The top universities in the UK and USA are full of Chinese students studying electronics and engineering. The cost of research in China is a tenth of that in the USA so China can do a lot more research for the same US$. With the western sanctions against China, this will actually make China more innovative and speed up development and manufacture in the same way as Russia had to with the 2014 Obama sanctions.
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Oh yeah because Russia is such a shining beacon of ...
Shining beacon of independence and resources. What has the EU in the way of resources? The EU is overpopulated, has massive debt and immigrants of the wrong kind.
Hi Asianometry, there are new silicon substrate technology going on , it is called Panel Level Packaging to replace Wafer Level Packaging. Cant wait to hear from you
To me it looks like a case of 2 extremes not working out. At first there was the extreme of isolationism, both voluntary and involuntary. This didn't work. In the 2000's it was the extreme of globalism, the complete dependency on the outside. This worked to some degree but ultimately could not last.. The dream of the globalist faction in China, got crushed when TSMC imposed discriminating restrictions on high-end manufacturing. Only then did they come back to their senses and understood they can't abandon homegrown development. I think the China of today has a reasonable balance between both extremes.
Politics. TSMC wouldn't give the crown jewels to the PRC, that would be suicide for Taiwan. The same can be said of any country. Edit: Further, without chip designs, there's no TSMC. IMHO it's probably harder to design futuristic semi-conductors in a one-party state environment.
Nice video! The 8:28 shows a machine shop with five young ladies and a gentlemen in the back making something on lathes. It looks like several of them are drilling rather large diameter holes in some parts. The lathe in front left is a tabletop model used for making miniature parts, the rest of the machines are quite large. The machine shop can of course be a part of a transistor factory, but it is hard to say how exactly their work is related to making of the transistors. Perhaps they are making some tooling. It would be crazy inefficient to make transistor cases in this way, but who knows, maybe that's what they actually do?
First time visitor to your channel! Great content but you can get better robotic voice-over these days than the one you are using currently. I will go over to Patreon and contribute. Thanks!
I'm glad I'm not the only one. You sound exhausted and like you couldn't care less about the information and would be anywhere else. End it if you don't like it or get someone else to voice if you don't care for that part. Won't pretend to know why but can say it's noticable.
Dude. I spent a lot of time making this video and your comment offended me. As I'm skilled and talented unlike yourself, i cant imagine why you would need to make this comment.
@@rollercoasterintogiantdomo dude you should check inward on why your reacting this way and attacking. You've been putting out a lot of videos and I'm not the only one pointing out the energy is not there in the video and you sound bored. Going for attacks is so childish. Way to talk to fan, maybe not anymore.
Chris Lepage here... You ok bro? More rest is a good thing. I am a programmer. I know. All nighters are nothing new to me. Take care of yourself man. :)
"Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England!"
I mean, that’s the reality of being a RUclipsr in the algo era. A lot of RUclipsrs are secretly depressed. Those who aren’t, are either already made it into the hall of fame of social media or got bought out by some equity funds, or doing RUclips as a side job.
Ignore the pics. As an Indian I'm ashamed of the propaganda we have been brainwashed with. A single managed to push back china so much that Indian politicians are able to claim that we can catch up to china. Just imagine if mao zedong wasn't born china would've overcome usa to become the new superpower,
China has been doing a lot of research behind screen. Most people outside China underestimated them. China had built a airline passenger jet in the early 70s but they didn't like it after test flying it. It was too expensive to build and quality wasn't good enough. China has the airplane flying, now. It's the same as China semiconductor and space industry.
Dude, you sound depleted. I am writing this comment at around the 45 second mark. The energy in your voice is not the same as your other videos. Take time to rest and don't burn out. Take care of yourself and family first. If you need to take a break, then take the break. Rest and recover.
I came here to say the same! I love the videos, and part of it is the enthusiasm and wry humour injected in them. Keep it up, but if you're not "feeling it", take time to recharge! Happy Patron here, don't feel you have to keep pushing things if it's not right for you. But also maybe we are reading far too much in here :) be well
@@Breakfast_of_Champions sounds like projection to me. If there's anyone who truly has neutral bias its asiaonmetry. Despite Taiwan's dire situation with its empire aspiring neighbor, he always focuses on the technology and the facts, and happily talks about China's successes. I guess you would have known this if you actually watched the video...
Hey, you sound rough here - which I totally get, I ain't far off myself with how life has been lately. No clue what is going on (or even if anything is, maybe you just didn't sleep well), but either way I just wanted to drop some words of encouragement. You should be super proud of this channel of yours. Its some really outstanding material, with nigh-peerless depth and quality of research. You're out here making some of the best, most accessible deep dives into the semiconductor industry out there. Truly, I haven't seen much else like it, and I'm always excited to see a new one. It is material that has been of tremendous value, both to some of my own research and just my general knowledge of things. I recommend your videos to people all the time. So, no matter what is up (if anything) just know you're at the top of the game and I always look forward to seeing whatever comes next!
His channel does good work - Im interested in this sort of thing and its paying respect to reality people / sheep - take for granted without regard - 'precious wounderful caring people' good for consuming I guess. s for woes - read yr bible - NIV version - otherwise yes you have no hope your all doomed.
Very ominous ending to that video and perhaps some insight into why Asianometry sounded so tired and depressed. We are currently seeing the great leap backwards as China is literally doing the opposite of everything that built up their semiconductor industry,
In the late 1980s, China took the advice of the US on industrial division of labor, abandoned domestic chip production, and chose to directly purchase "cheap" chips from the US. Eventually, the US took advantage of China. I think Huawei is just the beginning.
