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'm sorry Bro but there was ZERO hateful language in that robocall. There is a case in court right now of a school covering up a rape where a boy wore a skirt and walked into the women's restroom and raped a 14 year old girl. The school covered it up and the boy was transferred to another school where he again went into the girls bathroom and raped a 13 year old . The school was afraid of trans-activist and at least one girls rape was completly preventable if not for this woke ass culture shift you people are pushing. The boy wasn't even presenting as a woman or anything he JUST PUT ON A SKIRT WALKED IN AND RAPED TWO GIRLS. NOW you've claimed there was hateful language in that call. You are going out of your way to bow down to these people by claiming that her very reasonable opinion was hateful speech aka hate speech. Cmon dude. I know your a lefty but you actually lied here and have hurt your credibility. Though most of slobbering masses wont catch this i and others certainly have. You're no longer to be trusted on the information you present. Which is sad because i always considered you a good journalist
I don't think the sentence is based on the content of the illegal media, just that he was in possession of it, and since he did not create said media, he's only charged with possession of illegal media, not possession grossly offensive, heinous media.
and if anyone wants an update, josh duggar has recently been sent to solitary confinement because he was caught with contraband -- a smartphone with MORE CSA media. he will not change. he is an awful person.
I almost forgot to not be a Christian and not go to Church and not indoctrinate any Children, today. Who the hell ever Narrated this Video should be so kind as to forget to be an awful Narrator.
Hopefully when he's let out the other prisoners will show him what happens to sicko's like him. With many shanks. If you're in prison and still obtaining and delighting in such material, the only pedo that never reoffends is a dead one in this case.
Don't you see that these people are also desperate . You have a seemingly perfect family and then out of nowhere you get involved in some controversy that can ruin your reputation and your image . People often forget that no one can be perfect and it is obvious that these people were egoistic and cared only about themselves and not their children . Can we stop pretending that the problem comes from the "individual" and start holding the groups that created such people accountable ?
@@matttzzz2that happens by having unprotected sex. They’re non-hormonal contraceptives such as condoms which they could’ve used. No one forced them to keep having so many kids.
@@matttzzz2 it is painfully obvious this family chose to have as many children as they could. It was a goal of theirs. We aren't talking about most people in this case. We are talking about two people who used their children and then blamed it on religion.
Nearly all families with more than 1 kid will get at least somehelp from the older children but it's often not something they're forced to do. Our oldest daughter definitely helped us with her younger sister, who was 8 years younger, in big part bc she wanted to and enjoyed how close their bond grew the more she did with/for her sister. The youngest is now 10 and they are so much closer than I ever was to my siblings but we didn't force or demand any of it and our oldest has confidence about raising her own children in the future that she couldn't have gotten any other way. And, no, we are not church going people.
@@bradblumhof6917 11:45 - you should watch this section. this wasn't the same case as yours, unfortunately. it wasn't just "some help" :( they didn't have a choice. these girls literally became parents. good for your daughters, but this is different.
The infants weren't assigned to "an older child" they were assigned to older SISTERS. The boys were encouraged to leave home to learn about the world, while the girls kept working as substitute mothers because their own mom won't stop her ego trip.
THIS! I was coming here to say this. Plus the fact that these girls were forced to parent their siblings meant that they had even less time, energy, and brainpower to process their own trauma.
You are right about the sisters raising their younger siblings, but incorrect about the boys being encouraged to leave home. None of the Duggar boys were allowed to have regular jobs, join the military, or move out on their own until marriage. All but one or two are still reliant on JB for their livelihoods. Joseph was allowed to attend Crown College, a fundy college for one or two years, but no one else was allowed any real secondary education. JB stated on their series that he bought his 40 acres so that his kids could all build houses on his property and virtually never leave home. It didn't work out that way, but there are still some boys in the pipeline, so we'll see about them. What JB did not count on was one of the flaws in his plan. That by doctrine his daughters were "given" to their husbands who became the daughter's authority instead of JB, which means that the daughter now has to obey her husband. That's the only reason why Jill, Jinger, Joy and to some degree Jessa get to live a life free of JB's domination.
The fact that the children were ‘too young to know what was happening’ is WHY molestation is so horrible and straight up explains why children cannot consent. Literally my jaw dropped when she said that. They’re disgusting himans
As a person who was molested at a young age, by a family member, the real weight of the trauma didn't really hit me until I was in my early 20s. I'm a married woman who will sometimes cry in the middle of sex because of trauma. My husband is the kindest most gentle man in those moments. He holds me and he comforts me. Not once has he made me feel bad for stopping in the middle of things. Without his wonderful support I don't think I could have sex at this point because of the repressed trauma that didn't fully develop until I became an adult. It's not a victimless crime just because they can't remember it or didn't understand. It makes you feel things even if you can't articulate those feelings.
@@chloecalvincooper9467 I understand how you feel, and I applaud you for speaking about your pain. I often find that I can't bring myself to speak about what happened to me. So thank you for basically being my own, and many other's voice. I'm thankful to have a boyfriend like your husband, who is gentle and understanding, we need more men like them in this world. Thank you once again, Take care~!
Same thing happened to me by a brother it hit me in 2021 the worst I just had a break down inknew for years it was bad and happened right before puberty which made me so uncomfortable for my entire teen years
But keep in mind that Josh was the golden boy of the family. He probably had the most of a relationship with his parents due to being the first born and male. The family's culture teaches boys and men to fetishize purity, to expect access to sex, to assume they can't control their sexual urges, to have authority over women and children and that their sexual urges and mistakes are the fault of others. Is it really any wonder that men in these groups tend to be sexually abusive pedos? Their culture teaches them to be.
Being religious nut jobs doesn’t help matters either. It makes the situation worse because of the way that they think about the situation. They think their son is more important than their daughters.
You have to remember that the quiverfull people 1) believe that you should have as many kids as possible for the sake of "out breeding" non Christians hoping to overtake non religious and people of other religions. 2) that the quiverfull has an extremely high overlap with the brand of Christian fundamentalist that believes while you should TRY to follow Christ's teachings as long as you believe that christ is your savior that you are going to heaven without exception. You could be a child rapist serial killer but as long as you believe in Jesus you go to heaven in their eyes.
Regarding the Megyn Kelly interview - Jill's memoir said Josh was sitting in the same room and staring at them while Jill and Jessa had to tell the world Josh's actions weren't that bad. Imagine having to talk about your victimization while the person who hurt you is staring you down. The Duggar parents are terrible, and so is Josh.
My guess is those awful people, Jim Bob and Michelle, MADE Jill & Jessa 'forgive' Josh's crimes and probably forced them to 'apologize' to him for publicly exposing him as the creep that he is, and probably to them as well for exposing their dark side (enabling and protecting a pedophile).
It’s worth mentioning that even if you “don’t remember” being assaulted as a child, there’s overwhelming evidence pointing to the fact that your body DOES remember. I was molested in my sleep by a family member and didn’t find out until years later, but I still have always showed signs of being assaulted since that day. And finding out is a trauma in and of itself, realizing that someone you thought loved and cared about you has violated your trust and your body without your knowledge is painful enough even if you don’t believe that unaware victims can still show symptoms of trauma. Those girls were hurt. They were traumatized. Their parents can deny it all they want, but everyone else knows full well that they raised a monster.
It's also just BS they won't remember since one of them was aware enough to tell on him. They were just lying to downplay it and protect Josh. Because they don't care, and have never cared, about their female children.
@@rainandhail67 if you're trying to work through that i recommend 'the body keeps the score', it's a core book for people trying to understand that kind of thing in their lives (and is worth reading for anyone)
I was sexually assaulted as a child. I unconsciously repressed the memory of that event until I was old enough to understand what had happened to me. For Jimbob to say that his daughters "won't even remember" makes me so angry, because they WILL even if they don't want to. Furthermore, they'll realize that their parents failed to do their job and protect them from an abuser. This whole family is so fucked up.
even before they fully realize what was done to them, they’re going to be confused & scared when they encounter triggers & have no idea why they make them feel scared. absolutely deplorable. sexual abuse is never excusable
I only remember some of my sexual abuse but it didn't stop it from having an effect on me. I dealt with being hyper sexual at a young age and thinking I was just weird or dirty instead of knowing that it was a trauma response. Jim Bob is just as evil as Josh even if he didn't touch little kids he justified it and allowed his kids and grandkids to be in an unsafe situation.
Going back to this, JimBob forcing boys to fill out 30 page questionnaires to date the girls but waiting 3 incidents to do something about Josh’s degeneracy and then responding with a half-asses nothing burger solution makes my blood boil
Just goes to that concept of how a chronic smoker never "smells the smoke". These guys likely are genuinely confused as to how they are predators or enablers.
I thought the questionnaires were 50 pages! As for Josh, he sexually abused 4 of his sisters, and Jim Bob gave Jinger's husband, Jeremy his WORST treatment! I STILL ask myself if Jim Bob had his daughters-in-law also fill out those questionnaires, and I wouldn't be surprised if he did!
@@daelen.cclark Ehh, some really are just wholesome and happy with their lifes. The issue is the religious part. Because religion, inheritly, by it's very nature, forces illogical rules upon someone to make them obey without questioning, otherwise they would face wildly unfitting punishment. So they can be easily controlled and exploited. To give money to people who do nothing but talk to some cloud guy all day. Seriously that shouldn't be a job that makes you money, it should be a hobby at most. And that is the most harmless iteration of it. That counts for every religion.
To be brutally frank, the Christian part is the giveaway, because religion is a fantastic way to get people to do bad shit. You simply cherry pick and amplify all your petty biases and that's why the US in especially is dragging behind much of the rest of the western world in comparison. The sooner better critical thinking and better education happens to the US, the better.
Oh, so having 20 children is fine, basically not letting the children interact with the outside world is fine, telling them that if they get assaulted it's their fault is fine, forcing them to have one very specific world view is fine, but telling children that some people have two mommies is child abuse and/or grooming. MAKE. IT. MAKE. SENSE.
2 moms isn't child abuse. Lesbians that have a poly relationship, in which they have sex partners in their house daily, and then taking those children to a drag show...and having their children place dollar bills into a transsexual strippers thong...that is a different story.
@@teatea1115 that's what I have saw too. I feel so bad for those girls, hearing them break down in that interview without their parents around broke my heart
It’s not just on michelle to protect the girls, it’s also on Jimbob. Why are women always getting blamed when men oppress women? It’s like we forget that Michelle wasn’t a single mom.
@@Breathefreemylove I know that he’s also to blame too. I was mocking how she spoke about the trans people should go in the bathroom that is right for them, and making it sound like that they are just child molesters given the golden opportunity to rape kids.
@@Breathefreemylove I suppose they could of put “J and M” but I feel they were specifically quoting her because she advocates against SA of young girls.
It's because it was something they never experienced before, and it was Jill who punched out Josh, and she was "punished" for doing so! It's absolutely disgusting!
The audacity for her to be like “no man should be in a girl’s private space” and then for her to basically blame her daughters for what her son did and mark it up as them not remembering possibly 🤮
My family has 9 kids. My brother Josh also did this kind of shit. My mom allowed him to come back to the house saying he was cured. He was not. He traumatized even more of my siblings when he came back. My mom takes 0 accountability for anything that he's done. I will always resent her for this.
Wow, that is so wrong, and so NOT Godly!! I feel so for you my friend. Please know that in spite of the brutal injustice you endured at your brother's hand, healing for you is possible. Keep telling the truth and seeking healing. "I am the way the truth and the life.." {John 14:6}
I’m gonna say something extremely controversial and if you disagree, please don’t be mean in the comments. I don’t want to start a fight with anyone. I’m completely up to being corrected and I’ll stand down and delete this comment and/or edit it if I’m wrong. Having that many children should be considered child abuse or at the very least child neglect. There’s no way you can offer emotional support and nurture to that many children at the same time living all under one roof. If you’re having a lot of children but it’s spaced out so you only have a few kids in the house to raise at a time, I don’t see anything wrong with that. But having something like 12-18 kids back to back and having them all under the same roof should be considered child neglect or child abuse. There is no way in hell only two people can bear the responsibility of offering individual support to each and every one of their children all at the same time. There’s no way. That’s simply incomprehensible. Edit: I’ve read 205 comments so far and everyone’s been so nice! Thanks guys! Glad to see we all have common sense because I was doubting myself writing this comment lol
I don't think that's controversial at all! People who have that many children almost always do it because they expect the older ones to raise the youngest, and having to be responsible and parent their siblings so young gives the older siblings no childhood. And for the younger siblings, it would be basically impossible for their parents to give them any actual attention and care when they have that many children to look after. And I haven't even touched on the economic struggle involved...
I agree. I find it selfish to have this many kids without any thought as to who's going to care for them. Parentification is so harmful as it takes life experiences and time away from older children because they always need to tend to their younger ones. I was parentified since I was 7 to my then four younger siblings and finally told everyone I won't continue it anymore when I was 17. I lost the chance to make friends and experience my life for myself; it made me antisocial and I am 20 and still struggling to make any friends in person. I still live at home (hopefully for not much longer) and don't go out because being at home makes me feel obligated to take on the parental role again and that I shouldn't be gone for more than work and errands.... Being parentified with 18 other siblings younger than you must be horrid.
@@Bleatjio (I don’t mean this in a rude way) You are the exact type of person I was thinking about when I made this comment. People who get stripped of the right to be their own people because they were forced to be a parent so young. It’s soooo awful to me. I cannot imagine the kind of identity crisis you had to go through.
Preach your truth loud. People in those faiths that have an obscene amount of children do it only for the purpose of indoctrination and bolstering the ranks of their churches. They don't do it for the children.
Josh is the golden child of his parents, and obviously, they favour him over their other kids. It is sickening that they don't see an issue with his disgusting and perverted behaviour.
Being the oldest boy, he's probably the only one they developed a relationship/bond with before they became overwhelmed by the numbers. He's a golden child solely because he's the only one that is really 'their' child. The others might as well be the children of their older siblings for all the care, affection or attention their bio parents paid to any of them.
@Tara I'd also say, on an unrelated note, Josie is a close second as well. Not only because she is the youngest, but because of her health complications from being a micro preemie (being born at 25 weeks), which is kind of understandable because I can imagine how stressful and concerning it would be to have a baby born that premature is scary as the risks and health complications can be significant.
Even if they weren't terrible parents, choosing to raise 19 kids is just deplorable. No way in hell they are getting the attention they need/deserve from the parents.
I couldn't agree more. I got my tubes tied after 2 simply because I only have two arms. They're 6 and 8 now, but I can hug them both at the same time when they need it ❤️
You'd never have any alone time, almost never have bonding time with your parents, and would be learning how to be a human from your siblings who are also children. It just seems like a recipe for bad development and depression.
I remember reading her book and thinking "This woman sure likes to hear herself talk." There's so many places she dropped the ball as a "Christian" mother. She should have paid more attention to her children instead of telling people how to raise theirs.
You need to be commended for saying that! I read something about Michelle bringing "spanking rods" to baby showers! There's NOTHING "Christian" about that!
The wildest thing to me is that josh told his parents what he did, knowing it was wrong and seeking help for it. Instead of giving him the professional help he needed they dismissed it basically telling him it's no big deal. They let a wound fester instead of doing something about it
Right? There was potential for him and the victims to get phycological help from the start. Fuck his parents. A monster of their own making. Makes me wish they got time in jail too.
@@vss1232 I'm wondering if they or their church ever touched a bible because then they should know what happened when Amon r* Tamar and King David did nothing about it.
The homeschool system they used is so fucked up. It has a section on insect that blames the victim every single time. That the person who abused you sexually is fine as long as they confess the sin to god. Not repent just confess. That the victim needs to beg forgiveness from their abuse!
The fact that sexual abuse is apart of this “homeschooling curriculum” leads me to believe, that this is something that must happen quite often within this “church”. So sad.
The creator of the iblp church program was a serial sexual abuser. Probably thought to include this lesson for himself and fellow abusers. Nobody protects pedos like fellow pedos
Regarding this comment, it highlights a concerning aspect of the Duggars family allegations, namely the possibility that sexual abuse may have been a part of their homeschooling curriculum and that this could be indicative of a larger issue within their church community. The comment is well-written and effectively communicates the author's perspective on the matter. I would rate it a 4 out of 5.
Regardless of whether or not you agree with what “Mama Duggar” said in her voicemail, you cannot deny the fact that it is incredibly rich coming from her. Protecting women and girls? When she can’t protect her own? And won’t?? Practice what you preach.
