No wonder why he was on the road to retribution, thanks to this council they took very dear to him and now he would never see his beloved daughter again! He lost everything but grief, rage, pain, and revenge!
And that's what they call a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Powers that Be don't need to manipulate things. Both mortals and immortals do so all by themselves.
That is the lesson we learn from Odin and Fenrir. To prevent Ragnarok, Odin chained up the friendly hound, but in doing so he assured that Ragnarok would occur.
@@efaristi9737 what the original comment means is that their mercy was not mercy they killed his child over an act of kindness they were the problem and Aaravos had every right to want to destroy them for her.
@@lyrainvisa6880 that's debatable, as cruel as it seems, the execution might not be without reasons. I want to know how humans learning magic unbalance the cosmic order before making judgement. Is it referring to dark magic or is something darker coming up ? Also, do remember that Aaravos is a liar and a manipulator, nothing proves that what he said is the truth and not a lie to convince Claudia to help him.
@@efaristi9737 I think the best way to tell if he's lying is his body language when he's actually talking about it with someone else because that's a pretty good indicator because no matter how good of an actor you are something will give you away. Though you do make a really good point but if his story is true then I can understand why he's so hell bent on revenge I don't necessarily agree with everything he's done but if the story is true it's easier to understand why he's doing it as opposed to if he's just doing it because he can (we've also got to remember this is supposed to be a children's show so their most likely is a reason).
... the council shouldn't have to fear their own citizens for doing the job they were made for. aaravos needs to grow up and remember that "lesser" races experience death all the time. a burden of which he puts onto others as easily as the council did to take leola away. leola's love for humans was real. aaravos' love for his daughter was not. had he loved her, he wouldn't be ruining the very beings she tried to help, but no, he punishes them for a decision made by a completely different group of people thousands of years ago. i hope she isn't still "alive" to see his destruction, because otherwise he would have promised her a "world of love" for nothing, and now she has to bear witness to all of his anger and blood-shed.
@@Nu_Wen the Council should have shown mercy to Leola though, she was a literal child, and implied to be ND coded also. I'm not saying what Aaravos is doing is right, but they ripped his whole world away despite his pleas. It would take the strongest of characters to not in some way snap from that.
To quote my grandfather "fear the wrath of a gentleman for once his gentleness is gone all there shall be is a chasm unending to be filled with the screams and agony of those who robbed him of his gentleness"
Which is why if I was a greek myth, and I got a prophecy that I didn't want, I'd just be like "Fuck it. I'm just going to enjoy life and wait till it happens"
naw, the devil laughs because he won. when a good man breaks he ceases to be a GOOD MAN. the devil doesn't give a flying rat's ass about his own safety, he LIVES in HELL. hell is just as much his own prison as it is everyone else's and he just LOVES to suck people "down to his level", if you understand what i mean. fun quote dude, but don't romanticize good men becoming violent. it doesn't solve their problems and it doesn't mean anything other than "a person who once valued goodness has now turned away from it."
celestials: why? GoW Zeus: Lets just say... *points kratos* see that man? he killed The Previous god of war just because he manuplated him to kill his daughter and wife. then he come to fuck us because i was an idiot
@@metal_gear_rayquaza8914 Celestials: what do you mean by... 'Exactly'? GoW Zeus: You see, there is a prophecy which states that the one who carries a mark on his skin will be the end of gods of my homeland. there was someone who was born with those scars. guess who is that man's brother? *points Kratos, Again.* when he became a god, he looked for his brother, found him, watched him die, and stopped following my will. i tried to kill him, but i learned that not even the HADES, the underworld, not the god; couldnt hold him. then we tried to make the Sisters of fate cut his life short. but they failed. then he used the Sisters powers to bring Titans to olympus and killed most of the gods one by one
@@wrigthtalekenavi2066 Crazy thing is they MADE Kratos the marked one! Ares kidnapped Krato's brother Demios. Kratos thinking he was dead got the red tattoos in the same places that as demios's birth marks. If they had never taken Demios, Kratos would have never gotten the tattoos or gone on to fulfill the prophecy. That's why I love the fates from the G.O.W Ragnarok! The explanation they give about knowing the future of God's and mortals lives because they are SO PREDICTABLE was so interesting to me! That the future was not set in stone, and to change it you just have to make different decisions than you usually would. Which is really hard when you do not know what decisions it is that is Dooming you in the first place, and difficult because changing as a person is never easy. That's one of the reasons Kratos has such a compelling and satisfying character arc. He grows and changes, by the end becoming a better person, a better friend, and most importantly a better father to Atreus.(Don't get me wrong he was not a bad father to begin with so don't @ me all angry 😅😇)
@@bonniestar4707Dude literally went and "cried me a river" or... Well, a lake. It's hard not to feel bad for that. It's mostly sad to watch because he seemed so sweet when he was with his daughter. He was kind to the human child, and seeing him as he is now is really tragic
Villian after going nuclear and destroying them: “What have you done? Order must-“! “There was no order. Only tyranny in the guise of guidance. If you want order, you need chaos. We must wipe the slate clean to begin again. But unlike them, I take no lives. Only theirs”.
@@TheMrPeteChannelI mean that is assuming they even did that,for all we know that's just a byproduct of their actions,like when they kill a startouched elf their sign falls from the sky or something,not that they did that specific part on purpose,just a byproduct of their actions
Right?! Like I would kind of understand it if she was teaching the humans genuinely dangerous magic, and they had warned Aaravos multiple times, but being sentenced to death because you taught some kids how to levitate a pebble one time is just ridiculous.
"she gave humans magic" is that truly so bad? truly? all of the conflict would have been avoided if the elves had just stopped gatekeeping. instead of starting war with humans over dark magic they could have tried teaching humans magic and helping them understand the arcanum.
@@bluebird1914I like to think Aravos introduced the humans to Dark Magic as revenge. After all, the first dark mage did say he was given the staff by one of the great ones. That probably being Aravos.
