Lets be clear here. The 737MAX-8-200 is an FAA certified configuration that was made especially for Ryanair. It just caught on with other low cost carriers because of the ability to add more seats.
MAX is the icon of Boeing’s shift from an engineering excellence focused to a maximum profit focused company. Boeing’s top executives past and present have (tons of money and) blood in the hands.
Most should know about it if no other reason than the use of the failed plug in the non 200 Alaska Air. It was explained why there was a plug rather than a door then.
@@AdditionalAccountRequirement yes but the origins of the 200 was for ryanair, the other operators alone would have not been enough to lead to it being built
I'm sure it's fine for short flights less than 90mins but I would not want to be on their longer routes eg Ireland to canary Islands. Their NG's are horrible on that route too.
Should have upgraded the overwing exits with escape slides. Ever seen a video of a 737 being evacuated out ALL its doors (overwings included)? You will almost always see 30+ passengers standing on each wing with no idea where the hell they’re supposed to go.
@@NikolaiUA It’s not Boeing, but the FAA who thinks the trailing edge of the 737’s wing is within the 6 foot rule. Despite this, countless evacuations have been hindered by the 737’s lackluster overwing exits design. Panicked passengers are not smart enough to look down, follow arrows painted onto the surface of the wing & magically know exactly where to slide off the wing… that is if the flight deck has even lowered the flaps to full 40° for evac.
@@Z71OBS Oh yeah, now I remember those arrows, and true, I somehow assumed the flaps would be full down for a slide. Seems strange that the FAA doesn't take into account real-life evacs.. Have the luxury of real-life testing and no need for theoretical assumptions on panicked crowds behaviour. Must be burocracy.
The Max 8200 ironically has a maximum capacity of 197 passengers due to oxygen limitations. Ironically, if that would be 'fixed' the Max 8200 can fit actually more than 200 passengers. I think it was 203.
It’s to do with cabin crew minimums. Any more seats and they would need a fifth cabin crew member, which decreases profit margins. It’s absolutely possible but Ryanair etc found the sweet spot was 197.
@@LeighBrooksLbR So, creating a new config, paying for the pricier airplane, paying for the extra maintenance - all of that seems cheaper for Ryanair than a fifth FA
@@NikolaiUA It is when you consider all of those bar maintenance are one-time, upfront costs, and Ryanair don’t lease any of their aircraft (besides the Lauda A320s). If more capital expenditure reduces long term operational expenditure then it makes sense financially.
This doesn’t have plugs because unlike the 9 snd 10 it’s required by default to have the proper extra doors to meet the 90 second rule for the 200 pax capacity advertised for low cost airlines. Its more efficient on a per passenger basis than the regular 8 or the A320neo
Nitpick: Lynx Air was a rare case of controlled shutdown as opposed to abrupt. After filing CCAA (bankruptcy protection) the judge allowed the company to operate for another 5 days to repatriate passengers from vacations and also bring all aircraft back to Calgary. The court filings indicate 737-8 only. no mention of a -200. In 2015, it ordered a total of 46 737-8. but had a number of changes to contract between 2017 and 2022. At time of end they had 9 Leased 737-8s and 31 737-8s on order at very favourable prices. They considered the contract to be an asset because they had negotiated it at very very low price and wanted to sell it. Boeing came in and bought the contract from Lynx, as this would prevent a customer from buying 737s at a very very low price (and that price becoming public). Boeing scrubbed the 2015 press release from its web site (or couldn't find it) which might have had some details on whether they had ordered the extra door). The lessor of the 9 delivered 737-8s moved them fairly quickly to Westjet. Images on the web for the Lynx 737 don't show a emergency door behind wing. but show 2 over-wing exits. Wonder if the -200 designation is an european thing and the actual door is not needed by FAA in USA.
Very few 707s flew with that many seats, back then flying was more of a luxury, with fewer people being able to afford it planes were more often configured in what we would now call a high-J configuration. Also the 707 was 5-7 m longer with the same cross-section, depending on the variant.
Southwest mostly uses the 737-700 which is a bit smaller than the 737-800 (and its flawed successor the 737 Max 8) Apparently they got a few 737-800 sized aircraft and found that they had difficulty filling the aircraft.
Because the doors weren’t covered up. The MAX 8-200 is used primarily by budget airlines who have it configured in an all economy cabin so regulations will require the additional exit doors to be present.
