@@ADEDAYOADEWOLE nope bro cuz free vst cant get u that realistic feel but i recommended u to install layers and free orsachtra by samprojects and also labs soft piano it gives u some realistic feel I hope u understand 😁😁
Well, I will say most of the time I find myself coming up with creative solutions when I impose limits on myself, but sometimes having limited software can sorta hinder what you can do convincingly, therefore discouraging you from experimenting more. Double-edged sword.
Hello there! Thanks alot for your videos. I feel like I have found a goldmine. I have made alot of electronic dance music and hip hop tracks in Fl Studio but I love classical music and I want to compose myself. I have already started composing and your videos are very helpful! Keep up the good work!
The lesson I got from this video doesn't just apply for music production and composition. This is why I love watching it so much, even though I don't compose orchestral music.
I'm a bass player and singer in a Symphonic Metal band, but I play a bit of keyboards and your videos are helping a lot to improve my composition skills and orchestration
FF14 warrior of light..... You know....I'm extremely jealous of you and your very being and what you are doing and what inspire you are literally what I dreamed of doing since I was young. I start making random songs since 8 but asian parents being asian parents, composing is for the poor and they go against it every way possible and even delete all my files and my works. And to be frank....you are honestly really good, and it pisses me off I'll just eat up my pride and just watch you you and learn your stuff....-_-
Your parents are blocking your passion? Put your things in a suitcase and go away to a place where you can be yourself. Even if you did all they asked you to do in life no one is gonna give you any reward. Because no one cares. People will only care when you actually become great at orchestra and they'll like to hear the story about how you went for what you were actually meant for.
Gracias Alex. No te das una idea de lo bien que le hacés a estos pequeños principiantes, como yo, que estamos intentando hacernos un camino, evitando la frustración (tanto como se pueda). Nosotros somos simples alumnos de primer año, entrando a un mundo desconocido, recién bajados del tren.. y vos te aparecés con tu farol, gigante, cual Hagrid, diciendo: "los de primer año, conmigo!", y ahí es cuando nos sentimos tranquilos y seguros, porque sabemos que escuchar tales experiencias es el verdadero camino hacia una vida exitosa. Esto vale para cualquier ámbito de la vida, no sólo para la música. Thank you.
BRROOO you know whats crazy!? I actually came here from your ArtMasters course haha. I'm broke at the moment so I couldn't buy it so I looked up Orchestral Music courses and I see you! haha thats crazy thanks for the help fam! Really looking to level up in the new year! 💫💫
I like what you said that the best way to develop your skills is to create your own mock up of existing symphonic works. Copy them to the best of your ability using your own instruments samples and processing and mixing tools in your on DAW!!!!
Back around 1999, I had a PS1 game called Music 2000. I compose remixes of Final Fantasy Games as well as other Jrpg soundtracks. Music 2000 was my entry into composing as I couldnt afford a PCl! I was curious to continue further into studying music so I took it further in college and then Uni. This is very inspiring thank you for your advice on composing and understanding that when you have a library, you must focus on mastering that library first. In a way this is similar to my experience composing on Music 2000 on my playstation lol. Although I didnt have a DAW or even any Vsts, I remember really enjoying learning the FF music and it improved my arrangement skills. I still have the recordings of these remixes btw!
I FREAKING LOVED MUSIC 2000. :D That was my very first to music produciton too. Second one was my Nokia 3310 Ringtone maker. Gosh, that makes me feel old.
"It's like having a Ferrari parked in your garage because you don't know how to use it" haha love it! I'm one of those people (without the Ferrari) so really appreciated this video.
i discovered your channel last year but lost motivation because i couldnt afford the libraries. But now I've found a free orchestral vst pack (sonatina symphonic orchestra if anyone else wants to try) and this video makes me want to try again, thanks so much
Nice video, Alex! Not sure if people would be interested in this, but I think it would be cool to see your process of writing a piano mockup and translating it to an orchestral track. Another video idea is how to hear multiple elements of a composition that support a melody, for example bass and chords, even competing melodies with violas/violins for example. Any advice on that?
Curious, I actually recorded a video tutorial about that (not so much about hearing but about how to go from piano sketch to a full composition with bass, harmony, melodies & cool percs) but didn't publish it 'cause I wasn't 100% happy with it. I think I'll re-make it in the future though, that one's an important topic.
The ONLY time you waste by composing, is when you are trying to COMPOSE and PRODUCE your music at the same time! John Williams STILL starts with COMPOSING and then, and ONLY then, proceeds to the PRODUCING.
He was probably referring to how he feels about the production quality/orchestration that he's done on that particular track, not the composition itself. Disclaimer: I'm interpreting his statement here, I'm making no statement whatsoever in that regard.
3:10. I have been producing music for a couple years and just made my first music score using ONLY the library from FL Studios FLEX. If you process it right and add humanization (off timing notes and changing velocities) you can get great result. Of course I also used the KSHMR packs from Splice lmao
For all you guys looking for a great beginner library, try writing the BBCSO Discover survey and waiting 2 weeks for them to send it to you. It’s all separate instruments, great for trying combination sounds.
This is interesting. I also compose orchestral music in FL Studio. My main libraries are east west strings. I use a resample technique; I export instrument tracks into wav files and put all the wavs into a master track. This saves time in the end; the master track renders in 5 seconds especially with my low specs PC.
