The Brilliance of IDW's Sonic Characters

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @Shonenboiss
    @Shonenboiss Месяц назад +108

    I’ve actually been rereading the early Sonic Idw issues and dude it’s just awesome remembering why I fell in love with both the characterization of both the game characters and original characters in IDW

    • @BrandonScott-mi5pz
      @BrandonScott-mi5pz Месяц назад +1

      GREAT SONIC THEORY THE BRILLIANCE OF IDW SONIC CHARACTERS,

  • @garrettviewegh9028
    @garrettviewegh9028 Месяц назад +66

    After Surge and Kit REALLY mess things up and almost endanger the world: *gets beaten and kidnapped by Shadow* “I could, and WOULD end you now. But, I see myself in you two. So, you have two options. You follow me, and do everything I say. And maybe, just maybe, you’ll become something more. A person, maybe a hero, you yourself can be proud of. Or, you give me a reason. And I’ll put you in the ground. So, option A? Or option B”?

    • @jackagonis9302
      @jackagonis9302 Месяц назад +11

      They really do need to talk to the people that sonic redeemed in the past, it may help them with their perspectives.

    • @Justin-qj7fk
      @Justin-qj7fk 26 дней назад +8

      Feels a bit much for Shadow (particularly the “I’ll put you in the ground” bit), but I love the idea of Surge and Kit being the villains of the next Shadow game (if we do get another one).

    • @moathalmaghlouth8262
      @moathalmaghlouth8262 23 дня назад +4

      @@jackagonis9302yeah I can find that as very interesting for them to learn more about sonics friends

    • @Tharja-iBW
      @Tharja-iBW 19 дней назад +2

      ​@@Justin-qj7fknah out of all characters shadow would absolutely kill. That's what makes him and Sonic different, Shadow will do whatever is necessary to keep the peace, even kill.

  • @garrettviewegh9028
    @garrettviewegh9028 Месяц назад +52

    The thing Surge doesn’t get, is that Sonic doesn’t let Eggman live to receive praise. It’s because he believes the doctor’s capable of change. While Eggman won’t end Sonic, because it’s a game to him. A game he will win, by beating Sonic, and making sure the world knows it as a fact! Both hero and villian has admitted they could end each other easily. But they don’t, because of their ideals and values. Surge just sees it as a pointless cycle that’s become her limbo. That she’s stuck in. How’s she going to end it to get closure and move on? Murdering Sonic and Eggman. But, the problem with that, is that she thinks that’s her choice. She may be doing it for different reasons. But she’s still carrying out the outline of Starline’s plan: upend the status quo, by taking Eggman and Sonic out of the picture. She isn’t living for herself. She’s still living for others. For the wrong reasons. But, if Eggman or Sonic got serious, they could easily end the duo. Half the cast could. She just doesn’t realize that Sonic, Eggman, Shadow, Knuckles and the others *allow* her to live. And Shadow could be the only one to wake her up and help her find her path. She just doesn’t realize she has her own agency. That she has a choice.

    • @giovonniiclayton
      @giovonniiclayton Месяц назад +5

      Sonics logic doesn’t work since this eggman has crossed the line even if he did turned a new leaf he would still be thrown in prison by humanity and the sonics species and we know sega won’t let that happen which is why while I find these characters and stories interesting the sonic franchise is a floating timeline

    • @garrettviewegh9028
      @garrettviewegh9028 Месяц назад +8

      @@giovonniiclayton You do have a good point. This Eggman started a zombie apocalypse, had no contingency plan for himself getting infected or the virus mutating beyond his control. And, he almost killed everyone. If Silver’s future is as metallic and lifeless as he said, it could be that every Zombot suffered the same fate all zombies do: decomposing to nothing. Except, maybe just turning into metallic goo. Either way, yeah, you do get the impression GUN, if there were any remnants left would execute Ivo. Just as they did to his grandfather. Unless Whisper did it herself. Still, even if Surge and Kit killed off Eggman and Sonic, there’d be other threats, worse ones, that could take his place. Yeah, Sonic’s friends could handle things, but if the Deadly Six, Dark Gaia, or some other threat came along that only Sonic could stop, there’s only two people everyone would blame and throw to the slaughter: Surge and Kit. Would this be enough for someone like Shadow or Whisper to kill the duo for endangering the world? Maybe. In almost every scenario, Surge and Kit are screwed if they continue down this path. But, I feel the only one that could save this from themselves, would be Shadow. After all, Sage would also pull a Skynet/SHODAN, of Surge murdered her dad. Revenge begets revenge, they’re only on a path of self destruction. And maybe Sonic’s logic is flawed. But they’ll be praying for mercy just like Eggman if Sonic throw away his principles.