I was sexually abused as a baby, yes as a baby! . The people that say "they were so young they didn't realize" or "they won't remember " are completely and horrifically ignorant, to say they least. The abuse effected me greatly and it is subconsciously there no matter what! And to anyone wondering I am doing great! I have used my trauma to help and will continue to do help.
I am SO sorry that happened to you. And you're absolutely right. I would imagine there would be trauma no matter the age...I don't know you, but I'm very proud of you for pushing through, not to mention helping other people. You're awesome!!💕
THANK YOU SO MUCH for sharing your story, I commented that my abuse still affects me even though it is my earliest memory, and I KNOW that subconscious trauma is just as real if not more so, thank you for explaining further why this woman's opinion is fucking horrible. I hope you have a wonderful day
I hate when family steal their children’s childhoods by making them parent their siblings. It’s a real thing with real emotional and mental ramifications. It’s sickening. Don’t have kids you can’t parent them all.
I agree with this so much. While I think it's beautiful for older siblings to want to help their mom, that's all it is, help. They can babysit for a few hours every once it a while, help their mom prepare food, pass the diapers and wipes to mom, etc. What it shouldn't be is a personal daily responsibility. I liked helping my mom change diapers, babysitting, feeding, etc. The one thing that scarred me was when my mom told me to prepare my sister's bottle. I refused because we were at a family party, and I was in the middle of playing with all of my cousins, and my parents were chatting with the adults. My mom sent me to bed early for that and I missed out playing with my cousins, the party, and the cake. I was 8 years old at that time, so a cake was a big deal. When I look at the family photos of this event, it makes me sad that I am not in them. I know my one experience doesn't compare to other older siblings who literally had to raise their younger siblings. I was probably a brat and my parents did the best they could with the knowledge they had and experiences they lived while growing up themselves. But this one experience affected me so much that now I am committed to not letting any of my kids miss out on any part of their childhood, while also teaching them to be caring and empathetic toward each other, and also willing to do things for each other.
The icing on the cake.....when her eldest daughter got married the night before, her father MADE her sign a CONTRACT basically to where they the parents took ALL HER FUTURE INCOME no matter how MANY EPISODES/including FUTURE episodes she participated in!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 It SHOWS THEIR INSATIABLE GREED!!!
Idk if it's just me but the Duggars have always given me cult vibes, even the way Jim and Michelle talk, how monotone and empty they sound, and how lifeless and dead their eyes look. Reminds me a lot of Onion boy. They've always creeped me out.
@@WinterReflections I feel anything past like 6 kids is when it gets to be a bit too much. 7-8? Bit Concerning. 9 or more? There’s something wrong here. 19 is just actual insanity. I can’t imagine pushing out that many babies. I feel like it shouldn’t even be physically possible to have that many.. Just thinking of it makes me feel sick..
Just cutting in here to say, please don't base your assumptions on people by the WAY they talk, focus instead on what they're saying. As someone on the autism spectrum, assuming a monotone voice or 'dead eyes' means someone is 'bad' has actively affected neurodivergent people's lives for the worse (this is seen with how people who 'read body language' assume tics, stims and other 'not normal' ways of holding oneself is associated with deception or hiding something, which even comes down to stuff like people assuming you're lying because you can't make eye contact). I honestly don't want to pull attention away from dunking on these awful people, but I am asking you to maybe reconsider why you think a monotone voice means they are being insincere.
Anyone who intentionally seeks out and gets pleasure from Daisy's destruction should be immediately put away and never released. That's the only proof needed to conclude that person has zero humanity in them and is nothing but a monster. End of story. Throw away the key.
i was molested by my sibling as a child, and I really feel for those poor girls. I know EXACTLY what it feels like, where you have people saying "boys will be boys" and "it wasn't rape so it wasn't that bad" and "he was just curious". I heard those exact same things when my incident happened and I heard them from my own family members. It's disgusting that people are more willing to protect a predator than the victims who are suffering.
I am so sorry that happened to you. I hope that you got the actual support you needed outside of your family and outside of faith alone to help you with that. Talking to a professional and finding a way to work through those kinds of intense traumas is very important.
@@michellec9334 I can't speak for other situations, but in my family, my parents defend the sibling that did this same thing to me, and my father essentially ended up spelling out the why. I want to clarify first that there is a severe cognitive dissonance between "family crimes" and what literally anyone else outside the family has done. My father can listen to stories like this (the Duggars) and not see himself in it/be disgusted, he can watch SVU and agree with the fictional characters who haven't forgive their childhood abusers even when they're adults and agree with them, but when it comes to me or his sister? It's different. We're the problem. The culture in my family seems to derive from my grandmother. She knew that her son, my uncle, did the same thing to my aunt, and she protected him, as did my dad and his brother. My aunt, instead, was left ignored. My grandma even bought this uncle a house, which she did not do for any of the other kids (and also, very clearly, not my aunt, a fucking victim. Favouritism much?). This idea of what could be "forgiven" in a family was kind of just instilled through one parents' lack of action. My aunt has been painted to me my whole life as an irrational, crazy woman, bc she has such a tumultuous relationship with my uncles/dad and my grandma. But when my dad decided to justify my brother's crimes in one of his many "get over it already" speeches, listing all the other crimes in our family (which, apparently, is many. yay.), he told me this about my uncle and aunt. And like, it changed everything. My grandma ignored/dismissed my aunt's pain and then as she grew older, my aunt was demonized for having issues with grandmother, which the beloved boys of the family did not. (Well, they do have other genuine issues, but that's a whole other topic.) My grandmother built this atmosphere that things can be forgiven or downplayed if it's done by family, and that has transferred to my father and thus my own experience. I will say that in many ways, my parents continued defence of my sibling and annoyance (at best) with me wanting him out of my life, has been more traumatizing than what he did. My sibling also victimized my cousin, who is my said aunt's daughter. They *hate* that my parents did nothing for me, never stopped my sibling. Because he wasn't just sexually abusive, but very physically too. And it's pretty sad to me that my aunt, who was implied to be irrational or whatever, who is mostly out of my life and the rest of that side of the family's lives, is the only adult in my family who said "That's fucked up." So, was the abuse dismissed bc they were defending an adult predator first? I don't know. But the defence of these acts are very easily justified and instilled within families, even non-religious ones. My sibling and my uncle were also very young when they did those crimes. But it's forgiven, despite all the other fucked up shit my uncle's done since. And my sibling? The golden child? Well, he's got his own family, which of course no one but me seems to be concerned about, and they're all very sure that he's fixed, despite him being across the country and no one actually being able to know for sure. Many days I am worried I'll get news like what the media ended up getting with Josh. Also, OP: it's so fucked that that happened to you, and I feel your pain so vividly. I hope you've been able to cut that piece of shit out of your life, and anyone else that defends this and harms your safety and health.
Same. It's like you have the same people who criticize the LGBTQ+ community saying they're all this horrible things, promptly turning around and letting those around them or just others in general get away with those exact things your condemning this community for.
Statistically there has been more child a buse and SA in churches and amongst priests done to children than trans people have ever done to children. It's funny that the religious folk point their fingers at trans people as if they don't have endless skeletons in their religion. There's literally a new article everyday about how youth pastors or priests were either caught a busing children or outright trafficking them *in America alone.*
Literally just just /lgbt/ or bother googling crime statistics for trans identifying men. TiMs are either gay with horribly internalized homophobia or straight men who are addicted to porn. Well, they're both addicted to porn but the "transbians" hurt women more.
I'm trans and this sort of thing has gone from making me feel like shit to making me feel a mix of pity and amusement. Like, yeah, *I'm* the one you need to worry about. Not your child-molesting son. "All conservative accusations are confessions." Is becoming more accurate as time goes on.
both of my parents came from quiverfull families of 10 & 12 respectively. there’s an inherent neglect that comes from having so many children & expecting them to parent their siblings. my parents are very much just now finding themselves & their interests because they didn’t have a childhood. thankfully they killed the cycle & i’m an only child, but it truly fucked them up to be one of so many that they never felt loved by their parents.
my mum has 9 kids yeah, but we are all spaced out enough that by the time my younger sibling was born (the 9th), my oldest sister already had had her own kid a year before. This is the only way in which large families can be not neglectful tbh, having kids in such close proximity in age is inherently neglectful
There should be nothing wrong with not having kids, and if you do, taking it one at a time to see how you can handle. There is too much pressure for people to a) have children in the first place and b) to then give the first child a sibling afterwards. People need to stop asking and pressuring for that.
Let me guess, your parents are probably seen as the weird ones in their families because they have just one child? I hope that's not the case but we know what people like the Duggars would think if one of their sons or daughters had no interest in producing children like farm animals ...
What’s crazy is they could have brushed it off like I’m sure a lot of tv studios would have. But they did the right thing and who knows what would have happened if it never came out
@@harmc2301 yeah. But they contacted the authorities. Had they not done so there's no telling how bad things would had gotten. Oprah Winfrey did the right thing in this case.
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Especially because the child committing it can be corrected if caught and punished early on. They saw their son ruining his own life alongside his victims and did NOTHING about it.
@@colbaltmind5696 And the audacity they had to make it seem like it was no big deal and people were "attacking" their family. They can keep acting like they did something about the behavior but they really didn't.
@@mvskyeseo they didn't because they want to use their "religion" as an excuse to why they are terrible people who do nothing right because they want to fill their egos and selfish wants. 🙄 they're ironically the first kinds of people Jesus wouldn't want in heaven alongside his son and others like him
@@colbaltmind5696 yep, they coulda done shit properly, made sure hw faced some real punishment for his actions and then got him some real counseling and therapy to help try and reform him. But instead they sent him to some religous mentor shit that dont help at all, especially in cases like this where the dude was showing clear signs of mental issues that would require trained professionals to address.
He was the stupid and entitled monster, who was just used to be protected. He thought he doesn't need to hide it that well, or he was too stupid to do so
"Daisy's Destruction" was so monstrous that the gore community believed it was just an urban legend up until the Australian child murderer who filmed it was arrested.
The FBI has also done a great job covering it up, making it nearly impossible to access the full thing. It makes me sick to my stomach that something like that exists
@@lemonpanda1137 she was left with permanent disabilities due to her abuse, she's absolutely going to "know" something bad happened to her, along with the trauma and life long mental health battles she will be left with
@@lemonpanda1137 It's a gore video if I'm not mistaken, she likely didn't survive it. And I get what you mean, but I don't think not remembering the reason behind the trauma is better or worse than being conscious of it, I think it's just a different type of suffering.
Child abuser. "blanket training" = hitting the INFANT when said infant reaches for a toy or for the caregiver. Justified as learning discipline? NO. It's must torture and creepy abuse.
Whoa.. I had heard about “blanket training” and I thought it was cruel enough when it was just toys the child was punished for reaching for. I had no idea that these babies weren’t allowed to do the most natural thing, reach out for their loved one, without being abused for it. How tragic :(
Absolutely! It's one of the worst forms of abuse I've ever heard of, and I'm surprised the Pearls weren't prosecuted for inventing that horrific practice!
One time my parents and older sister (mormon) and I (absolutely NOT mormon) were at the salt lake airport, and my mom and sister suddenly looked really excited and got up, and nearly ran over to talk to a man and a woman. And I was curious bc sometimes we have family I don't know about, so I went over there with them, and asked them who these people were. And they all looked really uncomfortable and my mom and sister tried to shoo me away, and I was like "What??? Who are they??? Should I know???" Afterwards they came over and yelled at me bc the man and woman were the Duggar parents and I straight up told them to their face I had no idea who tf they were. That's my proudest moment tbh.
That happened to me at the Dallas Airport when we got back from Australia. They were handing flyers and I was calling my mother to talk to her rather than run over there. I didn't know how they were either. I was 14 and coming down sick.
I never would've known who they were if it were not for their awful son. Everything I heard about them as a kid came in the form of their scandals on magazine covers. Absolutely disgusting that they took the path they did instead of doing literally anything else to help their poor daughters.
My question is where did Josh learn how to cover his tracks like that? Somewhere in that community is a circle of monsters, and Josh was just the knucklehead that got caught first.
There is a person who worked with Josh in IT who I believe testified about Josh being present while he talked about how to create a partition for security purposes.
@@LisaKoffler That's just a lie that lets you pretend it's insignificant that they're like mormon freaks with a disgusting view of women and sex who raised him to be the predatory weirdo he is.
Churches are full of people like Josh, plenty of people to learn from, and he learnt to cover his tracks because he, like all predators, knew it was wrong. He knows the difference between right and wrong, but chooses to molest his sisters instead.
As a sexual abuse survivor myself at age 7, it disgusts me that these parents DEFENDED AN ADMITTED ABUSER, basically dismissing the fact that some of their daughters were harmed by their eldest son, essentially by saying "boys will be boys". I'm not a parent, but if a couple decides to bear offspring, that couple has a legal and, more importantly, a MORAL obligation to protect their child(ren), even if it means sending one or more of their own to prison!
They have teached numerous girls & women, including their own daughters. That being abused by men is ok, normal & you should just let it happen & even be grateful.. How is this not a consern for the stupid censorship you have going on in the US..
@@ingridakerblom7577 I dont think its censorship but just blind negligence people see what they want to see aka a christian family but ignore whats behind that aka abuse, pedophilia and coverups
@@Nightsmith_After_Dark then why do we hear biiip all the time, when watching murican productions.. and if it's visual, it gets blurred out.. A autopsy documentary, where everything exept the Dr were blurred out.. That is what i menant.. It's somehow damaging to society to say f**k on TV, but not to expose & stop abuse & brainwashing..
@@ingridakerblom7577 i meant specifically in the case of people supporting this family... lol Im not american 1st of all. But censorship can be within the brain people ignore things that arent convenient or fit their narrative. That was more so what I was talking about. Also yeah thats just media being media
As a father, I just cannot fathom how a parent not only lets this behavior foster, but also does whatever he can to hide it or dismiss it. I honestly feel bad for the children that grew up in that hellhole.
15:30 we find out here that Jim Bob believes all sexual assault is always the victim's fault, which comes with the implication that he believes any victims somehow "deserved it." So I think he can excuse his son's crimes so easily because he's passing the blame
I get so mad at how dismissive the duggars are by saying “they’re so young they don’t understand/know”. I was sexually abused as a very young child and I assure, even though I didn’t really understand what was happening, I knew something wasn’t right and I didn’t feel comfortable. Luckily my parents believed me but I still have so much trauma and issues from that abuse and it really affects different aspects of your life. I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety, and I didn’t decide to do therapy until I was an adult and it was such a godsend
I am with you. I was sexulized at a very young age and the trauma and guilt will not be relieved no matter how many therapists telling me the pain will go away if I just forgive myself. Peace be with you.
I agree with you, M T A! The fact is is that for sexual abuse survivors like myself, not only does trauma never truly cease, but an attitude of 'boys-will-be-boys' dismissiveness is just as toxic for those afflicted as the actual trauma itself!
I grew up in a Christian house, I’m still a Christian to this day. I’ll never forget mentioning this show to my mom and saying “they’re Christian!” And her saying “they believe that women are nothing more then baby making machines. I can’t see how you can provide everything needed for all those kids at the same time” made me take a closer look at them, and even as a kid, I knew something wasn’t right (even from a Christian perspective)
Your mother sounds like a smart woman. I'm a Christian too, although admittedly one who has gone through a bit of a tough stretch with my former church. Faith is powerful and important to me, so it is hard and infuriating to see it exploited and abused by people who have a real, horrifying dark side underneath the surface
@@skippythealien9627 I know, right? Unfortunately, my friend who use to be my pastor had to go through the same thing because of church politics and other people in power. They mistreated him so badly, he's no longer a full time pastor anymore. He's a science teacher now.
I remember they were living in an2 bedroom home with like 10 kids before they got all the tv money and built the big , shiny , enormous home . I was disappointed the images and reality of their poverty and all those kids wasn’t included in the documentary : As it was mentioned Jim Bob grew up in poverty. He was still living in poverty- unable to fiscally provide for all his children before the tv money .
He....he downloaded Daisy's Destruction and people STILL defend him...?! That clip is so indescribably horrific that even the most desensitized gore researchers can't stomach it. This demon needs to be kept in a cell for the rest of his natural life.
I googled what that is. Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Even just reading a single sentence about what that absolute horror is almost made me physically ill. Humanity is capable of some truly horrific things. For anyone else reading the above comment, do not search this out, or god forbid watch it, if thats even possible. You will regret what you find.