I see a lot of people saying you sound tired or depressed. It sounded to me more like you were trying to keep it quiet, like you might disturb someone nearby
There are many chaos like Cultural Movement in China during the human history. American Civil War, French Revolution, Civil Democratic movements in many countries. That brought huge financial backwardness for the time being. But upheaval of ethical and moral standard of common public went big high. In India, a few people fought for Independence against British dominance. They were severely tortured, jailed, fatally injured or died by English bullets. Suffered huge monetary loss. The Indian privileged class (more than 99.99%) who simply watched this long-driven struggle from far away, gained maximum benefits and facilities. The two States (Bengal and Punjab, people of which states participated in maximum numbers) , have been planfully bifurcated. Only gain was some world class personalty (R N Tagore, Subhas Bose, Sarat Chandra Chatterjee 【Charles Dickens of India] , Bhagat Singh) came out from this fire.
It will be foolish to think that the connection between Chinese semiconductor industry and the western technology providers will sever just because of what the American government does. Like you said, the Chinese and the Russians are extremely good at circumventing regulations. In 1890's when the Chinese exclusion act forbids Chinese immigrant workers to enter the US, every San Francisco woman was calculated to have given birth to 12 babies, because there was a loophole in the law that allows foreign born babies by Chinese American women to be repatriated. As you see are already witnessing how Huawei is still able to catch up with its Kirin series, there is no doubt that the high-end semiconductor researchers, both in the US and Taiwan, will continue to migrate to China to pursue their careers, bringing with them the needed talents and knowhows.
many impressive details. probably, one more important piece of details need to mention is former President Jiang was in charge of IC industry development when he was the Minister of Electronic Ministry in the 80s. He appeared having a strong sense of urgency to make IC a key national priority in one of his early articles published in the late 80s.
But after Jiang became the chairman of PRC, he didn’t continue to develop domestic semiconductor industry. Instead chips were purchased from US and other countries. Domestic semiconductor industry was abandoned.
Found your channel a couple months ago. Now my favorite channel. I watch your videos whenever i have free time. Love your humor. Love the history. Ive learned so much. There are so many interesting things i can dig into further. Really great stuff!
The key takeaway was the induction of Lucent which stunted the growth of native Chinese tech endeavour from mid sixties to late seventies.....huachong inability to absorb advanced foreign tech is understandable..... Their original thesis of working and learning natively for 13 years would've ensured local advancement without foreign help
Great conclusion! While the future for China's semiconductor is far from certain, I think the country will do well due to the number of engineers and scientists with the know-how to push the industry forward. At the end of the day, China failed in the past was primarily due to skill and knowledge gaps.
@@brodriguez11000 True, but in this case there is the skill, know how, massive investment, and a massive market due to the sanctions. The US has really teed the ball for China here, if they could have continued to rely on western chips, they may not have been able to pull it off but the US has made this an absolute necessity so they will find a way.
😂 they steal & copy everything & are always cutting corners thanks to rampant corruption … China couldn’t do what Taiwan or Japan or South Korea & now the rest of the western friendly Asian countries have done
Thanks!✌🙌🐰🐇I Love you, your wry sense of humor, and your vidz. Please keep it up. Your vidz help this nurse nurse more effectively through my long 12hr night shifts. Maybe a lil bit Asian? I'm half-Mexican: Alaska, Land-Bridge... enough said?
Chinese MTK has been quietly developing a line of successful MCU chips used in almost every low/mid tier mobile phone and internet routers. They may not be the best or fastest, but they are able to manufacture cheaply on a large scale. Low cost chips are essential for successful mass market products.
Thank you for the very enlightening account on the development of China semiconductor industry. Been looking out to look for someone to come out with this. However, the ending was a bit too abrupt with the conclusion not knowing where China semiconductor will go as it is now cut off from the semiconduct industry of the West. Would be great if you can come out with probable direction taking into account of the various risks, sanctions, China potential talents and capital etc.
China already have a stranglehold on lithium and graphite batteries. Like almost the entire world's supply of batteries you see in laptops, mobile gadgets, power tools, drones, headphones, watches, EVs, etc. etc. are all designed, manufactured and exported from China by Chinese companies.
I'm the author of the source he cites at the end of this video, my 2013 study "Rapid Advance: China in the Global Electronic Age" which he kindly references. My research ended in ~2012 so it does not cover events/trends of last ~12 years. Yes, we all need an update!:). [World... is my son's account; I'm Susan Mays]
Very interesting. Aounds like the used western education, were kept in the dark by NEC, slightly seperated from TSMC. Always a step away from going solo. How much is internal equipment, education and production now, without possibly IT espionage as we hear?
China was leading in new fabs under construction, with eight out of 19 worldwide in 2021. From 2022, China accounts for five percent of global semiconductor manufacturing. Meanwhile, Russia aims to produce 28nm semiconductors by 2027 and 14nm by 2030. This endeavour faces challenges, as Russia is currently unable to license advanced CPU cores or chip IP, or buy the necessary technologies for advanced processor manufacturing due to Western sanctions. Both China and Russia have established semiconductor interests, raising questions about any potential connection between the two nations. Achieving autonomy in semiconductor production is crucial for both countries to keep up with current and future developments.
