Thanks!✌🙌🐰🐇I Love you, your wry sense of humor, and your vidz. Please keep it up. Your vidz help this nurse nurse more effectively through my long 12hr night shifts. Maybe a lil bit Asian? I'm half-Mexican: Alaska, Land-Bridge... enough said?
Ignore the pics. As an Indian I'm ashamed of the propaganda we have been brainwashed with. A single managed to push back china so much that Indian politicians are able to claim that we can catch up to china. Just imagine if mao zedong wasn't born china would've overcome usa to become the new superpower,
Hey, you sound rough here - which I totally get, I ain't far off myself with how life has been lately. No clue what is going on (or even if anything is, maybe you just didn't sleep well), but either way I just wanted to drop some words of encouragement. You should be super proud of this channel of yours. Its some really outstanding material, with nigh-peerless depth and quality of research. You're out here making some of the best, most accessible deep dives into the semiconductor industry out there. Truly, I haven't seen much else like it, and I'm always excited to see a new one. It is material that has been of tremendous value, both to some of my own research and just my general knowledge of things. I recommend your videos to people all the time. So, no matter what is up (if anything) just know you're at the top of the game and I always look forward to seeing whatever comes next!
His channel does good work - Im interested in this sort of thing and its paying respect to reality people / sheep - take for granted without regard - 'precious wounderful caring people' good for consuming I guess. s for woes - read yr bible - NIV version - otherwise yes you have no hope your all doomed.
Really? He made a nonsense piece of BS that is bordering on propaganda. China "built a semiconductor industry" by using tools and machines designed by everybody else... which isn't really building anything.
As a thank you and to cheer you up! 😂 I like the videos and the content although as a simple economics major I barely understand anything semiconductor related. Still, it’s fascinating stuff.
I mean, that’s the reality of being a RUclipsr in the algo era. A lot of RUclipsrs are secretly depressed. Those who aren’t, are either already made it into the hall of fame of social media or got bought out by some equity funds, or doing RUclips as a side job.
Found your channel a couple months ago. Now my favorite channel. I watch your videos whenever i have free time. Love your humor. Love the history. Ive learned so much. There are so many interesting things i can dig into further. Really great stuff!
Dude, you sound depleted. I am writing this comment at around the 45 second mark. The energy in your voice is not the same as your other videos. Take time to rest and don't burn out. Take care of yourself and family first. If you need to take a break, then take the break. Rest and recover.
I came here to say the same! I love the videos, and part of it is the enthusiasm and wry humour injected in them. Keep it up, but if you're not "feeling it", take time to recharge! Happy Patron here, don't feel you have to keep pushing things if it's not right for you. But also maybe we are reading far too much in here :) be well
@@Breakfast_of_Champions sounds like projection to me. If there's anyone who truly has neutral bias its asiaonmetry. Despite Taiwan's dire situation with its empire aspiring neighbor, he always focuses on the technology and the facts, and happily talks about China's successes. I guess you would have known this if you actually watched the video...
I would call it "The Softest Way Ever".The US, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, France, Great Britain, Germany, and Nederlands - learned the true hard way. Chinese learned the hard way about scammers and multi-million frauds in the state-founded semiconductors industry. Billions of dollars in this area is nothing. They invested 12, then 18, then 40. Compared to trillions in the US, Korea, Japan, Taiwan and the EU. Chinese have their own, closed chip industry for maybe 15% of its real costs. No, working harder does not fix semiconductor manufacturing issues. Academic research and science, decades of investments and the evolution of technology do. The ingenuity of research and development. In the West, everyone works very hard. For decades. Eight, not two and a half. Today, Xi wants 9 mothers to give birth to a child in a month. It took so long because you can't reverse-engineer a chip. China made attempts at chip manufacturing years before any "sanctions" started. Quote, because those sanctions do not work. They have hoarded processors of various classes for the last 10 years.
many impressive details. probably, one more important piece of details need to mention is former President Jiang was in charge of IC industry development when he was the Minister of Electronic Ministry in the 80s. He appeared having a strong sense of urgency to make IC a key national priority in one of his early articles published in the late 80s.
But after Jiang became the chairman of PRC, he didn’t continue to develop domestic semiconductor industry. Instead chips were purchased from US and other countries. Domestic semiconductor industry was abandoned.
In the late 1980s, China took the advice of the US on industrial division of labor, abandoned domestic chip production, and chose to directly purchase "cheap" chips from the US. Eventually, the US took advantage of China. I think Huawei is just the beginning.
Chapters (Powered by ChapterMe) - 00:00 - Chinas success in semiconductor industry Chen Shi Sens legacy 00:41 - Huang Kun, founder of Chinas solid state physics community 02:18 - Chinas first fiveyear industrial plan with Soviet assistance 04:00 - Chinas second integrated circuit cluster 04:22 - Chinas military, space, and semiconductor development in the 1960s 06:13 - The Third Front slowed electronics development 06:56 - Mao Zedong Cultural Revolution, Chinas Semiconductor Development 08:33 - Chinese governments tried to acquire foreign equipment worth 13 billion RMB 08:49 - Chinas fab boom in the 1980s 11:04 - Transfer of Toshiba production lines to Huajing 12:19 - Huajing Chinas first national champions in semiconductors 13:59 - Project 908s failure highlights Chinas reliance on government funding 17:06 - Huajings failure to transfer technology to Lucent, Taiwans ETree 20:13 - Huajing Groups success in Chinas semiconductor market 22:11 - Export restrictions were not an issue for Hua Hong 23:26 - Hua Hongs Mergers and Acquisitions 24:57 - China liberalizes semiconductor markets, attracts foreign investment 25:24 - Chinas Circular 18 and SMICs success 26:34 - Chinas decadeslong investment in semiconductors
I see a lot of people saying you sound tired or depressed. It sounded to me more like you were trying to keep it quiet, like you might disturb someone nearby
There are many chaos like Cultural Movement in China during the human history. American Civil War, French Revolution, Civil Democratic movements in many countries. That brought huge financial backwardness for the time being. But upheaval of ethical and moral standard of common public went big high. In India, a few people fought for Independence against British dominance. They were severely tortured, jailed, fatally injured or died by English bullets. Suffered huge monetary loss. The Indian privileged class (more than 99.99%) who simply watched this long-driven struggle from far away, gained maximum benefits and facilities. The two States (Bengal and Punjab, people of which states participated in maximum numbers) , have been planfully bifurcated. Only gain was some world class personalty (R N Tagore, Subhas Bose, Sarat Chandra Chatterjee 【Charles Dickens of India] , Bhagat Singh) came out from this fire.
