Could the EU Kick Poland Out for Challenging Europe's Laws? - TLDR News
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Poland is currently challenging the EU's supremacy, something they don't like all that much, so some are beginning to question if the country is on the path to being ejected. In this video we explain Poland's challenge, what it means for Europe and if it could result in Poland's removal from the union.
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*will Poland and Hungary get kicked out of the EU?*
German car companies:
*heavily sweating*
There are always Romanians to replace them at any point.
The myth of polish labour beeing without alternative for germany is no longer realistic.
@@noobster4779 or German labour... We shouldnt always need to import our labour
@@noobster4779 your argumentation would be spot on if Romania had all the good aspects as Poland, taking into consideration the geographical locaton and the condition of the highway and train system etc... And to summarize everything the relocation would cost too much money
@@jake3736Polish and Hungarian workers work for less money than their counterparts in Germany
@@brucecourse1410 I know
"Almost immediately the EU was concerned."
I'm sorry, but that line is really hilarious. 😁
After a brief moment, someone in Brussels: "Wat? What did you say just happened?"
It's concerned about Ukraine too. But no action so far
@@NeoZondix I think everyone all over the world is a concerned about the ukrainians when you got Russia right next to them
When the EU is more concerned with kicking members out than human rights violations
@@attiepollard7847 yeah, but it doesn't go any further than concerns. Germany pretty much fucked us up with Nord Stream 2, but they've been so concerned about Russia over the last 7 years!! Especially their ex president who works at Gazprom
The blue part of Poland's flag represents its loyal allies.
Ha ha ha, well noticed !
hey, hungary exists pretty good bros forever
Exactly!
@Grzesiek T. i used to wear a full red adidias mens suit in poland when i was younger and no one ever said something
I mean The UK did invade Germany and were later invaded and France giving up hurted themselves as well
"The EU was furious, and punished Poland severely"
i can see the animation in my head already
@@TheAlfukman 😂 took them to the dungeon in a leather outfit.
Nice reference
I hope they will, so that we kick out PiS
🤣
Man what is going on. These past few years been crazy. The uk left, Germany is now getting sued, Poland fighting back against Eu laws. The Swiss walked away from the talks. Eu need some reforms or it won’t have much of a future. Right now it’s definitely not a happy union 🤕.
countries being sued in the eu happens all the time. furthermore i aggree the eu needs to be reformed in that it has more power. As that is the only way it has a future.
Germany getting sued by the EU is nothing new. The are regularly paying fines for breaking EU rules.
Because the centralised bureaucracy of EU law in Brussels has been over-reaching for well over a decade now with many countries parliaments having their self-determination severely curtailed whilst simultaneously having little agency or power to get the changes they want through the EU parliament. It all started with the Lisbon treaty and went downhill from there.
@@EarlHare well it is ez to say EU is hurting our contrie and never say that in the background litterly the same people discuss what they will push throw
The main proplen what EU faces is the size it got -> due to the joining of 10 members in near no time EU got less flexible and it is difficult to stabalise everyone even after 17 years
Hungary being told to get out as well(we are non European though so makes sense)
That moment when you're Polish and see that your country is getting famous on youtube - :D
When you realise why - D:
As an American, I'm so sorry for y'all. Even when Polish history lets up, it just doesn't let up.
At least Poland is pretty much doing this to themselves this time, I guess
@@Julianna.Domina All Poland is doing is making laws for itself and rejecting the multicultural globalist agenda from the E.U. and now its being bullied for it
I respect Poland for standing up for itself and not letting it be dictated by unelected officials in Brussels who do not care about Poland & only cares if its following the agenda
Soon Poland will be famous for being the only european country (left).
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 you statement is racist, america Doesn't define any Particular race, religion its a free country
@@Julianna.Domina I am a conservative and I hate all of the leftist/globalist propaganda and destruction process that is taking place in the Western Europe (and USA too actually), however the current ruling party PiS is doing nothing for the interest of this country, they care only about their pockets and power. This party is described as conservative and right-wing but in reality they have nothing to do with those values. On the other side there is the opposition made of pure leftists and there is also a Confederation party which is actually the only patriotic one (but they have controversial and kinda weird politicians, also they do not really seem to win any elections). So to sum up we in this country do not really have an option to choose that would honestly care about the nation and the national benefit.
To be honest, Germany being sued by the EU is pretty normal for the country but, in contrast to Poland or Hungary, it's not at all about underminig the EU. That would be the very last thing Germany is interested in.
Hungry and Poland do have laws, yes. But it's laws that are counter to EU principals
@@ConnorLonergan national laws > Eu laws. Also France keeps destroying countries yet i don't see the Eu moving a single finger.
The EU is a German and French imperialist plot.
It's not in their best interest, but they're not very good at being for their interests.
You have this law issue, blaming other countries for global crisis while ignoring their banks' role in them, etc.
Germany is slowly, but surely and maybe unwillingly, undermining the EU.
@@littlefinger4509 Nation laws are supreme, except in those cases where you made agreements saying otherwise. The EU is such a case, where they promised EU law supremacy, for many many benefits, including a very heavy say in how EU law is formed in future via super majority and unanimous voting systems. Something that clearly massively benefits small countries say in things.
Breaking your agreements with out leaving the club, but still trying to collect all the benefits is quite duplicitous meanwhile.
One of the main reason, why constitution is such a big deal is the fact that no other law can overstep it. 🤷
Well thats exactly what the EU wishes to do, overrule national constitutions
@@simonneve1100 Were did you get that from ? .
15 countries have already questionned the so called EU law supremcy, no one of these countries have been threatened by the EC that applies double standards to Poland.
the so called EU supremacy isn't supreme. Just leave the EU. When you joined, you changed your constitution to account for EU supremacy in exchange for free market, euro zone, schengen zone, etc. EU comes with lots of perks and a little loss of sovereignty in areas of cultural significance and peaceful cohabitation.
@@LiviuGelea Typical EC current bla bla propaganda. No one signed the Treaty to abandon largely the sovereinty. In the Treaty, areas such as the judiciary system and cultural aspects are precisely excluded from the purview of non elected European Commissionners. But certain countries (perhaps Romania) don’t mind to become „gradually and peacefully” EU fringe colonies.
Poland is right, as is Hungary. I think you should be allowed to leave the EU at choice.
@@LiviuGelea EU law has changed so much, and now is forcing countries to follow it. Like, lets make less rights for local people, if youre white in scandinavia, no rights for you, if your language is dieing, and youre from a small nation, lets fucking continue destroying your nation, by forcing your company owners to prioritize rusnazis over local people. Lets just talk about gays every day every where, so people start to hate them, and then we can shame them.
@@user-wr3vt8uq4s we would be delighted to have them far and away. They would go on producing Polski Fiats and be very happy working their fields by hand and horse carriages.
Germany destroys EU be dealing with Russia (Nord Stream2) and you are still focus on Poland, Hungry etc. Guys change mental maps.
There isn't an embargo on Russian gas and oil. Europe needs it and is willing to pay for it while searching alternative sources. Simultaneously Poland blames Germany for not wanting to have its gas supply be controlled by a corrupt populist Polish government.
@@LiviuGelea There is alternative, nuclear energy in sort of French energetic mix so gas is not very needed. Next there is clear conclusion: when gas it isn’t necessary, Nord streams seems to be welcoming strongly Russia to politics of Western continent and it is blocking fast democratisation of countries like Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova and western Balkans state. Is Polish government populist? I wouldn’t say that, rather it is demagogic. Law and justice party had a lot of ‘progressive’, social reforms simply to ones of the Biden’s administration.
@@LiviuGelea and it isn’t very corrupted like Bulgaria, Romania, Italy. Problem is with making state’s boss from party.
USA no Germany
@@LiviuGelea There's no embargo on Russia, but also Russia is not in this economic union, we call the EU. Why should Poland be loyal if zi Germans are not?
when Poland does what Germany does, suddenly eu doesn't like it
Yes, you haven't watched the video chap
mong
what does Germany do exactly?
This is EU in a nutshell.
@@lorisperfetto6021 The video basically says "its ok for Germany to say their constitution is above EU law, its not ok for Poland to say that their constitution is above EU law" .
There is no need for a sherlock here, political views of the channel owners are quite obvious. The video is not without bias.
Indeed Poland is a country.
And it seems everyone forgot that a country can do stuff that is contrary to a larger faction, like France with NATO
and a racist one at that
@@Reverend-ek6kt More like China and Japan with immigrants
@@Reverend-ek6kt Where did you get THAT idea? form Visual Politik videos? :D
@@piotrd.4850 I've been there, and so have my friends. I'm mixed race and experienced racism from people I didn't even know. Also my friend is white and experienced racism for being British, they even damaged his car because it had British plates.
So basically: do what you want, Poland, because no matter what you do, you cannot get kicked out of the EU.
Yet....
EU can stop giving them billions every year...
EU countries that are also NATO members can have a chat with the USA (who most likely agree with Western EU's position) and decide to remove troops from Poland,...
EU companies in Poland can move their facilities & jobs in a countriy less hostile...
EU can definitely remind Poland (and Hungary) how weak they would actually be if they loose their allies !
This situation is lacking any preparation on how to deal with something like this by EU treaties right now. But this doesn't mean, that they can't create a kick-out procedure now, as a reaction to this new and unforseen situation.
All they have to do is to allign all EU member states -exept Hungary and Poland- and sign a new and reworked treaty, that replaces old treaties and includes this kick-out mechanism. It is technically also possible, to dissolve the EU in its current state and replace it immediately with a new doctrine. This removes the neccessity of Hungarys and Polands acceptance and those countries as member states in a single go.
@@trthib The EU _could_ do a lot of things, but given how they are completely crippled by bureaucracy and political correctness, I *highly* doubt any of the things you mention will actually happen.
@@dnocturn84 While what you are saying is a possible solution it's also, at least in my opinion, a very theoretical one and not likely to happen any time soon.
@@trthib yeah, and if you do that, you’re leaving them at Russia’s mercy. In the event they want to “reclaim” former Soviet land, way to go bud. Some real top tier thinking.
