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There are one more failure story by "Vedanta " is another company who failed in 2008 to build a factory in North India. Tata group is looking to enter semiconductor manufacturing and they are started to work on it from 2020.
When there's a problem - gov't is always the origin. Stop giving legitimacy to democracy by your vote. There is no one thing in a human life in need of central power or majority voting. You trust competition in every aspect in your life, but not when it comes to law making and security. What works perfectly everywhere else is not working when it comes to laws and order - you think. This is how stupid you are.
India has top talent and the capability in almost all major industries. Petty politics, Lack of quality leadership and accountability is the reason for this sad state. Most intelligent people are pushed out of the country because the old guard doesn't want change.
@@pro0047 nothing gonna change brother..we have missed the bus ..because of this sarkari nauker ...i will not blame goverment for it ..ye sarkari nauker saale sab maderchod hai..
Remember 400-600 Million people didn’t have toilets before Modi came. The establishment was happy with this. That tells you why we are behind. The vested interests are bandicoots eating the nation from inside out.
What timing dude, India and TSMC just had a talk over setting up 7.3 billion USD, semiconductor development plants in India. I think someone watched your video and went like, this is going out of hands 🤣🤣
@@manojramesh4598 Did you watch the whole video, My dude? He ended it up saying Government has to do much more to catch-up. Video was posted 4 days ago and if you see my comments, I was just joking that someone watched this video and went like let's make a semiconductor deal! 🙂
@@aizen_yadava Don't think like that!! 180nm is used in quite few areas. Most of the industrial chips are even 300nm ones. Fabs need constant big $ upgrade.
Having started as process engineer in '70s and risen to the highest levels in that area, I know a thing or two about how to get successful fans going. Fires, power interruption etc. etc. are surmountable, but lack of discipline, pettiness, political interference, 'know it all', sycophantic behavior towards anyone who is non-Indian, no pride in one's work, and to make a quick buck are very hard to overcome. Simply put semiconductor manufacturing requires discipline and perseverance. That's the root cause why semiconductor manufacturing has not survived. And if India is to survive in an increasing hostile world, it better get in house semiconductor manufacturing and invest in it for the long haul as if their very existence depends on it
Sir, DISCIPLINE, DEDICATION AND DETERMINATION, without which we will go nowhere. I was in manufacturing , heavy engineering, started in late '70s and am deeply distressed by the very poor skills of technicians and workmen. Your comments are spot on.
I still remember how Intel went to Vietnam after dumping bangalore because the lack of speed by our govt officials.It was back in 2005 when i was 15 years old or something. I used to track the events from newspaper and buisness today magazines.Intel setup their sem fab center in Vietnam at a cost of 10 billion $. And because of Intel's entry, Samsung and other electronics companies also came to Vietnam. Today both Intel and Samsung accounts around 60% of the total 220 billion $ exports from vietnam, ie about 130 billion $. It also created around 1 million + jobs.And today India's total export is around 350 billion $. Compare the lost possible exports by Intel and Samsung with our present exports. What a big loss for our country becoz of our incapable buerocracy.
My group has set up a $150 million networking component manufacturing unit in Vietnam. We are all ex CISCO employees (all Americans of Indian origin) and we chose Vietnam instead of China and of course India. However, 35% of all parts are still made in Shenzen. Vietnam is ideal - lower labor than China, fast set up, huge incentives, port is 1 hour away from factory, highly skilled engineers are only issue. Funny part is we hired 25 top IT/Networking engineers from India. They will train our Viet staff. Hope India improves - but for now, they are jokers.
@@danko5866 totally different situation with tesla, tesla just wants the market access with priority tariff benifits without doing any of the manufacturing stuff
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@@crusadercatwoman02 you can't build skyscrapers in swamp you need to harden the earth first, getting prerequisite takes time, india is already so deeply wounded in 70 years that can't be altered within less than 7 years with constant backslash from opposition
@Flame Yes, Do you have better suggestions? Problem here in this country is that there would be tons of people complaining, but none would come forward to alter? Cherish those who are atleast doing some work
It goes to a larger truth - India sorely missed out on the electronics manufacturing revolution which is what lifted Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Malaysia after the WW2. By the time India realised, it was too late. She was always playing catch-up and the economies of scale had already been realized elsewhere. Tough lesson but one to keep in mind.
@@rajwade695 it was evil of colonialism that forced majority of former colonies to go after Socialism. And it worked so wonder for them that they are happy to let it go !!
@@subrotoxing8214 lol. I have read that. And you don't have to be a sheep. You have to use your critical analysis and understanding. Gobbling up others thoughts and opinions alone would turn you into a brainless zombie. Sadly lots of today's youth feel they have knowledge, but in reality they only have some information crammed imto their tiny little skulls.
@@himansh4812 you now make the false assumption that anyone acquire such critical thinking skills from birth. Which is a critical fault in your argument. Therefore its flawed.
Indian engineers go to philippines for semiconductor related training. I am one of the instructor in training. The problem of indian engineers are they look themselves as a highly educated people that knows everything. Everytime I finished discussing the topic in the training, I asked if they understand the topic. They will reply that they know already the topic that I discussed. I asked them to do it by their selves and none have been finished after 4hrs.I just laughed at them and told that they are in training and not in college. There is no grades in training and if they dont understand, they should asked for clarification.
You are dealing with a nation full of emotional in-secure people. In-secure people always claims that knows everything before you finish explaining to them in details. They do that in the professional world.
@@noxous582 soon after birth, a pen drive is fitted into the head of indians. ancient data in this pen drive controls the thought of the indian for their entire life. this is good for purity of tradition, which is what indians most care about. it also avoids the chance of loosing the race in which most other people seem to spend their lives.
All talent leave India as soon as they have the opportunity. As long as there is burgeoning problem such as corruption, weak judiciary and law enforcement, unemployment, bureaucracy and lack of political will at the top India’s growth will be at snail pace with major inequality.
Indian government and beurocracy hates private companies and it hates even providing high quality products n services to its people. It always focuses to minimalist lifestyle, cheapest not the best. Not a single Indian IT companies succeeded in India. They succeeded because they worked for American companies or they were American companies in India. As a matter of fact not a single indian company has been successful in India. Indian companies succeeded only when they partnered with a foreign company. Basically they were the sales and distribution companies for foreign products.
@@skagraw2 Zomato, swiggy, ola, urbanclap , etc Crying in the corner . Lol. India literally went from 3 unicorns to 63 unicorns and you say that government doesnt give a shit? What a joke. I guess you still use physical currencies alot instead of using paytm, phonepay, etc since I think you have no Idea about these. Get your facts right man. And please dont get manipulated by "leftist" media as there job is only to manipulate data and show half truth which favors parties like khangress, AAP, etc.
@@kripanshusharma360 liscious is a unicorn as well, so? zomato swiggy urbanclap are "tech" companies eh? may be, u also think India got its independence only in may 2014!
I talked to Indian and Pakistani acquaintances about this before. They told me a good part of the problem is a culture thing. The infamous bureaucracy doesn't understand the semiconductor business and the sacrifices needed to stay on the bleeding edge. Additionally, they are culturally "cheapskates" as they'd like to put it and there is always brain drain as top talent never stays because they're too stingy to pay competitively. As if there's a mindset that everyone is always replaceable. In the most technically demanding fields, this could not be more false.
Culture and religion and technical progress are always at odds with each other. And God prefers to keep it that way so that he can torture his devotees to the fullest extent.
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I remember back in 2015 there was a lot of craze of semiconductor manufacturing to start here but then in 2016 the government of Gujarat said it won't spend money and expected private companies to lead the funding, or something similar and then the whole thing fizzled out. Tata, a month ago once again glared up hopes they want to start to manufacture semiconductors. Let's see how that one works ago.
Unless tata does more then car manufacturing they won’t be able to afford it. Even buying dirt cheap equipment to make commodity chips doesn’t make a good business plan when you make enough clean room space.
@S G - Semiconductor design and manufacturing is a capital intensive undertaking and that only the government can afford to splurge huge amount of money with ROI in the next ten years or getting nothing at all. The US built their technological strength courtesy of Federal fundings on basic research via DARPA and other alphabet agencies. The Indian government should step up to the plate and spearhead the development of semiconductor design and manufacturing and then handover the management and marketing to a competent private concern.
I important thing you forgot about the tough sanctions that were placed on India from 1998-2008 after the Nuclear tests of 1998. As a result SCL wasn’t able to acquire critical components from US and EUROPE. The sanctions we so tough that India couldn’t even get SUPER COMPUTERS so we had to make our own from scratch. So after the sanctions were lifted in 2008 SCL was able to restart manufacturing of chips
Forget microprocessors even basic 74 series logic gates are not made here. The logic gates made SCL were highly unreliable. We never used these in our products but instead chips imported from abroad.
Not a valid excuse, China face much tougher sanctions. I think the main difference for China and India tech is that more Chinese engineers are willing to coming back from western countries. (I hold no "India-hating" emotion when I write this reply, I wish our southern neighbor can have a prosperous future. Believe it or not, even though Chinese like to make jokes about India but deep down we all wish India to be our next biggest trading partner, just like a few century ago.)
8:24 Thats what I'd like to call the Indian Experience. Losing progress is kindof our thing. Smart/driven people suffocating under a dysfunctional ideology driven system.
@@ravishbhasin7041 well the sanctions on india by usa didn't allow for important components import and low forex reserves and failure of socialism in india at the same time.. in 1991 etc...
@@bababistril this is beyond the level of bureaucratic failure or social injustice, it was a tough geopolitical situation. Sanctions on India was due to Nuclear tests it had done. I believe it was still the right choice. Low forex reserve were truly a issue due to socialistic tendencies and trying to control everything on government level acting like a messiah, thanks Narsimha Rao it was dealt with when India opened its economy. However biggest fault lies with Manmohan singh who wasted 10 goddamn years twiddling his thumbs sitting on his PM chair like a dumb animal while everyone was fucking up the system under him, scams after scams after scams. The level of blunder he committed is unforgivable. I am extremely tough on him because our lineages have a link on a family level, I never wished him to be such a dull and useless man.
@Mayuri Vietnam cannot be next China, its a stupid propoganda to show India the ground. Vietnam neither has the size, nor the manpower, nor the capacity to hold that level of capability to run so much shit around itself. While Vietnam will grow up to be more successful and industrious in the region, its not going to become China. Most of the Infra bullshit will be fixed in just a few years, believe it or not because NHAI is throwing so much money into the projects and completing them way ahead of time. We've broken world records. We have Modi and his cabinet to thank for it, I just hope there are more people like Nitin and Piyush. India currently has more roads than US and China, only thing lacking is the highways and expressways compared to China. India became 2nd most attractive manufacturing destination in just a year by reforming its policies and PLI is a roaring success, we are second to China only and being alternative to China is a huge boon because of rising hatred for the nation and communist policies being a impediment. You might have not realized it yourself but the amount of work done in manufacturing sector is already slowly starting to pay off. By 2025 you'll have so many manufacturing hubs and India will easily overtake the Phone market. Let us not put ourselves down, our people are working their hardest. It's better to be positive than blindly negative.
@Mayuri I hope that might be the case but Vietnam is not going to be the next China in any time soon (less than 10-15 years is impossible). Delta variant crippled our country hard this year, especially regions with the highest concentrated industrialized level. So FDI and other sources of investment are leaving our country, or at least they allocate demands to other countries in SEA who can supply (due to better anti-Covid strategy). Lots of companies are reconsidering the prospect of investing into our country.
There was Hindustan Semiconductor (Fairchild collaboration) plant in Gujarat in 70s. It manufactured analog components like transistors and LM741 like ICs. This was closed due to some labor strike.
It was government intervention that messed the whole thing up. China started a new project a few years ago and got a veteran from TSMC to head up the building of a new fab. Project tanked.
Really liked this video. As a commentator has said "replace semiconductor with any manufacturing technology" , and you have India. I recently returned from New York to join my dad's business in electrical manufacturing. I had this "H1B visa", a cushy job and an opportunity to live in the best city in the world. Period. But I decided to come back to Bangalore to innovate in soft starter manufacturing. However, there are MAJOR issues with the infrastructure in the industrial area where I'm at (Peenya). There's the worst roads, garbage strewn around, and worst, erratic electrical supply. Some of this might not be related to production per se, but hey, no one likes to walk to the nearby canteen getting covered in mud, or have your bed blown off trying to navigate the nth crater on the road. And it sucks to have to pay for your own electricity when the BESCOM power just tanks due to one drop of rain. Unfortunately, all cries for help fall on deaf ears since no one lives in an industrial area.... And hence no votes for the MLA to care about. Unfortunate perverse incentives at play. Talent isn't too bad though, although many candidates I interviewed had poor vocational skills having gone to a shoddy institute run by an entrepreneur politician. Long story short, the infra and setup in India and Bangalore in particular, was always anti-manufacturing. It's amazing the sheer will mine and my fellow companies have in running their firms in an area which looks worse than war-time Kabul. It's no surprise then that IT came to Bangalore and India, and continues to drive the start up revolution. There was no regulation, smart talent, availability of computers, and ironically, no help from government needed. As a result, IT drove most of India's growth, employing tens of thousands, and millions later. It was IT that got the dudes in Gurgaon and Bangalore to build these (private) tech parks, and got the fancy pubs and restaurants in these places. Even now, parts of Whitefield have Singapore like infra inside, with Badlapur like outside. However, I do feel that times are changing and there are reasons to be happy. For all its ills, this present government is doing a good job in investing in road infrastructure, and our highways have tremendously improved. There's more and more amazing and daring talent coming out and cities like Bangalore/Gurgaon, and are resulting in amazing entrepreneurs like Bhavish Agrawal drive the EV revolution. Recently Tata has decided to enter the EV market full scale and are investing in semiconductor technology too. Long story short, I am cautiously optimistic of India IN. JAI HIND 🙏
As an electronics engineer from Mumbai, india, the more I looked into stuff n politics n the paper work needed is maddening. I left India for good. I've been into microcontrollers & coding since I was 10-12 years old and even did my bachelors only to see IT companies snatching jobs away n pure electronics with poor pay. They just want our coding skills n try push us heavily into IT sector n bangalore. Heck, in my 4 years study i know 3 good colleges in Mumbai remove electronics engineering as subject. Even my department 1 year after I left has reduced the number of classes from 2 till 1. All cuz there's no scope or hope. They push for electronics & telecommunications (like what u did) cuz again, IT sector where the telecom part plays the part. Some have asked n told me to come back to India so that talent doesn't leave India. But I'm so done with it, I'm never going back and planning to even leave my citizenship. Don't care, have suffered already too much pain n would complete masters in UK n after that for Nordic/Scandinavian countries or Switzerland or Japan. (mostly in schengen counties)
@Suprabh Pranjal horizon is is something that never reaches us n always is there. No matter how much u chase it you'll only fond new horizons. Its the same as "tomorrow never comes" cuz "there's always a new tomorrow". And on top of that the Indian attitude of "chalta hai" & "jugaad" with the education system that values memory over problem solving skills, it's never gonna attract the talents it has in its own land/soil. People either leave for better stuff, like good pay work n happiness with balanced life that too in a better n developed country where people know what courtesy is (even like driving for eg) OR people stay n see their hoes n dreams be crushed or find a job they like better but not in the electronics industry weirdly enough.