I believe the 737 Max is a versatile aircraft and will end up being a workhorse. Boeing shouldn’t have given up on the 757 though. A more significant airframe particularly for longer hauls on lower capacity runs.
They didn’t have a choice. The 757 was produced at the wrong time unfortunately. Today, it would be very popular but 20 years ago, there wasn’t a need for it yet.
So they gave the unplugged door variant a plugged door… In all seriousness, I love previous generations of the 737, I just hope that later models of this aircraft are safer than early MAX aircraft. It is a very pretty aircraft, I just hope better quality control comes with this new variant.
@@westhavenor9513 what has this to do with MCAS? The 8 has no plug or whatever, the 8 has no Mid Cabin Exit. So the Exit on the 200 does not replace anything.
Not surprised "Ram them in" Ryanair bought a load of them. If they could get away with it Ryanair would charge you for toilet paper and put a coin slot in the hand dryer.
dont fly on it.ill fly.get to flightradar and see how many max are crashing,research about how many have crashed and how many flights a day,and get back to me ,ok?
Because that would mean another recertification process. And the numbers produced are too small for that additional cost being valuable. Airbus also still produces the „old“ A330 for the military MRTT version.
I fly once with "737-8200 " Pilots decided to land in total fog (20-30meter visibility) on "auto-pilot" I felt their decisions put my life in danger. I will avoid the cheapest and shityest european company in the future.
The extra doors are on all max 800s. Most have an interior that hides this door as it is just a plug. You won't notice it fron the inside but it's there. It was one of these doors blew out on that Alaska airlines flight.
@@davidwebb4904 Legacy airlines that I suppose give you 10% more legroom don't cost 10% more per ticket. They are over 3 times more expensive per ticket. Are you talking about budget airlines that charge more for some form of extra legroom seat? Then those seats don't cost 10% more. They might be over 50% more.
airline seating next to emergency exits should be avoided in the interest of safety, better banned . . . the COVID-19 pandemic has taught us that anything is possible in today's world . . . even the most unexpected of expectations . . . we all know that the B737-900 ER has been renamed as B737-MAX9 . . . but wonder whether the ER still applies to the B737-MAX9 . . . does it has the same extended range of the B737-900 ER . . .
@@kingsharkoon Because they could blame Ryanair for the requirement of a the extra door and therefore the plug only exists for them. Doesn’t matter if it’s true. It’s never Boeings fault.
@@crowguy506 the max 9 was built with an extra exit regardless of ryanair, they are not the same plane as @EuropeanRailfanAlt said. Otherwise the MAX 9 would have the same exit limit as the regular MAX 8 of 189.
Lets be clear here. The 737MAX-8-200 is an FAA certified configuration that was made especially for Ryanair. It just caught on with other low cost carriers because of the ability to add more seats.
I just flew one for the first time yesterday, it flies pretty nicely, much easier to land than the NGs, and I love the new 787-style screens
Will be interesting to see the Allegiant MAX 8-200
An aircraft best viewed through the window of a Delta A321neo first class seat!
We already saw one land at LAS last week. Don’t know when it will enter into service though
@@PlaneSpotterRVer314it’s already in service. If you check flight radar it’s flying schedule services.
One already made its delivery flight to Mesa AZ. Saw 3 more the other day at Boeing Field
It was flying from LAS to ANC last week.
MAX is the icon of Boeing’s shift from an engineering excellence focused to a maximum profit focused company. Boeing’s top executives past and present have (tons of money and) blood in the hands.
McDonnellification
Indeed I did know about it and have flown it several times with RYANAIR . The main difference being the extra emergency exits .
I saw the first Allegiant MAX 8-200
Max 8-200 (and other ultra high density narrow bodies) makes sense on flights less than 3 hours.
Ryanair uses it on flights up to 6 hours 😭
@@EuropeanRailfanAlt Don't catch those
Southwest should order some too
More exit doors? Boeing is good at installing those
only 1 out of more than 200 a day.honestly
Yea, an exit door not a door plug . Two different things
@@mmm0404Too many people are uneductaed
With the issues they had with the jet in 2019, it's good to see their order book has MAXs in it
Most should know about it if no other reason than the use of the failed plug in the non 200 Alaska Air. It was explained why there was a plug rather than a door then.
ryanair such a major boeing customer they designed a specific model for them
Isn't the MAX-7 basically the same but for Southwest?
