Just picked up a 92 Panther today with no spark. Saw your video and jumped the 4 plug and got spark just like you said, then I jumped the 2 plug kill switch and found the problem. Bad kill switch. Took me 9 minutes to watch the video and 5 minutes to find the problem lol. Great video bud, without you I might have parted this sled out!
Thanks for the video. I just brought a ‘96 ZRT 600 back to life after sitting for the last 12 years. After getting no spark I assumed it was the coils or stator. I did some research and came across your video and I had the sled running the next day.
Glad I could help. The TSS is a good thing because it can/does prevent start ups with a carb still partially open so the sled runs away from you when it starts.
i know this is an old video but I wanted to let you know that you saved me a ton of money on repairs of a 97 jag. Thank you for taking the time to make and post this video.
Very good question. Check when cold or at room temp. All stators will read higher when they are warm or after you run the sled a bit so that will give you an inaccurate reading. Some stators read ok when cold, but when you warm them up to room temp only then do they read their real ohms and possibly show you that they are bad. I have a stator here that I am going to make a video out of to show this happening...reads good when cold but bad at room temp.
I had spark with stator jumper wire. So i pulled seat off mice got under there and chewed wires to twilight grounding out stator. All fixed Thanks Again.
Excellent video Thanks this will help. My sled ran fine last fall. mice made a nest in air box. So i cleaned carbs and air box now I have no spark. I suspect mice chewed something. we shall see.
Yes. the 1998 580 EFi stator is in a class by itself. I can't remember if they used that stator 1 or 2 years, but it is a stator that does not go in any other 500, 580 or 600 motor. It is a full 3 phase stator and does not have the separate ignition, injector and fuel pump coils.
Excellent Blain I have a 95 zr580 we are up in Bellaire MI Sled ran perfect Tues all day this AM Wens no spark other then a few very weak ones on plug sounds like a saftey switch issue ,there was alot of frost this AM also,I think I have the sysyem where I need to jump connectors Dana
Awesome, I just subscribed to your channel which looks to be very informative in diagnosing the 93 Thundercat I just purchased with intermittent spark issues. Thanks!!!
There are different ohm readings for different model sleds. Your specific model reading 175 and 17 is ohming out ok. Those readings are good for your stator (Of course there is always the small chance it ohms out ok, but may not be ok). More than likely you have another issue. If you bypassed all of your switches by using the jumper wire and still have no sprak, then you are probably looking at a cdi, coil or trigger coil issue. Double check all of your ground wires too.
Thanks! This is a great help! Wish I were home...I see Michigan on your shirt and hat...now I live in Montana. Any good cat guys out here you can point me too? Thanks!
I don't know anyone out your way. Lots of guys on websites like Hardcoresledder but most guys have gone to facebook pages. You can post a question and get 10 responses in the first 10 minutes from very experienced mechanics, riders and some of the biggest names in the sport/industry.
My 89 Jag has issues. I've cleaned the carb, checked plugs etc. It will start after about 15 pulls; but, won't stay running. The people I bought it off of said that they had issues with the stator. They had it replaced. It worked for awhile, then it puked again. My questions is: would it even fire at all if there were stator issues? I ordered a new fuel pump as well. Should be here in a few days
Stator Specs sound correct. There are no cdi specs. You could have a mechanical issue. Look down inside the cylinder, check the exhaust side and also the intake side. Could have a broekn piston skirt, bad reeds, crank out of phase, sheered timing key, mouse nest in th exhaust....it could be a lot of things.
Something is waring up and putting out less power: 1. Stator is dying after it warms up. Check stator ohms when cold and then after you start it and it dies. If the #'s are way off, it is a shorting out stator. 2. A trigger/pickup coil can do the same thing. It can be ok when cold and then go bad after it warms up a bit. Same thing: Check ohms when cold and then after it warms up. 3. The plug wires are not making good connection with the plug caps or maybe the secondary coils. Trim both ends.
Hey man thank you for your videos I was able to successfully change my stator amd get rolling again. The harness got crushed and shorted out I thought I fixed it all but I still have no accessories. Really I'm just trying to get a headlight going as I just ditch bang with the sled I'm not on trails. Is it possible to just wire the headlight or a light bar directly to the 2 yellow wires on the top of the stator 4 prong plug. ?
Check everything...compression, fuel and spark. Check stator ohms because most of the time when a sled warms up and starts running bad it is spark/stator related.
Hope you're still replying! Great video. I have a '99 Panther 440. Starts fine, idles good, throttles up good UNTIL it will randomly lose power and die. Only happens when there is a load on the track, not when track is lifted in the garage. Restarts first pull and repeats. Ideas?
Sounds like the TSS switch but could be stator. go view my "diagnosing ignition" video and see how to bypass all of your switches...I pretty much walk through a quick diagnostic check. What are your stator ohms?
Look for the connector that goes between your stator and your CDI. It won't have yellow wires. Yellow wires are "power" wires that power your gauges, head light ect..
Yes, jump away! The TSS switch & kill switch are the 2 big eletrical issues that go bad on the 1990's cats. Your stator specs are 45 ohms and 450 ohms. Check your stator too just in case. If you don't know how, check my "how to check a stator" video. There are 2 of them. 1 shows how to check it in a sled and the other one shows how to check it when it is out of a sled. Like this video said...check all connections, grounds, check wires..ect...
Well I got it going, all I had to do was take the ground wire off the pull cord area where stator goes. But now I have no speedometer? But it runs great now, but there does seem to be a loose wire somewhere. I'll just take it to the shop over the summer, I don't want to mess around with any wiring again, lol.