I used to work in America's semiconductor industry and it requires a lot of infrastructure for everything to work properly. We had two massive diesel generators in the event of a power outage because even 5 minutes of down time has the potential to ruin tens of thousands of wafers currently being processed. It's a very delicate process which is why even China still has trouble with manufacturing semiconductors today.
Nah you need a infinity source of very clean water so much that your cities don't go dry with India's groundwater dropping more than 5% each year its not sustainable. Also due to global warming and erratic rain patterns no backup for water source. Glad we missed this expensive party
@@lelins300 Very sensible answer 👍. Not always do we need to be on the bleeding edge as it could be detrimental to us in the long run. Not sour grapes though. But curious how Taiwan manages the water supply.
8:00 It took EIGHT YEARS to reopen after the fire. That shows a massive lack of urgency. You can’t run any business, if it can’t recover from setbacks.
They couldn't even figure out the cause of the fire. That's really sad. If you can't pinpoint the cause of a problem, and fix it, you will not succeed in large-scale, hi-tech manufacturing.
No use, the government worker is just interested in getting his or her salary. Top of the food chain just looks to win the next election somehow. As long as you keep succumbing to the religion card, you will never be on par with a developed country.
Exciting times for semiconductor stocks TSMC, AMD and NVDA. which are all experiencing a surge in value. It's interesting to watch the competition develop, given these stocks are major contributors to Al chip growth. On the increase of my personal holdings, I've witnessed amazing impact on my shares.
Intel and AMD will definitely have their share of the market. TSMC is at max capacity and investing in other semiconductor companies will be an absolute power move, Different chips are good at different things and Nvidia has been very specialised, which leaves other aspects of Al open.
certainly, i had bought NVDA shares at $300, $475 cheap b4 the 10 for 1 split and with huge interest I keep adding, i’m currently doings the same for PLTR, POET and AMD constructively. Best possible way to get ahead, is participating behind top experienced performers.
I was surprised to hear one fire accident would destroy the entire semi-conductor industry? It does not sound convincing enough for me. Even in those days, chip companies would have multi-sites with backup operations and expertises exactly for this kind of eventualities.
I believe its leadership and human capital which was their ultimate downfall, ive worked in companies where slowly, a large majority of the workforce is replaced, and as expected, the quality and professionalism gives way to corruption and nepotism, its not unheard of whole departments staff who are related either by blood, village or state lines.
@@tanishqbhaiji103 That's not the only reason. government brings legislations depending on their mood. Why would anyone want to invest when Government can bring a legislation taxing all their income right from 1961. Who would trust such a Govt? And this is irrespective of who is ruling.
It is a pity India can't fully utilize so many of their amazing talents I seen and met so many Indian's who are so well versed in their field of study/expertise. But most end up deciding to settle in the countries outside that hired them since they are appreciated there more than their own country.
India didn't signed NPT...so foreign companies cannot transfer higher semiconductor technologies to indian companies....similar restrictions for nuclear, aerospace, super computers, critical software..... Funny thing is....many Indians working in these fields in other countries
It seems semiconductor manufacturing tech is so insanely difficult and ultra expensive that it's even a miracle that any country can have a self sustaining semiconductor industry. Even the US has sold out most of it's semiconductor industry to Taiwan and South Korea in hopes of leveraging scale of efficiencies and cost savings. Just one single CPU generation costs billions and billion of dollars just to tool up for. It's crazy.
@@abdur1300 No its not. Semiconductor technology is the pinnacle of engineering. If one day, we manage to come up with Fusion reactors, they would take the crown from semiconductor technology.
@Phillip Mulligan I have read about a comment on semiconductor manufacturing company situation from a Taiwanese student few days back. He is not at all happy. He said their young generation life is destroyed in this field. They cannot even switch jobs in this. As I'm from India,most Indian engineers cannot face this torture. Its better to be an IT engineer than doing job in this hell.
I remember when india and china had that skirmish and those indian "propaganda" videos saying china semicon company will move to india 🤣🤣 what bs at that time
@@geraldh.8047 That's the old govt. The current govt has brought a lot of schemes for electronic startups and many others. Hopefully they focus on setting up fabs more. India has one of the highest number of Chip designers in the world. Intel has their offices in even tier 2 cities In India for their reason. But when it comes to manufacturing chips we are far behind. Things are changing now. Last quarter India registered the highest number of Unicorns and its highest FDI in the last decade so I wouldn't say the game's over yet. It depends on what decisions the govt takes from now.
@@MarcoPolo-hn8or The License Raj thing was stupid. The procedure for private business to operate in India at that time is too arduous, they wasted their opportunity to become Factory of the World
It breaks my heart to know that India imports worth about INR 2.0 Lakh crore (US$ 25-27 billion) every year whereas tiny nations like Taiwan, Korea etc. have the capability to manufacture and we don't.
well there are alot of factors, mainly, lack of silicon, skilled workforce, and most of all, huge population to feed, hopefully population will start going downwithin two decades
But what is the reason behind our failure ? What is the role of our Govt. regarding this matter ? In spite of being a very small country these two small countries are technologically advanced . Should we not be ashamed of it ? I personally think that our brilliant students should be sent to these countries to be well trained . Thanks from India .
@@jayantasen3567 The biggest reason according to me is that India adopted the socialist model where the govt (aka the public sector) was to manufacture all hi-tech goods including the semiconductors. However, the Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese adopted the capitalist model where the private companies with the full support and funding from the govt was to take lead in industrialization. Indian govt companies (PSUs) stood no chance in competing with the likes of Samsung, TSMC etc.
It’s wonderful to listen to you. While most analysis have fallen down to low grade exhibitions, the topic you choose as well as the objective presentation is highly commendable and informative. Thank you for your critical work.
There is no shortage of smart and talented people in India. But Indian political leadership sucks because they are a Democracy. Like all Democracies, the masses of idiots will always vote for stupid leaders who talk well, but can't deliver on anything. That's why most of India's best and brightest will leave the country. Thomas Sowell summed it up like this: "Indians will succeed everywhere, except India."
Indians boast, brag, arrogant. They like to talk and talk. That's why if you want to talk look for Indians. If you want to get things done promptly look for the Chinese. That explanins why Indians will vote for demagogues. Talk and talk but nothing gets done.
12:49 I wonder why Indian had customs duty on fab equipment? Typically such duties are to protect domestic makers of such equipment. Which don't exist in India, I believe?
@@yixuanzhong6568 Right, but does India have a significant foundry production machinery industry that needs to be protected? Not the fab industry but the actual equipment.
@@capmidnite less than 3 percent of the people pay an income tax in india. customs taxes are a way to raise funds for the government nothing to do with protection. in countries like the US and such they are a way to protect domestic players.
Fundamentally, the failure was built in at conception. Instead of removing barriers and bureaucracy to the private sector, the government decided to get into the business itself, like it did before, making light bulbs, tractors, watches, telephones and telephone exchanges and on and on to disastrous effect.
L Sequeira I think you need to update. Have you heard of Samsung built a plant (factory) for making smart phones & that is the biggest in the world, near Delhi? it is working with full production.
@@Ironclad17 India is awiting for private industry to take up large-scale industrialisation (investment) for 7 decades. The private sector is yet to measure up to the country's expectations. Failing which the government has to take upon itself the task of industrialasiation & financial reforms (bank nationalisation). They (private sector) don't enter any business if it doesn't give fast returns at minimal investment. Then how can they be trusted & expected to industrialise the country?
@@MrPoornakumar Governments and private sectors both excel at their own things. You're highly overly generalizing the private sector with the whole "if it doesn't give fast returns at minimal investment. " then the private sector wants nothing to do with it. Sure a government can take a loan (or afford it without loaning) of 40 billion to get a semiconductor factory off of the ground in one go and even if it goes bad...meh you loan more or you increase taxes like most governments do. In the private sector that's a good way to bankruptcy, you would be very fortunate to get a second chance after a big screw up like that and even then it often comes down to luck as to whether you make it or not. A government can afford to go all in with minimal risk to itself. As a private investor you wanna go step by step. To give an example of an industry I am more familiar with Instead of building an integrated steel mill from the get go a private investor will at first build a facility for iron making or casting or product rolling and get good at that part. Once you feel confident in your skills, expertise and have the financial capital to take the risk you add another step. You add say a plant for steel making and you learn to find your footing in that market because the market for iron is vastly different than the one for steel. You rinse and repeat until you've got an integrated steel mill that can do all steps. Unwieldy bureacracy, corruption, nepotism, politics (both national and international), climate, the laws in place,... All those things determine how much a private investor wants to take the risk in India and how much they can thrive. Perhaps private investors did give it a go and India simply didn't protect them enough thus making the ventures fail. It wouldn't be the first time a politcians didn't properly support an initiative at the right time.
@@TheShadowOfZama I am talking from the point of the results produced (they are minuscule compared to the expectation sof the size & population of the country). Also I know of the rapacity of some business people who otherwise could have concentrated on higher goals like building a giant industry.
Yes Nd 😁 Taiwan also investing 7 bilion for manufacturing semiconductors 😋 Anyway atleast it will give our some well qualified People's job 😊 Also they wil get trained 😁
It will take atleast 5-6 years to set up a fab and it will take much longer to for them to manufacture chips that are comparable to the high end chips manufactured by the competition. Taiwan's investment is more promising.
as an Indian watching this and comparing with the investment of $15.2 billion to set up three semiconductor plants in the country including its first fab unit, to be built by Tata Group in collaboration with Taiwan-based company seems like kids trying to get into the college lol
I go to an Indian high school (my father was born in India), and now I'm working as an engineer in the US. This is purely based on my opinion, no offense is meant by this comment my brother Most of us(Indian) can only say things in theory, concept and etc, we're just memorizing a lot of things, not try to make a new things. We have to change this guys, I think the main reason for this is our education system (you see, most of JEE or IIT test is to measure how well you memorize a lot of formula, yes the question is very hard, but just be honest, most of you have seen that question so many times in prep school, also you've remembered how to do it in only 2 steps with magic formula). THIS IS WRONG, you have to try to fully comprehend it.. that's what makes Europe/US manufacturing is much better than us despite the easier college entry exam problem. The mindset is just different and this has to change. Stop memorizing, stop theorizing, start to create a real good product. You're an engineer my friend, not a theoretical scientist.
Bro, I don't know how you thought that there's magic formula for questions asked in IITs entrance exams. IITians don't need any certificate from anyone in the world regards their intelligence. If you want proof for that, go to any major tech firm in your beloved USA and see who are the best performers there. Furthermore, you aren't in sync with current Indian setup. Visit Bangalore once and there's a startup at every nook and corner. I really believe that we as a nation are on correct path. Just a bit of correct political and administrative help will make this century, the Indian century.
This matches my experience in the past. Training people from USA requires people to understand the context first and why things work that way before you actually start solving problems. When training people from India, the mindset for training looks a bit like programming computers (remind me the Mentat from Dune novel). As human computers they are excellent, but they do not look at other variables that westerners look for. Training people from India requires lots of structure.
@@tabishrabbani3148 See bro here's the problem. Most of these toppers go to iits not to gain knowledge, research and invent new things. They just go to bag 8-9 figures paycheck in billion dollar companies and work under them. If they are research oriented most of them opt for overseas Universities like MITs. One of the Jee adv topper, AIR 1 I guess went to MIT. People treat the tag of IITian as a show off. This needs to change. Our education system should promote more research oriented and analytical skills. Entrance exams should be based on the same. Rather than making exams super hard they should give more importance to what they teach and mend the curriculum. India has a great deal of potential but it's being used up in the wrong direction. If you put students in a box then of course there won't be any out of the box thinking.
@@sjjdhwhjw1257 bro it's easy to criticize IITians that they aren't research oriented. But just compare the budget of IITs with top research universities. When I was a student there, I remember that Union govt had allotted a budget of 24,000 crores for all IITs while Harvard itself has a budget of 22,000 crores. For research, you need top notch machinery, labs and equipments which unfortunately isn't possible for a developing nation like us to provide. But down the line as India becomes richer, we can allocate sums required for research. With the resources we had, we have done greatly as a nation, in last 70 years in the field of human resource development and it is our greatest asset
What about Democracy shall we ask China? Until 17 th century India is rich country for thousands of years in case of China 30 years back it’s economy is same as India’s their working population is nearly 1 billion still India’s working population is 500million by 2050 it will become 1 billion i mean it’s growing automatically our economy also will grow.
