ojibway, Chickamauga, Fox, Iroquois, Miami, Mingo, OttawaKickapoo, Delaware (Lenape), Mascouten, Potawatomi, Sauk, Wyandot ...etc. A long summary of the War of 1812: begins with US suppression of multiple Indian rebellions, until British and Native Americans join forces; resulting in multiple US defeats; including - US naval defeats, settlements massacred by Indians, American retreat from Upper Canada, then capture of Detroit Michigan(_early_ _1812_) In 1813, the US military sought it's opportunity to recapture Detroit; as well as destroying Canada's capital of York and torching much of Ontario(_Upper_ _Canada_) The US also managed to repress the Royal Navy until April 1814, As large numbers of British troops arrived, raiding Chesapeake Bay and eventually capturing Washington, D.C. ... After a severe Royal Navy defeat at Craney Island, On September 13(_A_ _major_ _turning_ _in_ _the_ _war_) Fort McHenry withstood 25 hours of bombardment by the British Navy, causing British forces to leave the Chesapeake Bay and focus on capturing New Orleans. Towards the end of the war, the US military had strengthened to a degree which shifted Britain's military offensive towards a downward spiral; eventually, causing them to call for the peace treaty at Ghent, in direct response to America's victory at Plattsburgh New York. After the war's end, the British Empire failed in it's attempts to capture Louisiana at the Battle of New Orleans. Finally, the US Navy dispatched Britain's Royal Navy from America's national waters. "it was the final action between British and American forces. The American gunnery was far more effective than the British, despite the two being virtually identical in strength. After exchanging both broadsides and musket fire, the British commander was killed and the British brig was too badly damaged to be salvaged and was set ablaze by the victors after the removal of its stores." The unprovoked American attack on East India Company ship, 'Nautilus' was the last military action of the War of 1812, and resulted in a final American Naval victory over the British Empire ...
Bill Cosby The Truth Is That The Evil Beings That Control This Country Used Sharia Law Against The Native American People. The Free Masons Worship The Daughters Of Alla. Muhammad Claimed Alla Is God And Has No Children. But Alla Is A So Called God Of The Moon The Sun Goddess The Moon Goddess And The Earth Goddess Are Alla's Daughters The Statue Of Liberty Is The Sun Goddess The Woman On The Top Of The Capital Is The Moon Goddess The Rotunda Or Panthion Hold The Earth Goddess. This Is New Rome All You Have To Do Is Open Your Eyes And Learn What The Symbols That They Use In All This Governments Monuments And Buildings Mean .The Founding Fathers Were Rich Greedy Mostly Slave Owning Masonic White Traitors To Their King And Country.The Eye On The Back Of The Dollar Bill Is The Earth Goddesses Eye. Ishtar And Kali Are Two Of Her Names The Whore Of Babelon Is Who The Bible Says She Is. Here's Another Clue Her Statue Shows Her Exposed Breasts. Who Is She???
You are going to have a lot of time while you spend the rest of your life in the slammer to watch You Tube. What the hell were you thinking Bill ? Really ! What the Hell !!
The most important lesson Britain learned was that the best way to defend Canada was to accommodate the United States. This was the principal rationale for Britain's long-term policy of rapprochement with the United States in the nineteenth century and explains why they were so often willing to sacrifice other imperial interests to keep the republic happy.
That's the thing as a Brit I don't get about this American history telling angle,Yanks don't suddenly become yanks and cast of family ties with britain or canada that easy,Americans still speak the same language have the same values, most of all the settlers are Brits,the guys who wrote the constitution were all a bunch of rich brits who didn't want to put any money towards the cost of the french and indian war and better understood the wealth to be got from seperating from the crown, this conflict is very british it's really like a civil war, we comeback in 1812 to see if you yanks had had a change of mind,we love ya so much we just wanted to make sure you hadn't traded one bunch of tyrants for another, think of the english war of the roses,it killed hundreds of thousands of englishmen fighting on either side but now we are all mates again .That's why we invented cricket ,ice hockey,rounders(base ball with shorter bats) rugby, see we don't see you as foreigners over here your still in our crew along with the aussies, canadians, scott's irish, new zealanders ,you just have a very distorted view of it all being on that big continent Ha Ha, Yanks! you gotta love em'
@@inazuma-750-w Let me help you with the mindset of an American back then towards Britain. It's true that many of the founding fathers were a bunch of rich guys who wanted to separative from Britain for their own interests financial as well as others but the fact was that the average colonist at that time had mix feelings about colonial rule. A good film that shows this is Last of the Mohicans. (The Patriot is a mess and exhibits more Mel Gibson's Ausie dislike of the British, though Banastre Tarleton was a fucking bastard) They didn't dislike British, they disliked the Crown and the British army. The Crown had open contempt toward the colonies, the British army (known to be so friendly with people like the Irish, right?) were belligerent and warlike toward colonists. Where to you think the word Yank comes from? It was a insult that the British army invented - a Yankee Doodle Dandy, in other words a fool who thinks he's well dressed. American embraced the word Yank and flipped the meaning. But as far as their feeling toward Britain the country, think of the relationship as one between parents and teenagers. As some point when you grow up you get sick and tried of being told what to do and you're like hey bugger the fuck off mom and dad please leave my apartment as I want to do my own thing. The American Revolution was also an American civil war with brothers fighting brother and this was exhibited as far more bloody and vicious as in the massacre of loyalists at Kings Mountain. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kings_Mountain As for the War of 1812, the British navy did force that war by taking sailors off US ships for impressment. By 1812 there were no Americans wanting the Brits back in the country. That ship had sailed by 1782. Yes you brushed us back at annexing Canada and you did burn the White House but you got a proper ass kicking in the battle of New Orleans. As for now.....well the UK isn't Britain no more than Russia is the USSR. We're simply cousins and rarely disagree. But I'm always reminded when this subject comes up of that scene in The The Great Escape when the American celebrate the 4th of July with homemade moonshine shared with their British co-capturers. Tipsy British officer James Donald: To the colonies American flyer Steve McQueen: (To) Independence Tipsy British officer James Donald: How are you managing over there without us? Getting along alright are you? American flyer Steve McQueen: We seem to be getting along alright....sir ruclips.net/video/MZsEl3QIs38/видео.html
@@robcochran6213 You conveniently forget that the Battle of New Orleans. happened after peace terms had been signed, and therefore had absolutely zero effect on the course or outcome of the war. Canada remained British and impressment of sailors stopped when Napoleon was defeated in 1814, and it was no longer needed.
@@adventussaxonum448 I never suggested otherwise, I only mentioned it as the Brits got their ass handed to them by Andy Jackson. Here's a little ditty to help you remember: ruclips.net/video/VL7XS_8qgXM/видео.html
Re: Tecumseh. Great Warrior? Not so much. At best his tactics were standard "Injun," and he actually only fought/commanded in three battles. One was a brilliant classical ambush (Brownstown), one he fought hard, but has his a## handed to him where he took perhaps 1/3 casualties despite at least matching, but probably outnumbering his opponent (Monguagon). His last being total and utter defeat. As for his "Confederation" it was mostly a loose conglomeration of co-belligerents. One of the myths is that it was Procter's retreat from Malden that broke the Confederation. Actually it fell apart before the Battle of Lake Erie, because of internal Indian unhappiness with Tecumseh's leadership. Fought for "his people?" Well Tecumseh's "people" were the Shawnee, and well, they did not hold to well to him, and the Shawnee almost to a man sided with the Americans. Neither was he the leader of the Shawnee...although he made that claim, and that was his desire...(he was actually from a "disinherited" clan whose leadership had passed to other clans after Fallen Timbers and the Treaty of Greenville). Although he did have a more modern view of the good treatment of prisoners (one of the major issues he had with more "traditional" Indians, especially the Pottawatomie), he had no problem and made liberal use of political assassinations for years before the war of any Indian chiefs who gainsaid him, or were "pro-American." Tecumseh was great in many ways, but he was no saint, and barely competent, but would as Richard Johnson would later remark, made a good politician (in Washington, or even London).
Some of the mutilated bodies we left behind were quite young but more often children were adopted in to the tribe to replenish our numbers we lost in battle. (Also fresh blood helped avoid inbreeding) They were all innocent in so far as they didn't have much choice but swear loyalty to British but with out the British recognition of our right to our lands their presence could only mean our doom. The Mi'kmaq where not a warrior culture but for our survival we could be brutal.
I have lived almost my entire life in the area covered in this documentary. Born in Fort Wayne Indiana , relation in Battleground Indiana where Prophets town was located then moved to Toledo Ohio nearby the Fallen Timbers battlefield where Tecunseh fought but was unsuccessful . Have many times visited Fort Meigs in Perrysburg Ohio which Tecumseh and the English besieged but could not conquer and the River Raisin Battleground near Frenchtown ( now Monroe Michigan interesting also as the birthplace of Mrs. George Armstrong Custer ) where the Indians and British slaughtered the wounded Americans . In the area now named Maumee Ohio where the British had a small fort Fort Miami and where prisoners of an aborted Kentucky volunteer attempt were held and slaughtered again by Indians . This area is very rich in American History yet very few people are even aware it exists .