@@wrichikbiswas pretty much
Theres other customers too you know that ordered it. Its not like the 747-400ER that only Qantas ordered or the A350-900ULR that only SQ ordered
@@AdditionalAccountRequirement yes but the origins of the 200 was for ryanair, the other operators alone would have not been enough to lead to it being built
I'm sure it's fine for short flights less than 90mins but I would not want to be on their longer routes eg Ireland to canary Islands. Their NG's are horrible on that route too.
I knew Ryanair had max 8 planes but I didn't realise it was a whole different variant even with the stairs.
Should have upgraded the overwing exits with escape slides. Ever seen a video of a 737 being evacuated out ALL its doors (overwings included)? You will almost always see 30+ passengers standing on each wing with no idea where the hell they’re supposed to go.
Aren't there slides off the wing (passing on top of the inboard flaps)? Or that's the A320 family?..
@@NikolaiUA A320 family. Smallest commercial Boeing aircraft with over wing slides is the 757
@@Z71OBS Well, maybe Boeing thinks the 737 is sufficiently low to jump, who knows
@@NikolaiUA It’s not Boeing, but the FAA who thinks the trailing edge of the 737’s wing is within the 6 foot rule. Despite this, countless evacuations have been hindered by the 737’s lackluster overwing exits design. Panicked passengers are not smart enough to look down, follow arrows painted onto the surface of the wing & magically know exactly where to slide off the wing… that is if the flight deck has even lowered the flaps to full 40° for evac.
@@Z71OBS Oh yeah, now I remember those arrows, and true, I somehow assumed the flaps would be full down for a slide.
Seems strange that the FAA doesn't take into account real-life evacs.. Have the luxury of real-life testing and no need for theoretical assumptions on panicked crowds behaviour. Must be burocracy.
Great
The Max 8200 ironically has a maximum capacity of 197 passengers due to oxygen limitations. Ironically, if that would be 'fixed' the Max 8200 can fit actually more than 200 passengers. I think it was 203.
210 is the exit limit and the oxygen system issue is bullshit
It’s to do with cabin crew minimums. Any more seats and they would need a fifth cabin crew member, which decreases profit margins. It’s absolutely possible but Ryanair etc found the sweet spot was 197.
@@LeighBrooksLbRThat is what I read also.
@@LeighBrooksLbR So, creating a new config, paying for the pricier airplane, paying for the extra maintenance - all of that seems cheaper for Ryanair than a fifth FA
@@NikolaiUA It is when you consider all of those bar maintenance are one-time, upfront costs, and Ryanair don’t lease any of their aircraft (besides the Lauda A320s). If more capital expenditure reduces long term operational expenditure then it makes sense financially.
This doesn’t have plugs because unlike the 9 snd 10 it’s required by default to have the proper extra doors to meet the 90 second rule for the 200 pax capacity advertised for low cost airlines. Its more efficient on a per passenger basis than the regular 8 or the A320neo
If comfort is your priority, and you’re not familiar with airline and aircraft type differences, this video will be especially valuable to you.
Am I the only one that saw this on FR24 and wondered what this meant?
Speaking of model aircraft designations, kindly do one on A320 sl???
There is no A320 'SL'. That's just an abbreviation by some avgeeks to designate the 'wingleted' A320s. 😅
@@kingsharkoon thanks
SL stands for sharklet which are the new winglets
@@Razor48X Thanks
I can already see how big of a train wreck this comment section is going to be
Nitpick: Lynx Air was a rare case of controlled shutdown as opposed to abrupt. After filing CCAA (bankruptcy protection) the judge allowed the company to operate for another 5 days to repatriate passengers from vacations and also bring all aircraft back to Calgary.
The court filings indicate 737-8 only. no mention of a -200. In 2015, it ordered a total of 46 737-8. but had a number of changes to contract between 2017 and 2022.
At time of end they had 9 Leased 737-8s and 31 737-8s on order at very favourable prices. They considered the contract to be an asset because they had negotiated it at very very low price and wanted to sell it. Boeing came in and bought the contract from Lynx, as this would prevent a customer from buying 737s at a very very low price (and that price becoming public). Boeing scrubbed the 2015 press release from its web site (or couldn't find it) which might have had some details on whether they had ordered the extra door).