It looks like these are the models that use that type stator. As you can see, it was only used by a few sleds over a 2 year span. 1997 PANTERA - MAGNETO 1997 EXT 580 EFI DLX - MAGNETO 1997 EXT 580 EFI - MAGNETO 1998 EXT EFI DLX - MAGNETO 1998 PANTERA 580 - MAGNETO 1998 EXT 580 EFI DLX - MAGNETO
Hey BlainePD. I came across your video, and was wondering if this would work on wheelers too? I got a '97 Arctic Cat Bearcat 454 4x4, and it has no spark. Me and my dad are trying to figure out why that could be, and we stumbled across your video. We figured it might work on a wheeler aswell, because it has the same sort of setup.
I have 2003 artic cat mountaincat 900 is efi but I have to connect a 12 v into my fuel pump to make it work and also I have to pour gas to get it started any ideas is like the snowmobile
What if you have the by pass wire from the factory and you still have no spark? Is that like jumping the stator? Or is there other switches that can still be messing you up.
I have A 97 powder extreme 600, believe it has a closed ignition, if i jump the wires like you suggest and its not closed ignition will it damage anything?
hi Blaine, I just purchased a 1993 Wildcat 700 EFI knowing it had issues. got fresh fuel,new plugs,new battery etc.. pulled it over it fired for about a second then no spark. Then i try to check for spark and no spark. Any ideas what could cause this problem?
hi blaine i have a 96 zr580 efi and it will run fine for awhile the just qiut and i have tolet it sit for bit then shell fire up and quit again could it be loose wire bad ground or batt it runs awsome when it is going
Hey Blaine buddy? I have a 2002 Artic Cat 600 efi, The only way I can get it to run Is spray a little either but it won't stay running, I checked the fuel supply line and pump and they are working, but I can't get it to stay running any Ideas? It ran great last year, this year so far not good any ideas are helpful. Thank you in advance
Thanks for the info Blaine. I have a 98 zr 600 efi and have been having an issue when the sled gets warmed up. Runs great for first 10 min but then I am getting what seems to be loss of spark and intermittent spark causing loss of power and top speed of 60mph. Plugs are all new. Stator was replaced less than 1000 miles ago. Any thoughts on what would cause my heat related condition? Thx
Hey Blaine ! I just bought a 1997 Grand Touring 583... I bought this sled for $200 here in Canada... Anyways here is the issue... I put new spark plugs in it and started it but had to hold the gas for it to get going... Then it did ! I ran it for about 5 or 10 minutes then noticed that the lights on the dash board started flickering. Gave it a big ass rev and BOOM the engine and everything died and I couldn't start her up anymore... The person that sold it to me also had this issue. Could this be a Bad Ignition coil ? Thankx dude !
Blain.. have you ever had issues with a single spark plug always burning out.. I can put brand new plug in the #1 hole on my 94 wildcat 700 and it will run great for a while. . Then it will start running on #2 hole only and then fire once every 3rd or 4th stroke on the #1 hole.. is it possible the resistor is gone in the plug wire cap?
Blaine I jumpered the yellow wires on my harness and my machine fired right up. I am 99% sure the problem is in the ignition switch (which is electric start but I just manual start the machine). Without replaceing the switch can I somehow get my lights and emergency stop to work? thanks, your video was very helpful.
Yes, you can turn the stator plug 180 degrees and just plug the 2 yellow wires into your wiring harness and wire your key straight to your stator. I have a video showing how...just look up arctic cat bypassing the wiring harness.
Blaine on a 1998 arctic cat pantera 580 EFI no fire is the stator on this sled just a lighting coil there is only one clear plug on this sled two yellows plus one yellow /red??????????
Hello Blaine, Does this same testing pertain to an EFI model as well? Ive noticed most of your testing has been on Carb models. I have a 99 ZR 600EFI with no spark. Thanks for your response in advance.
I just subscribed to your channel which looks to be very informative in diagnosing my 1997 arctic cat pantera 580 cfi i disconnected the stator and everything was working, drove app. 3-5 minutes and it just went dead! when i tried to started it my lights turns up a little at first but i wont start..
The 97 580EFI had the only 3 phase stator that Cat ever used. It was primarily just to charge the battery. I believe your stator plug has 3 yellow wires and a ground and that's it.
Hey Blaine talked briefly before just wanted your thoughts bought a jag z buddy put a 530 eltig engine from 89 he's running dual fuel pumps . It pulls hard but costly for trail riding . Talked to a local small engine mech locally and told him I wanted to condense the dual pumps down to one . He said no don't touch it as he p roll did the larger jets and or ported and polish really no way to know what work the other guy did tell it goes down and I have to pull it apart. My problem with this engine is It's almost 30 years old and the parts are becoming obsolete .ie fuel pump nonrebuild able costly stator flywheel etc . The first trip out it broke down 10 kms out in the bush .found out the bottom threads for the lower stator bolt are suspect and bolt found its way out into the stator assembly totally spaghettied everything the flywheel was reusable and located a spare unit for 100 out of peterbough. When i reassembled it put loctite and a lockwasher didnt want to get into retapping and alot of the thread holes are worn down fron guys wheeling bolts in and out for the last almost 30 years .I might like to go to a fan engine if i get into a corner on this 530 suggestions /transplant motor suggestions welcome the tub is a 440z 93 thanks for any info Mike
Single fuel pump should be fine on most any motor until you get into triple mod motors that inhale the fuel but even then a high volume pump can be good enough. As far as what motor to put in it..I'm guessing the Jag Z is a fan motor so there are no heat exchangers so you can only put a fan motor in it.
Just bought a 96 art 600 it had no spark unless I was on the throttle. I watched one of your videos. I put the jumper wire and she fired up. So with that being the case whats my issue?
I have a 97 Jag 440 fan that I recently bought... the sled has spark and runs but I have absolutely no lights whatsoever.. I swapped out the stator and same thing.. I tested both stator for contunuity and ohms and both tested good.. another thing I found out is when the headlights are on high beam the key and kill switch will shut the engine off but will not whe i put the lights on low Beam.. I am completely lost with what is going on and have lost my patience trying to figure it out.
