Frasier & Sitcoms of the Gay '90s
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Is there any show more perfectly suited for a gay '90s romp than Frasier? When the show the first premiered, television often treated gay characters as a source of fear. But by the time Frasier was in its final season, lots of sitcoms were having a gay old time.
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I was outed in 80s, told I would die from AIDS and beat up in locker room. My first boyfriend in mid 90s was painfully closeted. Thankfully so much has improved to help us lead happier lives.
I keep saying I'm so glad I went to art school back then, but there was still a lot of problems. 1980 or so, I remember one of my friends coming to me in a panic, "Did you know X was gay?" Well, considering I'd already slept with him... yes, yes I did. I still didn't show my own trans identity. Heck, I barely knew what it meant... long story... long story... happy today, though.
@@ChristyAbbey so glad you made it through too. We are truly living through an historic period in society.
@@tjmichael8773 Thank deity for the internet. I'm glad you made it through, too. The battle goes on for both of us, but it's so much easier knowing there are allies out there.
Thank you for your strength and bravery. It's people like you who have made things possible for the new generation.
@@possumhead2812 I'm very impressed seeing the younger generations also being so courageous and brave.
“Tom’s not gay,”
“Well he seems to be under that impression.”
That’s such a great line.
i don´t get it
And delivered perfectly by David Hyde Pierce. That man has been criminally under-utilized since Frasier went off the air.
@@nickspeelman9174 Actually, a Frasier reboot is possible, Kelsey Grammar is interested in coming back. I can't wait.
@@DarkPhoenixSaga I've heard that. John Mahoney's absence would be a big hole, but I'll watch Kelsey Grammer and David Hyde Pierce play off each other any time
@@nickspeelman9174 Yeah, it'll be different without him. I figure Nile's son will be a teenager and a lot like his grandfather. So imagine Niles having to go to a sporting event to see his son play lol.
my favorite catchphrase of the 90s is "its the 90s"
I want to bring that catchphrase back now
My favorite catchphrase of 2021 is “your honor, I’m not a cat”
YEEEESSSSSSSSS
I've revived it as: "It's the 21st Century!"
@@ScribblebytesWorldwide brilliant
The fact Frasier is still being talked about to this day puts a smile on my face
I would prefer it to Friends
It is the perfect sitcom. It's essentially a stageplay. You could adapt it as such and still have the same effect. It's clever, but in it's set ups and wordplay double entenres etc. Not condescending which from someone who hasn't seen the show assumes it is. It's just funny and chicken soup with a hint of cayenne pepper for a long day at work.
@@CripplingDuality nooo
It's so good. Intellectual humor with great storylines. I never really enjoyed friends. Its overrated
Me and my brother rewatch the series at the end of every years. I was a child when it was running so I like it cause was the only thing on and the music. But as an adult now there is some gold I feel should be talked about more.
I feel like Frasier had so many gay positive episodes was because like half the cast is gay IRL.
There really were a lot of LGBTQ people on that show -- both on screen and working behind the scenes.
RIP Marty Crane.
Also David Hyde Piece was my first crush. That episode where he does the whole fencing thing? Oof.
@@MattBaume Yes! Read Joe Keenan's books.
@@ccdaly2561 In the 90s (when I was in my 20s) I saw Dan Butler do a one-man show about coming out and have been hooked on "daddies" ever since.
@@alfcab I completely understand and agree
The whole Ski Lodge episode is great but Frasier’s last line is absolutely perfect.
Frasier: Let me see if I can get this straight. All the lust coursing through this lodge tonight, all the hormones virtually ricocheting off the walls. And no one was chasing me? . . . See you at breakfast. (Leaves angrily)
Frasier’s not mad at Guy for being gay. He’s mad that Guy was attracted to Niles and not him.
"And... NO ONE... was chasing meeeeeeeee?"
Such a good episode!!
I'm not gay gee. best line in a fantastic episode
Well he did land Patrick Stewart and that's one heck of a catch.
@@hdofu no one Lands Sir Patrick Stewart he plunders and leaves like a Pirate king. Because no one can capture the Unicorn
I’ll just say that growing up gay in the ‘90’s every tiny little representation felt so precious.
