Any time people bring up that Batman doesn't kill, he just beat the everliving crap out of people I like to tell them he does terrible things in many universes and alternative earths
Man it’s so annoying that Hades is always turned into a villain. Just because he’s the god of the underworld doesn’t make him evil. Actually, he’s one of the most reasonable gods. Second to Hestia
Yeah, he's basically the greek god who's the least dickish out of all of them (yeah, hestia probably is the nicest of the pantheon, but Hades is a close 2nd). It's oversimplification and a false equivalence, Underworld=Hell, and Hades=Satan, which are both incorrect.
@@regiman222 I think Hestia outranks him by quite a bit. She hasn’t done anything and even offered up her throne on Olympus for Dionysus. But yeah, Hades being vilified despite Zeus and Hera and everyone else being worse is really dumb
@@schwarzerritter5724 Thing is, he isn't even the dude who takes souls, that's Thanatos. He doesn't deal out sentences, those are the Judges of the Dead. Hades basically just does administration
I don't think anyone forced Hades to keep his domain a miserable place for those sent there. You didn't even have to be bad to be sent there, it was the default fate for non-heroic souls. He wasn't actively bad but it always sounded like he was uncaring about the souls and how they toiled in darkness and misery.
Solomon Grundy's existence is also pretty tragic, he kinda fits in the same boat as Bizarro. Especially since the animated rendition of his character in Justice League Unlimited seems more sympathetic.
There’s a few others with unpleasant fates. Bane, after decades of using Venom, became the cautionary tale for drug abuse when we see his withered body. Blight eventually was driven mad by the radiation, then exposed by his own son(et tu, Bruté) until finally disappearing at sea. Ian Peek used stolen tech to walk through walls until he couldn’t hold it together anymore and fell through the floor. It doesn’t explicitly show him dying, but after a few days without food or water, that will eventually happen. So he’d have to wait for death, surrounded by the stuff of Hell itself. Clayface’s death is never shown, but he gradually struggles to maintain his body form. And then there’s Inque, who also suffers degradation and the guy who helped her, he got part of her ability but not enough to do anything so he’s stuck listening to some woman tell him all her problems. Powers and abilities gone wrong does seem to come up a lot.
Honestly for me the best moment of all time in DCAU was when Lex Luthor says to Amazo "For all my struggles to make my mark in life, for all of I've accomplished....in just a few short generations my name will be forgotten. Even the greatest of us can't compete with time....and death." I relate to that. I know that death is natural part of life....but it's scary, because you don't know if you will be remembered and what's after that. And hearing this coming from Lex Luthor.....it feels strangely comforting 😥. And yeah Mr Freeze is the saddest example for me.
I can't remember the source of this, but it was rumored that there was going to be an extended scene after the end of JLU where Lex Luthor and Darkseid are inside of the Source Wall (after Lex gives Darkseid the Anti Life Equation), screaming in agony. Idk about yall but if this is true and it made it, it would've been easily #1 worst fate in the DCAU.
I think it was said that what’s beyond the Source Wall is us, the readers/watchers. So when Lex breaches it he learns that he’s nothing more than a made-up character in a story, it drives him insane
I think those heroes cooked up by Cadamus had bad fates. Yes, they died but the ones we saw died knowing they were just artificial people and there was another batch of them on the way. To die knowing your life was meaningless is pretty bad.
Another thing is that they were hyped up ,they were famous and told that they will become one of the greatest hero teams only to later discover that they will die and are easy to replace . Oh and Cadmus also implanted fake memories in them .
I know this isn’t DC related but I remember playing Mortal Kombat X and the ending of the story of Raiden throwing the decapitated head of the Elder God Shinnok on the floor of Lui Kang and Kitana’ throne room and proclaimed that their are worse fates than death. The one thing that shocked me the most about this scene is that Shinnok is immortal and his decapitated head was still alive but couldn’t speak essentially making him a vegetable for the rest of eternity
About DCAU fates worse from death. For me, most of the examples are the villains from Superman TAS : Metallo, why? Imagine your brain being transferred into the terminator-like body. Firstly you feel strong, powerful......but then you realise......you can't feel anything. You can't feel air, you don't sense the smell of anything, you don't feel like you have a full control of your body. Not to mention moving your brain from normal flesh and bones to robotic body just feels...wrong. Livewire, why? Imagine being a normal person, then being electrified by a lighting, which is already painful enough, but then you discover that you're a pure enegry, and you can't touch anyone or anything without sucking the energy out of it, or overloading it, or killing someone. Parasite, why? Imagine, again, you're a normal person and then experimental chemicals pour over you and you transfrom into a purple monster. Again you can't touch anyone without taking their life-energy and potentially kill them and you being rejected by the people because you look like that.... Of course these examples are scary if you're a good person and not the evil one. Man I feel Superman's villains are even more messed up then Batman's.
yeah Mental Health is a serious lets not make it contest I think Raven from Titans as well Jean Grey/Phoenix/Dark Phoenix from Marvel are good examples of Mental Health Heroes because they have to deal with psychosis of there mental God Like powers just saying it isnt a contest.
The true villain wasn't Kronos. It was his verbally abusive wife. She pushed him to distrupt the timeline by making them (or more accurately her) rich and powerful
@firesnakex8 I remember he was turned into clay and couldn't find a cure. Then, in Justice League, he was locked up on an island and, I think, experimented on. (Idk if he was experimented on)
His second appearance in B:TAS had a tragic ending. He was desperate to find a cure and when Batman showed up, of course he began fighting him. Unfortunately for Clayface it was raining outside and so he started to decompose. In his final struggle with Batman he felt over a cliff but bad news for him, it was overlooking an ocean. Batman did try to reach out his hand, but the clay was too slick and he fell into the sea and was presumed to completely disintegrated and dead. It was considered tragic at the time because even while Batman tried to help Clayface, he kind of looked at him sadly and “Curtains…going…down (he had been a stage actor)”. And then fell. For all we knew he was dead for good. But then the new Batman adventures kind of ruined it by bringing him and making him a petty thug and evil. The show did explain how he survived but it was still kind of cheap.
Surprised you didn’t go with that rich guy trying to use Freeze to make himself immortal. The ending implies he’s stuck at the bottom of the ocean in a prison of ice.
Bullwhip’s fate in Batman Beyond is pretty chilling. Guy thinking he still has leverage over the cybernetics surgeon who’s wife he kidnapped to coerce him in to giving him cyber upgrades. Goes to him and asks for the full body upgrade. Unaware the Doc now knows about his affair with his wife. It ends with Bullwhip lying on the surgery table, saying ‘No holding back’. The Doc holding a drill in his hand takes his instructions to heart.
I always thought kronos didn't remember the previous time before. Like the time line reset every time and he would just say what he said and did what he did-not knowing he was in that loop. So is it evil and mean? Yes...but if he realized it it would be much worse
The funny thing about the Felix Faust thing is: Out of all the Greek Gods, Hades is one of the NICEST PEOPLE! He’s super chill! He loves his wife, in most stories she loves him, he tends to the dead, he GUARDS Tartarus, he isn’t a Prisoner there. He’s pretty chill! In Heracle’s story, he LET Heracles borrow Cerberus. I hate how often he’s depicted as ‘Evil’ just because he’s the guy who rules the underworld, so he MUST be the ‘Devil’.