Transistor radios for $3 in Hong Kong in 1963! The first transistor radio I ever saw was in Canada at about the same time -- but CDN$59, or roughly 15 to 20 times that price. Quite the gap!
It's a shame the shwerpunkt of transistor manufacturing didn't stay in Canada. We would have had excellent radio communication at affordable pricing with affordable replaceable parts and the right to repair when manufacturing scale picked up but instead we get inflated subscription based telecoms because the East is reliant on coming to the West to learn how to make stuff only to sell it back using unstandardized entrepreneurial maneuvers and proprietary designs. But hey, at least we can watch videos like this to make us all feel better about the eWaste, right?
What a great series overall. People can throw rocks at China all they want (and they do) but I respect the hell outta them for getting to where they have & not giving up even with the US pressing them on all sides. I'm actually rooting for them.
Chapters (Powered by ChapterMe) - 00:00 - Chinas success in semiconductor industry Chen Shi Sens legacy 00:41 - Huang Kun, founder of Chinas solid state physics community 02:18 - Chinas first fiveyear industrial plan with Soviet assistance 04:00 - Chinas second integrated circuit cluster 04:22 - Chinas military, space, and semiconductor development in the 1960s 06:13 - The Third Front slowed electronics development 06:56 - Mao Zedong Cultural Revolution, Chinas Semiconductor Development 08:33 - Chinese governments tried to acquire foreign equipment worth 13 billion RMB 08:49 - Chinas fab boom in the 1980s 11:04 - Transfer of Toshiba production lines to Huajing 12:19 - Huajing Chinas first national champions in semiconductors 13:59 - Project 908s failure highlights Chinas reliance on government funding 17:06 - Huajings failure to transfer technology to Lucent, Taiwans ETree 20:13 - Huajing Groups success in Chinas semiconductor market 22:11 - Export restrictions were not an issue for Hua Hong 23:26 - Hua Hongs Mergers and Acquisitions 24:57 - China liberalizes semiconductor markets, attracts foreign investment 25:24 - Chinas Circular 18 and SMICs success 26:34 - Chinas decadeslong investment in semiconductors
Thank you for your video, I didn’t watched a whole video until now, you know much history of our country than I do 😂 how did you know that, even our textbook didn’t mention that at all 😂 Our country is a terrifying country, anyone could be persecute even a top scientist 😅
Right! Altho gov leadership on industrial plans can be inefficient, given the capital required to start up semi operations, in China's case in the 80s/90s/00s, the gov had to be involved and take the lead due to the lack of domestic private capital. So while the projects weren't super efficient, at the same time, there wasn't really a private sector path, and ultimately the "failed" projects of 908 and 909 trained thousands of people, brought in loads of tech/mgmt/capital from overseas, etc. So they "failed forward" and provided the groundwork for post 2010. (Btw: I'm the author of the source he cited at the end of this video, my 2013 study "Rapid Advance: China in the Global Electronic Age" which he kindly references. I'm Susan Mays; "World..." is my son's account.]
@@World-nz9ts Not sure China likes VC funding that is not directed at what their political plan is nor a VC cutting funding and the flagship ( but failed) firm closing. Banks in China can be controlled, as the party you just "suggest" board of directors options. And in return, your bank gets somewhat bailed if it fails. China wants the US success but not the US model. The Taiwanese way is closer, state plan, state support and state preference. It has the labour pool on paper yet it's can't crack the result. Creativity is also lacking and risk taking with real risk of public face. Yet the investment needed is massive. Even Samsung just building in Texas is finding the model is not that portable no matter the cash access. Yet Japanese car makers were able to make very good US built Japanese cars alongside Detroits mess. Chips are way harder and tolerances are microns
Interesting. I assume the "Central Semiconductor Corp" is a collector of "obsolete" technology. It's located in Hauppauge, NY. is not the same as the Chinese one.
Language tidbit: romanization of Chinese for "Kun" as in "Huang Kun" is actually a standard shortened form of "Kuen" so the pronunciation is actually like "koo-un" and not like "cun" as in "cunning". English style pronunciation of Chinese romanization sounds funny in an unexpected way.
HELLO this are excellent in-depth videos that I just found and am very impressed ! Well done! I would love you to do a video on China's progress on digital memory. i.e DRAM & NAND. I know CXMT is the leader in DRAM, but there is v little info on how it's faring under export controls, as DRAM needs DUV and EUV lithography also. Can you do a video, or if not pls post links to this message where I can track CXMT's progress. thank you !
China serving the motherland is something some intellectuals want to do. But in India a lot of people just do it because they want to leave the country.
Wow, your voice sounds a little different - new mike? Hope yer healthy n happy - cheers. PS: you pronounce soldering interestingly - I think most Americans pronounce it with a silent L. ;*[} But that begs the question - why is it spelled that way? Sol - gel nomenclature?
basically the rest of the world pronounces the L in soldering. It's like aluminum. Most of the world pronounces it different than americans. Both solder and sotter are correct pronunciations.
As a thank you and to cheer you up! 😂 I like the videos and the content although as a simple economics major I barely understand anything semiconductor related. Still, it’s fascinating stuff.
China abandoned domestic semiconductor industry after joining WTO and purchased ICs from US. Now that US does not sell chips to China any more, this will give domestic chip industry a lifeline to develop.
Let's say NEC actually transferred their knowledges, how it could be interpreted by Japanese government and the US government? I'm very curious about your interpretation.