@@446samba As an Indian I strongly feel India don't need democracy. India needs an authoritarian regime that should only concentrate about development and keeping religious politics out. Many Indians criticize the British because of their loot we are poor, though its true. My question is how many years we will still blame the British? There are many countries in the world who gained independence after India are far ahead than India. When it comes to manufacturing China will always win because of their work force. Indian labor's can never compete with China. I have personally seen myself because labors from India have no discipline. Whereas Chinese labors are workaholics.
I remember back in the day teaching Indian electronic workers how to fix thru hole mounts, covered by bad soldering, by using a small drill. The next day we found them using a hammer drill. I found that while there's excellent engineers etc, what was really lacking were the skills of the common labourer. Also there was the horrible power grid, with constant brownouts and starting of spare generators. I certainly hope things have improved, because I do have high hopes for India. (This was some 20 years ago)
Growing urbanisation with limited power infrastructure leads to issues. However rather than fixing the grid and supply which will take atleast a few more decades, it's better to have dedicated uninterrupted power lines for special applications that could be aided by generators and batteries. I've been living in a major Indian city and not experienced a disruptive power cut at work or home in a long time. This is also because I have installed an inverter powered by lead acid batteries. Also the public education system is horrible and still rooted in colonialism i.e meant to produce slaves not citizens. Politicians don't want to fix the education system because then the people would actually wake up to their BS and vote them out. This is the primary reason why common labourers are lacking skills when compared with other countries.
@@thunderb00m Eh, a lot of places were Colonial and are doing much better than India. It’s not the education system. Its the lack of ability to be educated. Look at the b-roll.
1) Excellent comment and insights. Power has improved. There is a determined effort at expanding renewable energy as Coal and gas (which have expanded a lot but depend on imports) are a sort of millstone around our necks and we have far too much sunshine. eVehicles too is getting policy direction. Progress on the ground is not too bad. However, entry requirement like Silicon production went by the way of semiconductor Technology. I'm told efforts were abandoned because of undercutting by Chinese. Hopefully the pandemic and geopolitical situation will convince those with capital to invest strategically.
@@PasscodeAdvance Neither were killed by colonialism but both benefitted greatly from being managed and modernized by more advanced peoples. Unfortunately Mexico has squandered whatever it had gotten out of the experience. Malaysia, not so much. Malaysia builds my technology. Mexico builds my... Hard drugs?
So many flammable things in a fab lab. My favorite, and one I depended on heavily, silane. It’s in a class of materials called pyrophoric. Meaning it ignites when exposed to atmosphere! Fun times, glad I now design chips instead of make them.
Informative, yes we missed the semiconductor revolution in the 80's and it is hard to get back. Many southeast Asian countries made use of it and are top players now.I too live in Taiwan !!
@@henli-rw5dw cheap labor is one of the aspects. Need funds, government support and infrastructure alongside as well. Plus there are other global powers to deal with who will do everything in their capacity to ensure india fails. Need a strong government and people’s support.
Now US based multinational Nvidia has seized ARM's intellectual property in a hostile takeover; ARM designs chips for Nvidia's competitors! Even our UK vassals are frightened and outraged, and are reviewing Nvidia's acquisition as "a threat to national security"! 😆🤣😄😂!!
@@motherlandbot6837 dude is you think mentioning pegions and chickens here make you seem like tough intellectual genius then stop, that is cringe and only makes you look pitiful boomer an "ugly old man trying to look modern but failing miserably" at best, no one likes those this is internet so you don't matter that's it admit it and keep calm.
@@thewitcher8658 na the Domino effect happens in India is crazy. As soon a particular state is selected for foreign or domestic investment, other states too buckle up to provide maximum subsidies and heavy tax relief thus benefiting the investors, generating employment for their citizens.
Taiwanese Companies has 55%+ share for Semiconductor manufacturing... Now, in increasing demand they've a huge pressure & their capacity has exhausted already... They denied some offer for providing semiconductor... They're planning to open the manufacturing unit in India... The talks are going in a+ve way
6:30 in 1982 the bbc micro even had its own tv show to go along with it, called "the computer programme". in 2006 it was the inspiration for the raspberry pi.
15:48 correction- second largest phone assembler not manufacturer we don't have any proper supply chains related to manufacturing of consumer electronics.
@@KJ6EAD actually, smoking is absolutely banned in the fab. We have to use a special lint free wipe in the fab to avoid particle generation, but such material is easily combustible, these wipes are used for wiping both acids and solvents. The protocol is to dispose them is segregated bins but ignorant operators might accidentally mix them up, ending in a fire. Some of the chemicals in the fab is instantly combustible upon exposure to air, if the bins are anywhere near these chemicals, you have a recipe for a disaster.
in India, highly educated people dont want to stay in India, they will plan on migration to western countries for his family. in China, highly educated people would be glad to be part of the team in developing a better China. it is glory they treasure
India need not despair, as someone who is an engineering graduate in the US, you will be suprise how many indian research scientist working in the US such as IBM, Bell Labs, etc. What India need to do is to offer these indian researcher better grants to entice them back to India. Like TSMC founder, indians has as many chance to built one by riding on US knowhow and funding.
That's the problem!! We have good talent both in India & outside but the problem has always been governments dilly dollying handling of the fan industry & it's lack of focussed approach. Semiconductor is a capital intensive industry & the government needs to have a stable & long term plans for it. All the countries where semiconductor industry has grown successfully the government has played a huge part.
Entice them back to India... India can never offer them life conditions they have in US. It's completely different lifestyle, culture... Once you get used to it you can never go back. It is very easy to get used to it, especially if you are successful at whatever you do. Regarding TSMC. They are factory. More or less assembly line. It's business not science. In my eyes scientists that made it all possible are those who made tools TSMC are using. USMC, Carl Zeiss... No one can make highend semiconductors without companies like them. Even more basic level are physicists. Physics is what defines limits of technology.
Educated manpower is not the problem. India has that in spades. Capital investment, supply chain and technology items needed to kick-start the industry is what is lacking.
Spoiler alert!!! Few days back i did a thorough research regarding India’s quest for semiconductor fabs and the first attempt was made in 2006 by a group of US based NRIs named “SemIndia” which was failed. Again another attempt was made around 2013-14 named HSMC and Jayprakash Associates but again failed as both the companies failed to provide requisite documents as per LoI even after several extensions.
That would be my biggest fear abut starting a business in India. I live in Canada but I love India's traditions much more than I love anything about Canada; I have posters of Kali around me; I've read the Gita thousands of times, and I've read the whole Mahabharata; but I don't like the casts system as it is today, and I fear most of all the bureaucracy and corruption. I lived my young years in a country in South America where corruption and bureaucracy were the way of life, and I don't want to EVER again face that kind of thing, like having to bend the knee and give cash to some crooked government guy because he has the power to not approve some bureaucratic requirement. If that happened to me again, I'd probably put an end to the injustice expeditiously, and end up in jail for it.
@@privateerburrows Now it has changed under the current govt. It's much easier to start businesses and startups in India now. You can do it online. And if it is in sectors like drones manufacturing or some other electronics equipment you'd get incentives from the govi. In 2021 India had the most number of unicorns. Under the new PLI scheme many companies thrived. As far as I can see things have drastically changed in India in recent years. And we can see the results of that too. FDI is in a constant boom many gigafactories are coming up. Now I just hope a foundries setup a fab here.
@@adithyadanaj9768 yeah right. I agree with what EODB measures but ranking 63rd is not a goddamn achievement especially considering that the index only measures the performances of a handful of tier one regions. Modi has done some groundwork but expecting him to carry the nation into prosperity is kinda idiotic considering the legislative and structural deficiencies wielded into the Indian system. Expecting India to get this right is like expecting Frankenstein's monster to behave like a normal human being.
As the Fab business is very risky, India can put its focus on ATMP (Assembly, Testing, Marking and Packing) or OSAT or "more than Moore" device manufacturing. That could be a better start to built an ecosystem.
@@adithyadanaj9768 That’s a pretty rose colored view you are painting there, bud. Are you sure it’s not hyperbole? Ford and GM have left India. Investments into India have stagnated since 2017-2018. Tesla is still not in India. Meanwhile, in China semiconductors have rapidly progressed. I am an Indian who has been living in the US since 1994, and have had a pretty successful career in the semiconductor industry. India has a very very long way to go to catch up to the world in the latest 5nm and 2nm manufacturing of the latest chips. Your blithe white washing of everything is typical of these you get generation of ultra nationalistic and jingoistic Indians. They never ever acknowledge their significant shortfalls. Living in delusion.
Just today i got the news that Taiwan's TSMC is going to invest 7.5 BILLION DOLLARS for setting up SEMICONDUCTOR FACTORIES..i hope Indian govt get the requisite expertise and Try to promote indigenous SEMICONDUCTOR MANUFACTURING Players to step up and ultimately HELP INDIA BECOME SELF-RELIANT!! LOVE AND RESPECT FROM INDIA 🇮🇳 SIR!
In India Vedanta and Foxconn JV had started to build a semiconductor Manifacturing plant in State of Gujarat and it may take 3 yrs to complete that fab.... lets see how things go by wrt semiconductors manufacturing in India. Btw thank you Asianometry for wonderful insights
@@larryc1616 yeah, vedanta is particularly mining company and Foxconn electronics manufacturing company. I don't how they will do it😅 But still hoping for best.😊
As I have been saying.. Vedanta and Foxconn cannot start a semiconductor fab. I work as a design engineer. These two companies have no experience in starting or running a fab. It was bound to fail as we know now.. shame on Rajeev Chandrasekhar who is the minister of state for electronics who has been misleading people regarding this.. now he has taken a u turn…
India got its revolution in the form of telecom and IT, there is always tradeoff and investment and semi-conductor was big gamble for them and now only they realise its significance
I remember this quite well when I used to live in India. Unfortunately the foundation of this enterprise was handed to government bureaucrats and of course it failed.
I had wondered many times about this situation. This really helps me understand why it is highly possible to get software developed there and done well, although little supply for hardware needs. We have looked for years with no luck. I was also surprised to hear that they have the second largest cell phone assembly. Thank you so much.
@@tonylee9363 Right and India despite been through 30 years of Trade liberalisation, it is still a socialist country which hates businesses. That's main reason why capital intensive businesses will always fail in India.
@@tonylee9363 quite the opposite software doesn't require more than 7-15 people to work on it and most Indian firms are just for fixing bugs in software and their maintainence not for building them, and building good software costs upto billions of dollars. Hardware manufacturing requires established industrial base and supply lines capital is easy to get once you have them India doesn't have the prequisites.
Software requires way less initial investment than Hardware,Hardware also requires infrastructure that is expensive,also knowlege and experience and this experience is hard to get if you arealdy don't have.
Informative Video, nice to know that India did try to emerge as a destination for chip manufacturing hub but could not. Hope is not lost and we could become one of the major exporters of chip in the future ;)
Blaming Indian Bureacracy is a favorite past time. This is absurd. Its a collective failure of all Indians. Culture of working and innovation needs to creep in. Stop strikes and start working. Take a look at Japanese and German Culture of innovation.
It would been nice if Asianometry delved into the deeper thought process behind the government not pushing ahead with its semiconductor plans after the fire hiccup. If there was a strong desire to continue with the path, a single fire could not have been such an insurmountable event. Many Indian rockets failed, another highly capital intensive endeavor, but the government pushed on.
The difference is that the rocket isn't mass produced and doesn't have to compete with international ones in a free market,but the rocket is also necessary for india security because of it's conflicts with China.
India never saw it self as a leader. How can it guha still thinks we should not aim to be superpower. What india exceled was bare minimum needed for survival that it could not buy. That is nukes. They are needed to discourage misadventurous of neighbours like china. Now nuke on their own are useless. So we needed a delivery tech i.e. Missiles. So we have a great nuke focussed missile program. But these missiles need target information so we have good satellite program. More than that no we didn't. So we lags all else. But can we build the tech. Yes we can we demonstrated we have the capability to master complex tech. What we lack is intent and our leadership never had that intent. Congress blue blood wants to keep india poor so that they needn't share power with others.
Financial Issues and western sanctions. I think Bangalore was better place to start SCL. Punjab was reeling under Pak sponsored separatist led violence at that time. ISRO survived even after spy case though it slowed down development of inhouse cryogenic rockets.
@@oliversparks1459 rich boys class system democracy ? the rich lawyer ruling class wondering about hard issues like private jet time allocation and jet fuel price?
Do not confuse effects for cause. Culture is biggest problem, but as we know, changing it is at most impossible. And some people think that repeating something what do not work, will work at some point...
And Stop stealing from nighrbours like Nepal. Nepalese youths says they would go on war with India in future as trade is essential and India has completely crippled their economy by blocking trades routes and constant interference.
PLI is very recent. This video was probably shot quite a while back and the editing took time. Plus, PLI situation is still evolving. We don't know which Babu will wake up tomorrow and decide to put an extra tax on PLI exported products.