Mordred (Morgan le Fay's son) is restored to normal in the JLU comics, where Star Girl and Crimson avenger take them on, in the process getting Freaky Friday'd with the two heroes temporarily switching bodies
I don't remember the characters name, but it was a villain in Batman Beoynd who could phase thru things. It ended with his ability go out of control and he phased thru the earth and down to the core, because of it's gravity. So imagine being trapped in a center of gravity, unable to move anywhere, and most likely can not die from it either. All you hear, is raging roar of magma and fire while you keep spinning around till the day earths core explodes. From there, your fate is in the next strongest gravitation, unable to effect it at all.
Is Morgan le Faye's son not meant to be a bizarre version of Mordred? Also, in retrospect, It's interesting to see a villainous post-Camlaan Morgan, as she wasn't even Arthur's enemy until the Morte D'Arthur version, and even that version depicts her as at least partially repentant, as she leads the group of Faye who whisk Arthur away to heal/eventually be resurrected when he succumbs to his wounds. Heck, in most versions, her kids are straight up among Arthur's most loyal and valorous knights, Gawain, Gareth, and Gaheris, with even Mordred, who was only her (and arthur's incest love child) son in later versions, wasn't even explicitly stated to have been a traitor in earlier versions, with the oldest surviving version merely noting that both Arthur and Mordred perished in a particular battle, with it unclear if they were there as enemies or allies.
what they did to Chronos was by far one of the worst things they have ever done, thats not the actions of heroes, thats not the actions of a villain, thats the actions of pure evil, far worse then almost all villains in the entire DCU, he was not even a actual villain, his wife was, she was the one who pushed him over the edge to become a true super villain who endangered the entire universe itself. another villain who got it way worse then they deserve was Ian Peek from Batman Beyond, he has a device that makes him intangible (can pass through stuff) and he has a safety device that prevents him from falling through the ground, it ends with the device being damaged or something and he falls through the ground, freefalling through the earth toward the center, leaving him to either suffocate to death inside the earth in complete and total darkness, slowly cooked to death as he gets closer to the hot molten core, starve and thirst to death as he gets stuck floating around in the core, or the worst of them all, he gets stuck in there, just floating about inside the core, which due to its temperature glows extremely blindingly white, so strong that its irrelevant whatever he closes his eyes or not, covering them with his hands or not, the light is so bright and strong it will go straight through and burn his eyes out anyways, and he'll float there for however long it takes for his device to run out of power or break down, it all depends on how his device functions.
Honestly idk if Felix got it hard. He was like in hell for what a year or two before he navigated his way out and into a suit of armor capable of beating hades? Like yeah hades can torture him but Felix is clearly able to outwit him which would mean it’s going to be an eternal back and forth until eventually that hell gets replaced
Is Harley the only bad guy in the DCAU who gets a confirmed good ending? She outlives the Joker, odds are she'll outlive Batman (since she's younger than him), she gets to spend years in what we have to assume is relative peace after retiring, she seems to have married with someone who couldn't be worse than Joker, she still has enough money to bail her granddaughters out (and bail for helping the Joker couldn't have been cheap).
Kronos! The worst fate is being yelled at by a Karen forever, and repeating and hearing her yelling in your face the same way with the same insult s for all eternity .😅
The JLA where Batman trapped that "Dream Master" guy inside his own mind. It is not for all eternity but still not nice. Batman also trapped that guy in the time loop. Batman is one cold m**********r.
The fate of ink from Batman beyond is pretty bad. Also the hawk men commander that had a crush on Talak. He was deformed and brain damaged stuck in a robot suit after his people lost the war to the Gordanians
Wow okay, you’d think the justice league would have a bit of compassion for a man who was driven mad and who got abuse hurled at him by his wife. Really makes you think “damn, bit of a dick move” especially when you’re supposed to like the heroes
One thing that always confused me is that, was she stuck in the time loop? Or is it just him continually experiencing that moment? Like for her time still moved on but for him it keeps bringing him back...so from her perspective he dove through the portal and was gone and never came back but for him he just keeps looping.
Kronos fate is definitely the worst in my opinion because I have been abused most of my life and it really does do a number on your psyche and self esteem
As much as I love the Justice league DCAU, I hate that it falls to the stereotype that Hades is a bad guy. Hades just wanna child, governing his area man. I am tired of my homie getting slandered.
Of the two I'd take Hell over Tartarus. Hell is just agonizing eternal pain. The greek gods were far more creative and vindictive about punishing people.
I don't understand how this channel can call someone a idiot and it stays but when I do RUclips has a problem. It's called being a hypocrite and having double standards.
Kronos is such a sad tale man. Bro was definitely an evil Nut Bar villain, but lets not ignore the fact that he was out here defying the very laws of Creation itself with a Time Travel Suit that he created. And doing what most people dream of being able to. And his girl still found reasons to be uspet.
@@zexalcommander7036 No that was his wife. I think you're misremembering when they mentioned his Mother-in-law, which would be his wife's mother and not his.
This made me think of Ian Peek from Batman Beyond. This man is going to either fall for the rest of forever, fall until he gets lost in space, or be trapped in the center of the earth until he dies of malnutrition. If he can even die at all. And his screams has he's falling are genuinely horrifying.
He'll fall until he hits the center, gravity is still acting on him, so once he hits the exactly center he'll just float there, but it's likely he'll have died long before that as he still may be effected by heat, if thats the case he'll burn alive once he falls deep enough.
I agree with every pick but the first one , kronos's fate is awful but one thing that makes it slightly less bad is that he doesn't realise or is aware of the fact that he is in a time loop. Everytime the loop resets , so does his memory. He does live that same moment of misery for the rest of eternity but to him he only lives that moment once before forgetting it and then relieving it. I believe that sneak peak from batman beyond deserved a mention. He would sink to the center of the earth , where he would either burn up or die of thirst or hunger. That is assuming that heat , hunger and thirst even affect him any more. As far as we know he could stay in the center of the earth for the rest of time , fully alive and concious. The mere implications of his defeat deserved him a mention. Also , blight could have been given a mention as in the follow up comics to batman beyond , it is revealed that his radiation is terminal and is basicaly turning him into an atom bomb. In the end he gets buried alive and he is turned to nothing. He kind of deserved it but still a pretty horrible fate.
i disagree just because he doesn't know hes suffering makes it worse because he doesn't know whats causing it his mind resets, he gets abused, his mind resets, he gets abused and he has no idea why or how its happening thats terrible
@@RyomenAyeni225 True, it's still horrible. But imagine how much worse it would be if he remembered every moment of that horrible loop and also knew without a doubt that there is no way he can break free or even end his suffering. for all of eternity. Also, side note....isn't Batman also condemning his wife to repeat that same moment as well? I mean yeah she seems like a grade A piece of work, but still.....
@@MrAnim8orVideos I think not knowing is worse than knowing because if you know you might even accept your fate but without knowing.. yeah that’s scary because it was probably the worst thing that happened to him getting abused by someone you love is sad and repeating that pain without knowing is twisted And Batman basically gave the wife the job of torturing him so no he didn’t condemn her
@@RyomenAyeni225 IMO thats still condemning her. Its taking away everything else she would ever do in her life and replacing it with an ugly moment of rage against her husband. Awful for both of them.
Kronos' time loop isn't so bad when you realize his memories are also reset. He experienced verbal abuse for all eternity, but for him it will always be a couple of seconds.
You either die a villain or live long enough to see yourself become a hero. He gave his life trying to stop a Supervillain and saved Gotham. He lived long enough. ❄️💙❄️
Despite being trapped in an infinite timeloop or being personally tortured by Hades himself, I think and agree that Mr. Freeze's freezing immortality is by far the worst for me. Think about it: never being able to experience warmth, the sun beaming on your flesh, being able to experience the ocean currents on your feet, being unable to eat normal food, basically anything that you need to survive. Mr. Freeze can not do none of that nor can he experience anything like that; he literally is not only trapped in a frozen state where cold is the only paradise for him but he cannot even experience the fundamentals of being human anymore.