Chinese MTK has been quietly developing a line of successful MCU chips used in almost every low/mid tier mobile phone and internet routers. They may not be the best or fastest, but they are able to manufacture cheaply on a large scale. Low cost chips are essential for successful mass market products.
Thank you for the very enlightening account on the development of China semiconductor industry. Been looking out to look for someone to come out with this. However, the ending was a bit too abrupt with the conclusion not knowing where China semiconductor will go as it is now cut off from the semiconduct industry of the West. Would be great if you can come out with probable direction taking into account of the various risks, sanctions, China potential talents and capital etc.
China already have a stranglehold on lithium and graphite batteries. Like almost the entire world's supply of batteries you see in laptops, mobile gadgets, power tools, drones, headphones, watches, EVs, etc. etc. are all designed, manufactured and exported from China by Chinese companies.
I'm the author of the source he cites at the end of this video, my 2013 study "Rapid Advance: China in the Global Electronic Age" which he kindly references. My research ended in ~2012 so it does not cover events/trends of last ~12 years. Yes, we all need an update!:). [World... is my son's account; I'm Susan Mays]
The top universities in the UK and USA are full of Chinese students studying electronics and engineering. The cost of research in China is a tenth of that in the USA so China can do a lot more research for the same US$. With the western sanctions against China, this will actually make China more innovative and speed up development and manufacture in the same way as Russia had to with the 2014 Obama sanctions.
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Oh yeah because Russia is such a shining beacon of ...
Shining beacon of independence and resources. What has the EU in the way of resources? The EU is overpopulated, has massive debt and immigrants of the wrong kind.
Very ominous ending to that video and perhaps some insight into why Asianometry sounded so tired and depressed. We are currently seeing the great leap backwards as China is literally doing the opposite of everything that built up their semiconductor industry,
Hi Asianometry, there are new silicon substrate technology going on , it is called Panel Level Packaging to replace Wafer Level Packaging. Cant wait to hear from you
It will be foolish to think that the connection between Chinese semiconductor industry and the western technology providers will sever just because of what the American government does. Like you said, the Chinese and the Russians are extremely good at circumventing regulations. In 1890's when the Chinese exclusion act forbids Chinese immigrant workers to enter the US, every San Francisco woman was calculated to have given birth to 12 babies, because there was a loophole in the law that allows foreign born babies by Chinese American women to be repatriated. As you see are already witnessing how Huawei is still able to catch up with its Kirin series, there is no doubt that the high-end semiconductor researchers, both in the US and Taiwan, will continue to migrate to China to pursue their careers, bringing with them the needed talents and knowhows.
The key takeaway was the induction of Lucent which stunted the growth of native Chinese tech endeavour from mid sixties to late seventies.....huachong inability to absorb advanced foreign tech is understandable..... Their original thesis of working and learning natively for 13 years would've ensured local advancement without foreign help
China was leading in new fabs under construction, with eight out of 19 worldwide in 2021. From 2022, China accounts for five percent of global semiconductor manufacturing. Meanwhile, Russia aims to produce 28nm semiconductors by 2027 and 14nm by 2030. This endeavour faces challenges, as Russia is currently unable to license advanced CPU cores or chip IP, or buy the necessary technologies for advanced processor manufacturing due to Western sanctions. Both China and Russia have established semiconductor interests, raising questions about any potential connection between the two nations. Achieving autonomy in semiconductor production is crucial for both countries to keep up with current and future developments.
Transistor radios for $3 in Hong Kong in 1963! The first transistor radio I ever saw was in Canada at about the same time -- but CDN$59, or roughly 15 to 20 times that price. Quite the gap!
It's a shame the shwerpunkt of transistor manufacturing didn't stay in Canada. We would have had excellent radio communication at affordable pricing with affordable replaceable parts and the right to repair when manufacturing scale picked up but instead we get inflated subscription based telecoms because the East is reliant on coming to the West to learn how to make stuff only to sell it back using unstandardized entrepreneurial maneuvers and proprietary designs. But hey, at least we can watch videos like this to make us all feel better about the eWaste, right?
HELLO this are excellent in-depth videos that I just found and am very impressed ! Well done! I would love you to do a video on China's progress on digital memory. i.e DRAM & NAND. I know CXMT is the leader in DRAM, but there is v little info on how it's faring under export controls, as DRAM needs DUV and EUV lithography also. Can you do a video, or if not pls post links to this message where I can track CXMT's progress. thank you !
I'm the author of the source he cited at the end of this video, my 2013 study "Rapid Advance: China in the Global Electronic Age" which he kindly references.... Re "chaebol", I would describe this more as Chinese officials copying the approach of Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan, each with their sort of 'national champion' enterprises. China too hoped to create at least 1 functioning IDM, and the full value chain around it, to foster a full IC industry. And then ideally China would have a few more IDMs down the road. But 'family owned' was not part of the vision, more just a vision of 'national champions'.