You shouldn't do. You can convert the tracks to wav in FL Studio without exporting and reimporting them. Advante is that you still can go into the piano rolls to correct things
You shouldn't do so. You can convert the piano rolls into wav in FL Studio itself without exerting and reimporting them. Advantage is that you still can edit the piano rolls to fix things
It's a very easy trap to fall into. I think when you buy something like a sound library, there are 2 costs. The money cost and a hidden time cost. When you're busy working all month and don't have time for music, it's easy to want to spend money because you worked hard to be able to afford it and you feel you deserve it and that it will help you catch up on that missed time somehow. But you forget you can't afford the time cost. So not only are you wasting money but it's actually hurting you. As the little time you have for music, you end up splitting trying to learn several different libraries instead of focusing on one thing and mastering it.
I had to chuckle at the fact you said about owning absolutely everything with zero skills and obviously not being able to achieve anything and I couldn't help but think quietly by contrast in reading the entire bible and finding yourself walking on water 🙃 I'm afraid I'm in that mindset and with the added trait of being a magpie concerning shopping leaves me up the creek with paddle every which way 💥 I'll try to focus 🔥 happy Christmas Alex with Gratitude
Far most important is, to master and have a decent amount of knowledge/technique , but really good sounding libraries give you always good inspiration! For instance drumming on plastic buckets or drumming on a great drumkit…..You get my drift?
Thanks a lot! Your videos encouraged me to restart my hobby to compose music. Your tips are very important for us! I'm following you right now! Regards from Brazil!
sometimes i get picky because i need some library that does sounds real, but the point is you don't need many libraries, you just need one that suits you and then your skill should do the rest. let your creativity being the chef
I fully agree with everything you are saying. I have so many patches from the huge amount of libraries that I have that I don’t have time to go through each patch and therefore never get anything done composition wise. The less you have, the better because it forces you to get good with what you have and you don’t spend forever searching for that right sound and not get anything done.
That's right Bryan! Choose ONE kit to go with and learn it to the roots! All the time I read about "ultimate set ups" and the like, but when I listen to the examples, it makes me wonder what the priorities of these up and coming "John Williams" really are. However you are mistaking "orchestration" for "composition." WRITE your music FIRST, without succumbing to the temptation of trying to "orchestrate" or "produce" in the same instance, because THAT is the real time waster. Think about it- do architects try and BUILD their house before they are finished with the FLOOR PLANS? Nope!
WHOAH!! It's FFXIV! I came here to learn how to make music and I can't believe I ran into a song from my favorite video game! I'm hitting the subscribe button. XD
Yo my man, in response to people asking you if they need lots of libraries: Composer Cloud by East West is your friend. It's probably the first Software-as-a-Service application for sound libraries. You just pay 20-30 dollars a month and you have full access to most of East West's libraries. Including a full orchestra ensemble, ethnic instruments, Storm Drum etc. It is basically all I use and enables me to own the stuff I use to produce my music legally instead of torrenting.
I produce my own music already, without "torrenting" or I LOKS or ANY of that crap. It's a WONDER how my initial $200 investment, pro-rates to only $12.50 a YEAR!
Thanks for this. Just subscribed!! I will be checking out your other tutorials. I love the comment about mixing being the icing on the cake; but if the Cake Sucks, no amount of icing is going to fix it. LOL!!! I have been writing and arranging music for Pop, Rock, Jazz, Orchestral and Marching Bands for about two decades. I like to listen to great works by artists like: Two Steps From Hell, Audiomachine, Full Tilt, BrunuhVille and Thomas Bergersen for inspiration; and now I want to produce my own music that is consumer ready. The advice you give is great as it enforces the fundamentals without focusing so much on the branded tool. These types of tutorials will help for sure. I started using Native Instruments VST libraries about six years ago along with my notation software Finale. I did a cover medley of Howard Shore's LOTR music. They were good as demo tracks; but I just couldn't get them to sound like professional recordings. In 2020 I switched to Presonus Studio One Sphere. I was already using Studio One in live settings with a Presonus mixer; so, I had a head start on using that tool. Using the libraries I've already own, along with the abilities that come with Key Switches and dynamic automation has had an immediate effect on my product. I can now get the best articulations along with control of dynamics and color of each section. All of this goes to having the best arrangement. (see cake note above) I was looking for a Flugelhorn sample library when I came across these from AudioBro. Don't let the name throw you off. These are top end professional libraries. Strings: audiobro.com/modern-scoring-strings/ Brass: audiobro.com/modern-scoring-brass/ Children's Choir: audiobro.com/genesis-childrens-choir/ The items that drew me in are not only the incredible samples, but those items I use in my workflows like: microphone placement, Key Switched articulations, auto-divisi, as well as a wide range of instruments typically only offered as additional libraries from others like: Piccolo Trumpet, Euphonium, Cimbasso and several "muted" instruments, are available in their standard libraries. One last item to note is about their technical support. I was in the process of downloading and installing their libraries over a weekend when I ran into a licensing problem. The app has a direct way to send messages to their technical support. I thought, it's the weekend and I'll be waiting until Monday for an answer. Nope. I got a response, from the company owner Andrew Kresztes, right away. He fixed my problem and I was up and running in a matter of minutes. YMMV If you are looking to expand your libraries, I highly recommend taking a good look at these not only for their product, but for their support after the purchase.
Nice nice! The arrangements sounds awesome, Alex! :) I'm going in circles trying to invest in libraries. Every time there are the Black Friday sales I tell myself I'm going to buy everything I need, but I feel I'm still not decided yet on what's the best options. Thanks for your vids, I think they will be helpful. :) And you are totally right, I want to spend a lot of time learning how to modify/mix my libraries to get the best out of it. I Also need to learn a new DAW completely and was thinking about taking a whole winter to teach myself all of this. Otherwise I'm usually too busy composing and I use my old crappy DAW because it's the quickest to go when creating (at the moment). :P The creative part is important, but I lack the technical side which I think is also crucial. :)
People say that FL Studio is a simple DAW it's not. People say that it's easy to learn. It isn't. It goes really deep. There is a LOT in FL Studio. There's a lot that I WISH that books taught. For example you can do what I call spot reverb; you reverb a small part of a track. The method: 1. link your instrument to a channel. 2. Go to automation and automate; an automation show appear of send channel to mixer track or something like thta. 3. Now, if you curve the automation and play the track the channels will flash as the track plays. 4. Note where you want automation as the track plays. 5. Put a reverb on that track . This works especially well for a piano trill that you want to emphasise. Why don't the books teach that? I use that spot reverb method so often. None of the books on FL that I have ever read talk about it.