The same was true being out and in my 20's
Yep. Even though they weren't always positive representations, I gobbled up all I could. That kiss on Melrose Place. The comedy of errors that was Frasier. Ellen, for better or worse. Never knew about the Married With Children episode. All the while "passing" in the closet in high school.
Why does having a gay person on TV even matter. It makes no difference to me if there's anyone gay on a programme or not.
Extremely true
Frasier was missing out Tom was hot
Ikr?!
Hella
He was charming and successful, still don't want to smooch with him.
Right? They would have made a handsome couple.
Most men and all women are too good for Frasier
The gay positivity of Fraser is one of the main reasons why I’ve watched the series well over 25 times on Netflix
It's a great show. The absurdity and the masterful set up and payoff is second to none
25? Let’s just say 50 😅
"every day is lesbian lover day!" is the greatest thing to ever come out of ross geller's mouth
And the only good thing...
I definitely need that on a t shirt
Here here
I've never understood the freakout about having a gay guy be interested in you, as a straight guy. I've had it happen to me multiple times when I was in my 20s, and it really wasn't a big deal. It wasn't any different than having a girl I wasn't interested in ask me out. I just would politely decline, say "Thanks but I'm not gay.", and that would be it. As the first Frasier episode illustrates, it's a pretty easy thing to defuse when there is some miscommunication.
When I was still religious,
closed-minded, and taught that homosexuality was wrong, it probably would have bothered me. Now I would welcome it as a nice confidence booster and get a chuckle out of it.
I'm so glad I got out and saw more of the world. It's so much more enjoyable without the prison of a closed mind.
Different place have different culture, socio-structure, upbringing, etc. Places where education on sexual orientation is still confusing; homophobia is a normal thing to have in the minds of the youngsters.
@@budle89 Yes I am aware of the mindset of it, I've lived my whole life in Alabama, so I'm very familiar with backward thinking. I just don't understand it. Perhaps it would be better to say the reaction most commonly associated with it, the gay panic response, just baffles me.
@@happyninja42 well, in many places. People actually believe that gayness spread. Curable and stuff. Some of the closeted were afraid they'd got "converted" because deep down, there's temptation for liking people of the same sex.
I kinda get why some ppl would freak out I would freak at it if it was out of no where but it never happened to before so I could be wrong
Frasier and Niles were the gayest straight men ever. that's what made their characters so hilarious.
A TV writer once wrote about the show: "It's basically about two gay men who happen to be sexually attracted to women."
@@jpsned Sure, if you that that having "non-masculine" interests makes someone gay.
@@ThreadBomb 👍
That scene with Niles in the kitchen “I’m sorry can you repeat the question” must be one of the funniest in the entire series.
"You're from the south" I actually laughed for a whole minute
Rose was so hilarious hahaha
It’s her innocence that makes that line so funny to me. Lol most characters I would just exhale in amusement but her innocence while she’s saying it made it laugh out loud funny.
As someone from the South, I find that joke pretty offensive. It's a nasty old trope. But most of these older sitcoms are full of jokes parlaying outdated thinking.
@@favoriteemail I'm Southern and I thought it was pretty funny.
@@favoriteemail I know what you mean. I'll forgive the Golden Girls a lot, but they did lean on Southern tropes for Blanche and Sicilian ones for Sophia. Rose's batshit stories about her hometown were great and more creative- oh wow I didn't realize until I just looked it up that St. Olaf is a real place... I don't know how I'd feel if I were from there tbh lol.
I have to say watching this i cant stop thinking how handsome Tom is
Same
Codename Kendall way out of Frasier’s league tbh
His hair is so beautiful and full
Watch the episode of "Murphy Brown" where they try to figure out if the new employee is gay, that was hot too!
"That's right, Robin Hood is gay." "No no no, we're not gay. Just... merry."
"We're men, manly men/We're men in tights! YES!"
@@jrcarter9175 TIGHT tights!
Come on Little John, let's do some quarterstaff sparring
"We're butch!"
Not gonna lie. I'm still shook that one of the first positive iterations of gay interaction. Was Married With Children of all shows.
...and Al was down. 😂
@@braininjurydiy It's all a matter of how one reads into it, though. If we consider the fact that Al was the butt of the jokes for the most part, then it should hint at how seriously his own opinions should be taken.
@@Adrasdea Bundy a bigot?
