So, 32.4 FPS is displayed as "30 FPS", while 32.5 FPS becomes "35 FPS". Sure... makes perfect sense 8< ( Strangely, in many cases, the differences between cards they have HUGE stock levels of and the ones they have relatively few of has been adjusted to favor the ones they're trying to get rid of. Guess it's cheaper for them to create a bogus comparison chart to move overstock than to lower prices. Of course, a "GPU comparison site" run by the retailer of all the products on the site is a clear conflict of interest to begin with, but I guess that shows just how much Newegg cares about fostering well-informed consumers.
If companies are having trouble getting rid of GPUs, I volunteer to take a few off of their hands, and I won't even charge them money to remove the e-waste.
Step 1) Legitimate company gets bought out by illegitimate company Step 2) Illegitimate company does illegitimate business things to make as much money as they can without regard for anything else Step 3) Customers stop, company gets sold again to someone else less experienced with step 2 This is pure synergy, thinking outside the box, and a pivot to a new normal paradigm by circling back.
So let me get this right, they were stocking up on GPUs selling small bit at a time with high markups and now they have warehouses full of graphics cards nobody wants? GREAT LET THEM SUFFER!
Seeing all these companies that were ripping customers off struggle with so much inventory now is so satisfying. Hilarious that Newegg are trying these dumb tactics to flog their inventory now the bubble has burst, they deserve everything they get for their disgusting tactics.
@@drunkhusband6257 It’s almost like there’s consequences for letting the profit incentive take too much priority over the customer and customers in a capitalist society speak with their money and choose not to support it and write their displeasure so other consumers are aware 🤔 you look like an idiot trying to be quipy about bad business practices. Trust me, Newegg doesn’t need your white knight defense.
They are trying to yield a profit in a market where literally no one really wants to buy a GPU right now, especially with news of the next generation cards coming out in October.
@@stayblueee Really frustrating for someone like me who does want a gpu, but am still getting gouged in some last attempt as if people dont know the market changed. newegg-"hey instead of lowering prices to get rid of near obsolete stock, lets dump money into a new site that will try to justify us keeping our margins high."
This was such a transparent attempt from the beginning to move old GPUs out of inventory. Had they not saddled people with unwanted products during their shuffles (including the “explodonator” Gigabyte PSUs) I’d be more inclined to buy one, but frankly they can stuff it.
@@GamersNexus I see a future where PSU's are extremely scarce and the only way to get one from Newegg is in a shuffle that makes you buy a 30 or 60 series GPU.
When I was growing up, Newegg had such a strong reputation. It felt dumb not to get components there. Sad to see how far they've fallen. They need leadership who understand the value of reputation, and understand that propaganda doesn't win you any respect when your market is full of technically-inclined people. Anyone who has taken a high-school statistics course has been given a speech on misleading graphs
Sears traded a century of reputation amongst consumers and employees for a quick payday in the nineties, and now they barely exist. Craftsman used to be the most trusted and reliable midtier tool brand, and they used that reputation to sell all higher prices while slapping production costs by making crap products out of crap materials, and within five years they were a joke. Leaning on an earned reputation to blow up short term profits by cutting costs only benefits CEOs that have golden parachutes and can claim they increased profits by 400% in two quarters, leaving out that it resulted in the company going out of business. It's end game capitalism at it's finest.
@@Hotobu Gamers Nexus did a video on Micro Center and they seem great. They have physical locations, which I've been to in the past and had positive experiences with. They have a website but it looks like a lot of it is in-store only. Amazon is pretty convenient and sometimes the best option but if I can give my money to someone other than Bezos I try
I'm composing a letter to Newegg letting them know that I was literally about to purchase a GPU from them until I watched this video along with your previous investigation. I've told them that they are nothing short of a bunch of crooks who belong in a courtroom defending themselves over a variety of of charges. These criminals just keep getting away with it. Your videos should go mainstream and also be played in a big modal that flashes up every time anyone goes to their website(s). thanks for yet another entertaining expose.
The way I see it, those brands/companies are the ones rolling. Rolling waaaay down a big fat hill. Maybe down mount TechSinai but I'd hate to suggest Newegg is Moses
With how much GN seems to be benefitting from Newegg doing dumb things it might make one start seeing conspiracies. Expect the evidence is that GN has integrity.
I love the knew style of videos, the humor is on point while not distracting from the video. Really appreciate this, you guys are invaluable to the industry at this point.
No no, you misunderstood. JustGPU isn’t about accurate information, it’s about making sure people click through and buy. I’m sure they tested that part very thoroughly.
Newegg: “we need to get rid of these before the next generations launches” Also Newegg: you want a 3070 TI? The best I can do is $750… but you get 4 free games that you’d probably would not buy normally
@@CragScrambler "doom enteral doom eternal and doom eternal definitely four separate games" - Paul Hardware news (forgot what episode but it included the one where Steve got age-gated).
It's really funny that GN, specifically Steve, literally handed them the rope to pull themselves out of the hole Newegg dug themselves into with scummy tactics and still manages to find a way to hang themselves with it. It's like the guy who once robbed you barehanded trying to rob you wearing gloves now, but you still know who it is because you can still see their face. Way to go Newegg, now you've managed to lose even more trust from possible consumers and it's not like they had much to begin with.
Imagine they were dumping thousands into this probably a year ago when they started building this site. Just for Steve to put them on blast as they're trying to release this site.
@@BeHappyTo Essentially, to just stop being so inept while offering insights on how to achieve that and how best to win back consumer confidence. Basically Steve was trying to kind of help them save themselves so other companies don't have more of a monopoly on being a PC parts supplier. Pretty much took that advice and ran the other way with it.
Thank you guys for always showing us what is up with the shady doings of Newegg. You would think after shining some light on their problems, they would try to go with a more consumer friendly approach. Instead, they try to pass this website off as its own entity, while the teeny tiny text on the bottom of the web page is right there for everyone to not see.
It works though, that's why. For the price of a few underpaid employees who make this site they gain many, many idiot buyers. 90% of people who buy GPUs aren't tech literate. Or even have an IQ in the triple digits.
That's just how they operate these days. Whoever owns them now clearly doesn't care about the previous reputation they once had, but rather they only care about making money with as little effort as possible. They live by that sword and they'll die by that sword.
LOL... I've noticed that too. It's like going to a Toyota dealership, and the salesman would be like: "Hey, don't buy this Lexus RX 350, that Corolla SE is better!"
Maybe they're hoping for repeat purchases once the 40-series releases, and they're downplaying performance so that when the new gen comes out, they can make the gap look bigger, and people who bought a card only to have it immediately "obsolete" might be tempted to re-upgrade? Not sure what else makes sense. Or maybe on the low end, crap cards like the 6400 aren't selling compared to the 6600.
Prob find they want to shift much higher inventory of the lower end cards than high end, so tell non-savvy visitors that a $450 card will run games at same frame rate as a $2000, they will think they got one hell of a deal saving $1500 to get exact same performance.
You'd think if anything they'd make the high end look better since those cards are imminently getting the old yeller treatment while the mid and low end will stick around for longer.
They probably have most excess inventory with some of the lower end cards like the RX6400 considering how bad some of them are. As expensive as the 3080/6800XT level cards are, they at least perform well, whereas the low end cards are literally worse than a used RX570.
So strange that they've gone from my go-to place to buy hardware since the early-mid 2000s to someone I don't really trust and will attempt to avoid each time I need a computer part. Very unfortunate for the personal computer enthusiast industry. I've purchased literally every part for a PC for multiple personal builds over the last 15+ years. Now I'd be worried that I'd get a broken part and they'd blame me. That is a far cry from the service I'd used to get, such as a new PSU taking a dump after five days and them sending me a replacement with very few questions asked.
That's what often happens when companies change ownership. Sometimes it can lead to improvements but often it's a downgrade. In this case we know the service issues that have been reported and the forced bundling of products with GPUs. So this is just the latest step in downgrading the company.