@@musicalneptunian You can say that again lol... What (I think) you were saying is that Reverb can be Automated. That's in a lot of books. It's common practice really. 1. Create an Aux track. 2. Add a Reverb on that Aux track. 3. Bus (Send) your desired instrument to that Aux track. 4. Automate Wet/Dry% on that Aux track. Side-note: If you manage to master one DAW, you will know the fundamentals of _ALL_ other DAWs. At that point, the only thing you'll need to learn is where things are. It's like sending a chef to a new kitchen; he just needs to know _where_ stuff is rather than how it works. The reason for this is because DAWs are the digital equivalency of an analog studio, minus the limitations of physical gear. Realizing this helped me to understand much more intimidating concepts, allowing me to become _much_ more proficient the studio.
You said this is not impressive as your older track ..whatttt 😂 I downloaded this video make it mp3 cut this piece and listen evry morning and evening to get inspired 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿 and its actually inspire me... ❤️. respect.
Hi Alex, I am starting on my FL music composition adventure from scratch and I’m finding your videos very informative! Thank you very much for what you do 😊
How long have you been on my back :) I fully support this point of view. I also decided some time ago to clean up my HD full of beautiful libraries from P2P ... I now stick to my Cubase, Reason and EW Composer cloud I paid for. I try to get the best from my favorite patches.
Cool! It might suck at the beginning but I'm certain you'll notice quite some improvement in due time, a way more organic and substantial improvement than you could have achieved before.
That's me! A bunch of high quality, non-pirated libraries. BBCSO, Albion 1-6, Abbey Road One plus the 3 expansions, EW Hollywood Orchestra Opus Diamond Ed. and Choir, Hans Zimmer Strings, Hans Zimmer Percussion Pro, Eric Whitacre Choir, Damage 2, Keyscape, Omnisphere 2.4, Trilian, etc etc. BUT I have zero skills. Wish I would've seen this video before I started collecting libraries. Think I'll do a mental reset and just try sticking to one library to write a piece.
Hey Alex! I am just curious, can it be done with BBC Symphony Orchestra? And not to mention, your 'Pirates of Caribbean' orchestra theme is... Super Natural!!! Without seeing you making this in the DAW, no one can believe that it is not a pure physical orchestra!!! It made me come to your channel and I am very happy to see that you have put something for the very beginners like me. 🥰 Thanks a lot!!! May God enlighten you with his blessings and you enlighten us with your wisdom. 🙏🏾❤️
I know that you kind of touch on this in the video, and I agree with all of your points, but I feel a counterpoint should be added: This piece is a great composition, and Inspire is a great library...also, the piece doesn't sound nearly as good as it would if you had mocked it up with some of your more "high-end" libraries and it has nothing to do with the "sound" of Inspire, but rather with the limited capability of the samples. While it's true that beginners do make the mistake of buying really expensive stuff (especially us Canadians and the damn American exchange rate), it's ALSO true that what I call the "training wheels" library idea can be a trap. Take it from me, a victim of such a trap: You go out and you buy something like Inspire, which I think costs around 500 USD, and then eventually, you get really good and hit the limit of what your samples can do. Great, now you'll have to go out and upgrade for all of what you're lacking - which generally means buying all-new stuff per instrument family, in divisi sections - and spend over 1,000 bucks on TOP of what you spent on the training wheels when the truth is...you could have just started with the better stuff and not have had to worry about such substantial upgrades in the future. Because ultimately, what we're talking about is a problem completely separate from sample libraries: Most musicians aren't taking the time to learn how to effectively compose, arrange and orchestrate music. But the thing is, you can "git gud" (as the dark souls fans would say) on both or low-end or high-end stuff, so I see no reason not to start with the high-end stuff if you can swing it or are willing to save for it. There is this romantic idea of using lower-end gear and rising up, but truth is that if one has aspirations of composing for professional games, films, etc. or at least making music that sounds just like the pro stuff - Inspire or EWQLSO alone aren't going to cut it.
It takes a LONG time to learn music, let alone trying to be the "Next John Williams" just by dint that you have a computer and the software. If MOST would-be composers realized the amount of TIME it would take, to sound the way that they WANT to, they would change their electives.
2:00 used only 1 library, just have fun and make the work 5:00 ott on strings compressor make it sound better stick w one library for one instrument, learn production skills to make the instrument sound better rather than find better libray can always use production skills in diff areas
I am very new here and I don't know anything, what is the software that you using for making music? I only understood that you talking about music libraries (sounds) but I did not find any description of the program. Thanks!
hi bro.. i have just got the komplete 12 ultimate, and got the essentials series with it. now i am learning abt orchstration and different forms of articulations. just wanted to know your thoughts abt it. i have not seen you use or speak of native instrument libraries.
i started with the librairie : The orchestra (not the full version) so i got all the instrument of an symphonic orchestra for 270€ so i'm quite happy about it :)
Hey Alex thanks for all yours incredibly instructive videos. What do you think about dealing only with the kontakt factory library ? What's the biggest limitations of this library ?