China's semiconductor progress has heavily relied on global ties and knowledge absorption. The future remains uncertain as geopolitical dynamics evolve.
China says they created gunpowder and the Great Wall, but as time goes on it's obvious that they just stole all that as well. I don't think China has actually created anything - just copying what other nations create and is nothing more than the world's cheap labor factory. I completely understand why it's so insulting to Koreans and Japanese to be called Chinese.
Chinese are a very intelligent people that's why American are afraid of them. Having a billion plus people That's very innovative and intelligent is really a force to be admired.
It basically comes down to throwing money at the problem until it eventually works right? Still interesting. Arguably YMTC *worked* out somehow. Their NAND is _probably_ cutting edge. But the other recent ones are a very mixed bag and a lot of scamming money out of the party.
Thats not how it works with chips im afraid. You do have to throw a lot of money at the problem, but all the money in the world can't make development faster, it still take years to get to the cutting edge, and when you reach that development it isnt cutting edge anymore. China maybe will be able to develop and make low to mid range chips, but the best of the best will always be far away from them. It might not matter that much for consumer products, but for military tech it kinda does.
@@Nexuxs I think you have it backwards. Cutting edge chips matter more for consumer products than military products which uses older and more reliable chips. Russia can sustain its war machine with washing machine chips. The only exception might be AI for military use. Don't underestimate the Chinese. There's no other place in the world where a whole supply chain exists even if its tech is a generation or two behind. That's a huge advantage. Besides, catching up is easier to do than leading.
You ok Asianometry, you sound sad. Hope you are good!
Maybe he’s sick
@@agy234I'm extremely concerned
@@IamNiggler I'm concerned with your profile image....
@@IamNiggler same
Yeah, that's what I thought as well.
The top universities in the UK and USA are full of Chinese students studying electronics and engineering.
The cost of research in China is a tenth of that in the USA so China can do a lot more research for the same US$.
With the western sanctions against China, this will actually make China more innovative and speed up development and manufacture in the same way as Russia had to with the 2014 Obama sanctions.
Oh yeah because Russia is such a shining beacon of ...
Shining beacon of independence and resources. What has the EU in the way of resources? The EU is overpopulated, has massive debt and immigrants of the wrong kind.
@@johntheaccountant5594Underpopulated is the goal? 🤔
How to trigger people by saying "Russia."
@@johntheaccountant5594 That's not for your kind to say.
A pretty good history of China's semiconductor industry at a glance...
Hi Asianometry, there are new silicon substrate technology going on , it is called Panel Level Packaging to replace Wafer Level Packaging. Cant wait to hear from you
I really hope it's just a change in style, and not because of your health. Take care. Love
Another Asianometry video let’s gooo!❤
To me it looks like a case of 2 extremes not working out.
At first there was the extreme of isolationism, both voluntary and involuntary. This didn't work.
In the 2000's it was the extreme of globalism, the complete dependency on the outside. This worked to some degree but ultimately could not last..
The dream of the globalist faction in China, got crushed when TSMC imposed discriminating restrictions on high-end manufacturing. Only then did they come back to their senses and understood they can't abandon homegrown development.
I think the China of today has a reasonable balance between both extremes.
Politics.
TSMC wouldn't give the crown jewels to the PRC, that would be suicide for Taiwan.
The same can be said of any country.
Edit:
Further, without chip designs, there's no TSMC.
IMHO it's probably harder to design futuristic semi-conductors in a one-party state environment.
Nice video!
The 8:28 shows a machine shop with five young ladies and a gentlemen in the back making something on lathes. It looks like several of them are drilling rather large diameter holes in some parts. The lathe in front left is a tabletop model used for making miniature parts, the rest of the machines are quite large. The machine shop can of course be a part of a transistor factory, but it is hard to say how exactly their work is related to making of the transistors. Perhaps they are making some tooling. It would be crazy inefficient to make transistor cases in this way, but who knows, maybe that's what they actually do?
First time visitor to your channel! Great content but you can get better robotic voice-over these days than the one you are using currently. I will go over to Patreon and contribute. Thanks!
His natural voice is better than a robotic voice to me. In this video, he sounds a bit tired
And if it wasn’t for Reagan-nomics, the US would have still been the leader in manufacturing and jobs. Trickle down economics always fails.
I'm glad I'm not the only one. You sound exhausted and like you couldn't care less about the information and would be anywhere else. End it if you don't like it or get someone else to voice if you don't care for that part. Won't pretend to know why but can say it's noticable.
Dude. I spent a lot of time making this video and your comment offended me. As I'm skilled and talented unlike yourself, i cant imagine why you would need to make this comment.
@@rollercoasterintogiantdomo dude you should check inward on why your reacting this way and attacking. You've been putting out a lot of videos and I'm not the only one pointing out the energy is not there in the video and you sound bored. Going for attacks is so childish. Way to talk to fan, maybe not anymore.
I like this tone, what's wrong with you guys!
Chris Lepage here... You ok bro? More rest is a good thing. I am a programmer. I know. All nighters are nothing new to me. Take care of yourself man. :)
Western never appreciate Chinese approach but when they make semiconductor chips by new technology and they will shocked as like EV cars.
how exactly will you "see" us "guys" *next time*? were you able to *see* us this time? how?
China vs Taiwan...
黄昆，谢希德老师，令人敬佩的前辈
China did not fail in semiconductors, it just did not win gold medals in semiconductors, as it does in many sports competitions.