Surely it is far more important that the German Supreme court has also said that German law is superior to EU law? The worry here is that Germany is doing exactly what Poland is doing BUT over an issue that does not offend politicians on the liberal left. Same principle; different response...... oh and Germany has sheds load of cash!
Except that the German ruling had no practical effect. Constitution may come first, but country's laws cannot break EU treaties either. This is the problem of Poland and Hungary.
@The Big Kiwi That's the goal. How far it gets depends on member states. In my opinion the American federation went too far and federal government is too powerful. EU members are obliged to abide by existing treaties.
@stanley The EU breaks it's own rules when it suits especially when it comes to bailing out EU countries
@@derekbland5253 rule of law is the basis of a democratic and free country, allowing the creation of a dictatorship country and it being in the EU flys completely in the face of EU values. And stop conflating issues, you can't have your cake and eat it. If you can't abide by the EU's ideals then please leave the union as the British did.
@@Alex-df4lt it potentially did. Based on that ruling Germany could withhold funds.
Poland never "introduced" disciplinary chamber, it was always there, but earlier it was chosen and dependant from other members of high Court, while currently it was made independent of it, but more dependant on parliament.
This was a move after decades of shoving under the carpet disciplinary cases against judges, even red handed crimes, by former disciplinary chamber.
Uh, this was a move to take over the courts. With disciplinary judges selected by politicians of ruling party (with choice based on loyalty and not merit, as PiS usually does...), the party has a direct leverage over judges who don't rule as politics wish. Not a healthy situation at all.
THIS IS POLAND. NOT Germany, NOT France, NOT Belgium, NOT Netherlands... If You guys cannot grasp this simple fact, you have nothing to look for here. NOBODY will tell us what to do in our own country. So all of these discussions are futile. We will never give up our country and the rule over it to foreign powers. So as soon as anyone steps in here and tries to do just that - tell us Poles what to do - it's already a lost battle. Whoever thought this will work - was dead wrong. We felt 17 years ago that the "West" owes us money. We got the money from the "West". The money was well spent, as we are the best growing country in the wholeof the EU. Now there is literally nothing holding us here. Especially with totally different views on the ethnic structure of society, religion, views on migrations and so on so forth. Western Europe has totally lost its way in our eyes. It has lost its culture, lost its identity and is rapidly loosing its culture. Our biggest supposed ally, and neighbor in the EU - Ze Germans - are openly doing business against us with the Russians. How anyone with a sane mind will expect intelligent free conservative people of Poland to overlook that fact? Mark my words - the outrageous claims of the EU institutions do not make any impression at all over here. We look at You - the "western Europeans" - as we look at very old people, who lost their touch with reality around them long time ago. It is an overwhelming feeling, even when doing business with You. You dont understand simple business, act on silly prejudice, you are not innovative anymore. Your time has passed. You have already lost your coutries to old age, and horrendous numbers of imigrants, that You welcome - in hope that they will work. They will not. They will keep spreading their culture, they will keep breeding, consequently outnumbering You in Your own respective countries. This will not happen in Poland. As a boy i was once in awe of the "western Europe". There is almost nothing left of that world today. I feel sorry for You. You blew it! But we had nothing to do with this - You have brought this quiet annihilation on yourselves. Respectively - please don't tell us what you think we should do - You have proven Your own advice is useless.
Maker of this clip is really badly informed about this situation. Polish constitutional tribunal had ruled on this issue twice before and there is consistent line of interpretation of law. Polish constitution is always more important than any other sources of law.
2:45 The current Ombudsman, Adam Bodnar, has not been dismissed, but his term has expired. His successor was appointed. The term of office of the ombudsman in Poland is 5 years. Adam Bodnar has been Ombudsman since September 9, 2015. The Tribunal did not dismiss him, but checked whether, in accordance with Polish law, he could hold office after the end of his 5-year term of office.
It's not exactly true. The term of Ombudsman is 5 years, but legally he cannot be removed until a new ombudsman had been chosen. Law and justice could not get their candidate accepted in the parliament so they did a workaround which by many is considered illegal: they've asked the tribunal about the legality of the extended term and it had been ruled that in no case can it be extended. There are two problems with this move: 1.Most of the legal scholars claim that the constitutional provision to have a ombudsman in office at any given time, takes precedence before the 5 years term provision. 2.The constitutional tribunal in its current form is unconstitutional. The party had de facto removed some of non-removeable judges and filled it out with political appointees. Most of them were members of the L&J Party which in itself is unconstitutional.
@@szymonjanas7777 The term of office of the ombudsman in Poland lasts 5 years, this is the constitutional provision. On the other hand, in the Act on the Human Rights Defender "the current Human Rights Defender performs his duties until the new Ombudsman takes over" There is a contradiction. What comes first, and here I explain.
The act is a generally binding legal act passed by the parliament. In Poland, the law has lower legal force than the Constitution and ratified international agreements, but higher than the regulations.
So, according to the constitution, Bodnar could only hold office for 5 years. TK is right in this case, even if you don't recognize it. The constitution has greater legal force than an ordinary law. Following this line, it can be said that Bodnar held his office breaking the consensus, because he held practically 6 years.
2:48 Adam Bednar he finished him term and Polish parliament choose new one again from opposition
Germany builds Nords Stream 2 without asking nobody and compromises all of the central and eastern countries national interests. Germany invites ILLEGAL immigrants to look for cheap labor ( it backfires) then tries to relocate them according to EU laws. At this point EU is being governed by Germany under the flag of EU. Now this is ok as long as they respect other countries national interests!
That is a bunch of unrelated lies and whataboutism. Germany has it's own issues with EU law, but never has it contested EU law supremacy. Poland on the other hand is just on it's way to an autocratic regime via a populist agenda that resonates to the low classes of Poland and is bound to send the EU the way of the dodo by unilaterally decreeing it wants only European money, not its laws.
@@LiviuGelea There are several countries disputing or are currently in dispute with EU judiciary laws ( Germany included) European money? You obviously do not realize that Western companies made 513 billion dollars in Poland from 2005-2015 in the form of dividends and consumed profits. EU doesn't have any money it distributes it amongst the member states. It also profits enormously from open markets which is why there are so many foreign companies "milking"on the Polish markets and relatively cheaper labor. The underlying problem here is not the laws but profit. Yes, Poland is more conservative which EU does not approve it is also more nationalistic towards businesses ( this creates competitive market for other state members). This is the conflict in its true nature not laws but money and interests. Always was always will be!
Lmao, brainwashed little guy
@@Gary-bz1rf sure buddy haha
@@cobra4640 north steam 2 is not illegal in any matter ... ther are nations like poland that want to get payed by using piplelines that get trough them and poland simply demanded more and more money until germany sayd screw you ..... and germany never invited any immigrants (after the 60s) they just came to Greece and greece almost collapsed ...
Ther was not really a place to send them so most eu nations sayd we distribut them among all eu staats ... poland and hungary sayd no and all other eu nations became angry
4:38 Please do add information that this man is former prosecutor during communist regime and has prosecuted members of democratic opposition
You can't understand PiS and situation in Poland without knowing that ruling party is:
pro catholic, anti-russian, anti-communist, pro law and justice on paper
and
de-facto destroying authority of the Church, playing into Russian intrests, promoting former communist goons, ingoring the law and promoting "tribal" justice
In U.S. our Republican party is the same except they kiss up to white evangelicals
He was a prosecutor in the communist regime but is anti-communist?
@@TheUnitedNations. Clearly their only affiliation is to their own power and not any cause or ideology, I hope Poland will be able to recorrect this slippery authoritarian slope.
This is the most Shittest comment I have read all day
@@TheUnitedNations. Many Poland politicians (both left and right wing ones) started their career during comunist regime.
"But we can change the EU from within" - clearly not
well you are out Matthew so why do you care so much ? So your Brexit will be validated ? :) Just another case of w(f)ishful thinking :D
@@petrsixta7683 no I want national governments to be able to do what their populations want. It's clear in the EU this isnt possible. A reformed EU I would support.
@@matthewrichard9626 Reformed into what? A trading bloc?
@@matthewrichard9626 My national government sent paramilitars to kick us because we hold a referendum asked by a vast majority.I trust much more european legal system that spanish inquisition.
@@Lemonz1989a few things.
I'd like to see EU law be adopted by national governments on a case by case basis, opting in and out as they saw fit, and by extension removing the policy of ever closer union.
The EU parliament to be able to propose legislation rather than the commission.
Not having party lists so a vote was for a person and not a party.
Having more freedom with trade deals, allowing nations to hold independent trade deals as well as the agreements made through the EU.
If all of these happened I would fully support membership. But I doubt this will happen. If one or two of these changed I might be swayed.
Imagine being told you might be kicked out of the EU and thinking that's a punishment instead of a reward
Because it is a punishment.
@@melvinbeck5047 if you say so.
@@donttreadonmemes if you look at any eastern country gdp curve around the time of joining EU you'll know it is a punishment.
Exactly. The only thing that EU does is draining money and people from newer members to the old. It barely offers anything in return compared to the cost.
@@donttreadonmemes delusional leftism as usual. anyone who goes against these globalists are treated like Trump was treated, i have nothing but contempt for modern day "democracy".
Poland should create an Intermarium equal to the EU in size, just better & more fair policies.
with the first rule being.
NO GLOBALISTS!
The actual question, is: Does the EU want to function as a nation-state or a club? If it's a "club of countries" then the unanimity (although good) needs to be changed to majority (easier said then done), that way if the "club" has rules and you don't like them, well, then you're out of the club. Alternatively, if they're trying to be a federalized nation-state, then, if you're buying into it, you're already turning over rule of law. Ultimately the EU needs to decide what it wants to be.
Theoretically, it's economical alliance uniting countries of Europe and in theory it is supposed to interfere in internal affairs of specific country only in extreme cases, keeping the respect of countries' own laws. And Art.8 §1 of Constitution of Commonwealth of Poland disallows EU to do much in this case (in theory).