  • @pigifi
    @pigifi Месяц назад +41

    Mimic is actually a reference to Decoy Octopus of FOXHOUND of Metal Gear Solid, an actor who is recruited by the CIA for his mimicry skills. The other Diamond Cutters were based on other FOXHOUND members as well.
    Smithy - Vulcan Raven (largest member of the group armed with a Gatling gun-like weapon)
    Claire Voyance - Psycho Mantis (psychic member)
    Slinger the Ocelot - Revolver Ocelot (revolver fanatic and an actual ocelot)
    Whisper - Sniper Wolf (kinda obvious, don't you think?)

  • @springtrap9038
    @springtrap9038 Месяц назад +32

    i think what IDW did with sonic, did not only do great, but outright shatter what archie comics did with the sonic cast, mecha sonic MK2, mimic, knuckles, surge, they are all examples of character development, thats the greatest thing IDW did not only great, but overthrows archie comics as the supreme sonic comic series to read

    • @giovonniiclayton
      @giovonniiclayton Месяц назад +1

      Not really when you factor in the horrible writing and limitations idw has

    • @bluedealer
      @bluedealer Месяц назад +13

      Archie was not bad but the amount of irl development restarts, and the +20 years of stories that clashed each other at some points, weren't helping
      IDW was and is a breath of fresh air. We should accept and appreciate both Archie and IDW for what they can offer and not compare

    • @TheSultan1470
      @TheSultan1470 Месяц назад +12

      Archie was a complete mess of unregulated writing. IDW is held to standard as an official piece of Sonic material, which is cool.

    • @bluedealer
      @bluedealer Месяц назад +6

      @@TheSultan1470 agreed

    • @codyraugh6599
      @codyraugh6599 Месяц назад +5

      ​@@TheSultan1470 I agree I prefer the IDW Sonic, but I hope for some more freedom because there were aspects of Archie that were good. However ironically I think Archie's best overall was the Megaman Comics, having both freedom and sticking close to core game stories.
      And honestly I really wish Capcom would let Ian take over a Megaman Legends/D.A.S.H. comic series (since that era is primed for comic stories)
      But back to topic. Archie, each issue you can just roll a dice and that's the personality, history and character development of a character each issue and you just had to brain dump a lot of it, especially with Shadow. Where IDW you have to pay attention and keep Character knowledge in mind (things that kids/pre-teens are very capable of doing or at least appreciating) and it lets you see the growth of you follow the series which since we're more in the digital age, it's definitely more valid now to do than with older comic logic.

  • @Ranni
    @Ranni Месяц назад +15

    Eyy thanks for the shoutout! I find it fitting how Mimic is afraid to show his true self and his power is literally shapeshifting into other people.

    • @TheSultan1470
      @TheSultan1470 Месяц назад +2

      I hope there will be a Mimic plushie some day.
      He's so cute and adorable.
      I want to pat his big squishy head.
      And scratch his head nubs.

  • @monochromegoggles4265
    @monochromegoggles4265 Месяц назад +22

    Waittt a minute... I recognize that monkey on the left at 12:43! That's the guy who brought the metal virus into Restoration HQ in issue #22! Huh, funny that, neat little easter egg, I get the feeling a number of background characters have been sprinkled in here and there.

    • @BrandonScott-mi5pz
      @BrandonScott-mi5pz Месяц назад

      EXCELLENT SONIC THEORY WORK. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😊🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @wrst3134
    @wrst3134 22 дня назад +5

    An excellent deep analysis like always, i really like this channel. And this is my favortie idw comic so far, i love the tone that the three stories have, being more serious and deep starring side character besides of the usual ones, i enjoyed it soo much, i hope more like this came out

    • @SonicTheory96
      @SonicTheory96  22 дня назад +2

      I've always liked deeper explorations of characters like we get in this comic! Thank you so much I'm really glad you enjoy this channel!