That's a different kind of doping.
😅😅😂😂😂
Is Europe decadent?
@@MarcioSilva-ssiillvvaa Europe is Civilisation.
@@seanoneill9130 Decadent.
🧞 What is good
About China 🇨🇳,
That's magnificent Chinese people they were borne
With Nobel prize
@ birth.
💚🐉🇨🇳🐉💚🇨🇳
"Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England!"
Hey man, I hope you're doing okay. You sound a bit exhausted. Take care!
It's very sad to hear
wtf are u talking about he always sounds exactly the same
I mean, that’s the reality of being a RUclipsr in the algo era. A lot of RUclipsrs are secretly depressed. Those who aren’t, are either already made it into the hall of fame of social media or got bought out by some equity funds, or doing RUclips as a side job.
@@antiimperialistasounds bad
@@antiimperialista jon has NEVER sounded chipper.
yep another "youtube video to watch while eating" banger from asianometry
Hay, I thought I was the only one, sitting here w/ my bacon breakfast sandwich
exactly the same lol
should start a little community around this guys channel. I feel like a lot of us are on the same wavelength with interests and hobbies 🦾
Sitting here with my mac and cheese 😅
Why would you watch a screen while eating
The photos you manage to unearth are incredible. Amazing research
Ignore the pics. As an Indian I'm ashamed of the propaganda we have been brainwashed with. A single managed to push back china so much that Indian politicians are able to claim that we can catch up to china.
Just imagine if mao zedong wasn't born china would've overcome usa to become the new superpower,
China has been doing a lot of research behind screen. Most people outside China underestimated them. China had built a airline passenger jet in the early 70s but they didn't like it after test flying it. It was too expensive to build and quality wasn't good enough. China has the airplane flying, now. It's the same as China semiconductor and space industry.
Please be OK, Asianometry! We care about you!
I hear he's sick
Dude, you sound depleted. I am writing this comment at around the 45 second mark. The energy in your voice is not the same as your other videos. Take time to rest and don't burn out. Take care of yourself and family first. If you need to take a break, then take the break. Rest and recover.
Nah he's just resentful of China's success.
I came here to say the same! I love the videos, and part of it is the enthusiasm and wry humour injected in them. Keep it up, but if you're not "feeling it", take time to recharge! Happy Patron here, don't feel you have to keep pushing things if it's not right for you.
But also maybe we are reading far too much in here :) be well
@@Breakfast_of_Champions - have you watched the same video as the rest of us?
@@Breakfast_of_Champions what success would that be? Slowing down economy? aging population? alienating other nations?
@@Breakfast_of_Champions sounds like projection to me. If there's anyone who truly has neutral bias its asiaonmetry. Despite Taiwan's dire situation with its empire aspiring neighbor, he always focuses on the technology and the facts, and happily talks about China's successes. I guess you would have known this if you actually watched the video...
Hey, you sound rough here - which I totally get, I ain't far off myself with how life has been lately. No clue what is going on (or even if anything is, maybe you just didn't sleep well), but either way I just wanted to drop some words of encouragement.
You should be super proud of this channel of yours. Its some really outstanding material, with nigh-peerless depth and quality of research. You're out here making some of the best, most accessible deep dives into the semiconductor industry out there. Truly, I haven't seen much else like it, and I'm always excited to see a new one. It is material that has been of tremendous value, both to some of my own research and just my general knowledge of things. I recommend your videos to people all the time.
So, no matter what is up (if anything) just know you're at the top of the game and I always look forward to seeing whatever comes next!
His channel does good work - Im interested in this sort of thing and its paying respect to reality people / sheep - take for granted without regard - 'precious wounderful caring people' good for consuming I guess. s for woes - read yr bible - NIV version - otherwise yes you have no hope your all doomed.
Very ominous ending to that video and perhaps some insight into why Asianometry sounded so tired and depressed. We are currently seeing the great leap backwards as China is literally doing the opposite of everything that built up their semiconductor industry,
In the late 1980s, China took the advice of the US on industrial division of labor, abandoned domestic chip production, and chose to directly purchase "cheap" chips from the US. Eventually, the US took advantage of China. I think Huawei is just the beginning.
They might make chips, but surely not cheaper and efficient, so they can never compete in commercial market
Is it just me or do you have less energy? Everything okay?
I see a lot of people saying you sound tired or depressed. It sounded to me more like you were trying to keep it quiet, like you might disturb someone nearby
Documenting their success under CCP is painful because he has ideological bias.
I had this thought too, it could be either. I hope they comment on it.
@@seedee3dSounds more like you are biased
@@MrDasfried Both of them and also you and I are biased because everyone is
@@Nosirrbro yup and sometimes recognising things is helpfull and sometimes its a waist of time
There are many chaos like Cultural Movement in China during the human history. American Civil War, French Revolution, Civil Democratic movements in many countries. That brought huge financial backwardness for the time being. But upheaval of ethical and moral standard of common public went big high.
In India, a few people fought for Independence against British dominance. They were severely tortured, jailed, fatally injured or died by English bullets. Suffered huge monetary loss. The Indian privileged class (more than 99.99%) who simply watched this long-driven struggle from far away, gained maximum benefits and facilities. The two States (Bengal and Punjab, people of which states participated in maximum numbers) , have been planfully bifurcated. Only gain was some world class personalty (R N Tagore, Subhas Bose, Sarat Chandra Chatterjee 【Charles Dickens of India] , Bhagat Singh) came out from this fire.