That doesn’t sound entirely dissimilar to metalos fate of course the means couldn’t be more different but the results are very much alike not being able to taste feel anything even the pleasure of a kiss they can’t do any of that
I think the only thing that slitly rival that is the Mr walker guy from the animated series. he has freeze do the same thing to him so he can be imortal and have his dream of utopia comes true by destroying the world. freeze is convinced by batman to stop him and freezes walker to the wall. at the end of the episode we see walking sticking with his dream city silently screaming. so we got a dude suffering worse then mister freeze cause he in at the bottom of the ocean surrender by his destroyed lives work unable to die.
At least Mr Fries had an ending. Kronos on the other hand had it worse. Relieving a Karen treating him badly over and over and over for all eternity. That has to be the worse thing Batman has ever done to anyone.
He can’t even feel the warmth of his wife’s embrace if he ever managed to make her come back and where she loves him still, but then again I think that’s how he’d want to go out
I doubt morgana could turn her son back even if she wanted too. My reasoning being that when her son freed himself from her spell he used magic far stronger than his mothers. So even if she tried to fix it her magic would just be nullified by the superior magics at work.
Since she is immortal, maybe she can continue to study magic and get more powerful and eventually make him a kid again. Or maybe she can contact Doctor Fate for help. I think he will help her, despite her being a villain and all.😅
To be fair, I doubt Batman would make the entire timeline they come from suffer just because of Kronos’ mistake. So I feel like the looping of time is concentrated to that one area, meaning that Kronos is going to suffer for a long time, but eventually someone’s going to have to wonder why neither of them have been showing up to work, paying the bills, or leaving their house in general. So someone’s gonna have to break the loop eventually. And win the two swear that only 10 seconds has passed people are going to think the couple are crazy and most likely take away his super suit. Of course, this is all a theory, but it feels like something that would logically happen eventually
It's weird when you start thinking about it. Kronos basically doesn't exist outside of that moment of time. He's effectively dead beyond the point where he uses his belt. Reliving the same moment over and over while the rest of the world moves on. Same for his wife, I suppose.
Comicfan1324 didn't batman put a virus that would only make it so he could only return in that specific spot in time, so if someone were to break the loop, and then later on when kronos uses the belt again wouldn't he just return to his wife yelling at him, so then loop won't ever actually be broken, right?
@@TheMaskGamer2007 Any time he uses the belt, he gets sent back to that point in time. He's stuck in a moment when he absolutely wants to use the belt with no time for anyone to intervene.
Static Shock gave us two Fates Worse Than Death that I can think of off-hand: Madelyn Spaulding, and "Heavyman" Koenig. Madelyn Spaulding: a top student attending the same high school as Virgil, Madelyn was exposed to the same gas that gave the other Bang Babies their powers while trying to help a homeless man (Patches, another villain from the show) the night of the Big Bang. During a stressful student council election, Madelyn finally unlocks her telepathic ability to control other people's minds and goes a bit mad with power. She's defeated when Static fries her brain with his electricity (as in, grabs her head and shocks the crap out of her) and causes some brain damage; not only does she forget that she learned that Static is Virgil, but she also reverts to a childlike mental state while losing her ability to actually use her telepathy. She returns in another episode that reveals that her powers have changed from telepathy to telekinesis (meaning that some of the damage done to her brain was permanent), and Static cooks her brain *again* to beat her. It's implied that the second time did even more severe damage, and it's made worse since Madelyn was a decent (if a bit stuck-up and high-handed) person when compared to a fair chunk of Static's rogues gallery. "Heavyman" Koenig: a scientist trying to recreate the process that created She-Bang, Heavyman had the ability to absorb mass that he came in contact with. Unfortunately, he can neither control when his powers activate nor divest himself of any mass he's absorbed, leading to his body becoming super-dense; when he appears on the show he's already heavy enough to crack any surface he steps on, and his body is so dense that his chest muscles are barely strong enough for him to breathe. He kidnaps She-Bang's parents to force them to find a cure for his unstable mutation, but his overdensity makes it impossible for his body to absorb the gas that should fix his powers. He's too dense to move at the end of the episode, and is last seen being taken away on a flatbed trailer because nothing else will be able to transport him.
When Bizarro shows up in JLU, he has a scar on his head. The writers said that Luthor performed surgery on Bizarro's brain to make him easier to control.
@@michaelandreipalon359 On TV Tropes, I saw an interesting bit of speculation on Luthor's own change. It's revealed later on that for a _very_ long time, Luthor had Brainiac inside him, manipulating his biology and steering his mind subconsciously to try and make himself a new body...what if the nice guy change _was_ genuine, but Brainiac kicked in his God Complex and other villainous traits again? As for Bizarro, it is very tragic what happened to him.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Oh, apologies. I missed the part where you said that. Yes, it is a shame, since he really did get better. So tragic that other more genuine villains took that away from him...by _force_ no less.
Kronos should have used that power to tell his younger self to avoid marrying that horrible woman. Anyone intelligent enough to create a device to time travel deserved better than that Karen.
@@foxymetroid and that too Hey younger me! Dont marry her! Marry this woman because she's the child or grandchild of this rich and wealthy individual in the city
One thing I can think of that could be worse would be eternal imprisonment in the Phantom Zone. It was described as “an eternal living death” by several who knew what it was capable of. And interestingly, it was Superman’s genetic father, Jor-El, who discovered it.
"I can only beg your forgiveness, and pray you hear me somehow, someplace... someplace where a warm hand waits for mine." It took 50 years, but the wait of Nora's warm hand finally ended
Seriously, he would have long ago become a drooling vegetable. When they transferred his mind into a new body, he wouldn't be marveling over the feeling of cold like he did in the show. He'd be marveling at being able to just move again.
One villain I think definitely deserves a spot on the list is Dr Destiny from the JL episode "Only a Dream". In the climax of that episode, he fights Batman, trying to inject him with a syringe filled with a serum to make him fall asleep. But, Batman is a skilled martial artist and fights back. In the end, Dr Destiny ends up injecting himself with the serum, putting himself in a catatonic state for the rest of his life.
He only remained catatonic until Justice League Unlimited, where he made several cameo appearances as a member of the Secret Society of Super Villains. Might as well have left him that way, though. I don't recall him doing anything significant in Unlimited, unless getting blown up by Darkseid counts. I don't think anyone even acknowledges his presence.
@@natek4488That's his own doing .Bane put himself in that state ,because aparently using a drug that makes your muscles grow in a hideous manner for all your life is bad for your health .
Solomon Grundy getting brought back again only as a mindless killing machine, only to have to be put down by Hawkgirl was definitely sad. I can only imagine what Grundy felt during that rampage
I would also put Inque's assistant from Batman Beyond on here; he was given a partial dose of whatever was used to create her, and was promised an antidote that was never delivered. Now he's stuck in a modified jail cell as a near-formless mass, listening to a woman (presumably his nurse) with no skills in "reading the room" prattle on incessantly.
"Believe Me. You are the only one who cares" To this day, only three supervillains have made me cry like a baby with their deaths. The first one was Red Skull in "Captain America 300". The second one was Moloch in J. Michael Straczynski's miniseries of the same name. I don't think it's necessary to say who the third one is...