Great conclusion! While the future for China's semiconductor is far from certain, I think the country will do well due to the number of engineers and scientists with the know-how to push the industry forward. At the end of the day, China failed in the past was primarily due to skill and knowledge gaps.
@@brodriguez11000 True, but in this case there is the skill, know how, massive investment, and a massive market due to the sanctions. The US has really teed the ball for China here, if they could have continued to rely on western chips, they may not have been able to pull it off but the US has made this an absolute necessity so they will find a way.
😂 they steal & copy everything & are always cutting corners thanks to rampant corruption … China couldn’t do what Taiwan or Japan or South Korea & now the rest of the western friendly Asian countries have done
What a great series overall. People can throw rocks at China all they want (and they do) but I respect the hell outta them for getting to where they have & not giving up even with the US pressing them on all sides. I'm actually rooting for them.
Excellent video, Asianometry. very informative & historical. Keep up the good work. After reading these comments here, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary in regards to your tone of voice and your speech compared to your other youtube videos. Why are so many people here commenting as if you're depressed or something. Lol. What non-sense. Anyhow, I was searching for taiwanese street snacks from Tainan. But what happens next is that China putting the final nails in the coffin for...., you know who.
Language tidbit: romanization of Chinese for "Kun" as in "Huang Kun" is actually a standard shortened form of "Kuen" so the pronunciation is actually like "koo-un" and not like "cun" as in "cunning". English style pronunciation of Chinese romanization sounds funny in an unexpected way.
Interesting. I assume the "Central Semiconductor Corp" is a collector of "obsolete" technology. It's located in Hauppauge, NY. is not the same as the Chinese one.
China abandoned domestic semiconductor industry after joining WTO and purchased ICs from US. Now that US does not sell chips to China any more, this will give domestic chip industry a lifeline to develop.
China has been doing a lot of research behind screen. Most people outside China underestimated them. China had built a airline passenger jet in the early 70s but they didn't like it after test flying it. It was too expensive to build and quality wasn't good enough. China has the airplane flying, now. It's the same as China semiconductor and space industry.
Very interesting. Aounds like the used western education, were kept in the dark by NEC, slightly seperated from TSMC. Always a step away from going solo. How much is internal equipment, education and production now, without possibly IT espionage as we hear?
First time visitor to your channel! Great content but you can get better robotic voice-over these days than the one you are using currently. I will go over to Patreon and contribute. Thanks!
Chinese are a very intelligent people that's why American are afraid of them. Having a billion plus people That's very innovative and intelligent is really a force to be admired.
To me it looks like a case of 2 extremes not working out. At first there was the extreme of isolationism, both voluntary and involuntary. This didn't work. In the 2000's it was the extreme of globalism, the complete dependency on the outside. This worked to some degree but ultimately could not last.. The dream of the globalist faction in China, got crushed when TSMC imposed discriminating restrictions on high-end manufacturing. Only then did they come back to their senses and understood they can't abandon homegrown development. I think the China of today has a reasonable balance between both extremes.
Politics. TSMC wouldn't give the crown jewels to the PRC, that would be suicide for Taiwan. The same can be said of any country. Edit: Further, without chip designs, there's no TSMC. IMHO it's probably harder to design futuristic semi-conductors in a one-party state environment.
Are you doing alright, you sound rather exhausted. It sounds like you are just trying to keep it down but if you are sick, take care and get well soon. Love your videos as always. Cheers !
Nice video! The 8:28 shows a machine shop with five young ladies and a gentlemen in the back making something on lathes. It looks like several of them are drilling rather large diameter holes in some parts. The lathe in front left is a tabletop model used for making miniature parts, the rest of the machines are quite large. The machine shop can of course be a part of a transistor factory, but it is hard to say how exactly their work is related to making of the transistors. Perhaps they are making some tooling. It would be crazy inefficient to make transistor cases in this way, but who knows, maybe that's what they actually do?
I'm glad I'm not the only one. You sound exhausted and like you couldn't care less about the information and would be anywhere else. End it if you don't like it or get someone else to voice if you don't care for that part. Won't pretend to know why but can say it's noticable.
Dude. I spent a lot of time making this video and your comment offended me. As I'm skilled and talented unlike yourself, i cant imagine why you would need to make this comment.
@@rollercoasterintogiantdomo dude you should check inward on why your reacting this way and attacking. You've been putting out a lot of videos and I'm not the only one pointing out the energy is not there in the video and you sound bored. Going for attacks is so childish. Way to talk to fan, maybe not anymore.
Yeah I'm not sure how long they can stay competitive (at least for leading edge nodes or near leading edge) if US gov keeps blocking various companies in the supply chain from exporting there.
they already lost the age, they depend on the ASML chip making machine that got denied and now they are DECADES behind chip making, china does not have the enginers to copy or make a new ASML lithography machine XD it’s funny that people think china has this much supposed technologic supremacy when they DO NOT they work on making the tech for other corpos not INVENT NEW tech! they are not even LEARNING the most advanced technology especially on the chip market they are DECADES behind LMAO at least Taiwan has TSMC! they know how to make advance chips leaving aside the fact they too need to use the most advance ASML Lithography, but they ARE making chips! they HAVE AMD! what tech company in china makes high end CPUs? NONE! they don’t have not even a HALF of TSMC and AMD chip manufacturing! LET alone ASML level of Lithography! China has had their supposed most advance metro station COLLAPSE! because they couldn’t be arsed to put QUALITY SAND in their cement! the reason so many buildings build 5-10 years ago are collapsing all over china! QUALITY SAND MY GUY! and you think they can make their OWN Lithography Machine? You thing their can make their OWN chips like AMD and Intel and Apple and Samsung? BRO they CAN’T !