My grandma and grandpa used own land right across the creek from the trail that goes to the battlefield and I used to live not far from prophets rock when I was kid miss that whole area and town
Tecumseh knew that all the Indians had to all be in agreement or what had happened in his childhood would happen again. The Shawnee land was given away by treaty by another group of Indians with a mark on a piece of paper. Never again could the Shawnee regain that land, or even set foot in it …which another tribe gave away without even asking!
@@SmewthePew I was referring to the 1970's when they rebuilt the fort into basically what it is today. Before that I think it was just a park with playground equipment and BBQ grills, if memory serves me.
A most interesting narrative would be the man-haul and manufacturer centers means of transport./labor and instruments of delivery all to have these events occur?
Brian Sheehan ...Interesting that was Sherman’s first name knowing who he was.... However also that Native Indians also fought for the Union during the civil war
Tecumseh was a *brilliant* war leader, though I hesitate to call him great. He recognized the threat of European expansion, but hamstrung himself by also breaking all other treaties between native nations. In his philosophy, he would make his people great again, but only *his* people. His nation. Anyone who wanted to join him under his terms and his rules was welcome, but were required to give up former allegiances in part or whole (It changed a bit over time, iirc). The feud between Tecumseh and his brother is actually a fascinating read, and hella informative. It points out ideas and philosophies that are typically overlooked in the European and US narratives.
They give Tecumseh too much credit. He thought he had the right to tell "lesser tribes" who they could make treaties, and land deals with. He was truly only concerned about his own tribe, and knew he could never face the Americans on his own. So under the guise of unity he encouraged other tribes to fight the Americans. Another thing they didn't get too much into is his brother. After his great defeat other tribes wanted to kill him because they saw him as a fake prophet. Tecumseh saved him from being killed, but at the cost of other tribes braking away. Tecumseh only really cared about his tribe.
@@jamesmcnally886 it's not really. Instead of unity, and coordinated cohesive action they were divided and conquered like all the others. Like I said he gets too much credit. He lead his nation to defeat in nearly all the same way all other tribes were conquered. By themselves.
The plain truth is Tecumseh was simply an all-around jerk. Nothing more. Nothing less. Hopefully, in the last few minutes before his death, he realized what a jerk he was. ;)
In now Hamilton Ontario are the remnants of the original 1813 Burlington Heights earthworks. There is a smaller Plaque: From here on 07 June, 1813, 700 Regular, Militia and Indigenous in the night attacked the 3,500 American troops in their night camp at Stoney Creek. After the rought the American Army were chased back to Niagara.
Fascinating and once again the losers were the native American peoples. British imperialism and American thirst for other people's land . What a waste of life. at least British had abolished the slave trade by this time , but took them unitl 1840 to bring this criminality to a final end. Little redress after such a disgusting criminal trade in human beings largely dominated by the British as a whole , and abbetted by so many prominent Scottish business people. Canada has come forth as a country of human rights and dignity , having refused to support the US/ British 2nd war in Iraq, that has made the middle east such a humanitarian distaster. The Canadians were first in for the fight against pan German military dictatorship in WW1 and the fight against Hitlerism in WW2. Respect for Canadians and native Americans from a bereft 60%+ EU remain London
Hi Perry White. When I downloaded the video to watch later the download did not record the subtitles. I am much happier now that the stupid subtitles are not covering things up. I have never seen such silly BIG subtitles used before.
Chief Tecumseh was correct they were willing to share the land but not to sell because the Natives at the time did not sell anything because everything was shared no one tribe owned any land.
Uh, no. The bought and sold (what was used as currency is another matter) goods just like anyone else, and had adapted pretty strongly to "White" trade goods. That was what the whole "Lets get back to nature" movement at the time was all about to begin with.
Sorry to hear of your troubles. The word Kentucky is an Iroquoian Indian word which means "meadow land." The original native people or the region were Cherokee, Chickasaw, Shawnee & Yuchi, whom were displaced by European colonist. Not sure who told you no tribe called it home but you might want to double check anything else they told you before assuming its fact. If you like I can recite in gory detail some of the more horrendous things my own tribe the Mi'kmaq did in times of war.
According to sources I have read,"KENTUCKY" belonged to no tribe,it was a hunting ground used by all neighbouring tribes.Sorry if this conflates with your view of the world..
@@tarasbulbas1340 Assuming your sources are correct which I ca NOT verify as you did not share them does not change the point i made. I think your understanding of what it means "to own" is somewhat flawed. If Multiple tribes used the area with none laying a formal claim that does not mean the land is free for Europeans to take... That would be like claiming land central park in NY & building a house there because it belongs to no one in particular... Taking a communal hunting ground & developing it to your cultures standards while ignoring the fact a preexisting agreement existed... Leaving Kentucky aside in the arctic the traditional Inuit yearly travel vast distances to take advantage of the seasonal migration of Whale, seal, Caribou & other animals... If we arbitrarily decide that even one part would be good for a strip mine that habitat is gone... as has happened in Labrador with Hydro projects being developed. No one deliberately killed off the Caribou that was dependent upon as they simply moved out as the water rose but it disrupted the migration of the animal that people who were not consulted were dependent upon... The Result was a drastic drop in Caribou populations that the Hydro damn builders tried to blame on Inuit "over hunting" Never mind the huge amount of habitat that is now gone... we need power & jobs, its easy enough to lie to ourselves about what has been done... So how honest are you being here?
@@Eddythebeast666 Calm down,I am just stating a fact.Kentucky was used as a shared hunting ground by all tribes.I am not saying it is ok to take ANY land.One of my resources to this fact is Daniel Boone,who claimed this,before he stole it.
@@tarasbulbas1340 I took exception to the claim, "it belonged to no tribe" when the same post acknowledges that it was used by multiple tribes... (Which I had actually listed in my OP.) Claiming it was a hunting ground used by many, then in the same statement claiming it belonged to none of them... That would be a contradiction... Which forced me to reply to point it out. Daniel Boone should have known better to make such a statement... and maybe he did..
without the conquistadors decimating native populations across the american plains, how different would history be? and the spanish were pure opportunists based on greed. later europeans were at least escaping their own tyranny and looking for a better life.
The Dutch were okay until the NAs disagreed with them and then the Dutch only penchant came out...greed for money and so they slaughtered NAs. Trump Dutch ...no?
I am Seneca Iroquois, we did NOT get to keep our land, my great grandparents with their parents were put on a reservation called the 6 nation's in upstate NY. My grandmothers family was bought by an English family and was made to be their farm hands. In Saratoga springs N.Y. A very rich family with the last name of whitford. Many stories of her childhood she shared with me. Sad as is was for her and her family when he died she was free and NOT broken in spirit!! I still miss her she died in 1981 at the great age of 103.
@@nauniwhitewave-runningmout4526 oh what I meant was that they still live in western New York, while every other Indian tribe from the east got shipped west
PERRY'S name is immortalized in Japanese history books as an captain of what we call "black ship" who came to persuade Japanese to open the ports for trade (Japan at the time isolated themselves from any contact with foreign countries except Dutch).Every Japanese national with average history knowledge do know his name.
I've seen documentaries etc. that make it sound like Americans "wouldn't take no for an answer".... which I can sure picture happening - and I'm American.
Are you trying to say natives were just as bad as whites because they were but not all. There were some much better than some whites. Especially since some tribes allowed blacks into their tribes. Some enslaved blacks but there's always bad people in a group of people. Even when so much of the white people during that time were pos there was still a few who thught slavery was bad. So you can't say all native americans but can only say some. By the way don't them Indians that's inacurate Indians come from India not America. Native Americans come from America.
@@elinikolai7493 Good and evil only exist int he eyes of the beholder. For example. Indians generally believed it was ok to kill a bloke if he insulted you, even in a dream, but were horrified by whites who executed convicts. That said that was not what Mr. Peppers was saying. He said that Indians warred among themselves prodigiously, which they did, and should not be held to any higher standard just because of political correctness. They were, and remain, just men after all, and, at that time, were a warrior society where men were not "real men" if they had not "proved themselves in the killing."
Canada still essentially won the war of 1812, United States lost. I agree if Brock had lived things would've been different. Don't forget the Queenston Heights memorial to Brock
Canada won, but if the US had lost, the Old Northwest would have become a British protectorate and would probably be either part of or associated with Canada today; and the westward expansion of the US would have been slowed if not stopped. What if the British had taken and kept New Orleans, thus taking control of the lower Mississippi? Would the British have let the US keep the Louisiana Purchase, and even if so, would it have been able to hold most of it? Regardless, the course of US history would have been changed drastically. That is assuming that the British didn't decide to demand the breakup of the US as punishment for starting the war (which we did, though there was certainly provocation on the British side). The only clear losers in this fight were the Indians, and for them, the outcome of the war was catastrophic.