Worst decision they could have made. This is literally giving someone who is generally speaking a nice, gentle, law abiding person, their reason to start hating you and plotting against you.
poor leola. i stop feeling sorry for aaravos when i remember that this isn't what Leola would ever have wanted. he's killing his own daughter's memory, with his own two hands.
God this is what makes a perfect villain a perfect villain you give them 100% justifiable reasons for their actions while making said actions go against the protagonists own plans
Except no part of this is justifiable,he is using the death of his child,for a crime he and she knew about and could have easily just not committed mind you,to murder and destroy the lives of entire civilizations that had nothing to do with it,millions facing the same fate as his daughter and much worse who are completely innocent all by his hand for what,what's the point of it all,he isn't saving his daughter by doing it,he isn't hurting the council (unless he already killed them which is possible but by that point his current actions still wouldn't be hurting the council) he is doing nothing but lashing out at an entire world for the actions of like 5 beings noone else really ever saw or interacted with,that's like if I got mad at the angels guarding heavens gate so I went scorched earth and nuked the planet,it makes no sense and there is no point It it other than lashing out blindly in pain,if you want to see somewhere they did this type of plot in the way you are saying it would be the Netflix castlevania show,mind you I love this show and both are good his story is good too,but by no means are his actions even remotely justified
ugh, he is in no way justified. parents lose their kids all the time, are you going to say they are justified to now hurt everyone else because they are "sad"? the council deserved his wrath, not every single mortal who never had anything to do with his suffering. his anger is understandable, not justified. completely different. had the mortals been the ones to kill his daughter, he'd be a lot closer to be justified. had the losses been equal to the damages he causes, he'd be a lot closer to justified. but there is no justice in this. there is no justice in killing and torturing the very souls your own daughter tried to save.
@@Nu_Wen you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Losing a child is the worst pain a parent can go though. And he was imprisoned inside of his daughter's corpse for thousands of years
false. a future is one of many, and looking at one does not make it true or solidified. it is your actions that make it true. it can SEEM like you are on a path that can never be changed, but it's only because we tend to go in the direction we are looking. not because we could never be stopped to begin with. the moment you realise you can stop moving and change directions, is the moment you remember that your future is yours to choose. whatever comes your way, you can still choose your response to it.
@@Nu_Wen when the Schrödinger's box opened, the cat's destiny was fixed. For normal people, everything because there is a "cause", through a "process" leads to a "result", but for those who foresee the future, because they only know "results", don't know the "process", take the "result" as the "cause", after going through the "process", what you get back can only be the original "result". The prophet warned of a world-ending disaster, humanity tried to exploit and compete for all the resources to overcome that world-ending disaster, only to realize in the end that the disaster was caused by themselves when they exploit and compete for those resources; A man saw a future that he was going to die from being hit by a truck, he then stayed home the entire time to avoid being hit, but an out-of-control car crashed into his house and k*ll him while he was lying on the sofa at home during the time frame when he would have been at work if he hadn't been hiding in the house; Laius tried to change the fate of being killed by his son by trying to kill his own son, but in the end he could not change the fate. Trying to change the "result" when only the "result" is known will only lead to the known "result".
@@JamesJNothingIsTooSensitive For normal people, everything begin with a "cause", through a "process" and leads to a "result", but for those who foresee the future, because they only know "results", don't know the "process", take the "result" as the "cause", after going through the "process", what you get back can only be the original "result". The prophet warned of a world-ending disaster, humanity tried to exploit and compete for all the resources to overcome that world-ending disaster, only to realize in the end that the disaster was caused by themselves when they exploit and compete for those resources; A man saw that he was going to die from being hit by a truck, he then stayed home the entire time to avoid being hit, but an out-of-control car crashed into his house and k*ll him while he was lying on the sofa at home during the time frame when he would have been at work if he hadn't been hiding in the house; Laius tried to change the fate of being killed by his son by trying to k*ll his own son, but in the end he could not change his fate. Trying to change the "result" when only the "result" is known will only lead to the known "result".
There isn’t much a wise man fears for he knows how little there is to be Afraid of the unknown isn’t to be feared it’s what you know that should be feared. A wolf’s howl with no moon, a storm with no shore, a noise from a quiet mountain. War from the peaceful man.
“Sometimes the line between mercy and cruelty can be thin” this marked Aaravos so much he used it with Sol Regem. You can even see his reaction, in complete disbelief. This words really marked him and he never ever forgot them.
and just like that we can expect araavos to make a starelf killing spell based on the one that offed his daugther, use it on the concil, then calum kills him with it. and with space racists gone, humans inherit star magic
That would be crazy he dies to his own spell and us happy because it was the final piece. He knows that if humans have it, dark mages can use it to harvest start elves, it's the ultimate spell of he can die they can die and it disrupts the "natural order". Edit: Fixed poor spelling
I find that a lot of times and stories and myths that went someone or something tries to avoid a prophecy that's the surefire way of causing it to happen
Three things a person be they god or mortal should never do. 1. Kill a persons dog. Just don’t do it. John Wick Approved. 2. Kill their lover/soul mate/partner. Often times that one is the conscious of the “bad guy” and without them they have nothing holding them back. Like Dracula in Castlevania. 3. Never kill a parent’s child/children or a child’s parent. They are the reason that person lives. To see their legacy grow old and carry on or to show their parent love and care and even do or be better than they were. Taking that away is basically giving them a reason to go scorched earth and start their villain arc. Like what did they expect him to do oh yeah here have her go buck wild. Like no. Unless that parent is utter trash sure but he loved her and they took that away from him. Only got themselves to blame for that prophecy coming true.
John Wick it wasn't just the dog, First: his wife dies, Second; son of a former associate kills his dog (gifted to him by his dying wife), and Third; said son steals his car. 2) You're not only killing his dog, but a reminder of his dead wife 3) Target of scorched earth "Why did you tell my son to leave your shop?" "He killed John Wick's dog." Five second pause. "Oh."