The lessor of the 9 delivered 737-8s moved them fairly quickly to Westjet.
Images on the web for the Lynx 737 don't show a emergency door behind wing. but show 2 over-wing exits.
Wonder if the -200 designation is an european thing and the actual door is not needed by FAA in USA.
Great a plane with 200 seats that most airlines put in 186 seats heck the 707 was bigger and it had around 190 seats
Define "great". I'd much rather be in an Airbus A321.
Very few 707s flew with that many seats, back then flying was more of a luxury, with fewer people being able to afford it planes were more often configured in what we would now call a high-J configuration. Also the 707 was 5-7 m longer with the same cross-section, depending on the variant.
I wonder how many people confuse this variant with the old 737-200 :D
I’m pleased but surprised that southwest wasn’t listed. Why don’t they want the highest density variant?
Because they might not have a need for that.
@@tailsorange2872 Ryan and these other ultra low cost airlines are willing to make their customers even more uncomfortable compared to SW.
Southwest mostly uses the 737-700 which is a bit smaller than the 737-800 (and its flawed successor the 737 Max 8)
Apparently they got a few 737-800 sized aircraft and found that they had difficulty filling the aircraft.
I'm still yet to fly this variant, or any MAX variant for that matter
I’ve only flown on the MAX once with WN
So, the Max9 got grounded for those 'doors' blowing out. Odd how they didn't ground the Max 8-200...cuz it has the same doors.
Because the doors weren’t covered up. The MAX 8-200 is used primarily by budget airlines who have it configured in an all economy cabin so regulations will require the additional exit doors to be present.
I’ve fown on it on Ryanair from Stansted to vilnius
Love you max,so sad people think you are deadly
737 max
I believe the 737 Max is a versatile aircraft and will end up being a workhorse. Boeing shouldn’t have given up on the 757 though. A more significant airframe particularly for longer hauls on lower capacity runs.
They didn’t have a choice. The 757 was produced at the wrong time unfortunately. Today, it would be very popular but 20 years ago, there wasn’t a need for it yet.
The 737 Max is an unsafe aircraft,there have been reports this year of spoilers deploying on their own.
i wont fly on this ,but ill fly on a normal max 8 for sure!
cuz,i mean,2 hours in that is intolerable.max 8 better.never even flown in a max,not even in a 737,but hope to
Allegiant will use them during the Fall for college football charters.
How have they added the extra 8 or so seats? One less toilet? Even less legroom? I value my kneecaps!!
Because passengers are willing to fly with less legroom for two euros less.
Single-class layout
They squished the toilets and galleys. 😅
@@kingsharkoon Galleys? That's 10 extra seats right there. BYO sandwich.
Flat aft pressure bulkhead, same as on -900ER and -9, plus increased seat density
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I prefer the Airbus A321neo.
A321neo isn't equivalent to the 737 MAX 8-200. The A321neo is meant for legacy airlines while the 737 MAX 8-200 is meant for budget airlines.
Korean Air will fly the Boeing 737 MAX 8 to other Asian Countries.
DOOR ID THE DIFFERENCE
Well doors blow out less than cars crash
@@thetruthbehindplanesthat’s a door plug. This has an extra exit door
知らんかった！
at list this model does not have doorplug issues :D
So they gave the unplugged door variant a plugged door…
In all seriousness, I love previous generations of the 737, I just hope that later models of this aircraft are safer than early MAX aircraft.
It is a very pretty aircraft, I just hope better quality control comes with this new variant.
No. There is an additional Exit instead of nothing. No plug.
2 add'l emergency exits replace the door plugs. MCAS that caused two early hull loses was redesigned. Better quality control going forward is TBD.
Do you guys know what a plug is? 😂 There us no hole to be plugged om the -8 therefor there is no plug removed for the -8200..😅
@@westhavenor9513 what has this to do with MCAS? The 8 has no plug or whatever, the 8 has no Mid Cabin Exit. So the Exit on the 200 does not replace anything.
I think El Het codes are all Ryanair.
You should started the video by saying "this is a Ryan air made type of aircradt" , that should do the rest of explaination 😂
Not surprised "Ram them in" Ryanair bought a load of them.
