KEF LS50 WIRELESS VS $90K HIGH END AUDIO SYSTEM !
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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Here's a quick comparison between a cheap Home Audio system and a High Performance version.
This is so you can hear the difference.
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High End Audio = High End Price. Thks for the demo.
Maybe you do perform a similar demo everything the same but a set of much cheaper speakers.
Not so interesting to me
@@OCDHIFiGuy Show or demonstrate or teach the viewers what are Minimun high end systems money can buy new or used.
this doesn't really add up to a good comparison of price vs performance, its just physics of small vs large. Comparing to a $1900 tower like the Polk R700 would more sense in that room, even putting the R700 on the same amps/source would be great. Or the LS50 compared to the Kef Reference 1 monitor, tonetot etc.
Probably true, though I deal the good stuff..
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Posting before I even watch this through... It doesn't quite get there, right? lol
Edit: Also, I'm not going to knock it, as long as it doesn't sound like trash. Sometimes, you just want nice sound and not a lot of gear.
LS50 has some muted quality in comparison to your rig. Almost like they did something to the midbass/lower-mids, in comparison to your rig, I don't like the sound. Reminds me of the Marantz sound when I run my speakers through it's amps vs the "rig". Not "bad", but not "magical".
I need to go listen to some music now.
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what does "beat my rig" even mean? Different speakers at the same price point have different frequency responses. Which one is better can be very subjective. My guess is that a well made $5000 streaming DAC with a volume control feeding a pair of $15,000 full range speakers with a frequency response similar to your big rig would be statistically comparable to your big rig if 20 listeners were to compare them.
Lol. Wrong channel... see Amir at ASR...
It means give you a more realistic music experience like live music does. Ever seen that ?
C'mon Mikey, saying that a $20,000 system properly chosen can't give you a more realistic music experience like live music does is disingenuous.
sorry but this video is somewhat pointless. I love hifi gear, I spend lots and lots of money on personal audio mainly and without being in the room and comparing, there's no way you tell the real difference. For instance, I'm sat here on a macbook pro listening to your back to back, so my experience is limited by the shitty laptop speakers. Also, comparing a pair of wireless speakers that cost about 3,000usd? with a wired setup costing MANY times that is also somewhat pointless, it's like comparing a Fiat Punto with a Ferrari F40. If you have limited space, are these Kef any good compared to others in their class, like Naim Muso or the Phantoms?
You must be kidding me. The sound difference was much more than day and night. Obviously you're not the OCD guy.
Lol. ;-)
the room matters as much as the gear, of course.
Or go near field
I have 3 listening rooms it matters hugely ' Accustic trearment is a Must Espically if you want amazinging Soundstage
The KEFs were positioned way high in the room and were pointing away from the mic while the high end system was level with the mic and pointing towards the listening position. I don’t think this was a fair comparison.
Lol. If you think that matters, you are greatly mistaken. We were 12 feet away and the microphone was the same height as the speaker... they needed to be where they were for any meaningful soundstage... trust me, no 5K all in one will beat world class seperates
You used a better mic than before? The difference was intense. Congrat for the demonstration. You simply proved that highend audio is a real thing over consumer grade hifi. Comparison videos are generally really hard to make it justice, but this one was golden.
No. Used my Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra cel phone. No mic. I've never used anything but my phone.
@OCDHiFiGuy Why don't you use a high-end mic for your recordings??
Listening via my laptop and a pair of nice headphones I could live with either setup. I'd even go as far as saying I really liked the KEF speakers. I know I'll get shot down for that comment but so be it.
It's all good man. For some people it does not matter... ;-) that's why I suggest it for regular peeps..
This is a great illusion ... But why have the KEFs so high? If you're going to compare, might as well make it fair... The manufacturer recommends no more than 30 inches off the floor.
It won't matter...
Ls50s sounded better.
I hate the ls50 wit a passion.
Again it`s apparent why i do that.