I always wonder what the bad guys expect when they kill their enemy's only reason to live. Like... Now you gave them reason to fight with everything they got
They were afraid of humans having magic but Callum proved that they can do it on their own without the help of Leola. She was never the destroyer of the cosmic order. The council was. They sealed the fate of the world when they killed an innocent child and gave Aaravos a reason to want them all to burn.
They want to punish the child for what may come, while avoiding the fact that they too should be punished for what may come if such a thing is punishable.
no. just no. he has no right to be as evil as he is now. don't confuse being UNDERSTANDABLE with being JUSTIFIED. in no possible way would leola have ever wanted him to hurt the very people she was trying to help.
I do like past statements about how humans gained magic was from the “unicorns” but now that we know that her nickname was “unicorn” it makes the show a little more fun
@@zekecooper6055 tell that to the pantheons that have fallen. Nothing, and no one is all knowing or all powerful. Even the gods of today have flaws within their own writings. They may manipulate the fate of others, but they cannot manipulate their own. The fate of all gods is to be forgotten. For everything fades to time.
@@zekecooper6055 Yes, it is. But with time, it shall fade as all things do. Also, your God is not all knowing, nor all powerful. If they were, the would not need to say in Exodus 20:3, "You shall have no other gods before me." Your God is only a narcissistic manipulator who threw a temper tantrum so large that it flooded the world. But of course these words are in vain, for Christianity requires that the people who fallow its faith never question its truth or validity. All faiths have been strong, at one point or another, but they all fade. That is just the nature of all things no matter their size, power, or knowledge.
@hellflair8609 wow way to show u know nothing about Christianity or ✡️. he gave us free will. What we do with it is up to us, period. we are the sum of our choices, and we face punishment for our actions, and that is sometimes decades after he's warned us multiple times would happen. Yet u still call him narcissistic? It's well known he is a jealous and vengeful God just as much a merciful and loving one You sound far more narcissistic than the good book ever made him out too be 😆 🤣 😂
@@BenQ-vp9yh lol yeah, the seemingly omnipotent elf gods are a bunch of indifferent assholes disconnected from emotions and human attachments and the suffering they themselves are directly responsible for, SHOCKER 🙄
Considering in the pilot narration it's Aaravos reciting the arcanum and telling of the exile of humans from Xadia, to quote TriAngulum Audio Studios' opening to the Beta Canon videos; "take it with a grain of stardust"
I feel bad for him but I don’t exactly think this makes everything he did okay. He ruined countless lives, started wars, etc. All those people had nothing to do with the stupid council. The star elves did that. Not them. But now I do understand his actions.
You know... I used to think that they wouldn't show us Aaravos' story before he became a villain and the reason why he became one. But... Now that I've seen what happened to his daughter, it justifies all his actions for me. After all, who wouldn't go over to the dark side when the person dearest to you was taken away from you because of some law of the stars?
there’s nothing more painful for a parent than outliving your child, except watching your child be destroyed in front of you, helpless to stop it. Aaravos is fucked up but… I mean I can’t really blame him for dedicating his life to destroying those who helped take his daughter from him. what I still don’t get is why he also seems to want to destroy humanity when Leeola seemed to love it so much
Ah, another example of something i like to call "roundabout prophecy." This is what i use to describe a situation when i prophecy is inacted through the attempt to prevent the prophacy or punish those who are responsible for the prophecy. This is also a self fufilling prophecy. The one responsible for prodicted the prophecy are also the reason the prophecy is inacted.
The gods punishing a good heart who helped humanity. Humanity was forced to leave into a world full of sufferings, diseases, death and misery while the great gods don't do a thing to help them but they expect adoration and devotion. The gods, all of them in each story are worst.
The wild thing is, they could have just erased the human kid's memory of magic and the problem would have been solved. But they just jump straight to a horrific execution... Like, honestly, what the fuck?
Kinda funny how those knife ears wanna hog anything that keeps them in power all to themselves! If they shared the magic or even just the knowledge of how to use said magic then this wouldn't have happened. Never trust an Elf, especially High Elves!
Aaravos to Sol Regem: The line between mercy and cruelty can be thin The Merciful One: Perhaps we can show mercy Startouch Councilor: Sometimes the line between mercy and cruelty can be thin
I was getting so stressed during his backstory because I WAS TORN BETWEEN CRYING AND BELIEVING HIM OR IF IT WAS JUST A STORY HE MADE UP TO MANIPULATE CLAUDIA 😭😭😭
Leota deserved so much better than that. All she wanted was peace. She was such a happy child, and had dreams, and aspirations, and the council killed her because she gave magic to humans? It sounds like you’re scared of a group of people having more power than you. You are willing to kill an innocent child because you found out humans now have 0.0000001% of cosmic power in their hands? Cowards.
So because something your daughter did might have consequences that are nebulus and undetermined. We have elected to kill/possibly erase her from exsistance, and out version of mercy is that we will allow you to also be killed with her if that is what you so chose. ...I find this compelling. But i cant help but feel like this show has no idea what is doing and where it wants to go.
I have to agree, a lot of things don't make sense in this show. Like, why does the King of Katolis apparently have no money whatsoever and has to beg people for help all the time? What was the point of Claudia leaving Terry just to be reunited the next scene with no explaination? Why have the characters go on a long journey to find a pearl that was perfectly hidden just to have it sit around Katolis where it was no longer hidden and easily reachable for anyone? Why is Callum the one switching the real pearl with the fake pearl when he was the only one possibly controlled by Aravos? And many more. The writing certainly left me confused a few times. Also why is the prince of the dragons reduced to nothing more than a dog-like comedic relief and why tf can he not talk? Shouldn't he also do something special, seeing how he is literally the title of the show? Oof
I know she broke a cosmic rule, but especially considering these beans are smart, shouldn't, their main concern be fixing the problem rather than punishing a young girl for being a lil ignorant?
That's like walking up to god and telling him to change his mind about your loved one dying. He sees everything, and one life is literally meaningless compared to the lives of all others.. no one should expect mercy from beings who dont understand humanoid emotions.