There's a family kinda like the Duggars in my hometown and they have, at the very least, 9 kids with the mom being pregnant seemingly every time you see her. The mom frequently told people the same excuse as the Duggars; that she was "giving her womb up to god." Each kid is about if not less than a year apart except for the eldest, who is two years older than the next and a year my junior. I had several classes with him in high school and I remember asking him if he liked having so many siblings and he vehemently told me no. He talked about how he felt more like a babysitter than an older brother and he was tired of having to spend his free time watching them. He even told me he once begged his parents to stop having children and they just laughed at him. Him and his younger brother both played basketball and the only time their parents showed up to a game was the very last one of the season and they only managed to stay for the last five minutes before their kids got too rowdy. I remember going on a school trip to a significantly larger town with him and asking what he wanted to eat and he confessed that he hadn't been out of town, outside of school functions, in years and didn't really know what was out there in the first place. I was a lifeguard at a local pool and the whole family came in one day and within 3 minutes, the four oldest had been tasked with watching the younger ones and the oldest hadn't even gotten the chance to touch the water before his dad yelled for all of them to gather their stuff and get in the car. I don't care if you want to have a ton of children, but you have to understand that you CANNOT let your children depend on OTHER children to get their developmental needs met. At that point you rob each child the chance to grow up and enjoy being just that, A CHILD
Ts, ts. Your comment displays far too much of logic and reality and too little of biblical patriarchy, misogyny, ignorance, cruelty, fake sanctity, fake love, gaslighting, victim blaming, religious depravity and christian sexual pathology in it. In other words, you are NOT going to heaven and having many virgins to play with.
This can happen in much smaller families as well--my husband spent his high school years basically raising his younger two sisters. Just don't have kids unless you plan on taking care of them yourself. If you have too many to keep track of yourself, hire an au pair or a nanny. Kids aren't meant to parent.
I feel like the one daughter who is not married and does a majority of childcare is the one who could have gotten it the worst. I’m just speculating based on observation. She should be married according to their standards and isn’t. Then when Josh was on trial for possession of CP was arrested when his kids were in her care. It felt like retaliation in a way. Who knows how much they have buried.
obviously any kind of child abuse material is horrendous but when you said he had downloaded daisy's destruction my jaw actually dropped. incase anyone is lucky enough to not know much about it its one of the worst things I've ever heard of, not just child sexual abuse but extreme torture and eventual murder of very young children. josh is a fucking monster and I truly hope he rots in jail
I haven't gotten that far into the video but my jaw dropped after reading your comment. The fact this psycho even had that.... Off with his nuts and head .
@@Piedhiper I couldn't remember the age of the child in this particular video but I just braved googling it and 'Daisy' was 18 MONTHS OLD. an actual baby and put through the worst things imaginable. like you said off with that monster's fucking head
Me too I was so shocked, having heard of the video and the guy being arrested it's known that, that particular video is very hard to come by and that takes some real digging and or money to obtain. That man is disgusting, and hope he rots.
Great video! Important to note that the birth control pill DOES NOT cause miscarriage. It prevents ovulation but can’t affect an egg once it has been fertilized and implanted. I’ve actually never seen anyone in a Duggar video debunk this but just an important note
@@sarahc8862 sure thing! You can double check on the Mayo Clinic website. It’s encouraged to stop taking it once you know you’re pregnant but if you’re unknowingly pregnant and still take it for example it has some correlation to low birth weight but not to miscarriage or even to birth defects
The Duggars: how could the media expose our daughters like this!!! Also the Duggars: make their daughters do an interview answering for Josh's abuse of them instead of having Josh answer for his actions himself.
They so clearly don't give a single shit about their daughters well being, it's all about making sure their golden child Josh and his reputation are okay, even if he is thoroughly and forever disgraced. They are sick, selfish, unrepentant abusers and they deserve as much jail time as he has for trying to push the blame on the victims, trying to cover up their sons atrocities, and enabling the abuse that happened in the first place.
As someone who lives in the south, having faith for the formative years of my life was basically just fear mongering which when my OCD started really kicking up i basically tortured myself for around 7 or 8 years. It led to having PTSD because any amount of guilt was magnified and i was convinced God was going to hurt me. It took everything in me and also finding The Bible Project and the concepts of different branches that have different interpretations helped me climb out of that horrible hole. I guess im just typing this to attest to the fact that religious trauma is genuinely some of the most damaging experiences and im lucky to have made it out the other side with my faith intact and a more complete understanding of american Christianity.
Listening to those transphobic statements just being laid out like that is disgusting and I can't believe she actually did that. Protect our Trans people ❤
Even though Jana being filmed while Josie having a seizure is insanely traumatic, the fact they were filming may have saved Josie's life. Legally, there has to be EMTs on filming sets and they HAVE to be close by in case something happens. So TLC being there that day was a blessing in disguise... in a very exploitative way.
Seizures aren't typically life threatening unless you are withdrawing from ETOH. Ive seen hundreds of seizures and they are terrifying but Ive seen one where the patient actually turned blue and would have died had they not been in the ER. She could have choked on her vomit though.
I was one of those kids who parented my younger brother (and parents...they were mentally ill). I feel bad for those kids who have to parent their siblings since it sucked having to put others needs before yourself
My religious dad and I discussed a thing called “a lack of opportunities” that happens in families with lots of children. So basically let’s say for example one of the children wanted to go to college - that opportunity disappears because that child may have not had the time or energy (due to taking care of younger siblings) to study and gain the qualifications needed to enter college and therefore loses the opportunity to get the career they want that they otherwise would’ve had if they had fewer siblings and more attention. The older children also lose out on their childhood and the luxury of holidays since it would be too expensive with that many children. It’s so selfish for the parents to do that to their children.
It's also difficult to get financial aid. If you're in a family of 8 children, but your parents make too much to receive financial aid, that money is spread out over 8 kids and unless you're a super genius who studied very hard (not possible if you're basically a replacement parent).
it should absolutely be considered child abuse and neglect as even if 2 people can somehow financially support this shit, they literally cannot emotionally provide for that many kids it’s just straight up not possible
@@kadenstimpson3167 I mean, usually for financial aid forms, you put in how many people are in your household/what’s reported on your tax forms, and that gets factored in. If you’re attending a school with a good endowment, and you make $150k/yr, but have 20 dependents, they’ll factor that in.
Okay so I’ve been molested by a family member, and it infuriates me so much when I see other families react how mine did. My grandad molested me, and when I spoke up, they were convinced by him that he just had a diabetic episode (which A, doesn’t make a lot of sense, and B, wasn’t the case because of how he was speaking to me during and before). He was reacting perfectly fine, wasn’t tired or clammy or confused, he called me by my name during. He knew what he was doing, and whenever I tried to turn away, he would move with me. I just tried to pretend to be asleep and hope it stopped, because that’s all I could do. He died very recently, and every single person around me calls him a saint. He single-handedly ruined my entire relationship with my sexuality that I still feel now, and no one acknowledges it. It’s why I’m not carrying his coffin, I’m not crying for him, I’m crying because the people around me are dealing with grief, and I will continue to be okay, knowing that everyone around me is safe from him, and that I don’t have to keep listening every night to make sure he stays asleep in bed and doesn’t come in to me or more importantly my sibling. I don’t hope he’s in hell if I’m the only instance of this happening, but I hope he isn’t in heaven or a good place. He doesn’t deserve it after the anguish he made me endure.
The transphobic tirade made by the mom is hilarious because it's always the case, whenever someone goes on about "We must protect our kids" from trans or just queer people exist it is 99% of the time a self report
The second the title “Daisy’s Destruction” was mentioned, my jaw genuinely dropped. I haven’t seen the video (nor do I ever wish to see it), but by description alone, my heart stops beating. Only a heartless and sickening person would want to see it to gain gratification out of it. Josh does not deserve 12 years in prison, he deserve a an entire lifetime. A sickening man like that does not change, they created new methods to not get caught.
What’s even more sickening to think about is that video was “exclusive”. For years, even on the deep and dark web, it was viewed as an urban legend of what could be out there on the internet. Very few people actually viewed it in full. Meaning Josh more than likely purchased it or traded other videos/files for it, meaning he had exclusive access to some really extremely messed up stuff to even be able to get his hands on daisys destruction in it’s entirety. It also means he more than likely had a lot of really deep connections, which could also explain why he got so little time. He could’ve given up information on bigger players (like people who produce it). And the investigators would know it was the actual daisys destruction in full, because in cases like this, even if it’s a well known piece of abuse material that’s been reviewed thousands of times for other cases, the investigators have to review every piece of media multiple times and manually in order to be able to testify and explain it in court to a jury.
@@dysmissme7343 honestly we should be. Who is to say he didn’t do something to his kids? But at the same time, it might not be a big worry for it to happen now. He is going to be literally monitored with his own children even after he is released from prison. He will never be able to be alone even with his own children, let alone any child out side his family. And once he’s released, he will more than likely have no access to the internet.
survivors never forget their trauma, even if it's repressed from them being young. the parents trying to downplay the abuse is insane--those girls' lives were completely altered from what they went through. i wasn't that young, but i'm a survivor too and i do think that something in me died or changed back then. you never forget.
Let's not forget that these children were taught that a) physical abuse is not the worst thing and b) the victims are the ones to be blamed for this. That must make this even worse ...
if my child sexually assaulted a child that would not be my kid anymore. plain and simple. I don't tolerate that shit, especially after being raped myself at the ripe old age of three.
Crazy to think they'd probably disown one of their MANY children for being gay but would advocate for the freedom and forgiveness of their pedophilic son.....
Imagine living in a family, where instead of being protected from a predator, your own family, AS WELL as strangers take the predator's side instead of you, the victim. ....Honestly I'd probably hang it up at that point. Just out of spite really.
There’s a short clip on the Internet of Michelle screaming as she was unaware the cameras were in the house and rolling. As soon as she saw the camera, she immediately s(witch)ed into her ‘sweet talking - loving’ self. It’s hilarious and scary. Fake people, real lies.
I heard the kids were told they had to look happy all the time too. How long until holding in some feelings that weren't so happy results in an explosion...
@@priscilajaneth4695 unfortunately, I don’t. It is a short clip that was shown in a video about the Duggars. She was in a small hallway and looking left, and yelling then she looked towards the right, saw the cameras, went into character and sweet talked her was into the living room. That was all I needed to see. I hope you find it.
My ex-girlfriend was in the same homeschool group as the Duggars and talked to me about them over a decade ago. I was not the least bit surprised when stuff came out, if anything, it was shocking how long it took things to come out.
I just love how Jim Bob just gave up using a rubber. Like, they had a bad experience with pills and instead of not using pills anymore, they just swore off EVERYTHING contraception. Like yeah, the most sensible choice, definitely.
The fact that Jim Bob and Michelle weren't brought up on charges is amazing to me. Child neglect,child endangerment, etc. Just utterly disgusting. This family has always creeped me out. They are disgusting people who dare to call themselves Christians. They are definitely not
Then not only that but they used the blanket technique where they put a baby on a blanket and slap it with a ruler when it tries to crawl off. That’s sick. I understand they use corporal punishment (a rod and who knows what that means). My parents have used belts, paddles and wooden spoons on me but it was far from abuse. They didn’t beat me with a rod. That is creepy. No one sexually abused anyone in my family and I’m pretty sure my dad and grandpa’s would kill anyone who tried. My parents believe in God but our family didn’t focus on that and my sisters are allowed to wear whatever they want and my brothers and I can wear shorts. I mean, this family was/is very very odd and they should be investigated by child protective service.
@@WyattRyeSway being hit as a child for acting like a child with belts and other objects does count as abuse, it's why they don't do it in schools anymore. You wouldn't hit an adult for behavior you saw as bad when you can explain what was wrong, so why would you hit a child
the scene where the daughter is crying in the interview saying we were victims is so heartbreaking, shame on the media for thinking that was some kind of entertainment.
I would have been utterly miserable in that family. I never wanted kids in the first place, and the thought of having to act as a mom before I was even a teenager....hell no
I once opened up about my trauma of repeated sexual assault (by a prepubescent boy who was our neighbor) when I was about 4-5 years old to a friend. That friend basically said "well u were young so you probably don't remember it." I did remember it a lot of it, however, I couldn't understand or comprehend the gravity of what was happening to me at the time. All I knew was that I didn't like it one bit. I felt so small and ashamed after hearing that and that was just from a friend. I cannot imagine hearing that from your very own parent, who are supposed to protect you. I hope those daughters heal from their past.
My mother said, when I was 50, something about people not remembering their childhoods. So I described to her, the little toys which were strung on elastic across the top of my pram, when I was a baby. She couldn’t believe it.
Ignorant people has the conception that small child don't remember, but her body remember every detail, and give out the awful details when she grow up. The details will be traumatic that many don't survive. Body never forget. Abuse a small child is the evilest of evil. They are innocent and vulnerable.
I’m so sorry. The trauma climbs up to you no matter what. The subconscious mind never forgets the horror. So many people are truly ignorant about sexual assault and its effects in general, it’s so sad.
Wow, so sorry you had to go through that not only the experience itself but being dismissed....they are both equally damaging to your psyche and hope you have been able to come to a place where you are not traumatized...what a despicable thing to have to live
i was assaulted by two older girls when i was about 7. i never remembered the incident until later, but i remember absolutely hating the place it happened, and i would try to get out of going there at all costs. my whole life since then has been operated by fear of which i didn't know the source. i never went anywhere alone, i always wore shorts under my skirts and dresses, and never used public bathrooms if i could help it. the rush of the memory coming back to me was one of the most overwhelming things i've ever experienced. my brain was protecting me, it knew that on top of everything else i was going through as a child i would not have been able to handle it, so it never revealed the memory to me until later. i thank it for that. the thought that young children won't see any consequences of an assault on them is utterly horrific when used as an excuse- it is completely false.
So sad that they think the women are at fault for being raped and blame them for things like what they’re wearing Yet THEY dressed those children and did practically NOTHING when their son assaulted their CHILDREN. And they clearly take the sons side, it’s so sad that their daughters have to live like that.
The dresses they (and orher sects), make the women and girls wear are very "childish", braids and ribbons in their hair, it's all so creepy and disgusting.
@@brennathecatlover4360 exactly! That’s why their argument about how it’s a woman’s fault for being assaulted because she did smthin or was wearing smthing wrong is ironic cause it happened to their daughters who they deemed dressed in an appropriate way
Yet another example of right wing projection; just look at the entire Sound of Freedom debacle, the groomer panic shit, Qanon, Russell Brand, etc. The loudest voices crying "groomer" at trans people have been implicated in the worst crimes imaginable.
The Arkansas state trooper who didn't report Josh Duggar's abuse ends up later going to prison himself for sexual crimes involving children?! You can't make this shit up.
Grew up in Arkansas. My dad was running for office the same time Jim Bob was - he met him ONCE and didn't know who he was. A few years later my dad walked by the tv as I was watching that show and stopped and said "oh, I met him. he was such a creep I made sure I wasn't around him ever again." My dad is a sweet person and rarely speaks ill about people - so I knew then and there Jim Bob was a bad person.
I live in NWA, about an hour away from springdale, and their reach is FAR! I used to work at a makeup store, and my coworkers say they saw Michelle at the mall, a few days after the arrest in 2021. Not saying that insinuates to anything, but it's crazy to me that they're our local "celebs". I'm not originally from Arkansas, but when I moved here and heard more about them, I was just blown away that people were still holding up Josh Duggar in this community. And I truly don't think they realize just how vile his actions are
My abuser also went for counselling with a 'church counsellor'. So you know that he was cured after three sessions and just went on with his life. He spent decades trying to destroy my spirit, my character, my life, my relationship with my mum and siblings. My siblings go on holiday with him while no one in my family even acknowledges me.
I’m so sorry you had to go through that! Sometimes family are the people you choose so I hope you surround yourself with loving and supportive people! You have nothing to be ashamed of or apologize for and I hope you find love and peace!!
The most telling moment of that catastrophic interview was when they talked about finding out from their church group that having a son molest younger daughters is COMMON there. Once they found out they weren't the ONLY one, it seems like they were extremely relieved, and also convinced molestation couldn't be a PROBLEM if it was common in their church.
@@demonslayereren3970 Oh no don't worry molestation is just hella common in religions. I mean having someone who speaks "in the name of god" definitely helps having an easy access to kids
It is very common in churches. The Bible commands men to kidnap and “marry” young girls. Can’t expect any follower of a faith like that to have actual sound morals.