It's not a stator issue. Someone messed with the wiring or maybe there's a short or ground somewhere. Many times the issue can be found around the firewall or under the seat where wires may wear thru.
So how to u bypass the tss on a open? Mine is bad on my 98 I just unpluged the tss on all 3 carbs and seems to be working now is that all I have to do to bypass it on a open?
sled had big fire will back rebuilt most got running then moving coils and cdi it lost spark something is grounding surely replaced CDI with 2 coils low chance they both went bad just cant find what caused it.
Hi. I own a 2017 Actic Cat Bearcat XT GS. From day one, it's had starting problems. It's an electric start only sled. I turn the key and it starts off by doing nothing, then the solenoid will start clicking, then, after much back and forth with the key, it's finally starts. Warm weather or cold, same problem. It'll start a little quicker in warmer weather. Once it's running and warmed up, it works fine. It's under warranty and the key ignition was replaced. That wasn't it. Just curious to see what you think it might be. Relay, solenoid,..... what? Thanks.
If it's still under warranty keep taking it back and let them keep swapping out parts. If it does it when cold or warm they should be able to sit there and just swap out parts until it starts correctly.
I have a 99 zrt 800. I shut it off and now now won't start. It has weak and intermittent spark. I checked the stator and the white to green wires read 204 ohms. Is this low reading typical of not starting? It has been hard to start for the last few rides.
No idea but it sounds like a ground wire or another wire may have been broken during the process. Put the old battery back in it and see if it works again.
I have a 1997 thundercat that will run but as soon as I try engage the clutch and around 2000 RPM that's as high as it goes it's like the break is on it won't rub any higher. The track is free I jacked it up I've even had the belt off the clutch comes together but it won't rev up very high sometimes I'll even get a backfire out of it it's a wiring issue I know this because it's happened before but I just don't know where to look any help would be helpful thank you very much
I've got a 93 EXT 550. Lost power and then it quit. The spark must have been weak and then quit altogether. I jumped the connection from the stator per your video. No spark. If the ground is ok, should I go straight to buying a new stator?
You need spark, fuel/air and compression. If you have spark, dump just a little gas int he cylinders and see if it starts for a few seconds. If it does, then you know it is a fuel delivery issue. It could be anything from your fuel pick up in your tank to a plugged filter, cracked fuel line, dying fuel pump, cracked pulser line (from cases to pump)..ect...check it all.
have any for video for 77 I have spark on 1 side close to the puller not coil it only has paule on one y not the other I see on the stator. the one coil has 2 wwires
I have not worked on that specific model but most toys follow similar type ignition systems which include many of the same components I mention in my video.
@@BlaineDP I saw some arctic cats have flywheel the magnets fall off. I was trying to see if mine was one. I held my spark plug while spinning the motor. I then flipped the override switch and felt a single spark. What does that tell you ??? Thanks for your time and info. I. Eager to rid this thing.
I have an odd one for you, super weak spark on a 99 t cat just put a brand new stator In it. If I unplug the 4 plug connector I lose all spark .. what the heck.
the triples have much smaller/weaker spark that then twins do because they fire every 120 degrees and not every 180 degrees. If you unplugged the rubber 4 prong plug and all of a sudden had no spark, verify that you actually have a 98 or newer open loop cdi box on it.
I have a 98 ZL 500 that I just recently replaced the stator in and now I cant get the sled to shut off with the key or the kill switch. Tested the kill swithc and key and they interupt correctly. Have to pull the plug wires to shut the dam thing off.
On the 98 ZL500 carb you can umplug the wiring harness plug and it'll start and run. You can put the jumpre wire in it to see if it will shut off. If it won't it is either a CDI or stator issue. Also, check all ground wires.
I got an 1997 artic cat powder special and it stopped running I still have spark it almost starts first pull and after that it won't even go and compression is good belts good what else could I try?
I have a 2004 artic cat 650 4x4 v2 no spark a guy that had it hooked up a 24 volt battery to it and it blew fuse and now no spark I put a new cdi box didn't help I need help bad tyvm
On my EXT 600 (1997) I have spark on the single coil but not off the double coil. I picked up a new double coil and I still don't have spark, but still have spark on the single coil. Any thoughts?
I put a new kill switch and CDI box on my snowmobile and still don't get spark but has 120 compression and everything else works like the light when u pull on it but no spark
hi i have a 1993 arctic cat jag 440. it has low milage but after it runs for awhile and you shut it down it wont restart because of no spark. ive receintly replaced the external coil and the problem still exsisted when the machine gets warmed up. any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated
Hi Blaine I just purchased a 1998 zrt 600 and the few hours or riding everything went well. Now I cannot shut it off by the ignition key or Kill switch. I have to choke it to shut it off. I thought I had found the problem with a brown wire that was broken at terminal that it is connected to the pull cord case cover. But that did not fix my problem. It starts well too. Any ideas what the problem can be? Thank you
I have seen a few things cause a "Sled Won't Shut Off" condition: 1. It is usually a bad ground or a broken ground wire 2. Moisture in the stator to wiring harness connector 3. Moisture in a kill switch or tether 4. CDI loses its internal ground path. I've seen more than a few 1998-1999 ZRT800-1000 CDI boxes lose their internal ground path and won't shut off 5. Bad key switch 6. A bad stator can cause a sled not to shut off. I have rewound several that fixed a "Won't shut off" issue.this list can be found at:www.outdoor-electric.com/sled-wonrsquot-shut-off.html
I have a 1999 Pantera 800 Triple. Was using it ice fishing this weekend. Just puttering around, and it started to rev up and down on its own. I shut it down. Restarted it, and it did it again. I shut it down again and it wouldn't restart, now it has NO spark. It has a 2 year old Stator, and the head light will glow when I pull it over fast enough. So I'ave taken apart the handle bars to get to the wires. It looks like the wire that comes out of my throttle is a 2 wire, not a 3. I'm trying to do a jumper to diagnose whats wrong.