Al Bundy falls in love with the man who voices his cartoon version. There has to be something Freudian in that
You missed another fantastic gay episode where the Crane boys' mom's research assistant (Leland Barton) pays a visit and he has so much in common with Niles and Frasier that they wonder if they were the product of the late Mrs. Crane's infidelity. The final punchline is that it isn't possible because the researcher is gay. It is a sweet episode with a touching ending.
Conspiracy theory: the Major was clever enough to know where Martin's anxious line of questioning was going and then lied about being gay to get out of that sticky situation.
just rewatched this with my husband and realized you're gonna do another culture cruise with more gay frasier episodes! yay
That was a common trope at the time, 'they couldn't cheat because gay', as if people aren't like freaking bonobos putting it wherever lol
Yes! David Ogden Stiers is fantastic in that episode and eventually came out
In real life so that scene to me felt so realistic
I love that episode.
Please never stop doing these. They are so valuable.
As a bisexual man im super curious to know more about bisexual charaters on tv
There's very few! That would be a good topic for a future video.
@@MattBaume ooh please make this video Matt
Would you say you're bi-curious then?
@@rosered6542 what? no im....oh i see what you did ;)
While this example is a relatively new character, I’d say Deryl from Crazy Ex Girlfriend is a great bi character. He announces it to his entire office and is surprised when they immediately are fine with it. If anything, his coworkers are annoyed that he called a meeting just to say it.
Im not gay myself but I have a friend who recently came out and since i dont know many gay people Im watching this series to understand and relate more to him. He's my friend and I want to be by his side but I don´t know much about "gay culture" if there is such a thing. Your videos have been helpful for me to understand his situation, so Im very thankful for that :)
I'm glad they're helpful! Honestly one of the best ways to be a good friend is just to let him know you've got his back.
I dig your channel, I'm straight personally, but you help me a lot. education dispels ignorance
Glad you're enjoying it!
This is such a wholesome comment! Thank you for taking the time to learn about us gays and understand our history
no one asked, but okay. keep that shit to yourself.
@@stormcloudsabound Huh
@@stormcloudsabound yeeesh
I know of an episode where a character comes out and no one cares that’s before Frasier. The episode is “George” from MASH. Hawkeye notices a soldier that has bruises that aren’t combat related and the soldier says he was beaten by his unit because they found out he was gay. Hawkeye and pretty much everyone doesn’t think it’s a problem except Frank who wants to give him a dishonorable discharge. So could you do a video on this episode?
Oh that's a good one -- other characters are upset but Hawkeye is very placid. I covered that one here: ruclips.net/video/LpuJb9MnZDE/видео.html
Thanks, I had forgotten that episode. I guess of all 70s sitcoms MASH was most likely to be reasonable and kind.
The whole point was that one person “caring” outweighed everyone else who didn’t.
That’s not no one.
I love the way Married with Children did that episode. It wasn't about Al's phobia, but his desire for a competent partner (he is jealous that this man cooks, cleans, holds a part time job, and watches sports when Peg obviously doesn't). Bonus point for the actor playing this role being the voice of Homer Simpson (Dan Castellaneta)
i love these culture cruises! guess i’m skipping sleep to watch them all again
@@MattBaume Heck yes! lol
@Matt Baume Have you ever done a video on the character Jodie Dallas from the sitcom Soap? Who was played by Billy Crystal.
If we’re talking 90’s sitcoms The Nanny is certainly worth discussing. It’s a bit all over the place with it’s gay content. There’s a couple of very stereotypical flamboyant gay guest characters but then they have an I can’t believe it’s not homosexual episode where the guest character is assumed to be gay before to Fran’s shock it turns out he’s actually straight. Mr. Sheffield suffers from gay panic a couple of times but Fran kisses other women without a second thought and when a lesbian assumes she’s gay and let’s slip she would have asked her out if she was she actually briefly considers it before turning her down cause she’s not Jewish.
I've got The Nanny on my list to talk about! I've never actually seen the show so I've got some catching up to do.
@@MattBaume omg you are in for a TREAT. probably one of the funniest 90s sitcoms imo.