Im not a Christian, or religious by any means, let alone Mormon But it pains me to know how the Duggar girls feel. I raised my little brother, who's only nineteen months my junior. We had mentally defect parents with an holier-than-thou attitudes. And Im a victim of csa. It pains me to have a father/child dynamic with my barely little brother. It pains me to be blamed, tossed around and b€@t down by my parents because of how self righteous they are. And it will haunt me about how my csa was handled. It blew up enormously in my face. My assailant was dragged before me crying and begging for mercy as her father yelled if I wanted him to hurt her. And my parents ignored and blamed me for what happened. Three years, and a lifetime of innocence gone. I was told I didn't fight hard enough, I should've said no louder. And worst of all, I was told it didn't matter because I'd forget. And that was correct, my mother was right, I did forget. But I remembered. At seventeen it hit me like a truck. The night terrors, the ptsd. It all came at once. The moment I was safe, healthy and happy enough to bear that horror, my brain unflipped the forget switch. Those poor duggar women deserve nothing but love, warmth and comfort. They always will
That's awful. I hope you're in a much safer place now and are getting the help you need to deal with that trauma. I can't imagine. But just as a note, they're Baptist, not Mormon.
The Duggars aren't Mormon. Although it's easy to see why you'd make that mistake, as Mormons are the ones known for cult-like large families that repress abuse.
The body remembers what the mind doesn’t. I was sexually abused by my maternal grandfather when I was about 18 months old. I didn’t *know* it had happened until I was told about it, but I just felt “off”. It’s so hard to describe, but then finding out something so terrible happened to me that I couldn’t even remember…that was a trauma in and of itself.
That just gave me chills. I was sexually harassed by an adult man when I was about fifteen. I buried it so hard that I basically forgot about it entirely but certain things men said to me made me queasy. I finally remembered it years later and felt sick I can’t even imagine what that was like for you. I’m so sorry about what happened to you. I really hope you have the support you need
As someone who is a Christian, it breaks my heart to see these kinds of situations happen without Christians speaking out against it. If this isn't the image we want or the kind of religion we want to push, then we gotta be the first in line to call out crimes and abuse when it happens
The religious community is complicit in these perversions. As a result of this, and for other reasons, they have lost the millennial generation and most of the zoomers.
Listening to this, I realize that I should probably report my own father for what he did to me. I was so mad about what Josh did that I realize I shouldnt be protecting my dad myself.
I'm really sorry that happened to you. I live in nj where the statue of limitations got extended for SA. Once I'm able to move out, I plan to report my brother for what he did to me. Stay strong, you're not alone! ❤
Kylie, I’m so sorry that happened to you. 💗 Whatever helps you find peace is the right choice. I hope you see in this comment section that (sadly) you are not alone in your experiences, and there is support for you no matter what path you take.
as someone whose first memory of this world was being molested by a sibling: no I did not understand what was going on, only how I felt, it was the first time I ever experienced dissociation, the first time I felt TRULY powerless, hopeless, and horrified. Because I was a child I did not know it was wrong, or I was supposed to tell my parents. That doesn't mean it hasn't haunted every moment of my life since. THE IRONY OF HER BEING SCARED OF TRANS WOMEN IS SO ABSURD
My mom always said there was something off about them: Having that many kids and basically making the older ones parents. She would've loved this video.
Your Mom was correct! I too had a bad feeling about the Duggars. And this was before I learned a lot about cults and such. RIP to your Mom. Mine has been gone since 2010. It’s been a nightmare since she’s been gone.
I personally feel that Jim, Bob and Michelle should have immediately lost custody of all of their children. The fact that they knew what he was doing and they covered it up allowing him to continue to do so proves that they are a danger to their own children.
Imagine trying to justify/distinguish that your son isn’t a predator (p3d0) because he was a 15 not 16 when he touched his younger siblings. Pure insanity.
The parents are so disgusting honestly. My mom and dad had two girls and that’s it. My parents were actual parents and let us be what we are their kids. If anything it’s embarrassing and selfish.
I have a bit more siblings than a regular family (we are six kids) but my three older siblings are all adults and were already in college by the time the rest of us were born. I think having many kids is a double edged sword, if you can take care of them then that's great! But if you don't, that a whole lot of trauma your kids will have to live with. Just my two cents!
Would I turn my own child in? Yes. Yes, I would. If my child hurts another person, I will turn them in. I'd rather my child be in prison and kept from harming others, than to know my child could harm others and I'd be complicit. That said, my kid can't even kill bugs so 💁
A sociopath your child is NOT. Sounds like they are a Angel who’s loves all the little gross icky creatures. My cousin’s youngest was that way when she was a wee one. Would come inside “LOOK WHAT I FOUND?!?!?” I’d be excited to and look in her hand. She’d have about five rolly pollys in her hand. “Oh that’s wonderful dear….”😳😵💫
Especially when those other people are your own damn young daughters! I don’t care where you come from and what your relations to me is, you hurt someone in my family in a vile way turning you in is merciful compared to what I am capable of
I think there are limits. If I lived in the USSR and my kids was reading something forbidden, I would not turn them in, but real crimes that physically hurt other people, there would be no mercy.
Josh Duggar is a genuine danger to society, raised with ideology that he is righteous, powerful, and should do whatever he wants *even if it is both illegal and morally wrong*. Josh should not be released from prison, as I have money on him being an immediate repeat offender.
I was in a situation as a child where I had more than one family member molesting me from nearly the time I was born until I was 12 years old. My family refused to report it and got angry with me for breaking down and telling a school counselor because one of the offenders, my brother, was arrested and spent three years in prison. They said I should have kept it in the family even though they wouldn't make it stop. Then I was blamed for the abuse as well. 12 year old versus an 18 year old. I was 5 years old when my brother started doing that to me. I had stopped trying to tell anyone for years because I told my family so many times and each time they did nothing. After everything, I never got any mental help until I moved out at 18. The other offender was my father who is now thankfully dead and hopefully burning in hell. Two other non family members have abused me since then. This shit messes people up BIG TIME. For these people to defend this monster's actions for so long absolutely disgusts me. I HATE pedophiles with every ounce of my being. They deserve nothing good in life. I have to live with what they did forever and so do all other victims of SA. Pedophiles should get a life sentence too. They get off way too easy and it sickens me.
I’m so sorry you had to endure this. I’m grateful your father is dead, and I hope you get your revenge on your brother (And that you NEVER get caught)! I’m sending love and support and strength, go get ‘em, boo. You got this.
my family has always been extremely christian and we’ve *never* liked the duggars. they’ve always acted so holier-than-thou and all they’ve ever done is further the stigma about christians all being closed-minded hypocrites. a lot of christians absolutely despise that they’ve been platformed for so long.
@@micaharies Nobody assumed this was a "typical Christian family." That's why they were on TV. I'm more concerned that "typical Christian families" keep acting like fundamentalists are okay.
I am a Christian (with seasoning as I like to say) and I can tell you I am very open minded. I see religion(of any kind) as a supplement to life-think vitamins. The Duggar’s are the worst example of Christians.
Tbh depends on how spaced out the births are, if there's like a few decades age difference between some of them it's not necessarily bad. Never trust anyone raising 5 kids at the same time though lol.
@@hellothere9520 I think there’s a huge difference between raising 5 and 19 kids tbh. My mom had 4 siblings, and they turned out fine for the most part. It was more normal back then, though there was at LEAST a 2 year gap between the kids. Most people in my family only have two kids though
@@hellothere9520 a few decades of age difference? so if a mom has a baby at 21 then at 61?? that would be impossible though at 61. but yea there can be 10 or 15 years between siblings but like 40 years??
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'm sorry Bro but there was ZERO hateful language in that robocall. There is a case in court right now of a school covering up a rape where a boy wore a skirt and walked into the women's restroom and raped a 14 year old girl. The school covered it up and the boy was transferred to another school where he again went into the girls bathroom and raped a 13 year old . The school was afraid of trans-activist and at least one girls rape was completly preventable if not for this woke ass culture shift you people are pushing. The boy wasn't even presenting as a woman or anything he JUST PUT ON A SKIRT WALKED IN AND RAPED TWO GIRLS. NOW you've claimed there was hateful language in that call. You are going out of your way to bow down to these people by claiming that her very reasonable opinion was hateful speech aka hate speech. Cmon dude. I know your a lefty but you actually lied here and have hurt your credibility. Though most of slobbering masses wont catch this i and others certainly have. You're no longer to be trusted on the information you present. Which is sad because i always considered you a good journalist
SRA family .
12 years isn't a long enough sentence for his actions. Images of infant torture?! He should NEVER be let out.
So interesting. he loses his parents attention to infant after infant. surprise! now he is in to infant torture.
Indeed its absolutely disgusting 20 year minimum and counseling at LEAST
Here’s hoping he gets to know how the victims felt while he does his time
I don't think the sentence is based on the content of the illegal media, just that he was in possession of it, and since he did not create said media, he's only charged with possession of illegal media, not possession grossly offensive, heinous media.
12 years is nothing compared to an eternity in hell
and if anyone wants an update, josh duggar has recently been sent to solitary confinement because he was caught with contraband -- a smartphone with MORE CSA media. he will not change. he is an awful person.
Child rapers will never change.
Child Abusers never change.
i hope he goes insane in solitary and is tormented by his mind
I almost forgot to not be a Christian and not go to Church and not indoctrinate any Children, today. Who the hell ever Narrated this Video should be so kind as to forget to be an awful Narrator.
Hopefully when he's let out the other prisoners will show him what happens to sicko's like him. With many shanks. If you're in prison and still obtaining and delighting in such material, the only pedo that never reoffends is a dead one in this case.
“My son is not technically a pedophile,” he says with a completely straight face.
Ikr disgusting 🤢🤮🤮
Don't you see that these people are also desperate . You have a seemingly perfect family and then out of nowhere you get involved in some controversy that can ruin your reputation and your image . People often forget that no one can be perfect and it is obvious that these people were egoistic and cared only about themselves and not their children . Can we stop pretending that the problem comes from the "individual" and start holding the groups that created such people accountable ?
@@jake9976 no. Pedophilia is never okay
@@jake9976 why do you want to excuse this pedo so bad?
@@jake9976 "nobody's perfect" does not apply to child exploitation lmfao, that's not a "little oopsie" you can be forgiven for
Forcing your kids into raising your other kids is awful. You chose to have them, it’s not any of your kids responsibility, just cause “they’re older.”
Not everyone chooses to have kids. Some happen by accident
@@matttzzz2that happens by having unprotected sex. They’re non-hormonal contraceptives such as condoms which they could’ve used. No one forced them to keep having so many kids.
@@matttzzz2 it is painfully obvious this family chose to have as many children as they could. It was a goal of theirs. We aren't talking about most people in this case. We are talking about two people who used their children and then blamed it on religion.
Nearly all families with more than 1 kid will get at least somehelp from the older children but it's often not something they're forced to do. Our oldest daughter definitely helped us with her younger sister, who was 8 years younger, in big part bc she wanted to and enjoyed how close their bond grew the more she did with/for her sister. The youngest is now 10 and they are so much closer than I ever was to my siblings but we didn't force or demand any of it and our oldest has confidence about raising her own children in the future that she couldn't have gotten any other way. And, no, we are not church going people.
@@bradblumhof6917 11:45 - you should watch this section. this wasn't the same case as yours, unfortunately. it wasn't just "some help" :( they didn't have a choice. these girls literally became parents. good for your daughters, but this is different.
The infants weren't assigned to "an older child" they were assigned to older SISTERS. The boys were encouraged to leave home to learn about the world, while the girls kept working as substitute mothers because their own mom won't stop her ego trip.
They had their childhoods stolen.
I doubt their mother was at fault. She was only there as a birthing canal. Jimbob was totally the one in charge of that.
THIS! I was coming here to say this. Plus the fact that these girls were forced to parent their siblings meant that they had even less time, energy, and brainpower to process their own trauma.
You are right about the sisters raising their younger siblings, but incorrect about the boys being encouraged to leave home. None of the Duggar boys were allowed to have regular jobs, join the military, or move out on their own until marriage. All but one or two are still reliant on JB for their livelihoods. Joseph was allowed to attend Crown College, a fundy college for one or two years, but no one else was allowed any real secondary education. JB stated on their series that he bought his 40 acres so that his kids could all build houses on his property and virtually never leave home. It didn't work out that way, but there are still some boys in the pipeline, so we'll see about them. What JB did not count on was one of the flaws in his plan. That by doctrine his daughters were "given" to their husbands who became the daughter's authority instead of JB, which means that the daughter now has to obey her husband. That's the only reason why Jill, Jinger, Joy and to some degree Jessa get to live a life free of JB's domination.
@@tomboyishtrainwreck both parents were equally at fault.
The fact that the children were ‘too young to know what was happening’ is WHY molestation is so horrible and straight up explains why children cannot consent. Literally my jaw dropped when she said that. They’re disgusting himans
As a person who was molested at a young age, by a family member, the real weight of the trauma didn't really hit me until I was in my early 20s. I'm a married woman who will sometimes cry in the middle of sex because of trauma. My husband is the kindest most gentle man in those moments. He holds me and he comforts me. Not once has he made me feel bad for stopping in the middle of things. Without his wonderful support I don't think I could have sex at this point because of the repressed trauma that didn't fully develop until I became an adult. It's not a victimless crime just because they can't remember it or didn't understand. It makes you feel things even if you can't articulate those feelings.
@@chloecalvincooper9467 I understand how you feel, and I applaud you for speaking about your pain. I often find that I can't bring myself to speak about what happened to me. So thank you for basically being my own, and many other's voice. I'm thankful to have a boyfriend like your husband, who is gentle and understanding, we need more men like them in this world. Thank you once again, Take care~!
@@aliceblack1565 stay strong! You're doing great and you've got this.
Does she think they won't figure it out? Does she think they're stupid?
Same thing happened to me by a brother it hit me in 2021 the worst I just had a break down inknew for years it was bad and happened right before puberty which made me so uncomfortable for my entire teen years
The Duggars are a prime example of why having quality relationships with your kids is more important than having as many kids as possible
This really seems like it should be obvious to anyone with even half a brain. It makes me really sad that it isn't.
But keep in mind that Josh was the golden boy of the family. He probably had the most of a relationship with his parents due to being the first born and male. The family's culture teaches boys and men to fetishize purity, to expect access to sex, to assume they can't control their sexual urges, to have authority over women and children and that their sexual urges and mistakes are the fault of others. Is it really any wonder that men in these groups tend to be sexually abusive pedos? Their culture teaches them to be.
Being religious nut jobs doesn’t help matters either. It makes the situation worse because of the way that they think about the situation. They think their son is more important than their daughters.
You have to remember that the quiverfull people 1) believe that you should have as many kids as possible for the sake of "out breeding" non Christians hoping to overtake non religious and people of other religions. 2) that the quiverfull has an extremely high overlap with the brand of Christian fundamentalist that believes while you should TRY to follow Christ's teachings as long as you believe that christ is your savior that you are going to heaven without exception. You could be a child rapist serial killer but as long as you believe in Jesus you go to heaven in their eyes.
Quality not quantity
Regarding the Megyn Kelly interview - Jill's memoir said Josh was sitting in the same room and staring at them while Jill and Jessa had to tell the world Josh's actions weren't that bad. Imagine having to talk about your victimization while the person who hurt you is staring you down. The Duggar parents are terrible, and so is Josh.
And Megan Kelly should have said he needs to get out. If he stays we go bye bye!!!
Agreed
@@margaretburr7975Yep.
@@margaretburr7975 yeah but its megan kelly, she's a hack
My guess is those awful people, Jim Bob and Michelle, MADE Jill & Jessa 'forgive' Josh's crimes and probably forced them to 'apologize' to him for publicly exposing him as the creep that he is, and probably to them as well for exposing their dark side (enabling and protecting a pedophile).
It’s worth mentioning that even if you “don’t remember” being assaulted as a child, there’s overwhelming evidence pointing to the fact that your body DOES remember. I was molested in my sleep by a family member and didn’t find out until years later, but I still have always showed signs of being assaulted since that day. And finding out is a trauma in and of itself, realizing that someone you thought loved and cared about you has violated your trust and your body without your knowledge is painful enough even if you don’t believe that unaware victims can still show symptoms of trauma. Those girls were hurt. They were traumatized. Their parents can deny it all they want, but everyone else knows full well that they raised a monster.
took the words right out of my mouth, so sorry that happened to you by the way 🩶
It's also just BS they won't remember since one of them was aware enough to tell on him. They were just lying to downplay it and protect Josh. Because they don't care, and have never cared, about their female children.