I think Freeze shouldn't have appeared again after the Sub-Zero movie. That movie was a pretty satisfactory conclusion to the character's arc, as Victor could have lived happily ever after in the North Pole after Nora's reviving. TNBA just screwed up everything
Funny thing is, if they wanted to use a guy in armor with a freeze ray they could have used the Walt Disney fellow from 'Deep Freeze'. They already had an unsympathetic bad man with the same powers they could bring in without ruining Victor's arc.
@@josebencomo2385 Grant Walker, you mean. Anyways, it's implied that the poor guy and his iceberg were never retrieved by the authorities... fridge horror abounds there. 'Course, there's the Batman Adventures tie-in comics, which muddy things up.
The Young Justice animated series showed a similar scenario with Klarion casting a spell separating adults and children all around the world in two alternate dimensions. In this episode, Shazam is able to go from one dimension to another by switching from his kid form to his adult form which helps the Justice League and the Young Justice team work together to neutralize Klarion and his allies. So, I think it would work the same with the spell of Morgana's son.
@@Skullhawk13 more like a lawsuit forced them to retire the name, but he will always be Captain Marvel, since he more of a hero than the MCU iteration.
@@Shiirow Um it wasn't legal action. They had co-ownership of the name. They could've easily kept going, they just decided that everyone called him Shazman anyway, and it was the name of the title anyway. Like why are you talking with authority when you're so blatantly wrong?
Would Ace count as a Supervillain in the DCAU since she created the Royal Flush Gang and caused the world to go mad thanks to the Joker? Because if so, getting your childhood taken away from you and dying from an aneurysm is the worst way to go in my opinion
I would add Vandal Savage to that list. An episode of Justice League sees Superman seemingly killed but he was instead transported into the future. The only person left Is Savage. He was alone for thousands of years after successfully defeating the Justice League and destroying the world. The loneliness drove him insane to a degree, but also helped him find his humanity. I find that to be kind of tragic.
But he had already lived for thousands of years, so the 10,000 years he spent alone wouldn't have felt as long. Plus he kept himself busy the whole time and became a better person, so it wasn't like he was suffering horribly.
6:10 don’t forget that one rich dude from btas who made himself like mr freeze and made himself mr freeze suit and sink to the bottom of the Gotham ocean
Another villain with a tragic fate is Two Face. In the final episode of "The New Batman Adventures", Two Faces sick mind created a third personality, "The Judge", who acted as Gothams lethal vigilante. Batman managed to stop him and send him to Arkham Asylum, with his Two Face and Judge personalities constantly clashing with each other.
I think Dr. Cuvier in Batman Beyond got it worse, after Batman injected him with all the animal DNA he stole, he became a mass looking monster, similar to what happened with Tetsuo in Akira.
The worst fate in the dc universe is becoming a victim of pyg tho and mr freeze i still remenber that heart of ice episode it made me wish that batman would lose vs him
That's better than getting Diavolo'd. Pretty sure that's one of the worst fates put to fiction. Even the likes of Sisyphus or Prometheus at least have some kind of brief moments in time where they're not immediately suffering.
Man, Powers/Blight's death was EXTREMELY PAINFUL(Even to him) Spending Years contained in a suit With inanission & THEN he gets slowly Desintegrated after it breaks _AS I SAID, EVEN FOR A MONSTER LIKE POWERS, THAT WAS EXTREME_
There’s what happened to Bane. Basically all his years of venom usage caught up to him, and now he’s just a shell.
Honestly this was one of the creepiest moments in the DCAU, along with those nightmares in the Dr Destiny episode.
At least he will die soon
I was thinking the same
A shame he didn't break batman's spine like in the comics, so when he sees tge new batman, he says
Years ago i broke you now it is i who is broken
Yeah, Batman Beyond gets pretty morbid.
What they did to Kronos might possibly be the worst thing The Justice League has ever done.
Ultimately necessary still.
Any time people bring up that Batman doesn't kill, he just beat the everliving crap out of people I like to tell them he does terrible things in many universes and alternative earths
I mean, they had no idea thats how the start of things went down did they? So they didn't intentionally lock him in a hell loop.
I doubt they're cruel enough to leave both him and his wife trapped in that moment for eternity.
Ignoring the hell loop, you gotta feel bad for the guy he kinda had a point
Man it’s so annoying that Hades is always turned into a villain. Just because he’s the god of the underworld doesn’t make him evil. Actually, he’s one of the most reasonable gods. Second to Hestia
Yeah, he's basically the greek god who's the least dickish out of all of them (yeah, hestia probably is the nicest of the pantheon, but Hades is a close 2nd).
It's oversimplification and a false equivalence, Underworld=Hell, and Hades=Satan, which are both incorrect.
@@regiman222 I think Hestia outranks him by quite a bit. She hasn’t done anything and even offered up her throne on Olympus for Dionysus. But yeah, Hades being vilified despite Zeus and Hera and everyone else being worse is really dumb
Just because you don't like the job someone is doing doesn't mean you shouldn't be thankful it is done.
@@schwarzerritter5724 Thing is, he isn't even the dude who takes souls, that's Thanatos. He doesn't deal out sentences, those are the Judges of the Dead. Hades basically just does administration
I don't think anyone forced Hades to keep his domain a miserable place for those sent there. You didn't even have to be bad to be sent there, it was the default fate for non-heroic souls.
He wasn't actively bad but it always sounded like he was uncaring about the souls and how they toiled in darkness and misery.
Solomon Grundy's existence is also pretty tragic, he kinda fits in the same boat as Bizarro. Especially since the animated rendition of his character in Justice League Unlimited seems more sympathetic.
Missed chance was not having Solomon grundy and bizarro becoming friends
In Grundy's case Hawkgirl decided to end his life.
R.I.P Kevin Conroy's Batman 🦇😭🤧 (1955-2022)
Amen
UNFORTUNATELY.
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Rest in peace 😞😔
1955!??? BRO WUDM 1955
There’s a few others with unpleasant fates. Bane, after decades of using Venom, became the cautionary tale for drug abuse when we see his withered body. Blight eventually was driven mad by the radiation, then exposed by his own son(et tu, Bruté) until finally disappearing at sea. Ian Peek used stolen tech to walk through walls until he couldn’t hold it together anymore and fell through the floor. It doesn’t explicitly show him dying, but after a few days without food or water, that will eventually happen. So he’d have to wait for death, surrounded by the stuff of Hell itself. Clayface’s death is never shown, but he gradually struggles to maintain his body form. And then there’s Inque, who also suffers degradation and the guy who helped her, he got part of her ability but not enough to do anything so he’s stuck listening to some woman tell him all her problems. Powers and abilities gone wrong does seem to come up a lot.
Provided Peek isn't either crushed by the pressure and/or incinerated once gravity pulls him to the center of the Earth.
Honestly for me the best moment of all time in DCAU was when Lex Luthor says to Amazo "For all my struggles to make my mark in life, for all of I've accomplished....in just a few short generations my name will be forgotten. Even the greatest of us can't compete with time....and death." I relate to that. I know that death is natural part of life....but it's scary, because you don't know if you will be remembered and what's after that. And hearing this coming from Lex Luthor.....it feels strangely comforting 😥. And yeah Mr Freeze is the saddest example for me.
Yes, this is one of the extremely rare times where Lex is forced to be transparent by the circumstances.
I can't remember the source of this, but it was rumored that there was going to be an extended scene after the end of JLU where Lex Luthor and Darkseid are inside of the Source Wall (after Lex gives Darkseid the Anti Life Equation), screaming in agony.
Idk about yall but if this is true and it made it, it would've been easily #1 worst fate in the DCAU.