Damara Carpenter I remember nick at night re ran it a lot
@@MattBaume You'd probably find the character of Niles the butler interesting. He is SO catty and is literally just throwing shade every which way. He fits some gay stereotypes pretty well and if he was a character in a show today, he would probably be gay. But in The Nanny he's straight. It isn't just not commented on, he has sex with a woman at least once and doesn't have any relationships with men.
@@MattBaume The ep where Bette Midler guest stars has a couple good gay jokes, if I recall correctly.
I’m a gay guy born in ‘96. I was raised on these sitcoms, but odd seeing what they were like before I started watching, my memory is entirely one of the gays being normalised
Same here 23
...old gay fart here ... just you be yourself and honest ... everything will work out ...
I’m a few years older than you and I remember lgbt being kind of taboo in the early 2000s. I know degrassi has its problems but it meant a lot to me as a kid living in the south. Lol the episode where Marco comes out really opened me up to a whole world of lgbt people I never knew about. And when they introduced a trans guy (played by a woman. But it was like, 2010 so I let it slide) I was mindblown. Prior to that I never really understood being trans was anything more than just crossdressing. That show meant so much to me as a kid growing up.
I grew up loving Frasier. It was by far one of the best sitcoms of all time.
Still is!
Yup
Truly, and it got better as I grew older!
“every day is lesbian lover day” are the words i live my life by
I remember that Ellen episode well, and I remember the companies that pulled their advertisements because of it. I haven’t shopped at JC Penny’s since they pulled their advertising from the show because "It didn’t match the companies values."
And yet in spring 2012, DeGeneres became the spokesperson for J. C. Penney in a tour and advertising campaign.
It was just annoying to be fucked with after all the bullshit like
No one:
Ellen's publicist: 'She doesn't wear dresses because they don't fit right!' it was spectacularly unfunny (and as a bi woman, grossly unappealing).
@@RaymondHng the forgiveness power of lesbians is really something else then
@@voluntaryismistheanswer she needs makeup
Down with JC pennies
i always thought the actor that played niles was gay when i was growing up watching reruns of this show and i googled it just now and he’s married to a man. no wonder he was always my favourite lol
I'm looking forward to "The Doctor is Out." That was my favorite gay Frasier episode, and one of my favorite episodes period. I particularly like Martin's bit about the central farce's absurdity:
"Nah, I can see why you think that, though. A guy walks into a coffee bar, and people can't be blamed for assuming he likes coffee. Of course, he could make that clear to people. He could say 'I'm not a coffee drinker.' 'I haven't tried coffee, not even once.' 'I'm not even *curious* about coffee' -"
The bar scene kills me every time
The setups in that episode are amazing. And it's from -season 10- season *11!*
"Is there anything this man can't do?"
"Time will tell."
@@Taijifufu "I could scratch your eyes out, and not one person here would find it strange!"
"He seems to be under that impression." ha
The head writer of Frasier was the great Joe Keenan who wrote several very funny and very gay books.
There was this one episode of frasier in I believe season 10 where Daphne and Niles throw their first dinner party together and one of the couples that attends is gay and they’re just seen as another normal couple which I thought was really interesting. It was a small thing, but it was another detail that showed how much the attitude towards the lgbtq community had shifted
Yes! I just finished my 2nd or possibly 3rd series watch of Frasier and saw that and was so impressed. It just was a part of the episode, and therefore part of life, to have a gay couple at the party, and not be a point to have A Serious Discussion about. And I believe they were mixed race too, neither white. Frasier is just the best.
Will & Grace was both a step forward and a step back for LGBT representation on television. On one hand it was nice to see a show where gay characters were the main characters instead of just supporting or guest. But on the other hand it also enforced a lot of stereotypes and keep in mind that openly gay actor John Barrowman, who you might know for his work on Doctor Who, auditioned for the role of Will but was rejected for being "too straight". The show would later cast a straight actor Eric McCormack as Will.
And that’s SUPER interesting. Well said, agree on the pros and cons of W&G.
@@sabrinafrolich5669 I know, right.
I didn't find Will & Grace very funny. I loved Ellen, though. I wondered why the show stopped. I didn't realise it was cancelled.
Agreed. I boycotted W&G for years because it relied so heavily on stereotypes, and funny as he was I'm still not sure if I were Sean Hayes that I'd have taken the part - laughing all the way to the bank a couple million times would have helped though. Later, I caught re-runs and found a lot of it to be actually quite funny (Debbie Reynolds really should have won something for the guest spots) - but .... did it do some harm whilst doing good?