It will be foolish to think that the connection between Chinese semiconductor industry and the western technology providers will sever just because of what the American government does. Like you said, the Chinese and the Russians are extremely good at circumventing regulations. In 1890's when the Chinese exclusion act forbids Chinese immigrant workers to enter the US, every San Francisco woman was calculated to have given birth to 12 babies, because there was a loophole in the law that allows foreign born babies by Chinese American women to be repatriated. As you see are already witnessing how Huawei is still able to catch up with its Kirin series, there is no doubt that the high-end semiconductor researchers, both in the US and Taiwan, will continue to migrate to China to pursue their careers, bringing with them the needed talents and knowhows.
Is it just me... Or does he sound... Depressed (for want of a better word)
Hope your doing okay.❤
Yea, he sounded really subdued in this video.
@@magnetospinvery sad I'm concerned
wtf are u talking about he always sounds exactly the same
@@antiimperialista Wow, you must be tone death.
He's probably tired but I'm not sure what from, could be sickness, lack of sleep, or overworking himself.
many impressive details. probably, one more important piece of details need to mention is former President Jiang was in charge of IC industry development when he was the Minister of Electronic Ministry in the 80s. He appeared having a strong sense of urgency to make IC a key national priority in one of his early articles published in the late 80s.
那篇文章对现在产业规模的预测也很准
But after Jiang became the chairman of PRC, he didn’t continue to develop domestic semiconductor industry. Instead chips were purchased from US and other countries. Domestic semiconductor industry was abandoned.
Why build yourself if you can buy? Well, until you find that sanction prevents you to buy from your usual suppliers. The Chinese learned the hard way.
Found your channel a couple months ago. Now my favorite channel. I watch your videos whenever i have free time. Love your humor. Love the history. Ive learned so much. There are so many interesting things i can dig into further. Really great stuff!
what a comprehensive research on chinese semi-conductor industry! Thanks for sharing.🎉
Hey man. Love you videos. I've been waiting for one on this topic since you did the 7nm Hiawei chip video. I hope you are doing well.
You alright man?
Not good
wtf are u talking about he always sounds exactly the same
@@antiimperialista cancer
@@antiimperialista nah he's definitely talking slower and with less enthusiasm in this video.
@@Xeonerablepeople like you are the worst.
The key takeaway was the induction of Lucent which stunted the growth of native Chinese tech endeavour from mid sixties to late seventies.....huachong inability to absorb advanced foreign tech is understandable..... Their original thesis of working and learning natively for 13 years would've ensured local advancement without foreign help
七十年代末中国战略转向后相当一部分产业放弃了独立自主的发展路线，从六十年代末紧跟国际先进水平的半导体产业逐步落后了
Been binge watching asianometry lately and I have to say you're doing great work. Lots of fascinating stuff.
Hey Asianometry, what about the IGBT shortage 2 years ago and how China built up domestic production?
Great conclusion! While the future for China's semiconductor is far from certain, I think the country will do well due to the number of engineers and scientists with the know-how to push the industry forward. At the end of the day, China failed in the past was primarily due to skill and knowledge gaps.
His videos about failures shows it's about more than just having the smarts to succeed.
@@brodriguez11000 True, but in this case there is the skill, know how, massive investment, and a massive market due to the sanctions. The US has really teed the ball for China here, if they could have continued to rely on western chips, they may not have been able to pull it off but the US has made this an absolute necessity so they will find a way.
😂 they steal & copy everything & are always cutting corners thanks to rampant corruption … China couldn’t do what Taiwan or Japan or South Korea & now the rest of the western friendly Asian countries have done
You sound sad and given up. Hope you are ok
He's not ok
@@IamNiggler How do you know?
wtf you mean how you know?
@@NobbsAndVagenehe's sick
@@IamNigglerhow do you know?
Thanks!✌🙌🐰🐇I Love you, your wry sense of humor, and your vidz. Please keep it up. Your vidz help this nurse nurse more effectively through my long 12hr night shifts. Maybe a lil bit Asian? I'm half-Mexican: Alaska, Land-Bridge... enough said?
3:45 Eight transistors! Eight! It's hard for me to wrap my head around this scale.
Chinese MTK has been quietly developing a line of successful MCU chips used in almost every low/mid tier mobile phone and internet routers. They may not be the best or fastest, but they are able to manufacture cheaply on a large scale. Low cost chips are essential for successful mass market products.
Congratulations friends of CHINA !!
Thank you for the very enlightening account on the development of China semiconductor industry. Been looking out to look for someone to come out with this.
However, the ending was a bit too abrupt with the conclusion not knowing where China semiconductor will go as it is now cut off from the semiconduct industry of the West. Would be great if you can come out with probable direction taking into account of the various risks, sanctions, China potential talents and capital etc.
China already have a stranglehold on lithium and graphite batteries. Like almost the entire world's supply of batteries you see in laptops, mobile gadgets, power tools, drones, headphones, watches, EVs, etc. etc. are all designed, manufactured and exported from China by Chinese companies.
Agree
I'm the author of the source he cites at the end of this video, my 2013 study "Rapid Advance: China in the Global Electronic Age" which he kindly references. My research ended in ~2012 so it does not cover events/trends of last ~12 years. Yes, we all need an update!:). [World... is my son's account; I'm Susan Mays]
Very interesting. Aounds like the used western education, were kept in the dark by NEC, slightly seperated from TSMC. Always a step away from going solo. How much is internal equipment, education and production now, without possibly IT espionage as we hear?