  • @IAmBored347
    @IAmBored347 Месяц назад +17

    I love IDW Sonic. It made me appreciate the Sonic Cast and while there there can be flaws I enjoyed how they interact with others. And how it made me enjoy exisiting characters such as Silver and Amy. Surge and Kit have became my favorites for their tragic stories and their struggle to be themselves. They are tragic figures who didn't deserve the manipulation from Starline. Even if he is gone the effects of brainwashing are still presemt and they're unsure who to trust anymore and only each other which is saddening but beautiful.
    Especially Lanolin too. Even if she's controversial I enjoyed how different she is as she gives a realistic sense to Sonic. We have a character that is FINALLY not just a Sonic fan or biggest enemy but a pragmatic leader. Someone who actually takes the fight against Eggman serious. Which is why I cannot wait to see more of her.
    Overall while I did enioy Archie more for its story lines, art, and moments more I do like IDW even if its stakes are less and meh pacing. We love Sonic and IDW elevated Sonic and his friends.
    Also Silver in IDW is so adorable and precious.

  • @TheSultan1470
    @TheSultan1470 Месяц назад +4

    Your videos on IDW are always nice to see, since you get to immersed in the universe. I've appreciated that since the beginning.

  • @TheZetoBlade
    @TheZetoBlade Месяц назад +21

    Actually killing people makes it hard for characters to be redeemed in my eyes, so I hope they don't let it get that far for Surge and Kit. As for Mimic he's already crossed that line, it's interesting to see what his mindset was but I don't think it excuses what he did. Seeing characters triumph is probably my favorite aspect in stories and in some ways seeing the characters happy at the end is more important to me than the "integrity" of the story. Obviously you need a balance in order for the world to feel real, but more often than not I'd like to see positive change for these characters.

    • @garrettviewegh9028
      @garrettviewegh9028 Месяц назад +5

      I’m actually happy in a sense that this was touched on. Starline wanted to upend the status qoe for his own agenda. But, third parties like GUN and citizens always seem to get caught in the crossfire of Sonic and Eggman’s rivalry. They dislike this status quo of back in forth because there’s a chance people can die. Lives can’t be taken back. It makes sense there’d be people besides villains or law enforcement like GUN, that are unhappy with the chaos that comes from Eggman and Sonic’s fights. It has me hoping we’ll see Shadow get more screen time. As a mentor to Surge and Kit. He’s the only one who could understand their situation. And one of the few that could shut them down if they were to backtrack. Surge wants to play hero, but not for the correct reasons. Shadow could be the best option to help them find their way.

    • @TheZetoBlade
      @TheZetoBlade Месяц назад

      @@garrettviewegh9028 That could be an interesting dynamic.

  • @thelobsterlover9449
    @thelobsterlover9449 Месяц назад +2

    The mimic story is probably my favourite, it almost made me cry from how relatable it was because I've felt similar things to him in the past

  • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
    @JakeThehedgehog-m1x Месяц назад +5

    what i do like about IDW is how they handle their characters for the most part and give depth and complexity to their characters and their character development/growth specially with the original characters like who are they,what their origin story,how can we relate to these characters,what's their goals and motivations are? i can go on...like there's some sense of substance and depth to these character and that's why i like this comic series.
    now...of course it's not perfect it definitely has some flaws and i personally do have some criticisms with the book but's mostly good in my opinion but personally the cherry on top for me is how they handle the characters interactions and sometimes it can be cute and wholesome too and i like that.
    the IDW sonic comics is not perfect and definitely has some flaws in it but despite that i still do think it's a good comic series..

  • @NightFuryLover31
    @NightFuryLover31 Месяц назад +9

    Giving us more depth to these characters is great. We see where Surge and Kit might go, the in sight of Knuckles, and the true depths and motives of Mimic. I’ve been curious about his mind especially. That twisted view, trying to push away any humanity he has left.
    Overall, I think Knuckles was my favorite. Seeing his views of his destiny not as a shackle, but blessing that led him to his friends made me tear up a bit.

    • @garrettviewegh9028
      @garrettviewegh9028 Месяц назад

      My prediction, is that Surge and Kit will do something so bad, it warrants the attention of Shadow and Team Dark. They fight, seemingly beat Team Dark. Then, they get serious, and body the duo mercilessly. Shadow then gives them an ultimatum of death, or the chance at redemption. After putting the fear of Shadow into the two, he sighs and becomes their reluctant mentor trying to fix two broken reflections of himself. And it’s only through Shadow’s unapologetic, reality check and cold disappointment/threats, and telling his story, that make the two actually consider that they have a choice. Because if you think about it, Surge and Kit think they have no agency. They think if they murder Eggman and Sonic, all their problems will be solved. But they do have a choice. They just still aren’t living for themselves. By hating and wanting to kill Sonic, they’re still technically carrying out Starline’s goal. His plan. Maybe under different reasons and parameters. But they don’t have the awareness to realize this. Shadow’s perspective, what he suffered, could make them realize that.