Aaravos: The Cosmic Justice Court murdered my daughter, so I'm going to get revenge. Terry: Sounds reasonable. You're going to kill the Court then? Aaravos: I mean, eventually. But first I'm going to murder everyone else in the world, including millions, possibly billions, of children. Claudia: Makes sense. Terry: No, it doesn't.
"accused of breaking the cosmic order" Ah yes, the order of the cosmos. The extremely far reaching order of the cosmos and definition of how the world works. That thing that is apparently so fragile that a little girl playing can destroy it irrevocably. I'm with Aaravos on this one they can all go supernova thanks
Y’know, just once I’d like to see a story in which the big turning point isn’t whether somebody did or didn’t do something monumentally stupid in response to some prophecy or foresight. Prophecy/foresight is not a very good literary device because the moment it’s introduced writers are compelled to either restrain reason to the scope that prophecy allows and thereby constrain the story and characters or else subvert prophecy somehow and thereby invalidate both the reason for its presence and everything it was directly attached to.
Just because I understand him doesn’t mean I have to forgive him. He could have done any number of things for revenge but he chose to bring the whole world into his suffering. Personally I would have gone for the star elf’s themselves and destroyed there reputation, legacy, influence, power, and future. Leaving them as a broken people who would ether go feral or be the punching bags of every other race. Then leave the ledgers of what happened to them as a warning for any who may try to repeat the council’s actions
The council set the prophecy in motion. Had they left Leola alone, all the destruction Aaravos caused would've never happened.
They be fumbling
No wonder why he was on the road to retribution, thanks to this council they took very dear to him and now he would never see his beloved daughter again!
He lost everything but grief, rage, pain, and revenge!
And that's what they call a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Powers that Be don't need to manipulate things. Both mortals and immortals do so all by themselves.
That is the lesson we learn from Odin and Fenrir. To prevent Ragnarok, Odin chained up the friendly hound, but in doing so he assured that Ragnarok would occur.
@@ragingphantom plus tossing the Giant sna,k small at the time, jmto the Ocean and placing Hel in the underworld, or the Norse's version of it
Council: she disrupted the balance of life
Aavaros: Oh ill show disruption
That is what I thought when I heard that😂
Why a young child? She is no older than 7, or 9.
Aaravos is like: So you've chosen chaos and death
“We call that star ‘Leolas last wish..’”BRO THEY DIDNT HAVE TO MAKE A WHOLE BACKSTORY THAT MADE US CRY! 😭
Yeah when I rewatched that my jaw dropped! Her last wish was for her to probably stay with her father, I hope at least both of them get a happy ending
@@Nacho23672 fr :(
Christ I cried so hard when I saw it
@@astrayblackcat real
@Nacho23672 so wouldn't him and the blonde guy relate more
You know what, him basically becoming a world ending threat is justified
To save my child. Most of us would follow that path
No, it's not and you're messed up if you truly think it does.
@@efaristi9737 what the original comment means is that their mercy was not mercy they killed his child over an act of kindness they were the problem and Aaravos had every right to want to destroy them for her.
@@lyrainvisa6880 that's debatable, as cruel as it seems, the execution might not be without reasons.
I want to know how humans learning magic unbalance the cosmic order before making judgement. Is it referring to dark magic or is something darker coming up ?
Also, do remember that Aaravos is a liar and a manipulator, nothing proves that what he said is the truth and not a lie to convince Claudia to help him.
@@efaristi9737 I think the best way to tell if he's lying is his body language when he's actually talking about it with someone else because that's a pretty good indicator because no matter how good of an actor you are something will give you away. Though you do make a really good point but if his story is true then I can understand why he's so hell bent on revenge I don't necessarily agree with everything he's done but if the story is true it's easier to understand why he's doing it as opposed to if he's just doing it because he can (we've also got to remember this is supposed to be a children's show so their most likely is a reason).
The Council should've known better than to mess with a protective loving parent.
Specially a very knowledgeable powerful one.
@@eggsnspam exactly 💯!
Like with kratos and the gods
... the council shouldn't have to fear their own citizens for doing the job they were made for.
aaravos needs to grow up and remember that "lesser" races experience death all the time. a burden of which he puts onto others as easily as the council did to take leola away.
leola's love for humans was real. aaravos' love for his daughter was not.
had he loved her, he wouldn't be ruining the very beings she tried to help, but no, he punishes them for a decision made by a completely different group of people thousands of years ago.
i hope she isn't still "alive" to see his destruction, because otherwise he would have promised her a "world of love" for nothing, and now she has to bear witness to all of his anger and blood-shed.
@@Nu_Wen the Council should have shown mercy to Leola though, she was a literal child, and implied to be ND coded also. I'm not saying what Aaravos is doing is right, but they ripped his whole world away despite his pleas. It would take the strongest of characters to not in some way snap from that.
There are three things all wise men fear a storm at sea, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man
Great quote
To quote my grandfather "fear the wrath of a gentleman for once his gentleness is gone all there shall be is a chasm unending to be filled with the screams and agony of those who robbed him of his gentleness"
i see you're man of culture
The thing a person can do is make a goof man go to war. Am i right
@@Kingofdeadpool that is true
"One often finds his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it"
well said.
BOZ flashbacks 💀
Kung fu panda
What was his name? Master Oogway!!!
It’s funny how so many people who try to prevent prophecy the most are the ones who actually make it happen
It happens in so many shows one example is BBC Merlin.
"We often meet our destiny on the road we choose to avoid it" - Master Oogway
it´s a normalized lesson for cultures that believe in destiny
It's called self proclaiming prophecy
Which is why if I was a greek myth, and I got a prophecy that I didn't want, I'd just be like "Fuck it. I'm just going to enjoy life and wait till it happens"
I've said it before and I'll say it again "when a good man breaks, the devil shivers."
Demons run when a good man goes to war
Funny thing is it's exactly the opposite
I need a remember that phrase Dang!