Barrowman too straight? 🤣🤣🤣🤣Guess they hadn't seen and admired him in his Tardis dress yet
EVERY DAY IS LESBIAN LOVER DAY!!
💖
Lesbians are the cutest people in the world.
@@ninjabluefyre3815 thanks
@@ninjabluefyre3815 aww thanks
To be fair to That 70's Show, Eric's reaction to the kiss is pretty much what you'd expect for the 70's. It'd be anachronistic if he didn't have gay panic. It's a bit of a throwback because the setting itself is a throwback.
Kissing is like boxing. If both people don't agree to participate, one of them is committing a crime. Eric has a right to react that way to an unwanted kiss.
Too bad Buddy never appears again
Actually Eric acted very open minded for being the pretend 70s.
I always loved how casual the mechanics relationship is in the pilot. Really shows what direction the 70s were headed in before Regans 80s.
"Randy's date is man"
"I'm ok with it"
"We are so cool to be okay with it"
@Carl Hansen imagine if Eric was a girl and buddy kissed him after saying they were friends.
I totally need my Mac from Always Sunny culture cruise
Characters like Mac and GOB Bluth are actually the most relatable gay characters for me because they're annoying screw-ups, just like me 😂
@@sonofagun4125 G.O.B. isn't gay, do you mean Tobias Funke?
@@andrewthezeppo Gob is for sure gay dude. With Ben Stiller, it's a whole arc that makes Gob re-evaluate his identity. Tobias's gayness is more of a joke the shows writing utilizes, but Gobs gayness is actually a story component of the show.
I grew up watching Frasier with my family. Even though we’re a Christian family from the southeast, my parents loved the show and wanted my sister and I to accept/understand others. The majority of the jokes went over our heads as kids, but now as an adult who loves the show as much as parents (if not more so), I can honestly say Frasier shaped my sense of humor and gave me a foundation for understanding/accepting LGBT people. Excellent video!!
Great video! The episode that still resonates with me is the Golden Girls. 1991. It's worth noting that it was Sophia - the oldest, wisest, lady - who sat Blanche down and laid it out for her, that 'everyone should have the chance to go old with someone they love.' 20 years later, coming out to my grandma (my Sophie) she had very much the same reaction and advice. She had lived her life, she knew not to sweat the small, insignificant, unimportant stuff.
lol that Frasier gay dream episode was so much Frasier being in denial. I used to do the same thing. Lots of gay dreams in high school and I'd always wake up and say "It was really about religion." Haha nope. Finally figured it out in my 30's. Better late than never!
I cannot believe you missed Seinfelds ground breaking episode. It was based on the trope of someone mistakingly thinking the lead character gay, and the lead character treating it as a horrible misunderstanding... yet instead if the common OhNO!! Seinfeld waved his arms after his objections ans saying "Im Not Gay! Not that theres anything WRONG with that!" He mocked one of the producers objections to having a gay episode
Don’t forget though, there was an earlier Seinfeld episode where George got a massage from a man, and “IT” moved, and because of that, George thought he was now gay.
That's right: "The Outing"! - It even received the Media Award from GLAAD for creating the catchphrase: "NOT that there's anything wrong with that!" It aired in 1993, a full year before "The Matchmaker" episode of Frasier.
"Ellen" was "the first time a sitcom's lead character was queer"? I'm afraid not. The first U.S. network prime-time show to have a gay lead (and title) character, a sitcom, was "Love, Sidney," starring Tony Randall, that aired on NBC from 1981 to 1983. Wikipedia: "['Love, Sidney'] was the first program on American television to feature a gay character as the central character...." Granted, it's addressing of LGBT issues was more muted than later shows would be, but it at least deserves mentioning. I'm a little surprised that "Love, Sidney" hasn't come up at all on any of these "Culture Cruises."
"Number 96" was a prime-time soap-opera set in a block of flats in Sydney, first screened in Australia in 1972 and the highest-rated television show two years running. One of the main characters in the show for the duration of the series was a gay lawyer, liked by all the other characters and popular with viewers.