Wow, your voice sounds a little different - new mike? Hope yer healthy n happy - cheers. PS: you pronounce soldering interestingly - I think most Americans pronounce it with a silent L. ;*[} But that begs the question - why is it spelled that way? Sol - gel nomenclature?
basically the rest of the world pronounces the L in soldering. It's like aluminum. Most of the world pronounces it different than americans. Both solder and sotter are correct pronunciations.
It basically comes down to throwing money at the problem until it eventually works right? Still interesting. Arguably YMTC *worked* out somehow. Their NAND is _probably_ cutting edge. But the other recent ones are a very mixed bag and a lot of scamming money out of the party.
Thats not how it works with chips im afraid. You do have to throw a lot of money at the problem, but all the money in the world can't make development faster, it still take years to get to the cutting edge, and when you reach that development it isnt cutting edge anymore. China maybe will be able to develop and make low to mid range chips, but the best of the best will always be far away from them. It might not matter that much for consumer products, but for military tech it kinda does.
@@Nexuxs I think you have it backwards. Cutting edge chips matter more for consumer products than military products which uses older and more reliable chips. Russia can sustain its war machine with washing machine chips. The only exception might be AI for military use. Don't underestimate the Chinese. There's no other place in the world where a whole supply chain exists even if its tech is a generation or two behind. That's a huge advantage. Besides, catching up is easier to do than leading.
Even if they were given the plan and trade secrets,they won't still be able to build up date lithography machines.those things are extremely complex and decades of learning curve
I'm the author of the source he cited at the end of this video, my 2013 study "Rapid Advance: China in the Global Electronic Age" which he kindly references. My research ended ~2012, so his video doesn't cover events/trends of last ~12 yrs. We all need a full overview update since ~2013:)! But very grateful that he used my study -- in part -- for this great video:)
Thank you for your video, I didn’t watched a whole video until now, you know much history of our country than I do 😂 how did you know that, even our textbook didn’t mention that at all 😂 Our country is a terrifying country, anyone could be persecute even a top scientist 😅
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Thanks!✌🙌🐰🐇I Love you, your wry sense of humor, and your vidz. Please keep it up. Your vidz help this nurse nurse more effectively through my long 12hr night shifts. Maybe a lil bit Asian? I'm half-Mexican: Alaska, Land-Bridge... enough said?
The photos you manage to unearth are incredible. Amazing research
Ignore the pics. As an Indian I'm ashamed of the propaganda we have been brainwashed with. A single managed to push back china so much that Indian politicians are able to claim that we can catch up to china.
Just imagine if mao zedong wasn't born china would've overcome usa to become the new superpower,
Hey, you sound rough here - which I totally get, I ain't far off myself with how life has been lately. No clue what is going on (or even if anything is, maybe you just didn't sleep well), but either way I just wanted to drop some words of encouragement.
You should be super proud of this channel of yours. Its some really outstanding material, with nigh-peerless depth and quality of research. You're out here making some of the best, most accessible deep dives into the semiconductor industry out there. Truly, I haven't seen much else like it, and I'm always excited to see a new one. It is material that has been of tremendous value, both to some of my own research and just my general knowledge of things. I recommend your videos to people all the time.
So, no matter what is up (if anything) just know you're at the top of the game and I always look forward to seeing whatever comes next!
His channel does good work - Im interested in this sort of thing and its paying respect to reality people / sheep - take for granted without regard - 'precious wounderful caring people' good for consuming I guess. s for woes - read yr bible - NIV version - otherwise yes you have no hope your all doomed.
Yeah, it was the first thing I noticed. But keep on keeping on. Mad respect.
Really? He made a nonsense piece of BS that is bordering on propaganda. China "built a semiconductor industry" by using tools and machines designed by everybody else... which isn't really building anything.
As a thank you and to cheer you up! 😂 I like the videos and the content although as a simple economics major I barely understand anything semiconductor related. Still, it’s fascinating stuff.
Been binge watching asianometry lately and I have to say you're doing great work. Lots of fascinating stuff.
You ok Asianometry, you sound sad. Hope you are good!
Maybe he’s sick
@@agy234I'm extremely concerned
@@N_g_er I'm concerned with your profile image....
@@N_g_er same
Yeah, that's what I thought as well.
yep another "youtube video to watch while eating" banger from asianometry
Hay, I thought I was the only one, sitting here w/ my bacon breakfast sandwich
exactly the same lol
should start a little community around this guys channel. I feel like a lot of us are on the same wavelength with interests and hobbies 🦾
Sitting here with my mac and cheese 😅
Why would you watch a screen while eating
Hey man, I hope you're doing okay. You sound a bit exhausted. Take care!
It's very sad to hear
wtf are u talking about he always sounds exactly the same
I mean, that’s the reality of being a RUclipsr in the algo era. A lot of RUclipsrs are secretly depressed. Those who aren’t, are either already made it into the hall of fame of social media or got bought out by some equity funds, or doing RUclips as a side job.
@@antiimperialistasounds bad
@@antiimperialista jon has NEVER sounded chipper.
Found your channel a couple months ago. Now my favorite channel. I watch your videos whenever i have free time. Love your humor. Love the history. Ive learned so much. There are so many interesting things i can dig into further. Really great stuff!
Dude, you sound depleted. I am writing this comment at around the 45 second mark. The energy in your voice is not the same as your other videos. Take time to rest and don't burn out. Take care of yourself and family first. If you need to take a break, then take the break. Rest and recover.
Nah he's just resentful of China's success.
I came here to say the same! I love the videos, and part of it is the enthusiasm and wry humour injected in them. Keep it up, but if you're not "feeling it", take time to recharge! Happy Patron here, don't feel you have to keep pushing things if it's not right for you.
But also maybe we are reading far too much in here :) be well
@@Breakfast_of_Champions - have you watched the same video as the rest of us?
@@Breakfast_of_Champions what success would that be? Slowing down economy? aging population? alienating other nations?