@@tushar4evr776 Because to much fascination of goverment jobs in our society ....that's why our country destroyed ..I hate government employee from the bottom my heart ..i can't tolerate their faces .. Haram ki khao or so jao....buss yahi ..sikhaya jata hai..jaatiwad pe naukri mil rahi hai..kya fark padta hai..kisi bhi chutiyo ko power dedo
Great analysis and report! As a chemist, I am aware that phosphines, arsines, silanes, and other very high purity toxic and highly pyrophoric chemicals are involved in semiconductor manufacture. Extraordinary safety measures need to be adopted and strictly enforced--if not another Bhopal will result. (The safety culture and regulations are quite relaxed in India--even still today!) Once the wafers are doped, they need trace and ultra-trace level analytical chemistry for quality control. And then lasers for the engraving/etching process. Very capital and high skilled labor-intensive. But I think it is ultimately completely worth it given the uneasy relationship with China. I am confident India will do well eventually with more investment and encouragement.
How do you change the culture tho? People tend to take shortcuts instead of following the specifications and processes. Even people in management instruct workers to cut corners to increase their numbers and impress their bosses.
@@thunderb00mYou come straight to the point! If severe, immediate consequences (suspension/termination/penalties/fines/lawsuits) result in taking shortcuts and workers have decent salaries, they will think twice before doing so. Employees need to be held accountable for their actions. This calls for efficient, effective management & oversight. Semiconductor quality control is unforgiving! The culture needs to be implemented in stages. Obviously will take time and is difficult to implement.
Great content ! Love your semiconductor series. Especially the ones on TMSC. Can you share some reference links to read further on Indian semiconductor industry?
For some reason, certain countries like India and Nigeria have always been stuck in stagnation. It's like a "curse"... metaphorically speaking of course.
@@AndrewManook everything is well planned in here.If you look the papers it will have comprehensive plan on every thing for next 15-20 years.But,the problem is implementation.Everything is in hand of power hungry politicians and socialist cancer suffering beurocrates.They will promise everything but do nothing.After that In Gov. Services we have reservation of certain backward you classes too much reservation have totally filled the office with lazy corrupt people.Gov. employs are corrupt and only focus on their own personal growth.In India to get a gun you need 19 documents but to open a restourant 25 documents are required.This can clearly show you Our whole system is made on communism principle,Its need to be upgraded for rapid change not free market and everything should be privatise but still lenieny for enterpreneurship requires
@@aberba nigeria have oil..But,its still struggling .I don't hear much of news but what i had heared is about corrupt leader.And,then I have heared about terrorism.If Nigeria is going on central asian way then poverty will never going to be down.As they also have oil but radicalisation and insurgency is soo high,plus the corruption of leaders.Nigeria I guess need a rationale business minded and a leader with religious tolerance attitude to tackle down insurgency and use the country 's potential oil and youth.
Also as someone that has worked in the semicon industry before, a lot of their procedures require extreme cleanliness ie no dust. Now maybe that plays a factor
A very accurate analysis of this very important issue... As an Indian, I do feel that we need to focus on this issue a lot more than others coz the future of technology lies there... & So does the future of India & Many thanks for you huge efforts & making it so easily understandable...
Hello. Very interesting channel. I am from Bulgaria and if you are interested Bulgaria in the 1960 - 1980s was also producing Microelectronic Integrated Circuits and IBM and Apple 2 computer clones under the name Pravetz. If you think this is interesting may be you can make a video about it. During this period of time Bulgaria was a Socialist country and this production was owned and controlled by the government. Today there are no Semiconductor Foundries in Bulgaria, mainly outsourcing. During that peroid of time the Semiconductor Node was probably 2um and 1 Metal layer of Aluminium.
listening to him is like playing a nationwide SimCity game. he talks about stuff like skilled labor who can learn how to use the expensive equipment, hiring good engineers from places that teach good courses like IITB, and more stuff like that. It was actually like I was the third person playing the game, and deciding what kind of decisions to make in order to setup a semiconductor fabrication hub. so cool. subbed brother!
I thank Asianometry for making this episode. I am a resident of Mohali and know some working in SCL, but never knew what I learnt from this report. Incidentally, the latest news is India & Taiwan are now discussing possibility of "Make in India Next-gen Chips"
@@hbk7837 most people in india nowadays are like that haha kya kar sakte hai, unhe apne country mein kuch problem nazar hi nahi aati and hence woh in problems ko sudharna zaruri nahi samajhte BECAUSE to them there are no problems bro, WE ARE PERFECT, VISHWAGURU or some shit :p
I am an Indian and IMO, this is a good report. There was no bias, blames, doubts on capabilities and racist views. The video gave just facts. India is behind in semiconductor fabs. Indians, generally, don't have problem when people point out our weaknesses for constructive criticism. It is only when people just show them with the intent of shaming Indians, we remind them that no country is perfect and their country has problems too. We give them their own medicine.
this has been your most watched video given it keeps popping on my feed every day.Nice to see your channel growing.Also i have been seeing your channel getting posted on one of my subreddits after i recommend your video once.
The indian state has handed over the effort to private firms. In a counter proposal, the private firms have asked the govt for full market access. That means banning imports of chips and LCD panels and forcing the Indian public to buy only Indian made chips and displays. This proposal too was also acknowledged.
Good summary. For more than 2 decades I have witnessed my own course from design to manufacturing and worked in all the major fabs in the world wearing bunny suits. The devil is in the details. We should learn to manufacture power electronics discrete low level gates components first and AMP up consistency and yield to give room for a larger scale to bring a manufacturing mind set. Even MEMS are a good option. In the past two decades not a single instance of such trend has happened, and I fear we can ever adapt and do new things. The problem is also related to large scale design houses choosing India as a destination to design. Really here it is the people's intelligence that is tapped on. The moment AI chip designing becomes a well established enterprise, the demand to Indian designers will collapse. There is a third level of efficient supply chain problem. That is e-waste recycling. Taiwan recovers gold, Silver, Copper and other valuable materials to maintain harmony with nature. If I see the attitudes of social responsibility, we fail miserably for common household trash. Forget chip waste. Perhaps it is better for the country not to have any of these western ideas. Our infrastructure crumbles each time when large-scale industries step in India. Stick to simple and efficient ones first, then aim for bigger goals.
Thanks for such elaborate video. Recently, there has been speculations that Taiwan's company TSMC would invest $7.5b to build a fabrication plant in India. I hope that pens out well.
I have worked with Indians engineers when Ericssons was still manufacturing in Australia. They are very smart individuals. Just like the Chinese, they think outside the squares.
I hope you enjoyed the video. Like, subscribe, and all that. And if this stuff interests you, I suggest checking out the Global Semiconductors playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLKtxx9TnH76QEYXdJx6KyycNGHePJQwWW
Thank you very much for making very interesting and high quality video’s like this.
There are one more failure story by "Vedanta " is another company who failed in 2008 to build a factory in North India. Tata group is looking to enter semiconductor manufacturing and they are started to work on it from 2020.
When there's a problem - gov't is always the origin. Stop giving legitimacy to democracy by your vote. There is no one thing in a human life in need of central power or majority voting. You trust competition in every aspect in your life, but not when it comes to law making and security. What works perfectly everywhere else is not working when it comes to laws and order - you think. This is how stupid you are.
Could you please make video on India leading IT company Tata Consultancy services or TCS.
Good Research 👍 Asianometry.
India has top talent and the capability in almost all major industries. Petty politics, Lack of quality leadership and accountability is the reason for this sad state. Most intelligent people are pushed out of the country because the old guard doesn't want change.
its a cultural thing. The ones with their fingers in the "ghee" want it all for themselves and will have it at ANY cost.
The gandhis and the left ruined the nation
@@pro0047 How so
@@pro0047 nothing gonna change brother..we have missed the bus ..because of this sarkari nauker ...i will not blame goverment for it ..ye sarkari nauker saale sab maderchod hai..
Remember 400-600 Million people didn’t have toilets before Modi came. The establishment was happy with this. That tells you why we are behind. The vested interests are bandicoots eating the nation from inside out.
What timing dude, India and TSMC just had a talk over setting up 7.3 billion USD, semiconductor development plants in India. I think someone watched your video and went like, this is going out of hands 🤣🤣
Well, he is talking about history.....not about now?
@@manojramesh4598 Did you watch the whole video, My dude?
He ended it up saying Government has to do much more to catch-up.
Video was posted 4 days ago and if you see my comments, I was just joking that someone watched this video and went like let's make a semiconductor deal! 🙂
@@rockstarzzzw200 haaaa.......buy the way we need to create scientific environment and mentality in our country, then only it is advantageous for us❤️
I felt same
@@manojramesh4598
buy the way lol
that means purchase the road
its by*
I didn't know India even had a plan for semiconductor manufacturing.
Same
Bro we manufacture our semiconductors for isro and defence . We have a facility in Punjab which has 180mm process
@@chidambaranathans1975 now it is moving to 45nm
btw its 180nm
@@chidambaranathans1975 ya but it's nothing compared to the world😬
@@aizen_yadava Don't think like that!! 180nm is used in quite few areas. Most of the industrial chips are even 300nm ones. Fabs need constant big $ upgrade.
Having started as process engineer in '70s and risen to the highest levels in that area, I know a thing or two about how to get successful fans going. Fires, power interruption etc. etc. are surmountable, but lack of discipline, pettiness, political interference, 'know it all', sycophantic behavior towards anyone who is non-Indian, no pride in one's work, and to make a quick buck are very hard to overcome. Simply put semiconductor manufacturing requires discipline and perseverance. That's the root cause why semiconductor manufacturing has not survived. And if India is to survive in an increasing hostile world, it better get in house semiconductor manufacturing and invest in it for the long haul as if their very existence depends on it
He should've mentioned that jc bose is the inventor of the PC diode, he noted tye property tye first time
Well said 👏
DISCIPLINE and DEDICATION sadly lacking
I think you said that very well.
Sir, DISCIPLINE, DEDICATION AND DETERMINATION, without which we will go nowhere. I was in manufacturing , heavy engineering, started in late '70s and am deeply distressed by the very poor skills of technicians and workmen. Your comments are spot on.
I still remember how Intel went to Vietnam after dumping bangalore because the lack of speed by our govt officials.It was back in 2005 when i was 15 years old or something. I used to track the events from newspaper and buisness today magazines.Intel setup their sem fab center in Vietnam at a cost of 10 billion $. And because of Intel's entry, Samsung and other electronics companies also came to Vietnam. Today both Intel and Samsung accounts around 60% of the total 220 billion $ exports from vietnam, ie about 130 billion $. It also created around 1 million + jobs.And today India's total export is around 350 billion $. Compare the lost possible exports by Intel and Samsung with our present exports. What a big loss for our country becoz of our incapable buerocracy.
Same with Tesla, now they'll setup in other countries
My group has set up a $150 million networking component manufacturing unit in Vietnam. We are all ex CISCO employees (all Americans of Indian origin) and we chose Vietnam instead of China and of course India. However, 35% of all parts are still made in Shenzen. Vietnam is ideal - lower labor than China, fast set up, huge incentives, port is 1 hour away from factory, highly skilled engineers are only issue. Funny part is we hired 25 top IT/Networking engineers from India. They will train our Viet staff. Hope India improves - but for now, they are jokers.
@@danko5866 totally different situation with tesla, tesla just wants the market access with priority tariff benifits without doing any of the manufacturing stuff
@@danko5866 tesla basically wants to scam us lmao
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Replace "Semiconductor" with names of other advanced Industries, and you have a script for why India missed the manufacturing bus entirely.
Congress ideology was, is and will be backward and hurt india indefinitely
@@atulit
Under Modi rule, all Companies leaving China set up their plants in Thailand, Indonesia, but didn't go to India.
@@crusadercatwoman02 you can't build skyscrapers in swamp you need to harden the earth first, getting prerequisite takes time, india is already so deeply wounded in 70 years that can't be altered within less than 7 years with constant backslash from opposition
@Flame That's just a pessimistic view, that's not a constructive approach, if you can't have white ball, choose less grey ball that's how world work
@Flame Yes, Do you have better suggestions? Problem here in this country is that there would be tons of people complaining, but none would come forward to alter? Cherish those who are atleast doing some work
It goes to a larger truth - India sorely missed out on the electronics manufacturing revolution which is what lifted Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Malaysia after the WW2. By the time India realised, it was too late. She was always playing catch-up and the economies of scale had already been realized elsewhere. Tough lesson but one to keep in mind.
Thing is people are pessimist and risk averse. Take farm laws everybody knows it will unlock productivity but no.
@@edgemsbrowse7467 Farm laws will improve choice for the small farmer. That’s what it does.
The current shortage could provide a vaccum in the market maybe ?
Socialism left india in the past.
@@rajwade695 it was evil of colonialism that forced majority of former colonies to go after Socialism.
And it worked so wonder for them that they are happy to let it go !!
Bhai there are 3 main business in India
1. Education (coaching exams etc)
2. Weddings
3. Elections
It doesnt happen in other countries? Real reason- "INCOMPETENT & BAD POLITICS"
And real estate. Keep buying and selling the land again and again
😂.. That's evergreen.
It really shame their is no indian reporter who cover indian plight of semiconductor industry 😭👍🇮🇳
LOL re-read the title ... no indians would like that .. every citizen wants to hear the successes otherwise they'd revolt...
@@subrotoxing8214 crap
Such negative attitude can be held by peeps like you only.
@@himansh4812 clearly you have no clue about human nature.. Read dale carnegie's how to win friends and influence people and maybe you'd understand^^
@@subrotoxing8214 lol. I have read that. And you don't have to be a sheep. You have to use your critical analysis and understanding. Gobbling up others thoughts and opinions alone would turn you into a brainless zombie. Sadly lots of today's youth feel they have knowledge, but in reality they only have some information crammed imto their tiny little skulls.
@@himansh4812 you now make the false assumption that anyone acquire such critical thinking skills from birth. Which is a critical fault in your argument. Therefore its flawed.