After a long-running flirtation, one of his female neighbours confessed she was in love with him; when he told her he thought she knew he was "a homosexual" she called him "a filthy, dirty queer" and threw him out of her apartment. The woman's flatmate however, had realised the lawyer was gay and accepted the fact without comment; she told the other woman to do the same for the sake of their friendship, threatening to move out if she could not.
I think because the gay character was so likeable and the female character was so genuinely sorry, on reflection, for her awful behaviour, the show probably had a positive influence on public opinion at the time. Following the incident, the two characters became good friends and the lawyer's romantic relationships were treated much the same as those of the other characters (except that he was only shown in bed with his boyfriend when the producers turned the series into a feature-film).
@@johnharber9208 - It sounds like Australia was ahead of the U.S. on that score.
"Love, Sidney" -- It's amazing that the show would be produced for two seasons and have been completely forgettable. I was 18 years old when that show started and I don't remember it.
@@pacificostudios I just tried to watch the first ep and it's pretty awful.
I love everything about this and The Matchmaker episode of Fraiser holds one of my favorite lines of all times.
Niles : Fraiser....Dad and I have something to tell you but I won the coin toss..." lol.
As a child who grew up in the UK in the '90s, I loved Frasier. I didn't understand half of the jokes therein, but I loved Frasier. I hadn't seen almost all of the other shows mentioned in this video, but I loved Frasier. Loved it. I don't think it occurred to me much at all then that my 15 year-old horizons were being gently opened by a sitcom spin-off, but this video has convinced me otherwise. What a wonderful show to be exposed to at an impressionable age.
I like to think that I turned out gay because I was born in the gay 90's
Maybe so...
“Why was 1998 a mix of high and lows and inbetweens?”
me, a bi born in 1998: haha
Woot 98
1998 was an awesome year bro.
"I've always wanted to make love to an alien" Same Lilith same.
My brother came out to our conservative parents in the early 70's. TV was our dad’s favorite child and I think the progression you lay out here benefited his generation in particular. I also had the occasional homophobic boyfriend experience way back when - it was real. These shows served to gently educate through humor, and it’s a pleasure to be reminded. Thanks.
I'm a straight cic man who has recently stumbled upon your channel and your videos are helping me learn a lot of things I didn't know that I didn't know.
I like to consider myself progressive, but these aren't things I think about regularly, and it's enlightening to see these topics dissected in depth from a gay perspective.
I have many gay friends, but none of them really talk about gay issues with me, and I would feel rude asking such personal and political questions in a social setting. This filling in some of the many gaps in my knowledge about gay culture.
Thank you and keep up the good work!
Roz was always an awesome character. One of my favourites from the show.
I swear to god Niles reaction to Tom's statement is classic. He is such a goob.
When Jodie on Soap (played by Billy Crystal) comes out to his hospital roommate Barney Gerber (played by acting legend Harold Gould) - and he's playing an older guy, presumed set in his ways. He just takes it in stride and asks him to play cards. It's amazing.
"Robin Hood is gay" is the best thing I've heard today, I wore that VHS out.
Great video as always. If I were to suggest an honorable mention, it’d be Closet Clown from Rocko’s Modern Life. Sure, it’s metaphorical, but it’s downright hilarious knowing the context
I've got a whole list of animated shows to talk about!
Frasier is my favorite sitcom of all time and I love this brief dissection of it! Can't wait to see the next part!
Thanks! Should be out very soon!
Scrambled eggs all over my face. What is a boy to do?
I’d like to hear more about this “Normal Ohio” show
Check You tube for the eps
Me too! John Goodman is already hilarious enough thanks to his role as Dan Conner so seeing him on this sounds funny! I'm sure it was cancelled so I'll enjoy what little episode they have on youtube.
The trailer screams ‘cancelled after pilot’
@@hatchibyebye That was my impression too but Wikipedia makes it look like it got a full season.
Edit: I should have read the article instead of skimming it. Cancelled halfway through the first season, got like seven episodes in.
Better than nothing
"We'll be talking about that episode in the next Culture Cruise video..."
No! That will seem so long to wait!
Seriously, though, I love your Culture Cruises. This one was long and wonderful. Thank you for this and all you do.
At 15.30, it's mentioned that Ellen's 'I'm gay' was the first time the lead in a comedy was gay. Except, I recall Tony Randall's Sidney in, 'Love, Sidney'.