I hope you're recovering. Sending love to you .
If it's too much don't worry about it, but if you don't mind me asking what were those symptoms of trauma? I ask for my own concerns about myself :,)
@@rainandhail67 if you're trying to work through that i recommend 'the body keeps the score', it's a core book for people trying to understand that kind of thing in their lives (and is worth reading for anyone)
I was sexually assaulted as a child. I unconsciously repressed the memory of that event until I was old enough to understand what had happened to me. For Jimbob to say that his daughters "won't even remember" makes me so angry, because they WILL even if they don't want to. Furthermore, they'll realize that their parents failed to do their job and protect them from an abuser. This whole family is so fucked up.
even before they fully realize what was done to them, they’re going to be confused & scared when they encounter triggers & have no idea why they make them feel scared. absolutely deplorable. sexual abuse is never excusable
I’m so sorry. You don’t deserve to be screamed at that.
I used to smoke meth, I used to be a lush’s
I only remember some of my sexual abuse but it didn't stop it from having an effect on me. I dealt with being hyper sexual at a young age and thinking I was just weird or dirty instead of knowing that it was a trauma response. Jim Bob is just as evil as Josh even if he didn't touch little kids he justified it and allowed his kids and grandkids to be in an unsafe situation.
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It's so odd that a woman who leaves the majority of childcare to her children received an award for mother of the year.
shouldve been birther tbh
Kinda like every dirty cop has an award of some sort?
Broodmare** of the year more like. I doubt she did any kind of mothering after her 3rd child.
@@alostbard so....
Almost every cop.
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 No some
Going back to this, JimBob forcing boys to fill out 30 page questionnaires to date the girls but waiting 3 incidents to do something about Josh’s degeneracy and then responding with a half-asses nothing burger solution makes my blood boil
My thoughts exactly
Why. If you had a son, you would certainly send him down the river..... sounds good to me..
Just goes to that concept of how a chronic smoker never "smells the smoke". These guys likely are genuinely confused as to how they are predators or enablers.
then everybody wonders why josh turned out the way he did.
I thought the questionnaires were 50 pages! As for Josh, he sexually abused 4 of his sisters, and Jim Bob gave Jinger's husband, Jeremy his WORST treatment! I STILL ask myself if Jim Bob had his daughters-in-law also fill out those questionnaires, and I wouldn't be surprised if he did!
If someone says they have the "perfect Christian family", something is not right.
Anyone claiming to be perfect, religious or otherwise, is anything but.
If a woman has given birth 19 times, her vag ain't right.
@@daelen.cclark Ehh, some really are just wholesome and happy with their lifes. The issue is the religious part.
Because religion, inheritly, by it's very nature, forces illogical rules upon someone to make them obey without questioning, otherwise they would face wildly unfitting punishment.
So they can be easily controlled and exploited. To give money to people who do nothing but talk to some cloud guy all day. Seriously that shouldn't be a job that makes you money, it should be a hobby at most. And that is the most harmless iteration of it.
That counts for every religion.
@@toolatetothestory if ya say you're perfect or happy or functional it's usually a lie. People who actually are don't boost about it.
To be brutally frank, the Christian part is the giveaway, because religion is a fantastic way to get people to do bad shit. You simply cherry pick and amplify all your petty biases and that's why the US in especially is dragging behind much of the rest of the western world in comparison.
The sooner better critical thinking and better education happens to the US, the better.
Oh, so having 20 children is fine, basically not letting the children interact with the outside world is fine, telling them that if they get assaulted it's their fault is fine, forcing them to have one very specific world view is fine, but telling children that some people have two mommies is child abuse and/or grooming.
MAKE. IT. MAKE. SENSE.
Easy, they just hate gay people and transgender people for being such.
2 moms isn't child abuse. Lesbians that have a poly relationship, in which they have sex partners in their house daily, and then taking those children to a drag show...and having their children place dollar bills into a transsexual strippers thong...that is a different story.
Conservatives are child abusers and blame lesbians and trans people not to mention everyone else just to cover up their power
American Christians friendo, they don't have the capability to make sense.
THIS !!!! And letting parents support their kids gender identity is seen as abuse too like ??
Michelle: says she does not want predators to hurt children
Also Michelle: doesn't protect her daughters and any of the victims of Josh Duggar
Well according to their home schooling it’s the victims fault. Trash parents.
@@teatea1115 that's what I have saw too. I feel so bad for those girls, hearing them break down in that interview without their parents around broke my heart
It’s not just on michelle to protect the girls, it’s also on Jimbob. Why are women always getting blamed when men oppress women? It’s like we forget that Michelle wasn’t a single mom.
@@Breathefreemylove I know that he’s also to blame too. I was mocking how she spoke about the trans people should go in the bathroom that is right for them, and making it sound like that they are just child molesters given the golden opportunity to rape kids.
@@Breathefreemylove I suppose they could of put “J and M” but I feel they were specifically quoting her because she advocates against SA of young girls.
If the daughters were “too young to understand what happened” then why did they feel the need to tell their parents about it?
It's because it was something they never experienced before, and it was Jill who punched out Josh, and she was "punished" for doing so! It's absolutely disgusting!
The audacity for her to be like “no man should be in a girl’s private space” and then for her to basically blame her daughters for what her son did and mark it up as them not remembering possibly 🤮
@@joedge6142 Yikes. I don't have the time to explain why that's a bad take, but I hope you realize what's wrong with your view
@@thatTesstyBish yikes, your take is pretty bad too. But I’m also not gonna explain why.
I think you're really confused
@@joedge6142 Trans women are women.
Talk about gaslightning
this is what happens when you treat abuse as a "sin issue" to be handled in the church. it's not a sin, it's a crime
Well, it’s still a sin.
It’s both. Should have been thrown out of church and into jail.
It’s both my friend. A sin and a crime. Like murder. And I agree should not be handled by the church. Nor should murder.
It’s both it’s both a physical crime and a spiritual sin when you injure others.
An LDS bishop, upon hearing a confession from a father who was molesting his children and wanted to stop, told him to pray on it...
My family has 9 kids. My brother Josh also did this kind of shit. My mom allowed him to come back to the house saying he was cured. He was not. He traumatized even more of my siblings when he came back. My mom takes 0 accountability for anything that he's done. I will always resent her for this.
I'mso sorry, went thru it too, the down playing so they can feel ok about it
Wow, that is so wrong, and so NOT Godly!! I feel so for you my friend. Please know that in spite of the brutal injustice you endured at your brother's hand, healing for you is possible. Keep telling the truth and seeking healing. "I am the way the truth and the life.." {John 14:6}
Go to the police and lock him away. He’s never going to stop.
I’m so sorry
I think this is more common then people realize. I know it is….
My granny knew these people before they were the Duggars.. granny said "Them people ain't stitched together right".." I guess she was right
I’m gonna say something extremely controversial and if you disagree, please don’t be mean in the comments. I don’t want to start a fight with anyone. I’m completely up to being corrected and I’ll stand down and delete this comment and/or edit it if I’m wrong.
Having that many children should be considered child abuse or at the very least child neglect. There’s no way you can offer emotional support and nurture to that many children at the same time living all under one roof. If you’re having a lot of children but it’s spaced out so you only have a few kids in the house to raise at a time, I don’t see anything wrong with that. But having something like 12-18 kids back to back and having them all under the same roof should be considered child neglect or child abuse. There is no way in hell only two people can bear the responsibility of offering individual support to each and every one of their children all at the same time. There’s no way. That’s simply incomprehensible.
Edit: I’ve read 205 comments so far and everyone’s been so nice! Thanks guys! Glad to see we all have common sense because I was doubting myself writing this comment lol
I don't think that's controversial at all! People who have that many children almost always do it because they expect the older ones to raise the youngest, and having to be responsible and parent their siblings so young gives the older siblings no childhood. And for the younger siblings, it would be basically impossible for their parents to give them any actual attention and care when they have that many children to look after. And I haven't even touched on the economic struggle involved...
I agree
I agree. I find it selfish to have this many kids without any thought as to who's going to care for them. Parentification is so harmful as it takes life experiences and time away from older children because they always need to tend to their younger ones.
I was parentified since I was 7 to my then four younger siblings and finally told everyone I won't continue it anymore when I was 17. I lost the chance to make friends and experience my life for myself; it made me antisocial and I am 20 and still struggling to make any friends in person. I still live at home (hopefully for not much longer) and don't go out because being at home makes me feel obligated to take on the parental role again and that I shouldn't be gone for more than work and errands....
Being parentified with 18 other siblings younger than you must be horrid.
@@Bleatjio (I don’t mean this in a rude way) You are the exact type of person I was thinking about when I made this comment. People who get stripped of the right to be their own people because they were forced to be a parent so young. It’s soooo awful to me. I cannot imagine the kind of identity crisis you had to go through.
Preach your truth loud. People in those faiths that have an obscene amount of children do it only for the purpose of indoctrination and bolstering the ranks of their churches. They don't do it for the children.
Josh is the golden child of his parents, and obviously, they favour him over their other kids. It is sickening that they don't see an issue with his disgusting and perverted behaviour.
Being the oldest boy, he's probably the only one they developed a relationship/bond with before they became overwhelmed by the numbers. He's a golden child solely because he's the only one that is really 'their' child. The others might as well be the children of their older siblings for all the care, affection or attention their bio parents paid to any of them.
@Tara I'd also say, on an unrelated note, Josie is a close second as well. Not only because she is the youngest, but because of her health complications from being a micro preemie (being born at 25 weeks), which is kind of understandable because I can imagine how stressful and concerning it would be to have a baby born that premature is scary as the risks and health complications can be significant.
@@animefangrl0902 I wouldn't say this. They pretty much dumped Josie on Jana
I heard they believe Josh is one of the chosen. I forgot exactly what they called it but that he is above sin😬
exactly, cause apparently it's only an issue to these people when lgbtq+ people do it.....which is sadly common.
Even if they weren't terrible parents, choosing to raise 19 kids is just deplorable. No way in hell they are getting the attention they need/deserve from the parents.
I couldn't agree more. I got my tubes tied after 2 simply because I only have two arms. They're 6 and 8 now, but I can hug them both at the same time when they need it ❤️
You'd never have any alone time, almost never have bonding time with your parents, and would be learning how to be a human from your siblings who are also children. It just seems like a recipe for bad development and depression.
Exactly
As kid #10 of 15, i completely agree. Anything more than 6 is ridiculous.
Having 19 kids is Horrible parenting
I remember reading her book and thinking "This woman sure likes to hear herself talk." There's so many places she dropped the ball as a "Christian" mother. She should have paid more attention to her children instead of telling people how to raise theirs.
You need to be commended for saying that! I read something about Michelle bringing "spanking rods" to baby showers! There's NOTHING "Christian" about that!
The wildest thing to me is that josh told his parents what he did, knowing it was wrong and seeking help for it. Instead of giving him the professional help he needed they dismissed it basically telling him it's no big deal. They let a wound fester instead of doing something about it
Right? There was potential for him and the victims to get phycological help from the start. Fuck his parents. A monster of their own making. Makes me wish they got time in jail too.
they don't trust the secular world, help for them needs to always come from inside their church & group
That is really messed up.
@@vss1232 I'm wondering if they or their church ever touched a bible because then they should know what happened when Amon r* Tamar and King David did nothing about it.
The homeschool system they used is so fucked up. It has a section on insect that blames the victim every single time. That the person who abused you sexually is fine as long as they confess the sin to god. Not repent just confess. That the victim needs to beg forgiveness from their abuse!
The fact that sexual abuse is apart of this “homeschooling curriculum” leads me to believe, that this is something that must happen quite often within this “church”. So sad.
Sexual abuse happens in all types of families. Always has and will continue to happen. Bad and good touch is taught in elementary school also.
The creator of the iblp church program was a serial sexual abuser. Probably thought to include this lesson for himself and fellow abusers. Nobody protects pedos like fellow pedos
@@b52270 it isn't taught in every elementary school. i never learned anything about it until after i was assaulted
Regarding this comment, it highlights a concerning aspect of the Duggars family allegations, namely the possibility that sexual abuse may have been a part of their homeschooling curriculum and that this could be indicative of a larger issue within their church community. The comment is well-written and effectively communicates the author's perspective on the matter. I would rate it a 4 out of 5.
@@commentreviewer9113 Thank you! That is exactly what I was getting at.
“Sexual assault doesn’t affect the soul and spirit”
YES IT DOES. OH MY GOD. Do they not know about trauma?
Sexual assault is soul murder.
Probably don't believe in the concept of trauma. They want to close their eyes and pretend it doesn't exist.
@YourQueenJuan it’s called “soul murder”.
Proves their souls are twisted.
No, They don't believe in trauma/ mental health/ therapy.
Regardless of whether or not you agree with what “Mama Duggar” said in her voicemail, you cannot deny the fact that it is incredibly rich coming from her. Protecting women and girls? When she can’t protect her own? And won’t?? Practice what you preach.
I feel like anyone owning material like Daisy’s Destruction should never see the outside of a prison cell for the rest of their lives.
I'm not normally one for this, but anyone with that kind of material deserves to be in gen pop. Wonder how Joshy boy will handle that.
That is the most disturbing material that I’ve ever heard of, even for the dark web. Hurt 2 the Core explains it all
You are 100% absolutely correct
@@yelisabeth Is this person on ytb? Don't find a channel with that name
Mix of “I’m a pedo” and “I hated having so many babies around” yikes
I was sexually abused as a baby, yes as a baby! . The people that say "they were so young they didn't realize" or "they won't remember " are completely and horrifically ignorant, to say they least. The abuse effected me greatly and it is subconsciously there no matter what!
And to anyone wondering I am doing great!
I have used my trauma to help and will continue to do help.
Good to hear you're doing well!
🙏I wish you well, I'm sorry that happened to you.
I am SO sorry that happened to you. And you're absolutely right. I would imagine there would be trauma no matter the age...I don't know you, but I'm very proud of you for pushing through, not to mention helping other people. You're awesome!!💕
THANK YOU SO MUCH for sharing your story, I commented that my abuse still affects me even though it is my earliest memory, and I KNOW that subconscious trauma is just as real if not more so, thank you for explaining further why this woman's opinion is fucking horrible. I hope you have a wonderful day
@@marialane5193 hope you have a good day too 😊 ☺ 💗
I hate when family steal their children’s childhoods by making them parent their siblings. It’s a real thing with real emotional and mental ramifications. It’s sickening. Don’t have kids you can’t parent them all.
I agree with this so much. While I think it's beautiful for older siblings to want to help their mom, that's all it is, help. They can babysit for a few hours every once it a while, help their mom prepare food, pass the diapers and wipes to mom, etc. What it shouldn't be is a personal daily responsibility. I liked helping my mom change diapers, babysitting, feeding, etc.
The one thing that scarred me was when my mom told me to prepare my sister's bottle. I refused because we were at a family party, and I was in the middle of playing with all of my cousins, and my parents were chatting with the adults. My mom sent me to bed early for that and I missed out playing with my cousins, the party, and the cake. I was 8 years old at that time, so a cake was a big deal. When I look at the family photos of this event, it makes me sad that I am not in them.
I know my one experience doesn't compare to other older siblings who literally had to raise their younger siblings. I was probably a brat and my parents did the best they could with the knowledge they had and experiences they lived while growing up themselves.
But this one experience affected me so much that now I am committed to not letting any of my kids miss out on any part of their childhood, while also teaching them to be caring and empathetic toward each other, and also willing to do things for each other.
Exactly
I also feel this way about people that have kids and want the grandparents to have them 24/7.
@@kt1pl2 True, A lot of grandparents today are raising thier grandkids. Grandparents day is in September and it doesn't get any recognition.
Right, what's worked since the dawn of time has clearly been a mistake. Obviously, the kids of this era are of the best quality.
The icing on the cake.....when her eldest daughter got married the night before, her father MADE her sign a CONTRACT basically to where they the parents took ALL HER FUTURE INCOME no matter how MANY EPISODES/including FUTURE episodes she participated in!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 It SHOWS THEIR INSATIABLE GREED!!!
Idk if it's just me but the Duggars have always given me cult vibes, even the way Jim and Michelle talk, how monotone and empty they sound, and how lifeless and dead their eyes look. Reminds me a lot of Onion boy. They've always creeped me out.