The EU is acting more and more like the old Soviet Union, working toward a ONE PARTY SYSTEM where dissent is crushed and silenced. If this continues, the EU will fall apart unless they convert back to the original founding principles of an economic alliance of sovereign states NOT a centralized, dictatorial body driven by progressive/leftist ideologies (which have been proven time after time to be a disaster for humanity and democracy).
@@januskaminsky5399 ...Which is why I said it needs to decide which it wants to be.
@@januskaminsky5399 how are LGBT rights a leftist ideology? LGBT rights are human rights, not some political discourse.
@@Admiral45-10 Which is why, I said the EU needs to decide how it want's to function. If it's just an alliance- a "club"- of sovereign countries, and one breaks the rules of the club they unfortunately needed a way to remove members. otherwise what really was the point?
"my country my rules" brilliant reminds me of "we want our country back".
"my country my rules. Your billions in funding"
@@derekscanlan4641 Except it's not so much nowadays, because we're about to become net payer into EU budget.
By the way, when it was agreed, EU was about common market and Shengen treaty. This is political justification of EU. Trying to push political ideology into the issue, esp. later is bait and switch.
@The Mutt with no Butt well eu should just stick to what it was a trading union why this bait and switch I to political one.
@The Mutt with no Butt I disagree, more and more countries are getting on the right side(see what I did there😉). Identity politics have set in. World is moving towards right. Countries that were right are getting far right, and the liberal ones are moving right. In pakistan they are going to elect a terrorist outfit as a leader of that country. Taliban in Afghanistan, Tories in uk, bjp I India, Denmark, even to certain degree France.
People are fed up of being told to what to do by the left and it's a good thing, their narrative is breaking because of internet.
Countries can form their colonies on Mars, mostly I think will be usa maybe uk to be the first. It doesn't necessarily needs to be one people one race hippie ideology. Because it's not working maybe in the future where there will be more maturity when the living standards are reasonably aligned with each other.
@@silentbob5566 - The EU have become expert at bait and switch - just look at the recent Istanbul Treaty which on the surface was about preventing the abuse of females but in reality was about completely redefining the meaning of a ‘woman’.
more probably Poland will kick out themselves
It will never do it. They know the monetary advantage that they have, they are not stupid
@@asimpleguy2730 Germany has an even bigger monetary advantage in Poland in the EU, so EU will not kick Poland out
@@maciekk3452 Money wasn't a reason for Germany to make concessions to UK. It is no reason to make concessions to Poland.
don't assume monetary advantages for Germany will protect Poland.
If you believe the ruling cringe cathosocialist party actually wants to leave the EU... you probably should consume less corporate media.
@@maciekk3452 No, not really. While obviously Germany benefits from additional 38 milion people market, it's definitely not "even bigger monetary advantage". Poland is still getting more EU funding than they are contributing, Germany's part of Polish economic exchange is way bigger than vice versa. German share of polish trade is ~21% import and ~27% export, while Polish part of German trade is ~5% import and export. I really have no idea how you think Germany needs Poland more than Poland needs Germany
Can you make a video about the recent pro-EU parliamentary election win in Moldova ??
Moldova is a battleground between Russia and the EU and there are Pro EU people who also want to unite with neighbouring Romania
As a Romania i feel like there will be a union soon. The president and the parliament are now pro-EU. From what I heard, Moldova needs 67 parliament votes for the union, while the pro-EU party has only 64 members in the parliament. With some negotiations between the parties or with a referenduum, in like 2 years there may be a union between Romania and Moldova. Moldova could be added to Romania or Romania could become a Federal State.
Anyways we all can see that Russia is losing control in the Eastern Europe and democracy is spreading.
@@denis_denis05 well, that not that simple like you think. Technically they can do it with 67 votes but if there will be a union - only through the referendum and despise the fact PAS got 52% of the votes, only 35% maximum want a union with Romania. Pro-EU party doesn’t mean Pro-Union. People of Moldova want democracy, good salaries and economy but not an union. In confirmation of my words: There was 2 pro-Union parties this election and they both combined got
@Simon B I never said that Romania will take over Moldova. No one wants to conquer the world these days (unless maybe Russia). As a Romanian I know a lot of Moldovians and we all agree that we should unite. Moldova lacks resources and is highly influenced by Russia. There's 2 options for Moldova to keep distance from the Russian sphere of influence :
1.Join the EU (very unlikely as Moldova is very undeveloped and has problems with Transnistria)
2.Join Romania
If Moldova wants to be free and still join Romania, then Romania could become a Federal State with Moldova as a province.
Also you shouldn't compare the Russia-Belarus relationship with the Romania-Moldova one. We speak the same language, we have the same traditions and history, the only thing Moldova lack is a stable economy. In a Ro-Md union, the minimum wage in Moldova will increase from 70€/month to like 300€/month. If Romania gets help from EU, the minimum wage could remain the same in the whole country (like 500€/month at the moment).
Only Transnistrians and Ukrainians living in Moldova don't want to unite with Romania. They're fearing of a forced integration to Romania which won't be the case. Every Russian/Ukrainian will gain rights just how the other minorities (Hungarians are a good example) have right now.
@Simon B pro eu won the election, by a landslide,i sware, you never put a women president, she just disolve the gouvernment, and changed them all 😂
Stay strong Poland! Please stay Polish. From a future British refugee to your nation.
Poland has nothing if they leave EU they will be come like Balkans Britain is great country and is to open the world
@Damian Skelton. It's odd you mention that. Sometimes you go to random places on vacation and meet tons of British refugees living there full time.
I was in a resort town called Fethiye for a short vacation and I was absolutely floored by the amount of Brits living there full time as refugees. Of course the Brits being the Brits prefer to use the term "expat." Still refugees none the less.
I wonder if this is a trend which will continue to accelerate going forward where any Brit with the financial wherewithal to do so will simply leave.
Wait, wasn't Brexit all you wanted? Now you wanna escape Brexit Britain?
@@TranceElevation I'm not sure if all these British migrants around the world have anything to do with Brexit, that trend was there before Brexit.
Staying in that crumbling union in the long term would have probably accelerated this process.
I'm not sure if saying in the Soviet Union 2.0 was the best of ideas for England.
@@williamdavis9562 Basically from your comment is sure that you're not sure.
For those who say kick them out/cut fundings:
Cutting the fundings would be like shooting their own feet. It would also make the automotive industry collapse in the west as these two countries produce a lot of parts.
Moving these German and French controlled companies elsewhere would be troublesome as other countries either don't have the cheap labour (Germany/Austria/France/etc.) Or lacking infrastructure (Romania/Bulgaria) Or they're too far away (Latvia/Lithuania).
Not to mention, that this would make Putin smile (prolly the UK as well). Idk know if the EU really wants some russian backed countries at the border of west Europe.
Tbh I want Poland to leave the EU. Oh yeah and dont forget germany isnt helping Poland with the ukraine crisis (the millions of Ukrainians that fled to poland) and on top of that Germany still owes Poland like 800 Billion dollars in war reperations for WW2.
Love how you mention Military intervention and was like well if the EU had a Military they could use that to force Poland to do what they want ( getting some 1939 feels right now)
Lol
@Adam Radecki sure genius sure it's 4th Reich yeaa.
@Luna / Nicolas Klatzer Did you vote for the President of the EC?
@Luna / Nicolas Klatzer germany was an elected democratic government until a certain democratically chosen chancellor changed things.
It shall last for a thousand years
EU treaties don't apply to judiciary, so the EUCJ has no power in this matter. That's what this conflict is about. The EUCJ tries to assume power that nobody has ever given them, and Poland said stop!
Poland won't be able to stop the eventual march to authoritarianism in the EU.
@@williamdavis9562 Perhaps not, we will see 🙂
@@damnedmadman My prediction is Poland will stay as long as it can but it will eventually leave the EU before the EU collapses under it's own weight like the Soviet Union did.
@@williamdavis9562 I hope so.
@Robert Kaevur Liberal doesn't always mean not authoritarian.
Look at the neo liberals in the United States. Probably the most authoritarian bunch this country has ever seen.
6:39 The greyed out text says that the EU is too poor to bribe them. I wouldn't be so sure of that.
EU doesn't have that much of spare cash to use. Most of it's money are "transfer money" taken from one place to be immediately divided to the participants of certain project.
@@_Konrad_ Then they just need to think up a project to lobby the Polish into submission.
@Ville Valste, I don't think you realize how cash strapped the EU is.
@@williamdavis9562 Yeah, I don't realize that at all, because EU has done so much QE during the pandemic, that they surely have a few millions to spare for a few Poles.
@@villevalste1888 EU has been strained by the pandemic just like any other nation which has printed or borrowed insane amounts of money.
If you think the EU has unlimited amounts of money, you're gravely mistaken.
The Polish Constitutional Court has only confirm that EU law has primacy over national law only in areas delegated competence. The transfer of competence by Member States does not mean that their sovereignty is lost to the EU. It is contrary to the Polish Constitution for EU institutions to extend their competence arbitrarily..
What’s the point of a constitution if it can be violated by an outside power? Especially for a country like Poland, which was ruled priorly from Moscow and Berlin.
What's the point of international treaty if one side can just say they do not abide the rules?
Poland, in exchange for EU membership and giant amount of cash, signed up that our laws can't contradict EU values and everyone with at least 2 braincells left sees that PiS and Rule of Law (and to lesser extent Freedom) don't go along well.
EU is right and Polish government should behave if they want to get the resources to navigate through post-pandemic crisis. Over 2/3 of Poles would tell you the same.
@@Rude_i_Wredne you know shit abouy poland. The porblem is that poland is trying to grow and had to remove german or post soviet politicians from positions.
@@endriu1201
and by putting ex-soviet attorney as a judge in Constitutional Tribunal? Don't make a laughing stock out of yourself
Why did EU invited/accepted Poland? They already knew its national laws...