Nice video, I definitely agree with your point that people get too invested into buying stuff, rather than focusing on making music. I feel kinda guilty looking at Albion One as a starter orchestral all-in-one, but Logic's strings are just so meh!
Albion One is a hell of a great library to start with. Don't get me wrong, as I said in the beginning of the video, your music is a product of BOTH your level of skill AND the quality of your libraries. Starting out with a quality library is a great investment and I cannot recommend it enough, 'cause stock libraries are usually pretty bad in terms of sound and programming. Buying 99 libraries in the hopes that will save you from investing in your skills instead is an illusion, waste of money and time.
I don't agree with this suggestion. It's not EDM where theoretically one Serum is enough, it's the sound of dozens of people playing different live instruments with dozens of articulations. You can't possibly hope to have a decent sound for the whole orchestra in one library. The argument about solving crappy library sound with effects is false too, and it is sad Alex suggested it because it's an often beginner mistake to believe that they can fix crappy samples and timbres with effects. They just start wasting precious time into alterating the crappy sound into glorified crappy sound instead of solving the problem (which is - badly chosen source sample). One more thing, the topic addressed in this video is quite old. I remember this story - a poor boy comes to a tap dance master, asking if he can learn the dance without buying expensive boots. And surprisingly, the teacher tells him that if he wants to learn the TAP dance, he should wear TAP boots (or however it's called in English). If he wears simple boots, he'll be developing skills for something else. So no, some art forms are just expensive to master, life's extremely unfair and it's better to learn to deal with it rather then make illusions. And torrents just make it so much easier. Just make sure you'll buy your trusty tools after you establish your name, art and finances. And if you still fill guilty after Alex's message - learn this, Avicii and Martin Garrix , most paid producers, both used hacked version of Sylenth1... Plugin that even I, a poor fuck, was able to afford and actually buy. So...
If you're not making profits from the music you produce, , and you're not super rick, you should absolutely get hacked plugins, and especially, libraries. So many of them sound great on promotional videos and turn out to be crappy when you use it. Almost every music producer I know had a cracked sylenth and some other plugins when he started, and bought it only once he started gaining profits from his tracks. If it's too immoral for someone, then it's probably not the best industry to get into. I agree with pretty much everything you say.
I am a beginner in music production, I want to ask. What daw do you use or do you think the best to compose midi orchestral music? And what library do you recommend for beginner?
Orchestral Multitracks, MIDI & WAV Downloads:
- www.patreon.com/posts/15463662
Libraries used:
- Berlin Orchestra Inspire
Is it possible for me to make a good orchestral track with free orchestral vat and libraries as a starter and complete beginner
@@ADEDAYOADEWOLE nope bro cuz free vst cant get u that realistic feel but i recommended u to install layers and free orsachtra by samprojects and also labs soft piano it gives u some realistic feel
I hope u understand 😁😁
Thanks
How about BBC Symphony Orchestra? It is FREE to download and FREE to use.
Hey Alex,
Are your sound libraries original and not cracked versions? You must have invested in thousands of dollars.
Known fact: "the less you have, the more creative you can be"
This isn't always the case, but that's an okay general saying.
Speak it Wise One!
Well, I will say most of the time I find myself coming up with creative solutions when I impose limits on myself, but sometimes having limited software can sorta hinder what you can do convincingly, therefore discouraging you from experimenting more. Double-edged sword.
soundcloud.com/skyy38/trench-run-star-wars-excerpt-by-acb
Only to a certain point, when you outgrow WHAT you have been given to create with.
I like how Alex's video's are generic enough to be useful even for people who use completely different DAWs and libraries, ty Alex.
yeah, I even tried some of the techniques here in Renoise.
I think you mean his videos are broad. Because they aren’t very generic
"It's not as good as my other tracks" - was it a joke?
I mean, he _has_ made some more insane tracks
Another Guy On RUclips link?
"If you have 0 skill, having all the libraries still results in 0, and that is not good" - Alex Moukala
0 Skill = you don’t know what you want.
100 Skill = you don’t have what you want.
the realest comment today
"Is not as impressive as my other tracks" Plays a Super Inspiring Gem
Hello there! Thanks alot for your videos. I feel like I have found a goldmine. I have made alot of electronic dance music and hip hop tracks in Fl Studio but I love classical music and I want to compose myself. I have already started composing and your videos are very helpful! Keep up the good work!
The lesson I got from this video doesn't just apply for music production and composition. This is why I love watching it so much, even though I don't compose orchestral music.
I'm a bass player and singer in a Symphonic Metal band, but I play a bit of keyboards and your videos are helping a lot to improve my composition skills and orchestration
This is so cool. I didn't know people made orchestral music using a DAW. I would love to learn this!
Did you learn anything yet about DAW's and orchestral music?
I would love to know that too@@wizendweaver
Never saw your channel before, but you earned another sub!
Loving this, will be watching a bunch.
Me to he deserve it
FF14 warrior of light.....
You know....I'm extremely jealous of you and your very being and what you are doing and what inspire you are literally what I dreamed of doing since I was young.
I start making random songs since 8 but asian parents being asian parents, composing is for the poor and they go against it every way possible and even delete all my files and my works.
And to be frank....you are honestly really good, and it pisses me off
I'll just eat up my pride and just watch you you and learn your stuff....-_-
learn to hide the files. cant let em stop you forever
Bro just a tip. Store em on a usb or something and hide the usb
Your parents are blocking your passion? Put your things in a suitcase and go away to a place where you can be yourself. Even if you did all they asked you to do in life no one is gonna give you any reward. Because no one cares. People will only care when you actually become great at orchestra and they'll like to hear the story about how you went for what you were actually meant for.
Backup to the cloud storage. Although I would be livid to see my work be deleted.