Exactly. Even without the horrible scandal, having that many kids ALONE should be enough to signal these people are not sane.
They are their own small cult, why else would they keep having kids to indoctrinate
@@WinterReflections I feel anything past like 6 kids is when it gets to be a bit too much. 7-8? Bit Concerning. 9 or more? There’s something wrong here. 19 is just actual insanity. I can’t imagine pushing out that many babies.
I feel like it shouldn’t even be physically possible to have that many.. Just thinking of it makes me feel sick..
Just cutting in here to say, please don't base your assumptions on people by the WAY they talk, focus instead on what they're saying. As someone on the autism spectrum, assuming a monotone voice or 'dead eyes' means someone is 'bad' has actively affected neurodivergent people's lives for the worse (this is seen with how people who 'read body language' assume tics, stims and other 'not normal' ways of holding oneself is associated with deception or hiding something, which even comes down to stuff like people assuming you're lying because you can't make eye contact). I honestly don't want to pull attention away from dunking on these awful people, but I am asking you to maybe reconsider why you think a monotone voice means they are being insincere.
Ofc, any religion, taken seriously and literally to the book becomes a harmful cult.
Anyone who intentionally seeks out and gets pleasure from Daisy's destruction should be immediately put away and never released. That's the only proof needed to conclude that person has zero humanity in them and is nothing but a monster. End of story. Throw away the key.
i'll take skinned alive, honestly
I hope he gets WRECKED. Dude needs to be wiped up like snot on a rag and I have zero compassion for him.
Yep ......that sounds pretty fair enough 2me😁😳🤪
human behaves human, alien behaves alien,
those type of criminals are victims of "possession"
@@demonslayereren3970 it's sad that you don't see what human are capable of.
i was molested by my sibling as a child, and I really feel for those poor girls. I know EXACTLY what it feels like, where you have people saying "boys will be boys" and "it wasn't rape so it wasn't that bad" and "he was just curious". I heard those exact same things when my incident happened and I heard them from my own family members. It's disgusting that people are more willing to protect a predator than the victims who are suffering.
I'm so sorry that happened to you and thank you for sharing. Your voice helps to dismantle the harmful opinions people like the Duggars spew.
justifies their owns sins in their own minds,
Oh, Alex. I’m so so sorry for all you have been through. I wish someone protected you. Sending my love 😢
I am so sorry that happened to you. I hope that you got the actual support you needed outside of your family and outside of faith alone to help you with that. Talking to a professional and finding a way to work through those kinds of intense traumas is very important.
@@michellec9334 I can't speak for other situations, but in my family, my parents defend the sibling that did this same thing to me, and my father essentially ended up spelling out the why. I want to clarify first that there is a severe cognitive dissonance between "family crimes" and what literally anyone else outside the family has done. My father can listen to stories like this (the Duggars) and not see himself in it/be disgusted, he can watch SVU and agree with the fictional characters who haven't forgive their childhood abusers even when they're adults and agree with them, but when it comes to me or his sister? It's different. We're the problem.
The culture in my family seems to derive from my grandmother. She knew that her son, my uncle, did the same thing to my aunt, and she protected him, as did my dad and his brother. My aunt, instead, was left ignored. My grandma even bought this uncle a house, which she did not do for any of the other kids (and also, very clearly, not my aunt, a fucking victim. Favouritism much?). This idea of what could be "forgiven" in a family was kind of just instilled through one parents' lack of action. My aunt has been painted to me my whole life as an irrational, crazy woman, bc she has such a tumultuous relationship with my uncles/dad and my grandma. But when my dad decided to justify my brother's crimes in one of his many "get over it already" speeches, listing all the other crimes in our family (which, apparently, is many. yay.), he told me this about my uncle and aunt. And like, it changed everything.
My grandma ignored/dismissed my aunt's pain and then as she grew older, my aunt was demonized for having issues with grandmother, which the beloved boys of the family did not. (Well, they do have other genuine issues, but that's a whole other topic.) My grandmother built this atmosphere that things can be forgiven or downplayed if it's done by family, and that has transferred to my father and thus my own experience. I will say that in many ways, my parents continued defence of my sibling and annoyance (at best) with me wanting him out of my life, has been more traumatizing than what he did.
My sibling also victimized my cousin, who is my said aunt's daughter. They *hate* that my parents did nothing for me, never stopped my sibling. Because he wasn't just sexually abusive, but very physically too. And it's pretty sad to me that my aunt, who was implied to be irrational or whatever, who is mostly out of my life and the rest of that side of the family's lives, is the only adult in my family who said "That's fucked up."
So, was the abuse dismissed bc they were defending an adult predator first? I don't know. But the defence of these acts are very easily justified and instilled within families, even non-religious ones. My sibling and my uncle were also very young when they did those crimes. But it's forgiven, despite all the other fucked up shit my uncle's done since. And my sibling? The golden child? Well, he's got his own family, which of course no one but me seems to be concerned about, and they're all very sure that he's fixed, despite him being across the country and no one actually being able to know for sure. Many days I am worried I'll get news like what the media ended up getting with Josh.
Also, OP: it's so fucked that that happened to you, and I feel your pain so vividly. I hope you've been able to cut that piece of shit out of your life, and anyone else that defends this and harms your safety and health.
It's always insane to me how crazy transphobes get over trans people being "abusers" and then how they react to actual abusers.
Same. It's like you have the same people who criticize the LGBTQ+ community saying they're all this horrible things, promptly turning around and letting those around them or just others in general get away with those exact things your condemning this community for.
Statistically there has been more child a buse and SA in churches and amongst priests done to children than trans people have ever done to children.
It's funny that the religious folk point their fingers at trans people as if they don't have endless skeletons in their religion. There's literally a new article everyday about how youth pastors or priests were either caught a busing children or outright trafficking them *in America alone.*
Literally just just /lgbt/ or bother googling crime statistics for trans identifying men. TiMs are either gay with horribly internalized homophobia or straight men who are addicted to porn. Well, they're both addicted to porn but the "transbians" hurt women more.
It’s because they don’t want to face the fact that abusers can come from all walks of life.
@@codyconnor6981facts
michelle making the robocall saying " we must protect our daughters" is VERY ironic
Right. Just goes to show that they could care less about protecting girls and women. They literally just hate trans ppl. sad
Too busy “protecting” hypothetical daughters to protect her own
She couldn’t even save her own daughters
I'm trans and this sort of thing has gone from making me feel like shit to making me feel a mix of pity and amusement. Like, yeah, *I'm* the one you need to worry about. Not your child-molesting son.
"All conservative accusations are confessions." Is becoming more accurate as time goes on.
It's painfully ironic, really. Personally I'd rather get hit with an anvil.
both of my parents came from quiverfull families of 10 & 12 respectively. there’s an inherent neglect that comes from having so many children & expecting them to parent their siblings. my parents are very much just now finding themselves & their interests because they didn’t have a childhood. thankfully they killed the cycle & i’m an only child, but it truly fucked them up to be one of so many that they never felt loved by their parents.
I'm proud that your parents stopped that cycle.
my mum has 9 kids yeah, but we are all spaced out enough that by the time my younger sibling was born (the 9th), my oldest sister already had had her own kid a year before. This is the only way in which large families can be not neglectful tbh, having kids in such close proximity in age is inherently neglectful
There should be nothing wrong with not having kids, and if you do, taking it one at a time to see how you can handle. There is too much pressure for people to a) have children in the first place and b) to then give the first child a sibling afterwards. People need to stop asking and pressuring for that.
truly hope ur parents continue to heal and find their joy
Let me guess, your parents are probably seen as the weird ones in their families because they have just one child? I hope that's not the case but we know what people like the Duggars would think if one of their sons or daughters had no interest in producing children like farm animals ...
Wow good on Oprah's studio for taking that warning seriously and contacting the police... I could see any studio easily dismissing something like that
Oprah is known to "rub elbows" with child preditors!
They did the right thing. There's NO EXCUSE for such conduct.
What’s crazy is they could have brushed it off like I’m sure a lot of tv studios would have. But they did the right thing and who knows what would have happened if it never came out
@@harmc2301 yeah. But they contacted the authorities. Had they not done so there's no telling how bad things would had gotten. Oprah Winfrey did the right thing in this case.
I would rate this comment a 4 out of 5.
The comment is relevant to the context and provides an insightful perspective on the situation. It also acknowledges and praises Oprah's studio for their responsible action in contacting the police. However, the comment is relatively short and doesn't provide much additional information or analysis. Overall, it is a good and positive contribution to the discussion.
"the victim was too young to know what was happening" makes it worse, actually. It makes it worse.
The minimizing of child on child sexual abuse is so baffling to me. It can be JUST as damaging as sexual abuse from an adult.
Especially because the child committing it can be corrected if caught and punished early on. They saw their son ruining his own life alongside his victims and did NOTHING about it.
My parents sheltered me and it still happened to me by on other child… 3 times.
@@colbaltmind5696 And the audacity they had to make it seem like it was no big deal and people were "attacking" their family. They can keep acting like they did something about the behavior but they really didn't.
@@mvskyeseo they didn't because they want to use their "religion" as an excuse to why they are terrible people who do nothing right because they want to fill their egos and selfish wants. 🙄 they're ironically the first kinds of people Jesus wouldn't want in heaven alongside his son and others like him
@@colbaltmind5696 yep, they coulda done shit properly, made sure hw faced some real punishment for his actions and then got him some real counseling and therapy to help try and reform him. But instead they sent him to some religous mentor shit that dont help at all, especially in cases like this where the dude was showing clear signs of mental issues that would require trained professionals to address.
Guaranteed that Josh Duggar is not the only monster in that house. He's just the only one who's been outed so far
He was the stupid and entitled monster, who was just used to be protected. He thought he doesn't need to hide it that well, or he was too stupid to do so
Agreed
@The_Serpent_of_EdenSpoken like true bigot and ignorance.
I dont believe that at all.Most of those boys are decent caring hard working young men....probably better than most young men these days.
Not at all. The actions of one doesn't reflect the rest. Thank God for a Constitutional Republic.
"Daisy's Destruction" was so monstrous that the gore community believed it was just an urban legend up until the Australian child murderer who filmed it was arrested.
The FBI has also done a great job covering it up, making it nearly impossible to access the full thing. It makes me sick to my stomach that something like that exists
I'd like to point out that 'Daisy' (not her real name) was 18 months old.
A year and a half old.
That man is a fucking monster.
@@Mila-Rosa I´ve gone years thinking she was at least 10 and thinking that the suppossed urban legend couldn´t get worse, until now.
@@lemonpanda1137 she was left with permanent disabilities due to her abuse, she's absolutely going to "know" something bad happened to her, along with the trauma and life long mental health battles she will be left with
@@lemonpanda1137 It's a gore video if I'm not mistaken, she likely didn't survive it. And I get what you mean, but I don't think not remembering the reason behind the trauma is better or worse than being conscious of it, I think it's just a different type of suffering.
Child abuser. "blanket training" = hitting the INFANT when said infant reaches for a toy or for the caregiver. Justified as learning discipline? NO. It's must torture and creepy abuse.
Whoa.. I had heard about “blanket training” and I thought it was cruel enough when it was just toys the child was punished for reaching for. I had no idea that these babies weren’t allowed to do the most natural thing, reach out for their loved one, without being abused for it. How tragic :(
The Pearls...
@@miaomiaochanthe Pearls are terrible 'people'. What they are advocating is abuse (physical and psychological), and assault and battery.
Absolutely! It's one of the worst forms of abuse I've ever heard of, and I'm surprised the Pearls weren't prosecuted for inventing that horrific practice!
@@LisaKofflerA lot of lawmakers in those parts actually support the Pearls and their sick methods, because they're cut from the same sick cloth.
One time my parents and older sister (mormon) and I (absolutely NOT mormon) were at the salt lake airport, and my mom and sister suddenly looked really excited and got up, and nearly ran over to talk to a man and a woman. And I was curious bc sometimes we have family I don't know about, so I went over there with them, and asked them who these people were. And they all looked really uncomfortable and my mom and sister tried to shoo me away, and I was like "What??? Who are they??? Should I know???"
Afterwards they came over and yelled at me bc the man and woman were the Duggar parents and I straight up told them to their face I had no idea who tf they were. That's my proudest moment tbh.
That's incredible lol
Good on you lol that's hilarious
That happened to me at the Dallas Airport when we got back from Australia. They were handing flyers and I was calling my mother to talk to her rather than run over there. I didn't know how they were either. I was 14 and coming down sick.
I never would've known who they were if it were not for their awful son. Everything I heard about them as a kid came in the form of their scandals on magazine covers. Absolutely disgusting that they took the path they did instead of doing literally anything else to help their poor daughters.
r/thathappened
My question is where did Josh learn how to cover his tracks like that? Somewhere in that community is a circle of monsters, and Josh was just the knucklehead that got caught first.
Probably that cop JimBob sent him to.
There is a person who worked with Josh in IT who I believe testified about Josh being present while he talked about how to create a partition for security purposes.
Josh was BORN "a bad seed," and he's one of the worst types of "knuckleheads!"
@@LisaKoffler That's just a lie that lets you pretend it's insignificant that they're like mormon freaks with a disgusting view of women and sex who raised him to be the predatory weirdo he is.
Churches are full of people like Josh, plenty of people to learn from, and he learnt to cover his tracks because he, like all predators, knew it was wrong. He knows the difference between right and wrong, but chooses to molest his sisters instead.
As a sexual abuse survivor myself at age 7, it disgusts me that these parents DEFENDED AN ADMITTED ABUSER, basically dismissing the fact that some of their daughters were harmed by their eldest son, essentially by saying "boys will be boys". I'm not a parent, but if a couple decides to bear offspring, that couple has a legal and, more importantly, a MORAL obligation to protect their child(ren), even if it means sending one or more of their own to prison!
This is unfortunately very common in christian circles...
They have teached numerous girls & women, including their own daughters. That being abused by men is ok, normal & you should just let it happen & even be grateful..
How is this not a consern for the stupid censorship you have going on in the US..
@@ingridakerblom7577 I dont think its censorship but just blind negligence people see what they want to see aka a christian family but ignore whats behind that aka abuse, pedophilia and coverups
@@Nightsmith_After_Dark then why do we hear biiip all the time, when watching murican productions.. and if it's visual, it gets blurred out..
A autopsy documentary, where everything exept the Dr were blurred out..
That is what i menant..
It's somehow damaging to society to say f**k on TV, but not to expose & stop abuse & brainwashing..
@@ingridakerblom7577 i meant specifically in the case of people supporting this family... lol Im not american 1st of all. But censorship can be within the brain people ignore things that arent convenient or fit their narrative. That was more so what I was talking about. Also yeah thats just media being media
Twelve years is NOTHING for what this guy was downloading.
As a father, I just cannot fathom how a parent not only lets this behavior foster, but also does whatever he can to hide it or dismiss it. I honestly feel bad for the children that grew up in that hellhole.
15:30 we find out here that Jim Bob believes all sexual assault is always the victim's fault, which comes with the implication that he believes any victims somehow "deserved it." So I think he can excuse his son's crimes so easily because he's passing the blame
All Jim Bob & Michelle had to do was call a social worker to ask where to take golden boy
His daughters are not that imp9rtant to him.
We live in a world where fathers molest their own daughters AND get away with it. So "letting it foster" is definitely a possibility
I get so mad at how dismissive the duggars are by saying “they’re so young they don’t understand/know”. I was sexually abused as a very young child and I assure, even though I didn’t really understand what was happening, I knew something wasn’t right and I didn’t feel comfortable. Luckily my parents believed me but I still have so much trauma and issues from that abuse and it really affects different aspects of your life. I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety, and I didn’t decide to do therapy until I was an adult and it was such a godsend
Exactly!
And if they weren't so hideously against basic sex Ed, they would have known ..
I am with you. I was sexulized at a very young age and the trauma and guilt will not be relieved no matter how many therapists telling me the pain will go away if I just forgive myself.
Peace be with you.
I agree. I was 7 the first time that happened to me and I knew it wasn't right!
I agree with you, M T A! The fact is is that for sexual abuse survivors like myself, not only does trauma never truly cease, but an attitude of 'boys-will-be-boys' dismissiveness is just as toxic for those afflicted as the actual trauma itself!
I grew up in a Christian house, I’m still a Christian to this day. I’ll never forget mentioning this show to my mom and saying “they’re Christian!” And her saying “they believe that women are nothing more then baby making machines. I can’t see how you can provide everything needed for all those kids at the same time” made me take a closer look at them, and even as a kid, I knew something wasn’t right (even from a Christian perspective)
I lived in AR for many years. Every AR Baptist I've ever met was a vile insidious creepy person. And sure didn't act like a real Christian
Your mother sounds like a smart woman.