Iirc, the US Articles of Confederation had the same issue with unanimity. You know what they did when not everybody would vote to amend? They created a whole new constitution that the Americans are still under today. And that constitution no longer required unanimity. Perhaps the EU should treat its current treaties as the Articles of Confederation and just create a new unified constitution that only requires majority for laws and 2/3 vote for amendments. Anyone who wants to join the new EU can apply (fast track for current members in good standing politically and financially). With that, perhaps a unified military, foreign, and fiscal policy would help the euro and end the issues of sovereign nations without sovereign currencies.
That's kinda depresing if you watch this from inside. I mean in the last few years Poland was becomonig more authoritarian and nationalist. At this point i think about leaving the country after I finish collage. As a non binary person I do not even feel like this place is my country.
You dont get lost you freak.
you would be welcome in Germany as far as im concerned (as a German)
Germany would be very happy to take you. You're always welcome
@@norten76 Yeah it surely does you're the best example
@@faber7507 "they said college not high school, it seems you lack the fundamentals of reading comprehension"
And college is not a school? Where did you learn English, may I ask?
By the way, he could not even spell college right, never mind the rest of his comment, which is written as if by a child who did not pay attention in guess what? School.
My Polish girlfriend told me that Poland is getting more sexist and harsh on Polish women as a whole which is very concerning
The ruling party is getting worse and worse. Lately they took random photos of zoophilia and pedophilia off the internet, showed them (censored) on public tv (which became their propaganda tube after the 2015 elections) and said that the immigrants on the east border are pedophiles, zoophiles etc.
then she is stupid, no offence
How can you create a union without a way to kick out unwanted members
They can kick them out
You can, you just need everyone else to agree. But this way of doing things was effective when the EU was 6-10 countries large, now it's just plain impossible
@@Brunjolf unanimity destroyed PLC and now it hurts EU too. 51% might be unfair in EU's circumstances but maybe we could agree on 2/3 or something with this kind of situations. I'm not even talking about kicking countries out. Just signing in new laws etc. Or just give more power to the parliament. Smaller countries should be happy then because they are crazily overrepresented there. Maltese or Slovenian citizens votes have like 5x the weight of german citizens vote.
@@ThePaciorr You indeed only need N-2 agreement out of N, as 2/3 still its problem in majority bully
@@ThePaciorr Except Malta or Slovenia have much smaller populations, so they do not have as much clout.
Poland can not and will not get kicked out.
"Creative" economic sanctions, sure. But as long as countries like Hungary, Poland, and to a lesser extent, Slovakia and Slovenia have formed a "block bloc" in the EU, the laws in play cannot allow for it.
"New Nationalism" (Brexit, Le Pen, AfD etc )have grown out of the frustration of the failure of the EU to stem the influence of a NeoLiberal agenda with corporations that have no social responsibility towards the societies they profit from.
it doesn't only have to do with economics but migration as well.
millions of non-Europeans with completely non-Western values live inside the EU. they don't assimilate and they have Islam.
not a greta recipe for success.
the EU doesn't care about human rights. of it did, the EU wouldn't make trade deals with the Middle East, China or Russia. everything is a joke.
@@LevisH21 "the EU doesn't care about human rights. of it did, the EU wouldn't make trade deals with the Middle East, China or Russia"
Governments shouldn't be involved in external affairs, they're elected to serve their own people, not people in different countries. Modern day politicians tend to forget that.
@@LevisH21 Polish people and racism are compatiable. I have seen why British people are sending you back to Poland.
@@kingsleykester8167 ??? lmao wanting to keep your country the way it has been for thousands of years is not racism you idiot...
@@kingsleykester8167 cus bri'ish people hate slavs
What is the EU anyway? A federal government that presides over vassal states? Not that it's a bad thing necessarily but I don't think the EU knows what it is.
It's a union of states with common policy enforced by multilateral treaties to which every member became a party to upon accession. It's in the name, and it's quite clear.
@@joaomelo7018 but isn't there some eu body that passes laws? Who controls the currency? How are these eu leaders elected? What about EU courts, are they supreme over all EU member state courts? What sovereignty is given up when joining the eu?
I don't think the EU name itself makes it clear at all how the bearucracy functions and how much power it has over a nation in the eu.
@@gothenmosph5151 as per the treaty of Rome:
1- The EU Parliament is elected in EU elections by the collective population of states, in proportion to the respective population of each country and utilizing the D'Hondt method for each individual national body
2- See above answer for EU parliament, as for the EU commission it can set executive guidelines too and is composed of the heads of government of each member state, yet because it's an indirectly elected body it can only enact directives which are "goals" every member state must follow with their own methods and any directive must pass with unanimity.
3- EU Courts such as the ECJ are indeed supreme over other local courts as per the Treaty of Paris except it's nothing special, all countries had to already be parties to the International Criminal Court and International Court of Justice prior to becoming members, which grants those courts supremacy over local legislation in matters of Human Rights and Dispute Resolution respectively, it's logical. Also, you can only appeal to any of these international courts be them EU or Global in the cases of dispute between states or of states against individuals. When it comes to disputes between individuals, national supreme courts are the highest you can go.
4- What sovereignty is given up is also quite clear, any and all that are unanimously agreed upon and formed into the treaties. There's countless elements that can be seen as "loss of sovereignty" of the nation-state from farming policy to bilateral border crossing. Although that concept is ridiculous, ultimately you're always free to leave like the UK did. But if you become an organ of a common body, it's normal that excising yourself economically, socially and politically will be extremely damaging.
@@gothenmosph5151 It's ok to have questions and ask for answers as it is to acknowledge one's ignorance but don't throw around these questions as if nobody knows the answers. It's like obsessing about "who built the pyramids". We do know.
@@LiviuGelea the questions themselves are a bit facetious and not meant to be taken completely literally. I was trying to make a point.
Do a video about russia, Germany and nored stream 2
They are Poland greatest allies you know
@Grzesiek T. It was a joke lol I know nothing about politics or allies
EU: Don't question my authority.
Poland: lol.
To me its simpel when you sign up to the EU you sign up to the ECJ. It's the basis for all corporation. If you challenge that, fine, just leave... Staying would be like playing on a football team where everyone follows its own rules. Insane.
Poland just play, EU have too much power to be ignored
@@summerfish9320 couldnt agree more
@@summerfish9320 poland leaving would continue the collapse of EU. After poland hungary would leave then maybe other countries. EU doesnt want to kick out Poland and Poland knows it so they are taking advantage of the situation
Has nothing to do with authority, but fullfilling contracts.
Just for the record, Germany is also contesting the primacy of EU law over national law.
The difference is Germans don't have the balls to fight for their freedom. They choose to stay chained to the EU no matter what.
no. its about a special case where they argue about who has the saying by the contract
@@sebastiangruenfeld141 nobody is forcing any country to stay in the union, as evident by the UK leaving. If you want to stay in the union, you have to play by its rules.
@@sebastiangruenfeld141 oh sure. Its not like Germany profits from being eus leader. They are chained in it against their will. Use your brain
@@DaxRaider My dude. German court says: "in case x we have authority, not you" is the exact same as the Polish court saying: "in case y, we have authority, not you". There is 0 difference. The reason people pretend there is, is that they like the German gov., while they dislike the Polish one (maybe for good reason, but that's beside the point). Plain and simple.
Currently it seems that the EU won't implode from within but from witheast
Poland and Hungary are getting going very far, if their own Nation is more important than the EU then why not do the same as the UK who because of that left the union? It's a choice to stay and it's a choice to leave
The commies in Spain are doing the exact same thing
Germany and France are constantly ignoring EU law.
So, what's your point?
They're never going to leave.
1/ Poland cannot afford to leave as they are the highest benefactor of EU with €11B more than double than Hungary in second place
2/ They would have to rely on Russia and Belorussia as their prime trade partners and then NATO membership will be in real danger.
Why would they leave exactly? They're going to have their cake and eat it and there's nothing the EU can do about it. If the EU wasn't a static nightmare then it wouldn't have these issues and the UK would still be a member state.
It's not for Poland. It gets too much money to leave, even the government is aware of that and many times tried to deny that it tries to pull Poland out of the EU. Also membership in the EU is still very popular in Poland and any referendum would probably go for staying in.
Very good Poland!
As an outsider I’m honestly surprised; I thought legal precedence issues were part of the accession treaties etc and not something to be left behind for later
It is. Poland is breaking their treaty obligations.
@PatchesRips Yeah exept no one is going to die to keep Poland in the union.
@@bentels5340 it is not true, treaty obligations clearly state, that matters of jurisdiction are the sole discretion of the member states.
@PatchesRips I don't think Poland really signed on to be part of a union that would become this authoritarian and centralized years down the road.
Poles are more sensitive to this type of thing than western Europeans. They lived under the Soviet Union. They don't want to be living under the Soviet Union 2.0. Again I'm fairly sure that isn't what they signed on for.
@@wikingagresor Any international treaty has supremacy over national law. Otherwise it would be useless. A county needs to stand by its commitments or face the consequences. An international tribunal arbitrates the application of the treaty and it is up to the other countries part of the treaty to enforce it.
Well, the EU rules are in fact international treaties. The ECJ is an international tribunal, and it is up to the rest of the EU to enforce the commitments Poland has committed to.
Well, about the primacy of EU law. This was never included in the treaties. It couldn't be, because then no government in Europe would have the power to enter the EU without changing its own Constitution.
This is actually very simple. Any treaty signed by a country must not conflict with the Constitution. That's because The Constitution reigns supreme. Below the Constitution are the treaties and below that are laws of the Parliament.
Now, the EU gains its power from the treaties. Therefore the very claim that Commission European or European Court of Justice reign supreme over any Constitutional Tribunal is absurd and based on nothing but a lie. The EU could never have such power without coming into conflict with the Constitutions of member states.
Essentially the EU is an international organization. But the officials of the EU act as if the EU was a superstate with legal power to overrule the laws of member states including The Constitution. And that more or less means creating forcefully The United States of Europe. But no country in Europe ever agreed to that.
The European Union as an international organization remains below the level of any Constitution because that the power level of the treaties that created the European Union in the first place.
