Napoleon is a chronic backstabber. He may as well be a warmonger. Even though his bonuses are towards culture victory, he still can't help but backstab at every opportunity.
What the hell France? 1. gets DoF with you 2. aks to go to war with Byzanthium together 3. you get DoF with Byzanthium 4. backstabs you and declares war 5. gets DoF with Byzanthium xD
First France then Spain, I'm starting to feel like all of Europe hates the Mongols for some reason, I have no idea why. Maybe thy heard you casting about warplots through the microphone. XD As you said, this is shaping up to be a very exciting game.
I think that, once you're done fending off Spain and built up your army enough, you should try to get Theodora to go to war with you to destroy Napoleon. And then keep friends with her as long as you can and possibly kill her last. The joys of Civ.
I love the little conversation between you and the other civ leaders when they declare war. Kinda makes me wonder why the ones that have weapons on them (like Shaka and Oda) don't just stab you on the spot.
Heh, looks like Nappy and Isabella have encountered the Keshik rush before, they're desperately trying to murder Marbo Khan before he can train them! Stay at war with Spain until Madrid has fallen now i reckon. You can farm some xp for your chariot archers so they already have a couple of promotions before u can upgrade em, you'll have 4 Keshiks with Logistics by the time Madrid is yours :-)
It'd be cool if there were natural disasters and stuff in this game. You know, like an earthquake hits a city and some buildings are destroyed, or a coastal city gets hit with a tsunami and loses some population. Just saying.
i wouldn't like disasters randomly breaking my cities buildings, but tornadoes/ blizzards/ hurricanes on the map and oceans that can injure or otherwise debuff units would be neat
Edward Irra Marb actually played with a mod wit hevents before, though I can't recall the name right now. They were not disasters per se, but events that could modify your tile yields or increase your happiness in exchange for gold, etc...
Seriously, a lot more civ, it never gets old, thats what the wievers want :-) This series is super cool so far, as always, thanks a lot for nice entertainment.
I'm pleased to see that you got attacked early on. I often get double teamed but don't last. Hoping to pick up a few tips with this one. I'm also playing Mongols and instead of an early war China stuck their 2nd city right up my backside!
Safe from Napoleon just because he offered you friendship? :D The minute you move your army away to attack someone else, Napoleon is right there to backstab you. 99% probability.
I would just get more horses from Theodora and keep building chariot archers. No real need for comp bows or catapults. Just defend and keep getting experience, then start taking cities when you have keshiks (and a horseman or 2 to cap). I wouldn't even settle another city unless it's to forward settle toward Spain to connect up easier later. You can never have too many keshiks - I like to aim for at least 16 (not even kidding). You don't need any other units (except a horseman to cap) when you have keshiks, at least for a long time. It's amazing when you have a dozen or more fully promoted keshiks - you won't even believe it.
Spain likes to maintain a fairly big army? In my games Spain always has the smallest army, unless Portugal is in it as well (because they build like no units at all). And I usually have extremely small armies, so that says a lot. Napoleon is a completely different story however (as you might have noticed). Edit: Okay, nevermind. This is getting interesting...
This exact thing happened with me in my last game, Napoleon backstabbed me. Only difference is that I couldn't defend it with chariot archers, because there were not a lot of forest tiles on my city borders. So my question is what should one do when there arent't any forest tiles (or just a few) on the side you want to defend ? (this means the melee units close in on your city much faster and start to attack it) Honestly these early parts of any of your series are the most exciting but I like them all. Ty for the vids ! More civ always good ! Cheers
Is there room for waffle stomping city states as the Mongols on Deity? I was kind of looking forward to it, but looks like city state strategy won't be any different from usual.
pro tip: you can trade 1 gold per turn for 1 horse and do it 3 times, it's cheaper ;) (i think you do this in the later games, just leaving it here for the viewers mostly)
Is that the White Peace bug? Napoleon was saying "Your complete capitulation sounds reasonable", so he was going to make a very harsh treaty, which of course you'd refuse. Would have been interesting to see if you could have stopped him taking your second city had the war continued..