Gracias Alex. No te das una idea de lo bien que le hacés a estos pequeños principiantes, como yo, que estamos intentando hacernos un camino, evitando la frustración (tanto como se pueda). Nosotros somos simples alumnos de primer año, entrando a un mundo desconocido, recién bajados del tren.. y vos te aparecés con tu farol, gigante, cual Hagrid, diciendo: "los de primer año, conmigo!", y ahí es cuando nos sentimos tranquilos y seguros, porque sabemos que escuchar tales experiencias es el verdadero camino hacia una vida exitosa. Esto vale para cualquier ámbito de la vida, no sólo para la música.
Thank you.
BRROOO you know whats crazy!? I actually came here from your ArtMasters course haha. I'm broke at the moment so I couldn't buy it so I looked up Orchestral Music courses and I see you! haha thats crazy thanks for the help fam! Really looking to level up in the new year! 💫💫
i cant believe i just found your channel gonna binge your videos
I like what you said that the best way to develop your skills is to create your own mock up of existing symphonic works. Copy them to the best of your ability using your own instruments samples and processing and mixing tools in your on DAW!!!!
Back around 1999, I had a PS1 game called Music 2000. I compose remixes of Final Fantasy Games as well as other Jrpg soundtracks. Music 2000 was my entry into composing as I couldnt afford a PCl! I was curious to continue further into studying music so I took it further in college and then Uni. This is very inspiring thank you for your advice on composing and understanding that when you have a library, you must focus on mastering that library first. In a way this is similar to my experience composing on Music 2000 on my playstation lol. Although I didnt have a DAW or even any Vsts, I remember really enjoying learning the FF music and it improved my arrangement skills. I still have the recordings of these remixes btw!
I FREAKING LOVED MUSIC 2000. :D
That was my very first to music produciton too. Second one was my Nokia 3310 Ringtone maker. Gosh, that makes me feel old.
smallfry14 Seng started on Music Generator #comrade
"It's like having a Ferrari parked in your garage because you don't know how to use it" haha love it! I'm one of those people (without the Ferrari) so really appreciated this video.
I started watching your videos recently. They're very helpful. Thank you for taking your time to make these!
i discovered your channel last year but lost motivation because i couldnt afford the libraries. But now I've found a free orchestral vst pack (sonatina symphonic orchestra if anyone else wants to try) and this video makes me want to try again, thanks so much
DUDE, THIS IS F***ING AMAZING!!!!!!!!!
I am so glad I found you channel and this is great educational content Shout out to YOU!!!
You can make good tracks with LABS from SpitFire.
Yea you can, honestly not for Epic Trailer music for example, but really you can make cool stuff with LABS
Nice video, Alex! Not sure if people would be interested in this, but I think it would be cool to see your process of writing a piano mockup and translating it to an orchestral track. Another video idea is how to hear multiple elements of a composition that support a melody, for example bass and chords, even competing melodies with violas/violins for example. Any advice on that?
Curious, I actually recorded a video tutorial about that (not so much about hearing but about how to go from piano sketch to a full composition with bass, harmony, melodies & cool percs) but didn't publish it 'cause I wasn't 100% happy with it.
I think I'll re-make it in the future though, that one's an important topic.
Yes, Alex, please do...it would be really helpful. And thank you so much for all your work and dedication, you shure helped me out A LOT
Yes please do that , that's exactly what I (and probably many others) need so badly ! ! ! :)
Please do. That would start us off from where most of us are.
@@AlexMoukala Did you do it yet? (I'm definitely looking forward to seeing it!)
Wise words. May you please in the future do a video on the tricks you use to smoothen your workflow i.e. ways to avoid wasting time when composing.
The ONLY time you waste by composing, is when you are trying to COMPOSE and PRODUCE your music at the same time!
John Williams STILL starts with COMPOSING and then, and ONLY then, proceeds to the PRODUCING.
And screw "tricks".
You ever hear of a thing called "knowledge"?
No you haven't, because you don' have the patience for it!
"It's not as impressive as my other tracks."
*gets blown away by how dynamic it is anyway*
"not as impressive as my other tracks."
*plays FINAL FANTASY LXXXVIII OST* lmfao ur insane dude.
He was probably referring to how he feels about the production quality/orchestration that he's done on that particular track, not the composition itself. Disclaimer: I'm interpreting his statement here, I'm making no statement whatsoever in that regard.
does anybody knows what song exactly did he remake?
@@hannsenpai torn from the heavens from ffxiv
3:10. I have been producing music for a couple years and just made my first music score using ONLY the library from FL Studios FLEX. If you process it right and add humanization (off timing notes and changing velocities) you can get great result. Of course I also used the KSHMR packs from Splice lmao
For all you guys looking for a great beginner library, try writing the BBCSO Discover survey and waiting 2 weeks for them to send it to you. It’s all separate instruments, great for trying combination sounds.
This is interesting. I also compose orchestral music in FL Studio. My main libraries are east west strings. I use a resample technique; I export instrument tracks into wav files and put all the wavs into a master track. This saves time in the end; the master track renders in 5 seconds especially with my low specs PC.
You shouldn't do. You can convert the tracks to wav in FL Studio without exporting and reimporting them. Advante is that you still can go into the piano rolls to correct things
You shouldn't do so. You can convert the piano rolls into wav in FL Studio itself without exerting and reimporting them. Advantage is that you still can edit the piano rolls to fix things
It's a very easy trap to fall into. I think when you buy something like a sound library, there are 2 costs. The money cost and a hidden time cost.
When you're busy working all month and don't have time for music, it's easy to want to spend money because you worked hard to be able to afford it and you feel you deserve it and that it will help you catch up on that missed time somehow.