Amazing video! I didn't know so much about our country's semiconductor history before, even as a Chinese. You really are a great man!
他这个资料搜集能力确实很强
I just want to say I very much enjoy your videos. You're doing amazing work
Hope you’re doing okay, your voice sounds very down in this video.
you know that used audiophile market is flooded with proper devices.
@@cubertmisoGuess you should take upon that offer yourself if you can't hear how low he sounded in the beginning.
stop being a bot for internet upvotes
@@charleyu5506 being a bot sounds like a nice life
stealing IP, although personally i dont really think a lot of these things should be patents, a lot of fundamental physics stuff
stealing? can you steal the hypersonic weapon tech for me?
How can u steal something that doesn't exist
sounds like chinese also using 1cm 1kg is also steal then...only certain IP and invent can be copyright,basic pysics is not ever copy...
Asianometry just takes China’s semiconductor industry very seriously.
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China was leading in new fabs under construction, with eight out of 19 worldwide in 2021. From 2022, China accounts for five percent of global semiconductor manufacturing. Meanwhile, Russia aims to produce 28nm semiconductors by 2027 and 14nm by 2030. This endeavour faces challenges, as Russia is currently unable to license advanced CPU cores or chip IP, or buy the necessary technologies for advanced processor manufacturing due to Western sanctions. Both China and Russia have established semiconductor interests, raising questions about any potential connection between the two nations. Achieving autonomy in semiconductor production is crucial for both countries to keep up with current and future developments.
Transistor radios for $3 in Hong Kong in 1963! The first transistor radio I ever saw was in Canada at about the same time -- but CDN$59, or roughly 15 to 20 times that price. Quite the gap!
It's a shame the shwerpunkt of transistor manufacturing didn't stay in Canada.
We would have had excellent radio communication at affordable pricing with affordable replaceable parts and the right to repair when manufacturing scale picked up but instead we get inflated subscription based telecoms because the East is reliant on coming to the West to learn how to make stuff only to sell it back using unstandardized entrepreneurial maneuvers and proprietary designs.
But hey, at least we can watch videos like this to make us all feel better about the eWaste, right?
@@Itsgone99sir, you are a racist
What a great series overall.
People can throw rocks at China all they want (and they do) but I respect the hell outta them for getting to where they have & not giving up even with the US pressing them on all sides.
I'm actually rooting for them.
I'm curious to learn what is your explanation about Toshiba's spectacular failures.
Chapters (Powered by ChapterMe) -
00:00 - Chinas success in semiconductor industry Chen Shi Sens legacy
00:41 - Huang Kun, founder of Chinas solid state physics community
02:18 - Chinas first fiveyear industrial plan with Soviet assistance
04:00 - Chinas second integrated circuit cluster
04:22 - Chinas military, space, and semiconductor development in the 1960s
06:13 - The Third Front slowed electronics development
06:56 - Mao Zedong Cultural Revolution, Chinas Semiconductor Development
08:33 - Chinese governments tried to acquire foreign equipment worth 13 billion RMB
08:49 - Chinas fab boom in the 1980s
11:04 - Transfer of Toshiba production lines to Huajing
12:19 - Huajing Chinas first national champions in semiconductors
13:59 - Project 908s failure highlights Chinas reliance on government funding
17:06 - Huajings failure to transfer technology to Lucent, Taiwans ETree
20:13 - Huajing Groups success in Chinas semiconductor market
22:11 - Export restrictions were not an issue for Hua Hong
23:26 - Hua Hongs Mergers and Acquisitions
24:57 - China liberalizes semiconductor markets, attracts foreign investment
25:24 - Chinas Circular 18 and SMICs success
26:34 - Chinas decadeslong investment in semiconductors
Thank you for your video, I didn’t watched a whole video until now, you know much history of our country than I do 😂 how did you know that, even our textbook didn’t mention that at all 😂
Our country is a terrifying country, anyone could be persecute even a top scientist 😅
It's impressive that the gov plans were often far sighted even if deployment was the harder nut
Right! Altho gov leadership on industrial plans can be inefficient, given the capital required to start up semi operations, in China's case in the 80s/90s/00s, the gov had to be involved and take the lead due to the lack of domestic private capital. So while the projects weren't super efficient, at the same time, there wasn't really a private sector path, and ultimately the "failed" projects of 908 and 909 trained thousands of people, brought in loads of tech/mgmt/capital from overseas, etc. So they "failed forward" and provided the groundwork for post 2010. (Btw: I'm the author of the source he cited at the end of this video, my 2013 study "Rapid Advance: China in the Global Electronic Age" which he kindly references. I'm Susan Mays; "World..." is my son's account.]
@@World-nz9ts Not sure China likes VC funding that is not directed at what their political plan is nor a VC cutting funding and the flagship ( but failed) firm closing. Banks in China can be controlled, as the party you just "suggest" board of directors options. And in return, your bank gets somewhat bailed if it fails. China wants the US success but not the US model. The Taiwanese way is closer, state plan, state support and state preference. It has the labour pool on paper yet it's can't crack the result. Creativity is also lacking and risk taking with real risk of public face. Yet the investment needed is massive. Even Samsung just building in Texas is finding the model is not that portable no matter the cash access. Yet Japanese car makers were able to make very good US built Japanese cars alongside Detroits mess. Chips are way harder and tolerances are microns
so basically the only thing that worked was they made tax incentives for foreigner to invest and that fixed everything lol.
bro you good?