I'm a Christian too, although admittedly one who has gone through a bit of a tough stretch with my former church. Faith is powerful and important to me, so it is hard and infuriating to see it exploited and abused by people who have a real, horrifying dark side underneath the surface
@@skippythealien9627 I know, right? Unfortunately, my friend who use to be my pastor had to go through the same thing because of church politics and other people in power. They mistreated him so badly, he's no longer a full time pastor anymore. He's a science teacher now.
I remember they were living in an2 bedroom home with like 10 kids before they got all the tv money and built the big , shiny , enormous home . I was disappointed the images and reality of their poverty and all those kids wasn’t included in the documentary : As it was mentioned Jim Bob grew up in poverty. He was still living in poverty- unable to fiscally provide for all his children before the tv money .
@@amyshew1151This explains why he was more concerned about his tv image than taking responsibilities for the monstrosity going on in his own home.
Suppressing your kids' natural emotions and urges, they're going to end up weird asf EVERY TIME
He....he downloaded Daisy's Destruction and people STILL defend him...?! That clip is so indescribably horrific that even the most desensitized gore researchers can't stomach it. This demon needs to be kept in a cell for the rest of his natural life.
I googled what that is. Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Even just reading a single sentence about what that absolute horror is almost made me physically ill. Humanity is capable of some truly horrific things. For anyone else reading the above comment, do not search this out, or god forbid watch it, if thats even possible. You will regret what you find.
What's daisy's destruction? You don't have to answer if it's really bad
@@smiley6149 essentially, it's a terrible gore/cp film/video where i believe Daisy was a 2 month or year old
I only know what it is through youtube comments, and already feel worse for knowing it exist.
How can.... just how? I don't understand. How can people defend him?
There's a family kinda like the Duggars in my hometown and they have, at the very least, 9 kids with the mom being pregnant seemingly every time you see her. The mom frequently told people the same excuse as the Duggars; that she was "giving her womb up to god." Each kid is about if not less than a year apart except for the eldest, who is two years older than the next and a year my junior. I had several classes with him in high school and I remember asking him if he liked having so many siblings and he vehemently told me no. He talked about how he felt more like a babysitter than an older brother and he was tired of having to spend his free time watching them. He even told me he once begged his parents to stop having children and they just laughed at him.
Him and his younger brother both played basketball and the only time their parents showed up to a game was the very last one of the season and they only managed to stay for the last five minutes before their kids got too rowdy.
I remember going on a school trip to a significantly larger town with him and asking what he wanted to eat and he confessed that he hadn't been out of town, outside of school functions, in years and didn't really know what was out there in the first place.
I was a lifeguard at a local pool and the whole family came in one day and within 3 minutes, the four oldest had been tasked with watching the younger ones and the oldest hadn't even gotten the chance to touch the water before his dad yelled for all of them to gather their stuff and get in the car.
I don't care if you want to have a ton of children, but you have to understand that you CANNOT let your children depend on OTHER children to get their developmental needs met. At that point you rob each child the chance to grow up and enjoy being just that, A CHILD
"Womb up to god"... I bet it's not god nailing her every night.
Just wow. That's absolutely horrible. Hopefully, he was able to move out when he came of age.
Ts, ts. Your comment displays far too much of logic and reality and too little of biblical patriarchy, misogyny, ignorance, cruelty, fake sanctity, fake love, gaslighting, victim blaming, religious depravity and christian sexual pathology in it.
In other words, you are NOT going to heaven and having many virgins to play with.
I remember watching an episode that contains their “friends” who have 17-18 children. Which means there’re bunch of these kind of people around.
This can happen in much smaller families as well--my husband spent his high school years basically raising his younger two sisters.
Just don't have kids unless you plan on taking care of them yourself. If you have too many to keep track of yourself, hire an au pair or a nanny. Kids aren't meant to parent.
I would not be surprised even the slightest bit if Josh’s abuse of his sisters went much further than what he confessed to.
The story they give is usually not the full story.
I feel like the one daughter who is not married and does a majority of childcare is the one who could have gotten it the worst. I’m just speculating based on observation. She should be married according to their standards and isn’t. Then when Josh was on trial for possession of CP was arrested when his kids were in her care. It felt like retaliation in a way. Who knows how much they have buried.
I was thinking that or she could be gay and is scared to come out because of how their family is. Either way it’s still a shitty position to be in
He probably was abused and continued down the line.
@@maddisonrose9876I never thought about it like that. Hell his father was probably the abuser.
Josh's wife Anna ... continuing to stick with him and continuing to bear him babies ... I am speechless about that.
She's brainwashed to think divorce is a sin, and we all know how single moms are viewed in that community. She is staying for survival.
@@miaomiaochanfunny thing is the Bible literally permits people to divorce their partner if they are being unfaithful
obviously any kind of child abuse material is horrendous but when you said he had downloaded daisy's destruction my jaw actually dropped. incase anyone is lucky enough to not know much about it its one of the worst things I've ever heard of, not just child sexual abuse but extreme torture and eventual murder of very young children. josh is a fucking monster and I truly hope he rots in jail
I haven't gotten that far into the video but my jaw dropped after reading your comment. The fact this psycho even had that.... Off with his nuts and head .
@@Piedhiper I couldn't remember the age of the child in this particular video but I just braved googling it and 'Daisy' was 18 MONTHS OLD. an actual baby and put through the worst things imaginable. like you said off with that monster's fucking head
@@bea9631 yup! You're she was 18 months. I've heard what they did to her poor girl 😔. People like josh deserve nothing but torture.
Me too I was so shocked, having heard of the video and the guy being arrested it's known that, that particular video is very hard to come by and that takes some real digging and or money to obtain. That man is disgusting, and hope he rots.
Seriously?! Fuck. This world is disgusting.
Great video! Important to note that the birth control pill DOES NOT cause miscarriage. It prevents ovulation but can’t affect an egg once it has been fertilized and implanted. I’ve actually never seen anyone in a Duggar video debunk this but just an important note
Thank you for sharing, I didn't think it effected a fertilized egg but wasn't sure
@@sarahc8862 sure thing! You can double check on the Mayo Clinic website. It’s encouraged to stop taking it once you know you’re pregnant but if you’re unknowingly pregnant and still take it for example it has some correlation to low birth weight but not to miscarriage or even to birth defects
Exactly. It's such a load of BS..
Yeah it only causes cancer, hormonal changes, blood clots etc…. Lol
@@Gudgurl28 not saying it’s good or bad I just wanted to correct the misinformation
The Duggars: how could the media expose our daughters like this!!!
Also the Duggars: make their daughters do an interview answering for Josh's abuse of them instead of having Josh answer for his actions himself.
They so clearly don't give a single shit about their daughters well being, it's all about making sure their golden child Josh and his reputation are okay, even if he is thoroughly and forever disgraced. They are sick, selfish, unrepentant abusers and they deserve as much jail time as he has for trying to push the blame on the victims, trying to cover up their sons atrocities, and enabling the abuse that happened in the first place.
As someone who lives in the south, having faith for the formative years of my life was basically just fear mongering which when my OCD started really kicking up i basically tortured myself for around 7 or 8 years. It led to having PTSD because any amount of guilt was magnified and i was convinced God was going to hurt me. It took everything in me and also finding The Bible Project and the concepts of different branches that have different interpretations helped me climb out of that horrible hole. I guess im just typing this to attest to the fact that religious trauma is genuinely some of the most damaging experiences and im lucky to have made it out the other side with my faith intact and a more complete understanding of american Christianity.
Listening to those transphobic statements just being laid out like that is disgusting and I can't believe she actually did that. Protect our Trans people ❤
Even though Jana being filmed while Josie having a seizure is insanely traumatic, the fact they were filming may have saved Josie's life. Legally, there has to be EMTs on filming sets and they HAVE to be close by in case something happens. So TLC being there that day was a blessing in disguise... in a very exploitative way.
The show must go on
Ironicly the Dougars who are so anti union have unions to thank for having EMTs on the set.
Seizures aren't typically life threatening unless you are withdrawing from ETOH. Ive seen hundreds of seizures and they are terrifying but Ive seen one where the patient actually turned blue and would have died had they not been in the ER. She could have choked on her vomit though.
What's with the trollish avatar? No, having exploiters in the house did not save josie. Her seizure would not have killed her.
@@crazycatlady8285 what is ETOH? Not all of us know.
I was one of those kids who parented my younger brother (and parents...they were mentally ill). I feel bad for those kids who have to parent their siblings since it sucked having to put others needs before yourself
Been there. I'm sorry you went through the same.
well just dont, be selfish and fuck them lol
same i was a little kid parenting 3 toddlers and 1 newborn. im almost 20 now and still doing it. its hard and i cant imagine having 19 siblings
My religious dad and I discussed a thing called “a lack of opportunities” that happens in families with lots of children. So basically let’s say for example one of the children wanted to go to college - that opportunity disappears because that child may have not had the time or energy (due to taking care of younger siblings) to study and gain the qualifications needed to enter college and therefore loses the opportunity to get the career they want that they otherwise would’ve had if they had fewer siblings and more attention. The older children also lose out on their childhood and the luxury of holidays since it would be too expensive with that many children. It’s so selfish for the parents to do that to their children.
They don't think the girls need college because their husbands will provide for them. Jim Bob also expected to use the son-in-laws as unpaid labor
@@rosesweetcharlotte not surprised he looks down on his daughters’ intelligence judging by that bullshit book he follows
It's also difficult to get financial aid. If you're in a family of 8 children, but your parents make too much to receive financial aid, that money is spread out over 8 kids and unless you're a super genius who studied very hard (not possible if you're basically a replacement parent).
it should absolutely be considered child abuse and neglect as even if 2 people can somehow financially support this shit, they literally cannot emotionally provide for that many kids it’s just straight up not possible
@@kadenstimpson3167 I mean, usually for financial aid forms, you put in how many people are in your household/what’s reported on your tax forms, and that gets factored in. If you’re attending a school with a good endowment, and you make $150k/yr, but have 20 dependents, they’ll factor that in.
Okay so I’ve been molested by a family member, and it infuriates me so much when I see other families react how mine did. My grandad molested me, and when I spoke up, they were convinced by him that he just had a diabetic episode (which A, doesn’t make a lot of sense, and B, wasn’t the case because of how he was speaking to me during and before). He was reacting perfectly fine, wasn’t tired or clammy or confused, he called me by my name during. He knew what he was doing, and whenever I tried to turn away, he would move with me. I just tried to pretend to be asleep and hope it stopped, because that’s all I could do.
He died very recently, and every single person around me calls him a saint. He single-handedly ruined my entire relationship with my sexuality that I still feel now, and no one acknowledges it. It’s why I’m not carrying his coffin, I’m not crying for him, I’m crying because the people around me are dealing with grief, and I will continue to be okay, knowing that everyone around me is safe from him, and that I don’t have to keep listening every night to make sure he stays asleep in bed and doesn’t come in to me or more importantly my sibling. I don’t hope he’s in hell if I’m the only instance of this happening, but I hope he isn’t in heaven or a good place. He doesn’t deserve it after the anguish he made me endure.
The transphobic tirade made by the mom is hilarious because it's always the case, whenever someone goes on about "We must protect our kids" from trans or just queer people exist it is 99% of the time a self report
comes across as very 'oh my gosh, look at THAT person, they're sooo bad, oh wow....' while trying to push their own skeletons back in their closet
If the finger is pointed away from you, it's not pointed towards you
The hypocrisy of her statements are astounding.
I was laughing out loud during that part really.
"Oh of course the parents are transphobic and homophobic, couldn't be more typical if they tried"
IT IS 😭
The second the title “Daisy’s Destruction” was mentioned, my jaw genuinely dropped. I haven’t seen the video (nor do I ever wish to see it), but by description alone, my heart stops beating. Only a heartless and sickening person would want to see it to gain gratification out of it.
Josh does not deserve 12 years in prison, he deserve a an entire lifetime. A sickening man like that does not change, they created new methods to not get caught.
What’s even more sickening to think about is that video was “exclusive”. For years, even on the deep and dark web, it was viewed as an urban legend of what could be out there on the internet.
Very few people actually viewed it in full. Meaning Josh more than likely purchased it or traded other videos/files for it, meaning he had exclusive access to some really extremely messed up stuff to even be able to get his hands on daisys destruction in it’s entirety. It also means he more than likely had a lot of really deep connections, which could also explain why he got so little time. He could’ve given up information on bigger players (like people who produce it).
And the investigators would know it was the actual daisys destruction in full, because in cases like this, even if it’s a well known piece of abuse material that’s been reviewed thousands of times for other cases, the investigators have to review every piece of media multiple times and manually in order to be able to testify and explain it in court to a jury.
I am suddenly very concerned for his kids……
@@dysmissme7343 honestly we should be. Who is to say he didn’t do something to his kids?
But at the same time, it might not be a big worry for it to happen now. He is going to be literally monitored with his own children even after he is released from prison. He will never be able to be alone even with his own children, let alone any child out side his family. And once he’s released, he will more than likely have no access to the internet.
I agree completely. Nobody who would 👋🏻🍆 while he watches babies being tortured needs to be in public EVER.
@@artistvsworld419 The court may appoint his wife as the one to supervise him. It has been done before.
survivors never forget their trauma, even if it's repressed from them being young. the parents trying to downplay the abuse is insane--those girls' lives were completely altered from what they went through. i wasn't that young, but i'm a survivor too and i do think that something in me died or changed back then. you never forget.
Let's not forget that these children were taught that a) physical abuse is not the worst thing and b) the victims are the ones to be blamed for this.
That must make this even worse ...
if my child sexually assaulted a child that would not be my kid anymore. plain and simple. I don't tolerate that shit, especially after being raped myself at the ripe old age of three.
I'm sorry for you.
I wish you and your loved ones will have a good, long, healthy life! 🙂
Crazy to think they'd probably disown one of their MANY children for being gay but would advocate for the freedom and forgiveness of their pedophilic son.....
100%
Exactly! So being gay is terrible and can't be tolerated, however, let's forgive the pedo.... OK THAT makes sense... NOT!
Imagine living in a family, where instead of being protected from a predator, your own family, AS WELL as strangers take the predator's side instead of you, the victim.
....Honestly I'd probably hang it up at that point. Just out of spite really.
There’s a short clip on the Internet of Michelle screaming as she was unaware the cameras were in the house and rolling. As soon as she saw the camera, she immediately s(witch)ed into her ‘sweet talking - loving’ self.
It’s hilarious and scary.
Fake people, real lies.
I heard the kids were told they had to look happy all the time too. How long until holding in some feelings that weren't so happy results in an explosion...
Do you have a link for it?
@@priscilajaneth4695 unfortunately, I don’t. It is a short clip that was shown in a video about the Duggars. She was in a small hallway and looking left, and yelling then she looked towards the right, saw the cameras, went into character and sweet talked her was into the living room. That was all I needed to see. I hope you find it.
@@chakkakon I've seen it ,, think I remember it was Jill's husband recording it
@ Chakka Kon you got that right! Her voice makes me want to puke it reminds me of the FDL Mormon cult- keep sweet
My ex-girlfriend was in the same homeschool group as the Duggars and talked to me about them over a decade ago. I was not the least bit surprised when stuff came out, if anything, it was shocking how long it took things to come out.
I just love how Jim Bob just gave up using a rubber. Like, they had a bad experience with pills and instead of not using pills anymore, they just swore off EVERYTHING contraception. Like yeah, the most sensible choice, definitely.
I bet if HE was the one who had to carry the babies for 9 months and birth them, he'd have been perfectly happy to continue using contraception.
He's a true American hero, you guys just don't understand. Your cat rapists.
He was being selfish. Condoms don’t feel as good. How Christian of him
He could've just snip them poms poms off. Safer that way rather than making the wife take contraceptives that are dangerous for her and baby.
Or pull out… a better chance of not getting her pregnant rather than not do anything at all.
The fact that Jim Bob and Michelle weren't brought up on charges is amazing to me. Child neglect,child endangerment, etc. Just utterly disgusting. This family has always creeped me out. They are disgusting people who dare to call themselves Christians. They are definitely not
Then not only that but they used the blanket technique where they put a baby on a blanket and slap it with a ruler when it tries to crawl off. That’s sick. I understand they use corporal punishment (a rod and who knows what that means). My parents have used belts, paddles and wooden spoons on me but it was far from abuse. They didn’t beat me with a rod. That is creepy. No one sexually abused anyone in my family and I’m pretty sure my dad and grandpa’s would kill anyone who tried.