You have an open circuit. You can just unplug the rubber 4-prong stator to wiring harness plug to bypass all electrical in the sled. Revving up and down could be a reed issue, carb issue, fuel delivery issue ect.. too.
Blaine thanks for sharing your knowledge I got a1980 Jag 3000 spirit lost fire on plugs,is there any way of checking the power pack to see if it's gone can't afford a new one 700$
Power pack meaning the coils? OEM coils rarely go bad so you can try a used OEM coil for $20. There are ohm readings for the coils. The stator may have gone bad so you can ohm that out too. If it is bad you can find/buy a used one if it ohms out good for $100 or less.
BlaineDP no my buddy black plastic box with 7wires which bolts on to engine block 3wires on a plug double plug gos to kill switch on handle bar a 2 single wires that go to the coils any test I can do to determine if this power pack is gone
Hey Blaine, I was trying to install hand Warner's on my Arctic Cat 580 EXT 1994. I unhooked a cord to find the live wire to get the hand Warner's working, I could find it at all. When I went to reconnect the wires the machine started but it Boggs down and don't move. The male plug broke off so I cut it off and connected the wore to the same colours and it burned out all my lights and I barely made it home. Now it starts but don't go nowhere. Can't you help me out please!!
It appears as though my 92 440 jag special is experiencing low spark and it appears to be the left cylinder. Jumped the stator and still runs rough. Checked and greased all connections. I'm having trouble finding the ground connections. Would you know where these are located?
question had nothing to do with the sled but same maker i bought s 2002 artic cat500 and theres s fuse missing behind the ait box i know its not the starter relay switch but i was wondering what thst fuse is
Hey man I'm trying to wire in the tech and trouble lights on my 1996 thundercat. The factory wiring is there and it looks like it goes under the.motor then I'm lost. Any help.would be appreciated
What did your stator test at? These should eb your specs: Green/Brown 450 ohms Green/Black 45 ohms Black/Brown 495 ohms It sounds like a switch issue. Pul it over with the plugs out of it and check it for spark. I have a comlete "spark diagnosis" step by step write up that i will try to send you in an e-mail. If it is not a spark issue then it is proabbly a fuel delivery issue.
Can you email me this check?? I had my 96 pantera 580 efi running perfect turned the key and nothing just turns over and zero spark but kill switch turns efi on and off so think its working... not sure about coil test and I have two of those stator pickups?
I have a 98 cougar 550, didn’t have spark. When I unplugged the 4 prong connector at the stator, it fired right up. So I must have an open system, and there’s something wrong with the wiring in one of my switches right? And because it’s an open system I can’t do the bypass on the tss right?
Correct, you have an open system. You can still do the TSS bypass for testing. If it is bad I recommend fixing it or at the very least wiring in a safety tether.
I have a 96 ext 580 efi the battery was going on it but it started. I just changed the battery now there is no power going anywhere. I turn the key and there is nothing. No lights on dash, fuel injector doesnt kick on. I checked the new battery with a meter and its charged . I checked the fuses and there good. any ideas ?
Bad or broken ground. Moisture in connector. Moisture in kill switch or tether. CDI loses its internal ground path. I've seen it with 98-99 zrt800/1000 cdi boxes. Bad key switch. Bad stator. I've rewound several and it fixed their "won't shut off" issue.
Blain i have a 2002 zr cross country 600 efi. now on some cold days like 10 to 30 degrees my sled will have a really hard time starting now i know the cold will make and sled start hard but it will take me 10 pulls and it will start and run for around 10 seconds then the next time i pull it over it will either do the same thing or start right up. i was just wondering if any thing is wrong or if i just need a tune up or what.
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Just picked up a 92 Panther today with no spark. Saw your video and jumped the 4 plug and got spark just like you said, then I jumped the 2 plug kill switch and found the problem. Bad kill switch. Took me 9 minutes to watch the video and 5 minutes to find the problem lol. Great video bud, without you I might have parted this sled out!
Thank you. This helped get our sled running today 97 Artic Cat 580. Had a 'closed' system but didn't jump the wires. It was the TSS in the end.
Glad I could help. Ya, lots of sleds have their tether, kill switch, tss ect..go bad on them over time.
Thanks for the video. I just brought a ‘96 ZRT 600 back to life after sitting for the last 12 years. After getting no spark I assumed it was the coils or stator. I did some research and came across your video and I had the sled running the next day.
Very cool..glad I could help!
THANK YOU! 1995 Cougar with no spark. It was the TSS. Your video is step by step perfect and excellently narrated. 👍
Glad I could help. The TSS is a good thing because it can/does prevent start ups with a carb still partially open so the sled runs away from you when it starts.
Tried the 4 prong yellow connector bypass! Got spark!!! Great success! Thanks!!
i know this is an old video but I wanted to let you know that you saved me a ton of money on repairs of a 97 jag. Thank you for taking the time to make and post this video.
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Dude, you’re the cats ass…. You saved me so much time… can’t thank you enough.
Excellent. A simple breakdown of these ignition systems and some great troubleshooting advice.
Many thanks, Merry Christmas
Oh and mine was the TSS!🤓
BlaineDp you are a hero. Thank you for your service sir
No prob..just trying to help out or give guidance when I can.
Thank's Blaine, That saved me some hassle and money.. Think I have it narrowed down to the carb sensors... Braaap Braaap..
Very good question. Check when cold or at room temp. All stators will read higher when they are warm or after you run the sled a bit so that will give you an inaccurate reading. Some stators read ok when cold, but when you warm them up to room temp only then do they read their real ohms and possibly show you that they are bad. I have a stator here that I am going to make a video out of to show this happening...reads good when cold but bad at room temp.
I had spark with stator jumper wire. So i pulled seat off mice got under there and chewed wires to twilight grounding out stator. All fixed Thanks Again.
Glad you found your issue.