Interesting. I assume the "Central Semiconductor Corp" is a collector of "obsolete" technology. It's located in Hauppauge, NY. is not the same as the Chinese one.
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Language tidbit: romanization of Chinese for "Kun" as in "Huang Kun" is actually a standard shortened form of "Kuen" so the pronunciation is actually like "koo-un" and not like "cun" as in "cunning". English style pronunciation of Chinese romanization sounds funny in an unexpected way.
guys what are the future jobs that are going to boom?
China's successes continue to upset many people!😂😂
China is not good neighbor
HELLO this are excellent in-depth videos that I just found and am very impressed ! Well done! I would love you to do a video on China's progress on digital memory. i.e DRAM & NAND. I know CXMT is the leader in DRAM, but there is v little info on how it's faring under export controls, as DRAM needs DUV and EUV lithography also. Can you do a video, or if not pls post links to this message where I can track CXMT's progress. thank you !
This is amazing channel. Thank you Mr. Doctor!❤
Don't worry. They will dominate.
if they are doing highways/rails with 2% of the money vs their superpower competitors, it says something. but no way to invest and stay afloat.
@@cubertmisohuh why don’t you just make stuff up
17:45 picture was Bell Labs, Holmdel, New Jersey. In the background is the three-legged water tower， mimicking a giant transistor.
dude, u sounds like a peeps try to speak about their last minutes essay in front of the class at 4 am
This comment section is wild
Excellent video - I had no idea about the 16 year gap. I hope you're doing well.
Fortunately all players are on par with this mature industry.
China serving the motherland is something some intellectuals want to do. But in India a lot of people just do it because they want to leave the country.
My guess is you spend some time in China. Your pronunciation is excellent.
Wow, your voice sounds a little different - new mike? Hope yer healthy n happy - cheers.
PS: you pronounce soldering interestingly - I think most Americans pronounce it with a silent L. ;*[} But that begs the question - why is it spelled that way? Sol - gel nomenclature?
And I think we all wonder what's next with China's SC industry! Them and Taiwan of course....
Because English is a messed-up language.
basically the rest of the world pronounces the L in soldering. It's like aluminum. Most of the world pronounces it different than americans.
Both solder and sotter are correct pronunciations.
SMIC will overtake TSMC within next 5 years or so.
Learning from you is just plain fun and good. Thank you!
Standing on the shoulders of giants
Can you do a video about quantum dots?
Wow, super great research! So many things I didn't know! Thanks, Asianometry!
As a thank you and to cheer you up! 😂 I like the videos and the content although as a simple economics major I barely understand anything semiconductor related. Still, it’s fascinating stuff.
China abandoned domestic semiconductor industry after joining WTO and purchased ICs from US. Now that US does not sell chips to China any more, this will give domestic chip industry a lifeline to develop.
Let's say NEC actually transferred their knowledges, how it could be interpreted by Japanese government and the US government? I'm very curious about your interpretation.
No one better than you to bring us a video about Etched's Transformer ASIC! Please!
He sounds normal what you guys talking
my first thought was that he cloned his voice with AI to help with the voiceover.
While European countries sold it to brother sam
China's semiconductor progress has heavily relied on global ties and knowledge absorption. The future remains uncertain as geopolitical dynamics evolve.
China says they created gunpowder and the Great Wall, but as time goes on it's obvious that they just stole all that as well. I don't think China has actually created anything - just copying what other nations create and is nothing more than the world's cheap labor factory. I completely understand why it's so insulting to Koreans and Japanese to be called Chinese.
@@section7173 China has a 'stunning lead' over the US in the research of 37 out of 44 critical and emerging technologies
@@section7173fake news
Chinese are a very intelligent people that's why American are afraid of them. Having a billion plus people That's very innovative and intelligent is really a force to be admired.
Communism destroys the brain, there is a book about the studies of the brains of Chinese people.
name one thing modern china invented
@@shiramaro Chinese speaking toilet
cheer up bro
What about MIL Spec or radiation hardened chips? Can they make them? Doubt it.
Much love from Pretoria, South Africa @Asianometry. Love your work.
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Toshiba's role is something fascinating. Did you investigate as to why Toshiba was engaged in that?
2nd largest foundry.. First place loser in my book. 💀💀
It basically comes down to throwing money at the problem until it eventually works right? Still interesting. Arguably YMTC *worked* out somehow. Their NAND is _probably_ cutting edge. But the other recent ones are a very mixed bag and a lot of scamming money out of the party.
Thats not how it works with chips im afraid. You do have to throw a lot of money at the problem, but all the money in the world can't make development faster, it still take years to get to the cutting edge, and when you reach that development it isnt cutting edge anymore. China maybe will be able to develop and make low to mid range chips, but the best of the best will always be far away from them. It might not matter that much for consumer products, but for military tech it kinda does.
@@Nexuxs I think you have it backwards. Cutting edge chips matter more for consumer products than military products which uses older and more reliable chips. Russia can sustain its war machine with washing machine chips. The only exception might be AI for military use. Don't underestimate the Chinese. There's no other place in the world where a whole supply chain exists even if its tech is a generation or two behind. That's a huge advantage. Besides, catching up is easier to do than leading.
Industrial espionage. That's how.