Is it true than what was stated in the clip that Poland wants to not be bound by laws of the EU? Not at all! The EU law still reign supreme over laws of polish Parliament, at least in the areas relegated to the EU. Law and Justice party in Poland never ever questioned that fact.
But here we hit another snag. The EU law only reigns supreme over laws of polish Parliament in specific areas. The justice system was never included. Therefore the European Court of Justice formally has no power at all to judge whether a new reform of justice system in Poland is not in conflict with the EU laws. Poland never signed any treaty relegating the power over justice system to the EU.
So the european law still works. Just not in the areas excluded from EU control like justice system or ethics. And also The Constitution of Poland takes absolute priority.
Poland is a member of European Union, and not a slave state bound to do EU's bidding no matter what. The EU has no power to break the Constitution of Poland with european laws. And to arrive at that conclusion you merely need to know the hierarchy of sources of law and the way european laws are supposed to work.
Your second sentence is wrong.
International law generally overrules domestic law. And is generally just a compatible addition to a constitution..
@@wiczus6102 absolutly. Those countries spent through thick and thin and sweat to write their constitution and here you come and say " this is no good" . Who are you? Did you spend some meaningful time in those countries to know the need of their population? French people never say yes to european union.
Now we are invaded. Keep strong Poland!
@aɳoɳ キ I agree, the lack of enforcibility is a problem.
@@wiczus6102
Quite the opposite. International law NEVER overrules domestic law.
That's because The Constitution of every country clearly states that it reigns supreme, therefore no country can sign a treaty that states otherwise.
The treaties are being checked against The Constitution and not the other way around.
Therefore even if European Union brutally enforces its laws against what The Constitution of a member state says - what the UE does is still illegal. And this makes the EU a totalitarian regime ruling by force and not worthy of any respect. Which will eventually lead to the destruction of the EU itself.
Bringing back Tusk to make sure the PEOPLE vote in a way which is acceptable to the EU or make them keep voting until it is!..... The question is will Poland fold?
Respect for Poland 🇵🇱 from Moldova 🇲🇩
This is definitely a question that should have been answered during the admission process. Either that or the entire question is more nuanced than TL;DR makes it sound, probably the latter, they do cal themselves TL:DR.
1:50 If EU legal supremacy is not legal under the laws of a member state, that is a ticking time bomb which needs addressed. In order for it to stop being a serious risk, either the EU needs to stop pretending its members are still sovereign, or this question needs asked in every EU country and the underlying national law fixed if the answer is unfavorable.
2:30 In that quote, Kaleta is simply claiming that the treaties enumerate types of rules the EU can make and the EU cannot make rules that are not permitted by those treaties. The question of "is that in the scope of this treaty we signed?", is a question for the courts of the country that signed the treaty, not the organization created by the treaty.
4:30, and finally you go to the truly disastrous part of all this. The final answer was not "this is beyond the scope of the treaty" it was "the terms of the treaty are beyond the scope of what the polish government was allowed to sign". Right now, the polish government is using this to void individual line items from the treaties in essence, but there is nothing stopping the EU from saying that the treaty is void and Poland was never legally in the block so removing them is cleaning up a paperwork mistake rather than kicking them out. Similarly this leaves the polish government with the extreme option of leaving outside the rules of Section 20 because if the treaties were signed illegally, they are not actually in the EU.
The fact that admission to the EU does not require the highest court of a country to rule on the constitutionality of the treaties is a major oversight in the admission process. Treaties are necessarily singed under the authority of the constitution of the joining state, so any conflict leaves that constitution with the power to strike the deal retroactively.
Note: I do not actually expect either side to declare the entire process illegal and roll it back as described above. That is really just pointing out how broken this is.
@Trabber Shir
"1:50 If EU legal supremacy is not legal under the laws of a member state, that is a ticking time bomb which needs addressed. In order for it to stop being a serious risk, either the EU needs to stop pretending its members are still sovereign, or this question needs asked in every EU country and the underlying national law fixed if the answer is unfavorable. "
It is a requirement during the admission process for a prospective EU member to harmonize their national laws with the EU Charter. Nations are largely free to legislate as they want except in the areas where sovereignty is specifically ceded to the EU, and they are not permitted to go below the requirements of the European Charter on Human rights. EU members are still Sovereign because the EU can't force anybody to do anything, the Member State has a right to leave should they want to, as evidenced by the United Kingdom recently. Therfore Member States are still sovereign. They have however signed on to a treaty which they are obligated to follow.
"2:30 In that quote, Kaleta is simply claiming that the treaties enumerate types of rules the EU can make and the EU cannot make rules that are not permitted by those treaties. The question of "is that in the scope of this treaty we signed?", is a question for the courts of the country that signed the treaty, not the organization created by the treaty."
It is within the remit of the European COurt of Justice, this is specifically what it's for. However if Member States wants to asser their rights then they are wholly free to leave the Union
"The fact that admission to the EU does not require the highest court of a country to rule on the constitutionality of the treaties is a major oversight in the admission process. Treaties are necessarily singed under the authority of the constitution of the joining state, so any conflict leaves that constitution with the power to strike the deal retroactively." That is entirely up to national laws, there could be such a requirement in a Nations constitution, in which case that would have to happen. But barring such requirements the Government of a Nation is assumed to have the rights to sign treaties, and it is entirely on that Government to make sure that treaties are in compliance with National Law, if there are conflicts then EU law wins out and if the Member State doesn't like that then they can indeed Leave the Union, that choice is there for them to make should they choose to.
As a Brit.. listening to this "Waaaait... we could have just decided to ignore the EU laws and the only thing the EU could have done to oppose that is to create a law to throw out the UK, a law that would need unanimity from all member states INCLUDING THE UK."
We dun goofed mates, we dun goofed.
The UK wouldn't have been allowed to vote on the matter. However, you could have joined the "mutual defense treaty" that Poland and Hungary decided on. Any vote to kick Poland out will be vetoed by Hungary and vice versa.
@@CultureCrossed64 we just waiting til the german money in EU is out and then we are leaving ( think both )
Too late Brexiteers, too late😂
the "unanimity" clause wont apply because poland has hungary to back it up (and vice-versa). the uk was on its own.
@@CultureCrossed64 I wouldn't bet on it - Poland, as blue color on flag demonstates, has historically been unanimously wrong in selecting allies.
EU has no interest to kick Poland. Remember how EU fought to keep Greece no matter what the cost. There will be discussions of all sorts but as long as Poland wants to stay, they will remain.
Greece is in the Eurozone. Poland isn't.
@@jorge6207 True. Poland on the other hand is a solid industry nation. An important EU member for the future.
Greece wasn't an hostile occupant, Poland (and Hungary) are.
@@trthib From your point of view there might be very interesting times ahead. I still think EU is a pragmatic club.
@@tourbillon9617 Well, the situation is simple, Poland and Hungary disagree with the direction the EU is going.
BUT...because they are benefitting a lot by being in the EU (mostly economically, but there is some security too with the mutual defense clause), they don't want to leave and block the EU to move forward with the frequent use of their vetos...
You could summarize by saying that Poland and Hungary are taking the EU hostage which, added with the authoritarian turn they are taking, leads to the situation of many EU countries (governments & concerned citizens), just want them out as soon as possible and not to hear from them again...
It's actually pretty simple and fair considering the situation.
Whilst I disagree with many of Poland’s laws they recently passed, I can understand the notion of putting your countries own laws first.
Then don't sign up to a club and take its money if you want to follow your own rules.
Problem is that PiS wants that sweet-sweet EU money to build roads and rail-lines but doesn't want to follow the conditions for getting it.
@@mbogucki1 Firstly make sure there's the same living standard all across the EU, then we can discuss the same laws. EU is here primarily for trade and travel. It is continually attempting to grasp far more competence than it's supposed to have and pushback is on spot.
@@Gljdr What do living standards have to do with laws?
Also if all you want to do is trade and travel then leave the EU and stick to regular trade and 90 day visas.
@@mbogucki1 Everything. If you want to have more competence than government, you also need to have more responsibility. How come someone with no responsibility for living conditions whatsoever attempts to set laws regarding living conditions?
@@Gljdr EU has a set of principles (laws) which a nation signs up too in order to be a partner and receive financial benefits. Its like a trade agreement.
Poland is breaching that agreement. The end.
If Poland wants to set its own principles and laws fine. Don't be a part of the EU. 🤷♂
Taking mutual debt was also practically legally impossible. But as we've seen plenty of times, they do what they like to. If they want to get rid of Poland, they will find a way.
Worst case scenario, they’ll ask Russia for help in another partition.
Thats how everything works in politics. If enough "people" agree on something it becomes the new reality
hope so.
Well fingers crossed they find it soon. No need for emerging dictatorships in the EU. Hungary should get kicked right away too. And if Slovenia continues its course they should leave as well.
@@xellos5262 that seems to be a catch 22. Exclude them from the EU and make sure that the rule of law is broken down even further and cause more suffering amongst the population. Allow them to remain and the regime will keep doing what it does until actual consequences appear.
Top tip: if you're considering joining a PIS Party, maybe best say no... You know, I don't judge but it's guaranteed to get messy.
Yup, pissing on EU dictatorship.
@@gueviemoncor328 Ah, a fully paid up member I see! I just Googled "polish pis party", you guys are _really_ committed. You're the one with the medallion and hairy chest I assume.
@@gueviemoncor328the party that breaks the division of the goverment and the treaties the country signed on can’t really speak on what is considered “dictatorship”
@@davidmurphy563 I am not even polish so you missed the mark there. I just realize that the polish people were fed up being ruled by the Russian soviets and are not willing to be ruled by the EU socialists. I am just of the opinion the EU should restrict its scope to the economy union. The EU should reduce the risk of wars, not start them!
@@gueviemoncor328 Wars? Are you insane. It is simple. The EU has a very clear set of values. You either sign up to them or go out. Simple.
First : There is no such thing as "Europe Laws" There are only European Treaties signed by the countries.