It seems that this speaker is promoted as sounding above its price range.
Well, to me it doesn`t, it has some unpleasentness ad lack of musical ability that i find really disturbing.
So i think there is no comparison here.
Lol. It sounds exactly at its price range. You don't get what you don't pay for.
@@OCDHIFiGuy You`re right. However if you believe the hype it must be a small miracle.
Which it isn`t.
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It's not killer to me not watching it on my TV. It was ridiculously different and the high end system was absolutely gorgeous sounding.
For sure...
Well if you live in an apartment or a person that don't want a surround sound set-up yes it does make sense.
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The KEFs did really well, given that they're for small rooms not ballrooms, Mickey. Hardly surprising that they were bettered by large multi-driver speakers - the KEFS are only small two-ways after all. If they sounded that good without a sub, then try them with subs. Not sure if there was a sub connected or not, you didn't say ?
It's to show people what High End sounds like, not an actual comparison between 90k and $2500... lol.
@@OCDHIFiGuy It doesn't really add up to a good comparison its not hifi-end vs mid-fi, its just physics of small vs large.
@@DearSX I’ve heard the kef ls60, it made me question my system, accuphase 480, kef reference 1 mated with a jl fathom sub using their external crossover. If kef made an active in their reference line I would be all over it. It is hard to beat active crossovers. This video is horrible advice. I think it is good strategy to use speakers like this while saving for a better system. Decent sound and some resale value when you move on.
@@matthewfrazee3352The LS60 is amazing, I mean amazing. Their imaging is better than any LS, R and Reference lineup, which was quite a shocker to me. They are out of this world without a sub, I can only imagine them high passed with 2 good subs connected to them... thats like only 10k.
@@AbsoluteFidelity i have sold my Jl crossover and added a minidsp 2x4hd for bass management and Dirac. I am good for now. 😀
Dramatic difference.
Despite one being a multiway tower, the other a small coax, ...
I suspect much of the difference is from the equally dramatic variation of critical distance relative to the two positions.
The KEF being both closer together and more distant, possesses diminished interaural cues and elevated reverberant energy relative to direct energy.
Nice illustration.
I think there needs to be perspective. A 16 year old kid starting out would be hard pressed to put a system better than the kefs for a 2k price. My system when I was 20 was woefully bad. You want to get the younger generation interested in hifi abd telling them that 20k is the entry point is ridiculous.
I never said $20K was the entry point, in fact I TOLD YOU in the vid this was a killer $2500 Solution... I DONT SERVE the under $20K buyers is what I said. Yet, I still made a video for them, didn't I ?
I tried a pair of ls50 not wireless thought they were awful too bright and forward sounding
Try an outward toe-in. Coax speakers aren’t meant to be listened to head-on. They will sound bright that way.
Or you could just get a pair of Closer Acoustics OGY for the same price as LS50. They’re single driver speakers and they’re damn near perfect (I just want more bass).
Funny i have ls 50 wireless bought used for 1000 Euro and nice big System ps Audio with Wilson wp6 all used- i have to say keff are realy nice depending on source- Bluetooth sounds Not so nice- i also had the normal ls50 with my System to test and they can realy Sound Level up with realy Good Imaging- put still Miss big speakers
Nothing beats large speakers.
Although it is no match whatever you do, at least make it fairer by placing the KEFs on a stand where it belongs or use a bigger speaker with more scale to match. A 3 way like the LS60 with 2 good subs will give that system a run for its money, especially after room correction.
Whatever one believes to be true, is thier reality. ;-)
Through my headphones and whatever youtube does to the sound, there is remarkably little difference. Skipping back and forth between the two emphasizes the unexpected similarities!
Well in person, it's night and day. The difference is between something that sounds real and something that sounds fake. If they sound nearly alike to you, by all means buy LS50 Wireless for $1200 !!