@@Breakfast_of_Champions sounds like projection to me. If there's anyone who truly has neutral bias its asiaonmetry. Despite Taiwan's dire situation with its empire aspiring neighbor, he always focuses on the technology and the facts, and happily talks about China's successes. I guess you would have known this if you actually watched the video...
Please be OK, Asianometry! We care about you!
I hear he's sick
Thanks!
Why build yourself if you can buy? Well, until you find that sanction prevents you to buy from your usual suppliers. The Chinese learned the hard way.
I would call it "The Softest Way Ever".The US, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, France, Great Britain, Germany, and Nederlands - learned the true hard way. Chinese learned the hard way about scammers and multi-million frauds in the state-founded semiconductors industry. Billions of dollars in this area is nothing. They invested 12, then 18, then 40. Compared to trillions in the US, Korea, Japan, Taiwan and the EU. Chinese have their own, closed chip industry for maybe 15% of its real costs. No, working harder does not fix semiconductor manufacturing issues. Academic research and science, decades of investments and the evolution of technology do. The ingenuity of research and development. In the West, everyone works very hard. For decades. Eight, not two and a half. Today, Xi wants 9 mothers to give birth to a child in a month. It took so long because you can't reverse-engineer a chip. China made attempts at chip manufacturing years before any "sanctions" started. Quote, because those sanctions do not work. They have hoarded processors of various classes for the last 10 years.
many impressive details. probably, one more important piece of details need to mention is former President Jiang was in charge of IC industry development when he was the Minister of Electronic Ministry in the 80s. He appeared having a strong sense of urgency to make IC a key national priority in one of his early articles published in the late 80s.
那篇文章对现在产业规模的预测也很准
But after Jiang became the chairman of PRC, he didn’t continue to develop domestic semiconductor industry. Instead chips were purchased from US and other countries. Domestic semiconductor industry was abandoned.
In the late 1980s, China took the advice of the US on industrial division of labor, abandoned domestic chip production, and chose to directly purchase "cheap" chips from the US. Eventually, the US took advantage of China. I think Huawei is just the beginning.
That was the biggest decision China made. China should have continued with its Indigenous chip research.
Chapters (Powered by ChapterMe) -
00:00 - Chinas success in semiconductor industry Chen Shi Sens legacy
00:41 - Huang Kun, founder of Chinas solid state physics community
02:18 - Chinas first fiveyear industrial plan with Soviet assistance
04:00 - Chinas second integrated circuit cluster
04:22 - Chinas military, space, and semiconductor development in the 1960s
06:13 - The Third Front slowed electronics development
06:56 - Mao Zedong Cultural Revolution, Chinas Semiconductor Development
08:33 - Chinese governments tried to acquire foreign equipment worth 13 billion RMB
08:49 - Chinas fab boom in the 1980s
11:04 - Transfer of Toshiba production lines to Huajing
12:19 - Huajing Chinas first national champions in semiconductors
13:59 - Project 908s failure highlights Chinas reliance on government funding
17:06 - Huajings failure to transfer technology to Lucent, Taiwans ETree
20:13 - Huajing Groups success in Chinas semiconductor market
22:11 - Export restrictions were not an issue for Hua Hong
23:26 - Hua Hongs Mergers and Acquisitions
24:57 - China liberalizes semiconductor markets, attracts foreign investment
25:24 - Chinas Circular 18 and SMICs success
26:34 - Chinas decadeslong investment in semiconductors
Danke!
Hey man. Love you videos. I've been waiting for one on this topic since you did the 7nm Hiawei chip video. I hope you are doing well.
I see a lot of people saying you sound tired or depressed. It sounded to me more like you were trying to keep it quiet, like you might disturb someone nearby
Documenting their success under CCP is painful because he has ideological bias.
I had this thought too, it could be either. I hope they comment on it.
@@seedee3dSounds more like you are biased
@@MrDasfried Both of them and also you and I are biased because everyone is
@@Nosirrbro yup and sometimes recognising things is helpfull and sometimes its a waist of time
what a comprehensive research on chinese semi-conductor industry! Thanks for sharing.🎉
Wow, super great research! So many things I didn't know! Thanks, Asianometry!
There are many chaos like Cultural Movement in China during the human history. American Civil War, French Revolution, Civil Democratic movements in many countries. That brought huge financial backwardness for the time being. But upheaval of ethical and moral standard of common public went big high.
In India, a few people fought for Independence against British dominance. They were severely tortured, jailed, fatally injured or died by English bullets. Suffered huge monetary loss. The Indian privileged class (more than 99.99%) who simply watched this long-driven struggle from far away, gained maximum benefits and facilities. The two States (Bengal and Punjab, people of which states participated in maximum numbers) , have been planfully bifurcated. Only gain was some world class personalty (R N Tagore, Subhas Bose, Sarat Chandra Chatterjee 【Charles Dickens of India] , Bhagat Singh) came out from this fire.
A pretty good history of China's semiconductor industry at a glance...
3:45 Eight transistors! Eight! It's hard for me to wrap my head around this scale.
Chinese MTK has been quietly developing a line of successful MCU chips used in almost every low/mid tier mobile phone and internet routers. They may not be the best or fastest, but they are able to manufacture cheaply on a large scale. Low cost chips are essential for successful mass market products.
Congratulations friends of CHINA !!
I just want to say I very much enjoy your videos. You're doing amazing work
This is amazing channel. Thank you Mr. Doctor!❤
Love your channel, can you please do one over SGI and all the up and coming 3D graphics companies that started in the 70’s and 80’s?
Thank you for the very enlightening account on the development of China semiconductor industry. Been looking out to look for someone to come out with this.
However, the ending was a bit too abrupt with the conclusion not knowing where China semiconductor will go as it is now cut off from the semiconduct industry of the West. Would be great if you can come out with probable direction taking into account of the various risks, sanctions, China potential talents and capital etc.