I think it was said that what’s beyond the Source Wall is us, the readers/watchers. So when Lex breaches it he learns that he’s nothing more than a made-up character in a story, it drives him insane
@@Bingo_the_Pugthat’s one way to break the fourth wall.
I think those heroes cooked up by Cadamus had bad fates. Yes, they died but the ones we saw died knowing they were just artificial people and there was another batch of them on the way. To die knowing your life was meaningless is pretty bad.
Another thing is that they were hyped up ,they were famous and told that they will become one of the greatest hero teams only to later discover that they will die and are easy to replace .
Oh and Cadmus also implanted fake memories in them .
I think Galatea change her ways in the end. And became Powergirl.
@@tureytayno3154 I don't think so .The last time we saw her in the show she was fried by Supergirl with those wires .
I know this isn’t DC related but I remember playing Mortal Kombat X and the ending of the story of Raiden throwing the decapitated head of the Elder God Shinnok on the floor of Lui Kang and Kitana’ throne room and proclaimed that their are worse fates than death. The one thing that shocked me the most about this scene is that Shinnok is immortal and his decapitated head was still alive but couldn’t speak essentially making him a vegetable for the rest of eternity
He's in the Injustice 2 game, so I'd say it counts
About DCAU fates worse from death. For me, most of the examples are the villains from Superman TAS :
Metallo, why? Imagine your brain being transferred into the terminator-like body. Firstly you feel strong, powerful......but then you realise......you can't feel anything. You can't feel air, you don't sense the smell of anything, you don't feel like you have a full control of your body. Not to mention moving your brain from normal flesh and bones to robotic body just feels...wrong.
Livewire, why? Imagine being a normal person, then being electrified by a lighting, which is already painful enough, but then you discover that you're a pure enegry, and you can't touch anyone or anything without sucking the energy out of it, or overloading it, or killing someone.
Parasite, why? Imagine, again, you're a normal person and then experimental chemicals pour over you and you transfrom into a purple monster. Again you can't touch anyone without taking their life-energy and potentially kill them and you being rejected by the people because you look like that....
Of course these examples are scary if you're a good person and not the evil one. Man I feel Superman's villains are even more messed up then Batman's.
let's not make this a contest
yeah Mental Health is a serious lets not make it contest I think Raven from Titans as well Jean Grey/Phoenix/Dark Phoenix from Marvel are good examples of Mental Health Heroes because they have to deal with psychosis of there mental God Like powers just saying it isnt a contest.
@@JBTriple8 right
The true villain wasn't Kronos. It was his verbally abusive wife. She pushed him to distrupt the timeline by making them (or more accurately her) rich and powerful
And unfortunately, she’d probably enjoy the time loop, as angrily berating people is fun for people like her.
Clayface was pretty tragic what happened to him. Although he was my favorite batman villain
What happened to him?
@firesnakex8 I remember he was turned into clay and couldn't find a cure. Then, in Justice League, he was locked up on an island and, I think, experimented on. (Idk if he was experimented on)
His second appearance in B:TAS had a tragic ending. He was desperate to find a cure and when Batman showed up, of course he began fighting him. Unfortunately for Clayface it was raining outside and so he started to decompose. In his final struggle with Batman he felt over a cliff but bad news for him, it was overlooking an ocean. Batman did try to reach out his hand, but the clay was too slick and he fell into the sea and was presumed to completely disintegrated and dead. It was considered tragic at the time because even while Batman tried to help Clayface, he kind of looked at him sadly and “Curtains…going…down (he had been a stage actor)”. And then fell. For all we knew he was dead for good. But then the new Batman adventures kind of ruined it by bringing him and making him a petty thug and evil. The show did explain how he survived but it was still kind of cheap.
Hades gets such a bad wrap in media. He's such a good god.
Him and Hestia are the only good gods in Greek Mythology.
Good thing fiction like the Hades video game exist.
Surprised you didn’t go with that rich guy trying to use Freeze to make himself immortal. The ending implies he’s stuck at the bottom of the ocean in a prison of ice.
The tie in comics have him returning, but not canon.
Yes. His screaming is scaring all the fish.
Hell I’d rather die than being stuck as a vegetable or being forevered imprisoned since I wouldn’t be able to “live” but just exist.
Bullwhip’s fate in Batman Beyond is pretty chilling. Guy thinking he still has leverage over the cybernetics surgeon who’s wife he kidnapped to coerce him in to giving him cyber upgrades. Goes to him and asks for the full body upgrade. Unaware the Doc now knows about his affair with his wife.
It ends with Bullwhip lying on the surgery table, saying ‘No holding back’. The Doc holding a drill in his hand takes his instructions to heart.
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I always thought kronos didn't remember the previous time before. Like the time line reset every time and he would just say what he said and did what he did-not knowing he was in that loop. So is it evil and mean? Yes...but if he realized it it would be much worse
Morgana's son won't stay ancient forever. She is just punishing him for a time.
No, it wasn't that Morgana was petty and wouldn't reverse the aging. It's that all magic comes with a price
Eternal life stuck as an old man sure sounds maddening
13:40 All I ask is can we get a part two
The funny thing about the Felix Faust thing is: Out of all the Greek Gods, Hades is one of the NICEST PEOPLE! He’s super chill! He loves his wife, in most stories she loves him, he tends to the dead, he GUARDS Tartarus, he isn’t a Prisoner there. He’s pretty chill! In Heracle’s story, he LET Heracles borrow Cerberus. I hate how often he’s depicted as ‘Evil’ just because he’s the guy who rules the underworld, so he MUST be the ‘Devil’.
Mordred (Morgan le Fay's son) is restored to normal in the JLU comics, where Star Girl and Crimson avenger take them on, in the process getting Freaky Friday'd with the two heroes temporarily switching bodies
Birth is a curse and existence is a prison
Scott Free escaped from Apokolips to Earth. I sure wish I could escape from the prison planet Apokolips was based on.
I don't remember the characters name, but it was a villain in Batman Beoynd who could phase thru things.
It ended with his ability go out of control and he phased thru the earth and down to the core, because of it's gravity.
So imagine being trapped in a center of gravity, unable to move anywhere, and most likely can not die from it either.
All you hear, is raging roar of magma and fire while you keep spinning around till the day earths core explodes.
From there, your fate is in the next strongest gravitation, unable to effect it at all.
Needle Mouse's entire list summed up in two words:
"Eternal Life"
Mr. Freeze: As a head without a body, I envy the dead.
Is Morgan le Faye's son not meant to be a bizarre version of Mordred?
Also, in retrospect, It's interesting to see a villainous post-Camlaan Morgan, as she wasn't even Arthur's enemy until the Morte D'Arthur version, and even that version depicts her as at least partially repentant, as she leads the group of Faye who whisk Arthur away to heal/eventually be resurrected when he succumbs to his wounds. Heck, in most versions, her kids are straight up among Arthur's most loyal and valorous knights, Gawain, Gareth, and Gaheris, with even Mordred, who was only her (and arthur's incest love child) son in later versions, wasn't even explicitly stated to have been a traitor in earlier versions, with the oldest surviving version merely noting that both Arthur and Mordred perished in a particular battle, with it unclear if they were there as enemies or allies.
what they did to Chronos was by far one of the worst things they have ever done, thats not the actions of heroes, thats not the actions of a villain, thats the actions of pure evil, far worse then almost all villains in the entire DCU, he was not even a actual villain, his wife was, she was the one who pushed him over the edge to become a true super villain who endangered the entire universe itself.
another villain who got it way worse then they deserve was Ian Peek from Batman Beyond, he has a device that makes him intangible (can pass through stuff) and he has a safety device that prevents him from falling through the ground, it ends with the device being damaged or something and he falls through the ground, freefalling through the earth toward the center, leaving him to either suffocate to death inside the earth in complete and total darkness, slowly cooked to death as he gets closer to the hot molten core, starve and thirst to death as he gets stuck floating around in the core, or the worst of them all, he gets stuck in there, just floating about inside the core, which due to its temperature glows extremely blindingly white, so strong that its irrelevant whatever he closes his eyes or not, covering them with his hands or not, the light is so bright and strong it will go straight through and burn his eyes out anyways, and he'll float there for however long it takes for his device to run out of power or break down, it all depends on how his device functions.