A silly comparison. You definitely wouldn't position the Kef's that far away from the listener or that far above ear height or in that large of a room and you would most likely pair them with a sub which would all make for a more full listening experience.
Putting them closer with a sub still won't layer instruments in any meaningful way. But look, if KEF and Sub is your thing, Amazon sells it... it can be delivered tomorrow...
@@OCDHIFiGuy Glad to see you haven't changed your typical low brow insulting shtick. The point is simply, that room isn't even a use case for the LS50's and you know it, anyone expecting a speaker of that size to fill a room that large from that far away will always be left disappointed.
@@OCDHIFiGuyso what if amazon sells it and it can be delivered tomorrow?
This was a great idea! Hopefully this video helps people to understand. Educational content right here. Thanks! Keep it up Mikey
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Great setup but there's a dramatic improvement with the KEF Wireless 2 with the Meta tweeter and a properly placed subwoofer, which I think might have been a better comparison. Also the KEFs should have been placed at ear height, so they are way to high up.
Even if perfectly set up they are no contest. But thanks for the feedback
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@@OCDHIFiGuy Of course, your main setup is incredible.
Great demo, may I ask you what audio equipment you used to make this recording ?
Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra. Nothing more.
One of the best comparisons on RUclips, thank you! . Best regards, Alexander, Moscow, Russia.
Man, this makes sense. And wow! The Kef’s were so impressive- albeit the big system was definitely superior. The room you put it in is as much the final word 🙏🏼
In a perfectly treated room even the LS50 can sound amazing.
Glad you liked it!
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All the good stuff is
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@@OCDHIFiGuy 😂
@@net_news to be fair a lot of the worst stuff is as well.
Hi Mikey
Even on my phone I can hear the difference
Lucky enough to have both high end (in my mind) and LS 50 which I agree sound pretty good for the $, but love listening to high end
Take Care
All those $$$ to play muzak?
Or whatever. Plays everything
IMHO single driver speakers get you there for a fraction of the money. You don’t have to spend $30k. I heard the KEF L50 wireless II and LS60. They sound pretty good, but they seem to be trying too hard. There’s something artificial about the sound.
They can. Depends on what music you listen to and at what levels. Single drivers are great. Love them, but they are limited in what they are truly great at.
this is just a silly comparison in so many ways, couldn't you find a pair of speaker stands !!!??
You place the speakers way too high without toe in too far from the listening position only to get a bad result.
Of course, there is a difference between these systems and I understand what you want to achieve, but then do everything you can to get a fair comparison.
Lol. There is no fair comparison. We were sitting 12 foot back and the tripod was speaker height. Any closer and lower would not yield a large Soundstage. The fact that you think a speaker stand would improve the sound to any significant degree in my room, let's me know you should absolutely buy the $1200 speakers and forget High End audio..
Do you really have viewers of this channel that have KEF LS50? Seems like if you own gear like that you wouldn’t be interested in this channel
Instead of simply making videos for people with means to buy a $100K system, I'm inclusive of everyone... this channel is to educate...
How about Jeff Rowland Capri s2/125 and the lrs+ over the wireless ls50’s??
Interested to know your opinion since I was thinking of getting the JR combo for my Maggies.. actually been driving them with aavik i-180 but I oddly find it a bit thin and recessed..
That combo is far better, but you're looking at over $10K.
@OCD - The sad thing; I can hear the difference through my little Klipsch Powered rp-40's I am using as desk-tops. Not that my little Klipsch's are anything special - The difference was just that noticeable, I could hear it through speakers that are just little desktops. Thanks
Interesting. Thanks for your feedback..;-)
I could hear the difference that u call “layering” even on my iPhone. Can u pls provide a breakdown of the $90k system or tell me where to find that?
11stereo.com just call me. I'm the only one that sells the speakers in USA as I am the exclusive importer and seller.
add some subs to the kefs and place them in the same spot would be just as good if not better especially with room correction its end game.