If they could get away with it Ryanair would charge you for toilet paper and put a coin slot in the hand dryer.
...and if it was technically possible make a hole in the floor rather than plumb in a conventional toilet.
No, they would put a coin slot in the toilet door.
They might charge you by the weight of those things you dumb in their toilet, e.g., 10 € for 100 gram.
Ha ha ha...coin slot in an aircraft @ 30-40,000 ft 😂...careful this doesn't catch Rynnair top brass
@@fjp3305They proposed that many years ago but backed out after receiving strong criticism
boeing 737 max 17-900-500-700-400-300-200-400-600
The FAA has NO MINIMUM SEAT SIZE or PASSENGER SPACE REQUIREMENTS but there are MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR TRANSPORT OF ANIMALS. Just not humans.
Why not just order the max 9?
Because it is more expensive to buy and consumes more fuel
Lost my confidence in Boeing and its 737 max series, I would prefer not to fly on any of these jets due to safety issues...
don"t fly on it then, no one is forcing you
Yeah! Who knows what more defect is hidden, right?
dont fly on it.ill fly.get to flightradar and see how many max are crashing,research about how many have crashed and how many flights a day,and get back to me ,ok?
Boeing still makes the 737NG for the military like the Wedgetail and P8 Poseidon and P8I neptune, surprised they arn't upgraded to the Max platform
Because that would mean another recertification process. And the numbers produced are too small for that additional cost being valuable. Airbus also still produces the „old“ A330 for the military MRTT version.
@@MrSchwabentier I see
It seems that some of those companies that made later orders got earlier deliveries. Interesting.
I fly once with "737-8200 "
Pilots decided to land in total fog (20-30meter visibility) on "auto-pilot"
I felt their decisions put my life in danger. I will avoid the cheapest and shityest european company in the future.
The extra doors are on all max 800s. Most have an interior that hides this door as it is just a plug. You won't notice it fron the inside but it's there. It was one of these doors blew out on that Alaska airlines flight.
wrong. MAX 8s that aren't 200s dont have a hole there at all (like the 737-900 non-ER) and are as such limited to 189 passengers.
The Alaska airlines flight was a Max 9 not 8
Id rather pay10% more to have 10% more legroom.
I don't think that's how it works.
@ how do you think First and business classes work so profitably?
@@davidwebb4904 Legacy airlines that I suppose give you 10% more legroom don't cost 10% more per ticket. They are over 3 times more expensive per ticket. Are you talking about budget airlines that charge more for some form of extra legroom seat? Then those seats don't cost 10% more. They might be over 50% more.
Summary: allows for more deaths when the shoddy built plane nosedives itself into the ground.
737 MAX profits.😂
airline seating next to emergency exits should be avoided in the interest of safety, better banned . . . the COVID-19 pandemic has taught us that anything is possible in today's world . . . even the most unexpected of expectations . . . we all know that the B737-900 ER has been renamed as B737-MAX9 . . . but wonder whether the ER still applies to the B737-MAX9 . . . does it has the same extended range of the B737-900 ER . . .
The B737 Max 9 is not a rebranded B737-900 ER.
That comment will hurt any avgeek. 😂
Thanks for a great list of airlines to stay far away from 😂😂
So why didn’t Boing blame Ryanair for the plug door incident then….?
The MAX 8200 and MAX 9 are two different variants
@@EuropeanRailfanAltwell, it's the same door. Anyhow, why would Ryanair be blamed for sth they have no part in is the question ❓😂
@@kingsharkoon Because they could blame Ryanair for the requirement of a the extra door and therefore the plug only exists for them. Doesn’t matter if it’s true. It’s never Boeings fault.
@@crowguy506 the max 9 was built with an extra exit regardless of ryanair, they are not the same plane as @EuropeanRailfanAlt said. Otherwise the MAX 9 would have the same exit limit as the regular MAX 8 of 189.
The airlines that have ordered it = the airlines I will not book a flight with
How many airlines are impacted by Boeing's inability now?
Way to deal with your customer base.
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how many airlines are dealing with your magic a350 delays?
@@thetruthbehindplanes Overall, none.
OK.well order 350 now,wait for 10 years.probabky more
Better than waiting forever elsewhere.
Nicklolly and logic, not necessarily the best combination.
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@@jantjarks7946 Nick Najib?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????