Excellent video Thanks this will help. My sled ran fine last fall. mice made a nest in air box. So i cleaned carbs and air box now I have no spark. I suspect mice chewed something. we shall see.
Yes. the 1998 580 EFi stator is in a class by itself. I can't remember if they used that stator 1 or 2 years, but it is a stator that does not go in any other 500, 580 or 600 motor. It is a full 3 phase stator and does not have the separate ignition, injector and fuel pump coils.
yes...the dreaded TSS issue. Glad you got it running. Happy trails.
I held my spark plug while spinning my motor as it spun I flipped the override switch and felt it spark. Is that a sign of bad switch ?
Excellent Blain I have a 95 zr580 we are up in Bellaire MI Sled ran perfect Tues all day this AM Wens no spark other then a few very weak ones on plug sounds like a saftey switch issue ,there was alot of frost this AM also,I think I have the sysyem where I need to jump connectors Dana
Good stuff Blaine. I'm finding your videos very helpful. The only thing wrong is that "other" teams hoodie your wearing. Go Blue haha! Keep it up bro.
Awesome, I just subscribed to your channel which looks to be very informative in diagnosing the 93 Thundercat I just purchased with intermittent spark issues. Thanks!!!
There are different ohm readings for different model sleds. Your specific model reading 175 and 17 is ohming out ok. Those readings are good for your stator (Of course there is always the small chance it ohms out ok, but may not be ok). More than likely you have another issue. If you bypassed all of your switches by using the jumper wire and still have no sprak, then you are probably looking at a cdi, coil or trigger coil issue. Double check all of your ground wires too.
Thanks for the video!!!!!!!!!!!. We got the cat running because of the video, we had a bad TSS switch.
Thanks! This is a great help! Wish I were home...I see Michigan on your shirt and hat...now I live in Montana. Any good cat guys out here you can point me too? Thanks!
I don't know anyone out your way. Lots of guys on websites like Hardcoresledder but most guys have gone to facebook pages. You can post a question and get 10 responses in the first 10 minutes from very experienced mechanics, riders and some of the biggest names in the sport/industry.
Cool. Glad you found your issue...I'm here to try to help guys out and happy that I could lend a hand and save the sled from the scrap heap.
My 89 Jag has issues. I've cleaned the carb, checked plugs etc. It will start after about 15 pulls; but, won't stay running. The people I bought it off of said that they had issues with the stator. They had it replaced. It worked for awhile, then it puked again. My questions is: would it even fire at all if there were stator issues? I ordered a new fuel pump as well. Should be here in a few days
Stator Specs sound correct. There are no cdi specs. You could have a mechanical issue. Look down inside the cylinder, check the exhaust side and also the intake side. Could have a broekn piston skirt, bad reeds, crank out of phase, sheered timing key, mouse nest in th exhaust....it could be a lot of things.
Something is waring up and putting out less power: 1. Stator is dying after it warms up. Check stator ohms when cold and then after you start it and it dies. If the #'s are way off, it is a shorting out stator. 2. A trigger/pickup coil can do the same thing. It can be ok when cold and then go bad after it warms up a bit. Same thing: Check ohms when cold and then after it warms up. 3. The plug wires are not making good connection with the plug caps or maybe the secondary coils. Trim both ends.
Hey man thank you for your videos I was able to successfully change my stator amd get rolling again. The harness got crushed and shorted out I thought I fixed it all but I still have no accessories. Really I'm just trying to get a headlight going as I just ditch bang with the sled I'm not on trails. Is it possible to just wire the headlight or a light bar directly to the 2 yellow wires on the top of the stator 4 prong plug. ?
Check everything...compression, fuel and spark. Check stator ohms because most of the time when a sled warms up and starts running bad it is spark/stator related.
Hope you're still replying!
Great video.
I have a '99 Panther 440. Starts fine, idles good, throttles up good UNTIL it will randomly lose power and die. Only happens when there is a load on the track, not when track is lifted in the garage. Restarts first pull and repeats. Ideas?
Sounds like the TSS switch but could be stator. go view my "diagnosing ignition" video and see how to bypass all of your switches...I pretty much walk through a quick diagnostic check. What are your stator ohms?
Look for the connector that goes between your stator and your CDI. It won't have yellow wires. Yellow wires are "power" wires that power your gauges, head light ect..
Yes, jump away! The TSS switch & kill switch are the 2 big eletrical issues that go bad on the 1990's cats. Your stator specs are 45 ohms and 450 ohms. Check your stator too just in case. If you don't know how, check my "how to check a stator" video. There are 2 of them. 1 shows how to check it in a sled and the other one shows how to check it when it is out of a sled. Like this video said...check all connections, grounds, check wires..ect...
Well I got it going, all I had to do was take the ground wire off the pull cord area where stator goes. But now I have no speedometer? But it runs great now, but there does seem to be a loose wire somewhere. I'll just take it to the shop over the summer, I don't want to mess around with any wiring again, lol.
new subscriber, you're vids are very helpful.. Thank you..
Thanks...just trying to give general info to help guys out.
Thank you for the video. What is the next thing to check if you do not have spark after jumping across the 2 non yellow wires?
Stator ohms, trigger/crank sensor ohms.
It looks like these are the models that use that type stator. As you can see, it was only used by a few sleds over a 2 year span.
1997 PANTERA - MAGNETO
1997 EXT 580 EFI DLX - MAGNETO
1997 EXT 580 EFI - MAGNETO
1998 EXT EFI DLX - MAGNETO
1998 PANTERA 580 - MAGNETO
1998 EXT 580 EFI DLX - MAGNETO
Hey BlainePD. I came across your video, and was wondering if this would work on wheelers too? I got a '97 Arctic Cat Bearcat 454 4x4, and it has no spark. Me and my dad are trying to figure out why that could be, and we stumbled across your video. We figured it might work on a wheeler aswell, because it has the same sort of setup.