Thanks, but your and my idea of "End Game" are separated by a great distance.
@@OCDHIFiGuy lol K keep wasting money. True end game would be some high end studio monitors on a proper room.
Just purchased the KEF LSX II wireless and KEF KC62 sub for about $2,100 and they sound so good in my game room.
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Casual listening to background music, versus critical listening to the best they can afford. I'm in the last catagory, and a musician.
Whoop! there it is !
Mike, what´s the rig playing with each speaker ? Dac directly to the KEFs ? I also think this Kefs are killer for the price, but obviously several very tall steps behind the big rig.
The KEF is a COMPLETE active system. Includes streamer, DAC, amps and speakers.
I love to You're you give a sound review of a song off Black Sabbath's Paranoid album
Great Album.
I immediately heard how the Kefs are not for long listining sessions. For that reason, I am out..
Yes, there's a clear difference.
You are funny :) You put the kef too high And on top of subs If you want to do real comp you need to put them on stands and position them correctly
Lol. Oy Vey... you know nothing my friend. There is nothing in the world that could bring these KEF anywhere close to High End Audio...
Hard to tell through RUclips. I am sure the Kef is far behind in sound though. I have never been a big fan. They are ok.
For $1200 / full system, I was impressed.
The Kef for the money is really good. But for the money of Kef I think Maggies LRS+ or .7 it's more of my taste 😊 What you think about LRS+ with an amp to match the price of LS50W, Who is better?
Maggie no question.... by a mile..
@@OCDHIFiGuy Agree 😉
Great vid your videos on hifi system per budget would be a great mini series with your experience ✌🏾
Noted!
Excellent vid ,
Excellent advice.
Regards antony ,
Warrington, england..
Thanks Antony !!
LS50 sounded quite good surprising really as they are usually better on decent stands and set up correctly. Think your room is pretty hifi friendly Mikey. Also I receny heard a pair of these with the Kef KC62 subs in a decent sized room not in a show, they were really impressive for the money.
This vid is to basically say if you can't spend 6K or more, forget it. Dont take HiFi seriously... these are enough...
Musicians are so called audiophiles too. We can't even spend $2k in full when we are starting out, but the ones that make an effort and set up a solid system with decent imaging have a potential leg up on their peers due to more hours of focused listening per week
This may be the best Mikey show yet. A common sense gut punch.
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Nice compare, thanks. Happy 4th!
Thanks! You too Joe !
WOW
I wonder why kef has not thought to a matching sub for the ls50s
There are many sat plus sub offerings around
They have one
@@OCDHIFiGuy hi thanks you very much indeed I did not know I have usually seen them rewieved alone
I grew up listening to small speakers and hearing a nice sound Then when I had the opportunity to listen to a proper full range speaker I understood what I was missing A lot indeed
Congratulations for your excellent video channel Kind regards gino
@gino3286 you bet Gino, have a great day !!
That’s a nice track Mikey. Title & artist pls?
Generic royalty free acoustic guitar... on Tidal..it's a series of 30 second to 1minute pieces of music for videos
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Ls sounds very boomy did u have the subs on ???
Not at all.
Song?
Good. Thanks
Great demo! Thanks, Mikey.
Glad you liked it!
Great flag shirt, Mikey!
Thx Dan !
Having a real dedicated midrange connot be replaced. The heart of the music is in the midrange.
Absolutely..
@@OCDHIFiGuy We are on the same page.
That's why offloading the LF via additional bass modules turns the superb fully mature KEF Uni-Q coax into a strong performer.
Apples and Oranges....
I hope so !!
Mikey, there is a lot more to that room than speakers+amp+source, and that Audio Masterclass guy revels in pointing out the deficiencies in recorded music (not to mention our &%#! ears !). Apparently there is a point where many of us can't tell the difference - whether its a 5K speaker vs a 10k speaker or further up - but the sense of air and separation in that room still comes across even via YT. Thanks for the vid.