Second : In that treaties Poland and other countries signed that some of the national laws will be delegated to be govern by EU and Europeen Comitee. And its excludes national laws of justice and national structure of justice, which is lately conquer by European Tribunal and European Parliament, despite they have no delegation to do that.
Third : Many countries and lately Poland do "check" Treaties in the light of national Constitiutions, check done by this national Consitiution Tribunals. Those were in Germany, Portugal, Spain, Irland and couple more. So not only Poland Challenged Treaties.
Fourth : Do you really want to kick out a coutry who has 23% export ratio to rest of EU, and has almost zero unemployement, almost 5% growth, still delivering more and more of cheap workers to western Europe and all of that despite pandemic situation????
Poland and Hungary have been overwhelmingly the biggest beneficiaries for years, it does not look like they'll stop, and they have been vocally critizising EU for years. Not to mention their constant problems with democracy. It seems that EU has enough reasons to not want them in. By Rough estimates, EU would have almost 2 times more money without those 2 countries.
@@minaolenella869 I want Russia to save Poland from the European Socialism.
Only problems with democracy here is that unelected EU bureaucrats have too much power and play game of little Napoleons and Hitlers.
Germans think that they can rule rest of Europe by money when they failed by military.
@@rexhdmapping680 poor brainwashed you. Do not remember what it was last time like under Russian occupation?
And only for Americans Socialism means something bad, so I guess you have no first hand experience.
very well said. EU can't kick anyone out, such law does not exist yet. Individual countries can leave EU if they decide to do so after referendum like in case of Brexit. In regards to European Treaties, I just checked text of Treaty of Lisbon and found articles that support what you said. Especially Article 2 B describing competences of EU. There are also related declarations (the treaty is a big document but easy to search pdf format): 17. Declaration concerning primacy, 18. Declaration in relation to the delimitation of competences, 24. Declaration concerning the legal personality of the European Union. Clearly EU is trying to usurp the competences never given to EU by the member states. I'm sure EU will keep trying to bully its member states - especially smaller member states for example by threats to block the allocated funds.
Poland can stand up for its self better without EU
To me this was one of the main reasons for the U.K. leaving the EU. A group of unelected people holding do an over all the countries. As much as the German case is of a lesser nature, the outcome is the same in reducing the power of the EU to interfere in countries law when they want without first changing any treaty.
Up until very recently the increase in power of the EU has not been challenged. The intentions behind Poland’s question of the power of the EU may not be very pleasant but it does lead to the question of who exactly is controlling it, it certainly isn’t it’s parliament and with this it doesn’t seem to be countries.
For me this should force out some sort of democracy within the EU, if in the same instance it forces Poland out, that could be the start of the end of the EU.
Good on poland. 🇬🇧
I wonder what business what Brits here?
Regardless if you agree on the reasons Poland is doing what it is, the concept that the EUCJ can be overturned is a much bigger issue. It seems brexit has emboldened a few other countries which are then showing the cracks in the EU. If the EU then decide to try and enforce rules using aggressive tactics, others will see this and it won't be good.
If agreements, i.e. treaties, aren't uphold, that too will become a huge problem.
EU is stupid idea to begin with.
@@piotrd.4850 why ? Most countries benefited from it , especially poland and Hungary who claim fo hate it lmao
Honestly people like poland and hungary are just doung what russia wants
@@devinbal9041 🤣
Hungary and Poland were not ready to join the EU back in 2004, and because of them, the Union got damaged. They should have never got in
If you are to respect a country as a country. It must be allowed to govern itself. It is very possible to be in a group with agreed rules and not be completely overshadowed by the group. But as the EU introduces more and more of its own rules and institutions to cover everything, we are essentially removing the actual power of a country's government and making them all representatives within the EU. For some, this is the goal. For others, it is not. But as a country is either in the EU or not, managing these different perspectives within a country is very difficult. The EU has to change if it is going to go down this route, because at some point the nimbys will come out and when there is the mix of pure EU vs anything else, concessions will need to be made and who makes them isn't going to end pretty.
Completely agree.
I agree, EU is trying to overreach.
i hear that the uk,s gdp is forecast to be 7.2 % in 2021 the highest out of all the g7 countries and even better than our own in the u.s.a. good luck to our british friends from the batman .
The british chambers said it would be 6,8%.
But the UK did lost almost 10% of GDP in 2020.
More than France who lost 8,3% and the insee forecast that the gdp will grow by more than 6%
And Germany is in even better position since they only lost 5% of GDP
the 7.2 % growth forecast for the u.k for 2021 came from the I.M .F based in washington u.s.a
@@lyampetit144 it is not so much about how much your gdp shrinks as this happens to all countries ,but more about how fast your gdp will recover and grow.
Well, if you're to dip 9% in 2020 you'd better recover 7.2% in 2021. What's that to do with whether you can get free EU money without following its rules? Also Romania is up 13% and hasn't had a dip in 2020
@@LiviuGelea what free e.u money would that be then ??? the e.u does not have any money, it only has what its member states contribute, and as most of them take take out more than they pay in, it is left to the biggest net payers to keep it going which is germany , ex u.k, and france , italy but after that the rest take out more which is why most of them are in the e.u in the first place , not that they believe in that failed socialist project but because they gain finacially from being in it, no wonder the e.u is begging 49 billion pounds from the u.k to keep up the pretence of this doomed union. regards the caped crusader.
The polish became more Irish than the Irish themselves.
@ShadowSamuel Lazy, drunk, ridicoulus, annoying, always aggressive - Although, Poland doesn't have hot redheads.
Only the drawbacks.
@@DaroriDerEinzige not funny
@@michakrynicki7299 You mean, not PiS approved?
Aaah, well ... They also hate the EU, but don't wanna leave - Because Money and so.
@@DaroriDerEinzige no i ment generlazing 38 milion pepole specialy if youre from a disgusting country like germany
@@DaroriDerEinzige 😀 good one
How quickly things have changed
And just like that, the EU proves why Brexit was politically justified; The Polish laws are not discriminatory if you read what the laws actually state, they make a very big clear difference between your sexual preference and what they define as LGBT activism. So what the EU is doing right now is forcing ideology onto Poland by repremanding Poland on it's own Laws. Poland is not breaking any EU laws, it's simply not following the trend of political activism that the EU approves of.
So any Pro-EU people out there take note, THIS is why I voted Brexit, Because the EU is using economic sanctions to push a political agenda onto a country, it's sovreignty is literally being challenged. If you people do agree to a strong EU system, then the system needs to acknowledge that all the countries within it are different and you should not expect every country to have the exact same political ideas.
Colors of the french flag symbolise FREEDOOM, FRATERNITY and EQUALITY.
Now tell me
if there is fraternity in the EU if Germany is building Nord Stream 2 with Russia when many countries protest (latvia, poland, lithuanie, estonie etc), ukraine is occuped..
if there is equality - in Eu two countries can decide on the rest of the countries but mainly one - Germany, in USSR also one country could decide on the rest of the countries.
if there is freedoom - polish govermeent was elected in demorrcatical elections and won 2 times this way and copies rules from other countries (mainly from Spain) and is getting punished hard
Je dis pas que j'aiderai pas , je dis que je n'aiderais pas ton pays si il réfléchis comme toi , si tu veux vraiment un union il y a les pays baltes mais la Lithuanie a de mauvais souvenir , il y a l'Allemagne ,ca peut passer on sait jamais et il ya les pays dans le bassin pannonien comme la hongrie avec qui vous vous entendez si bien et les pays de l'ex empire austro hongrois
The Polish government was democratically elected, but is now trying to destroy that very democracy.
2:00 It's Morawiecki
Vateusz
@@zyciowysmutek5496 Vateo
Kurwa nie mogę XD źle napisali
Good one
Stay strong Poland! 🇵🇱 all the best from Hungary!
How did you enjoy being part of the U.S.S.R. Trying to rule out wars is important
@@robertgalloway3771 huh?! 😒 who tf are you?!
@@oliver9541 just leave him mate, he up above is the one who thinks that Europe should bend over backwards and become a federalized United States of Europe....wasn't the EU suppose to be a trade bloc😑 why the hell should it have any say over other nations laws or governments.
@@robertgalloway3771 how does it feel supporting an ideology that endorses communism?
@@neko_3851Europe was never only for that , that was the coal community which preceded it not eu . European union is a union of European countries on the mixed values on social and economical issues , Poland just can't benefit from European unions money and then show a middle finger when it comes to agreeing to social values . You like it or not fact is without Poland in Europe and it's access to Europesn market it would remain a laggered state
Ultimate centrist take here
In my opinion, if EU law > national law, then the national constitutions might as well be thrown into an incinerator.
If EU law < national law, then the same goes for EU law.
The whole point of the EU is that its an coalition of equal states in a common economic union. The other states maintain their sovereignty. If the EU united it essentially means that Germany and France rule Europe.
@@justinpachi3707
Nothing lasts forever
Costitiutonal law > EU law > evry other law.
This Is how It works in my country (italy).
It look fine to me
@@thereita1052 define normal
@@freetime5803 law than Is not constitiutonal.
Evrything else.
(This Is regarding EU law we do have other structures than give hirearchyes to the law).
I love it how Merkel represents the EU in the thumbnail.
Germany number ..............
Wait no
They are the biggest contributing member so why not?
@@xXTheBennyXx They are basically in charge. Making up rules that everyone has to follow but don't follow themselves.
The EU is indeed the 4th reich
Merkel represents Germany inthe thumbnail lol. Also as to your other comment no Germany does not "run the EU". They are probably the most influential state, but not notably above France or formerly the UK and they cannot get their way alone.
Poland doesn't seem to understand that EU membership is a privilege not a right, you get the benefits of the EU but you need to give up certain things for those benefits. You can't only have the benefits and none of the drawbacks that's not how this works
Wow i didn’t know privilege could suck this much
Like the right to constitutional law, democratic government and a national identity?
@@OHYS So leave. Everybody will be happy to see you go.