I have 2003 artic cat mountaincat 900 is efi but I have to connect a 12 v into my fuel pump to make it work and also I have to pour gas to get it started any ideas is like the snowmobile
What if you have the by pass wire from the factory and you still have no spark? Is that like jumping the stator? Or is there other switches that can still be messing you up.
Thanks so much it worked
I have 2000 actic cat 4x4 I was working on my tail lights and headlight. When I was trying to start it up. I relize I loss spark in my sparkplug.
Glad you found it...cheap and easy fix.
I have A 97 powder extreme 600, believe it has a closed ignition, if i jump the wires like you suggest and its not closed ignition will it damage anything?
hi Blaine, I just purchased a 1993 Wildcat 700 EFI knowing it had issues. got fresh fuel,new plugs,new battery etc.. pulled it over it fired for about a second then no spark. Then i try to check for spark and no spark. Any ideas what could cause this problem?
hi blaine i have a 96 zr580 efi and it will run fine for awhile the just qiut and i have tolet it sit for bit then shell fire up and quit again could it be loose wire bad ground or batt it runs awsome when it is going
Hi! Had no spark on my powder extreme, tested jumping the stator, then i got spark but it still wont fire?🤷🏼♂️ Can it be a coil or something?
Hey Blaine buddy? I have a 2002
Artic Cat 600 efi,
The only way I can get it to run
Is spray a little either but it won't stay running, I checked the fuel supply line and pump and they are working, but I can't get it to stay running any Ideas? It ran great last year, this year so far not good any ideas are helpful. Thank you in advance
Thanks for the info Blaine. I have a 98 zr 600 efi and have been having an issue when the sled gets warmed up. Runs great for first 10 min but then I am getting what seems to be loss of spark and intermittent spark causing loss of power and top speed of 60mph. Plugs are all new. Stator was replaced less than 1000 miles ago. Any thoughts on what would cause my heat related condition? Thx
Hey Blaine ! I just bought a 1997 Grand Touring 583... I bought this sled for $200 here in Canada... Anyways here is the issue... I put new spark plugs in it and started it but had to hold the gas for it to get going... Then it did ! I ran it for about 5 or 10 minutes then noticed that the lights on the dash board started flickering. Gave it a big ass rev and BOOM the engine and everything died and I couldn't start her up anymore... The person that sold it to me also had this issue. Could this be a Bad Ignition coil ? Thankx dude !
Blain.. have you ever had issues with a single spark plug always burning out.. I can put brand new plug in the #1 hole on my 94 wildcat 700 and it will run great for a while. . Then it will start running on #2 hole only and then fire once every 3rd or 4th stroke on the #1 hole.. is it possible the resistor is gone in the plug wire cap?
OEM coils and wires rarely go bad. It is more likely it is a stator or CDI box issue.
Blaine I jumpered the yellow wires on my harness and my machine fired right up. I am 99% sure the problem is in the ignition switch (which is electric start but I just manual start the machine). Without replaceing the switch can I somehow get my lights and emergency stop to work?
thanks, your video was very helpful.
Yes, you can turn the stator plug 180 degrees and just plug the 2 yellow wires into your wiring harness and wire your key straight to your stator. I have a video showing how...just look up arctic cat bypassing the wiring harness.
Dude killer info... Gonna check out my kill swtich system, then my ignition system and get back to you
1997 ext (i said 98 over on the other post)
Hard to believe that was the issue..I guess it could have been. Did you change anything else or just use the gun on the CDI and that was it?
Blaine on a 1998 arctic cat pantera 580 EFI no fire is the stator on this sled just a lighting coil there is only one clear plug on this sled two yellows plus one yellow /red??????????
Hello Blaine, Does this same testing pertain to an EFI model as well? Ive noticed most of your testing has been on Carb models. I have a 99 ZR 600EFI with no spark. Thanks for your response in advance.
i got a 2005 arctic cat 400 4x4 automatic that at times i have no spark. need to know if you have run into this problem.
I have a 06 arctic cat 250 fourwheeler with no spark did you fix yours ?
I just subscribed to your channel which looks to be very informative in diagnosing my 1997 arctic cat pantera 580 cfi
i disconnected the stator and everything was working, drove app. 3-5 minutes and it just went dead!
when i tried to started it my lights turns up a little at first but i wont start..
The 97 580EFI had the only 3 phase stator that Cat ever used. It was primarily just to charge the battery. I believe your stator plug has 3 yellow wires and a ground and that's it.
Hey Blaine talked briefly before just wanted your thoughts bought a jag z buddy put a 530 eltig engine from 89 he's running dual fuel pumps . It pulls hard but costly for trail riding . Talked to a local small engine mech locally and told him I wanted to condense the dual pumps down to one . He said no don't touch it as he p roll did the larger jets and or ported and polish really no way to know what work the other guy did tell it goes down and I have to pull it apart. My problem with this engine is It's almost 30 years old and the parts are becoming obsolete .ie fuel pump nonrebuild able costly stator flywheel etc . The first trip out it broke down 10 kms out in the bush .found out the bottom threads for the lower stator bolt are suspect and bolt found its way out into the stator assembly totally spaghettied everything the flywheel was reusable and located a spare unit for 100 out of peterbough. When i reassembled it put loctite and a lockwasher didnt want to get into retapping and alot of the thread holes are worn down fron guys wheeling bolts in and out for the last almost 30 years .I might like to go to a fan engine if i get into a corner on this 530 suggestions /transplant motor suggestions welcome the tub is a 440z 93 thanks for any info Mike
Single fuel pump should be fine on most any motor until you get into triple mod motors that inhale the fuel but even then a high volume pump can be good enough. As far as what motor to put in it..I'm guessing the Jag Z is a fan motor so there are no heat exchangers so you can only put a fan motor in it.
Just bought a 96 art 600 it had no spark unless I was on the throttle. I watched one of your videos. I put the jumper wire and she fired up. So with that being the case whats my issue?