Mr freeze being alone for 50 years. Brook:first time?
Mr Freeze just wanted to cure his wife, and he turned to a life of crime to succeed
Grodd got a bad fate. Lex Luthor outsmarts him. He turns the Ape into a slave temporarily. Then he gets sucked out into the Vacuum of Space.
Honestly idk if Felix got it hard. He was like in hell for what a year or two before he navigated his way out and into a suit of armor capable of beating hades? Like yeah hades can torture him but Felix is clearly able to outwit him which would mean it’s going to be an eternal back and forth until eventually that hell gets replaced
Is Harley the only bad guy in the DCAU who gets a confirmed good ending? She outlives the Joker, odds are she'll outlive Batman (since she's younger than him), she gets to spend years in what we have to assume is relative peace after retiring, she seems to have married with someone who couldn't be worse than Joker, she still has enough money to bail her granddaughters out (and bail for helping the Joker couldn't have been cheap).
Kronos!
The worst fate is being yelled at by a Karen forever, and repeating and hearing her yelling in your face the same way with the same insult s for all eternity .😅
I think it's possible Morgan might de age her son again someday it just might be a VERY long time out
The JLA where Batman trapped that "Dream Master" guy inside his own mind. It is not for all eternity but still not nice. Batman also trapped that guy in the time loop. Batman is one cold m**********r.
8:22 I think you need to fix this title card right here
Kronos's fate isn't too bad, really. His memory is reset along with the rest of him, so he's suffering forever, but he's only aware of a minute or so.
Why didnt they just go back and stop his wife from telling him to comit crimes?
The fate of ink from Batman beyond is pretty bad. Also the hawk men commander that had a crush on Talak. He was deformed and brain damaged stuck in a robot suit after his people lost the war to the Gordanians
Bane's fate in Batman Beyond. Venom is a Hell of a drug.
Wow okay, you’d think the justice league would have a bit of compassion for a man who was driven mad and who got abuse hurled at him by his wife. Really makes you think “damn, bit of a dick move” especially when you’re supposed to like the heroes
I wonder if Kronus's wife is in the timeloop as well.
What about peak he went through the earth and he might still be down there
One thing that always confused me is that, was she stuck in the time loop? Or is it just him continually experiencing that moment? Like for her time still moved on but for him it keeps bringing him back...so from her perspective he dove through the portal and was gone and never came back but for him he just keeps looping.
Your soul can be hurt. It's uncomfortable
Didn't JL confirm there's an afterlife by confirming Greek Gods exist?
Kronos fate is definitely the worst in my opinion because I have been abused most of my life and it really does do a number on your psyche and self esteem
Death may be the worst thing that is but not according to DC but still I honestly feel bad for these people especially Mr. freeze
As much as I love the Justice league DCAU, I hate that it falls to the stereotype that Hades is a bad guy. Hades just wanna child, governing his area man. I am tired of my homie getting slandered.
9:14 but we are animals... humans belong to the big animal family
Of the two I'd take Hell over Tartarus. Hell is just agonizing eternal pain. The greek gods were far more creative and vindictive about punishing people.
So In the justice league animated universe..... The real religion is the Greeks?
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I don't understand how this channel can call someone a idiot and it stays but when I do RUclips has a problem. It's called being a hypocrite and having double standards.
Kronos is such a sad tale man. Bro was definitely an evil Nut Bar villain, but lets not ignore the fact that he was out here defying the very laws of Creation itself with a Time Travel Suit that he created. And doing what most people dream of being able to. And his girl still found reasons to be uspet.
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One of the ways you could describe a toxic relationship.
I thought it was revealed that Kronos’ girl was actually his mother. So it was his mother basically abusing him
@@zexalcommander7036 No that was his wife. I think you're misremembering when they mentioned his Mother-in-law, which would be his wife's mother and not his.
I'm in agreement. He cracked under pressure from her and it seems like she just kept raising bar.
This made me think of Ian Peek from Batman Beyond. This man is going to either fall for the rest of forever, fall until he gets lost in space, or be trapped in the center of the earth until he dies of malnutrition. If he can even die at all. And his screams has he's falling are genuinely horrifying.
i forgot about him. dude his is fucked up
Nah.. All supervillians are basically less than human, so their suffering (whatever form it takes) is warranted & justified
Yes! Batman Beyond had a lot of messed up fates/deaths: Bane, Peak, Mr Freeze, I'm sure I'm forgetting others.
He'll fall until he hits the center, gravity is still acting on him, so once he hits the exactly center he'll just float there, but it's likely he'll have died long before that as he still may be effected by heat, if thats the case he'll burn alive once he falls deep enough.
Kronos is eventually just gonna off his wife over and over
I agree with every pick but the first one , kronos's fate is awful but one thing that makes it slightly less bad is that he doesn't realise or is aware of the fact that he is in a time loop. Everytime the loop resets , so does his memory. He does live that same moment of misery for the rest of eternity but to him he only lives that moment once before forgetting it and then relieving it. I believe that sneak peak from batman beyond deserved a mention. He would sink to the center of the earth , where he would either burn up or die of thirst or hunger. That is assuming that heat , hunger and thirst even affect him any more. As far as we know he could stay in the center of the earth for the rest of time , fully alive and concious. The mere implications of his defeat deserved him a mention. Also , blight could have been given a mention as in the follow up comics to batman beyond , it is revealed that his radiation is terminal and is basicaly turning him into an atom bomb. In the end he gets buried alive and he is turned to nothing. He kind of deserved it but still a pretty horrible fate.
i disagree just because he doesn't know hes suffering makes it worse because he doesn't know whats causing it his mind resets, he gets abused, his mind resets, he gets abused and he has no idea why or how its happening thats terrible
@@RyomenAyeni225 True, it's still horrible. But imagine how much worse it would be if he remembered every moment of that horrible loop and also knew without a doubt that there is no way he can break free or even end his suffering. for all of eternity.
Also, side note....isn't Batman also condemning his wife to repeat that same moment as well? I mean yeah she seems like a grade A piece of work, but still.....
@@MrAnim8orVideos I think not knowing is worse than knowing because if you know you might even accept your fate but without knowing.. yeah that’s scary because it was probably the worst thing that happened to him getting abused by someone you love is sad and repeating that pain without knowing is twisted
And Batman basically gave the wife the job of torturing him so no he didn’t condemn her
@@RyomenAyeni225 IMO thats still condemning her. Its taking away everything else she would ever do in her life and replacing it with an ugly moment of rage against her husband. Awful for both of them.
@@MrAnim8orVideos it’s not as if she didn’t enjoy tormenting him it’s worse off on the guy that is being abused
Kronos' time loop isn't so bad when you realize his memories are also reset. He experienced verbal abuse for all eternity, but for him it will always be a couple of seconds.