When it comes down to protecting PC enthusiasts and consumers and when compared to other outlets, GN is a 10-slot RUclips channel running at 7000MHz that measures 1 meter long! (Note: These numbers are approximations.) Thanks again for more great work!
The one that immediately stood out to me was "Apex Legends" which remains pegged at @140fps no matter what cpu/gpu config you throw at it and no matter what resolution. That was the moment I knew the whole thing was sus. Thank you for making this vid and exposing yet more corporate fckery.
@@drunkhusband6257 he isnt saying it does.. Hes pointing out that one of the most popular games out right now happens to "run great" according to newegg on all the gpus theyre selling, which is very clearly not the case
@@RoboticEmotion Yes, but Newegg is a public company. The rules of capitalism require that the profits rise every quarter or the company will be shunned. They will surely lose quite a bit of margin and they will likely have to sell at a loss eventually. They may have problems getting new investors when their profits go down and in a recession this can be devastating. They may loose most of the profits they made in the last years. But thats just a theory...
@@killersberg1 that isn't a requirement of publicly traded companies at all lol. Also, you know what hurts your profits? Going out of business because you lose all your customers.
@@sylvo1057 I just wanted to ask, if they had a management change. But if they are now owned by a company from the most scummy country in the world, then that would make sense.
I have been building my own computers for over 20 years and have always tried to avoid Newegg, mainly because of their shitty return policies and shipping costs. Looking at my shopping history, the only things I have bought from them in the last decade has been digital games and gift cards. Point is, I do not believe they have ever been an exemplary company.
@@Crenust I never had a problem returning items to Newegg though. And they always paid for shipping. Granted I stopped buying from Newegg in 2016 when they were purchased by a Chinese company so I do not know what their current returns are like.
This is why I love Gamers Nexus. Steve and the gang make sure you know the real deal with stuff, and if it's trash info or dependable. Gonna look at buying more merch. This helps keep me up-to-date on tech I don't have time to read about anymore. Thanks GN.
God I love Steve..honestly so little content actually appeals to my humor. Your " we're doing click bait wrong" bit gave me my first out loud laugh of the week...on friday
Also, I can't help but point out how a bar chart for comparing 2 things is least useful when the bars start at the same point then spread apart. The point of comparisons is to see both tips of the bars side by side, not as far apart as possible. If you're trying to use a chart to visualize data then spreading the number values as far from eachother as will fit on the screen is the diametric opposite of that goal. It accomplishes data visualisation in literally the worst possible way imaginable. I can't even think up a sarcastic way of making a chart less useful than spreading values apart to compare them especially without grids, scales, or any context whatsoever. Even pie charts would be more useful graphic representations of comparisons in this case. Thank god we don't need to compare real data though, given the numbers were made up and rounded estimates based off of unrelated synthetic benchmark (singular, not plural) anyway lol. TLDR this should be illegal. How is consumer protection bureau not all over this? You can't just play dumb and pretend this is an honest mistake, they're intending to mislead consumers that a triple slot card is better than a dual slot card, as if you're paying for real estate. They're preying on consumers not knowing better when they're advertising themselves as informing consumers, then sending victims to their own retail site to make purchases based on the misinformation. This is categorical fraud, like wtf.
It's hilarious to me that Newegg being stuck with a ton of 30 series GPUs, created a whole ass website full of fake benchmarks instead of lowering prices. Really makes you think...
@@zacharytaylor8523 I wouldn't be surprised if the current prices were selling them at cost. But new cards will come out, prices will continue to drop. I'm certainly not paying over 60% MSRP for a 2 year old card about to become last gen. I'll just keep waiting.
A strange phenomenon I've noticed at 5:36 is that Apex stays exactly at 140 fps no matter the resolution and the cpu selected. Same with Elden Ring but at 60 fps. There's others that didn't seem to change much at all as well.
With all the dubious behavior at New Egg lately I bought parts for my new machine from Micro Center. Was a great experience, I went in with a list of components, and I left with a better set of components for less money than what I had on my original list. I doubt I'll ever go back to New Egg even if they do (and I hope they do) straighten out their act.
they aren't stuck with them... they just don't want to lose their margin on them. They could easily get rid of their stock if they introduced price reductions like retailers who have a surplus of product have been doing for centuries.
I don't think it'll be dead inventory. It'll sell after stock of the new stuff is gone and the prices drop. Why would they drop the prices before they relea as the next gen?
they have done some aggressive price reductions on some of their products. But they should do more. As others have said, the longer those old cards sit there the less they'll be worth. Unless crypto makes a huge comeback and doesn't move to proof of stake
I'd NEVER buy a GPU from a company who knows so little about hardware that they call '1440p' "2k". 1440p is NOT "2k" When a res is referred to as 480p/720p/1080p is reffers to the nearest vertical pixel count When a res is referred to as 4k/8k it refers to the nearest horizontal pixel count So, "2k" is ACTUALLY 1080p as the 1920p horizontal pixel count is closer to "2k" than the 2560p of a 1440p monitor, If anything, 1440p is 2.5k Enjoy your basic pixel lesson for the day
Builders are so lucky to have the instant access to knowledge and information like you guys for example provide. One of my guys was Patrick Norton, and the show the Screensavers as well. There were of course others. The point is, people like yourselves are essential to the continued advancement of home computing, and of course Gaming. Thanks for forcing all involved in the process of making our parts and software to 'keep it real.'
And there are people won't name names that would like to put a stop to it so all reviews can be sun shine and roses. Because if you give a bad review of a pro8your hater now.
@@evacody1249 I hope any effort to make reviews or good advise a negative thing and or puntative is not allowed to flourish in any way. As content creators we out here are counting on you. Refuse to do it, unionize or whatever else it takes to remain honest and true to the work you do. You are all vital is my opinion on that.
I just came across this website earlier today and now found your video about it. The prices of the GPU’s are good and im finding lower prices on their “justgpu” website compared to the normal Newegg website for some reason.
the frustrating thing about the whole 1440p=2K thing is that its not only wrong (2K is 1080p, 1440p is 2.5K [assuming a ~16:9 aspect ratio]) but most people consider it to be a small enough detail as to think its not worth correcting
Not to mention HD, 4K etc are meaningless marketing terms for most part Ya fellow “resolution nerd” here too, it’s funny how few people understand what those numbers mean
I mean 1080p is 2 073 600 pixels. 1440p is 3 686 400 so a 77.77% increase, not small at all 2k is 2 211 840 pixel and so a increase from 1080p of 6.66%... So yeah not a small rounding error
Even 4k isn't really 4k: the term is from cinema packaging where the aspect ratio is different for every title, so they measure by fitting it in a 2:1 aspect box and measuring the width, because most cinema is larger than 2:1 and thus is limited by the width. So in short, 4k is supposed to be fitting a 4096x2048 box, not the 3840x2160 resolution that is actually the continuation of the computer/TV resolutions and nothing to do with cinema packaging.
It's started by ether OPPO or OnePlus, I don't remember know exactly. And then picked up by many uneducated marketing managers, which are still hijacking 2K article on Wiki, reverting all edits.
Remember when Newegg used to be the Knight in Shining Armor of the tech industry? If there was a patent troll being taken down, it was likely Newegg doing it. Now, as much as I dislike Amazon, I often look there for components. MicroCenter, please build a few dozen stores in the northeast.
Newegg went downhill when Liaison bought them back in 2016. Before then, yes, they were my go to site for PC components. I've bought a few things here and there since then, but only when their price was materially better and/or I couldn't find it anywhere else.
Yeah, I used to buy from Newegg. Great user reviews were helpful. Then they started selling other stuff. So when I'm searching for a product, I was getting non computer parts in the search results. Add the 3rd party resellers... It became a mess. I've not been on the Newegg website on over 10 years. Besides Microcenter takes care of most of my needs (not all).
I really hope Microcenter expands, there's such a need for them as things like this keep happening, having to choose between NewEgg and Amazon?? Horrendous.
The California shipping center for Newegg is terrible. They sent me a GPU with no padding in a cardboard box and guess what? It was bent in half. Had to RMA. Avoid!!