I have a 97 Jag 440 fan that I recently bought... the sled has spark and runs but I have absolutely no lights whatsoever.. I swapped out the stator and same thing.. I tested both stator for contunuity and ohms and both tested good.. another thing I found out is when the headlights are on high beam the key and kill switch will shut the engine off but will not whe i put the lights on low Beam.. I am completely lost with what is going on and have lost my patience trying to figure it out.
It's not a stator issue. Someone messed with the wiring or maybe there's a short or ground somewhere. Many times the issue can be found around the firewall or under the seat where wires may wear thru.
So how to u bypass the tss on a open? Mine is bad on my 98 I just unpluged the tss on all 3 carbs and seems to be working now is that all I have to do to bypass it on a open?
sled had big fire will back rebuilt most got running then moving coils and cdi it lost spark something is grounding surely replaced CDI with 2 coils low chance they both went bad just cant find what caused it.
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Hi. I own a 2017 Actic Cat Bearcat XT GS. From day one, it's had starting problems. It's an electric start only sled. I turn the key and it starts off by doing nothing, then the solenoid will start clicking, then, after much back and forth with the key, it's finally starts. Warm weather or cold, same problem. It'll start a little quicker in warmer weather. Once it's running and warmed up, it works fine. It's under warranty and the key ignition was replaced. That wasn't it. Just curious to see what you think it might be. Relay, solenoid,..... what? Thanks.
If it's still under warranty keep taking it back and let them keep swapping out parts. If it does it when cold or warm they should be able to sit there and just swap out parts until it starts correctly.
BlaineDP Ya. Unfortunately, they still charge you for labor. Thanks for the response
I have a 99 zrt 800. I shut it off and now now won't start. It has weak and intermittent spark. I checked the stator and the white to green wires read 204 ohms. Is this low reading typical of not starting? It has been hard to start for the last few rides.
No idea but it sounds like a ground wire or another wire may have been broken during the process. Put the old battery back in it and see if it works again.
I have a 1997 thundercat that will run but as soon as I try engage the clutch and around 2000 RPM that's as high as it goes it's like the break is on it won't rub any higher. The track is free I jacked it up I've even had the belt off the clutch comes together but it won't rev up very high sometimes I'll even get a backfire out of it it's a wiring issue I know this because it's happened before but I just don't know where to look any help would be helpful thank you very much
ohm the stator, try bypassing the entire system by using the jumper wire ect..
Should I test the stator cold or after it has been warmed up? Will it make a difference? Thanks
I've got a 93 EXT 550. Lost power and then it quit. The spark must have been weak and then quit altogether. I jumped the connection from the stator per your video. No spark. If the ground is ok, should I go straight to buying a new stator?
You need spark, fuel/air and compression. If you have spark, dump just a little gas int he cylinders and see if it starts for a few seconds. If it does, then you know it is a fuel delivery issue. It could be anything from your fuel pick up in your tank to a plugged filter, cracked fuel line, dying fuel pump, cracked pulser line (from cases to pump)..ect...check it all.
your the best buddy i really like your video ;-)
Any ideas to check fuel pump?
Use a pressure gauge you can purchase at the auto parts store for $15.
have any for video for 77 I have spark on 1 side close to the puller not coil it only has paule on one y not the other I see on the stator. the one coil has 2 wwires
what do I check when the reg/rec melts from the unit to the connectors and no further, is there other issues I need to check or just change reg/rect..
Blain I hope you still follow this. I have some questions on a 1993 T-cat with no spark.
I don't follow my videos as closely as I should. My webs site is: www.outdoor-electric.com
@@BlaineDP I have a 06 arctic cat 250 fourwheeler with no spark. Have you worked on one and could you help a brother out ???
I have not worked on that specific model but most toys follow similar type ignition systems which include many of the same components I mention in my video.
@@BlaineDP I saw some arctic cats have flywheel the magnets fall off. I was trying to see if mine was one.
I held my spark plug while spinning the motor. I then flipped the override switch and felt a single spark. What does that tell you ??? Thanks for your time and info. I. Eager to rid this thing.
I have an odd one for you, super weak spark on a 99 t cat just put a brand new stator In it. If I unplug the 4 plug connector I lose all spark .. what the heck.
the triples have much smaller/weaker spark that then twins do because they fire every 120 degrees and not every 180 degrees. If you unplugged the rubber 4 prong plug and all of a sudden had no spark, verify that you actually have a 98 or newer open loop cdi box on it.
I have a 98 ZL 500 that I just recently replaced the stator in and now I cant get the sled to shut off with the key or the kill switch. Tested the kill swithc and key and they interupt correctly. Have to pull the plug wires to shut the dam thing off.
On the 98 ZL500 carb you can umplug the wiring harness plug and it'll start and run. You can put the jumpre wire in it to see if it will shut off. If it won't it is either a CDI or stator issue. Also, check all ground wires.
I got an 1997 artic cat powder special and it stopped running I still have spark it almost starts first pull and after that it won't even go and compression is good belts good what else could I try?
I got a 97 cat 580 runs some times and most the time it doesn't got spark fuel plugs are wet u pull it and sounds like it wants to start but won't
I have a 2004 artic cat 650 4x4 v2 no spark a guy that had it hooked up a 24 volt battery to it and it blew fuse and now no spark I put a new cdi box didn't help I need help bad tyvm
On my EXT 600 (1997) I have spark on the single coil but not off the double coil. I picked up a new double coil and I still don't have spark, but still have spark on the single coil. Any thoughts?
I put a new kill switch and CDI box on my snowmobile and still don't get spark but has 120 compression and everything else works like the light when u pull on it but no spark
I got a 1993 polaris xlt 580 triple
Where ya think I should start first I tried killing it from the stater and still won’t shut off
hi i have a 1993 arctic cat jag 440. it has low milage but after it runs for awhile and you shut it down it wont restart because of no spark. ive receintly replaced the external coil and the problem still exsisted when the machine gets warmed up. any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated
GOOD INFORMATION.