China already have a stranglehold on lithium and graphite batteries. Like almost the entire world's supply of batteries you see in laptops, mobile gadgets, power tools, drones, headphones, watches, EVs, etc. etc. are all designed, manufactured and exported from China by Chinese companies.
Agree
I'm the author of the source he cites at the end of this video, my 2013 study "Rapid Advance: China in the Global Electronic Age" which he kindly references. My research ended in ~2012 so it does not cover events/trends of last ~12 years. Yes, we all need an update!:). [World... is my son's account; I'm Susan Mays]
The top universities in the UK and USA are full of Chinese students studying electronics and engineering.
The cost of research in China is a tenth of that in the USA so China can do a lot more research for the same US$.
With the western sanctions against China, this will actually make China more innovative and speed up development and manufacture in the same way as Russia had to with the 2014 Obama sanctions.
Oh yeah because Russia is such a shining beacon of ...
Shining beacon of independence and resources. What has the EU in the way of resources? The EU is overpopulated, has massive debt and immigrants of the wrong kind.
@@johntheaccountant5594Underpopulated is the goal? 🤔
How to trigger people by saying "Russia."
@@johntheaccountant5594 That's not for your kind to say.
Very ominous ending to that video and perhaps some insight into why Asianometry sounded so tired and depressed. We are currently seeing the great leap backwards as China is literally doing the opposite of everything that built up their semiconductor industry,
Was waiting for this. Did not disappoint
Amazing video! I didn't know so much about our country's semiconductor history before, even as a Chinese. You really are a great man!
他这个资料搜集能力确实很强
Hi Asianometry, there are new silicon substrate technology going on , it is called Panel Level Packaging to replace Wafer Level Packaging. Cant wait to hear from you
Glass based?
17:45 picture was Bell Labs, Holmdel, New Jersey. In the background is the three-legged water tower， mimicking a giant transistor.
Much love from Pretoria, South Africa @Asianometry. Love your work.
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It will be foolish to think that the connection between Chinese semiconductor industry and the western technology providers will sever just because of what the American government does. Like you said, the Chinese and the Russians are extremely good at circumventing regulations. In 1890's when the Chinese exclusion act forbids Chinese immigrant workers to enter the US, every San Francisco woman was calculated to have given birth to 12 babies, because there was a loophole in the law that allows foreign born babies by Chinese American women to be repatriated. As you see are already witnessing how Huawei is still able to catch up with its Kirin series, there is no doubt that the high-end semiconductor researchers, both in the US and Taiwan, will continue to migrate to China to pursue their careers, bringing with them the needed talents and knowhows.
Learning from you is just plain fun and good. Thank you!
This is a cutting edge RUclips channel
The key takeaway was the induction of Lucent which stunted the growth of native Chinese tech endeavour from mid sixties to late seventies.....huachong inability to absorb advanced foreign tech is understandable..... Their original thesis of working and learning natively for 13 years would've ensured local advancement without foreign help
七十年代末中国战略转向后相当一部分产业放弃了独立自主的发展路线，从六十年代末紧跟国际先进水平的半导体产业逐步落后了
China was leading in new fabs under construction, with eight out of 19 worldwide in 2021. From 2022, China accounts for five percent of global semiconductor manufacturing. Meanwhile, Russia aims to produce 28nm semiconductors by 2027 and 14nm by 2030. This endeavour faces challenges, as Russia is currently unable to license advanced CPU cores or chip IP, or buy the necessary technologies for advanced processor manufacturing due to Western sanctions. Both China and Russia have established semiconductor interests, raising questions about any potential connection between the two nations. Achieving autonomy in semiconductor production is crucial for both countries to keep up with current and future developments.
Transistor radios for $3 in Hong Kong in 1963! The first transistor radio I ever saw was in Canada at about the same time -- but CDN$59, or roughly 15 to 20 times that price. Quite the gap!
It's a shame the shwerpunkt of transistor manufacturing didn't stay in Canada.
We would have had excellent radio communication at affordable pricing with affordable replaceable parts and the right to repair when manufacturing scale picked up but instead we get inflated subscription based telecoms because the East is reliant on coming to the West to learn how to make stuff only to sell it back using unstandardized entrepreneurial maneuvers and proprietary designs.
But hey, at least we can watch videos like this to make us all feel better about the eWaste, right?
@@Itsgone99sir, you are a racist
Toshiba's role is something fascinating. Did you investigate as to why Toshiba was engaged in that?
Lets goo new video always ask myself this question but never got to learn about it great video
Is it just me or do you have less energy? Everything okay?
This is a super insightful documentary!
HELLO this are excellent in-depth videos that I just found and am very impressed ! Well done! I would love you to do a video on China's progress on digital memory. i.e DRAM & NAND. I know CXMT is the leader in DRAM, but there is v little info on how it's faring under export controls, as DRAM needs DUV and EUV lithography also. Can you do a video, or if not pls post links to this message where I can track CXMT's progress. thank you !
13:33 They decided to make rich family owned businesses of their own? Because that's what Chaebol basically means, rich families or family businesses.
I'm the author of the source he cited at the end of this video, my 2013 study "Rapid Advance: China in the Global Electronic Age" which he kindly references....
Re "chaebol", I would describe this more as Chinese officials copying the approach of Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan, each with their sort of 'national champion' enterprises. China too hoped to create at least 1 functioning IDM, and the full value chain around it, to foster a full IC industry. And then ideally China would have a few more IDMs down the road. But 'family owned' was not part of the vision, more just a vision of 'national champions'.
@@World-nz9ts That's some really interesting info. Thanks :)
Great conclusion! While the future for China's semiconductor is far from certain, I think the country will do well due to the number of engineers and scientists with the know-how to push the industry forward. At the end of the day, China failed in the past was primarily due to skill and knowledge gaps.