Wow, really love those "size" benchmark bar charts. Also thanks for spilling the beans on who does reviewers dirty so we know who to avoid. Is there a summary of these ASRock-like companies somewhere?
As an Australian, it’s always funny seeing this kind of stuff happening overseas. Our consumer law watchdog (the ACCC) would absolutely SLAM DOWN on retailers doing this sort of stuff. Interestingly enough, one of our biggest retailers (PC Case Gear) actually just put links to Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed reviews/comparisons on the page for big or popular products to allow people to make up their own mind when they compare it to other products.
Pccasegear also refuse returns for unfit for purchase products and advertise as in stock products that haven't entered the country yet. Their communication is bad, they take months to warranty a single motherboard and their customer service is horrible and uninterested in helping the customer. Careful who you trust just because of them using GN videos in their product listings.
PC Case Gear have recently refunded a faulty mobo I bought from them with no drama. Compared to dodgy retailers like PLE they are very good. They seem somewhat legit.
From personally waiting a year in a EVGA wait list for my GPU, seeing people fight for overpriced aged GPUs and general chaos, to companies being unable to sell said GPUs. This world is a strange place.
From my experience the EVGA waitlist was a scam in and of itself. They put me on the list, but then pretty much never made another GPU of the SKU I wanted again because it was a standard 3080 without a $300 cooler they could upcharge for.
@@rojovision same I wanted the 3080 "basic" right after launch and got an email last month stating the wait list is NOLONGER a thing as inventory is normalized and had links to then still overpriced 3080 FTWs and 3090 Ti's way on "sale"
Powerful you have become Steve. Shady actors and their tactics are trembling because of your journalism. You are a hero keeping them in check and together we can set new standards.
It’s because the sites are aimed at those who don’t know better & are more likely to buy the items New Egg, sorry, Just GPU want to shift fast. Why buy a RTX3080ti when according to them a RTX 3060 will run games at exact same frame rate?
NEW EGG is screwing themselves over also as they "show" most buyers will only need the lower tier VS "normal" sales tactics of up selling the HIGH tier for more profits
@@jasonriddell They are dumping stock before the 4000 series come out, so they are not "screwing themselves". You usually have more stock of the cheaper stuff
No Steve..., you should be callling these people out...naming them...that's how you help the customer...and It's, generally, one of the reasons I like this channel....calling out the bullshit....so call them out. Don't take the "easy road" and leave the customer to figure this out the hard way.
"boss, we have too much inventory, we need to shift it. do we get rid of it by respecting our customers and giving them what they want?" "no, fetch my degree in web design"
Userbenchmark, GPUboss and JustGPU, the top misleading websites of benchmarking! Good job GN. Time to expose more bad practices. Newegg could give space for others to screw over tho lmao.
Userbenchmark is good only to check if your PC is performing as expected because you can compare your CPU/GPU/HDD/SSD performance to other users that benchmarked the same components, it isn't perfect as other people may test parts that are overclocked or benchmark them while doing something in background making the average score go up and down a little bit, but it is simple and relatively fast test I like to do on PCs. However, yes, for comparing between multiple CPU or GPU models it truly is misleading as many times it does not represent true difference in performance. Intel CPUs usually have higher average score that AMD counterparts even though they perform similarly in gaming or productivity. Different GPU architecture have weird average scores too, RX 6600 have a score of 77.7% while RTX 2060 have 88.5%, which doesn't make any sense when in gaming RX 6600 performance is closer to RTX 3060, definitely higher than a 2060.
Hey, at 10:30 in the video when you compare 4 different cards to show that they all have the same fps results on their site you put the data of the RX6600 XT twice instead of a RX6700 XT in the bottom left. Appart from that great video which clearly shows that the all Newegg drama was not a simple mistake and they didn't learn from it.
it takes a bankrupcy for them to realise they messed up... like some streamscammer drawing new winner ruining the whole company in the faster ever shitshow down the drain tragedy for all the employees
I was one of Newegg's first customers back in 2001 and still have the four 80GB Maxtor PATA drives used in my first RAID5 array. My last order was back 2017 and I have no desire to order from them ever again. So sad to see Newegg as a shell (pun not intended) of their former self.
Benchmark: A simulation of performance for X product(s). New Egg: A simulation of a simulation of performance for boosting our margins. Back to you Steve.
Great video. If I could offer a small piece of advice, I'd suggest that you don't eat a bag of pork rinds before setting up the Be Quiet case for the ad.
That little disclaimer of the numbers being an approximation makes it so its not which is total BS. Everything serves these huge companies that are in every politicians pocket.
@@mwborger7 Imagine laws being so flimsy that as long as you say "estimation" you're free to estimate it as loosely as you please. I bet the next thing they'll try and get away with is "estimating" the charge to your credit card.
@@mwborger7 this toyota corolla has 500hp* at the wheels *power figure is an estimate Yeah, still false advertising. Laziness is the simplest, best case scenario and does not excuse misleading customers. If you cant take the effort to produce accurate information, you should STFU when marketing or selling your product imo
Thank you so much for doing this. It is so helpful for knowledgeable sites, such as yours, to hold sellers and producers to account. Sadly there are going to be many people who fall for these predatory tactics. I'm disappointed in Newegg, but not surprised.
I wonder if I’ve been a Patreon support long enough, but then videos like this give me reason to keep the support flowing. Thanks again, GN, for revealing these anti-consumer practices.
Newegg scamming again? No way! Never would have expected something from such a reputable company! They would certainly never mislead anyone about products they are selling!
Newegg is owned by Chinese , so reputable is not a word to associated with them . sorry they never have been reputable ever , I been let down many times by them , every monitor I bought from them failed after 30 days , they refuse to refund even tho it took 3 weeks to ship , I only had for 1 week , total scam Chinese company. Avoid .
In early 2018, customers in the state of Connecticut were notified that Newegg had not collected state sales tax due on out-of-state purchases in the past three years. Newegg was given a choice of collecting such tax in the future or turning over customer information to the state's Department of Revenue Services, which would require customers to file a sales tax form for the past three years of purchases. Newegg chose to furnish the customer information;[42] as Newegg did not have a physical presence in Connecticut, Newegg believed it did not need to collect state sales tax from the ruling in Quill Corp. v. North Dakota. Connecticut's Department of Revenue Services later issued tax bills to these customers.[43]
I have some friends that were excited that video card prices are coming down but now I've got to warn them about this bullshit before buying. Thank you for at least trying to honestly inform folks. We appreciate your always excellent service to try to help the community. o7
I cant wait to see what the prices will be in a few months! It's going to be great to see all the companies that have been inflating MSRP to get bitten by the price drops.
@@JohnWick-9050 I think the scams and scandals surrounding crypto have definitely soured people on the market. Enough people have lost money often enough that it doesn't look like a good investment any more. It may rebound with new technology or with government backing but I don't think we'll see a return to what it was. Furthemore the crack downs in china on crypto farming and governments movement to more digital currencies have also put pressure on the market.
All that money they have made with those huge markups can buy anything, including laws not applying to them. It's BS that they can flat out lie but oh they had fine print and the bottom of the page saying they are lying so its ok!
It's in the fine print. There is a disclaimer that it is estimated values and gets values from a software that...estimates values. So any data that is "wrong" can't be used against them. Clearly NewEgg knows better than the consumers. But what do I know I've only been with this industry for 13 years now.
i love how their selling points are ''check out the FPS this card has on this game, over this card on the same game'' because they know that a lot of computer buyers dont know much about computers and usually think that more fps equal better. instead of explaining what actually makes one card better over another and why.
Newegg is an anime villain at this point. They were stopped by steve the last time they tried to be evil, said they'd do better and so steve let them go, only for them to return for another gross attempt at trying to destroy the world.