Does the metal bar in a double wire coil need to be grounded also I saw one that seems to be rubber mounted
The Cat coils are not grounded.
@@BlaineDP thanks for letting me know you saved me another new coil
Hi Blaine I just purchased a 1998 zrt 600 and the few hours or riding everything went well. Now I cannot shut it off by the ignition key or Kill switch. I have to choke it to shut it off. I thought I had found the problem with a brown wire that was broken at terminal that it is connected to the pull cord case cover. But that did not fix my problem. It starts well too. Any ideas what the problem can be? Thank you
I have seen a few things cause a "Sled Won't Shut Off" condition:
1. It is usually a bad ground or a broken ground wire
2. Moisture in the stator to wiring harness connector
3. Moisture in a kill switch or tether
4. CDI loses its internal ground path. I've seen more than a few 1998-1999 ZRT800-1000 CDI boxes lose their internal ground path and won't shut off
5. Bad key switch
6. A bad stator can cause a sled not to shut off. I have rewound several that fixed a "Won't shut off" issue.this list can be found at:www.outdoor-electric.com/sled-wonrsquot-shut-off.html
I have a 1999 Pantera 800 Triple. Was using it ice fishing this weekend. Just puttering around, and it started to rev up and down on its own. I shut it down. Restarted it, and it did it again. I shut it down again and it wouldn't restart, now it has NO spark. It has a 2 year old Stator, and the head light will glow when I pull it over fast enough. So I'ave taken apart the handle bars to get to the wires. It looks like the wire that comes out of my throttle is a 2 wire, not a 3. I'm trying to do a jumper to diagnose whats wrong.
You have an open circuit. You can just unplug the rubber 4-prong stator to wiring harness plug to bypass all electrical in the sled. Revving up and down could be a reed issue, carb issue, fuel delivery issue ect.. too.
Blaine thanks for sharing your knowledge I got a1980 Jag 3000 spirit lost fire on plugs,is there any way of checking the power pack to see if it's gone can't afford a new one 700$
Power pack meaning the coils? OEM coils rarely go bad so you can try a used OEM coil for $20. There are ohm readings for the coils. The stator may have gone bad so you can ohm that out too. If it is bad you can find/buy a used one if it ohms out good for $100 or less.
BlaineDP no my buddy black plastic box with 7wires which bolts on to engine block 3wires on a plug double plug gos to kill switch on handle bar a 2 single wires that go to the coils any test I can do to determine if this power pack is gone
Blaine, where can I find the stator specs for an 03-04 370Z? By the way love the Tiger Hat!
Hey Blaine, I was trying to install hand Warner's on my Arctic Cat 580 EXT 1994. I unhooked a cord to find the live wire to get the hand Warner's working, I could find it at all. When I went to reconnect the wires the machine started but it Boggs down and don't move. The male plug broke off so I cut it off and connected the wore to the same colours and it burned out all my lights and I barely made it home. Now it starts but don't go nowhere. Can't you help me out please!!
My video is just a general guideline.. as far as your issue I don't know.
It appears as though my 92 440 jag special is experiencing low spark and it appears to be the left cylinder. Jumped the stator and still runs rough. Checked and greased all connections. I'm having trouble finding the ground connections. Would you know where these are located?
question had nothing to do with the sled but same maker i bought s 2002 artic cat500 and theres s fuse missing behind the ait box i know its not the starter relay switch but i was wondering what thst fuse is
I don't know what it is.
Hey man I'm trying to wire in the tech and trouble lights on my 1996 thundercat. The factory wiring is there and it looks like it goes under the.motor then I'm lost. Any help.would be appreciated
What did your stator test at? These should eb your specs:
Green/Brown 450 ohms
Green/Black 45 ohms
Black/Brown 495 ohms
It sounds like a switch issue. Pul it over with the plugs out of it and check it for spark. I have a comlete "spark diagnosis" step by step write up that i will try to send you in an e-mail. If it is not a spark issue then it is proabbly a fuel delivery issue.
Can you email me this check?? I had my 96 pantera 580 efi running perfect turned the key and nothing just turns over and zero spark but kill switch turns efi on and off so think its working... not sure about coil test and I have two of those stator pickups?
leedroy@gmail.com
I have a 98 cougar 550, didn’t have spark. When I unplugged the 4 prong connector at the stator, it fired right up. So I must have an open system, and there’s something wrong with the wiring in one of my switches right? And because it’s an open system I can’t do the bypass on the tss right?
Correct, you have an open system. You can still do the TSS bypass for testing. If it is bad I recommend fixing it or at the very least wiring in a safety tether.
It is an open system so something is wrong with one of your switches, the wiring harness, kill switch, tether or TSS.
I have a 96 ext 580 efi the battery was going on it but it started. I just changed the battery now there is no power going anywhere. I turn the key and there is nothing. No lights on dash, fuel injector doesnt kick on. I checked the new battery with a meter and its charged . I checked the fuses and there good. any ideas ?
I have a 1999 so 500 and it won’t shut off with key or kill switch. I have to ground out the coil. Any idea what it could be
Bad or broken ground. Moisture in connector. Moisture in kill switch or tether. CDI loses its internal ground path. I've seen it with 98-99 zrt800/1000 cdi boxes. Bad key switch. Bad stator. I've rewound several and it fixed their "won't shut off" issue.
Blain i have a 2002 zr cross country 600 efi. now on some cold days like 10 to 30 degrees my sled will have a really hard time starting now i know the cold will make and sled start hard but it will take me 10 pulls and it will start and run for around 10 seconds then the next time i pull it over it will either do the same thing or start right up. i was just wondering if any thing is wrong or if i just need a tune up or what.
Should start right up....if not is could be compression, fuel or spark.
I have a 06 arctic cat 250 fourwheeler with no spark. Please help
We're is the dino on for 1998 Arctic Cat 4×4