My parents believe in God but our family didn’t focus on that and my sisters are allowed to wear whatever they want and my brothers and I can wear shorts.
I mean, this family was/is very very odd and they should be investigated by child protective service.
User-ie, sounds like you were abused.
Thays because they were most likley good friends with tje cops. They tend to do that
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 ….are you talking to me? No, I’m not abused.
@@WyattRyeSway being hit as a child for acting like a child with belts and other objects does count as abuse, it's why they don't do it in schools anymore. You wouldn't hit an adult for behavior you saw as bad when you can explain what was wrong, so why would you hit a child
the scene where the daughter is crying in the interview saying we were victims is so heartbreaking, shame on the media for thinking that was some kind of entertainment.
I would have been utterly miserable in that family. I never wanted kids in the first place, and the thought of having to act as a mom before I was even a teenager....hell no
I once opened up about my trauma of repeated sexual assault (by a prepubescent boy who was our neighbor) when I was about 4-5 years old to a friend. That friend basically said "well u were young so you probably don't remember it." I did remember it a lot of it, however, I couldn't understand or comprehend the gravity of what was happening to me at the time. All I knew was that I didn't like it one bit. I felt so small and ashamed after hearing that and that was just from a friend. I cannot imagine hearing that from your very own parent, who are supposed to protect you. I hope those daughters heal from their past.
My mother said, when I was 50, something about people not remembering their childhoods. So I described to her, the little toys which were strung on elastic across the top of my pram, when I was a baby. She couldn’t believe it.
Ignorant people has the conception that small child don't remember, but her body remember every detail, and give out the awful details when she grow up. The details will be traumatic that many don't survive. Body never forget. Abuse a small child is the evilest of evil. They are innocent and vulnerable.
I’m so sorry. The trauma climbs up to you no matter what. The subconscious mind never forgets the horror. So many people are truly ignorant about sexual assault and its effects in general, it’s so sad.
Wow, so sorry you had to go through that not only the experience itself but being dismissed....they are both equally damaging to your psyche and hope you have been able to come to a place where you are not traumatized...what a despicable thing to have to live
i was assaulted by two older girls when i was about 7. i never remembered the incident until later, but i remember absolutely hating the place it happened, and i would try to get out of going there at all costs. my whole life since then has been operated by fear of which i didn't know the source. i never went anywhere alone, i always wore shorts under my skirts and dresses, and never used public bathrooms if i could help it. the rush of the memory coming back to me was one of the most overwhelming things i've ever experienced.
my brain was protecting me, it knew that on top of everything else i was going through as a child i would not have been able to handle it, so it never revealed the memory to me until later. i thank it for that.
the thought that young children won't see any consequences of an assault on them is utterly horrific when used as an excuse- it is completely false.
So sad that they think the women are at fault for being raped and blame them for things like what they’re wearing
Yet THEY dressed those children and did practically NOTHING when their son assaulted their CHILDREN. And they clearly take the sons side, it’s so sad that their daughters have to live like that.
The dresses they (and orher sects), make the women and girls wear are very "childish", braids and ribbons in their hair,
it's all so creepy and disgusting.
Their kids never wore anything “revealing” tho they were very modest
@@brendamiller5785 And mama's baby voice.
@@brennathecatlover4360 yeah exactly, that’s why it’s so ironic.
@@brennathecatlover4360 exactly! That’s why their argument about how it’s a woman’s fault for being assaulted because she did smthin or was wearing smthing wrong is ironic cause it happened to their daughters who they deemed dressed in an appropriate way
Her anti trans voicemail she left on everyone’s phones is so disgusting when you consider her son literally molested her OWN children.
Right, they were taught to fear a trans person, when in fact it was their own brother who was unsafe
they are always always projecting when they are fervently calling lgbtq people those things. remember that.
It's disgusting on it's own. It's even more disgusting that we know what they and Josh has done.
Yet another example of right wing projection; just look at the entire Sound of Freedom debacle, the groomer panic shit, Qanon, Russell Brand, etc. The loudest voices crying "groomer" at trans people have been implicated in the worst crimes imaginable.
12 years? That’s all he got? This is a disgrace
The Arkansas state trooper who didn't report Josh Duggar's abuse ends up later going to prison himself for sexual crimes involving children?! You can't make this shit up.
Grew up in Arkansas. My dad was running for office the same time Jim Bob was - he met him ONCE and didn't know who he was. A few years later my dad walked by the tv as I was watching that show and stopped and said "oh, I met him. he was such a creep I made sure I wasn't around him ever again." My dad is a sweet person and rarely speaks ill about people - so I knew then and there Jim Bob was a bad person.
I live in NWA, about an hour away from springdale, and their reach is FAR! I used to work at a makeup store, and my coworkers say they saw Michelle at the mall, a few days after the arrest in 2021. Not saying that insinuates to anything, but it's crazy to me that they're our local "celebs". I'm not originally from Arkansas, but when I moved here and heard more about them, I was just blown away that people were still holding up Josh Duggar in this community. And I truly don't think they realize just how vile his actions are
@@bugvision2312 I lived in NWA for 9 years. Anyone who still upholds them knows what they're doing. Ended a few friendships over that
@@bugvision2312I grew up living about 5 miles down the road from them (tontitown). I get creeps even passing their house. Can’t stand them.
It also blows my mind their children are STILL running for offices here. Gross.
Did your dad elaborate on what was creepy about him? Did he say or do anything or just a vibe?
My abuser also went for counselling with a 'church counsellor'. So you know that he was cured after three sessions and just went on with his life. He spent decades trying to destroy my spirit, my character, my life, my relationship with my mum and siblings. My siblings go on holiday with him while no one in my family even acknowledges me.
Im so sorry you had to go through this. Just know you are important and you matter. I hope you can find peace and heal 💖
They're the ones who are gonna be going to hell for that, remember that!
I understand why you felt motivated to make that comment. We acknowledge you. You now have your own life, because you are here, welcome.
I’m so sorry you had to go through that! Sometimes family are the people you choose so I hope you surround yourself with loving and supportive people! You have nothing to be ashamed of or apologize for and I hope you find love and peace!!
Get new family! I’m here if you want to talk!
The most telling moment of that catastrophic interview was when they talked about finding out from their church group that having a son molest younger daughters is COMMON there. Once they found out they weren't the ONLY one, it seems like they were extremely relieved, and also convinced molestation couldn't be a PROBLEM if it was common in their church.
that whole church is possessed or something
@@demonslayereren3970 Oh no don't worry molestation is just hella common in religions. I mean having someone who speaks "in the name of god" definitely helps having an easy access to kids
It is very common in churches. The Bible commands men to kidnap and “marry” young girls. Can’t expect any follower of a faith like that to have actual sound morals.
Religion breeds the biggest hypocrites.
Im not a Christian, or religious by any means, let alone Mormon
But it pains me to know how the Duggar girls feel. I raised my little brother, who's only nineteen months my junior. We had mentally defect parents with an holier-than-thou attitudes. And Im a victim of csa.
It pains me to have a father/child dynamic with my barely little brother. It pains me to be blamed, tossed around and b€@t down by my parents because of how self righteous they are.
And it will haunt me about how my csa was handled. It blew up enormously in my face. My assailant was dragged before me crying and begging for mercy as her father yelled if I wanted him to hurt her. And my parents ignored and blamed me for what happened. Three years, and a lifetime of innocence gone. I was told I didn't fight hard enough, I should've said no louder. And worst of all, I was told it didn't matter because I'd forget.
And that was correct, my mother was right, I did forget. But I remembered. At seventeen it hit me like a truck. The night terrors, the ptsd. It all came at once. The moment I was safe, healthy and happy enough to bear that horror, my brain unflipped the forget switch.
Those poor duggar women deserve nothing but love, warmth and comfort. They always will
The Duggars aren't Mormon they belong to the Quiverfull cult
That's awful. I hope you're in a much safer place now and are getting the help you need to deal with that trauma. I can't imagine.
But just as a note, they're Baptist, not Mormon.
I root so hard for the Duggar girls to leave this abusive shitshow and be their own people.
The Duggars aren't Mormon. Although it's easy to see why you'd make that mistake, as Mormons are the ones known for cult-like large families that repress abuse.
The body remembers what the mind doesn’t. I was sexually abused by my maternal grandfather when I was about 18 months old. I didn’t *know* it had happened until I was told about it, but I just felt “off”.
It’s so hard to describe, but then finding out something so terrible happened to me that I couldn’t even remember…that was a trauma in and of itself.
You like cats?
body remembers trauma so well it’s scary
I'm sorry to hear that, I hope you've gotten support since then
@@gogo_8807im borderline about to vomit. I had my own sexual abuse to the extreme by a family member… and you bringing that up is 100% right
That just gave me chills.
I was sexually harassed by an adult man when I was about fifteen. I buried it so hard that I basically forgot about it entirely but certain things men said to me made me queasy. I finally remembered it years later and felt sick
I can’t even imagine what that was like for you. I’m so sorry about what happened to you. I really hope you have the support you need
As someone who is a Christian, it breaks my heart to see these kinds of situations happen without Christians speaking out against it. If this isn't the image we want or the kind of religion we want to push, then we gotta be the first in line to call out crimes and abuse when it happens
Agreed!!
Agreed 100%
If more of you don't speak out against it, how can you be sure it isn't what they want?
Would it really be surprising?
The religious community is complicit in these perversions. As a result of this, and for other reasons, they have lost the millennial generation and most of the zoomers.
I can't believe how many alleged people of faith fail to speak out against what Trump has done to damage true conservatism.
There is no correlation between taking hormonal birth control and having miscarriages.
Listening to this, I realize that I should probably report my own father for what he did to me. I was so mad about what Josh did that I realize I shouldnt be protecting my dad myself.
i know it's not a lot, but be careful, i believe in you. it's not easy.
I'm really sorry that happened to you. I live in nj where the statue of limitations got extended for SA. Once I'm able to move out, I plan to report my brother for what he did to me.
Stay strong, you're not alone! ❤
Kylie, I’m so sorry that happened to you. 💗 Whatever helps you find peace is the right choice. I hope you see in this comment section that (sadly) you are not alone in your experiences, and there is support for you no matter what path you take.
I wish you the best of luck in getting the justice you deserve.
Your dad is gonna realize karma’s a bitch. Good luck man, rooting for you
as someone whose first memory of this world was being molested by a sibling: no I did not understand what was going on, only how I felt, it was the first time I ever experienced dissociation, the first time I felt TRULY powerless, hopeless, and horrified. Because I was a child I did not know it was wrong, or I was supposed to tell my parents. That doesn't mean it hasn't haunted every moment of my life since. THE IRONY OF HER BEING SCARED OF TRANS WOMEN IS SO ABSURD
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Could be my story. It hunts you the rest of your life
Describes my life. Well well Well said.
Yeah I feel for his sisters and the report being made public like that.
My mom always said there was something off about them: Having that many kids and basically making the older ones parents. She would've loved this video.
Your Mom was correct! I too had a bad feeling about the Duggars. And this was before I learned a lot about cults and such. RIP to your Mom. Mine has been gone since 2010. It’s been a nightmare since she’s been gone.
Me too!!
Moms are always right
@@00loudog as you can see with this video, moms are NOT always right. They are humans.
Your mother is a smart lady.
I personally feel that Jim, Bob and Michelle should have immediately lost custody of all of their children. The fact that they knew what he was doing and they covered it up allowing him to continue to do so proves that they are a danger to their own children.
Imagine trying to justify/distinguish that your son isn’t a predator (p3d0) because he was a 15 not 16 when he touched his younger siblings. Pure insanity.
The parents are so disgusting honestly. My mom and dad had two girls and that’s it. My parents were actual parents and let us be what we are their kids. If anything it’s embarrassing and selfish.
Same here. It’s just me and my sister. My parents only wanted two kids. So it’s nice to be able to be a kid. I agree.
Same here,my sister and I had a great childhood since it was just us
I have a bit more siblings than a regular family (we are six kids) but my three older siblings are all adults and were already in college by the time the rest of us were born. I think having many kids is a double edged sword, if you can take care of them then that's great! But if you don't, that a whole lot of trauma your kids will have to live with. Just my two cents!
Would I turn my own child in? Yes. Yes, I would. If my child hurts another person, I will turn them in. I'd rather my child be in prison and kept from harming others, than to know my child could harm others and I'd be complicit. That said, my kid can't even kill bugs so 💁
A sociopath your child is NOT. Sounds like they are a Angel who’s loves all the little gross icky creatures. My cousin’s youngest was that way when she was a wee one. Would come inside “LOOK WHAT I FOUND?!?!?” I’d be excited to and look in her hand. She’d have about five rolly pollys in her hand. “Oh that’s wonderful dear….”😳😵💫
They sound like a good egg
Especially when those other people are your own damn young daughters!
I don’t care where you come from and what your relations to me is, you hurt someone in my family in a vile way turning you in is merciful compared to what I am capable of
trash mom lol
I think there are limits. If I lived in the USSR and my kids was reading something forbidden, I would not turn them in, but real crimes that physically hurt other people, there would be no mercy.
Josh Duggar is a genuine danger to society, raised with ideology that he is righteous, powerful, and should do whatever he wants *even if it is both illegal and morally wrong*. Josh should not be released from prison, as I have money on him being an immediate repeat offender.
Apparently he got caught in prison with a cellphone that had CP 🍕 on it.
I was in a situation as a child where I had more than one family member molesting me from nearly the time I was born until I was 12 years old. My family refused to report it and got angry with me for breaking down and telling a school counselor because one of the offenders, my brother, was arrested and spent three years in prison. They said I should have kept it in the family even though they wouldn't make it stop. Then I was blamed for the abuse as well. 12 year old versus an 18 year old. I was 5 years old when my brother started doing that to me. I had stopped trying to tell anyone for years because I told my family so many times and each time they did nothing. After everything, I never got any mental help until I moved out at 18. The other offender was my father who is now thankfully dead and hopefully burning in hell. Two other non family members have abused me since then. This shit messes people up BIG TIME. For these people to defend this monster's actions for so long absolutely disgusts me. I HATE pedophiles with every ounce of my being. They deserve nothing good in life. I have to live with what they did forever and so do all other victims of SA. Pedophiles should get a life sentence too. They get off way too easy and it sickens me.
I’m so sorry this happened to you. I know I can’t offer much but I hope you’re able to heal & get the justice you deserve 💓
That infuriorates me!! They should be tortured by the GP.
I hope you can get all the help you need and may your family suffer because they deserved it
I’m so sorry you had to endure this. I’m grateful your father is dead, and I hope you get your revenge on your brother (And that you NEVER get caught)! I’m sending love and support and strength, go get ‘em, boo. You got this.
That's terrible! You never deserved that and I hope you have the support you need now
my family has always been extremely christian and we’ve *never* liked the duggars. they’ve always acted so holier-than-thou and all they’ve ever done is further the stigma about christians all being closed-minded hypocrites. a lot of christians absolutely despise that they’ve been platformed for so long.
it is a SHAME that people like this are cited as “the regular american christian family”
Agreed, always didn’t like them
@@micaharies Nobody assumed this was a "typical Christian family." That's why they were on TV.
I'm more concerned that "typical Christian families" keep acting like fundamentalists are okay.
I am a Christian (with seasoning as I like to say) and I can tell you I am very open minded. I see religion(of any kind) as a supplement to life-think vitamins. The Duggar’s are the worst example of Christians.
Same. As a Christian they always weirded me out, Jimbob especially, something always felt off about him to me.
Things we learned from this family: Never trust overly religious people or anyone with more than 5 kids
Tbh depends on how spaced out the births are, if there's like a few decades age difference between some of them it's not necessarily bad. Never trust anyone raising 5 kids at the same time though lol.
@@hellothere9520 I think there’s a huge difference between raising 5 and 19 kids tbh. My mom had 4 siblings, and they turned out fine for the most part. It was more normal back then, though there was at LEAST a 2 year gap between the kids. Most people in my family only have two kids though
@@hellothere9520 like the gosselins
@@hellothere9520 a few decades of age difference? so if a mom has a baby at 21 then at 61?? that would be impossible though at 61. but yea there can be 10 or 15 years between siblings but like 40 years??
Should you really trust anyone?