Indian engineers go to philippines for semiconductor related training. I am one of the instructor in training. The problem of indian engineers are they look themselves as a highly educated people that knows everything. Everytime I finished discussing the topic in the training, I asked if they understand the topic. They will reply that they know already the topic that I discussed. I asked them to do it by their selves and none have been finished after 4hrs.I just laughed at them and told that they are in training and not in college. There is no grades in training and if they dont understand, they should asked for clarification.
This is exactly a typical indian.😂😂
You are dealing with a nation full of emotional in-secure people. In-secure people always claims that knows everything before you finish explaining to them in details. They do that in the professional world.
It's the Indian ego
Indian culture is all about bluster
Yes Indian ego fueled my ancient Indian “ achievements “ in Science …so we know everything .. how come you teach us ??
@@noxous582 soon after birth, a pen drive is fitted into the head of indians. ancient data in this pen drive controls the thought of the indian for their entire life. this is good for purity of tradition, which is what indians most care about. it also avoids the chance of loosing the race in which most other people seem to spend their lives.
All talent leave India as soon as they have the opportunity. As long as there is burgeoning problem such as corruption, weak judiciary and law enforcement, unemployment, bureaucracy and lack of political will at the top India’s growth will be at snail pace with major inequality.
India have no shortage of talent even though she has brain drain. There are more problems than talents.
Dude every 1 in 6 person In the world is indian , so even if some people left , it will not make any difference
Indian government and beurocracy hates private companies and it hates even providing high quality products n services to its people. It always focuses to minimalist lifestyle, cheapest not the best. Not a single Indian IT companies succeeded in India. They succeeded because they worked for American companies or they were American companies in India. As a matter of fact not a single indian company has been successful in India. Indian companies succeeded only when they partnered with a foreign company. Basically they were the sales and distribution companies for foreign products.
@@skagraw2 Zomato, swiggy, ola, urbanclap , etc Crying in the corner . Lol. India literally went from 3 unicorns to 63 unicorns and you say that government doesnt give a shit? What a joke. I guess you still use physical currencies alot instead of using paytm, phonepay, etc since I think you have no Idea about these.
Get your facts right man. And please dont get manipulated by "leftist" media as there job is only to manipulate data and show half truth which favors parties like khangress, AAP, etc.
@@kripanshusharma360 liscious is a unicorn as well, so? zomato swiggy urbanclap are "tech" companies eh? may be, u also think India got its independence only in may 2014!
I talked to Indian and Pakistani acquaintances about this before. They told me a good part of the problem is a culture thing. The infamous bureaucracy doesn't understand the semiconductor business and the sacrifices needed to stay on the bleeding edge. Additionally, they are culturally "cheapskates" as they'd like to put it and there is always brain drain as top talent never stays because they're too stingy to pay competitively. As if there's a mindset that everyone is always replaceable. In the most technically demanding fields, this could not be more false.
The main problem is how India hires its bureaucrats , that hiring process is from colonial era and it attracts muggers 😂
Culture and religion and technical progress are always at odds with each other. And God prefers to keep it that way so that he can torture his devotees to the fullest extent.
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@@mattwaala yup,and those incompetent idiots are celebrated as if they have conquered the battlefield 🤣
Interesting... I feel like Germany is suffering from a similar problem, but on a much higher level, so it is not as visible or consequential.
I remember back in 2015 there was a lot of craze of semiconductor manufacturing to start here but then in 2016 the government of Gujarat said it won't spend money and expected private companies to lead the funding, or something similar and then the whole thing fizzled out. Tata, a month ago once again glared up hopes they want to start to manufacture semiconductors. Let's see how that one works ago.
Narsimha S isn’t Vedanta a mining company
@@rishk1 Twinstar, they are a subsidiary of Vendata so yes
Unless tata does more then car manufacturing they won’t be able to afford it. Even buying dirt cheap equipment to make commodity chips doesn’t make a good business plan when you make enough clean room space.
@@rydplrs71 Tata indeed does more than make cars Tata motors isn't even their largest group company.
@S G - Semiconductor design and manufacturing is a capital intensive undertaking and that only the government can afford to splurge huge amount of money with ROI in the next ten years or getting nothing at all. The US built their technological strength courtesy of Federal fundings on basic research via DARPA and other alphabet agencies. The Indian government should step up to the plate and spearhead the development of semiconductor design and manufacturing and then handover the management and marketing to a competent private concern.
I important thing you forgot about the tough sanctions that were placed on India from 1998-2008 after the Nuclear tests of 1998. As a result SCL wasn’t able to acquire critical components from US and EUROPE. The sanctions we so tough that India couldn’t even get SUPER COMPUTERS so we had to make our own from scratch. So after the sanctions were lifted in 2008 SCL was able to restart manufacturing of chips
Don't bluff.
@@liho1738 Facts....
@@liho1738 oh look... Another India-hating troll
Forget microprocessors even basic 74 series logic gates are not made here. The logic gates made SCL were highly unreliable. We never used these in our products but instead chips imported from abroad.
Not a valid excuse, China face much tougher sanctions.
I think the main difference for China and India tech is that more Chinese engineers are willing to coming back from western countries.
(I hold no "India-hating" emotion when I write this reply, I wish our southern neighbor can have a prosperous future. Believe it or not, even though Chinese like to make jokes about India but deep down we all wish India to be our next biggest trading partner, just like a few century ago.)
8:24 Thats what I'd like to call the Indian Experience. Losing progress is kindof our thing. Smart/driven people suffocating under a dysfunctional ideology driven system.
Chill you dork, it was a accident not a bureaucratic failure nor some kind of social injustice.
@@ravishbhasin7041 well the sanctions on india by usa didn't allow for important components import and low forex reserves and failure of socialism in india at the same time.. in 1991 etc...
@@bababistril this is beyond the level of bureaucratic failure or social injustice, it was a tough geopolitical situation. Sanctions on India was due to Nuclear tests it had done. I believe it was still the right choice. Low forex reserve were truly a issue due to socialistic tendencies and trying to control everything on government level acting like a messiah, thanks Narsimha Rao it was dealt with when India opened its economy. However biggest fault lies with Manmohan singh who wasted 10 goddamn years twiddling his thumbs sitting on his PM chair like a dumb animal while everyone was fucking up the system under him, scams after scams after scams. The level of blunder he committed is unforgivable. I am extremely tough on him because our lineages have a link on a family level, I never wished him to be such a dull and useless man.
@Mayuri Vietnam cannot be next China, its a stupid propoganda to show India the ground. Vietnam neither has the size, nor the manpower, nor the capacity to hold that level of capability to run so much shit around itself. While Vietnam will grow up to be more successful and industrious in the region, its not going to become China. Most of the Infra bullshit will be fixed in just a few years, believe it or not because NHAI is throwing so much money into the projects and completing them way ahead of time. We've broken world records. We have Modi and his cabinet to thank for it, I just hope there are more people like Nitin and Piyush. India currently has more roads than US and China, only thing lacking is the highways and expressways compared to China. India became 2nd most attractive manufacturing destination in just a year by reforming its policies and PLI is a roaring success, we are second to China only and being alternative to China is a huge boon because of rising hatred for the nation and communist policies being a impediment. You might have not realized it yourself but the amount of work done in manufacturing sector is already slowly starting to pay off. By 2025 you'll have so many manufacturing hubs and India will easily overtake the Phone market. Let us not put ourselves down, our people are working their hardest. It's better to be positive than blindly negative.
@Mayuri I hope that might be the case but Vietnam is not going to be the next China in any time soon (less than 10-15 years is impossible). Delta variant crippled our country hard this year, especially regions with the highest concentrated industrialized level. So FDI and other sources of investment are leaving our country, or at least they allocate demands to other countries in SEA who can supply (due to better anti-Covid strategy). Lots of companies are reconsidering the prospect of investing into our country.
There was Hindustan Semiconductor (Fairchild collaboration) plant in Gujarat in 70s. It manufactured analog components like transistors and LM741 like ICs. This was closed due to some labor strike.
It was government intervention that messed the whole thing up. China started a new project a few years ago and got a veteran from TSMC to head up the building of a new fab. Project tanked.
Really liked this video. As a commentator has said "replace semiconductor with any manufacturing technology" , and you have India. I recently returned from New York to join my dad's business in electrical manufacturing. I had this "H1B visa", a cushy job and an opportunity to live in the best city in the world. Period. But I decided to come back to Bangalore to innovate in soft starter manufacturing. However, there are MAJOR issues with the infrastructure in the industrial area where I'm at (Peenya). There's the worst roads, garbage strewn around, and worst, erratic electrical supply. Some of this might not be related to production per se, but hey, no one likes to walk to the nearby canteen getting covered in mud, or have your bed blown off trying to navigate the nth crater on the road. And it sucks to have to pay for your own electricity when the BESCOM power just tanks due to one drop of rain. Unfortunately, all cries for help fall on deaf ears since no one lives in an industrial area.... And hence no votes for the MLA to care about. Unfortunate perverse incentives at play. Talent isn't too bad though, although many candidates I interviewed had poor vocational skills having gone to a shoddy institute run by an entrepreneur politician. Long story short, the infra and setup in India and Bangalore in particular, was always anti-manufacturing. It's amazing the sheer will mine and my fellow companies have in running their firms in an area which looks worse than war-time Kabul. It's no surprise then that IT came to Bangalore and India, and continues to drive the start up revolution. There was no regulation, smart talent, availability of computers, and ironically, no help from government needed. As a result, IT drove most of India's growth, employing tens of thousands, and millions later. It was IT that got the dudes in Gurgaon and Bangalore to build these (private) tech parks, and got the fancy pubs and restaurants in these places. Even now, parts of Whitefield have Singapore like infra inside, with Badlapur like outside. However, I do feel that times are changing and there are reasons to be happy. For all its ills, this present government is doing a good job in investing in road infrastructure, and our highways have tremendously improved. There's more and more amazing and daring talent coming out and cities like Bangalore/Gurgaon, and are resulting in amazing entrepreneurs like Bhavish Agrawal drive the EV revolution. Recently Tata has decided to enter the EV market full scale and are investing in semiconductor technology too. Long story short, I am cautiously optimistic of India IN. JAI HIND 🙏
Sir aap india me rahe aap ka shukriya aaap badhe ek din hum mil k change karege indian problem ko
Vous voyez, il y a un espoir. A vous de jouer !
Stay with it, light at the end of the tunnel. My very best wishes!
As an Electronics and Communication Engineering student, this is really heartbreaking
As an electronics engineer from Mumbai, india, the more I looked into stuff n politics n the paper work needed is maddening. I left India for good. I've been into microcontrollers & coding since I was 10-12 years old and even did my bachelors only to see IT companies snatching jobs away n pure electronics with poor pay. They just want our coding skills n try push us heavily into IT sector n bangalore.
Heck, in my 4 years study i know 3 good colleges in Mumbai remove electronics engineering as subject. Even my department 1 year after I left has reduced the number of classes from 2 till 1. All cuz there's no scope or hope. They push for electronics & telecommunications (like what u did) cuz again, IT sector where the telecom part plays the part.
Some have asked n told me to come back to India so that talent doesn't leave India. But I'm so done with it, I'm never going back and planning to even leave my citizenship. Don't care, have suffered already too much pain n would complete masters in UK n after that for Nordic/Scandinavian countries or Switzerland or Japan. (mostly in schengen counties)
@Suprabh Pranjal horizon is is something that never reaches us n always is there. No matter how much u chase it you'll only fond new horizons. Its the same as "tomorrow never comes" cuz "there's always a new tomorrow". And on top of that the Indian attitude of "chalta hai" & "jugaad" with the education system that values memory over problem solving skills, it's never gonna attract the talents it has in its own land/soil.
People either leave for better stuff, like good pay work n happiness with balanced life that too in a better n developed country where people know what courtesy is (even like driving for eg) OR people stay n see their hoes n dreams be crushed or find a job they like better but not in the electronics industry weirdly enough.
@@aallearn4927 yes well said! Hope for the best
Nope create your own idea.
corrupt Indian government RIP india under modi
I used to work in America's semiconductor industry and it requires a lot of infrastructure for everything to work properly. We had two massive diesel generators in the event of a power outage because even 5 minutes of down time has the potential to ruin tens of thousands of wafers currently being processed. It's a very delicate process which is why even China still has trouble with manufacturing semiconductors today.
中国半导体是因为电？你在搞笑吧？主要是起步比别人晚，而且一直在制裁，还有就是骗补贴的，不懂就别乱说话。
also tens of thosands of money
Nah you need a infinity source of very clean water so much that your cities don't go dry with India's groundwater dropping more than 5% each year its not sustainable. Also due to global warming and erratic rain patterns no backup for water source. Glad we missed this expensive party
@@lelins300 Very sensible answer 👍. Not always do we need to be on the bleeding edge as it could be detrimental to us in the long run. Not sour grapes though. But curious how Taiwan manages the water supply.
8:00 It took EIGHT YEARS to reopen after the fire. That shows a massive lack of urgency. You can’t run any business, if it can’t recover from setbacks.
There were sanctions on the country for it's experimentation of Nuclear technology.
They couldn't even figure out the cause of the fire. That's really sad. If you can't pinpoint the cause of a problem, and fix it, you will not succeed in large-scale, hi-tech manufacturing.
It's an immense tragedy. To imagine India could have housed Fairchild !!
I hope someone from the government sees this.
No use, the government worker is just interested in getting his or her salary. Top of the food chain just looks to win the next election somehow. As long as you keep succumbing to the religion card, you will never be on par with a developed country.
Nah, the Indian government is pretty much useless. The industry has some pretty tight margins and there isn't much scope for bribes.
I was in India in 1989 as a tourist, and the red tape was insane! People were joking that red tape and bureaucracy was India's biggest industry.