NewEgg is stuck with a bunch of GPU's they intended to sell to miners? So sad too bad. They best mark them down below cost and sell them in a hurry before the next generation hits the shelves. If it puts them out of business I'll try to not laugh too hard. No one has ever adequately dealt with the fact that we know how many chips were made and how many cards, roughly, were made for these GPU's but those numbers are far, far higher than the numbers of cards that reached retailers or that online only retailers like NewEgg put on their website for consumers to buy. We also know that the big SI's had little if any issues with card inventory and that the enterprise world had no issues getting cards. Where in the stream were the miners getting the cards? Were the AIB partners selling to them directly? Were the big online only retailers diverting them? Does anyone really believe it was bots buying them off websites anymore?
Let's be real here, Nvidia, AIB's, and OEM's were selling directly to mining firms. Can i prove that in a court of law? No. But I don't need to, all we need to do is sit back and watch Nvidia's earnings call. Which is right around the corner and scheduled for the 24th of this month. Just kick back grab a 🍺 some 🍿 "Nvidia (NASDAQ: NVDA) is slated to report its second-quarter results for fiscal 2023 (the May to July 2022 period) after the market closes on Wednesday, Aug. 24. An analyst conference call is scheduled for the same day at 5 p.m. ET." www.nasdaq.com/articles/nvidia-earnings%3A-what-to-watch-on-aug.-24
As with everything that's happening at-scale, it's a bit of everything. Bots bought up the public stock, distributors sold directly to miners, etc. It all happened.
It's funny to me when people act like this is some kind of secret illegal activity or that they caught companies up in somthing....They sell products, they don't care who is buying them and gAmErS don't deserve them more than anyone else
@@samgoff5289 Found the jaggoff cryptobro. Some of the direct sales to miners WERE illegal you numpty. Crawl back in your hole and find some other scam to get ripped off by. Gaming GPUs _actually are_ for gamers.
Watch our Newegg investigation saga here: ruclips.net/video/2fnXsmXzphI/видео.html
Soon as I saw the video I was like "what did Newegg do this time?"
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I bought a 3090 Ti. Hope it will run AOL.
So, 32.4 FPS is displayed as "30 FPS", while 32.5 FPS becomes "35 FPS". Sure... makes perfect sense 8< (
Strangely, in many cases, the differences between cards they have HUGE stock levels of and the ones they have relatively few of has been adjusted to favor the ones they're trying to get rid of. Guess it's cheaper for them to create a bogus comparison chart to move overstock than to lower prices. Of course, a "GPU comparison site" run by the retailer of all the products on the site is a clear conflict of interest to begin with, but I guess that shows just how much Newegg cares about fostering well-informed consumers.
feels like every sentence in this vidja needs to have an "allegedly" added 😂
If companies are having trouble getting rid of GPUs, I volunteer to take a few off of their hands, and I won't even charge them money to remove the e-waste.
Don't worry the government will bail them out
@[Twitch Streaming Channel] Q 🤣
I can help too 😆
Is there a place to sign up for this responsible volunteering in our community?
I dont care what I get tbh, my 1650 could be upgraded
Newegg’s response to getting caught ripping off customers? Double down and create a GPU marketing scam website. Thanks Steve.
Gotta get rid of all those GeForce RTX 3080 Ties
Back to you Steve!
Step 1) Legitimate company gets bought out by illegitimate company
Step 2) Illegitimate company does illegitimate business things to make as much money as they can without regard for anything else
Step 3) Customers stop, company gets sold again to someone else less experienced with step 2
This is pure synergy, thinking outside the box, and a pivot to a new normal paradigm by circling back.
they love to rip people off
Look at the bright side, at least userbenchmark has a competitor now 👍👍👍
wait...
So let me get this right, they were stocking up on GPUs selling small bit at a time with high markups and now they have warehouses full of graphics cards nobody wants? GREAT LET THEM SUFFER!
Let the hate flow through you child
@@Ioganstone nobody likes yo be rip off, so count me in with the hate
@@eng3d I have a being ripped off kink
Seeing all these companies that were ripping customers off struggle with so much inventory now is so satisfying. Hilarious that Newegg are trying these dumb tactics to flog their inventory now the bubble has burst, they deserve everything they get for their disgusting tactics.
It's almost like they are a company that tries to make profit.....how amazing...
@@drunkhusband6257 It’s almost like there’s consequences for letting the profit incentive take too much priority over the customer and customers in a capitalist society speak with their money and choose not to support it and write their displeasure so other consumers are aware 🤔 you look like an idiot trying to be quipy about bad business practices. Trust me, Newegg doesn’t need your white knight defense.
@@drunkhusband6257 profit or scalp? I paid 2k for a 6900xt that's now 750$ they were cleaning up and now they shit the bed , they deserve it
@Drunk Husband Don't worry the companies aren't here, they can't hurt you
@@ericdoran4313 2K? Jeez you could buy a high end prebuilt for that much I’m sure
Newegg: wants to empty inventory
also newegg: proceeds to still sell gpus over msrp
They are trying to yield a profit in a market where literally no one really wants to buy a GPU right now, especially with news of the next generation cards coming out in October.
My fav part too with all this stuff xD
Woooow what deals! XD
Surprised that each of the purchase links doesn’t direct to a bundle of unwanted next to useless items that have to be bought together.
@@stayblueee Really frustrating for someone like me who does want a gpu, but am still getting gouged in some last attempt as if people dont know the market changed. newegg-"hey instead of lowering prices to get rid of near obsolete stock, lets dump money into a new site that will try to justify us keeping our margins high."
@@stayblueee I’d say it’s pretty damn arrogant to assume you know the value of a product better than the company that manufactured it.
This was such a transparent attempt from the beginning to move old GPUs out of inventory. Had they not saddled people with unwanted products during their shuffles (including the “explodonator” Gigabyte PSUs) I’d be more inclined to buy one, but frankly they can stuff it.
Good point on the unwanted products. They tried to get rid of unwanted inventory when GPUs were hot, now they're trying to get rid of unwanted GPUs!
@@GamersNexus Next they are going to buy up real estate and offer a free GPU with any home purchase :D
@@GamersNexus I see a future where PSU's are extremely scarce and the only way to get one from Newegg is in a shuffle that makes you buy a 30 or 60 series GPU.
This is an attempt to replace GN so they will stop being called out for all their bullshit 😂
@@misterringer free GT1030 DDr3 with home purchase. “It’s a GPU”
When I was growing up, Newegg had such a strong reputation. It felt dumb not to get components there. Sad to see how far they've fallen. They need leadership who understand the value of reputation, and understand that propaganda doesn't win you any respect when your market is full of technically-inclined people. Anyone who has taken a high-school statistics course has been given a speech on misleading graphs
Where's "the" place now? Amazon?
Sears traded a century of reputation amongst consumers and employees for a quick payday in the nineties, and now they barely exist. Craftsman used to be the most trusted and reliable midtier tool brand, and they used that reputation to sell all higher prices while slapping production costs by making crap products out of crap materials, and within five years they were a joke. Leaning on an earned reputation to blow up short term profits by cutting costs only benefits CEOs that have golden parachutes and can claim they increased profits by 400% in two quarters, leaving out that it resulted in the company going out of business. It's end game capitalism at it's finest.
@@Hotobu Gamers Nexus did a video on Micro Center and they seem great. They have physical locations, which I've been to in the past and had positive experiences with. They have a website but it looks like a lot of it is in-store only. Amazon is pretty convenient and sometimes the best option but if I can give my money to someone other than Bezos I try
@@nickpz Microcenter isn't in my city
Bit like Dell had with its reputation, Newegg went and did the same thing, totally destroyed their own good name.
I'm composing a letter to Newegg letting them know that I was literally about to purchase a GPU from them until I watched this video along with your previous investigation. I've told them that they are nothing short of a bunch of crooks who belong in a courtroom defending themselves over a variety of of charges. These criminals just keep getting away with it. Your videos should go mainstream and also be played in a big modal that flashes up every time anyone goes to their website(s). thanks for yet another entertaining expose.
What exactly have they done that was even remotely illegal lol.......lay off the drugs man
@@drunkhusband6257 Have another drink.