Hey, I'm new to Civ 5, but I'm loving this damn game. Can I ask a few questions? If you answered yes, just reply to this question, and if no, just ignore me. 1. What's the best opening, in general? I realize that both this question and the next are variable, but I always, always have trouble choosing what to do. 2. Best technologies? Also, how many cities early game? 3. Can you list, in your opinion, which is the hardest victory condition, from hardest to easiest? Eg. Domination is hardest, then cultural. Like that. Though, I'm not saying it's in that order.
1. Go for tradition policies 2. 3 cities by turn 100 will get you far, techs are your own preferences but an own religion helps your score - so you might want to get philosophy and work from there. 3. Hardest in higher difficulties varies, since you may have warmongerers making domination hardest, though you may also have cultured civs making culture victory hard. Easiest victory type in my opinion is the diplomatic or the science. Hope I helped you out.
1. Tradition in general. Liberty could be fun on lower difficulties, claiming land is always fun or if you have a particular wonder you want to rush with a liberty finisher great engineer. 2.1. I wouldn't call there's a best technology, I think what you want to know is how you prioritize tech. In the beginning, prioritize tech needed for your luxuries (eg. calendar for plantation) or tech needed for any early wonder you plan to get (In lower difficulties only). If you have aggressive neighbour, research construction to get composite bowman. But you always prioritize science techs through out the whole game, until you have a significant tech lead (can check in demographic and how many science the other side get in trade routes). Also, you probably want to prioritize techs that give you your unique unit and unique building to get the advantage earlier. 2.2. yea, 3 cities by turn 100 is pretty good. If you settle too much cities you are delaying national college. Usually I settle 3 to 4 cities, including the first one, the rest I took it from ai, unless there's a really good location, like a natural wonder. And it's ok to have just 3 to 4 cities through out the whole game, most of my non-domination game have 3 to 4 cities only, it's easier to control. 3. Easiest for me is science, as you always prioritize on science anyway. Diplomatic comes second, because all you need is just a little more money, plus buying city states gives you bonuses as well. Then domination, usually with a tech lead AIs are pretty easy to crush, it'd be even easier if most capital are coastal. Hardest for me is culture because it require me to plan it right from the start, like getting certain wonders, and it requires me to focus on 3 things, 1. science, because science is very important gives you advantage over everything. 2.a little military, for defense. 3.culture (tourism), to actually win the game. Also, it pretty much force me to finish aesthetic tree, so I can buy tourism nuke (great musician) with faith in the late game. Yes, I hate culture victory xD
1. Yeah, go for tradition and don't start other tress until you finish it. 2. Concentrate on getting tech for your nearby luxuries. When it's done go for libraries and national college. Better don't try building early world wonders- it will slow you down and you may even fail finishing them. Then I would act depending on what win I wished to achieve ( military, cultural, science). But try not to get far behind in tech even when you don't go for spaceship victory. 3. I consider all victories equal in difficulty- usually when I win I can go for any of them (maybe except cultural vic, cause if you want to get it you must concentrate more heavily on it).
***** Actually, Tradition is WAY stronger than Liberty because it scales very well through the mid-game and into the late game, while Liberty doesn't. Tradition policies are also way stronger in general, it's not even a competition. Liberty used to be good for ICS, but that strategy died long ago, Brave New World favors tall rather than wide and Tradition is quite simply superior for that.
Marbs, I am trying to win my first deity as Mongol following this series with same map settings but not same AI. I spawned in a hilly area and my capital is like 8 tiles from Celtic's capital and I had to conquer her first. Now at turn 300 I am about 8 techs down and Persia is growing out of hand. Persia is my neighbor but the Khesiks are less effective against units in the industrial era. I am holding on as my Khesiks got logistics and range through the war with Celtics. What can I do? I am not sure if I can catch up in tech anymore.
Ok, it is pretty tough to play as the mongols for your first deity game. And dealing with a run away AI is difficult. The best advice in this situation is either to plan a late game war with rocket artillery and mobile sams or to just go for science victory. The AI is pretty bad with that and iyou should b-line for hubble and rush it if you can. It would be best if you have order, because of all the extra science and production. T
When you mouse over units or cities, I see colors (Like green, yellow, purple, etc) to indicate where you can or cannot move. What's the setting to enable that?