@@johnries5593 You state provocation from Britain? I guess you mean the Impressment of sailors into the Royal Navy?..That will not hold water,the French the Spanish the Portuegese were also impressing sailors from the US.Your attack on Canada is based on a lie using impressment as an excuse.Why didnt your congress also go to war on the other countries,why just Britain?Because you Anglophile haters wanted us out of N.America..no other reason.
Are you an expert in history that has actual proof of your claims of "BS" or are you just a lousy product of a shoddy public education system that just assumes things without any ability to back it up?
@@Bonzi_Buddy Hey Einstein, it doesn't take an expert in history to realize that they are telling the side that makes Harrison look like less of an asshole than he was.
@@deerobinson557 they said he decided to attack and burn the town, where are they trying to not make him look like an asshole? The natives had scouts that probably spotted the large army who couldn't move stealthily like the natives.
It is a privilege to see Dr. David Skaggs -- and hear his opinions -- in this piece. I took every class I could with him when I began my graduate work at Bowling Green State University (American Culture Studies) circa 1986. His passion for American History was contagious and inspired many of us!!!!
What I wouldn't give to hop into a time machine and go explore the past.
Of course I'd stop by Woodstock in 1969, The Grassy Knoll in Dallas in 1963, but then I'd eventually make my way towards the early days of this country.
I just imagine the giant trees, stunning scenery, fresh air, and people with more charm and character than we can even imagine today.
Every book was precious, every article of clothing was hand made, and every meal you ate was well-earned.
I imagine the peaceful dirt roads long before noisy gas engines would forever drown out the simple sounds of nature, daily tasks, and neighborly conversation.
Braddock E. Hutton
What about visiting Waterloo , because we all know you won that for us English, ...no ! ...l had forgotten,..Mind you it's ONLY a matter of time when you start claiming that....you did it with ww1...from late Jun 1918 after only 6 months in action on the fronts were the Germans were utterly defeated and asset destroyed,...... Stolen Valor ,..now you know were that word originated from
English Mik
@@michaelpalmer937 I suggest you look up where "were" originated.
David Walmsley
Yes ....'so what's the thrust of your argument ????
I also drift away at times and imagine myself in the time period of the history I’m learning about. If only we could return for a short period of time, it would be so cool.
And then you’d die at 16 from diarrhea
Just wanted to add something that wasn’t mentioned here. Tecumseh stopped the torture of the American POWs at the River Raisin by the Native Americans. American survivors praised Tecumseh for this in their personal letters they sent back home. Tecumseh then shamed the British officers for not being able to stop the massacre by their Native Allies.
That was Dudleys defeat, right outside of fort Miamis. We have a monument for the British soldiers that were killed trying to stop it.
@@davidthigpen2366the commander stood and watched 🙃
The pipe tomahawk that Henry Proctor presented to Tecumseh as a gift actually still survives in a museum, and you can look it up. It's in amazing condition because it was only a short time later that Tecumseh was killed at the Battle of the Thames, so it didn't see much use at all. It's a beautiful weapon!
Being from northeast Ohio and spending most of my life on west basin at our cottage on Pelee island I have had many years to visit and explore the sites of the war of 1812. To visualize the historical important of my state in this conflict gives me a sense of pride knowing that so many historical people were standing on ground I stood on. And when I'm on the lake heading to Cedar Point. I pass through the very spot where the battle of Lake Erie took place. I look over to the monument for Commodore Perry and picture the smoke and cannons on a now, quiet and peaceful lake. Ohio is now a beautiful and peaceful place to live. But it's infancy was anything but. I do still feel remorse for the first Nations that called Ohio their home. To this day there's large regions of the state where they lived that are scarcely populated.
In every account of the 1812 war we hear,. What if Brock,. But I ask, what if we, would have talked to Tecumsa and really listened The speculation is always twords the relationship with the British. But what if we would have chosen to share this land in peace? I think the outcome would have been completely different from what it is today. That's the interesting aspect of history. One subtle change can rewrite the future. Thanks for a fantastic video. Very well presented.
We are happy you enjoyed this video!
The pages of all people's histories are soaked in blood; from ancient times, right on up to the modern day.
Not nearly as much as Europeans
Tribes are different with language and customs so many tribes didn't get along we see them as the same people but their not that's why tribal wars is something people can't wrap their mind around it was political to gain more land and warriors but they would assimilate the opposing tribe into the dominant ones who won the battle the chief of the enemy tribe would be killed men indentured to servitude until they have assimilated and can be trusted but women and children assimilated immediately they'd marry the women and children adopted brought up to practice that culture customs..... That scot-Irish girl that was ambushed as revenge was assimilated but hee parents and older siblings who couldn't be trusted or assimilated were murdered the older children was killed because they've spent life as a European and couldn't be trusted and would be much harder to assimilate this is how many native American and African tribes operated they had no idea of the barbaric slavery white people practice and developed they just wanted to get rid of the enemy which they could gain protection for their tribe from slave traders so they opted to sell a useless prisoner of war this not for all majority fought off the slave raids its so much i can give on this subject
What surprised the Africans is how ruthless Europeans were they didn't think they kill off entire tribes cause Africans wouldn't wipe out a weaker tribe out they'd give them that mercy so Africans truly weren't prepared for the evil killing machine Europeans a few nations knew better to not underestimate the length an enemy would go to and some nations won and fought back and matched Europeans war tactics and that got them praise like in the hatian revolution Europeans said they've never seen black people fighting so ferociously
@@violetdivinespiritualreadi1824 wrong
@@violetdivinespiritualreadi1824 African tribe mercy please tell us more.
I remember this subject in both High School and College.
I kept taking History as an elective and when reviewing my credits for my last semester and prepping for graduation, Dr Guy, my Advisor was like, "Well look at you, ya got enough History credits for a Minor!"
We both lol, neither of us expecting that at all.
Majors: Journalism, Sociology
Minor: History
Now, After it again, Ancient History - through Yale University.
Exceptional Professor.
Exceptional experience.
Never stop Learning.
I'm 58.
*Well, lookie at you*
That’s cool Beth ... You seem interesting
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History is interesting, in this subject, I'm another Student. But we each do have our uniqueness.
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@@acgillespie
...and also you
@@bethbartlett5692 I totally agree with my 8th grade education 🏴☠️😁
I loved this. It's my favorite war to talk about. So many cool stories and interesting people. My family's original homestead is on the banks of the Sandusky River right next to Wyandot county, which was the last Indian reservation in Ohio. I feel such a connection to these stories.
Indians aren't from the continent you live on. These are Native Americans :)
🙏🙏🙏🫡🫡🫡🫡🤘🤘🤘 Stan was my 4th grade teacher
Ft. Miegs& the Maumee River beside it are my playground. Occasionally musket balls can still be found along the shore.
Dallas DautermanDallas are they always round or do you find the “cleaning type”?
White Hat Most I've found are either round or flattened from hitting something
Great video. Gives us information that very few of us ever learned.
Glad you enjoyed it!
There was a dispute over who Tecumseh's mother was, and it has been said he was half white. I was looking up my ancestry and my 7x ggf had a daughter that was married to Pukeshinwa, Tecumseh's father. So if he was half white my ancestor is his mother, and if he's not half white, then she was his step mother. I had no idea ever until last year, and I'm 58, but according to all ancestry websites, Tecumseh has a tie my maternal grandfather, and I am proud of him.
as you should be
Seldom acknowledged is that many of these significant American Indians were mixed blood, that they could communicate with both sides. Being American Indian was to have an American Indian mother.
V Yes. I think his mother was a native American, but there was also a question of which tribe. Muskogee or another,( I can't recall). I always realize that I am also related to both sides (via other relatives of my fathers side) that had been killing each other. I'm hard pressed to explain, much less know how that felt ,in real time while it was happening. Tecumseh's stepmother, my relative, only came to visit home once or twice and then went back to her Indian family. I wish things would have gone better back then, as most people did then, and still do. Thanks for listening. Happy trails.
Shanti Saks : Ancient-American History & Style I'm no troll, I don't make stuff up to make you angry. You made you angry. I looked up an ancestor of MINE on a website named Geni.com said her husband was Pukeshinwa and it listed their children and Tecumseh was one along the others. Alot of the other websites said the sane thing. I think she was his STEPmother, FYI !!
I'm not the one who produced any of the statements made, as fact about Tecumseh's ancestry. I'm just speaking from things I've read.
who cares
Tecumseh was a great warrior, great mind and he has hearth for his people he stand for, fearless human being who give his life away in order to keep hope of freedom ...