IT'S THE END FOR ENDIA
...and it was ahead of TSMC and Samsung in 1984
I didn't know India came this close
TWO MONTHS AGO????
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@@leanderbarreto6523 damn maybe i should get it then
@@leanderbarreto6523 ??? How is it 2 months agooo ?? Why ?? What is it
@@Enxuvjeshxuf yes bro ??? Why is it showing 2 months ago ??
Exciting times for semiconductor stocks TSMC, AMD and NVDA. which are all experiencing a surge in value. It's interesting to watch the competition develop, given these stocks are major contributors to Al chip growth. On the increase of my personal holdings, I've witnessed amazing impact on my shares.
Intel and AMD will definitely have their share of the market. TSMC is at max capacity and investing in other semiconductor companies will be an absolute power move, Different chips are good at different things and Nvidia has been very specialised, which leaves other aspects of Al open.
This is the type of in-depth detail on the semiconductor market that investors need, also the right moment to focus on the rewarding AI manifesto.
Im unconvinced about intel future. Do you really think nvidia can keep up this surge rate and stream for the better part of the decade.
certainly, i had bought NVDA shares at $300, $475 cheap b4 the 10 for 1 split and with huge interest I keep adding, i’m currently doings the same for PLTR, POET and AMD constructively. Best possible way to get ahead, is participating behind top experienced performers.
How much of their stock do you own? Seems like a lot of your interest is riding on this
I was surprised to hear one fire accident would destroy the entire semi-conductor industry? It does not sound convincing enough for me. Even in those days, chip companies would have multi-sites with backup operations and expertises exactly for this kind of eventualities.
If there were no fire, there would be another reason, because a reason must be found for the failure anyway.
Espionage
Don’t believe everything you hear.
I guess the machines are so expensive they could only have one.
I believe its leadership and human capital which was their ultimate downfall, ive worked in companies where slowly, a large majority of the workforce is replaced, and as expected, the quality and professionalism gives way to corruption and nepotism, its not unheard of whole departments staff who are related either by blood, village or state lines.
Indian companies can spend enormous amounts of money but they need guaranteed gains.
No such thing as guaranteed gains exists.
So they want an investment with no risk?
@@Roseblindbags123 yes, they want like government projects
@@tanishqbhaiji103 That's not the only reason. government brings legislations depending on their mood. Why would anyone want to invest when Government can bring a legislation taxing all their income right from 1961. Who would trust such a Govt? And this is irrespective of who is ruling.
@@tushar4evr776 government brings legislation in their = pay.
The gain doesn’t have to direct money.
I didn't even know we did anything related to semiconductors
@@userre85 They just assemble. They import IC and just assemble them in their facility.
bruh, it's been in talks from months now, Like few months back, when Tata stepped in the semiconductor manufacturin.
We are doing from 1980
@@kkk2.077the results arent impressive or even decent enough
@@rawnanle
It will not happen until our Government retain its socialist policies
It is a pity India can't fully utilize so many of their amazing talents I seen and met so many Indian's who are so well versed in their field of study/expertise. But most end up deciding to settle in the countries outside that hired them since they are appreciated there more than their own country.
There is way too much politics everywhere , very few are passionate about the actual work, rest is junk
Quality of life is worst. And from the judicial system to the police, everyone is openly corrupt.
India didn't signed NPT...so foreign companies cannot transfer higher semiconductor technologies to indian companies....similar restrictions for nuclear, aerospace, super computers, critical software.....
Funny thing is....many Indians working in these fields in other countries
Just another semi factual video no much importance...
What is NPT ? No Penis Talking?
@@solidfuel0 Non Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons
I doubt this is the reason, all companies care about profits, had they had good environment to invest in India, things wouldve been different.
India is strategic partner to these western jokers ! We cannot trust them and need to find our way out.
Thanks for the informative video.
I'm an indian and i work in SoC design for a US company.
Good to know that atleast we tried to enter the race.
It seems semiconductor manufacturing tech is so insanely difficult and ultra expensive that it's even a miracle that any country can have a self sustaining semiconductor industry. Even the US has sold out most of it's semiconductor industry to Taiwan and South Korea in hopes of leveraging scale of efficiencies and cost savings. Just one single CPU generation costs billions and billion of dollars just to tool up for. It's crazy.
I think a nuclear technology is far more difficult than that..
@@abdur1300 No its not. Semiconductor technology is the pinnacle of engineering. If one day, we manage to come up with Fusion reactors, they would take the crown from semiconductor technology.
@@abdur1300 you need to study more.
@@AnkhArcRod we are building a fusion reactor RN, dunno how successful it will be tho.
@Phillip Mulligan I have read about a comment on semiconductor manufacturing company situation from a Taiwanese student few days back.
He is not at all happy.
He said their young generation life is destroyed in this field.
They cannot even switch jobs in this.
As I'm from India,most Indian engineers cannot face this torture.
Its better to be an IT engineer than doing job in this hell.
I remember when india and china had that skirmish and those indian "propaganda" videos saying china semicon company will move to india 🤣🤣 what bs at that time
Indian government wasted too many opportunities
They do however have a sprawling fake Microsoft support call industry! It’s just a question of where they set their priorities.
@@geraldh.8047 That's the old govt. The current govt has brought a lot of schemes for electronic startups and many others. Hopefully they focus on setting up fabs more. India has one of the highest number of Chip designers in the world. Intel has their offices in even tier 2 cities In India for their reason. But when it comes to manufacturing chips we are far behind. Things are changing now. Last quarter India registered the highest number of Unicorns and its highest FDI in the last decade so I wouldn't say the game's over yet. It depends on what decisions the govt takes from now.
Internal corruption
@@MarcoPolo-hn8or The License Raj thing was stupid. The procedure for private business to operate in India at that time is too arduous, they wasted their opportunity to become Factory of the World
IT'S THE END FOR ENDIA
It breaks my heart to know that India imports worth about INR 2.0 Lakh crore (US$ 25-27 billion) every year whereas tiny nations like Taiwan, Korea etc. have the capability to manufacture and we don't.
It's not about the size though, but about the level of development. Taiwan and Korea especially are much more technologically advanced countries.
well there are alot of factors, mainly, lack of silicon, skilled workforce, and most of all, huge population to feed, hopefully population will start going downwithin two decades
@Ciskolunar Yes I agree. Even Europe and US have fallen way behind the Koreans, Taiwanese and Chinese in fab manufacturing.
But what is the reason behind our failure ? What is the role of our Govt. regarding this matter ? In spite of being a very small country these two small countries are technologically advanced . Should we not be ashamed of it ? I personally think that our brilliant students should be sent to these countries to be well trained . Thanks from India .
@@jayantasen3567 The biggest reason according to me is that India adopted the socialist model where the govt (aka the public sector) was to manufacture all hi-tech goods including the semiconductors. However, the Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese adopted the capitalist model where the private companies with the full support and funding from the govt was to take lead in industrialization. Indian govt companies (PSUs) stood no chance in competing with the likes of Samsung, TSMC etc.
It’s wonderful to listen to you. While most analysis have fallen down to low grade exhibitions, the topic you choose as well as the objective presentation is highly commendable and informative. Thank you for your critical work.
There is no shortage of smart and talented people in India. But Indian political leadership sucks because they are a Democracy. Like all Democracies, the masses of idiots will always vote for stupid leaders who talk well, but can't deliver on anything. That's why most of India's best and brightest will leave the country.
Thomas Sowell summed it up like this: "Indians will succeed everywhere, except India."
"Indians will succeed everywhere, except India.", that's hurt but true.
Indians boast, brag, arrogant. They like to talk and talk. That's why if you want to talk look for Indians. If you want to get things done promptly look for the Chinese. That explanins why Indians will vote for demagogues. Talk and talk but nothing gets done.
12:49 I wonder why Indian had customs duty on fab equipment? Typically such duties are to protect domestic makers of such equipment. Which don't exist in India, I believe?
Customs duties are also just a slightly hidden tax, and governments love taxes.
Protectionism, just as many South American countries such as Brazil.
@@geraldh.8047 True but I always thought customs duty as a steady revenue source for the government was more of a 19th century idea, before taxes.
@@yixuanzhong6568 Right, but does India have a significant foundry production machinery industry that needs to be protected? Not the fab industry but the actual equipment.
@@capmidnite less than 3 percent of the people pay an income tax in india. customs taxes are a way to raise funds for the government nothing to do with protection. in countries like the US and such they are a way to protect domestic players.
Fundamentally, the failure was built in at conception. Instead of removing barriers and bureaucracy to the private sector, the government decided to get into the business itself, like it did before, making light bulbs, tractors, watches, telephones and telephone exchanges and on and on to disastrous effect.
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I think you need to update. Have you heard of Samsung built a plant (factory) for making smart phones & that is the biggest in the world, near Delhi? it is working with full production.
Government involvement has been the bane of industry in India. Everything from textiles to silicon.
@@Ironclad17
India is awiting for private industry to take up large-scale industrialisation (investment) for 7 decades. The private sector is yet to measure up to the country's expectations. Failing which the government has to take upon itself the task of industrialasiation & financial reforms (bank nationalisation). They (private sector) don't enter any business if it doesn't give fast returns at minimal investment. Then how can they be trusted & expected to industrialise the country?
@@MrPoornakumar Governments and private sectors both excel at their own things. You're highly overly generalizing the private sector with the whole "if it doesn't give fast returns at minimal investment. " then the private sector wants nothing to do with it. Sure a government can take a loan (or afford it without loaning) of 40 billion to get a semiconductor factory off of the ground in one go and even if it goes bad...meh you loan more or you increase taxes like most governments do. In the private sector that's a good way to bankruptcy, you would be very fortunate to get a second chance after a big screw up like that and even then it often comes down to luck as to whether you make it or not.
A government can afford to go all in with minimal risk to itself. As a private investor you wanna go step by step. To give an example of an industry I am more familiar with Instead of building an integrated steel mill from the get go a private investor will at first build a facility for iron making or casting or product rolling and get good at that part. Once you feel confident in your skills, expertise and have the financial capital to take the risk you add another step. You add say a plant for steel making and you learn to find your footing in that market because the market for iron is vastly different than the one for steel. You rinse and repeat until you've got an integrated steel mill that can do all steps.
Unwieldy bureacracy, corruption, nepotism, politics (both national and international), climate, the laws in place,... All those things determine how much a private investor wants to take the risk in India and how much they can thrive. Perhaps private investors did give it a go and India simply didn't protect them enough thus making the ventures fail. It wouldn't be the first time a politcians didn't properly support an initiative at the right time.
@@TheShadowOfZama
I am talking from the point of the results produced (they are minuscule compared to the expectation sof the size & population of the country). Also I know of the rapacity of some business people who otherwise could have concentrated on higher goals like building a giant industry.
TATA is stepping into semiconductor manufacturing, finally a good sign!!
Now or never
Yes Nd 😁 Taiwan also investing 7 bilion for manufacturing semiconductors 😋
Anyway atleast it will give our some well qualified People's job 😊
Also they wil get trained 😁
It will take atleast 5-6 years to set up a fab and it will take much longer to for them to manufacture chips that are comparable to the high end chips manufactured by the competition.
Taiwan's investment is more promising.
@@Ishpreetb264 Hopefully we will see a joint venture soon if Taiwan is not forced to go with Ambani n Adanis.
@@Sunny-bo1lo I won't be surprised if that happens.
as an Indian watching this and comparing with the investment of $15.2 billion to set up three semiconductor plants in the country including its first fab unit, to be built by Tata Group in collaboration with Taiwan-based company seems like kids trying to get into the college lol
Mybe yhh 😢
I go to an Indian high school (my father was born in India), and now I'm working as an engineer in the US.
This is purely based on my opinion, no offense is meant by this comment my brother
Most of us(Indian) can only say things in theory, concept and etc, we're just memorizing a lot of things, not try to make a new things. We have to change this guys, I think the main reason for this is our education system (you see, most of JEE or IIT test is to measure how well you memorize a lot of formula, yes the question is very hard, but just be honest, most of you have seen that question so many times in prep school, also you've remembered how to do it in only 2 steps with magic formula).
THIS IS WRONG, you have to try to fully comprehend it.. that's what makes Europe/US manufacturing is much better than us despite the easier college entry exam problem. The mindset is just different and this has to change. Stop memorizing, stop theorizing, start to create a real good product. You're an engineer my friend, not a theoretical scientist.
Bro, I don't know how you thought that there's magic formula for questions asked in IITs entrance exams.
IITians don't need any certificate from anyone in the world regards their intelligence. If you want proof for that, go to any major tech firm in your beloved USA and see who are the best performers there.
Furthermore, you aren't in sync with current Indian setup. Visit Bangalore once and there's a startup at every nook and corner. I really believe that we as a nation are on correct path. Just a bit of correct political and administrative help will make this century, the Indian century.
This matches my experience in the past. Training people from USA requires people to understand the context first and why things work that way before you actually start solving problems. When training people from India, the mindset for training looks a bit like programming computers (remind me the Mentat from Dune novel). As human computers they are excellent, but they do not look at other variables that westerners look for. Training people from India requires lots of structure.
It's true!! It's very upsetting how Indian education system focuses on theory rather than encouraging it from practical aspect
@@tabishrabbani3148 See bro here's the problem. Most of these toppers go to iits not to gain knowledge, research and invent new things. They just go to bag 8-9 figures paycheck in billion dollar companies and work under them. If they are research oriented most of them opt for overseas Universities like MITs. One of the Jee adv topper, AIR 1 I guess went to MIT. People treat the tag of IITian as a show off. This needs to change. Our education system should promote more research oriented and analytical skills. Entrance exams should be based on the same. Rather than making exams super hard they should give more importance to what they teach and mend the curriculum. India has a great deal of potential but it's being used up in the wrong direction. If you put students in a box then of course there won't be any out of the box thinking.