@@bentels5340 I'm neither Polish nor Hungarian, but I'm pretty sure if they were to leave, everyone would be panicking. Imagine losing three countries over the course of a few years. It would make it even more painfully clear that the EU is a failed experiment
I hope it will! Cheers from Switzerland, amd crossing my fingers for PL from a proud non EU, but European country ;-)
@Sun Mackenzie exactly!
@@Matti_us_Alpe don't you think Switzerland would be better if it was in a position like the UK negotiated with the EU? I've read some news that Switzerland isn't happy with many things about the EU (despite not being in the EU). What part of Switzerland are you from? The German part of the French part? I've read somewhere that French Switzerland is all for EU integration, but German Switzerland don't agree with that.
@@adrian-4767 ofc not. Our government said that the negotiations were recently really conducted in a "take it or leave it manner" and the ministers involved are actually from the "French part". But the media which again have e.g German shareholders are criticising our government for it. I'm from the German part but the most "against" is perhaps the Italian part and of the cantons in the center. Everyone has this picture of EU that is nice and of good smell and no one can even imagine that you have often there people who where not chosen in a democratic way, public opinion know them little and can truly behave like colonialist thought USA or Russia.
@@adrian-4767 and on top on that there are little Swiss people who leave the country for EU. There are much more EU citizens who come to Switzerland to work and live... the most of them are Italians and GERMANS ;-) fun fact...
@@Matti_us_Alpe Is the Swiss population "generally" happy with EU citizens going to Switzerland to work and live? Because if you were in a position like the UK you wouldn't have to accept EU nationals to be able to work and live there (the UK manages its own borders and immigration now).
I'm laughing out loud watching this. Being polish and seeing how biased, one sided narrative is in all media, even on yt, reminds me that the colonial times never actually ended.
Pretty sure they did.
@@anothergermanmapper7754 they're not called colonies today but if you actually lived in one of those countries you'd understand the op
@@dindapwns
The Eastern European Nations sure aren’t Colonies.
@@anothergermanmapper7754 Come here and live with us for couple of years, then you may get it.
@@pawegraczyk6050
Ok.
Just so you know, it’s Not The West Fault That the Money you get From us is sacked by Corrupt Politicians depending where you are from.
Will the EU disband it's central bank for not following the rule of law?
It does follow the rule of law.
@@bentels5340 LOL!You either work for the ECB ormaybe you have a great sense of humor.
Noo, how dare you be an independent country and not go along with the union!!!!
Any international treaty has supremacy over national law. Otherwise it would be useless. A county needs to stand by its commitments or face the consequences. An international tribunal arbitrates the application of the treaty and it is up to the other countries part of the treaty to enforce it.
Well, the EU rules are in fact international treaties. The ECJ is an international tribunal, and it is up to the rest of the EU to enforce the commitments Poland has committed to.
"How dare u try and intervene with my homophobic laws" ~ Hungary
@@shlomoshlomo963 based hungary
@@scaveg1238 let me guess , u also think hitler was based
@@shlomoshlomo963 no?, what bullshit are you gonna say next, that im a fascist or something xd
One thing I've been noticing TLDR forgetting a lot is the EU's recently passed Law and Order, which does give the EU a way of restricting funds with only a QMV. Which means the EU could quite easily restricting Poland and Hungary's funds, a major reason for why they're in the EU, making it practically no different to getting kicked out.
Exactly
They want the sweet money which i find disgusting the eu is made of core Principles and everyone should follow it sure people like germany do fight it in legal battles but if the eu wins they concede wirh grave sadly hungary and poland are too ambitious and short sighted.
@@devinbal9041 wow you are disgusted at those poor black and Muslim people!? How dare you!
The conception of the European Union carries immorality. The obligations of the member countries should subscribe exclusively to the economic sphere. No to the destruction of the ethical, moral or religious values of each people. That is abuse and extortion.
I think it is immoral to ignore the rules you have committed to uphold.
That is Old fashioned bs. What you are referring to is something that existed for 30 years ago, when the poles were still driving Polski Fiats and alll men had a thick mustache. It’s called the “European Union” for an obvious reason.
@@TheLuis0087 he has a point European union is in origin an economical union, extending it on the sphere of the fabric of a society is violence. All ways of life are old fashionaded bullshit if you think about it, even the brainless push for "progress" in spite of logic or reason.
@@MyDenis0 Try to reason with a leftie. Good luck with that.
@@2serveand2protect try to reason with a rightie , good luck with that ( personally met very few who can be reasoned with)
There isn't a problem when national courts check whether the new rules or behavior complies with the national constitution. The EU never replaced any national constitution and the interpretation of them was never given to the ECJ. However when they rule against the law this has to mean that the Country has to negotiate changes because the country is bound by the decision not the EU or any other member state. When the court rules that the fundamental principle (the supremacy of EU law) is against the constitution this would mean that the country could be forced by the national law to trigger article 50. Ironically enough the EU can sanction States that are in breach of their supreme courts, so the EU could sanction Poland until they trigger article 50 if their court demands it. This would be surreal and it wouldn't happen but the possibility is still kind of wired.
Except that:
0. The EU has supremacy in the areas designated by the treaties.
1. Upon accession, all national laws have to comply to EU law in those same areas (including constitutions).
2. Member states cannot adopt laws that contradict EU law due to being bound by the treaties.
3. The area of EU acquis cannot expand for all the member states without agreement of all the member states so constitutional issues have to be sorted out before the area of authority is expanded.
The biggest problem is that parties like PIS and Fidesz are changing their own countries constitution, in a less democratic direction.
@@bentels5340
Be it Germany, Poland, Hungary and so on all those constitutional laws that say national laws are above any international ones already existed for years when EU was created.
Its not like they were created in last few years or anything. Or that EU didn't know about them when allowing more countries in.
@@rowaystarco Don't know about Fidesz but PIS never changed Polish constitution. They never had enough votes to do it.
@@CzornyLisek That's not the point. It is the responsibility of the joining state to adopt the acquis communautaire and then to stay within it, not the responsibility of the EU to adapt to the joining state.
Polish workers contribute a lot to the economies of many European countries, this is why you can’t simply “kick out” poland. Germany knows this well, as its economy is propped up by Polish workers. It’s a complicated issue, one that is never addressed in either these videos or the comment section. There’s no easy solution.
Poland leaving the EU doesn't stop polish people working in the EU. Countries like Germany can just give out visas. In the end if Poland and Hungary wont back down EU funding will be cut. This has already started
Polish workers who have legally entered another EU country and have settled there will not be thrown out. They might have to do a queue to renovate their papers but that will be all, if at all.
You should also take into acount the gruge some people have towards poland. In France Poland is seen by many people as teh country where their job went and their factory was relocated. The right uses it to fuel anti EU sentiment but it could also evolve into a wish to punish poland whenever an ocasion apears
EU Budget 2018: Poland was the biggest monetary benefactor from the EU, coming out with 11.6 billion euros earned, far ahead of Hungary (5 billion Euros) and Greece (3.2 billion Euros).
I see no voluntary exits here. Lets not forget every country entered EU membership voluntarily, and had years to prepare - and read the treaties and understand the consequences. To me it looks more like "Give us money and then stfu and sod off". I doubt the sustainability of that.
Yep, thats exactly what our current government is doing. Just 3-4 more yars of that, hopefully.
1. threaties since Poland joined were changed a couple of times, EU thinks its the one way road and they decide which way
2. money Poland got from EU *IS NOT FREE* we have to pay it back by a multidude of ways
3. biggest beneficiary are western companies that make money on programes and investments, most of money invested goes STRAGIHT back to german companies
in short - EU funds are a investment program for western comanies and countries, not a charity
dont be ignorant and naive that anyone gives money to Poland 'just because'
Can't say it doesn't work if they get the most money
@@VforArt 1. All decisions in the EU are made by the european council, made up from the governments of the 27 EU members you voted for, and by the european parliment where you are represented by MEP´s you voted for.
"The EU" decides nothing, never has. The EU is an international organisation under full control of its 27 members.
2. Explain which ways. Explain in which way all these investments, all the factories build, all the jobs created, all the wages earned because poland is an EU member is a disadvantage. If there is one country which has benefitted from being in the single market its poland.
3. see 2.
Who is ignorant and naive here? But well, if being in the EU is so bad for poland, good bye. There are enough eastern countrys waiting to take the investments.
What utter rubbish.
@@adtastic1533 Seems that way. I am wondering for how much longer if they keep going that path. Hungary too.
It is a war of two concepts - the European superstate and the original EEC. Most eastern european countries have joined the EU for financial reasons, not because they believe in the EU's 'core values', things which I doubt were ever discussed prior to them joining. This is about EU supremacy - do you want to be in a single superstate or not. EU member states have a range of cultures, with western european thought dominating. Politicians can force their people to submit against their will for a time, but these hegemonic structures are inherently unstable and eventually the EU will have to move back to an EEC model or it will fracture.
Poland and Hungary can get out of EU and join EFTA, and yes, these people now don't know what they signed before.
yup, however no "rebel" EU country wants to also currently leave the EU as that would mean leaving the single market and get completely shafted economically
Looking at the USA, they can probably survive like 300 years at least. Also, what the EU is enforcing isn’t a superstate, it’s basic rules to maintain democracy. Poland signed off on those treaties from the beginning, so they can’t break them now. And while yes, at the beginning the only real thing was the EEC concept, even then the mission of the EU was to spread democracy and peace(and it was quite successful I must say).
Sure they may wanted to join for economic growth but if they joined the EU they must respect its laws and treaties.
When you join the EU you also sign up to a secondary mission of making the EU more integrated. So yes, it’s going in the direction of a “superstate” (though there are countries already that have more military & economic power as well as more land, Europe is quite small) it’s supposed to be going in the direction of a superstate. If you don’t like that LEAVE. For gods sake no ones keeping any country inside the EU.
@@awwastor Are there still people denying that the EU's ultimate goal is a superstate? I'm not expert enough to comment on the legality of what Poland is doing but their interpretation clearly is that they have the right to do it.