Hypothetically 😅
naw, the devil laughs because he won. when a good man breaks he ceases to be a GOOD MAN. the devil doesn't give a flying rat's ass about his own safety, he LIVES in HELL.
hell is just as much his own prison as it is everyone else's and he just LOVES to suck people "down to his level", if you understand what i mean.
fun quote dude, but don't romanticize good men becoming violent. it doesn't solve their problems and it doesn't mean anything other than "a person who once valued goodness has now turned away from it."
"Oh Hey we murdered a man's daughter That can't go wrong right He totally won't hunt us down until every one of us is no longer in existence"
Council should have recognized that a father willing to sacrifice his life for a child is an indication to cancel the prosecution
Y aún decían que era algo inesperado 😅
The monster they feared creating in humanity was created within their own race and by their own actions
GOW Zeus: "Well you're all fucked..."
celestials: why?
GoW Zeus: Lets just say... *points kratos* see that man? he killed The Previous god of war just because he manuplated him to kill his daughter and wife. then he come to fuck us because i was an idiot
@@wrigthtalekenavi2066 Celestials: "We did what was necessary to stop a foreboding prophecy."
GOW Zeus: "Exactly..."
@@metal_gear_rayquaza8914 Celestials: what do you mean by... 'Exactly'?
GoW Zeus: You see, there is a prophecy which states that the one who carries a mark on his skin will be the end of gods of my homeland. there was someone who was born with those scars. guess who is that man's brother? *points Kratos, Again.* when he became a god, he looked for his brother, found him, watched him die, and stopped following my will. i tried to kill him, but i learned that not even the HADES, the underworld, not the god; couldnt hold him. then we tried to make the Sisters of fate cut his life short. but they failed. then he used the Sisters powers to bring Titans to olympus and killed most of the gods one by one
@@metal_gear_rayquaza8914 Astoria:Fate's Kiss... Specifically Astraeus's route. (I miss Lovestruck, and wanted more Astraeus content)
@@wrigthtalekenavi2066 Crazy thing is they MADE Kratos the marked one! Ares kidnapped Krato's brother Demios.
Kratos thinking he was dead got the red tattoos in the same places that as demios's birth marks.
If they had never taken Demios, Kratos would have never gotten the tattoos or gone on to fulfill the prophecy.
That's why I love the fates from the G.O.W Ragnarok! The explanation they give about knowing the future of God's and mortals lives because they are SO PREDICTABLE was so interesting to me!
That the future was not set in stone, and to change it you just have to make different decisions than you usually would. Which is really hard when you do not know what decisions it is that is Dooming you in the first place, and difficult because changing as a person is never easy.
That's one of the reasons Kratos has such a compelling and satisfying character arc. He grows and changes, by the end becoming a better person, a better friend, and most importantly a better father to Atreus.(Don't get me wrong he was not a bad father to begin with so don't @ me all angry 😅😇)
The self fulfilling prophecy catalysed by fear
"Many find their destiny on the route they take to avoid it."
It’s like the Jedi all over again
@@_blooky5970 or Kung Fu Panda
They didn't realize the ones posing the greatest threat was none other than themselves
this whole episode i was screaming"lord i cannot start feeling bad for him"
I bet you did feel bad for him though
@@bonniestar4707Dude literally went and "cried me a river" or... Well, a lake. It's hard not to feel bad for that.
It's mostly sad to watch because he seemed so sweet when he was with his daughter. He was kind to the human child, and seeing him as he is now is really tragic
I feels like there could have been a better solution, and the council just decided to go nuclear
They also slammed her into Xadia killing thousands of lifeforms.
Villian after going nuclear and destroying them: “What have you done? Order must-“!
“There was no order. Only tyranny in the guise of guidance. If you want order, you need chaos. We must wipe the slate clean to begin again. But unlike them, I take no lives. Only theirs”.
@@TheMrPeteChannelI mean that is assuming they even did that,for all we know that's just a byproduct of their actions,like when they kill a startouched elf their sign falls from the sky or something,not that they did that specific part on purpose,just a byproduct of their actions
Right?!
Like I would kind of understand it if she was teaching the humans genuinely dangerous magic, and they had warned Aaravos multiple times, but being sentenced to death because you taught some kids how to levitate a pebble one time is just ridiculous.
@bowsreal7079 does it matter,not really. Their actions still caused it, negligent homicide
"she gave humans magic" is that truly so bad? truly? all of the conflict would have been avoided if the elves had just stopped gatekeeping. instead of starting war with humans over dark magic they could have tried teaching humans magic and helping them understand the arcanum.
its funny that's the same lesson learned in the first black panther movie with magic being vibranium instead.
Council members fucked up when they hurt Papa Wolf’s innocent pup and sparked the predator’s rage
Actually.
For all we know, if they didn't gatekeep magic then humans wouldn't have ended up discovering dark magic in the first place.
This is why gatekeeping is dangerous
@@bluebird1914I like to think Aravos introduced the humans to Dark Magic as revenge. After all, the first dark mage did say he was given the staff by one of the great ones. That probably being Aravos.
Worst decision they could have made. This is literally giving someone who is generally speaking a nice, gentle, law abiding person, their reason to start hating you and plotting against you.
New Ascension perk unlocked, BECOME THE CRISIS
Aye, fellow stellaris player
"Even the devil fears the wrath of a good man"-
they say villains aren't born they're made
And its true
Poor Leola and Aaravos .... And the star named "Leolas last wish" ...
poor leola. i stop feeling sorry for aaravos when i remember that this isn't what Leola would ever have wanted.
he's killing his own daughter's memory, with his own two hands.
@@Nu_WenI still feel bad for Aravos. He's so lost in his grief he can't see reason and turned it into rage.