I have no idea if you're a troll that's looking to start a fight, or if you're delusional enough to think you can speak for the entire viewership, out of which ~90-95% is here for the Civ games. Either way... don't like it, don't watch it. As simple as 2+2. Good bye.
"I'll need to chop that library."
~Marbozir 2014
"Wow, Spain declared war on me. I didn't expect that."
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, Marbozir.
I'm pretty sure back at those times everyone expected inquisition. XD
Marbozir: "Good thing I have enough units to defend now."
Me: Bhitting Shricks.
Napoleon is a chronic backstabber. He may as well be a warmonger. Even though his bonuses are towards culture victory, he still can't help but backstab at every opportunity.
What the hell France?
1. gets DoF with you
2. aks to go to war with Byzanthium together
3. you get DoF with Byzanthium
4. backstabs you and declares war
5. gets DoF with Byzanthium xD
A tale of two wars! I love how coolly Marbozir deals with and even takes advantage of whatever the AI throws at him.
i would have restarted the game the moment i saw no horses, I cannot imagine how marb is just pushing thru this one like this
Everytime I play Civ 5 I'm almost listening ur voice in my head giving me advice Marbo...
First France then Spain, I'm starting to feel like all of Europe hates the Mongols for some reason, I have no idea why. Maybe thy heard you casting about warplots through the microphone. XD
As you said, this is shaping up to be a very exciting game.
There is proof on the internet that the AI can hear you when you are talking, so I wouldn't put this completely out of the question
Delalcon
I wasn't being serious. It's an inside joke
Or just a regular joke: "proof on the internet"
I think that, once you're done fending off Spain and built up your army enough, you should try to get Theodora to go to war with you to destroy Napoleon. And then keep friends with her as long as you can and possibly kill her last. The joys of Civ.
i just randomly noticed that your empire at 9:08 looks like a duck on the minimap!
I love the little conversation between you and the other civ leaders when they declare war. Kinda makes me wonder why the ones that have weapons on them (like Shaka and Oda) don't just stab you on the spot.
Honour?
Heh, looks like Nappy and Isabella have encountered the Keshik rush before, they're desperately trying to murder Marbo Khan before he can train them!
Stay at war with Spain until Madrid has fallen now i reckon. You can farm some xp for your chariot archers so they already have a couple of promotions before u can upgrade em, you'll have 4 Keshiks with Logistics by the time Madrid is yours :-)
You are really good at this game. If I had 2 DoWs like you did in this game, I would probably just ragequit, lol :D
It'd be cool if there were natural disasters and stuff in this game. You know, like an earthquake hits a city and some buildings are destroyed, or a coastal city gets hit with a tsunami and loses some population. Just saying.
If I'm not mistaken there is a Civ 4 mod that includes exactly this along with tons of new random events. Not sure about Civ 5 though.
i wouldn't like disasters randomly breaking my cities buildings, but tornadoes/ blizzards/ hurricanes on the map and oceans that can injure or otherwise debuff units would be neat
Edward Irra
Marb actually played with a mod wit hevents before, though I can't recall the name right now. They were not disasters per se, but events that could modify your tile yields or increase your happiness in exchange for gold, etc...
sqliqbild yeah, i remember that one. I liked that mod
Communitas....
Gonna be a great series
Wow, These early wars are awesome! What a fun game so far!
Cheers, Ivan :D
I'm very excited for this series I love Mongolia!!!
Seriously, a lot more civ, it never gets old, thats what the wievers want :-)
This series is super cool so far, as always, thanks a lot for nice entertainment.
I'm pleased to see that you got attacked early on. I often get double teamed but don't last. Hoping to pick up a few tips with this one. I'm also playing Mongols and instead of an early war China stuck their 2nd city right up my backside!
Safe from Napoleon just because he offered you friendship? :D
The minute you move your army away to attack someone else, Napoleon is right there to backstab you. 99% probability.