@@ronjones-6977 Ok boomer
Buying from newegg is fine lmfao. Have fun losing out on the deals I guess
Newegg is really wanting a spot in the disappointment build for 2022
They’ll be the sponsor for that video
At this point GN gonna be coming out with Disappointment Company 2022 as well
@@OptimalMayhem nah, they'll be the vendor.
They are giving Artesian a run for their money, but if GN did a "Worst Retailer" spot I'd bet on Katz' train wreck of a company.
GN has been on a roll the past couple of months. appreciate all you guys do!
More like newegg is on a roll in the past months, a super bad one lmao
@@awepizza rolling down a steep cliff is all the rolling they do
The way I see it, those brands/companies are the ones rolling. Rolling waaaay down a big fat hill. Maybe down mount TechSinai but I'd hate to suggest Newegg is Moses
Killing it for sure. A staple of RUclips.
With how much GN seems to be benefitting from Newegg doing dumb things it might make one start seeing conspiracies.
Expect the evidence is that GN has integrity.
20 blissful minutes of tearing NewEgg apart. This is gold.
(Reach out) the name above
To acknowledge a prize 🎉🎉
I love the knew style of videos, the humor is on point while not distracting from the video. Really appreciate this, you guys are invaluable to the industry at this point.
Amazing how Gamers Nexus put more work in investigating JustGPU than Newegg spent developing it..
No no, you misunderstood. JustGPU isn’t about accurate information, it’s about making sure people click through and buy. I’m sure they tested that part very thoroughly.
Newegg: “we need to get rid of these before the next generations launches”
Also Newegg: you want a 3070 TI? The best I can do is $750… but you get 4 free games that you’d probably would not buy normally
Well....2 games and some dlc 😂🤡😉
@@CragScrambler "doom enteral doom eternal and doom eternal definitely four separate games"
- Paul Hardware news (forgot what episode but it included the one where Steve got age-gated).
"Oh, and two of those games are actually DLC for the first one."
The thing is, as soon as the next cards launch, and they will launch for a price, people will have no trouble buying the old stock.
*"...but you get 4 free games..."*
You get 2 games and 2 expansions.
"We're doing click-bait wrong" - I literally spit out my drink on my monitor. 😂
I love the animations for highlighting things, you guys have come a long way.
Honestly, I love the precise and accurate shots fired at shady corporations just as much as I enjoy the great reviews, nowadays.
Tbh i love these more
It's really funny that GN, specifically Steve, literally handed them the rope to pull themselves out of the hole Newegg dug themselves into with scummy tactics and still manages to find a way to hang themselves with it. It's like the guy who once robbed you barehanded trying to rob you wearing gloves now, but you still know who it is because you can still see their face.
Way to go Newegg, now you've managed to lose even more trust from possible consumers and it's not like they had much to begin with.
Steve: here I will help you guys up.
NE: starts to put rope around neck.
Steve: 🤦♂️
Imagine they were dumping thousands into this probably a year ago when they started building this site. Just for Steve to put them on blast as they're trying to release this site.
I feel like someone needs to do a meme with Newegg as the christmas santa robber from Friday After Next here.
i dont watch all gn videos, what did Steve propose?
@@BeHappyTo Essentially, to just stop being so inept while offering insights on how to achieve that and how best to win back consumer confidence. Basically Steve was trying to kind of help them save themselves so other companies don't have more of a monopoly on being a PC parts supplier. Pretty much took that advice and ran the other way with it.
Thank you guys for always showing us what is up with the shady doings of Newegg.
You would think after shining some light on their problems, they would try to go with a more consumer friendly approach. Instead, they try to pass this website off as its own entity, while the teeny tiny text on the bottom of the web page is right there for everyone to not see.
For such a website I'm not surprised they are calling 1440p resolution a "2K"
Everyone I know says 2K
Which is incorrect, if you're talking about 1440p (2560x1440).
1080p (1920x1080) is a 2K resolution though, so there it would be correct.
Imagine being called out and having a very visible meeting with GN and thinking the best course of action is to double down on lane tactics. Wild.
It works though, that's why. For the price of a few underpaid employees who make this site they gain many, many idiot buyers. 90% of people who buy GPUs aren't tech literate. Or even have an IQ in the triple digits.
They just can't help themselves. It's as if not scamming people causes them physical discomfort.
That's just how they operate these days. Whoever owns them now clearly doesn't care about the previous reputation they once had, but rather they only care about making money with as little effort as possible. They live by that sword and they'll die by that sword.
corpos gonna corp
WTF is "Lane tactics"?
The icing on the cake is how their approximated numbers make GPU's appear to have worse performance scaling. Genius method to sell high end GPUs!
LOL... I've noticed that too.
It's like going to a Toyota dealership, and the salesman would be like: "Hey, don't buy this Lexus RX 350, that Corolla SE is better!"
Maybe they're hoping for repeat purchases once the 40-series releases, and they're downplaying performance so that when the new gen comes out, they can make the gap look bigger, and people who bought a card only to have it immediately "obsolete" might be tempted to re-upgrade? Not sure what else makes sense. Or maybe on the low end, crap cards like the 6400 aren't selling compared to the 6600.
Prob find they want to shift much higher inventory of the lower end cards than high end, so tell non-savvy visitors that a $450 card will run games at same frame rate as a $2000, they will think they got one hell of a deal saving $1500 to get exact same performance.
You'd think if anything they'd make the high end look better since those cards are imminently getting the old yeller treatment while the mid and low end will stick around for longer.
They probably have most excess inventory with some of the lower end cards like the RX6400 considering how bad some of them are. As expensive as the 3080/6800XT level cards are, they at least perform well, whereas the low end cards are literally worse than a used RX570.
this video is definitely better than previous videos because the video length is longer
newegg reminded me of a quote from the dark knight: you either die a hero or you live long enough to see your self a villain
So strange that they've gone from my go-to place to buy hardware since the early-mid 2000s to someone I don't really trust and will attempt to avoid each time I need a computer part. Very unfortunate for the personal computer enthusiast industry. I've purchased literally every part for a PC for multiple personal builds over the last 15+ years. Now I'd be worried that I'd get a broken part and they'd blame me.
That is a far cry from the service I'd used to get, such as a new PSU taking a dump after five days and them sending me a replacement with very few questions asked.
Something-something, you either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.
That's what often happens when companies change ownership. Sometimes it can lead to improvements but often it's a downgrade. In this case we know the service issues that have been reported and the forced bundling of products with GPUs. So this is just the latest step in downgrading the company.
A chinese company bought out Newegg years ago and that's when the problems developed.
@@animejanai4657 aha! This makes perfect sens.
Yep, no more newegg for me.
When it comes down to protecting PC enthusiasts and consumers and when compared to other outlets, GN is a 10-slot RUclips channel running at 7000MHz that measures 1 meter long! (Note: These numbers are approximations.) Thanks again for more great work!
But only runs games at 60fps on New Egg’s - sorry! just GPU- benchmarks
I'd say they run at over 9000 MHz 😉
0:36
Petition for GN to include MAX GPU LENGTH in their future benchmark suite!
It's a vital performance metric!
The one that immediately stood out to me was "Apex Legends" which remains pegged at @140fps no matter what cpu/gpu config you throw at it and no matter what resolution. That was the moment I knew the whole thing was sus. Thank you for making this vid and exposing yet more corporate fckery.
Apex isn't gonna get 140fps with any cpu/gpu combo at higher resolutions....the hell are you talking about
@@drunkhusband6257 he isnt saying it does.. Hes pointing out that one of the most popular games out right now happens to "run great" according to newegg on all the gpus theyre selling, which is very clearly not the case
Love seeing these companies squirm. They tried to rip us off for 2 years, let them take the hit they deserve
They sold so many GPUs above MSRP for years. Surely, that surplus of funds can sustain them through this trying time. Right?
@@RoboticEmotion Yes, but Newegg is a public company. The rules of capitalism require that the profits rise every quarter or the company will be shunned. They will surely lose quite a bit of margin and they will likely have to sell at a loss eventually. They may have problems getting new investors when their profits go down and in a recession this can be devastating. They may loose most of the profits they made in the last years. But thats just a theory...