His videos about failures shows it's about more than just having the smarts to succeed.
@@brodriguez11000 True, but in this case there is the skill, know how, massive investment, and a massive market due to the sanctions. The US has really teed the ball for China here, if they could have continued to rely on western chips, they may not have been able to pull it off but the US has made this an absolute necessity so they will find a way.
😂 they steal & copy everything & are always cutting corners thanks to rampant corruption … China couldn’t do what Taiwan or Japan or South Korea & now the rest of the western friendly Asian countries have done
@@dijikstra8 Still faar from "massive enough". Which sanctions? Those of the last 5 years? That's laughably late 🤣
dude, u sounds like a peeps try to speak about their last minutes essay in front of the class at 4 am
What a great series overall.
People can throw rocks at China all they want (and they do) but I respect the hell outta them for getting to where they have & not giving up even with the US pressing them on all sides.
I'm actually rooting for them.
I'm curious to learn what is your explanation about Toshiba's spectacular failures.
I really hope it's just a change in style, and not because of your health. Take care. Love
No one better than you to bring us a video about Etched's Transformer ASIC! Please!
Fortunately all players are on par with this mature industry.
Excellent video - I had no idea about the 16 year gap. I hope you're doing well.
Excellent video, Asianometry. very informative & historical. Keep up the good work.
After reading these comments here, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary in regards to your tone of voice and your speech compared to your other youtube videos. Why are so many people here commenting as if you're depressed or something. Lol. What non-sense.
Anyhow, I was searching for taiwanese street snacks from Tainan. But what happens next is that China putting the final nails in the coffin for...., you know who.
Hey Asianometry, what about the IGBT shortage 2 years ago and how China built up domestic production?
Language tidbit: romanization of Chinese for "Kun" as in "Huang Kun" is actually a standard shortened form of "Kuen" so the pronunciation is actually like "koo-un" and not like "cun" as in "cunning". English style pronunciation of Chinese romanization sounds funny in an unexpected way.
Interesting. I assume the "Central Semiconductor Corp" is a collector of "obsolete" technology. It's located in Hauppauge, NY. is not the same as the Chinese one.
Is it just me... Or does he sound... Depressed (for want of a better word)
Hope your doing okay.❤
Yea, he sounded really subdued in this video.
@@magnetospinvery sad I'm concerned
wtf are u talking about he always sounds exactly the same
@@antiimperialista Wow, you must be tone death.
He's probably tired but I'm not sure what from, could be sickness, lack of sleep, or overworking himself.
China abandoned domestic semiconductor industry after joining WTO and purchased ICs from US. Now that US does not sell chips to China any more, this will give domestic chip industry a lifeline to develop.
Don't push yourself too hard, sit down and relax, we all need a break.
Can you do a video about quantum dots?
You alright man?
Not good
wtf are u talking about he always sounds exactly the same
@@antiimperialista cancer
@@antiimperialista nah he's definitely talking slower and with less enthusiasm in this video.
@@Xeonerablepeople like you are the worst.
These stories deserve books written about them
China has been doing a lot of research behind screen. Most people outside China underestimated them. China had built a airline passenger jet in the early 70s but they didn't like it after test flying it. It was too expensive to build and quality wasn't good enough. China has the airplane flying, now. It's the same as China semiconductor and space industry.
7:14 Looks like we have a three body problem there.
Another Asianometry video let’s gooo!❤
Very interesting. Aounds like the used western education, were kept in the dark by NEC, slightly seperated from TSMC. Always a step away from going solo. How much is internal equipment, education and production now, without possibly IT espionage as we hear?
Asianometry just takes China’s semiconductor industry very seriously.
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First time visitor to your channel! Great content but you can get better robotic voice-over these days than the one you are using currently. I will go over to Patreon and contribute. Thanks!
His natural voice is better than a robotic voice to me. In this video, he sounds a bit tired
My guess is you spend some time in China. Your pronunciation is excellent.
Chinese are a very intelligent people that's why American are afraid of them. Having a billion plus people That's very innovative and intelligent is really a force to be admired.
Communism destroys the brain, there is a book about the studies of the brains of Chinese people.
name one thing modern china invented
@@shiramaro Chinese speaking toilet
You sound sad and given up. Hope you are ok
He's not ok
@@N_g_er How do you know?
wtf you mean how you know?
@@NobbsAndVagenehe's sick
@@N_g_erhow do you know?
To me it looks like a case of 2 extremes not working out.
At first there was the extreme of isolationism, both voluntary and involuntary. This didn't work.
In the 2000's it was the extreme of globalism, the complete dependency on the outside. This worked to some degree but ultimately could not last..
The dream of the globalist faction in China, got crushed when TSMC imposed discriminating restrictions on high-end manufacturing. Only then did they come back to their senses and understood they can't abandon homegrown development.
I think the China of today has a reasonable balance between both extremes.
Politics.
TSMC wouldn't give the crown jewels to the PRC, that would be suicide for Taiwan.
The same can be said of any country.
Edit:
Further, without chip designs, there's no TSMC.
IMHO it's probably harder to design futuristic semi-conductors in a one-party state environment.
Are you doing alright, you sound rather exhausted. It sounds like you are just trying to keep it down but if you are sick, take care and get well soon. Love your videos as always. Cheers !
Singapore, was the highest rate of uptake in what experimental medical treatment again ? 🤔
Sorries to hear you like this, i truly hope you recover !
Solid video!!!
Nice video!