Yeah I love learning about him! I live in a small town in Ontario Canada there's signs and stuff put up around here because Chief Tecumseh passed through here and also the underground railroad did to!
To bad the fire water got him .
plutoniusis he is part of my family..!
@Marrowbones The reason he leaned a bit more toward the cause of his own people and not a champion of white people was because the white people had a LOT more land everywhere else in America BUT where Tecumseh was.
He was pissed they wanted his people's land also. He only fought for his own land, which of course made sense to him.
@Marrowbones How would you not believe his desire to fight the white people was not a result of the white people's manifest destiny creedos that took the native Americans' land. He didn't fight with other NAs, he united them.
General William T. Sherman's father admired Chief Tecumseh so much that he named his son after him.
General Sherman's full name is -- William Tecumseh Sherman.
Hello Craig , how are you doing today??
@@austinewillams1119 I am doing great. What's up with you, Austine?
@@craigkdillon I’m doing grate 🤗 how was your day ? I think you’re busy all day
@@craigkdillon hello 👋 how are you doing today babe
should be mandatory viewing for all students; thank you so much for uploading this
Yes as well as Further understanding of the times .
The lesser magistrate doctrine &
ORGANIC LAW
1) The “Declaration of Independence”;
2) The Article of Confederation;
3) The Northwest Ordinance; and,
4) The Constitution of the United States.
The Organic Laws of the United States of America can be found in Volume One of the United States Code which contains the general and permanent laws of the United States. U.S. Code (2007)[1] defines the organic laws of the United States of America to include the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, and the Constitution of September 17, 1787.[
Yeah it keeps the illusion going of the brutal genocide that actually happened to Natives by the invading Euro-Americans.
As a Brit who loves American history and has travelled widely in the US and Canada I find it fascinating how a nations historic myths develop over the years to become "fact". To Americans the war of 1812 wins the North West for the USA defeating the tyrannical Brits and their Native American Allies. To the Brits the war is a footnote to the Napoleonic Wars which really was a battle for survival against a real tyranny who wanted to conquer Europe. To the Canadians, the resistance by the very few British regulars, Canadians and Native Americans prevented the land hungry US from conquering what is now Canada and adding that vast territory to their own empire.
Yes that’s very true as an American who’s fiancée is British and my daughters the same goes in Europe too.
The revolutionaries broke the treaties that the Brits had made with the natives. Many natives moved into Canada after where the Brits granted them land.
It all revolves around Britain and the people that longed to be free from Britain and its dominance on the citizens freedoms.Especially religious freedoms.
To the Americans, it showed that the Native tribes couldn't be trusted & that living together wasn't going to happen.
I certainly hope William Harrison is mentioned, he was vital in defeating Tecumseh.
His respect for his opponents is why he survived, his men slept on their Rifles with fixed Bayonets. They were attacked @ 5am.(early on)
We struggled as a nation. But we learn, then forget,relearn & repeat.
American=
53%British
32%Scottish
12% Welsh
1% German
2%Basque.
I am proud my Heritage is of the British Isles, when you think of the Amazing men with the Courage to sail off into the unknown and face it is why Western Civilization exists, when you look at a map, see the size of those Islands.
its even more impressive.
It's just dandy how you 'love American history' so much that you can force yourself to do very little but criticize it,' bravo ol' chum.
Great documentary. The war which preserved Canada as an independent country! God bless both kin on either side of the border. 🇨🇦🇺🇸
F Canada.
@@MikeJones-uc5eu Go back to Europe pilgrim.
I am sorry for the pain you endure.
So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart
Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Chief Tecumseh
Eddythebeast666 now that would be great advice to everyone now days
stand in awe of the burden and hardship that others carry or sit in judgment of how well that load is carried witch path brings you closer to spirit or family or anything good
@@andrewmoll7366 Sure... or Allah Or Buddha or any of the other 3000 gods humanity worship... Its still a good idea to lead a worthy life... If Your God offers you a Be a scum bag with out consequences card, probably a scum bag of a god...
Thanks, but Tecumseh was never a chief but a warrior.
@@gpwcowboy Correct... I just Copy/pasta the thing... There are questions as to him ever saying it as well... History often gets embellished but in this case I think it fits. Native Traditions often do so like the Blue glow reported from the edge of his sword...
Family tradition.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Richardson_(author)
I know a guy who is a native American, his mother lives on the reservation. He lives near Gwinn, Michigan. The indians in USA were treated badly in the early part of the 18th century.
I'm surprise that the top comment is from a person who commented 2 days ago even when this was made in 2012.
'Treated badly'? Like the Jews were treated badly by the Nazi's?
@@SireJaxs Perhaps Josh, if your statements were more interesting or enlighting you might get the top spot? keep it up.
@@RichardDevereauxEarlofEssex Alright dude, good to know. Funny you should mention that because every time I get a notification, I immediately comment and sometimes I can top spots.
@@SireJaxs My congratulations, keep up the good work,
The deadly embrace of European technology and the trading posts by Indian tribes is rarely talked about. Indians would compete for trading posts because a tribe that had access to tomahawks and guns had an advantage over tribes using traditional tools and weapons. The British were favored over the French often because the British tomahawks also had a pipe bowl so Indians could use it as a calumet, or ceremonial pipe.
Trading posts created a dependency relationship with the trader and the country behind it. Those tribes would come under the influence of that country. So, in the French & Indian War, both Britain and France got various Indian tribes to fight for them. The Pottawatomie of Chicago area fought for the French and defeated the Iroquois a number of times.
The tragedy for the Indians was that change was coming too fast, and too profoundly for them to adapt.
In reading history, there was honor and deceit on both sides. But, one thing was clear - the inexorable march of technology that changed the Europeans, and the nature of their engagement with the Indians.
The old Indian cultures had no chance, just as the old Celtic and Germanic cultures of Europe had no chance.
Nah...the Indians preferred the Brits rather than the French because they got
used to sipping tea with their Brit buddies every day at 4 PM. :0)
Nor did the Indigenous People of America stand a chance.
Craig Dillon Cortez was able to get tribes to ally with them against the Aztecs.
Gary Daniel that don’t make sense. Prove it, sight your sources
Craig Dillon shhh youre not allowed to talk about these things....history is simple, black and white, there’s no nuance
At the of The War Of 1812, there were no winners
However, there was a loser.
One of he greatest shames,, and the greatest sorrows, of the history of the americas, so oft repeated, before, and since.
Better to go then than to keep struggling on until today on some reservation.
@Richard Dixon nope
Only human empathy, morality and ethics.
You, on the other hand, must be a highly vocal proponent of hitlers *"final solution"*
A racist sociopath, so to speak.
@@7316bobe Or...England, France, and the U.S. could NOT have been genocidal liars
@Richard Dixon so,
for curiosity's sake,
is it just Natives?
Or *All* non- caucasians?
Do you direct intolerance towards different religious beliefs too?
@Richard Dixon
And, how does one manage to *earn"* Morality?
Superior or otherwise?
It’s very simple it’s “ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE LAND & STILL IS TODAY”...
This comment is on the money. In North america it still goes on. ever since the first land developer got the first American (Native american) drunk and had him make his mark on some paper he did not understand.Unfortunately developers continue to rape the land for profit. Some places like California sadder than others that so much natural beauty is now cookie-cutter housing, highways, strip centers, fast-food restaurants, etc. No woder Europeans look down on us.
@Doug Bevins : Is that your mouth or an anus? I can't tell the difference there's so much BS spewing from it.
to our shame , yes.
@Doug Bevins Not all Empires, We just changed ours to The Commonwealth, the Queen is still head of state of the Second Largest country in the world and an entire continent (Australasia) and 50 odd other countries and Dependencies around the world.
Coming from First Nation Native of Canada of Treaty 8 which were sign in 1899 and still standing, naw it’s America’s fault by lying in the first place. Guess the real bad guys were the blue coats not the red coats. Kinda hard looking at red coats as bad guys knowing Canada still has treaties with indigenous people of Canada, now can America say the same?!?
“ When I hear the mournful sound Sometimes in the water; sometimes in the fire”
Hi there.. how are you doing? Hope you’re fine and staying safe?
Blood and Soil. Let it go my friends. There is no point in it. It is like holding a burning ember in a closed fist. it will only ever hurt. Drop it and move on towards your end. Your end that will come. Do not be used once again by devils that only grope for more. And remember, Where ever you go, There you are ;)
Yeah....I see now. You're right. There I are, just like you said. I can see me. :0)
I guess the World should have just accepted the Nazis or the Irish the English? Painful but progressive, right? If anyone deserves reparations it is the true Americans who took the land only from each other on occasion.
B Doon I think you missed the point.