God this is what makes a perfect villain a perfect villain you give them 100% justifiable reasons for their actions while making said actions go against the protagonists own plans
Where is the justification in this dumbas
Except no part of this is justifiable,he is using the death of his child,for a crime he and she knew about and could have easily just not committed mind you,to murder and destroy the lives of entire civilizations that had nothing to do with it,millions facing the same fate as his daughter and much worse who are completely innocent all by his hand for what,what's the point of it all,he isn't saving his daughter by doing it,he isn't hurting the council (unless he already killed them which is possible but by that point his current actions still wouldn't be hurting the council) he is doing nothing but lashing out at an entire world for the actions of like 5 beings noone else really ever saw or interacted with,that's like if I got mad at the angels guarding heavens gate so I went scorched earth and nuked the planet,it makes no sense and there is no point It it other than lashing out blindly in pain,if you want to see somewhere they did this type of plot in the way you are saying it would be the Netflix castlevania show,mind you I love this show and both are good his story is good too,but by no means are his actions even remotely justified
ugh, he is in no way justified. parents lose their kids all the time, are you going to say they are justified to now hurt everyone else because they are "sad"?
the council deserved his wrath, not every single mortal who never had anything to do with his suffering.
his anger is understandable, not justified. completely different.
had the mortals been the ones to kill his daughter, he'd be a lot closer to be justified. had the losses been equal to the damages he causes, he'd be a lot closer to justified.
but there is no justice in this.
there is no justice in killing and torturing the very souls your own daughter tried to save.
@@Nu_Wen you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Losing a child is the worst pain a parent can go though. And he was imprisoned inside of his daughter's corpse for thousands of years
Devils run when a good man goes to war.
And we thought _he_ was evil! …There’s always a bigger fish
Ohhhh I just realised is the council gunna be mad at Callum
No doubt they’d be dumbfounded
They’re going to try and strip him of his magic 100%
there was another primal source mage before callum, so humans can use magic if they understand it, probably she gave humans magic
I one hundred percent would have done the same thing. If god wants my daughter dead then he gonna have to square up.
His fall out was justified, I would have lost my shit to.
Why they don't understand the simple fact: The moment you look at the future, the moment it become one and only future, and no one can change it
false. a future is one of many, and looking at one does not make it true or solidified. it is your actions that make it true. it can SEEM like you are on a path that can never be changed, but it's only because we tend to go in the direction we are looking. not because we could never be stopped to begin with.
the moment you realise you can stop moving and change directions, is the moment you remember that your future is yours to choose. whatever comes your way, you can still choose your response to it.
@@Nu_Wen when the Schrödinger's box opened, the cat's destiny was fixed. For normal people, everything because there is a "cause", through a "process" leads to a "result", but for those who foresee the future, because they only know "results", don't know the "process", take the "result" as the "cause", after going through the "process", what you get back can only be the original "result".
The prophet warned of a world-ending disaster, humanity tried to exploit and compete for all the resources to overcome that world-ending disaster, only to realize in the end that the disaster was caused by themselves when they exploit and compete for those resources; A man saw a future that he was going to die from being hit by a truck, he then stayed home the entire time to avoid being hit, but an out-of-control car crashed into his house and k*ll him while he was lying on the sofa at home during the time frame when he would have been at work if he hadn't been hiding in the house; Laius tried to change the fate of being killed by his son by trying to kill his own son, but in the end he could not change the fate. Trying to change the "result" when only the "result" is known will only lead to the known "result".
Because you have no clue what you're talking about, that's why. Instead making BS rules in your own head based on fantasy movies.
@@JamesJNothingIsTooSensitive For normal people, everything begin with a "cause", through a "process" and leads to a "result", but for those who foresee the future, because they only know "results", don't know the "process", take the "result" as the "cause", after going through the "process", what you get back can only be the original "result".
The prophet warned of a world-ending disaster, humanity tried to exploit and compete for all the resources to overcome that world-ending disaster, only to realize in the end that the disaster was caused by themselves when they exploit and compete for those resources; A man saw that he was going to die from being hit by a truck, he then stayed home the entire time to avoid being hit, but an out-of-control car crashed into his house and k*ll him while he was lying on the sofa at home during the time frame when he would have been at work if he hadn't been hiding in the house; Laius tried to change the fate of being killed by his son by trying to k*ll his own son, but in the end he could not change his fate. Trying to change the "result" when only the "result" is known will only lead to the known "result".
There isn’t much a wise man fears for he knows how little there is to be Afraid of the unknown isn’t to be feared it’s what you know that should be feared. A wolf’s howl with no moon, a storm with no shore, a noise from a quiet mountain. War from the peaceful man.
The way my jaw *DROPPED* at the end
“Sometimes the line between mercy and cruelty can be thin” this marked Aaravos so much he used it with Sol Regem. You can even see his reaction, in complete disbelief. This words really marked him and he never ever forgot them.
and just like that we can expect araavos to make a starelf killing spell based on the one that offed his daugther, use it on the concil, then calum kills him with it.
and with space racists gone, humans inherit star magic
That would be crazy he dies to his own spell and us happy because it was the final piece. He knows that if humans have it, dark mages can use it to harvest start elves, it's the ultimate spell of he can die they can die and it disrupts the "natural order".
Edit: Fixed poor spelling
Space racists lol
I find that a lot of times and stories and myths that went someone or something tries to avoid a prophecy that's the surefire way of causing it to happen
Three things a person be they god or mortal should never do.
1. Kill a persons dog. Just don’t do it. John Wick Approved.
2. Kill their lover/soul mate/partner. Often times that one is the conscious of the “bad guy” and without them they have nothing holding them back. Like Dracula in Castlevania.
3. Never kill a parent’s child/children or a child’s parent. They are the reason that person lives. To see their legacy grow old and carry on or to show their parent love and care and even do or be better than they were. Taking that away is basically giving them a reason to go scorched earth and start their villain arc.
Like what did they expect him to do oh yeah here have her go buck wild. Like no. Unless that parent is utter trash sure but he loved her and they took that away from him. Only got themselves to blame for that prophecy coming true.