The moment before Spain declare war I was like "Why would Spain need that much unit for a barb camp?" and then "Oh, that's why"
As expected of Napoleon. His honor and dignity are as low as his height.
lol like it Ramkhaenhg Trollface. I am always gonaa call him that now
Exciting start!
Great episode!
He declared friendship the instant one of your units spotted his swordsman halfway between your territory and his. That's never a good sign lol
I would just get more horses from Theodora and keep building chariot archers. No real need for comp bows or catapults. Just defend and keep getting experience, then start taking cities when you have keshiks (and a horseman or 2 to cap). I wouldn't even settle another city unless it's to forward settle toward Spain to connect up easier later.
You can never have too many keshiks - I like to aim for at least 16 (not even kidding). You don't need any other units (except a horseman to cap) when you have keshiks, at least for a long time. It's amazing when you have a dozen or more fully promoted keshiks - you won't even believe it.
Haha 2 wars in one video. This is going to be a good one!
Well, I didn't expect so much action this early on! I'm not complaining though... :p Stomp them!
I'm loving this already
Marbozir will you play Beyond Earth
For sure. Probably a lot!
Spain likes to maintain a fairly big army? In my games Spain always has the smallest army, unless Portugal is in it as well (because they build like no units at all). And I usually have extremely small armies, so that says a lot. Napoleon is a completely different story however (as you might have noticed).
Edit: Okay, nevermind. This is getting interesting...
This exact thing happened with me in my last game, Napoleon backstabbed me. Only difference is that I couldn't defend it with chariot archers, because there were not a lot of forest tiles on my city borders.
So my question is what should one do when there arent't any forest tiles (or just a few) on the side you want to defend ? (this means the melee units close in on your city much faster and start to attack it)
Honestly these early parts of any of your series are the most exciting but I like them all.
Ty for the vids ! More civ always good !
Cheers
Looks like this will be a fun game
Is there room for waffle stomping city states as the Mongols on Deity? I was kind of looking forward to it, but looks like city state strategy won't be any different from usual.
pro tip: you can trade 1 gold per turn for 1 horse and do it 3 times, it's cheaper ;) (i think you do this in the later games, just leaving it here for the viewers mostly)
I think you should use Karakoram mainly for military production and use beshibalik for caravans
Does logistics carry over to melee units?
no. you need blitz
ukchill1
thanks
Suddenly... backstab and 80 swordsmen flood over the border! Thatescalatedquickly.gif.
Is that the White Peace bug? Napoleon was saying "Your complete capitulation sounds reasonable", so he was going to make a very harsh treaty, which of course you'd refuse. Would have been interesting to see if you could have stopped him taking your second city had the war continued..
Hey, I'm new to Civ 5, but I'm loving this damn game. Can I ask a few questions?
If you answered yes, just reply to this question, and if no, just ignore me.
1. What's the best opening, in general? I realize that both this question and the next are variable, but I always, always have trouble choosing what to do.
2. Best technologies? Also, how many cities early game?
3. Can you list, in your opinion, which is the hardest victory condition, from hardest to easiest? Eg. Domination is hardest, then cultural. Like that. Though, I'm not saying it's in that order.
1. Go for tradition policies
2. 3 cities by turn 100 will get you far, techs are your own preferences but an own religion helps your score - so you might want to get philosophy and work from there.
3. Hardest in higher difficulties varies, since you may have warmongerers making domination hardest, though you may also have cultured civs making culture victory hard. Easiest victory type in my opinion is the diplomatic or the science.
Hope I helped you out.
HashOneChris Thanks :D
1. Tradition in general. Liberty could be fun on lower difficulties, claiming land is always fun or if you have a particular wonder you want to rush with a liberty finisher great engineer.
2.1. I wouldn't call there's a best technology, I think what you want to know is how you prioritize tech. In the beginning, prioritize tech needed for your luxuries (eg. calendar for plantation) or tech needed for any early wonder you plan to get (In lower difficulties only). If you have aggressive neighbour, research construction to get composite bowman. But you always prioritize science techs through out the whole game, until you have a significant tech lead (can check in demographic and how many science the other side get in trade routes). Also, you probably want to prioritize techs that give you your unique unit and unique building to get the advantage earlier.