Clarifications- just checked Wiki, and Sidney was closeted, as opposed to Ellen's being out. Perhaps that's the distinction?
Also- Billy Crystal's Jodie on 'Soap,' was an openly gay man, but not a lead.
Jodie was...complicated.
My disappointment at this episode's end was mitigated by your use of that clip from Star Trek!
But seriously, can't wait for your next episode.
GameJeannie except the character from that Star Trek clip raped Riker through coercion.
Hi Matt! I’m a 64 year old gay man that absolutely loves your videos. They often bring me to tears.
I don’t often respond to you tube videos, but there is a story I’m hoping you can tell about a local politician in New Orleans involving the dad of a famous person. Harry Connick Jr. ‘s father, Harry Connick Sr.
Leading up to the 1973 election of a new district atty in New Orleans, he campaigned for voters in the New Orleans gay community. At a time when gay bars were routinely raided, he promised to put an end to the raids. The gay community felt he was sincere and began campaigning for him changing the gay scene forever. A few years later, DA Connick had the local police department recruit gay men into the NOPD.
As a gay man, this was extremely interesting! I love this analysis!
I was watching your weekly update yesterday and thinking "it's been a while since the last culture cruise." Second time that's happened to me recently (last time was a T1J video). Maybe I've internalized the schedules of my favorite youtubers.
Haha glad we were able to sync up
You said “that’s right Robin Hood is gay” as if that was a shock for anyone
This was incredibly informative. I love it when people contextualize pop culture- plus I love 90’s sitcoms like Frasier! Thank you!
I'd say that the Cheers episode "The boys in the bar" was ahead of its time in the treating gay people in sitcoms.
And thirtysomething in dramas.
"Martin tried to get out of a date with a woman" not just any woman, that appeared to be the iconic Jessica Walter!
My absolute Favorite episode of Frasier is the one With David Ogden Stiers. His performance was magical, may he rest in peace.
Every few weeks or so I just watch all your videos over again, they never lose their quality and charm, no matter how many times I watch them
The Golden Girls originally had a gay male roommate named Coco that was cut out of the pilot. You can still see some scenes with him if you watch the pilot.
Wasn't a friend attracted to Rose? Jean was her name and Rose had no clue she was a lesbian.
I love these! I learn so much about gay culture in pop media. There is so much I wasn't even aware of. Thanks for making this and keep up the good work! Best, Marvin 😀
I remember “Eric’s Buddy” being a very significant and positive episode for me. Before then, Roseanne’s lesbian kiss scene was huge news and required a warning before the episode began. The kiss between Eric and Buddy went really under the radar, just happened, and was funny. It seems the producers were intentional about the lighting/camera direction to mostly obscure the kiss, but as a newly-minted college freshman at the time, the whole ep was pretty darn affirming to me.
Thanks for the great and fun video!
Eric's reaction isn't GREAT, but given the time it could have been a far more homophobic episode. (see also WKRP's Les on a Ledge episode)
I grew up with Mr Rogers and Marty Stouffer. But I also grew up in the late 80s and 90s. At the time I believe that being gay is misunderstood and that I was doomed to die alone or murdered. That paradigm never leaves you.
Fraiser.... amazing actor, did a landmark episode without even blinking, and played Beast..... national treasure material ❤️❤️❤️ Love the videos, Matt 😊
An early gay positive sitcom episode was on the Mary Tyler Moore show in the early 70's when. Rhoda goes out with Phyllis's brother and Phyllis is hilariously relieved when Rhoda tells her they aren't dating because her brother is gay.
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I loved the script writing on Frasier. It was so well done 👏 😂 🏆
Every time one of your videos pops up discussing Frasier, I relive every moment from The Ski Lodge in my head for about a week. It's too funny. If I watch it in real life I get abdominal pain.
Dude!! I was thinking of asking you what you thought about Fraiser! I'm so excited your doing this sitcom!!
One of the biggest sitcoms of all times was missed in the video "Friends". Since episode 1 we are introduced to Ross's ex wife Susan who realised that she was gay. The entire series include Susan and Carol's story of love and building a family. In season 2 which aired in 1995 Susan and Carol get married. There are many other gay characters along the series. And my fav part is again in S02 where Phoebe finds out that her ex husband is actually not gay (he was claiming he was before). There is a reverse monologue of the struggles to come out.