Amazing how Colonial America thought they were promised rights to expand into the NW Territory. I do believe there was something written into the Treaty of Ghant concerning the Sovereignty of the Native Americans, but they were excluded from the Treaty. William Harrison admired Tecumseh, but the emerging Colonial Nation of the USA desired the Territory regardless of the various Tribes. This War is very much overlooked and forgotten by many US Citizens. Although the British burned Washington, D.C., were very successful in the Central Atlantic States and dominated the High Sea, the Success of the US Naval Forces on the Great Lakes bordering Canada played a vital role in negotiations favoring the USA. Good documentary. Thank you. Watch & Enjoy.
Where are you from?
@@TheIceman567 Besides my mother's womb (Joke), I was born and raised in New England. Why?
@@benjaminrush4443 just asking
They forced the natives off of their land through coercive treaties and broke those that weren't.
@@Spindacre Yes, some of the poorest settlements in America - USA - today are where Native Americans live now.
and in the end no one really gains anything but a memory , nostalgia....
Except in the end, territory and resources were gained
@@JStryker7 And lost. The British lost a good deal of what could have been their territory, and their long held geopolitical aims of containing American expansion. That is what the Quebec Act of 1774 was all about to begin with.
Tecumseh was one of the greatest leaders and men of all time. Tecumseh challenged Harrison to a contest of champions between them but Harrison refused; Harrison could not have taken Tecumseh man to man.
There is a time to fall back. You can lose most of the battles but still win the war.
@@JStryker7 you are high. If you loose most of the battles, you loose the war. You may gain after a treaty is signed but thats only because the winner allows you to gain.
@@christopher480 you really need fo learn your history
@Jim Hope And were responsible for every massacre and atrocity committed there.Americans account of "Winning" every battle is to have the highest body count....not hard when your fighting guys in their pyjamas.
Can you imagine? Hand to hand combat between Tecumseh and Harrison. Winner take all the land west of the Allegany mountains. I'd roll everything on Tecumseh.
Tecumseh had it right. Imagine if Americans woke up tomorrow morning and realised that no government appointee or electorate past or present could negotiate or vote away, God given individual rights?
Harrison would make such a good villain if portrayed in a modern movie.
God I love RUclips. There is so much info on here and you don’t even half to read.
Then again, you *have* to read in order to be literate.
@@tracishea5053 Those who "half to read" read only odd or even numbered pages...save time that way.
@@conveyor2 😆
ja j we’re all a little bit dumber for reading this haha 😂
Or half to smell either
The Great Spirit led Tecumseh & his brother Tenskwatawa
William Henry Harrison was quite a hero and also quite a dad still fathering children into his early 70s I believe -
That's John Tyler, his VP/successor
Harrison died at 69, so no. And while he did sire ten children, his youngest was born in 1817 when he was in his 40s.
Love this history! We are trying keep this history alive in our videos too! Especially Appalachian!
You are trying to keep the lies going.
@@deerobinson557 Haha, yeah… that’s what we are doing. Not sure what you are referring to but history is history, even when it’s uncomfortable.
This is awesome and interesting! I’m a Mountain Men fan! And go to some rendezvous to live as close as I can as they did! Thank you!
FIRST True heroes?????? I think not!!! God Bless Native America!
"god bless Native America" smh
In Chillicothe Ohio they have the outdoor drama Tecumseh if you're that way that's a great great show
A'ho brothers and sisters
yeah it's actually pretty badass
Excellent presentation! Thank you. Just subscribed.
Hi there.. how are you doing? Hope you’re fine and staying safe?
USA: "It's our Manifest Destiny to invade Canada and reach the Arctic"
The British: "Nope"
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USA: “let’s meet in Alaska to discuss”
Thanks for putting this together. This was quite interesting. I love Oliver Hazard Perry! Really awesome bad ass in history.
Very interesting, when I was younger, I loved to watch the old western movies with the indians and the americans, didn't realize that the indians were taken advantage of. I now see and understand what happened. Very sad how things ended for them. Those indians were courageous people . Hooray for them. Nassau in bahamas
Hello Carolyn , how are you doing today
Who did Tecumseh’s people conquer and take the land from?
Oh, shut up.
WJR III thats a great response you are so intelligent
Confederation meaning a diplomatic linking of tribes or peoples, granted they did fight wars but never took land mostly property and slaves mostly women. Your point has zero merit, the native americans didnt not have the same views of empire or land ownership that the europeans did. If you listened to the first 5 minutes of this video you would have heard his view on land ownership and sale
They stole their land from other Indian Tribes, and so on...
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As well as Clovis man
Let's pray for them and all people
Hi there.. how are you doing? Hope you’re fine and staying safe?
They ought to be given their land back, in addition to financial reparations.
You cannot mention the victory at Fallen Timbers without mentioning Captain Richard " Shawtunte" Sparks, who was taken in Western PA in a Shawnee raid led by Pukshinwah, the war chief of the Shawnee, and the father of Tecumseh. Captain Sparks was raised from age 3 as a brother to Tecumseh, so he knew him well. Sparks was returned to the whites after the death of Pukshinwah at the battle of point pleasant in Lord Dunsmores war. He knew all of the Northwest Tribe's villages and trails. His scouting and knowledge was very significant in Gen Anthony Wayne's victory
The Prophet was just a figurehead for Tecumseh. Tecumseh was the one having the visions and instructing the Prophet what to do. The Prophet was a legend in his own mind. His not listening to his brother Tecumseh was why they lost.
Bullshit
The Canadian War
For Canadians, the War of 1812 was the successful defence of a small colony against attack by a much larger neighbour.
The vast majority of British forces were in Canada. The invasion wasn't to conquer but to confront their opponent and to occupy territory that at a future date could be negotiated in a peace treaty
@ Invade and capture Canada to occupy territory that at a future date could be negotiated in a peace treaty, that's what countries do when they are at war. Most likely they wanted to free Canada from domination by the British with the goal of turning into states that would voluntarily join the US union or become an independent nation.
Historians David and Jeanne Heidler argue that "most historians agree that the War of 1812 was not caused by expansionism but instead reflected a real concern of American patriots to defend United States' neutral rights from the overbearing tyranny of the British Navy. In addition, eliminating the British presence in Canada would best accomplish British support for Indian raids."
So lighten up Francis.
PS. Why would anyone want to capture and occupy Canada anyway except if you were at war. Frozen wasteland.
@@robcochran6213 British forces in Canada were minimal; most of their forces were occupied with Mr. Bonaparte....
@@mikeaylward4521 Of course the majority of British forces on the planet at that time were engaged with the French, my reference is to British forces fighting against the US forces in North American
@@robcochran6213 No, it was just an attempted annexation. Unprovoked and unjustified.
Great Video. History not available anyplace else, at least that I'm aware of.
Read "The Frontiersman" by Allan W. Eckert!
Great read. He also has a book on Tecumseh as well as many other areas and tribes!
Great author and great history taken largely from the Draper Manuscripts!
Tecumseh was truly the heroe of this era by far.
Unfortunately, he was on the losing side. I wish it had been an inclusive culture, rather than a bunch of bigots, adding the amer-indians. What is done is done.
Read The Frontiersman, by Allan W. Eckert. You are welcome.
And "a sorrow in our hearts" life of Tecumseh.
I love Native American ideals. The idea that this land belongs to its children, all of us. For Tecumseh to state that he can't sell what isn't his and that the land already belongs to both the red man and the white man. In return, respect the land mother nature has given us. Such beauty and respect. What an argument. "Why not sell the air, the sea, and the earth?" Only to be rebutted with, "If you natives were one of the Same children of mother earth, than you would all be of the same tribe speaking the same language." What tiny minded thinking. Being white myself, our past is embarrassing. Even some shit today is ridiculous (that goes for all races these days though. A lot of selfishness going around and true values of significant notoriety lost. Way too materialistic as well). I don't blame Tecumseh for denouncing and rejecting those bogus treaties of the past. It's already been proven that we are not true to our word. We could all learn a lot from our Native American brothers. They are truly in touch with nature and the balance of the universe and of life.
Guitar George Thank you for your comment! I’m glad to see that some still have the open mind to understand. There are higher laws and higher rights that are in the hearts of all man. We all have this understanding within us. Written law tried to break it, but it doesn’t hold weight against the higher law. All men have the right to life and all that Mother Earth provides, not to be owned, but to be borrowed during our lifetime.
GG: Another oft repeated myth. Tribes were absolutely brutal to each other for thousands of years before any white man showed up, taking land and slaves from each other on a regular basis.
We won the War of 1812 by surviving. We had many naval victories including on the Great Lakes and at Plattsburgh. Jackson stopped GB from taking New Orleans and taking our territory.
You lost the War of 1812 by not conquering British North America, the objective of declaring war on Britain while the Brits were busy with Napoleon. The Battle of New Orleans was meaningless, fought a month after the Treaty of Ghent was signed, ending the war.