Right. But I'm not changing the room between speakers. The comparison is still valid, but absolutely 💯. My room gets the best out of whatever is in here.
"Apparently there is a point where many of us can't tell the difference - whether its a 5K speaker vs a 10k speaker or further up"
If you are thinking in those terms, you've already lost. Judging gear based on what price bracket it falls into is almost a guaranteed fail. Forget the difference between a 5k speaker and a 10k speaker for a moment. Tell me what goes into making a 5k speaker. List all the parts and go over the design.
Needless to say, you won't be able to do that. Why? Because you can look at 10 or 20 pairs of speakers costing 5k and everyone will be completely different. You may love one, and hate the next. The biggest mistake audiophiles make when shopping for new gear is not having some type of plan, and/or relying way too much on reviews. At the very least, you need to be able to say, "This is what I don't like about my system....., and this is the type of improvement I expect from the upgrade. If you focus on what you are trying to achieve, the solution, in many cases, may cost less than what you currently have. One year at CES, Jeff Rowland had on display some of his best, most expensive components, all driving a pair of Vandersteen Model 1's. That speaker cost less than the sales tax is on the rest of the system. It sounded great, and very few people could walk by the room without stopping to listen. Quite often, the more you know, the less you have to spend.
As for the "master class" audio guy, I know who you're talking about. Just because he's a recording engineer doesn't mean he knows what he's doing. He's a strange guy, and when he talks about high end audio, it doesn't come from experience. A good portion of what he comments on, he has never heard. Its always "Audiophiles say this. Audiophiles say that.", etc.. Here's my advice/opinion on the matter. One of the biggest challenges an audiophile has to deal with is finding good recordings. Over 90% are crap. Before I listen to anything some recording engineer has to say, I want to see his work. If he can't make a good recording, he's in no position to tell other people what to do.
@@AT-wl9yq interesting reply. Thanks. When you refer to recordings, to what format do you refer ? Vinyl ?
@@AT-wl9yq I agree re the quality of the vast majority of recordings, and the '5K vs 10K' argument comes from Mr Audio Masterclass. The notion that those of us over 40 are wasting our money is ageism, but it seems increasingly popular among millennials who don't seem to grasp the concept of a calendar. Of course, it doesn't end there - the class war goes beyond gear to approved audiophile recordings - a topic unto itself.
@@OCDHIFiGuy I didn't really have a format in mind. I listen to vinyl only if the recording is all analog. Otherwise, I mostly use digital. But the point I was trying to make, wasn't analog vs digital. It was about all these audio engineers telling everyone what sounds good or bad when they can't make a recording worth listening to.
What would happen if you add a subwoofer to the LS50 system?
It would go deeper and free up the tops. Probably a nice improvement.
Obviously a big difference, like you said the separation of the instruments was so clear & the delicateness of the cymbals was a different level. For wireless standmounts the Kefs sounded really good as well.
I was quite impressed...
This is the first vid where I have liked the Fischers -- because I like the track, which I've heard before somewhere. What is it, BTW?
That said, I question the point in comparing Kef's £2,500 offering with the $19,000 Fischers. Especially when they're just plopped down on top of a pair of subs. At least give them a fighting chance with a pair of decent stands.
A much more interesting comparison for me would be with one of the Kef speakers in the same sort of price range, say the Reference 3 metas. I mean, the point could be to show how much better the Fischers are than other "less esoteric" speakers in a similar price range. Rather than how much better they are than price-inappropriate ones like the LS50 wireless.
You missed my point entirely. This is to show people who have Zero understanding of what High End Audio is, what it sounds like in a meaningful way. Why would I show the cheapest pair of speakers in existence to showcase F&F ? I'll use Magico or Wilson to show how good F&F are. Perhaps listening to what I say or reading my description will help you to understand my videos better as I explain this in the video as well as the written description... lol. Sheesh...