But you forget you can't afford the time cost. So not only are you wasting money but it's actually hurting you. As the little time you have for music, you end up splitting trying to learn several different libraries instead of focusing on one thing and mastering it.
Thanks for this comment, I think I'm falling to the trap you mentioned. I have the money but I have little time, so it'a better to try to simplify
Amazing how realistic your music sounds!
I just found out your channel and I'm loving it! I think it's going to be very helpfull for me, congrats for your work :)
That sounds like a really good library overall. Nice tracks
I had to chuckle at the fact you said about owning absolutely everything with zero skills and obviously not being able to achieve anything and I couldn't help but think quietly by contrast in reading the entire bible and finding yourself walking on water 🙃 I'm afraid I'm in that mindset and with the added trait of being a magpie concerning shopping leaves me up the creek with paddle every which way 💥 I'll try to focus 🔥 happy Christmas Alex with Gratitude
3:24 love the way he sings "you need" haha
Thats great stuff! Lovely arrangement and good level of drama
Far most important is, to master and have a decent amount of knowledge/technique , but really good sounding libraries give you always good inspiration! For instance drumming on plastic buckets or drumming on a great drumkit…..You get my drift?
Thanks a lot! Your videos encouraged me to restart my hobby to compose music. Your tips are very important for us! I'm following you right now! Regards from Brazil!
sometimes i get picky because i need some library that does sounds real, but the point is you don't need many libraries, you just need one that suits you and then your skill should do the rest. let your creativity being the chef
This is one of the most valuable production advice I heard from awhile
Finding your channel just changed my life. Thanks.
This song is amazing, great work man! Ahhh the memories!!
I fully agree with everything you are saying. I have so many patches from the huge amount of libraries that I have that I don’t have time to go through each patch and therefore never get anything done composition wise. The less you have, the better because it forces you to get good with what you have and you don’t spend forever searching for that right sound and not get anything done.
That's right Bryan! Choose ONE kit to go with and learn it to the roots!
All the time I read about "ultimate set ups" and the like, but when I listen to the examples, it makes me wonder what the priorities of these up and coming "John Williams" really are.
However you are mistaking "orchestration" for "composition." WRITE your music FIRST, without succumbing to the temptation of trying to "orchestrate" or "produce" in the same instance, because THAT is the real time waster.
Think about it- do architects try and BUILD their house before they are finished with the FLOOR PLANS?
Nope!
WHOAH!! It's FFXIV! I came here to learn how to make music and I can't believe I ran into a song from my favorite video game! I'm hitting the subscribe button. XD
you know the name of the song that he remake in this video?
I’m glad I found your page. Thanks for all u do!
Yo my man, in response to people asking you if they need lots of libraries: Composer Cloud by East West is your friend. It's probably the first Software-as-a-Service application for sound libraries. You just pay 20-30 dollars a month and you have full access to most of East West's libraries. Including a full orchestra ensemble, ethnic instruments, Storm Drum etc. It is basically all I use and enables me to own the stuff I use to produce my music legally instead of torrenting.
I produce my own music already, without "torrenting" or I LOKS or ANY of that crap.
It's a WONDER how my initial $200 investment, pro-rates to only $12.50 a YEAR!
Bro literally you make the best Orchestral Music💯💯🔥🔥
Thanks for this. Just subscribed!! I will be checking out your other tutorials.
I love the comment about mixing being the icing on the cake; but if the Cake Sucks, no amount of icing is going to fix it. LOL!!!
I have been writing and arranging music for Pop, Rock, Jazz, Orchestral and Marching Bands for about two decades. I like to listen to great works by artists like: Two Steps From Hell, Audiomachine, Full Tilt, BrunuhVille and Thomas Bergersen for inspiration; and now I want to produce my own music that is consumer ready. The advice you give is great as it enforces the fundamentals without focusing so much on the branded tool. These types of tutorials will help for sure.
I started using Native Instruments VST libraries about six years ago along with my notation software Finale. I did a cover medley of Howard Shore's LOTR music. They were good as demo tracks; but I just couldn't get them to sound like professional recordings.
In 2020 I switched to Presonus Studio One Sphere. I was already using Studio One in live settings with a Presonus mixer; so, I had a head start on using that tool. Using the libraries I've already own, along with the abilities that come with Key Switches and dynamic automation has had an immediate effect on my product. I can now get the best articulations along with control of dynamics and color of each section. All of this goes to having the best arrangement. (see cake note above)
I was looking for a Flugelhorn sample library when I came across these from AudioBro. Don't let the name throw you off. These are top end professional libraries.
Strings: audiobro.com/modern-scoring-strings/
Brass: audiobro.com/modern-scoring-brass/
Children's Choir: audiobro.com/genesis-childrens-choir/
The items that drew me in are not only the incredible samples, but those items I use in my workflows like: microphone placement, Key Switched articulations, auto-divisi, as well as a wide range of instruments typically only offered as additional libraries from others like: Piccolo Trumpet, Euphonium, Cimbasso and several "muted" instruments, are available in their standard libraries.
One last item to note is about their technical support. I was in the process of downloading and installing their libraries over a weekend when I ran into a licensing problem. The app has a direct way to send messages to their technical support. I thought, it's the weekend and I'll be waiting until Monday for an answer. Nope. I got a response, from the company owner Andrew Kresztes, right away. He fixed my problem and I was up and running in a matter of minutes. YMMV
If you are looking to expand your libraries, I highly recommend taking a good look at these not only for their product, but for their support after the purchase.
Omg this is insane dude... chills.. CHILLZZ
This playlist of Videos helps a lot!
