@@MrTopconwhat do you mean by direct fit? If your tilt rotator has a built in rotation sensor it should connect directly to Topcon through CAN connection. I have a rototilt on a wet coupler and we ran the can connection of the tilt sensor right through the electrical connection of the main rototilt coupler and the rotation sensor is built in so when I drop the rotator it automatically disconnects everything without having to separate wires.
@@MCBuildNH by direct fit means the hitch is pinned to the stick compared to their being another quick coupler so you can remove the rotator, some of these can be optioned with SQ or EC oil quick disconnect. Most rotators have the rotation sensor in them (some governed by size) which sends rotation information back to the machine control however you may need to fit an IMU to register the hitch tilt position. Some Rotators now have IMUs fitted that machine control systems may be able to use.
Mr Topcon - plus one on your content - we love the vids! You mention eliminating the bucket sensor if you have a tilt bucket via a hitch sensor. Say I have a permanent tilt bucket with no rotate. How are you able to get through the calibration application without the dogbone sensor. The calibration app makes us always shoot the dogbone TSi4. Thanks!
Hi Michael, to get through calibration you simply don’t tick “dog bone sensor” as the option. The machine calibrates the geometry then you add in buckets/tilt hitches within 3DMC itself. We would setup a standard hitch then add a Tilt bucket to this and all should be well
Thanks for creating these videos. Could you tell me (and maybe show in a future video) what the procedure is if the LN-150 looses sight of the prism? An example would be if you spin the excavator around and the boom interrupts the ln-150 to prism line-of-sight.
Hi Eric , no worries will do but in the meantime there are “find me here” on the plan search view along with turn total station controls. There will be options to set “home positions” so you can have it turn to there which can be updated as you move around the site. Loosing the prism due to rotation doesn’t seem to be an issue if it’s positioned correctly, elevated and far from centre of rotation.
The LN 150 goes into an auto search pattern. As of right now you can’t modify the search pattern but it does function ok if you don’t move and wait for it to re connect. Otherwise you can control it from the screen to your general location and start a search pattern.
Mr. Topcon, Sorry to ask you more questions but you really know your stuff! 1. I was told with a tilt rotator head (tilt sensor) that I still need the dog bone sensor. 2. With a tiltrotator head is it a complicated process to add new buckets or work tools? I was told that you have to treat it like a new tilt rotator install for each work tool.
No worries Eric - this should assist. 1) you need a dog bone sensor if you are running a sandwich rotator setup ie. you can remove the rotator and put buckets onto the quick hitch and still need one in the rotator (some exceptions to this as maybe able to use factory sensor) However if it direct mounted you do not require a dog bone sensor and it will be mounted into the hitch. 2) The new generation of Topcon MC max and MC Mobile systems calibrate the specific hitch (rotator, tilting or quick) to the machine - once this is done at install adding buckets is a very simple process. If you’re adding a tilting bucket it’s a bit more involved as it will have an additional sensor.
Mr Topcon explain most of it. I have a sandwiched setup so I have a dog bone sensor. And like he said, once a rotator is calibrated you can just calibrate buckets like normal selecting that it will be on a rotator.
Yup, indicate excavator but CTL box/grader blades are auto. If you want auto excavator then it’s the MC-Max solutions line, there is another video showing the differences
Best explanation of mc mobile I have seen. Will mc mobile work with a tilt rotator?
Yes! MC-Mobile works with an Tilt via an extra TS-i4 sensor, Tiltrotator (Major brands) and an Engcon V2 sensor configuration.
Yup what he said, if it’s a direct fit tilt rotator then a 5th sensor isn’t required
@@MrTopconwhat do you mean by direct fit?
If your tilt rotator has a built in rotation sensor it should connect directly to Topcon through CAN connection. I have a rototilt on a wet coupler and we ran the can connection of the tilt sensor right through the electrical connection of the main rototilt coupler and the rotation sensor is built in so when I drop the rotator it automatically disconnects everything without having to separate wires.
Yes
@@MCBuildNH by direct fit means the hitch is pinned to the stick compared to their being another quick coupler so you can remove the rotator, some of these can be optioned with SQ or EC oil quick disconnect.
Most rotators have the rotation sensor in them (some governed by size) which sends rotation information back to the machine control however you may need to fit an IMU to register the hitch tilt position. Some Rotators now have IMUs fitted that machine control systems may be able to use.
Mr Topcon - plus one on your content - we love the vids! You mention eliminating the bucket sensor if you have a tilt bucket via a hitch sensor. Say I have a permanent tilt bucket with no rotate. How are you able to get through the calibration application without the dogbone sensor. The calibration app makes us always shoot the dogbone TSi4.
Thanks!
Hi Michael, to get through calibration you simply don’t tick “dog bone sensor” as the option. The machine calibrates the geometry then you add in buckets/tilt hitches within 3DMC itself. We would setup a standard hitch then add a Tilt bucket to this and all should be well
Thanks for creating these videos. Could you tell me (and maybe show in a future video) what the procedure is if the LN-150 looses sight of the prism? An example would be if you spin the excavator around and the boom interrupts the ln-150 to prism line-of-sight.
Hi Eric , no worries will do but in the meantime there are “find me here” on the plan search view along with turn total station controls. There will be options to set “home positions” so you can have it turn to there which can be updated as you move around the site.
Loosing the prism due to rotation doesn’t seem to be an issue if it’s positioned correctly, elevated and far from centre of rotation.
The LN 150 goes into an auto search pattern. As of right now you can’t modify the search pattern but it does function ok if you don’t move and wait for it to re connect. Otherwise you can control it from the screen to your general location and start a search pattern.
Mr. Topcon,
Sorry to ask you more questions but you really know your stuff!
1. I was told with a tilt rotator head (tilt sensor) that I still need the dog bone sensor.
2. With a tiltrotator head is it a complicated process to add new buckets or work tools? I was told that you have to treat it like a new tilt rotator install for each work tool.
No worries Eric - this should assist.
1) you need a dog bone sensor if you are running a sandwich rotator setup ie. you can remove the rotator and put buckets onto the quick hitch and still need one in the rotator (some exceptions to this as maybe able to use factory sensor)
However if it direct mounted you do not require a dog bone sensor and it will be mounted into the hitch.
2) The new generation of Topcon MC max and MC Mobile systems calibrate the specific hitch (rotator, tilting or quick) to the machine - once this is done at install adding buckets is a very simple process. If you’re adding a tilting bucket it’s a bit more involved as it will have an additional sensor.
Mr Topcon explain most of it. I have a sandwiched setup so I have a dog bone sensor.
And like he said, once a rotator is calibrated you can just calibrate buckets like normal selecting that it will be on a rotator.
Hey good idea with the swing boom sensor. Where did you order the 90 degree turck connectors from? I can't seem to find them
I’m not 100% sure sorry, they may have come from Turck supplier directly. I have seen cables with 90 degree connector on the end as well
Does system cost more than machine it self?
This example would due to the size of the machine but typically people are fitting this system to machines 5.5T to 15T
Is this an indicate only?
Yup, indicate excavator but CTL box/grader blades are auto. If you want auto excavator then it’s the MC-Max solutions line, there is another video showing the differences