The treaty had been completed but not ratified. If Jackson had lost New Orleans GB would not have approved the treaty they would have kept New Orleans.
@@Jim-sb6wz Historical woulda, shoulda, couldas are only good for one thing, selling beer.
Fact we kicked ass at New Orleans.
Against the same troops that beat Napoleon.
A myth that has been passed on, and many people still believes. Tecumseh loved the Wabash and Tippecanoe river basin very much. As the myth goes, Tecumseh said a prayer to protect the area that he loved. Therefore no tornadoes will damage the Area. The city of Lafayette is in the Wabash river valley.
The myth must be wrong because the city of Lafayette, Indiana has had a few Tornadoes. Luckily no real major damage or deaths occurred.
He was saying the prayer for his people....since they no longer control the area; perhaps the prayer lost its power
maybe the fact nobody died was the point?
The blessing does not continue for the people who stole the land, and who murdered the people who were actually from the land
Grandfather ran for 3 miles saving his life & reconnecting with other militia soldiers
Who Knew? That’s why we need these great professionals to educate those that seek out our past. 🇺🇸
This war is rarely ever talked about
Though it resulted in a stalemate, the War of 1812 proved to be quite beneficial to the United State's nationalism and military might. Before the War of 1812, the United States was in no condition to wage a full fledged war; much less, land an invasion for a mass number of reasons. First of all, the United States suffered horrendous debt resulting from previous wars and restricted trade issues with France. This meant that the US military was drastically underfunded, badly lead, ill-equipped, and ill-trained. The US Navy was very low on ships and moral; most of America's war vessels were merchant vessels fitted with cannons and artillery, which paled in comparison to the military might of Great Britain's Royal Navy. Not to mention, the majority of America's public did not support the US military, and protested any such war with Great Britain, including America's invasion of Upper/Lower Canada. However, it was the US who first waged war on the British Empire. This declaration of war was influenced by prominent British transgressions against US trade with France, Impressment, and Native American induced proxy wars. Furthermore, The British Empire made several alliances to help aid their military offensives against the US in the War of 1812. The U S. found themselves fighting against - Spain, the United Kingdom, The Canadas, Tecumseh's Confederacy, Shawnee, Creek, Red Sticks, Ojibway, Chickamauga, Fox, Iroquois, Miami, Mingo, OttawaKickapoo, Delaware (Lenape), Mascouten, Potawatomi, Sauk, Wyandot ...etc.
A long summary of the War of 1812: begins with US suppression of multiple Indian rebellions, until British and Native Americans join forces; resulting in multiple US defeats; including - US naval defeats, settlements massacred by Indians, American retreat from Upper Canada, then capture of Detroit Michigan(_early_ _1812_) In 1813, the US military sought it's opportunity to recapture Detroit; as well as destroying Canada's capital of York and torching much of Ontario(_Upper_ _Canada_) The US also managed to repress the Royal Navy until April 1814, As large numbers of British troops arrived, raiding Chesapeake Bay and eventually capturing Washington, D.C. ... After a severe Royal Navy defeat at Craney Island, On September 13(_A_ _major_ _turning_ _in_ _the_ _war_) Fort McHenry withstood 25 hours of bombardment by the British Navy, causing British forces to leave the Chesapeake Bay and focus on capturing New Orleans. Towards the end of the war, the US military had strengthened to a degree which shifted Britain's military offensive towards a downward spiral; eventually, causing them to call for the peace treaty at Ghent, in direct response to America's victory at Plattsburgh New York. After the war's end, the British Empire failed in it's attempts to capture Louisiana at the Battle of New Orleans. Finally, the US Navy dispatched Britain's Royal Navy from America's national waters.
"it was the final action between British and American forces. The American gunnery was far more effective than the British, despite the two being virtually identical in strength. After exchanging both broadsides and musket fire, the British commander was killed and the British brig was too badly damaged to be salvaged and was set ablaze by the victors after the removal of its stores."
The unprovoked American attack on East India Company ship, 'Nautilus' was the last military action of the War of 1812, and resulted in a final American Naval victory over the British Empire ...
thanks Bill Clinton!
Bill Cosby The Truth Is That The Evil Beings That Control This Country Used Sharia Law Against The Native American People. The Free Masons Worship The Daughters Of Alla. Muhammad Claimed Alla Is God And Has No Children. But Alla Is A So Called God Of The Moon The Sun Goddess The Moon Goddess And The Earth Goddess Are Alla's Daughters The Statue Of Liberty Is The Sun Goddess The Woman On The Top Of The Capital Is The Moon Goddess The Rotunda Or Panthion Hold The Earth Goddess. This Is New Rome All You Have To Do Is Open Your Eyes And Learn What The Symbols That They Use In All This Governments Monuments And Buildings Mean .The Founding Fathers Were Rich Greedy Mostly Slave Owning Masonic White Traitors To Their King And Country.The Eye On The Back Of The Dollar Bill Is The Earth Goddesses Eye. Ishtar And Kali Are Two Of Her Names The Whore Of Babelon Is Who The Bible Says She Is. Here's Another Clue Her Statue Shows Her Exposed Breasts. Who Is She???
Bill Cosby ......To me the war 1812 was senlessly declared in haste rather than prayer and patience.
More dead men and all the DC buildings burned !
Mike Seter dude shut up you moron. Your comment is ridiculous
You are going to have a lot of time while you spend the rest of your life in the slammer to watch You Tube. What the hell were you thinking Bill ? Really ! What the Hell !!
The most important lesson Britain learned was that the best way to defend Canada was to accommodate the United States. This was the principal rationale for Britain's long-term policy of rapprochement with the United States in the nineteenth century and explains why they were so often willing to sacrifice other imperial interests to keep the republic happy.
That's the thing as a Brit I don't get about this American history telling angle,Yanks don't suddenly become yanks and cast of family ties with britain or canada that easy,Americans still speak the same language have the same values, most of all the settlers are Brits,the guys who wrote the constitution were all a bunch of rich brits who didn't want to put any money towards the cost of the french and indian war and better understood the wealth to be got from seperating from the crown, this conflict is very british it's really like a civil war, we comeback in 1812 to see if you yanks had had a change of mind,we love ya so much we just wanted to make sure you hadn't traded one bunch of tyrants for another, think of the english war of the roses,it killed hundreds of thousands of englishmen fighting on either side but now we are all mates again .That's why we invented cricket ,ice hockey,rounders(base ball with shorter bats) rugby, see we don't see you as foreigners over here your still in our crew along with the aussies, canadians, scott's irish, new zealanders ,you just have a very distorted view of it all being on that big continent Ha Ha, Yanks! you gotta love em'
@@inazuma-750-w Let me help you with the mindset of an American back then towards Britain. It's true that many of the founding fathers were a bunch of rich guys who wanted to separative from Britain for their own interests financial as well as others but the fact was that the average colonist at that time had mix feelings about colonial rule. A good film that shows this is Last of the Mohicans. (The Patriot is a mess and exhibits more Mel Gibson's Ausie dislike of the British, though Banastre Tarleton was a fucking bastard) They didn't dislike British, they disliked the Crown and the British army. The Crown had open contempt toward the colonies, the British army (known to be so friendly with people like the Irish, right?) were belligerent and warlike toward colonists. Where to you think the word Yank comes from? It was a insult that the British army invented - a Yankee Doodle Dandy, in other words a fool who thinks he's well dressed. American embraced the word Yank and flipped the meaning. But as far as their feeling toward Britain the country, think of the relationship as one between parents and teenagers. As some point when you grow up you get sick and tried of being told what to do and you're like hey bugger the fuck off mom and dad please leave my apartment as I want to do my own thing.
The American Revolution was also an American civil war with brothers fighting brother and this was exhibited as far more bloody and vicious as in the massacre of loyalists at Kings Mountain. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kings_Mountain
As for the War of 1812, the British navy did force that war by taking sailors off US ships for impressment. By 1812 there were no Americans wanting the Brits back in the country. That ship had sailed by 1782. Yes you brushed us back at annexing Canada and you did burn the White House but you got a proper ass kicking in the battle of New Orleans.
As for now.....well the UK isn't Britain no more than Russia is the USSR. We're simply cousins and rarely disagree.
But I'm always reminded when this subject comes up of that scene in The The Great Escape when the American celebrate the 4th of July with homemade moonshine shared with their British co-capturers.
Tipsy British officer James Donald: To the colonies
American flyer Steve McQueen: (To) Independence
Tipsy British officer James Donald: How are you managing over there without us? Getting along alright are you?
American flyer Steve McQueen: We seem to be getting along alright....sir
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@@robcochran6213
You conveniently forget that the Battle of New Orleans. happened after peace terms had been signed, and therefore had absolutely zero effect on the course or outcome of the war.