  • @hollyadams7413
    @hollyadams7413 Месяц назад +1

    Yes, yes, excellent analysis of an excellent comic, now can someone pretty please kindly tell me what the name of that melodious end song is??? I can’t/don’t know how to find it.

  • @skistorm739
    @skistorm739 Месяц назад +4

    eggman I heard not the guy make a killer because apart of him deep down won't do that if the company make that true instead eggman lock up the dead diamond cutters. i wish they make eggman not a killer and maybe that gun more of a taser

  • @jeremy1860
    @jeremy1860 Месяц назад +5

    Possibly controversial opinion, but out of all the interpretations of Sonic, his world and his associated characters, I think IDW might be my favourite. I won't say it definitively, since their story is still ongoing, so there's always a chance they give it a bad ending, but so far it's been top-tier stuff in my eyes :)

    • @SonicTheory96
      @SonicTheory96  Месяц назад +1

      I'm right there with you! We don't know how it will be in the future but so far I've really enjoyed my time with these stories and characters!

    • @jeremy1860
      @jeremy1860 Месяц назад

      @@SonicTheory96 Ian has definitely done justice to these guys so far :)

  • @kenblazewargame4707
    @kenblazewargame4707 19 дней назад +2

    Ah, IDW is one of the best comic book publishers, no matter the comic the characters are amazing and the fact there willing to go down such dark allays is great we need more of it

  • @clarenceandgennymcneil251
    @clarenceandgennymcneil251 Месяц назад

    Thank you for giving such a good, clear example of Sonic and his hero status. How he doesn't do what's right for vague admiration, but for the sake of the greater good.💙

  • @MoGamingPlay
    @MoGamingPlay Месяц назад +3

    IDW is doing a great job with it

  • @moonknightanimations1251
    @moonknightanimations1251 7 дней назад +2

    What's the song at the end of the video??

  • @Archon3960
    @Archon3960 Месяц назад +2

    Well, that's IDW for you... Great understanding of their source material and character development. 😊

  • @johnnyagregaard5873
    @johnnyagregaard5873 Месяц назад +2

    All of them

  • @rafakisaa1869
    @rafakisaa1869 12 дней назад

    12:59 There’s an old saying: ,,War sharpens everything in you, both good and evil"

  • @mudshrooze
    @mudshrooze Месяц назад +1

    Can someone please please tell me where I can go to read the sonic comics for free?? :(

    • @ScileSc
      @ScileSc Месяц назад

      You can pretty much just google it. Should come up pretty quickly. Idk how he got his hands on issue 75. It´s not supposed to come out until december.

  • @MetroidSolid
    @MetroidSolid 26 дней назад +2

    Mimic by far is my favorite IDW character, and this side story for him really made me love him more, as well as hate him for really lying to himself that what he did was okay, like literally everything he did could've been avoided if he just tried to reach out or something. But his decision made him a monster, and he truly believes his guilt is tied to whisper being alive, like if he ever succeeded in killing the last DC, that feeling and those memories will never leave him

  • @SRS26YT
    @SRS26YT Месяц назад +7

    Stoping kids for saying 🥇

  • @_________ill948
    @_________ill948 Месяц назад

    ONG LOVE THE VIDEOOO❤❤❤

  • @freezeblazestar1079
    @freezeblazestar1079 Месяц назад

    it was vrey good.

  • @TsuriaDragon
    @TsuriaDragon Месяц назад +3

    Mimic was the best also what’s the name of the music playing during his section? 😮

    • @SonicTheory96
      @SonicTheory96  Месяц назад +1

      Insignificantia/Isabel's Awakening/Heads Up Display

  • @Multifandomguy
    @Multifandomguy 26 дней назад +2

    I liked Amy's character development in the comic

  • @kingtero979
    @kingtero979 Месяц назад +2

    Wait where's the humans in Westopolis? Isn't it a city on the mainland? Not the islands where the animal characters live?

    • @woopzbruh-p3r
      @woopzbruh-p3r 18 дней назад +1

      Maybe just tourists from Emerald Hill?

    • @kingtero979
      @kingtero979 18 дней назад

      @@woopzbruh-p3r Tru

  • @Ratscallion_exe
    @Ratscallion_exe Месяц назад +2

    If Silver Generations : Brilliant Cut ever happened...
    Silver teaming up with Whisper The Scout Wolf & Tangle teaming up with Whisper The Sniper Wolf would be a day & night difference in chemistry...
    The difference being one who meets the nicest person that showed kindness firsthand without prior knowledge before the tragedy & the other who experienced kindness from person they met later on through comradery after the tragedy...
    **it would be borderline chaotic, self-reflection even >:)**

  • @TheSultan1470
    @TheSultan1470 Месяц назад

    Before the 2024 Annual, I fancied Mimic. Now, well, I absolutely adore him.
    Mimic the Octopus for game.