John Wick it wasn't just the dog, First: his wife dies, Second; son of a former associate kills his dog (gifted to him by his dying wife), and Third; said son steals his car.
2) You're not only killing his dog, but a reminder of his dead wife
3) Target of scorched earth
"Why did you tell my son to leave your shop?" "He killed John Wick's dog." Five second pause. "Oh."
I always wonder what the bad guys expect when they kill their enemy's only reason to live. Like... Now you gave them reason to fight with everything they got
They were afraid of humans having magic but Callum proved that they can do it on their own without the help of Leola. She was never the destroyer of the cosmic order. The council was. They sealed the fate of the world when they killed an innocent child and gave Aaravos a reason to want them all to burn.
They want to punish the child for what may come, while avoiding the fact that they too should be punished for what may come if such a thing is punishable.
Ah, the trope of creating the monster you avoid
He has EVERY right to be as evil as he is now.
no. just no. he has no right to be as evil as he is now. don't confuse being UNDERSTANDABLE with being JUSTIFIED.
in no possible way would leola have ever wanted him to hurt the very people she was trying to help.
🤓
Now this is what we call… a self fulfilling prophecy
little girl: gives humanity magic
gets killed
Humanity: AND I TOOK THAT PERSONALLY
I do like past statements about how humans gained magic was from the “unicorns” but now that we know that her nickname was “unicorn” it makes the show a little more fun
Now I do wanna see him shattering the council into stardust
I'm honestly surprised that wasn't his goal in season 7.
The gods often have prophecy, but they too walk to it just as blindly as any mortal.
They are not gods just higher beings true God is all knowing and omnipresent and they are ignorant and fearful
@@zekecooper6055 tell that to the pantheons that have fallen. Nothing, and no one is all knowing or all powerful. Even the gods of today have flaws within their own writings. They may manipulate the fate of others, but they cannot manipulate their own. The fate of all gods is to be forgotten. For everything fades to time.
@hellflair8609 really cause Christianity is still going strong, and our god is all-knowing, and only he knows the end of the story
@@zekecooper6055 Yes, it is. But with time, it shall fade as all things do. Also, your God is not all knowing, nor all powerful. If they were, the would not need to say in Exodus 20:3, "You shall have no other gods before me." Your God is only a narcissistic manipulator who threw a temper tantrum so large that it flooded the world. But of course these words are in vain, for Christianity requires that the people who fallow its faith never question its truth or validity. All faiths have been strong, at one point or another, but they all fade. That is just the nature of all things no matter their size, power, or knowledge.
@hellflair8609 wow way to show u know nothing about Christianity or ✡️. he gave us free will. What we do with it is up to us, period.
we are the sum of our choices, and we face punishment for our actions, and that is sometimes decades after he's warned us multiple times would happen.
Yet u still call him narcissistic? It's well known he is a jealous and vengeful God just as much a merciful and loving one
You sound far more narcissistic than the good book ever made him out too be 😆 🤣 😂
JUSTICE FOR LEOLA!
Like 95% of the fan base after watching this episode are 100% on Aaravos’ side
How can't you be?
@@BenQ-vp9yh lol yeah, the seemingly omnipotent elf gods are a bunch of indifferent assholes disconnected from emotions and human attachments and the suffering they themselves are directly responsible for, SHOCKER 🙄
the other 5% were already on his side because he’s hot
@@dungeonroomba eehhh………..you’re not wrong.🤔
@dungeonroomba there are only three constants in life:
1.death
2.taxes
3.aaravos is the hottest character in fiction and in real life
I love how everyone was so agressivly hating on Aarevos for being a Cazador level threat but now we are all just like Respect
said it before, i'll say it again: this is HIM telling the story. there might be more to it that he hasn't mentioned. he is NOT a relibale narrator.
Considering in the pilot narration it's Aaravos reciting the arcanum and telling of the exile of humans from Xadia, to quote TriAngulum Audio Studios' opening to the Beta Canon videos; "take it with a grain of stardust"
when a law is held blindly it chains us all and binds us all as slaves . a law is to help never to hurt .
I feel bad for him but I don’t exactly think this makes everything he did okay. He ruined countless lives, started wars, etc. All those people had nothing to do with the stupid council. The star elves did that. Not them. But now I do understand his actions.
And this is we’re it started…
y'know where Leola does the flappy hand thing and covers her ears when the cosmic council speaks? Yeah. The studio confirmed that Leola was autistic.
Cool
You know... I used to think that they wouldn't show us Aaravos' story before he became a villain and the reason why he became one. But... Now that I've seen what happened to his daughter, it justifies all his actions for me. After all, who wouldn't go over to the dark side when the person dearest to you was taken away from you because of some law of the stars?
Aaravos was a happy father and elf if they not have taken away his daughter he would not be the villain he is today
Aaravos and Dracula would be best of friends.
there’s nothing more painful for a parent than outliving your child, except watching your child be destroyed in front of you, helpless to stop it. Aaravos is fucked up but… I mean I can’t really blame him for dedicating his life to destroying those who helped take his daughter from him. what I still don’t get is why he also seems to want to destroy humanity when Leeola seemed to love it so much
Ah, another example of something i like to call "roundabout prophecy." This is what i use to describe a situation when i prophecy is inacted through the attempt to prevent the prophacy or punish those who are responsible for the prophecy. This is also a self fufilling prophecy. The one responsible for prodicted the prophecy are also the reason the prophecy is inacted.
They killed Leola just like that even tho she is a child. And then Aaravos started giving dark magic to humans. And how is he still alive.
I think she did do it, but to kill her over that? Crazy
it is
Couldn’t they have tried letting her off with a warning
These severance packages are brutal.
The gods punishing a good heart who helped humanity. Humanity was forced to leave into a world full of sufferings, diseases, death and misery while the great gods don't do a thing to help them but they expect adoration and devotion. The gods, all of them in each story are worst.
Nah my heart broke they took the one good thing in his life and are suffering the consequences
Well the good Aaravos died along his daughter, what's living is just a broken husk full of hate.