That literally makes just makes it even worse, LMAO.
@@daviddow3705 I mean, from his perspective he basically dies when the loop resets
@@daviddow3705No it doesn't. Ignorace is bliss.
Its still a terrible fate
@@ford-wp1yq True. He's just not aware of it.
Ah Freeze. He died as he lived. Broken and alone with Batman trying to save him.
Not just Batman, but Teenage Batman.
You either die a villain or live long enough to see yourself become a hero. He gave his life trying to stop a Supervillain and saved Gotham.
He lived long enough.
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But he actually does not die...
Cold?
Despite being trapped in an infinite timeloop or being personally tortured by Hades himself, I think and agree that Mr. Freeze's freezing immortality is by far the worst for me. Think about it: never being able to experience warmth, the sun beaming on your flesh, being able to experience the ocean currents on your feet, being unable to eat normal food, basically anything that you need to survive. Mr. Freeze can not do none of that nor can he experience anything like that; he literally is not only trapped in a frozen state where cold is the only paradise for him but he cannot even experience the fundamentals of being human anymore.
That doesn’t sound entirely dissimilar to metalos fate of course the means couldn’t be more different but the results are very much alike not being able to taste feel anything even the pleasure of a kiss they can’t do any of that
I think the only thing that slitly rival that is the Mr walker guy from the animated series. he has freeze do the same thing to him so he can be imortal and have his dream of utopia comes true by destroying the world. freeze is convinced by batman to stop him and freezes walker to the wall. at the end of the episode we see walking sticking with his dream city silently screaming. so we got a dude suffering worse then mister freeze cause he in at the bottom of the ocean surrender by his destroyed lives work unable to die.
At least Mr Fries had an ending. Kronos on the other hand had it worse. Relieving a Karen treating him badly over and over and over for all eternity.
That has to be the worse thing Batman has ever done to anyone.
He can’t even feel the warmth of his wife’s embrace if he ever managed to make her come back and where she loves him still, but then again I think that’s how he’d want to go out
I doubt morgana could turn her son back even if she wanted too.
My reasoning being that when her son freed himself from her spell he used magic far stronger than his mothers. So even if she tried to fix it her magic would just be nullified by the superior magics at work.
I can’t help feeling sorry for them, despite what Mordred did to everyone , including himself.
Since she is immortal, maybe she can continue to study magic and get more powerful and eventually make him a kid again. Or maybe she can contact Doctor Fate for help. I think he will help her, despite her being a villain and all.😅
To be fair, I doubt Batman would make the entire timeline they come from suffer just because of Kronos’ mistake. So I feel like the looping of time is concentrated to that one area, meaning that Kronos is going to suffer for a long time, but eventually someone’s going to have to wonder why neither of them have been showing up to work, paying the bills, or leaving their house in general. So someone’s gonna have to break the loop eventually. And win the two swear that only 10 seconds has passed people are going to think the couple are crazy and most likely take away his super suit.
Of course, this is all a theory, but it feels like something that would logically happen eventually
It's weird when you start thinking about it. Kronos basically doesn't exist outside of that moment of time. He's effectively dead beyond the point where he uses his belt. Reliving the same moment over and over while the rest of the world moves on. Same for his wife, I suppose.
Comicfan1324 didn't batman put a virus that would only make it so he could only return in that specific spot in time, so if someone were to break the loop, and then later on when kronos uses the belt again wouldn't he just return to his wife yelling at him, so then loop won't ever actually be broken, right?
@@TheMaskGamer2007 Any time he uses the belt, he gets sent back to that point in time. He's stuck in a moment when he absolutely wants to use the belt with no time for anyone to intervene.
@CopShowGuy oh, ok, thanks for explaining it.
It going to end up as a giant time loop where someone tries to help them gets caught in the loop and so on until the world ends
Static Shock gave us two Fates Worse Than Death that I can think of off-hand: Madelyn Spaulding, and "Heavyman" Koenig.
Madelyn Spaulding: a top student attending the same high school as Virgil, Madelyn was exposed to the same gas that gave the other Bang Babies their powers while trying to help a homeless man (Patches, another villain from the show) the night of the Big Bang. During a stressful student council election, Madelyn finally unlocks her telepathic ability to control other people's minds and goes a bit mad with power. She's defeated when Static fries her brain with his electricity (as in, grabs her head and shocks the crap out of her) and causes some brain damage; not only does she forget that she learned that Static is Virgil, but she also reverts to a childlike mental state while losing her ability to actually use her telepathy. She returns in another episode that reveals that her powers have changed from telepathy to telekinesis (meaning that some of the damage done to her brain was permanent), and Static cooks her brain *again* to beat her. It's implied that the second time did even more severe damage, and it's made worse since Madelyn was a decent (if a bit stuck-up and high-handed) person when compared to a fair chunk of Static's rogues gallery.
"Heavyman" Koenig: a scientist trying to recreate the process that created She-Bang, Heavyman had the ability to absorb mass that he came in contact with. Unfortunately, he can neither control when his powers activate nor divest himself of any mass he's absorbed, leading to his body becoming super-dense; when he appears on the show he's already heavy enough to crack any surface he steps on, and his body is so dense that his chest muscles are barely strong enough for him to breathe. He kidnaps She-Bang's parents to force them to find a cure for his unstable mutation, but his overdensity makes it impossible for his body to absorb the gas that should fix his powers. He's too dense to move at the end of the episode, and is last seen being taken away on a flatbed trailer because nothing else will be able to transport him.
When Bizarro shows up in JLU, he has a scar on his head. The writers said that Luthor performed surgery on Bizarro's brain to make him easier to control.
Shame it happens offscreen, and even then, it really undid Bizarro's nice guy arc in S: TAS.
Yep thats on cue for Lex
@@michaelandreipalon359 On TV Tropes, I saw an interesting bit of speculation on Luthor's own change. It's revealed later on that for a _very_ long time, Luthor had Brainiac inside him, manipulating his biology and steering his mind subconsciously to try and make himself a new body...what if the nice guy change _was_ genuine, but Brainiac kicked in his God Complex and other villainous traits again?
As for Bizarro, it is very tragic what happened to him.
@@balanc-joy9187 I was referring to Bizarro, not Luthor.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Oh, apologies. I missed the part where you said that. Yes, it is a shame, since he really did get better. So tragic that other more genuine villains took that away from him...by _force_ no less.
Kronos should have used that power to tell his younger self to avoid marrying that horrible woman. Anyone intelligent enough to create a device to time travel deserved better than that Karen.
He could have used that power to tell his younger self where hidden treasures are located
@@EternalEmperorofZakuulIt wouldn't be enough for her. He'd be better off a happy bachelor than stuck with an abuser.
@@foxymetroid and that too
Hey younger me! Dont marry her! Marry this woman because she's the child or grandchild of this rich and wealthy individual in the city
In other words, in the words of Dark Raiden in Mortal Kombat X and Mortal Kombat 11, "There are fates worse than death".
But in this universe, what could be worse than death?
One thing I can think of that could be worse would be eternal imprisonment in the Phantom Zone. It was described as “an eternal living death” by several who knew what it was capable of. And interestingly, it was Superman’s genetic father, Jor-El, who discovered it.
Hellraiser 101: death is often a mercy.
"I can only beg your forgiveness, and pray you hear me somehow, someplace... someplace where a warm hand waits for mine."
It took 50 years, but the wait of Nora's warm hand finally ended
Cannot imagine what Freeze must have felt during his 50-year confinement, being just a concious head completely unable to do literaly anything
They could have at least put a TV in there.