@@RoboticEmotion I believe it was the AIB's more than the retailers that did the scalping.
@@RoboticEmotion You forget, all that profit went to bonuses. Now the company needs more money to pay the C suite raises.
@@killersberg1 that isn't a requirement of publicly traded companies at all lol. Also, you know what hurts your profits? Going out of business because you lose all your customers.
I'm curious as to why Newegg has fallen so far from relative grace. It's amusing how scummy they've gotten.
I'm 100% certain they started going downhill when they got acquired by that chinese company in 2016.
@@sylvo1057 I just wanted to ask, if they had a management change.
But if they are now owned by a company from the most scummy country in the world, then that would make sense.
@@hubertnnn Based.
I have been building my own computers for over 20 years and have always tried to avoid Newegg, mainly because of their shitty return policies and shipping costs. Looking at my shopping history, the only things I have bought from them in the last decade has been digital games and gift cards. Point is, I do not believe they have ever been an exemplary company.
@@Crenust I never had a problem returning items to Newegg though. And they always paid for shipping. Granted I stopped buying from Newegg in 2016 when they were purchased by a Chinese company so I do not know what their current returns are like.
This is why I love Gamers Nexus. Steve and the gang make sure you know the real deal with stuff, and if it's trash info or dependable. Gonna look at buying more merch. This helps keep me up-to-date on tech I don't have time to read about anymore. Thanks GN.
God I love Steve..honestly so little content actually appeals to my humor. Your " we're doing click bait wrong" bit gave me my first out loud laugh of the week...on friday
Also, I can't help but point out how a bar chart for comparing 2 things is least useful when the bars start at the same point then spread apart. The point of comparisons is to see both tips of the bars side by side, not as far apart as possible.
If you're trying to use a chart to visualize data then spreading the number values as far from eachother as will fit on the screen is the diametric opposite of that goal. It accomplishes data visualisation in literally the worst possible way imaginable. I can't even think up a sarcastic way of making a chart less useful than spreading values apart to compare them especially without grids, scales, or any context whatsoever. Even pie charts would be more useful graphic representations of comparisons in this case.
Thank god we don't need to compare real data though, given the numbers were made up and rounded estimates based off of unrelated synthetic benchmark (singular, not plural) anyway lol.
TLDR this should be illegal. How is consumer protection bureau not all over this? You can't just play dumb and pretend this is an honest mistake, they're intending to mislead consumers that a triple slot card is better than a dual slot card, as if you're paying for real estate. They're preying on consumers not knowing better when they're advertising themselves as informing consumers, then sending victims to their own retail site to make purchases based on the misinformation. This is categorical fraud, like wtf.
I agree with you, the bars should have spread apart from each other vertically not horizontally.
IMHO they are trying to "reproduce" street fighter" the game including the "choose your fighter" line and the bar charts are your "health meter"
@@riothero313 what.
@@jasonriddell makes no sense, but ok i guess
yes
It's hilarious to me that Newegg being stuck with a ton of 30 series GPUs, created a whole ass website full of fake benchmarks instead of lowering prices. Really makes you think...
Could be that can't go any lower or risk losing money on sales.
If that is the case then let them suffer.
@@zacharytaylor8523 I wouldn't be surprised if the current prices were selling them at cost. But new cards will come out, prices will continue to drop. I'm certainly not paying over 60% MSRP for a 2 year old card about to become last gen. I'll just keep waiting.
Fuck all them!
@@zacharytaylor8523 aslong as they’re above MSRP they deserve no sales
@@zacharytaylor8523 But making a website, especially one like this is also expensive.
A strange phenomenon I've noticed at 5:36 is that Apex stays exactly at 140 fps no matter the resolution and the cpu selected. Same with Elden Ring but at 60 fps. There's others that didn't seem to change much at all as well.
Elden Ring makes sense since it's locked to 60 fps... But then why include it in the first place?
With all the dubious behavior at New Egg lately I bought parts for my new machine from Micro Center. Was a great experience, I went in with a list of components, and I left with a better set of components for less money than what I had on my original list. I doubt I'll ever go back to New Egg even if they do (and I hope they do) straighten out their act.
they aren't stuck with them... they just don't want to lose their margin on them. They could easily get rid of their stock if they introduced price reductions like retailers who have a surplus of product have been doing for centuries.
Yeah, just rip the bandaid off already. It'll sting a lot less than holding dead inventory when the new stuff comes out.
I don't think it'll be dead inventory. It'll sell after stock of the new stuff is gone and the prices drop. Why would they drop the prices before they relea as the next gen?
they have done some aggressive price reductions on some of their products. But they should do more. As others have said, the longer those old cards sit there the less they'll be worth. Unless crypto makes a huge comeback and doesn't move to proof of stake
@@limitisillusion7 Maybe because nobody is buying them? Duh!
@@mjkittredge I imagine it's only a matter of time before crypto comes back. So if I were in the market for a graphics card, I would buy soon...
I legitimately laughed my ass off about slot number and card length being on the graph.
I won't settle for anything less than a quad-sized slot length!
It was the 1 extra slot that influenced my decision lol
Just know that when we are both taking a leak in a public toilet, my graphics card is longer than yours
To be honest I would like to see the card actual length on spec to make diy decisions, but still, getting it on graph is so much fun.
I'd NEVER buy a GPU from a company who knows so little about hardware that they call '1440p' "2k". 1440p is NOT "2k"
When a res is referred to as 480p/720p/1080p is reffers to the nearest vertical pixel count
When a res is referred to as 4k/8k it refers to the nearest horizontal pixel count
So, "2k" is ACTUALLY 1080p as the 1920p horizontal pixel count is closer to "2k" than the 2560p of a 1440p monitor, If anything, 1440p is 2.5k
Enjoy your basic pixel lesson for the day
Builders are so lucky to have the instant access to knowledge and information like you guys for example provide. One of my guys was Patrick Norton, and the show the Screensavers as well. There were of course others. The point is, people like yourselves are essential to the continued advancement of home computing, and of course Gaming. Thanks for forcing all involved in the process of making our parts and software to 'keep it real.'
And there are people won't name names that would like to put a stop to it so all reviews can be sun shine and roses. Because if you give a bad review of a pro8your hater now.
@@evacody1249 I hope any effort to make reviews or good advise a negative thing and or puntative is not allowed to flourish in any way. As content creators we out here are counting on you. Refuse to do it, unionize or whatever else it takes to remain honest and true to the work you do. You are all vital is my opinion on that.
I love how Gamers Nexus has become the consumer watchdog for us. Keep it up man.
I can tell Newegg really want to sell their GPU. I would never see this type of advertise during the shortage.
And YT started this video with, you guessed it, a JustGPU advertisement.
I just came across this website earlier today and now found your video about it. The prices of the GPU’s are good and im finding lower prices on their “justgpu” website compared to the normal Newegg website for some reason.
the frustrating thing about the whole 1440p=2K thing is that its not only wrong (2K is 1080p, 1440p is 2.5K [assuming a ~16:9 aspect ratio]) but most people consider it to be a small enough detail as to think its not worth correcting
Don't even get me started on how many "no, you're wrong!!!" I've gotten for trying to explain to people that 2k is 1080p.
Not to mention HD, 4K etc are meaningless marketing terms for most part
Ya fellow “resolution nerd” here too, it’s funny how few people understand what those numbers mean
I mean 1080p is 2 073 600 pixels. 1440p is 3 686 400 so a 77.77% increase, not small at all
2k is 2 211 840 pixel and so a increase from 1080p of 6.66%...
So yeah not a small rounding error
Even 4k isn't really 4k: the term is from cinema packaging where the aspect ratio is different for every title, so they measure by fitting it in a 2:1 aspect box and measuring the width, because most cinema is larger than 2:1 and thus is limited by the width.
So in short, 4k is supposed to be fitting a 4096x2048 box, not the 3840x2160 resolution that is actually the continuation of the computer/TV resolutions and nothing to do with cinema packaging.