@@sjjdhwhjw1257 bro it's easy to criticize IITians that they aren't research oriented. But just compare the budget of IITs with top research universities.
When I was a student there, I remember that Union govt had allotted a budget of 24,000 crores for all IITs while Harvard itself has a budget of 22,000 crores.
For research, you need top notch machinery, labs and equipments which unfortunately isn't possible for a developing nation like us to provide. But down the line as India becomes richer, we can allocate sums required for research.
With the resources we had, we have done greatly as a nation, in last 70 years in the field of human resource development and it is our greatest asset
If you want something said, ask India.
If you want something done, ask China.
- Maitreya Bhakal
Sad and true.
"To understand is hard. But once one understands, then action is easy." -Sun Yat-Sen
What about Democracy shall we ask China?
Until 17 th century India is rich country for thousands of years in case of China 30 years back it’s economy is same as India’s
their working population is nearly 1 billion still India’s working population is 500million by 2050 it will become 1 billion i mean it’s growing
automatically our economy also will grow.
@@446samba As an Indian I strongly feel India don't need democracy. India needs an authoritarian regime that should only concentrate about development and keeping religious politics out. Many Indians criticize the British because of their loot we are poor, though its true. My question is how many years we will still blame the British? There are many countries in the world who gained independence after India are far ahead than India.
When it comes to manufacturing China will always win because of their work force. Indian labor's can never compete with China. I have personally seen myself because labors from India have no discipline. Whereas Chinese labors are workaholics.
@@446samba Ask Jayanth Bhandari whether India can become the next China. Who is Jayanth Bhandari?
Amazing video I am electronics engineer from India, a lot of research and smart policies and governance is required to compete today..
I remember back in the day teaching Indian electronic workers how to fix thru hole mounts, covered by bad soldering, by using a small drill. The next day we found them using a hammer drill. I found that while there's excellent engineers etc, what was really lacking were the skills of the common labourer. Also there was the horrible power grid, with constant brownouts and starting of spare generators. I certainly hope things have improved, because I do have high hopes for India. (This was some 20 years ago)
Growing urbanisation with limited power infrastructure leads to issues. However rather than fixing the grid and supply which will take atleast a few more decades, it's better to have dedicated uninterrupted power lines for special applications that could be aided by generators and batteries.
I've been living in a major Indian city and not experienced a disruptive power cut at work or home in a long time. This is also because I have installed an inverter powered by lead acid batteries.
Also the public education system is horrible and still rooted in colonialism i.e meant to produce slaves not citizens. Politicians don't want to fix the education system because then the people would actually wake up to their BS and vote them out. This is the primary reason why common labourers are lacking skills when compared with other countries.
@@thunderb00m Eh, a lot of places were Colonial and are doing much better than India. It’s not the education system. Its the lack of ability to be educated. Look at the b-roll.
1) Excellent comment and insights. Power has improved. There is a determined effort at expanding renewable energy as Coal and gas (which have expanded a lot but depend on imports) are a sort of millstone around our necks and we have far too much sunshine. eVehicles too is getting policy direction. Progress on the ground is not too bad. However, entry requirement like Silicon production went by the way of semiconductor Technology. I'm told efforts were abandoned because of undercutting by Chinese. Hopefully the pandemic and geopolitical situation will convince those with capital to invest strategically.
@@agenericaccount3935 Malaysia and Mexico were killed by colonialism and yet they revived themselves.
@@PasscodeAdvance Neither were killed by colonialism but both benefitted greatly from being managed and modernized by more advanced peoples. Unfortunately Mexico has squandered whatever it had gotten out of the experience. Malaysia, not so much. Malaysia builds my technology. Mexico builds my... Hard drugs?
So many flammable things in a fab lab. My favorite, and one I depended on heavily, silane. It’s in a class of materials called pyrophoric. Meaning it ignites when exposed to atmosphere! Fun times, glad I now design chips instead of make them.
they probably burned some incense to please gods
This guy definitely needs to have more subscribers 👍👍 well researched and thoroughly analysed makes the videos very insightful to watch!! Great job 👏🏻
''He made video about India he deserves more subscribers'' - you
@@spicesmuggler2452 now where exactly does he say that he deserves more subscribes simply because he made a video on India?
Informative, yes we missed the semiconductor revolution in the 80's and it is hard to get back. Many southeast Asian countries made use of it and are top players now.I too live in Taiwan !!
Hows taiwan doin these days???
With American technology, management and investment.
Isn't a fear of attack of China is there now?!
@@krishnamaity5056 life is normal here as of now, we don't know what future holds
@@Balaji_Guru90 Hope for the Best....From India!
And also, Happy Independence Day to all present here, in advance 🙏🙏🥳🥳🇮🇳
Vedanta - Foxconn recently made a deal of "$20 Billion" investment.
Indian government and TSMC are in talks to bring manufacturing to India. Let’s see if this will work out.
It will if all India does is supply the cheap labor.
@@henli-rw5dw cheap labor is one of the aspects. Need funds, government support and infrastructure alongside as well. Plus there are other global powers to deal with who will do everything in their capacity to ensure india fails. Need a strong government and people’s support.
@@mvcybron this time quad is supporting dont worry it will not fail
Yeah I also read an article something about 56 thousands crore investment in india
@@utkarshyadav5882 56k crore*
What's funny about the BBC Acorn is that that is the computer that ARM was invented for.
Now US based multinational Nvidia has seized ARM's intellectual property in a hostile takeover; ARM designs chips for Nvidia's competitors! Even our UK vassals are frightened and outraged, and are reviewing Nvidia's acquisition as "a threat to national security"! 😆🤣😄😂!!
"... originally Acorn RISC Machine [ARM]" - "ARM Architecture" article on Wikipedia
@@motherlandbot6837 unlikely to happen, a lot of hurdles and opposition
@@motherlandbot6837 dude is you think mentioning pegions and chickens here make you seem like tough intellectual genius then stop, that is cringe and only makes you look pitiful boomer an "ugly old man trying to look modern but failing miserably" at best, no one likes those this is internet so you don't matter that's it admit it and keep calm.
@@motherlandbot6837 you think chicken and pegions can count? Dude you make absolutely no sense.
After 2 days of uploading this video India made a deal with Taiwan worth $7.5 billion for semiconductor manufacturing.
Credit goes to this video? 😂
@@thewitcher8658 na the Domino effect happens in India is crazy. As soon a particular state is selected for foreign or domestic investment, other states too buckle up to provide maximum subsidies and heavy tax relief thus benefiting the investors, generating employment for their citizens.
@@thewitcher8658 yes, a series of videos. I hope everyone make such videos on different subjects.
Taiwanese Companies has 55%+ share for Semiconductor manufacturing... Now, in increasing demand they've a huge pressure & their capacity has exhausted already... They denied some offer for providing semiconductor... They're planning to open the manufacturing unit in India... The talks are going in a+ve way
@@thewitcher8658 absolutely not
Brace yourself for hate comments from “Nationalists”
6:30 in 1982 the bbc micro even had its own tv show to go along with it, called "the computer programme". in 2006 it was the inspiration for the raspberry pi.
15:48 correction- second largest phone assembler not manufacturer we don't have any proper supply chains related to manufacturing of consumer electronics.
The most common reason for fab fire is improper waste disposal
Hahaha, Indians, 😂😂.
I imagine a hazmat guy with a lit cigarette hanging out of his mouth.
@@recoverhealth2062 You got a nice video of you on your channel.
Yeah while you're doing free the nips movements and I won't wear mask movements lol
@@KJ6EAD actually, smoking is absolutely banned in the fab. We have to use a special lint free wipe in the fab to avoid particle generation, but such material is easily combustible, these wipes are used for wiping both acids and solvents. The protocol is to dispose them is segregated bins but ignorant operators might accidentally mix them up, ending in a fire. Some of the chemicals in the fab is instantly combustible upon exposure to air, if the bins are anywhere near these chemicals, you have a recipe for a disaster.
in India, highly educated people dont want to stay in India, they will plan on migration to western countries for his family.
in China, highly educated people would be glad to be part of the team in developing a better China. it is glory they treasure
India need not despair, as someone who is an engineering graduate in the US, you will be suprise how many indian research scientist working in the US such as IBM, Bell Labs, etc. What India need to do is to offer these indian researcher better grants to entice them back to India. Like TSMC founder, indians has as many chance to built one by riding on US knowhow and funding.
That's the problem!! We have good talent both in India & outside but the problem has always been governments dilly dollying handling of the fan industry & it's lack of focussed approach. Semiconductor is a capital intensive industry & the government needs to have a stable & long term plans for it. All the countries where semiconductor industry has grown successfully the government has played a huge part.
India underfunds education and r&d
Entice them back to India... India can never offer them life conditions they have in US. It's completely different lifestyle, culture... Once you get used to it you can never go back. It is very easy to get used to it, especially if you are successful at whatever you do.
Regarding TSMC. They are factory. More or less assembly line. It's business not science. In my eyes scientists that made it all possible are those who made tools TSMC are using. USMC, Carl Zeiss... No one can make highend semiconductors without companies like them. Even more basic level are physicists. Physics is what defines limits of technology.
Educated manpower is not the problem. India has that in spades.
Capital investment, supply chain and technology items needed to kick-start the industry is what is lacking.
Successful Indians graduates who have made it in the developed white USA won't return to backward black India ...... sad but largely factual.
Spoiler alert!!!
Few days back i did a thorough research regarding India’s quest for semiconductor fabs and the first attempt was made in 2006 by a group of US based NRIs named “SemIndia” which was failed. Again another attempt was made around 2013-14 named HSMC and Jayprakash Associates but again failed as both the companies failed to provide requisite documents as per LoI even after several extensions.
That would be my biggest fear abut starting a business in India. I live in Canada but I love India's traditions much more than I love anything about Canada; I have posters of Kali around me; I've read the Gita thousands of times, and I've read the whole Mahabharata; but I don't like the casts system as it is today, and I fear most of all the bureaucracy and corruption. I lived my young years in a country in South America where corruption and bureaucracy were the way of life, and I don't want to EVER again face that kind of thing, like having to bend the knee and give cash to some crooked government guy because he has the power to not approve some bureaucratic requirement. If that happened to me again, I'd probably put an end to the injustice expeditiously, and end up in jail for it.
@@privateerburrows Now it has changed under the current govt. It's much easier to start businesses and startups in India now. You can do it online. And if it is in sectors like drones manufacturing or some other electronics equipment you'd get incentives from the govi. In 2021 India had the most number of unicorns. Under the new PLI scheme many companies thrived.
As far as I can see things have drastically changed in India in recent years. And we can see the results of that too. FDI is in a constant boom many gigafactories are coming up. Now I just hope a foundries setup a fab here.
@@adithyadanaj9768 yeah right. I agree with what EODB measures but ranking 63rd is not a goddamn achievement especially considering that the index only measures the performances of a handful of tier one regions. Modi has done some groundwork but expecting him to carry the nation into prosperity is kinda idiotic considering the legislative and structural deficiencies wielded into the Indian system. Expecting India to get this right is like expecting Frankenstein's monster to behave like a normal human being.
As the Fab business is very risky, India can put its focus on ATMP (Assembly, Testing, Marking and Packing) or OSAT or "more than Moore" device manufacturing. That could be a better start to built an ecosystem.
@@adithyadanaj9768 That’s a pretty rose colored view you are painting there, bud. Are you sure it’s not hyperbole?
Ford and GM have left India. Investments into India have stagnated since 2017-2018. Tesla is still not in India.
Meanwhile, in China semiconductors have rapidly progressed. I am an Indian who has been living in the US since 1994, and have had a pretty successful career in the semiconductor industry.
India has a very very long way to go to catch up to the world in the latest 5nm and 2nm manufacturing of the latest chips.
Your blithe white washing of everything is typical of these you get generation of ultra nationalistic and jingoistic Indians. They never ever acknowledge their significant shortfalls. Living in delusion.
Just today i got the news that Taiwan's TSMC is going to invest 7.5 BILLION DOLLARS for setting up SEMICONDUCTOR FACTORIES..i hope Indian govt get the requisite expertise and Try to promote indigenous SEMICONDUCTOR MANUFACTURING Players to step up and ultimately HELP INDIA BECOME SELF-RELIANT!!
LOVE AND RESPECT FROM INDIA 🇮🇳 SIR!
Gareeb scientist??
It gonna take at least 15 years to advancement of indigenous companies at semiconductor field. Though a good start
@@priyanshubansal4348 Neh!
@@invncble_dp Indeed my friend..But its atleast better than having nothing to begin with i beleive
@@saileshmohanty3317 yess friend 😊
In India Vedanta and Foxconn JV had started to build a semiconductor Manifacturing plant in State of Gujarat and it may take 3 yrs to complete that fab....
lets see how things go by wrt semiconductors manufacturing in India.
Btw thank you Asianometry for wonderful insights
Foxconn? You mean TSMC? Both are giantTaiwanese companies but Foxconn is an electronics manufacturer not semiconductor
@@larryc1616 yeah, vedanta is particularly mining company and Foxconn electronics manufacturing company.
I don't how they will do it😅
But still hoping for best.😊
@@QuantumNinja1.9 bro what do you think about these investments going into semiconductor technology, in what time can we see some progresa
As I have been saying.. Vedanta and Foxconn cannot start a semiconductor fab. I work as a design engineer. These two companies have no experience in starting or running a fab. It was bound to fail as we know now.. shame on Rajeev Chandrasekhar who is the minister of state for electronics who has been misleading people regarding this.. now he has taken a u turn…
India got its revolution in the form of telecom and IT, there is always tradeoff and investment and semi-conductor was big gamble for them and now only they realise its significance
India has not failed, it has not tried hard enough. Chance is always there.