Very good essay! I'm kind of amazed that I remember almost every moment you included. Shows how meaningful any non-negative depiction of gayness on television was to this young gay man in the 90s.
That episode of Frasier is my all time favourite! Great stuff
yas! can't believe i was awake for a new video!
Haha I can't believe I'm awake to hit publish
I'd not know how lucky I am to be gay now if it weren't for these videos. Thank you for educating us!🤩🤗🥰🙏
Hooray! Frasier is my favourite show! It’s a show I consistently go back to. Great stuff, Matt! ♥️👏🏻
I really liked how Golden Girls addressed gay men. The problem was homophobia from my perspective, not homosexuality.
I'm not overly fond of a small detail in their lesbian episode despite overall enjoying it. There was a line about how Rose and the lesbian (I forget the character's name) sleeping in the same room and Rose didn't know the character had a crush on her and everyone else in the house worries for Rose possibly getting touched or worse. We aren't rapists! I don't think they intended to perpetuate that insulting and incorrect assumption about lesbians as the rest of the episode handled it well and Rose's character, if I remember correctly, wasn't fond of her roommates making that assumption regardless of the crush this woman had on her but it still really rubbed me the wrong way.
I told my sons when they were in their teens that if they were gay I would still love them the same. I didn’t want them to feel they couldn’t tell me and would want to die. They both told me they weren’t gay. I never had a reason to believe they were. I just wanted them to know I loved them.
I think the "I can't believe it's not heterosexuality" joke in The Matchmaker is a little different too though. I think that's also a joke about Frasier's obliviousness and self-absorption. He's so convinced that his plan is working and that he's a genius, so in his mind, he's reacts that way because he sincerely thinks Tom is interested in Daphne.
I can't get over that Wallace and Gromit shirt at 12:33, I need to get one for myself. Great episode as always, culture cruise is one of the best shows on youtube!!
The ski lodge episode is absolutely the best. Very well done. 🥳
That 70's show seemed retro about gay acceptance because it took place in the 1970s.
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One of the biggest reasons that I - unlike the vas majority of gay men, it seems - have never, ever had a problem with my being gay (it was never a crisis, or any issue, or something I wanted to change) is that Will and Grace started airing when I was 8 and I watched it right from the beginning. Nothing to do with it having openly gay characters, it was just advertising a lot during the commercials during "Friends" (my fav show at the time) and I thought ity might be a similar type of humour. Because of Will and Grace and it's depictions of it, homosexuality was completely normalized for me at a very young age and therefor a couple years later when I realised I was gay, it was no big deal to me.
And two of the three main characters were gay in real life. The vibes were strong on this show!
3rd Rock from the Sun also had a cute gay episode where Dick Solomon wished he'd rather be gay than an alien.
Just a couple of comments. One, I think "Ellen" was so enamored of the "I'm gay" moment, that the show stopped being about anything else other than the lead character being gay. When a show narrows its focus to one situation, that's usually not a good idea. I would venture to guess that's what led to its cancellation. Not necessarily because the character came out, but because the show didn't move beyond coming out. The other thing I wanted to mention was that Eric's reaction to the gay kiss in "That 70's Show" may very likely have been a "70's" reaction because the show was set in that time period and the characters were meant to be products of their time?
Oh no, it was 100% because she was gay, the network admitted it proudly. The execs, producers also admitted it. Theres absolutely no doubt it was cancelled because she came out on the show. Network execs actually threatened her before she came out saying that if she did she would be terminated. Im pretty sure it's all in Ellens first or second book.. icr
The show became unwatchable. It was a funny hang out sitcom about friends in and around a bookshop and just because boring and preachy and all about Ellen's relationship with a woman who was just horribly miscast in the role. Oh and of course the boing girlfriend has an equally boring daughter.
@@andrewthezeppo totally agree.otwas job at utter drivel afterwards.
It’s crazy, I started watching Frasier and Monk the pass few weeks and I can’t stop seeing memes and videos about these two shows now. Haha
Culture Cruise is why Im a Patron, Im a sitcom junkie and god do I love Fraiser. Thanks Matt!
It would be great to see more of these decade retrospectives. In particular, I'd like to see one for the '00s and the '10s.