Canada remained British and impressment of sailors stopped when Napoleon was defeated in 1814, and it was no longer needed.
@@adventussaxonum448 I never suggested otherwise, I only mentioned it as the Brits got their ass handed to them by Andy Jackson.
Here's a little ditty to help you remember:
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Re: Tecumseh. Great Warrior? Not so much. At best his tactics were standard "Injun," and he actually only fought/commanded in three battles. One was a brilliant classical ambush (Brownstown), one he fought hard, but has his a## handed to him where he took perhaps 1/3 casualties despite at least matching, but probably outnumbering his opponent (Monguagon). His last being total and utter defeat. As for his "Confederation" it was mostly a loose conglomeration of co-belligerents. One of the myths is that it was Procter's retreat from Malden that broke the Confederation. Actually it fell apart before the Battle of Lake Erie, because of internal Indian unhappiness with Tecumseh's leadership. Fought for "his people?" Well Tecumseh's "people" were the Shawnee, and well, they did not hold to well to him, and the Shawnee almost to a man sided with the Americans. Neither was he the leader of the Shawnee...although he made that claim, and that was his desire...(he was actually from a "disinherited" clan whose leadership had passed to other clans after Fallen Timbers and the Treaty of Greenville). Although he did have a more modern view of the good treatment of prisoners (one of the major issues he had with more "traditional" Indians, especially the Pottawatomie), he had no problem and made liberal use of political assassinations for years before the war of any Indian chiefs who gainsaid him, or were "pro-American." Tecumseh was great in many ways, but he was no saint, and barely competent, but would as Richard Johnson would later remark, made a good politician (in Washington, or even London).
I was just going to say, William Harrison destroyed him in every way, while others caved and folded, Harrison wrecked that ass.
Woops, wrong flag at 22:51. The British had been using the modern Union Flag for over 10 years by 1812.
Edited to add: and again 32:26
Some of the mutilated bodies we left behind were quite young but more often children were adopted in to the tribe to replenish our numbers we lost in battle. (Also fresh blood helped avoid inbreeding)
They were all innocent in so far as they didn't have much choice but swear loyalty to British but with out the British recognition of our right to our lands their presence could only mean our doom.
The Mi'kmaq where not a warrior culture but for our survival we could be brutal.
I have lived almost my entire life in the area covered in this documentary. Born in Fort Wayne Indiana , relation in Battleground Indiana where Prophets town was located then moved to Toledo Ohio nearby the Fallen Timbers battlefield where Tecunseh fought but was unsuccessful . Have many times visited Fort Meigs in Perrysburg Ohio which Tecumseh and the English besieged but could not conquer and the River Raisin Battleground near Frenchtown ( now Monroe Michigan interesting also as the birthplace of Mrs. George Armstrong Custer ) where the Indians and British slaughtered the wounded Americans . In the area now named Maumee Ohio where the British had a small fort Fort Miami and where prisoners of an aborted Kentucky volunteer attempt were held and slaughtered again by Indians . This area is very rich in American History yet very few people are even aware it exists .
I have pictures and such of all my ancestors from Indiana,there is a area named after them Spencer
My grandma and grandpa used own land right across the creek from the trail that goes to the battlefield and I used to live not far from prophets rock when I was kid miss that whole area and town
Tecumseh died in the Battle of the Thames. His body was never found after the Battle.
Depending on whom you believe. There really is no way of knowing.
Tecumseh knew that all the Indians had to all be in agreement or what had happened in his childhood would happen again. The Shawnee land was given away by treaty by another group of Indians with a mark on a piece of paper. Never again could the Shawnee regain that land, or even set foot in it …which another tribe gave away without even asking!
"The war in 1812 was fought in 1812." J.J. Evan's teacher
so far they haven't even us burning Washington
It was also originally heard of in 1812.... 🤣🤣😋😋
Great historical documentary
Good afternoon Patrick, How are you doing today??
We used to sled down the hills at fort meigs, i don't think it's allowed anymore
I believe it is. My brother goes back to Toledo to see his grandkids and I think he has mentioned going there to sled.
Do you remember when the fort wasn't there? Before they rebuilt it?
Not sure. 2001 was probably the last time i was there
@@SmewthePew I was referring to the 1970's when they rebuilt the fort into basically what it is today. Before that I think it was just a park with playground equipment and BBQ grills, if memory serves me.
Oh i see, i started sledding there in early to mid eighties
A most interesting narrative would be the man-haul and manufacturer centers means of transport./labor and instruments of delivery all to have these events occur?
It was indeed a logistical nightmare...for both sides.
Hello Nick , How are you doing today
I llive on the wabsah river. In vincennes about. 1/2 mile for Harrison's house
It Never Surprises me when American History says "They" are Always right and Everyone else is Wrong! 😱
As they often do.
Tecumseh was a great war leader and the namesake of another great war leader, William Tecumseh Sherman.
Brian Sheehan ...Interesting that was Sherman’s first name knowing who he was....
However also that Native Indians also fought for the Union during the civil war
Tecumseh was a *brilliant* war leader, though I hesitate to call him great. He recognized the threat of European expansion, but hamstrung himself by also breaking all other treaties between native nations. In his philosophy, he would make his people great again, but only *his* people. His nation. Anyone who wanted to join him under his terms and his rules was welcome, but were required to give up former allegiances in part or whole (It changed a bit over time, iirc).
The feud between Tecumseh and his brother is actually a fascinating read, and hella informative. It points out ideas and philosophies that are typically overlooked in the European and US narratives.
Mawmee river great walleye fishing
They give Tecumseh too much credit. He thought he had the right to tell "lesser tribes" who they could make treaties, and land deals with. He was truly only concerned about his own tribe, and knew he could never face the Americans on his own. So under the guise of unity he encouraged other tribes to fight the Americans. Another thing they didn't get too much into is his brother. After his great defeat other tribes wanted to kill him because they saw him as a fake prophet. Tecumseh saved him from being killed, but at the cost of other tribes braking away. Tecumseh only really cared about his tribe.
Yup and he built Prophetown on Miamis ground which was a big no no
And this is a problem Why ?
@@jamesmcnally886 it's not really. Instead of unity, and coordinated cohesive action they were divided and conquered like all the others. Like I said he gets too much credit. He lead his nation to defeat in nearly all the same way all other tribes were conquered. By themselves.
The plain truth is Tecumseh was simply an all-around jerk. Nothing more. Nothing less. Hopefully, in the last few minutes before his death, he realized what a jerk he was. ;)
@Jason Brown Get back under your woodpile, you Godless cannibal, you! ;)
In now Hamilton Ontario are the remnants of the original 1813 Burlington Heights earthworks. There is a smaller Plaque: From here on 07 June, 1813, 700 Regular, Militia and Indigenous in the night attacked the 3,500 American troops in their night camp at Stoney Creek. After the rought the American Army were chased back to Niagara.
The war of 1812 had a lot to do with the ambition to seize Canada. In that imperialist dream the USA was frustrated.
No it didn't. Your history teacher failed you.
Fascinating and once again the losers were the native American peoples. British imperialism and American thirst for other people's land . What a waste of life. at least British had abolished the slave trade by this time , but took them unitl 1840 to bring this criminality to a final end. Little redress after such a disgusting criminal trade in human beings largely dominated by the British as a whole , and abbetted by so many prominent Scottish business people. Canada has come forth as a country of human rights and dignity , having refused to support the US/ British 2nd war in Iraq, that has made the middle east such a humanitarian distaster. The Canadians were first in for the fight against pan German military dictatorship in WW1 and the fight against Hitlerism in WW2. Respect for Canadians and native Americans from a bereft 60%+ EU remain London
The very heavy subtitles block the picture and they don't keep up well with the dialog. Annoying and disappointing!
Hi Perry White. When I downloaded the video to watch later the download did not record the subtitles. I am much happier now that the stupid subtitles are not covering things up. I have never seen such silly BIG subtitles used before.
@Boy Gayfellow that's exactly what I did lol
Thank you for this video. So much yet to learn!
This land's not your land, this land is my land, from California to the New York Island. It's all bloody sad.
If not for the War of 1812, we wouldn’t have hockey, Geddy Lee or maple syrup!
sort of accurate, my people however were making maple syrup long before Europeans showed up, so that is safe lol
Interesting documentary but the music when used is a bit over powering and at times irritating.
Tam. Woodwind is killing me
Wish I could find some of the music used in this doc.
Chief Tecumseh was correct they were willing to share the land but not to sell because the Natives at the time did not sell anything because everything was shared no one tribe owned any land.
Uh, no. The bought and sold (what was used as currency is another matter) goods just like anyone else, and had adapted pretty strongly to "White" trade goods. That was what the whole "Lets get back to nature" movement at the time was all about to begin with.
What’s the intro song?
Tecumsheh fought the Yanks because he trusted Brock ,
He had no choice.it was either that or give up his couse.