"After some time, he simply ceased thinking."
Seriously, he would have long ago become a drooling vegetable. When they transferred his mind into a new body, he wouldn't be marveling over the feeling of cold like he did in the show. He'd be marveling at being able to just move again.
Yeah, seeing her son all aged up like that, I felt really bad for him.
Yeah the mother was the real villain he deserved better
@justasentientmclarenp1879 I agree with both of you. He was a boy who was led down the wrong path for many years.
It’s hard not to feel bad for him.
It may not be canon, but Morgana is able to restore Mordred's eternal youth in an issue of "Justice League Adventures."
I completely agree.
One villain I think definitely deserves a spot on the list is Dr Destiny from the JL episode "Only a Dream". In the climax of that episode, he fights Batman, trying to inject him with a syringe filled with a serum to make him fall asleep. But, Batman is a skilled martial artist and fights back. In the end, Dr Destiny ends up injecting himself with the serum, putting himself in a catatonic state for the rest of his life.
He only remained catatonic until Justice League Unlimited, where he made several cameo appearances as a member of the Secret Society of Super Villains. Might as well have left him that way, though. I don't recall him doing anything significant in Unlimited, unless getting blown up by Darkseid counts. I don't think anyone even acknowledges his presence.
@@christianwelch4206What about what happened to Bane in Batman Beyond.
I really like the vibes of that episode. Both sleepy and on edge
@@natek4488That's his own doing .Bane put himself in that state ,because aparently using a drug that makes your muscles grow in a hideous manner for all your life is bad for your health .
Depending on the dream that could be a better fate than anyone.
Kronos has it really bad. Having to deal with a Karen for eternity is much worse than death
Solomon Grundy getting brought back again only as a mindless killing machine, only to have to be put down by Hawkgirl was definitely sad. I can only imagine what Grundy felt during that rampage
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I would also put Inque's assistant from Batman Beyond on here; he was given a partial dose of whatever was used to create her, and was promised an antidote that was never delivered. Now he's stuck in a modified jail cell as a near-formless mass, listening to a woman (presumably his nurse) with no skills in "reading the room" prattle on incessantly.
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To this day, only three supervillains have made me cry like a baby with their deaths. The first one was Red Skull in "Captain America 300". The second one was Moloch in J. Michael Straczynski's miniseries of the same name. I don't think it's necessary to say who the third one is...
Of course not, we all know it was when Frost exploded in Blade :P
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Makes me think of the funeral scene in Watchmen where it's mentioned that heros and villains know each other better than most ordinary people did.
I think Freeze shouldn't have appeared again after the Sub-Zero movie. That movie was a pretty satisfactory conclusion to the character's arc, as Victor could have lived happily ever after in the North Pole after Nora's reviving. TNBA just screwed up everything
Bruce Timm really had some weird ideas on how his arc should have followed up on.
Funny thing is, if they wanted to use a guy in armor with a freeze ray they could have used the Walt Disney fellow from 'Deep Freeze'. They already had an unsympathetic bad man with the same powers they could bring in without ruining Victor's arc.
@@josebencomo2385 Grant Walker, you mean. Anyways, it's implied that the poor guy and his iceberg were never retrieved by the authorities... fridge horror abounds there.
'Course, there's the Batman Adventures tie-in comics, which muddy things up.
i wonder how Shazam would work with morgan la fay's spell, would he be fine as billy batson but get transported as shazam or would he stay as shazam?
The Young Justice animated series showed a similar scenario with Klarion casting a spell separating adults and children all around the world in two alternate dimensions. In this episode, Shazam is able to go from one dimension to another by switching from his kid form to his adult form which helps the Justice League and the Young Justice team work together to neutralize Klarion and his allies. So, I think it would work the same with the spell of Morgana's son.
Captain Marvel (the hero's name) should probably ask Shazam (the wizards name).
@@RicardoSantos-oz3ujShazam is the name of both now BB, They retired Captain Marvel name
@@Skullhawk13 more like a lawsuit forced them to retire the name, but he will always be Captain Marvel, since he more of a hero than the MCU iteration.
@@Shiirow Um it wasn't legal action. They had co-ownership of the name. They could've easily kept going, they just decided that everyone called him Shazman anyway, and it was the name of the title anyway. Like why are you talking with authority when you're so blatantly wrong?
R.I.P Kevin Conroy as Batman/The Dark Knight of Gotham City💔🕊 🦇👨
This video kinda deserves a 2nd part, cuz it’s really interesting
Why does the spell cast by her son only left a world of children instead of a world of children and teenagers.
morgan likely based the spell on his own frozen age removing anybody older then him
@@erubianwarlord8208 thanks for your answer. Your answer would explain why we don't see teenagers after Morgan cast a spell.
Would Ace count as a Supervillain in the DCAU since she created the Royal Flush Gang and caused the world to go mad thanks to the Joker? Because if so, getting your childhood taken away from you and dying from an aneurysm is the worst way to go in my opinion
I would add Vandal Savage to that list.
An episode of Justice League sees Superman seemingly killed but he was instead transported into the future.
The only person left Is Savage. He was alone for thousands of years after successfully defeating the Justice League and destroying the world.
The loneliness drove him insane to a degree, but also helped him find his humanity.
I find that to be kind of tragic.
I was thinking of him as well. The only things he has for neighbors are the giant flesh eating insects and the wolf like creatures.
But he had already lived for thousands of years, so the 10,000 years he spent alone wouldn't have felt as long. Plus he kept himself busy the whole time and became a better person, so it wasn't like he was suffering horribly.
Do a video of the five least known characters in the Marvel and DC universe, who had a happy ending
6:10 don’t forget that one rich dude from btas who made himself like mr freeze and made himself mr freeze suit and sink to the bottom of the Gotham ocean
# 5 mom never thought of a lazarus pit? ra's al ghul is older I think and he use it
Another villain with a tragic fate is Two Face. In the final episode of "The New Batman Adventures", Two Faces sick mind created a third personality, "The Judge", who acted as Gothams lethal vigilante. Batman managed to stop him and send him to Arkham Asylum, with his Two Face and Judge personalities constantly clashing with each other.
I think Dr. Cuvier in Batman Beyond got it worse, after Batman injected him with all the animal DNA he stole, he became a mass looking monster, similar to what happened with Tetsuo in Akira.
Huh so this version of Hades is litterally just the devil rather than the well adjusted goth guy he mostly is in the actual mythology
that depiction came out in the same time period of Christian wallpapering of other mythologies as Disney's Hercules
The worst fate in the dc universe is becoming a victim of pyg tho and mr freeze i still remenber that heart of ice episode it made me wish that batman would lose vs him
Freeze is my favorite but Kronos is extremely brutal no wonder it's the last one in the video
The thing is. Cronos doesn’t know he’s in a time loop. It doesn’t get worse. It’s just the first time he’s hearing it every time.
That's better than getting Diavolo'd. Pretty sure that's one of the worst fates put to fiction. Even the likes of Sisyphus or Prometheus at least have some kind of brief moments in time where they're not immediately suffering.
That just makes it even worse.
12:37 with enough popularity the writer will pull the Bull suit were oh after being in this time loop so many times he became aware hes trap an excape
What is your favorite DC comic hero character?
Man, Powers/Blight's death was EXTREMELY PAINFUL(Even to him)
Spending Years contained in a suit With inanission & THEN he gets slowly Desintegrated after it breaks
_AS I SAID, EVEN FOR A MONSTER LIKE POWERS, THAT WAS EXTREME_
The surviving SS members got off super lucky with that 5 minute head start.