2.2. yea, 3 cities by turn 100 is pretty good. If you settle too much cities you are delaying national college. Usually I settle 3 to 4 cities, including the first one, the rest I took it from ai, unless there's a really good location, like a natural wonder. And it's ok to have just 3 to 4 cities through out the whole game, most of my non-domination game have 3 to 4 cities only, it's easier to control.
3. Easiest for me is science, as you always prioritize on science anyway. Diplomatic comes second, because all you need is just a little more money, plus buying city states gives you bonuses as well. Then domination, usually with a tech lead AIs are pretty easy to crush, it'd be even easier if most capital are coastal. Hardest for me is culture because it require me to plan it right from the start, like getting certain wonders, and it requires me to focus on 3 things, 1. science, because science is very important gives you advantage over everything. 2.a little military, for defense. 3.culture (tourism), to actually win the game. Also, it pretty much force me to finish aesthetic tree, so I can buy tourism nuke (great musician) with faith in the late game.
Yes, I hate culture victory xD
1. Yeah, go for tradition and don't start other tress until you finish it.
2. Concentrate on getting tech for your nearby luxuries. When it's done go for libraries and national college. Better don't try building early world wonders- it will slow you down and you may even fail finishing them. Then I would act depending on what win I wished to achieve ( military, cultural, science). But try not to get far behind in tech even when you don't go for spaceship victory.
3. I consider all victories equal in difficulty- usually when I win I can go for any of them (maybe except cultural vic, cause if you want to get it you must concentrate more heavily on it).
***** Actually, Tradition is WAY stronger than Liberty because it scales very well through the mid-game and into the late game, while Liberty doesn't. Tradition policies are also way stronger in general, it's not even a competition. Liberty used to be good for ICS, but that strategy died long ago, Brave New World favors tall rather than wide and Tradition is quite simply superior for that.
wow, this game is hot!
Does the mongolian general bonus stack onto the Keshik?
hey marb why didnt you switch to production focus in city management this time ?
Spain is having a very bad time in the World Cup and against Marbozir!
Marbs, I am trying to win my first deity as Mongol following this series with same map settings but not same AI. I spawned in a hilly area and my capital is like 8 tiles from Celtic's capital and I had to conquer her first. Now at turn 300 I am about 8 techs down and Persia is growing out of hand. Persia is my neighbor but the Khesiks are less effective against units in the industrial era. I am holding on as my Khesiks got logistics and range through the war with Celtics. What can I do? I am not sure if I can catch up in tech anymore.
Ok, it is pretty tough to play as the mongols for your first deity game. And dealing with a run away AI is difficult. The best advice in this situation is either to plan a late game war with rocket artillery and mobile sams or to just go for science victory. The AI is pretty bad with that and iyou should b-line for hubble and rush it if you can. It would be best if you have order, because of all the extra science and production. T
Rhamkhantrollface is hilarious.
When you mouse over units or cities, I see colors (Like green, yellow, purple, etc) to indicate where you can or cannot move. What's the setting to enable that?
After watching matches i think that spain will lose
Plot twist at the end!
Great!
Where is he from? BTW good Vid Dude! ;)
Yay!
Whats the best polity or whatever for If Your playing with only domenstocation
RIP any meaning in that sentence
I would have given up...Almost double war is way too much for me...
The kashik is an OP unit use it to the max
brazil is getting culture from terracotta..it always goes culture..
I think that napoleon could have easily taken 1 city from you
the AI is so dumb sometimes
Spain will surely lose. They already lost twice Kappa
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Seriously, no more Civ for a while, it's getting old and you're viewers want another series.
I have no idea where you getting this information from, I'm pretty sure most of us landed here because civ5 and are still enyoing it.
what thw hell are you talking about
Lol we want civ (but some more tropico would be nice)
I have no idea if you're a troll that's looking to start a fight, or if you're delusional enough to think you can speak for the entire viewership, out of which ~90-95% is here for the Civ games. Either way... don't like it, don't watch it. As simple as 2+2. Good bye.
Me, and probably most others came and are staying for civ V.