@@cdeford it may be their interpretation, but they don’t. They can leave the EU and do whatever they want, but they signed treaties stating that EU law has authority over national law, as long as they’re in the EU. So What the tribunal said is those treaties break the constitution, years after they’ve been signed. The constitutional tribunal is a bunch of puppets, and they rule however PiS wants, because the way the current members of the constitutional court got their positions, was breaking the constitution.
No matter if you think the EU should become a superstate, what Poland did wasn’t legal. And no, Poland wasn’t manipulated into signing those treaties for economic growth, because it was an option for Poland to join the EEA, and even the EU, without signing the previously mentioned treaties.
The EU might need some reforms, but I'm an American so I have no say in this matter. This is something that EU citizens need to figure out for themselves.
Lol, might!!
@Ararune You get to vote in elections both nationally and the EU level, so you certainly have a say in it. Way more then people outside the EU for sure.
its the same problem as we have here in UK
the system was build based on the idea that participants would be decent enough to play by the rules...
@Ararune Oh you mean the matter where the various nations decided to mostly not give the EU any powers to communicate on matters directly? There's a reason they haven't for instance funded some kind of pan EU television station after all.
One could blame the EU for that, but it's kind of silly, the participating nations just didn't want it to be able to do that.
Also direct democracy is a red herring, that exists pretty much nowhere. The EU is like many places a representative democracy, there are a few minus points where I think its democracy is a bit deficient. But your lines are a vast exaggeration of the situation. The EU representatives are very well known, for the minister of councils it is the own countries ministers for instance, like people wouldn't know those. And the EU parliament one has their names written, if you don't know those, you literally didn't bother to know them.
That's the problem dear American. The EU citizens have no say. There is no mention of its citizens having any say. The EU is a bloated bureaucracy.
I think the problem is much, much deeper. When I was in school I remember that I was taught that Polish Constitution is absolutely primary law creating document, then followed by inter-national deals and then other documents. Constitution controls how international deals are meant to be signed and interact with domestic law.
I think EU leaders are trying to gather power to create any law at levels of countries, meanwhile not giving a f about creating real international solidarity. We could spectate that at the beginning of the pandemic, when countries battled for supplies.
I'm from Poland, hopefully yes.
Come on Poland you can't be Anti-Russia and Anti-EU your history shows you can't fight both of them
Yeah because Nazis were pro EU
@@guitarstring109 well they both want to rule Europe just in a very very different way
now we're also anti-USA so whatever
PiS is being anti Russia and anti EU to be super pro Vatican
Which might work...back in the 1400s
@@RADIZ2013 poland will be ruled by poles
So, I’m a Canadian and this just seems insane to me. Why would Poland, Hungary, or any other country respect EU law over it’s own laws? What’s the incentive? Why does Europe need to grow ever more integrated? Why not co operate as sovereign nations and leave it at that? This drive for ever further integration is going to doom the whole project and leave everyone worse off.
Europe divided is completely unable to deal with external threats. The refugee crisis, Libya, Syria, yugo wars, crimea, increasingly assertive Russia and China, and most importantly a less and less reliable USA. These are pushing european countries to work together politically or become a playground for larger powers.
@@julemanden32199 Europeans are good at organization. There would be no EU if there was no need for it. Since there is, they put their differences and nationalism aside.
I am Polish and I am waiting for PolExit
Go to Belarus.
go on, putin is waiting with open arms
Thanks for covering the topic, very eductional.
No country will be 'kicked out of the EU', no matter how much you Brits would like that to happen and see the EU weakened.
Stop with this nonsense!
Deth to the cancer that is the eu
they won't be kicked out, because the EU is weak enough already with hardly any friends or power, but what will happen is divergence where the EU becomes even more impotent until it's self implodes, which will be a glorious day , actual freedom for Europe and it's people.
The EU is trash
@@lucaswallo8127 You are just full of envy
@@florinaplaveti7087 Envy over what
What is EU's law? Are UE's institutions competent to foster their competences-competences? There are national constitutional courts which are supposed control distribution of power.
Any international treaty has supremacy over national law. Otherwise it would be useless. A county needs to stand by its commitments or face the consequences. An international tribunal arbitrates the application of the treaty and it is up to the other countries part of the treaty to enforce it.
Well, the EU rules are in fact international treaties. The ECJ is an international tribunal, and it is up to the rest of the EU to enforce the commitments Poland has committed to.
kicked out probably not, less Eu funding definitely
you know you can make a parallel EU with 25 members and repeal all them in the new EU, defactoly kicking troublemaker poland and hungary
Well, if they reduce the funds to Poland they can sue EU for unfair competition and for abuse of dominant position !!, LOL the EU is a joke of a dictatorship.
@@gueviemoncor328 you are only joke here
@@gueviemoncor328 yeah of course. Poland against the whole EU. I really wonder who would win 🙄
@@gueviemoncor328 no Poland broke the rules of the eu, don’t join unless ur willing to follow the principles
Used to be a history, political science teacher in high school, poland. Anyone who cares a bit about this country would fully support EU in this matter. Polish conservative government wiped his ass with polish constitution, starting in 2016, they still keep doing it. Poland should receive fuck all from EU, until they restore the independent justice system
The EU is expansionist by its very nature it looks to absorb neighbouring states at every opportunity. It will not kick out 2 functional countries with relatively large economies
While Poland does represent 3% of the EU GDP, Hungary is only 1%. Furthermore they are the two biggest net beneficiaries of the EU. While excluding Poland would hurt a bit, in the long run it’s not that important for the EU economy. Compare it to the UK which was on its own around 17% of the EU GDP.
@@TheLokiel Its the symbolic nature of dominos falling that they would desperately wish to avoid.
@@christopherdickinson9265 yes but it’s not a matter of the size of the economy or the expansionist nature of the EU. The reason the EU tries not to get to the point of exclusion is not because of who Poland and Hungary are and what they bring to the table. It’s a matter of keeping cohesion to prevent people from wanting to leave. But if Hungary and Poland gets bad enough and keeping them actually harms cohesion (and we are becoming very close to that) the EU will cut ties with them.
@@TheLokiel Now explain me how in legal way EU can cut off Poland and Hungary ? , only way is UK way referendum in Poland , and Poles will vote for staying in EU , so EU is screwed , need to evolve of stop to exist .
Well done Poland 👏. Defend your sovereignty! 🇵🇱
Well don Poland, prove to yhe world your word isn't worth the toilet paper it's written on.
Poland be strong! Respect common sense!
You only speak about Poland when you want to call us out for "breaking EU law". You never talk about topics and disputes in our politics, but you do that when it comes to countries from north west of EU - Netherland, France, Belgium, Germany.
In 2004 our constitutional tribunal already decided on this matter. He stated that EU law and polish internal law are two different systems of law amd that we should always interpret EU law as something that is compatible with polish law BUT if some EU law is totally incompatible with our constitution, our constitution, as supreme law of this country, is more important, and in order to get put of this problem we should
A)ask EU to change EU law in order to be compatible with our constitution
B) try to change our constitution
C) "nuclear option" if A) and B) is not possible, in order to secure rule of law over our country, we must get out of EU.
Moreover, this ruling, made in 2004, is directly based on simmilar ruling by Constitutional Court of Germany.
Please do something other about Poland, say something about our political landscape etc. It is a shame that you only speak about countries that came to EU in 2004 only when western countries are mad about them.
Well with Brexit we know how a country leaves voluntarily. So how does expulsion from the EU work.
Idk, maybe Article 13 the copyright law will influence Polish internet users
it doesnt. you cannot expel a member state. at least the UK left voluntarily when they wanted to diverge from EU laws
@@itemushmush Wait, it doesn't. Have you got any proof that my statement isn't the case?
@@itemushmush Well than, Brussels, we have a problem.
@@itemushmush This is the EU we're talking about here. If they really want to do something, they'll simply change the law or find a way to bypass it.
Since even Germany is fighting the EU, and how much the euro has fallen, I'm worried about how much longer the EU can even exist. I didn't think it was a robust system when it first started but was hopeful. But now that the UK has left, Germany is being sued, Hungary (who should've never been included anyway) is fighting, Poland actively trying to get out, France's continued push toward Le Pen's Populism, and the EU's failure to recognize Montenegro and Kosovo, my hope that the EU stays together looks very very dim.
The Euro was frankly a terrible idea that should have never been implemented. Its frankly got none of the flexibility or the means needed to actually act as a European-wide currency as different states have their own economic needs and interests.
Good. Let this experiment end before it deals even more damage to Europeans.
Germany will never leave the EU. The German people have been indoctrinated by leftist media for decades already. They really think without the EU, there would have been war between European countries again. They fail to realize that it's not the EU that brought peace to Europe but 2 disastrous world wars, NATO and WMDs.
@Influence08 it wouldn't work, members of progressive pan-European movements would themselves admit that the thing which could easily kill this project is a culture war, but admitting it goes against their agenda :-)
Kosovo isn't a country. As a Montenegrin, I am less enthusiastic over EU. They basically don't allow us to govern ourselves, bring our own laws, nor arrest criminals and mafia within our government. I'm sorry, but If that is the EU, then we don't want to be in it.
It's very simple: either you accept the super-national law or you're out, standing by your own with your national laws.
I guess the Eu is doomed then.
@@TheSlyngel why?
@Ararune 😂 I don't know where you got this perception that the western block would like to screw us, but even if this would be the case, „most of the union”, as you say, has always the freedom to dismember itself at anytime if they don't like the terms and conditions.
@Ararune Most of the union actually wants to form a bloc. EU15 worked just fine. If eastern europe doesn't want to work for a common development, I can understand it but why enter the EU in the first place ? (and I know the answer is simple : money).
@Ararune That is not naive. On average, Pro-EU parties perform better in elections than anti-EU parties. Many populist parties have even changed their anti-EU stance by fear of losing votes (ex : FN in France). Wether you like it or not, the vast majority of people like the EU :)
No, eu cant kick out coutries, coutries can only leave themselves
No because they’ll call Germany nazis. Then Poland will leave by itself.
Cause germany = nazis ...