Brilliant video sir. Thank you for great advice
Nice nice! The arrangements sounds awesome, Alex! :) I'm going in circles trying to invest in libraries. Every time there are the Black Friday sales I tell myself I'm going to buy everything I need, but I feel I'm still not decided yet on what's the best options. Thanks for your vids, I think they will be helpful. :) And you are totally right, I want to spend a lot of time learning how to modify/mix my libraries to get the best out of it. I Also need to learn a new DAW completely and was thinking about taking a whole winter to teach myself all of this. Otherwise I'm usually too busy composing and I use my old crappy DAW because it's the quickest to go when creating (at the moment). :P
The creative part is important, but I lack the technical side which I think is also crucial. :)
Same here I can always get creative when it comes to writing music, but I lack the technical side, but I hope to overcome that in the next year.
People say that FL Studio is a simple DAW it's not. People say that it's easy to learn. It isn't. It goes really deep. There is a LOT in FL Studio. There's a lot that I WISH that books taught. For example you can do what I call spot reverb; you reverb a small part of a track. The method:
1. link your instrument to a channel.
2. Go to automation and automate; an automation show appear of send channel to mixer track or something like thta.
3. Now, if you curve the automation and play the track the channels will flash as the track plays.
4. Note where you want automation as the track plays.
5. Put a reverb on that track . This works especially well for a piano trill that you want to emphasise.
Why don't the books teach that? I use that spot reverb method so often. None of the books on FL that I have ever read talk about it.
I haven't articulated that very well. It is hard to put that method into words.
@@musicalneptunian You can say that again lol...
What (I think) you were saying is that Reverb can be Automated. That's in a lot of books. It's common practice really.
1. Create an Aux track.
2. Add a Reverb on that Aux track.
3. Bus (Send) your desired instrument to that Aux track.
4. Automate Wet/Dry% on that Aux track.
Side-note: If you manage to master one DAW, you will know the fundamentals of _ALL_ other DAWs. At that point, the only thing you'll need to learn is where things are. It's like sending a chef to a new kitchen; he just needs to know _where_ stuff is rather than how it works.
The reason for this is because DAWs are the digital equivalency of an analog studio, minus the limitations of physical gear. Realizing this helped me to understand much more intimidating concepts, allowing me to become _much_ more proficient the studio.
It's more like Skill is 80%, Library is 20%
Anything below 50% is basically the same thing: crap.
I just downloaded the orchestra complete 2 and this showed up. Great!
Great video man :) I'm sure this will be helpful to many beginners!
you are great speaker, thank you for tips
The Giant piano is from NI?
thank you so much Alex ;) greetings from Slovakia
This is a truly excellent video.
This video is exactly shows my mistake. If this did not exist, I would continue to make this beginner mindset
1 year after starting making music using DAW I find this video. I agree 100% with you...I made this mistake :P
Thank you so much Sir, will contact you after the holidays for more info about your lessons and other subjects. Again thank you, Jean-Marc
You said this is not impressive as your older track ..whatttt 😂
I downloaded this video make it mp3 cut this piece and listen evry morning and evening to get inspired 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿 and its actually inspire me... ❤️. respect.
Hi Alex, I am starting on my FL music composition adventure from scratch and I’m finding your videos very informative! Thank you very much for what you do 😊
How long have you been on my back :) I fully support this point of view. I also decided some time ago to clean up my HD full of beautiful libraries from P2P ... I now stick to my Cubase, Reason and EW Composer cloud I paid for. I try to get the best from my favorite patches.
Cool! It might suck at the beginning but I'm certain you'll notice quite some improvement in due time, a way more organic and substantial improvement than you could have achieved before.
Thank you very much for the video!!!!
That's me! A bunch of high quality, non-pirated libraries. BBCSO, Albion 1-6, Abbey Road One plus the 3 expansions, EW Hollywood Orchestra Opus Diamond Ed. and Choir, Hans Zimmer Strings, Hans Zimmer Percussion Pro, Eric Whitacre Choir, Damage 2, Keyscape, Omnisphere 2.4, Trilian, etc etc. BUT I have zero skills. Wish I would've seen this video before I started collecting libraries.
Think I'll do a mental reset and just try sticking to one library to write a piece.
wow alex zimmer here. I'm gonna start your all tutorioals~~ thank u
This is very impressive!
Really impressive and helpful.
you are Amazing , thank you for your great videos
Um.. Yeah you've definitely earned my sub!!! Great work!!
Hey Alex! I am just curious, can it be done with BBC Symphony Orchestra? And not to mention, your 'Pirates of Caribbean' orchestra theme is... Super Natural!!! Without seeing you making this in the DAW, no one can believe that it is not a pure physical orchestra!!! It made me come to your channel and I am very happy to see that you have put something for the very beginners like me. 🥰 Thanks a lot!!! May God enlighten you with his blessings and you enlighten us with your wisdom. 🙏🏾❤️
I know that you kind of touch on this in the video, and I agree with all of your points, but I feel a counterpoint should be added: This piece is a great composition, and Inspire is a great library...also, the piece doesn't sound nearly as good as it would if you had mocked it up with some of your more "high-end" libraries and it has nothing to do with the "sound" of Inspire, but rather with the limited capability of the samples. While it's true that beginners do make the mistake of buying really expensive stuff (especially us Canadians and the damn American exchange rate), it's ALSO true that what I call the "training wheels" library idea can be a trap. Take it from me, a victim of such a trap: You go out and you buy something like Inspire, which I think costs around 500 USD, and then eventually, you get really good and hit the limit of what your samples can do. Great, now you'll have to go out and upgrade for all of what you're lacking - which generally means buying all-new stuff per instrument family, in divisi sections - and spend over 1,000 bucks on TOP of what you spent on the training wheels when the truth is...you could have just started with the better stuff and not have had to worry about such substantial upgrades in the future.