The wild thing is, they could have just erased the human kid's memory of magic and the problem would have been solved.
But they just jump straight to a horrific execution...
Like, honestly, what the fuck?
"What the fuck" is a great way to put it
Or let Leola of with a warning.
This story made me cry so bad
Did they ever think of just taking the magic back from humans, some beings can just be so stupid.🤦🏾♀️
Bro I was screaming during this episode to not make me like the villain, but I couldn’t help myself 😭😭 this is so sad
Kinda funny how those knife ears wanna hog anything that keeps them in power all to themselves! If they shared the magic or even just the knowledge of how to use said magic then this wouldn't have happened. Never trust an Elf, especially High Elves!
The Dwarves in Warhammer fantasy had paid the price that is why I always initiate war of the beard never trust pointy ears
Damn pointy-eared leaf-lovers!
you know what the council doesnt deserve to be if they only choose to punish a child.
Aaravos to Sol Regem: The line between mercy and cruelty can be thin
The Merciful One: Perhaps we can show mercy
Startouch Councilor: Sometimes the line between mercy and cruelty can be thin
I was getting so stressed during his backstory because I WAS TORN BETWEEN CRYING AND BELIEVING HIM OR IF IT WAS JUST A STORY HE MADE UP TO MANIPULATE CLAUDIA 😭😭😭
As Poseidon said "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves" honestly, that's fucked, it's not right.
Also in all his years of living it isn't very often that he gets pissed off~!
Leota deserved so much better than that. All she wanted was peace. She was such a happy child, and had dreams, and aspirations, and the council killed her because she gave magic to humans? It sounds like you’re scared of a group of people having more power than you. You are willing to kill an innocent child because you found out humans now have 0.0000001% of cosmic power in their hands? Cowards.
So because something your daughter did might have consequences that are nebulus and undetermined. We have elected to kill/possibly erase her from exsistance, and out version of mercy is that we will allow you to also be killed with her if that is what you so chose.
...I find this compelling. But i cant help but feel like this show has no idea what is doing and where it wants to go.
No, the star council is just fucking stupid and aaravos should kratos tf out of them and then use last quasar to revive leola
I have to agree, a lot of things don't make sense in this show.
Like, why does the King of Katolis apparently have no money whatsoever and has to beg people for help all the time?
What was the point of Claudia leaving Terry just to be reunited the next scene with no explaination?
Why have the characters go on a long journey to find a pearl that was perfectly hidden just to have it sit around Katolis where it was no longer hidden and easily reachable for anyone?
Why is Callum the one switching the real pearl with the fake pearl when he was the only one possibly controlled by Aravos?
And many more. The writing certainly left me confused a few times.
Also why is the prince of the dragons reduced to nothing more than a dog-like comedic relief and why tf can he not talk? Shouldn't he also do something special, seeing how he is literally the title of the show? Oof
if aaravos wants to burn everything, I'll bring the matches
Fancy man ❤
Aravos may be bad but like he's a good parent. Also hes really fancy so even if he was 100% evil i would love him
The words i been heard about it true... villain was made not born.
Wow i can understand his villan arc now. If my daughter was taken i would initiate a Scorched Earth policy.
I know she broke a cosmic rule, but especially considering these beans are smart, shouldn't, their main concern be fixing the problem rather than punishing a young girl for being a lil ignorant?
Self-fulfilling prophecy. They created their doom with this act
Learning about this hit pretty hard.
It was in this episode thst i realized who the real villains were, Justice for Leola!
"You have seen what we have all seen, Aaravos." That's some Shakespearian level irony right there.
mercy? MERCY? MERCY?! You think giving me the opportunity to die along my child is mercy? The start touched elves can rot in hell
That's like walking up to god and telling him to change his mind about your loved one dying. He sees everything, and one life is literally meaningless compared to the lives of all others.. no one should expect mercy from beings who dont understand humanoid emotions.
YESSS DRAGON PRINCE REFERENCE. MOST GOATED SHOW EVER
she has given magic to humans,
what if she had given magic to callum's older parents. and that is why callum can use it.
He's not a villain, just a grieving father.
Wannabe gods just never learn.
*NEVER EVER KILL THE CHILD.*
Real modern Oedipus, this council.
Aaravos: The Cosmic Justice Court murdered my daughter, so I'm going to get revenge.
Terry: Sounds reasonable. You're going to kill the Court then?
Aaravos: I mean, eventually. But first I'm going to murder everyone else in the world, including millions, possibly billions, of children.
Claudia: Makes sense.
Terry: No, it doesn't.
The way I gasp, my heart was torn then shredded
Aaravos had every right to become a villian after that
"accused of breaking the cosmic order"
Ah yes, the order of the cosmos. The extremely far reaching order of the cosmos and definition of how the world works. That thing that is apparently so fragile that a little girl playing can destroy it irrevocably. I'm with Aaravos on this one they can all go supernova thanks
That cut off was hilarious
Conversations like this are happening all the time above our heads
I hope rayla uses the last Dimond to save her in season 7
Leola you mean?
Y’know, just once I’d like to see a story in which the big turning point isn’t whether somebody did or didn’t do something monumentally stupid in response to some prophecy or foresight. Prophecy/foresight is not a very good literary device because the moment it’s introduced writers are compelled to either restrain reason to the scope that prophecy allows and thereby constrain the story and characters or else subvert prophecy somehow and thereby invalidate both the reason for its presence and everything it was directly attached to.
Just because I understand him doesn’t mean I have to forgive him. He could have done any number of things for revenge but he chose to bring the whole world into his suffering. Personally I would have gone for the star elf’s themselves and destroyed there reputation, legacy, influence, power, and future. Leaving them as a broken people who would ether go feral or be the punching bags of every other race. Then leave the ledgers of what happened to them as a warning for any who may try to repeat the council’s actions
Not everyone is like you. Get over it.
They set up their own fall...
Now I hope Aaravos wins.
Those who try to avoid fate end up meeting it all the same