I remember this quite well when I used to live in India. Unfortunately the foundation of this enterprise was handed to government bureaucrats and of course it failed.
Wow
MOU signed between US and India for Semi conductors yesterday 😁
I used a BBC Acorn at the University of the West Indies back in 1989 here in Trinidad and Tobago. 🙂
I had wondered many times about this situation. This really helps me understand why it is highly possible to get software developed there and done well, although little supply for hardware needs. We have looked for years with no luck. I was also surprised to hear that they have the second largest cell phone assembly. Thank you so much.
Because software is labour intensive，hardware is capital intensive.
@@tonylee9363 Right and India despite been through 30 years of Trade liberalisation, it is still a socialist country which hates businesses.
That's main reason why capital intensive businesses will always fail in India.
@@tonylee9363 quite the opposite software doesn't require more than 7-15 people to work on it and most Indian firms are just for fixing bugs in software and their maintainence not for building them, and building good software costs upto billions of dollars. Hardware manufacturing requires established industrial base and supply lines capital is easy to get once you have them India doesn't have the prequisites.
You don't have much experience with software from India do you?
Software requires way less initial investment than Hardware,Hardware also requires infrastructure that is expensive,also knowlege and experience and this experience is hard to get if you arealdy don't have.
Informative Video, nice to know that India did try to emerge as a destination for chip manufacturing hub but could not. Hope is not lost and we could become one of the major exporters of chip in the future ;)
Blaming Indian Bureacracy is a favorite past time. This is absurd. Its a collective failure of all Indians. Culture of working and innovation needs to creep in. Stop strikes and start working. Take a look at Japanese and German Culture of innovation.
It would been nice if Asianometry delved into the deeper thought process behind the government not pushing ahead with its semiconductor plans after the fire hiccup. If there was a strong desire to continue with the path, a single fire could not have been such an insurmountable event. Many Indian rockets failed, another highly capital intensive endeavor, but the government pushed on.
hey I think you people are forgetting india was going through a financial crisis before 1991
The difference is that the rocket isn't mass produced and doesn't have to compete with international ones in a free market,but the rocket is also necessary for india security because of it's conflicts with China.
India never saw it self as a leader. How can it guha still thinks we should not aim to be superpower. What india exceled was bare minimum needed for survival that it could not buy. That is nukes. They are needed to discourage misadventurous of neighbours like china. Now nuke on their own are useless. So we needed a delivery tech i.e. Missiles. So we have a great nuke focussed missile program. But these missiles need target information so we have good satellite program. More than that no we didn't. So we lags all else. But can we build the tech. Yes we can we demonstrated we have the capability to master complex tech. What we lack is intent and our leadership never had that intent. Congress blue blood wants to keep india poor so that they needn't share power with others.
India is not rich country. Failure is a huge setback for them. Semi conductor is hefty and expensive industry.
Financial Issues and western sanctions.
I think Bangalore was better place to start SCL. Punjab was reeling under Pak sponsored separatist led violence at that time. ISRO survived even after spy case though it slowed down development of inhouse cryogenic rockets.
Such a Sad Story How the Whole World would be So Different Now if India Had Succeeded
Not at all. If India succeeded in any form the immediate victim will be India's neighbors because India is an aspiring hegemon.
@@PomegranateChocolate But is a Democracy
@@oliversparks1459 rich boys class system democracy ? the rich lawyer ruling class wondering about hard issues like private jet time allocation and jet fuel price?
They won't succeed. Lol. Time to wake up.
@Ciskolunar ya... been waiting since 1949, and still waiting. LMAO
Future video idea: East Asian fusion reactor research. Lots of movement over past 20 years...
India’s #1 priority should be focused on building infrastructure within the country.
that's what is happening right now
Also toilets.
How about population control?
Do not confuse effects for cause. Culture is biggest problem, but as we know, changing it is at most impossible. And some people think that repeating something what do not work, will work at some point...
And Stop stealing from nighrbours like Nepal. Nepalese youths says they would go on war with India in future as trade is essential and India has completely crippled their economy by blocking trades routes and constant interference.
Great encapsulation of semiconductor industry in India. I wonder why the PLI scheme for semiconductor fabrication has not been mentioned.
This video was done a bit long ago
PLI is very recent. This video was probably shot quite a while back and the editing took time. Plus, PLI situation is still evolving. We don't know which Babu will wake up tomorrow and decide to put an extra tax on PLI exported products.
@@tushar4evr776 Because to much fascination of goverment jobs in our society ....that's why our country destroyed ..I hate government employee from the bottom my heart ..i can't tolerate their faces ..
Haram ki khao or so jao....buss yahi ..sikhaya jata hai..jaatiwad pe naukri mil rahi hai..kya fark padta hai..kisi bhi chutiyo ko power dedo
Great analysis and report! As a chemist, I am aware that phosphines, arsines, silanes, and other very high purity toxic and highly pyrophoric chemicals are involved in semiconductor manufacture. Extraordinary safety measures need to be adopted and strictly enforced--if not another Bhopal will result. (The safety culture and regulations are quite relaxed in India--even still today!) Once the wafers are doped, they need trace and ultra-trace level analytical chemistry for quality control. And then lasers for the engraving/etching process. Very capital and high skilled labor-intensive. But I think it is ultimately completely worth it given the uneasy relationship with China. I am confident India will do well eventually with more investment and encouragement.
How do you change the culture tho? People tend to take shortcuts instead of following the specifications and processes. Even people in management instruct workers to cut corners to increase their numbers and impress their bosses.
@@thunderb00mYou come straight to the point! If severe, immediate consequences (suspension/termination/penalties/fines/lawsuits) result in taking shortcuts and workers have decent salaries, they will think twice before doing so. Employees need to be held accountable for their actions. This calls for efficient, effective management & oversight. Semiconductor quality control is unforgiving! The culture needs to be implemented in stages. Obviously will take time and is difficult to implement.
@@thunderb00m Even if we develop that, there is no garuntee that people will buy chips manufactured by India.
Great content !
Love your semiconductor series. Especially the ones on TMSC.
Can you share some reference links to read further on Indian semiconductor industry?
India's first semiconductor plant install in Gujarat India
Design plant not fabrication, assembling or packaging
For some reason, certain countries like India and Nigeria have always been stuck in stagnation. It's like a "curse"... metaphorically speaking of course.
Because they don't plan their development at all, it is haphazard at best.
@@AndrewManook everything is well planned in here.If you look the papers it will have comprehensive plan on every thing for next 15-20 years.But,the problem is implementation.Everything is in hand of power hungry politicians and socialist cancer suffering beurocrates.They will promise everything but do nothing.After that In Gov. Services we have reservation of certain backward you classes too much reservation have totally filled the office with lazy corrupt people.Gov. employs are corrupt and only focus on their own personal growth.In India to get a gun you need 19 documents but to open a restourant 25 documents are required.This can clearly show you Our whole system is made on communism principle,Its need to be upgraded for rapid change not free market and everything should be privatise but still lenieny for enterpreneurship requires
India and Nigeria? Nigeria is way weaker than India in terms of both defense and economics
@@pratikjadhav5003 maybe a bit. Nevertheless, I see countries two countries with huge human resources but still struggling to move out of poverty
@@aberba nigeria have oil..But,its still struggling .I don't hear much of news but what i had heared is about corrupt leader.And,then I have heared about terrorism.If Nigeria is going on central asian way then poverty will never going to be down.As they also have oil but radicalisation and insurgency is soo high,plus the corruption of leaders.Nigeria I guess need a rationale business minded and a leader with religious tolerance attitude to tackle down insurgency and use the country 's potential oil and youth.
another superb video.
this time on what could have been!
Also as someone that has worked in the semicon industry before, a lot of their procedures require extreme cleanliness ie no dust. Now maybe that plays a factor
One of most valuable videos on youtube. I always wondered why india failed at semiconductor fabrication
This 19 min video taught me a lot about my countries semiconductor race. I wish tHat never broke out.😏
Today India signed +7 bn $ semiconductor manufacturing facility w/ Taiwan.
A very accurate analysis of this very important issue... As an Indian, I do feel that we need to focus on this issue a lot more than others coz the future of technology lies there... & So does the future of India
& Many thanks for you huge efforts & making it so easily understandable...
Hello. Very interesting channel. I am from Bulgaria and if you are interested Bulgaria in the 1960 - 1980s was also producing Microelectronic Integrated Circuits and IBM and Apple 2 computer clones under the name Pravetz. If you think this is interesting may be you can make a video about it. During this period of time Bulgaria was a Socialist country and this production was owned and controlled by the government. Today there are no Semiconductor Foundries in Bulgaria, mainly outsourcing. During that peroid of time the Semiconductor Node was probably 2um and 1 Metal layer of Aluminium.
That's great . From India .
listening to him is like playing a nationwide SimCity game. he talks about stuff like skilled labor who can learn how to use the expensive equipment, hiring good engineers from places that teach good courses like IITB, and more stuff like that. It was actually like I was the third person playing the game, and deciding what kind of decisions to make in order to setup a semiconductor fabrication hub. so cool. subbed brother!
kind of like nationwide Factorio (it's a factory building game)
I thank Asianometry for making this episode. I am a resident of Mohali and know some working in SCL, but never knew what I learnt from this report. Incidentally, the latest news is India & Taiwan are now discussing possibility of "Make in India Next-gen Chips"
According to many indians, india cannot fail and is already a superpower lol :p
😂
It only according to you
@@hbk7837 bro i live in india and most people around me act as if they live in shanghai or tokyo haha
@@Sphinx3 ohh.. Tuchiya hoga😁
@@hbk7837 most people in india nowadays are like that haha kya kar sakte hai, unhe apne country mein kuch problem nazar hi nahi aati and hence woh in problems ko sudharna zaruri nahi samajhte BECAUSE to them there are no problems bro, WE ARE PERFECT, VISHWAGURU or some shit :p
Tata seems like they will soon join the fab business ...
TATA will....
IT'S THE END FOR ENDIA
@@liho1738 i also want to end _ENDIA_
@@liho1738 你没有工作吗，朋友？ 我在学中文，你能帮我做作业吗，看来你有空
@@liho1738 Its the end of your English Language.
Very good video, sad reality for India's semiconductor industry.
IT'S THE END FOR ENDIA
What I expected : *Angry Indian noises*
What I got : “Great video. Why can’t our media report on this”
Be patient... the moment hysteria sets in they go amok... believe me you.
Very true
Those who make noise aren't interested in this kind of info.. 👽
I am an Indian and IMO, this is a good report. There was no bias, blames, doubts on capabilities and racist views. The video gave just facts. India is behind in semiconductor fabs. Indians, generally, don't have problem when people point out our weaknesses for constructive criticism. It is only when people just show them with the intent of shaming Indians, we remind them that no country is perfect and their country has problems too. We give them their own medicine.
Dude I know most of indians are not aware of these high tech things and are simply over nationalistic. But there are humble people in every groups
this has been your most watched video given it keeps popping on my feed every day.Nice to see your channel growing.Also i have been seeing your channel getting posted on one of my subreddits after i recommend your video once.
The indian state has handed over the effort to private firms. In a counter proposal, the private firms have asked the govt for full market access. That means banning imports of chips and LCD panels and forcing the Indian public to buy only Indian made chips and displays. This proposal too was also acknowledged.
IT'S THE END FOR ENDIA
@@liho1738 Bhai aap Alla se dua karo
@@liho1738 The BSE SENSEX crossed 60,000 today.
@@12villages
TiewGouLei
Nothing to gloat about failures. Failure is not end of the story. It's the first step to success
Good summary. For more than 2 decades I have witnessed my own course from design to manufacturing and worked in all the major fabs in the world wearing bunny suits.
The devil is in the details. We should learn to manufacture power electronics discrete low level gates components first and AMP up consistency and yield to give room for a larger scale to bring a manufacturing mind set.
Even MEMS are a good option.
In the past two decades not a single instance of such trend has happened, and I fear we can ever adapt and do new things.
The problem is also related to large scale design houses choosing India as a destination to design. Really here it is the people's intelligence that is tapped on. The moment AI chip designing becomes a well established enterprise, the demand to Indian designers will collapse.
There is a third level of efficient supply chain problem. That is e-waste recycling. Taiwan recovers gold, Silver, Copper and other valuable materials to maintain harmony with nature. If I see the attitudes of social responsibility, we fail miserably for common household trash. Forget chip waste.
Perhaps it is better for the country not to have any of these western ideas. Our infrastructure crumbles each time when large-scale industries step in India.
Stick to simple and efficient ones first, then aim for bigger goals.
Indian smartphone mobile brands also failed. Only some feature and kaios phone maybe hanging on
Thanks for such elaborate video. Recently, there has been speculations that Taiwan's company TSMC would invest $7.5b to build a fabrication plant in India. I hope that pens out well.
Hope for the best!
I have worked with Indians engineers when Ericssons was still manufacturing in Australia. They are very smart individuals. Just like the Chinese, they think outside the squares.
Indians are smart. Chinese are smarter.
@@liho1738 Chinese are more hardworking, I would say
Indians are more smart but Chinese do more hard work.
Loving the semiconductor material. Bravo. More please!
Expected this video to have angry Indians defending their semi conductor industry and was not disappointed.
Naah this is an old video around 20B$ investment have already been done after this video released so they are wrong defend it.
Not surprising their semiconductor industry is a total failure. They talk abd talk big but nothing gets done not even toilets.