Because ultimately, what we're talking about is a problem completely separate from sample libraries: Most musicians aren't taking the time to learn how to effectively compose, arrange and orchestrate music. But the thing is, you can "git gud" (as the dark souls fans would say) on both or low-end or high-end stuff, so I see no reason not to start with the high-end stuff if you can swing it or are willing to save for it. There is this romantic idea of using lower-end gear and rising up, but truth is that if one has aspirations of composing for professional games, films, etc. or at least making music that sounds just like the pro stuff - Inspire or EWQLSO alone aren't going to cut it.
Yep! This whole thing is exactly what I meant at 3:09 in the video.
ruclips.net/video/E5UnCsJPKHI/видео.html
It takes a LONG time to learn music, let alone trying to be the "Next John Williams" just by dint that you have a computer and the software.
If MOST would-be composers realized the amount of TIME it would take, to sound the way that they WANT to, they would change their electives.
@@AlexMoukala And you explained it very well. So I don't know why this joker wrote a wall of text repeating everything you just told us.
2:00 used only 1 library, just have fun and make the work
5:00 ott on strings compressor make it sound better
stick w one library for one instrument, learn production skills to make the instrument sound better rather than find better libray
can always use production skills in diff areas
thank you! this video was super helpful!
I am very new here and I don't know anything, what is the software that you using for making music? I only understood that you talking about music libraries (sounds) but I did not find any description of the program. Thanks!
The software I use is called FL Studio
Alex Moukala Tutorials Thank You! :D
P.S. Love your videos!
nice bro, good job!!!
Fantastic score.👍
4:38 that tune though
finally back to orchestration, and going through ENTIRE tutorial :)
Impressive,nice work
Thanks..... awesome video.... nice tip that anyone didn't tell.....need book and knowledge
hi bro.. i have just got the komplete 12 ultimate, and got the essentials series with it. now i am learning abt orchstration and different forms of articulations. just wanted to know your thoughts abt it. i have not seen you use or speak of native instrument libraries.
TY FOR THIS !!!
Absolutely the truth. Mixing and mastering skill is also one of the biggest things in my opinion (and this skill is one I'm still rubbish at)
i started with the librairie : The orchestra (not the full version) so i got all the instrument of an symphonic orchestra for 270€ so i'm quite happy about it :)
Hey Alex thanks for all yours incredibly instructive videos. What do you think about dealing only with the kontakt factory library ? What's the biggest limitations of this library ?
Nice video, I definitely agree with your point that people get too invested into buying stuff, rather than focusing on making music. I feel kinda guilty looking at Albion One as a starter orchestral all-in-one, but Logic's strings are just so meh!
Albion One is a hell of a great library to start with.
Don't get me wrong, as I said in the beginning of the video, your music is a product of BOTH your level of skill AND the quality of your libraries. Starting out with a quality library is a great investment and I cannot recommend it enough, 'cause stock libraries are usually pretty bad in terms of sound and programming.
Buying 99 libraries in the hopes that will save you from investing in your skills instead is an illusion, waste of money and time.
I don't agree with this suggestion. It's not EDM where theoretically one Serum is enough, it's the sound of dozens of people playing different live instruments with dozens of articulations. You can't possibly hope to have a decent sound for the whole orchestra in one library. The argument about solving crappy library sound with effects is false too, and it is sad Alex suggested it because it's an often beginner mistake to believe that they can fix crappy samples and timbres with effects. They just start wasting precious time into alterating the crappy sound into glorified crappy sound instead of solving the problem (which is - badly chosen source sample).
One more thing, the topic addressed in this video is quite old. I remember this story - a poor boy comes to a tap dance master, asking if he can learn the dance without buying expensive boots. And surprisingly, the teacher tells him that if he wants to learn the TAP dance, he should wear TAP boots (or however it's called in English). If he wears simple boots, he'll be developing skills for something else. So no, some art forms are just expensive to master, life's extremely unfair and it's better to learn to deal with it rather then make illusions. And torrents just make it so much easier. Just make sure you'll buy your trusty tools after you establish your name, art and finances.
And if you still fill guilty after Alex's message - learn this, Avicii and Martin Garrix , most paid producers, both used hacked version of Sylenth1... Plugin that even I, a poor fuck, was able to afford and actually buy. So...
If you're not making profits from the music you produce, , and you're not super rick, you should absolutely get hacked plugins, and especially, libraries. So many of them sound great on promotional videos and turn out to be crappy when you use it. Almost every music producer I know had a cracked sylenth and some other plugins when he started, and bought it only once he started gaining profits from his tracks. If it's too immoral for someone, then it's probably not the best industry to get into. I agree with pretty much everything you say.
@@Da_V1nky You would probably want to buy these tools after you make the money, so it's a win win situation
your skill is so cool! Hello from Ukraine. Good luck!
I am a beginner in music production, I want to ask. What daw do you use or do you think the best to compose midi orchestral music? And what library do you recommend for beginner?
Studio One 4
for me FL studio and Cubase
FL Studio, Reaper, Ableton, Bitwig, Cubase,
Very explicite explainings and tips very nice person dude. Could you show how you opened kontakt in FL?
Mannn!! You are so creative and pro man! How many years did you using the FL studio?
Dude... thank you.
Orchestra sounds so fckin epic, i love it
i like your progressive chord
Love it as always perfect ....can you please make a tutorial of runs strings plz ?? it's a hard topic to understand.....
Очень достойно,и вообще похвала за видео посвященное оркестровой музыке.
У него они все про это)
Звісно так
I started to learn here ...... 👍