Brock was a brilliant, brave man and officer. There's a university in Canada named after him.
MY FAMILY TREE IS FULL OF THIS HISTORY~ LETS WORK MY FAMILY TREE ON FINDING YOUR ROOTS SHOW !!!
Named my dog Tecumseh's Sherman, great man against impossible odds!
You named your dog Tecumseh's Sherman? So who did you name him after, Tecumseh or Sherman?
@@deerobinson557 William Tecumsh Sherman was the Generals name...my dog was named after both of them!
@@louiserose2609 Please I'm Shawnee, I asked because evidentially you named your dog after Sherman, Tecumseh's Sherman.
Sherman was a monster, so fitting to name a dog after him.
@@deerobinson557 I'm part Apache.
Tecumseh and Isaac saved Canada from the invasions. I like them because they protected their people
Sorry to hear of your troubles.
The word Kentucky is an Iroquoian Indian word which means "meadow land." The original native people or the region were Cherokee, Chickasaw, Shawnee & Yuchi, whom were displaced by European colonist.
Not sure who told you no tribe called it home but you might want to double check anything else they told you before assuming its fact.
If you like I can recite in gory detail some of the more horrendous things my own tribe the Mi'kmaq did in times of war.
According to sources I have read,"KENTUCKY" belonged to no tribe,it was a hunting ground used by all neighbouring tribes.Sorry if this conflates with your view of the world..
@@tarasbulbas1340 Assuming your sources are correct which I ca NOT verify as you did not share them does not change the point i made.
I think your understanding of what it means "to own" is somewhat flawed. If Multiple tribes used the area with none laying a formal claim that does not mean the land is free for Europeans to take... That would be like claiming land central park in NY & building a house there because it belongs to no one in particular...
Taking a communal hunting ground & developing it to your cultures standards while ignoring the fact a preexisting agreement existed...
Leaving Kentucky aside in the arctic the traditional Inuit yearly travel vast distances to take advantage of the seasonal migration of Whale, seal, Caribou & other animals... If we arbitrarily decide that even one part would be good for a strip mine that habitat is gone... as has happened in Labrador with Hydro projects being developed. No one deliberately killed off the Caribou that was dependent upon as they simply moved out as the water rose but it disrupted the migration of the animal that people who were not consulted were dependent upon...
The Result was a drastic drop in Caribou populations that the Hydro damn builders tried to blame on Inuit "over hunting" Never mind the huge amount of habitat that is now gone... we need power & jobs, its easy enough to lie to ourselves about what has been done...
So how honest are you being here?
@@Eddythebeast666 Calm down,I am just stating a fact.Kentucky was used as a shared hunting ground by all tribes.I am not saying it is ok to take ANY land.One of my resources to this fact is Daniel Boone,who claimed this,before he stole it.
@@Eddythebeast666 So blame Daniel Boone for stealing the car park....lol
@@tarasbulbas1340 I took exception to the claim, "it belonged to no tribe" when the same post acknowledges that it was used by multiple tribes... (Which I had actually listed in my OP.)
Claiming it was a hunting ground used by many, then in the same statement claiming it belonged to none of them...
That would be a contradiction... Which forced me to reply to point it out.
Daniel Boone should have known better to make such a statement... and maybe he did..
We're not all human. Most of us will never leave the grave. Copyrighted jamo509
The Spanish And Portuguese were much harsher on Amerindians then French, British, German, And Dutch
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
That's a lie, they mixed.
without the conquistadors decimating native populations across the american plains, how different would history be? and the spanish were pure opportunists based on greed. later europeans were at least escaping their own tyranny and looking for a better life.
Ah, no.
The Dutch were okay until the NAs disagreed with them and then the Dutch only penchant came out...greed for money and so they slaughtered NAs. Trump Dutch ...no?
What did everyone forget who Cormplanter was ? He kept the Senaca out of the wars and his descendants still live on the land he fought to keep
I am Seneca Iroquois, we did NOT get to keep our land, my great grandparents with their parents were put on a reservation called the 6 nation's in upstate NY. My grandmothers family was bought by an English family and was made to be their farm hands. In Saratoga springs N.Y. A very rich family with the last name of whitford. Many stories of her childhood she shared with me. Sad as is was for her and her family when he died she was free and NOT broken in spirit!! I still miss her she died in 1981 at the great age of 103.
By the way Chief Cornplanter is my ancestor.
@@nauniwhitewave-runningmout4526 oh what I meant was that they still live in western New York, while every other Indian tribe from the east got shipped west
@Sue Taft the 6 nations fought and bleed for the reservation still in their home land
@@nauniwhitewave-runningmout4526 that's badass
War of 1812 really was the last time to pick sides so to speak. It was all pursuit and relocation after this.
Asshole, it didn't matter that you were stealing the rightful owners land?
Why does Tecumseh look like Andrew Jackson? No way he looked like that. Great documentary.
PERRY'S name is immortalized in Japanese history books as an captain of what we call "black ship" who came to persuade Japanese to open the ports for trade (Japan at the time isolated themselves from any contact with foreign countries except Dutch).Every Japanese national with average history knowledge do know his name.
Wrong Perry. Matthew Perry was Oliver's nephew. Is M. Perry viewed as "Good" or "bad?" in Japan?
I've seen documentaries etc. that make it sound like Americans "wouldn't take no for an answer".... which I can sure picture happening - and I'm American.
LONG LIVE KANATA ( CANADA) TECUMSEH WAS THE MAIN REASON WE AS CANADIANS DEFEATED THE YANKEES.
How? He was killed during the war and second their was no Canada.
the indians also took land from other indians. raids and slauter happened well before Europeans
Are you trying to say natives were just as bad as whites because they were but not all. There were some much better than some whites. Especially since some tribes allowed blacks into their tribes. Some enslaved blacks but there's always bad people in a group of people. Even when so much of the white people during that time were pos there was still a few who thught slavery was bad.
So you can't say all native americans but can only say some. By the way don't them Indians that's inacurate Indians come from India not America. Native Americans come from America.
@@elinikolai7493 I think you're being much too critical of the comment. Nothing is ever all of anything.
@Jay Bee empire of the summer moon🤔
@@elinikolai7493 Good and evil only exist int he eyes of the beholder. For example. Indians generally believed it was ok to kill a bloke if he insulted you, even in a dream, but were horrified by whites who executed convicts. That said that was not what Mr. Peppers was saying. He said that Indians warred among themselves prodigiously, which they did, and should not be held to any higher standard just because of political correctness. They were, and remain, just men after all, and, at that time, were a warrior society where men were not "real men" if they had not "proved themselves in the killing."
@@elinikolai7493 facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=137091364670458&set=pb.100051087847586.-2207520000..&type=3 KNOW FACTS
Hey, eddy, why did you admit that Canada was more aggressive than the US when in occupying territory in North America?
Canada still essentially won the war of 1812, United States lost. I agree if Brock had lived things would've been different. Don't forget the Queenston Heights memorial to Brock
You need to read more
United States invaded Canada and had their butts kicked back home without gaining any land. Canada wins.
Canada won, but if the US had lost, the Old Northwest would have become a British protectorate and would probably be either part of or associated with Canada today; and the westward expansion of the US would have been slowed if not stopped. What if the British had taken and kept New Orleans, thus taking control of the lower Mississippi? Would the British have let the US keep the Louisiana Purchase, and even if so, would it have been able to hold most of it? Regardless, the course of US history would have been changed drastically. That is assuming that the British didn't decide to demand the breakup of the US as punishment for starting the war (which we did, though there was certainly provocation on the British side).
The only clear losers in this fight were the Indians, and for them, the outcome of the war was catastrophic.
@@johnries5593 Yeah, it would be more civilized!
@@johnries5593 You state provocation from Britain? I guess you mean the Impressment of sailors into the Royal Navy?..That will not hold water,the French the Spanish the Portuegese were also impressing sailors from the US.Your attack on Canada is based on a lie using impressment as an excuse.Why didnt your congress also go to war on the other countries,why just Britain?Because you Anglophile haters wanted us out of N.America..no other reason.
We use to watch these kinda films in school
That's why you don't know anything now.
So Harrison got permission to to invade prophets town , but then they said they got attacked first by the Indians .... Hmmm . I'm calling bullshit lol
Ah... english empire
Are you an expert in history that has actual proof of your claims of "BS" or are you just a lousy product of a shoddy public education system that just assumes things without any ability to back it up?
@@Bonzi_Buddy Hey Einstein, it doesn't take an expert in history to realize that they are telling the side that makes Harrison look like less of an asshole than he was.
@@deerobinson557 they said he decided to attack and burn the town, where are they trying to not make him look like an asshole? The natives had scouts that probably spotted the large army who couldn't move stealthily like the natives.
Very good
treaties never seem to honored .....ever