It's started by ether OPPO or OnePlus, I don't remember know exactly. And then picked up by many uneducated marketing managers, which are still hijacking 2K article on Wiki, reverting all edits.
Remember when Newegg used to be the Knight in Shining Armor of the tech industry? If there was a patent troll being taken down, it was likely Newegg doing it. Now, as much as I dislike Amazon, I often look there for components. MicroCenter, please build a few dozen stores in the northeast.
Being a white knight doesn't make money for the chinese investors that bought it in 2016.
Newegg went downhill when Liaison bought them back in 2016. Before then, yes, they were my go to site for PC components. I've bought a few things here and there since then, but only when their price was materially better and/or I couldn't find it anywhere else.
There's a Micro Center 15 mins away from me. I love the store. Great prices and very good staff.
There's people working there, 15+ years.
Yeah, I used to buy from Newegg. Great user reviews were helpful. Then they started selling other stuff. So when I'm searching for a product, I was getting non computer parts in the search results. Add the 3rd party resellers... It became a mess.
I've not been on the Newegg website on over 10 years. Besides Microcenter takes care of most of my needs (not all).
I really hope Microcenter expands, there's such a need for them as things like this keep happening, having to choose between NewEgg and Amazon?? Horrendous.
The California shipping center for Newegg is terrible. They sent me a GPU with no padding in a cardboard box and guess what? It was bent in half. Had to RMA. Avoid!!
Wow, really love those "size" benchmark bar charts. Also thanks for spilling the beans on who does reviewers dirty so we know who to avoid. Is there a summary of these ASRock-like companies somewhere?
As an Australian, it’s always funny seeing this kind of stuff happening overseas. Our consumer law watchdog (the ACCC) would absolutely SLAM DOWN on retailers doing this sort of stuff. Interestingly enough, one of our biggest retailers (PC Case Gear) actually just put links to Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed reviews/comparisons on the page for big or popular products to allow people to make up their own mind when they compare it to other products.
how many times have msy and umart been pogged by the accc at this point? gotta be at least 4 each
why do you guys hate black people then?
Pccasegear also refuse returns for unfit for purchase products and advertise as in stock products that haven't entered the country yet. Their communication is bad, they take months to warranty a single motherboard and their customer service is horrible and uninterested in helping the customer.
Careful who you trust just because of them using GN videos in their product listings.
@@chadmed I still fondly recall when MSY was forced to display "WE RIPPED PEOPLE OFF AND THE ACCC FOUND OUT" all over their website
PC Case Gear have recently refunded a faulty mobo I bought from them with no drama. Compared to dodgy retailers like PLE they are very good. They seem somewhat legit.
From personally waiting a year in a EVGA wait list for my GPU, seeing people fight for overpriced aged GPUs and general chaos, to companies being unable to sell said GPUs. This world is a strange place.
Same
From my experience the EVGA waitlist was a scam in and of itself. They put me on the list, but then pretty much never made another GPU of the SKU I wanted again because it was a standard 3080 without a $300 cooler they could upcharge for.
i m evga list since 2020 LUL . evga europe that is
@@rojovision same I wanted the 3080 "basic" right after launch and got an email last month stating the wait list is NOLONGER a thing as inventory is normalized and had links to then still overpriced 3080 FTWs and 3090 Ti's way on "sale"
Everyone was saying just wait unless you had no gpu at all but people wanted to pay scalpers out of impatience which just perpetuated the problem
Powerful you have become Steve. Shady actors and their tactics are trembling because of your journalism. You are a hero keeping them in check and together we can set new standards.
New Egg used to be so awesome. They were my go to back in 2009-2010.
It didn't take me long to realize I was no better off buying stuff from Newegg than I would be buying it from Ebay.
Wouldn't go that far
@@Chironex_Fleckeri yea. At least ebay has buyer protection
It's mind boggling how much effort these companies make to try obvious low quality scams over and over again, and no drama can stop them
Because even "low quality scams" work. Most people in this world are not GN viewers
It’s because the sites are aimed at those who don’t know better & are more likely to buy the items New Egg, sorry, Just GPU want to shift fast. Why buy a RTX3080ti when according to them a RTX 3060 will run games at exact same frame rate?
This is a direct result of their rep taking a bruising last time too. People don’t trust Newegg? Time for Joey jo jo schabadoo egg gpu site!
NEW EGG is screwing themselves over also as they "show" most buyers will only need the lower tier VS "normal" sales tactics of up selling the HIGH tier for more profits
@@jasonriddell They are dumping stock before the 4000 series come out, so they are not "screwing themselves". You usually have more stock of the cheaper stuff
No Steve..., you should be callling these people out...naming them...that's how you help the customer...and It's, generally, one of the reasons I like this channel....calling out the bullshit....so call them out. Don't take the "easy road" and leave the customer to figure this out the hard way.
"boss, we have too much inventory, we need to shift it. do we get rid of it by respecting our customers and giving them what they want?"
"no, fetch my degree in web design"
Userbenchmark, GPUboss and JustGPU, the top misleading websites of benchmarking! Good job GN. Time to expose more bad practices. Newegg could give space for others to screw over tho lmao.
I am curious, isn't there a false advertising law in US that could shut all those down?
@@hubertnnn they are super niche websites
@@hubertnnn There are. Technically you aren’t allowed to lie in order to sell a product.
Userbenchmark is good only to check if your PC is performing as expected because you can compare your CPU/GPU/HDD/SSD performance to other users that benchmarked the same components, it isn't perfect as other people may test parts that are overclocked or benchmark them while doing something in background making the average score go up and down a little bit, but it is simple and relatively fast test I like to do on PCs. However, yes, for comparing between multiple CPU or GPU models it truly is misleading as many times it does not represent true difference in performance. Intel CPUs usually have higher average score that AMD counterparts even though they perform similarly in gaming or productivity. Different GPU architecture have weird average scores too, RX 6600 have a score of 77.7% while RTX 2060 have 88.5%, which doesn't make any sense when in gaming RX 6600 performance is closer to RTX 3060, definitely higher than a 2060.
Oh man I'd kill for a GN takedown of Userbenchmark
- Certified AMD Neanderthal
THANK YOU for calling out the "2K" crap. 2K IS NOT 1440p, it's 1080p! Nobody should be using "2K" anyway...
Since Newegg is pretty much already making up these benchmark numbers, I'm suprised they didn't show larger scaling to upsell their products.
Hey, at 10:30 in the video when you compare 4 different cards to show that they all have the same fps results on their site you put the data of the RX6600 XT twice instead of a RX6700 XT in the bottom left.
Appart from that great video which clearly shows that the all Newegg drama was not a simple mistake and they didn't learn from it.
I thought Newegg learned its lesson. I guess not. My god what does it take for a company to get its head out of its ass? Keep up the good work Steve.
it takes a bankrupcy for them to realise they messed up... like some streamscammer drawing new winner ruining the whole company in the faster ever shitshow down the drain tragedy for all the employees
Money, only money does
@Jake Jones , it's the shameless principles Chinese company that owns Newegg.
multi year warranty for AA batteries? i am speechless but this made my week. Thank you GN!
Triple slot means three and dual slot means two? Thank you, Newegg! I had no idea you were such great English teachers!
4:16 you didn't even have to say it. userbenchmark popped into all our heads.
(Reach out) the name above
To acknowledge a prize 🎉.
I was one of Newegg's first customers back in 2001 and still have the four 80GB Maxtor PATA drives used in my first RAID5 array. My last order was back 2017 and I have no desire to order from them ever again. So sad to see Newegg as a shell (pun not intended) of their former self.
Steve: how scummy could a website get?
Newegg: back to you Steve.
Newegg did an amazing job discrediting themselves openly and publicly, well done 👍 guys!!!
Great video. I am curious as to how NewEgg thought this would be "Useful" is beyond me. What else can NewEgg do to make themself's look worse
Oh Newegg, you just keep falling down that flight of stairs, don't you?
They keep falling down the never ending stairs from Mario 64.