    • @SonicTheory96
      @SonicTheory96  Месяц назад

      He's definitely one of the most interesting villains! I hope we see him in a game someday!

  • @vinkennest3274
    @vinkennest3274 Месяц назад +2

    I mean yeah the metal virus and starline saga's were amazing. But smaller storys are needed for characters to develop.
    I hope rough and tumble get one

  • @noahrice3362
    @noahrice3362 Месяц назад

    I honestly feel like Knux and Surge spending some time around each other would be such a good idea. Maybe he'd be able to help her get out of the crazy funk she's in. As for Mimic, no clue on him, it's honestly kinda sad to see just how deep his pain goes. I wish he could get some healing in a better way. All three sound like they were awesome, though. Gonna have to say the latter two would be my favorites.

  • @warehog3000
    @warehog3000 2 дня назад

    I love how the mad cat looks like the love child of Bubsy and sonichu.

  • @austinbowman6177
    @austinbowman6177 Месяц назад

    What song is this?

  • @tigur1234
    @tigur1234 Месяц назад

    Hi, does anyone know the ending song in this video?

  • @garrettviewegh9028
    @garrettviewegh9028 Месяц назад +1

    It’s so depressing seeing how Whisper once was filled with joy and so sociable. Now? If no one else was around. And she could take the secret to the grave, she’d probably end Eggman, Surge, Kit, and Mimic. Maybe. It’s just so painful to see how she was so different back then, and how she was so affected, so unable to trust or show mercy after that. She could purge all the villians in the world, and deny she’d be worse than them. Just whisper: “It had to be done for peace. That silence in graveyards. That, is peace. You say slaughter Sonic, I say liberation”. In another timeline, she’d become a worse killer than Mimic.

    • @SonicTheory96
      @SonicTheory96  Месяц назад

      Yeah, Mimic's actions really changed her outlook on things and damaged her extroverted personality.

  • @ScileSc
    @ScileSc Месяц назад

    How did you get that? This issue shouldn´t be out yet.

  • @matthewketcher5804
    @matthewketcher5804 2 дня назад

    Honestly, with a bunch of people needlessly hating on the IDW comics, it's refreshing to see someone to see someone wholeheartedly embracing them, and highlighting the treasures in them. Also, as a Christian, I appreciate the Scripture verses at the end! You've just earned yourself a new subscriber!

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka 4 дня назад

    Serge is such a interesting character and very tragic in my opinion

  • @sirmatsdubois2509
    @sirmatsdubois2509 Месяц назад

    Sorry I don't want to be the Nick picky guy but the trolley is actually a cable car. just want to put that out there. still I do agree of everything you've said.

  • @glacierwolf2155
    @glacierwolf2155 2 дня назад

    I like all three stories are linked together through a common theme: validation; All three characters majorly grasp with being validated by the world in some way:
    - Surge wants to be validated by society to justify her needless brainwashing, trauma, and creation and believes that doing so requires her to be a hero and help out wherever she can. Surge tries to achieve this through creative problem solving but hurts others in the process because she can't find the solution that would lead to the least harm being done.
    - Knuckles wants to be validated by the world to justify his status as the last Echidna destined to guard the Master Emerald even if this duty requires self-isolation on a giant island. The Master Emerald helps console Knuckles through the fact that without his friends he wouldn't have lasted this long as the guardian of it, and Sonic, Tails, and Amy visiting only reassures Knuckles of this fact.
    - Mimic seeks to be validated by society at first through his acting career then by his friends when he recruits himself to the Diamond Cutters. He then confronts his major flaw of insecurity as he distrusts his friendships and alliances as he believes that people only care about him because of his mimicry, and this leads him to betray the Diamond Cutters and Eggman trying to hunt him down.

  • @reggielacey2235
    @reggielacey2235 Месяц назад +1

    the only good character new is surge

  • @Gat720Dua
    @Gat720Dua Месяц назад

    Am I hearing Halo music in a Sonic video?

    • @SonicTheory96
      @SonicTheory96  Месяц назад +1

      Yes....yes you are

    • @Gat720Dua
      @Gat720Dua Месяц назад

      ​@@SonicTheory96 Nothing Halo related can escape me.

  • @lazlow8788
    @lazlow8788 Месяц назад

    I only read Sonic IDW for the puppet character.