The 8:28 shows a machine shop with five young ladies and a gentlemen in the back making something on lathes. It looks like several of them are drilling rather large diameter holes in some parts. The lathe in front left is a tabletop model used for making miniature parts, the rest of the machines are quite large. The machine shop can of course be a part of a transistor factory, but it is hard to say how exactly their work is related to making of the transistors. Perhaps they are making some tooling. It would be crazy inefficient to make transistor cases in this way, but who knows, maybe that's what they actually do?
bro you good?
my first thought was that he cloned his voice with AI to help with the voiceover.
What about MIL Spec or radiation hardened chips? Can they make them? Doubt it.
I beg you, please write a big book or more about the subject of history of tech innovation.
I'm glad I'm not the only one. You sound exhausted and like you couldn't care less about the information and would be anywhere else. End it if you don't like it or get someone else to voice if you don't care for that part. Won't pretend to know why but can say it's noticable.
Dude. I spent a lot of time making this video and your comment offended me. As I'm skilled and talented unlike yourself, i cant imagine why you would need to make this comment.
@@rollercoasterintogiantdomo dude you should check inward on why your reacting this way and attacking. You've been putting out a lot of videos and I'm not the only one pointing out the energy is not there in the video and you sound bored. Going for attacks is so childish. Way to talk to fan, maybe not anymore.
Yeah I'm not sure how long they can stay competitive (at least for leading edge nodes or near leading edge) if US gov keeps blocking various companies in the supply chain from exporting there.
they already lost the age, they depend on the ASML chip making machine that got denied and now they are DECADES behind chip making, china does not have the enginers to copy or make a new ASML lithography machine XD
it’s funny that people think china has this much supposed technologic supremacy when they DO NOT they work on making the tech for other corpos not INVENT NEW tech! they are not even LEARNING the most advanced technology especially on the chip market they are DECADES behind LMAO
at least Taiwan has TSMC! they know how to make advance chips leaving aside the fact they too need to use the most advance ASML Lithography, but they ARE making chips! they HAVE AMD! what tech company in china makes high end CPUs? NONE! they don’t have not even a HALF of TSMC and AMD chip manufacturing! LET alone ASML level of Lithography!
China has had their supposed most advance metro station COLLAPSE! because they couldn’t be arsed to put QUALITY SAND in their cement! the reason so many buildings build 5-10 years ago are collapsing all over china!
QUALITY SAND MY GUY! and you think they can make their OWN Lithography Machine? You thing their can make their OWN chips like AMD and Intel and Apple and Samsung? BRO they CAN’T !
@@RavenL1337 raimopndo : no evidence China making advanced chips at scale .
ooops .... China is producing thousands 7nm chips now
@@RavenL1337huawei mate 60 pro and pura . Am I a joke to you 😂
Wow, your voice sounds a little different - new mike? Hope yer healthy n happy - cheers.
PS: you pronounce soldering interestingly - I think most Americans pronounce it with a silent L. ;*[} But that begs the question - why is it spelled that way? Sol - gel nomenclature?
And I think we all wonder what's next with China's SC industry! Them and Taiwan of course....
Because English is a messed-up language.
basically the rest of the world pronounces the L in soldering. It's like aluminum. Most of the world pronounces it different than americans.
Both solder and sotter are correct pronunciations.
It basically comes down to throwing money at the problem until it eventually works right? Still interesting. Arguably YMTC *worked* out somehow. Their NAND is _probably_ cutting edge. But the other recent ones are a very mixed bag and a lot of scamming money out of the party.
Thats not how it works with chips im afraid. You do have to throw a lot of money at the problem, but all the money in the world can't make development faster, it still take years to get to the cutting edge, and when you reach that development it isnt cutting edge anymore. China maybe will be able to develop and make low to mid range chips, but the best of the best will always be far away from them. It might not matter that much for consumer products, but for military tech it kinda does.
@@Nexuxs I think you have it backwards. Cutting edge chips matter more for consumer products than military products which uses older and more reliable chips. Russia can sustain its war machine with washing machine chips. The only exception might be AI for military use. Don't underestimate the Chinese. There's no other place in the world where a whole supply chain exists even if its tech is a generation or two behind. That's a huge advantage. Besides, catching up is easier to do than leading.
Such good content, must be a duty to watch for technophiles.
Hope you’re doing okay, your voice sounds very down in this video.
you know that used audiophile market is flooded with proper devices.
@@cubertmisoGuess you should take upon that offer yourself if you can't hear how low he sounded in the beginning.
stop being a bot for internet upvotes
@@charleyu5506 being a bot sounds like a nice life
Damn, I was hoping this would go into their lithography development in the context of ASML export bans to China.
Even if they were given the plan and trade secrets,they won't still be able to build up date lithography machines.those things are extremely complex and decades of learning curve
I'm the author of the source he cited at the end of this video, my 2013 study "Rapid Advance: China in the Global Electronic Age" which he kindly references. My research ended ~2012, so his video doesn't cover events/trends of last ~12 yrs. We all need a full overview update since ~2013:)! But very grateful that he used my study -- in part -- for this great video:)
@@World-nz9ts Wow, vert cool! What's your professional background?? Chip manufacture, tech/economics journalism, or both?
so basically the only thing that worked was they made tax incentives for foreigner to invest and that fixed everything lol.
Awesome video as always. One small note: it is pronounced "dee-ram" not "dram" (even though it is spelled that way).
19:48, I'm pretty sure that photo was taken in NCTU in Hsinchu
Thanks for this interesting documentary, i would appreciate it if there's a part two, where you talk about the modern progress of China SC
Thank you for your video, I didn’t watched a whole video until now, you know much history of our country than I do 😂 how did you know that, even our textbook didn’t mention that at all 😂
Our country is a terrifying country, anyone could be persecute even a top scientist 😅
Infinite love from the engineering tribe ❤
Great video. (Except stupid comments about "sounding wrong") Clear good audio here.
Ok this was a needed❤
thanks for the great video
A newbie here, if i can find someone to speak to, I love to learn how I can learn deeper about semiconductors...