At this point Steve is just like that one fish from the Spongebob meme: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?"
Loved that BULSH... title at 15:39, editing is on point
30 series continues to be disastrous 2 years later
Benchmark: A simulation of performance for X product(s).
New Egg: A simulation of a simulation of performance for boosting our margins.
Back to you Steve.
NEW NEW EGG: how much (inhales) money (inhales) do u got? I have a bench warmer to see ee-f comparable "PERFORMANCE" ANY GAMER would want.
i bought a 6900xt from them that never arrived. i complained, and next thing you know they found the package and it was on it's way back to newegg.
I did same with ssd had to phone them few times until they sent it.Crap customer service too
I remember when I checked out that website and saw the benchmarks on all the games with the clean numbers I knew something was up.
Great video. If I could offer a small piece of advice, I'd suggest that you don't eat a bag of pork rinds before setting up the Be Quiet case for the ad.
This would be alright if the data was correct, but this is downright slimy. Would this theoretically count as false advertising?
That little disclaimer of the numbers being an approximation makes it so its not which is total BS. Everything serves these huge companies that are in every politicians pocket.
It should, but unfortunately their disclaimer about the benchmarks being estimations probably frees them of any legal recourse.
@@mwborger7 yeah youre probably right, i wish you couldnt pull numbers out of your ass and just add a little disclaimer which males it okay
@@mwborger7 Imagine laws being so flimsy that as long as you say "estimation" you're free to estimate it as loosely as you please. I bet the next thing they'll try and get away with is "estimating" the charge to your credit card.
@@mwborger7 this toyota corolla has 500hp* at the wheels
*power figure is an estimate
Yeah, still false advertising. Laziness is the simplest, best case scenario and does not excuse misleading customers. If you cant take the effort to produce accurate information, you should STFU when marketing or selling your product imo
I'm a simple man. I see a GN investigation, I hit like, then comment for the algorithm.
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Thank you so much for doing this. It is so helpful for knowledgeable sites, such as yours, to hold sellers and producers to account. Sadly there are going to be many people who fall for these predatory tactics. I'm disappointed in Newegg, but not surprised.
I wonder if I’ve been a Patreon support long enough, but then videos like this give me reason to keep the support flowing.
Thanks again, GN, for revealing these anti-consumer practices.
Newegg, you were already in hot water and you reached out of the pot and turned the burner UP. WTF!
Newegg scamming again? No way! Never would have expected something from such a reputable company! They would certainly never mislead anyone about products they are selling!
Newegg is owned by Chinese , so reputable is not a word to associated with them . sorry they never have been reputable ever , I been let down many times by them , every monitor I bought from them failed after 30 days , they refuse to refund even tho it took 3 weeks to ship , I only had for 1 week , total scam Chinese company. Avoid .
@@skywalker1991 Not owned by Chinese, it was a merger, huge difference.
N.E: "But then I have to do work. and I DON'T LIKE DOING WORK!"
Looks like someone at Newegg is watching… clock speed has been removed from the bar chart now
"Dual slot... that means" **Taps Head** "...two"
Top Tier journalism. NewEgg just keeps giving us better content
Unfortunately, I do know techs who actually use the term 2k to refer to 1440p. I really wish I could dissuade them, but they're stuck in their ways.
Man in this day and age people are so fed up with corporate greed and corruption. These companies need to tighten up not pull a bunch of punches
In early 2018, customers in the state of Connecticut were notified that Newegg had not collected state sales tax due on out-of-state purchases in the past three years. Newegg was given a choice of collecting such tax in the future or turning over customer information to the state's Department of Revenue Services, which would require customers to file a sales tax form for the past three years of purchases. Newegg chose to furnish the customer information;[42] as Newegg did not have a physical presence in Connecticut, Newegg believed it did not need to collect state sales tax from the ruling in Quill Corp. v. North Dakota. Connecticut's Department of Revenue Services later issued tax bills to these customers.[43]
I have some friends that were excited that video card prices are coming down but now I've got to warn them about this bullshit before buying. Thank you for at least trying to honestly inform folks. We appreciate your always excellent service to try to help the community. o7
I cant wait to see what the prices will be in a few months! It's going to be great to see all the companies that have been inflating MSRP to get bitten by the price drops.
Unless crypto skyrocket again.
@@shane250 crypto is dead for good though
@@JohnWick-9050 Proof?
@@JohnWick-9050 I think the scams and scandals surrounding crypto have definitely soured people on the market. Enough people have lost money often enough that it doesn't look like a good investment any more.
It may rebound with new technology or with government backing but I don't think we'll see a return to what it was.
Furthemore the crack downs in china on crypto farming and governments movement to more digital currencies have also put pressure on the market.
@@Avendesora
I've been hearing that for years now. I sure hope you're right.
"2k, No one calls it that, don't call it that" I feel called out here
Hey Steve you should have a go at BEST BUY for their scummy practices during the launch of the 4090. They cancelled my order for no reason
Heh it is hard to enforce false advertising laws on something like this, but it's really something that should be done
All that money they have made with those huge markups can buy anything, including laws not applying to them. It's BS that they can flat out lie but oh they had fine print and the bottom of the page saying they are lying so its ok!
It's in the fine print.
There is a disclaimer that it is estimated values and gets values from a software that...estimates values. So any data that is "wrong" can't be used against them.
Clearly NewEgg knows better than the consumers. But what do I know I've only been with this industry for 13 years now.
18:20 You just KNOW Steve had UserBenchmark in mind when saying that
The one who shall not be named... but often shamed! :P
i love how their selling points are ''check out the FPS this card has on this game, over this card on the same game'' because they know that a lot of computer buyers dont know much about computers and usually think that more fps equal better. instead of explaining what actually makes one card better over another and why.
Newegg is an anime villain at this point. They were stopped by steve the last time they tried to be evil, said they'd do better and so steve let them go, only for them to return for another gross attempt at trying to destroy the world.
NewEgg is stuck with a bunch of GPU's they intended to sell to miners? So sad too bad. They best mark them down below cost and sell them in a hurry before the next generation hits the shelves. If it puts them out of business I'll try to not laugh too hard.
No one has ever adequately dealt with the fact that we know how many chips were made and how many cards, roughly, were made for these GPU's but those numbers are far, far higher than the numbers of cards that reached retailers or that online only retailers like NewEgg put on their website for consumers to buy. We also know that the big SI's had little if any issues with card inventory and that the enterprise world had no issues getting cards. Where in the stream were the miners getting the cards? Were the AIB partners selling to them directly? Were the big online only retailers diverting them? Does anyone really believe it was bots buying them off websites anymore?
Let's be real here, Nvidia, AIB's, and OEM's were selling directly to mining firms. Can i prove that in a court of law? No. But I don't need to, all we need to do is sit back and watch Nvidia's earnings call. Which is right around the corner and scheduled for the 24th of this month. Just kick back grab a 🍺 some 🍿
"Nvidia (NASDAQ: NVDA) is slated to report its second-quarter results for fiscal 2023 (the May to July 2022 period) after the market closes on Wednesday, Aug. 24. An analyst conference call is scheduled for the same day at 5 p.m. ET."
www.nasdaq.com/articles/nvidia-earnings%3A-what-to-watch-on-aug.-24
For smaller, 10-20 card operations, probably. Bots aren't hard to run, after all.
As with everything that's happening at-scale, it's a bit of everything. Bots bought up the public stock, distributors sold directly to miners, etc. It all happened.
It's funny to me when people act like this is some kind of secret illegal activity or that they caught companies up in somthing....They sell products, they don't care who is buying them and gAmErS don't deserve them more than anyone else
@@samgoff5289 Found the jaggoff cryptobro. Some of the direct sales to miners WERE illegal you numpty.
Crawl back in your hole and find some other scam to get ripped off by. Gaming GPUs _actually are_ for gamers.
Newegg using the "bigger is better" mindset in the graphs makes it seem like they're compensating for something🤔
Not long ago, you made some very interesting Videos about Newegg and now they decided to make sure to take Shadyness to the next Level KEKW