A SMG that recks only up close seems fine to me. If it really is that bad I'd say just to what they did with the AUG but in reverse and slow down the fire rate by 50-100 at most. Makes the weapon still good but even more emphasis on being accurate and punishing a few missed shots.
Slower fire rate is not a good move. It's why I hated the Aug till the buff. Even when I was clearly shooting someone the guns slow rate caused me many deaths even against long range fights. People would just run behind corners too after one bullet. It's why used the AK15 or M4 mostly for my AR needs.
@@kingcaesar3693 Tbf, Aug does 31 damage compared to the UMP's 35, which is a massive difference. Aug 4-shots naked and light armor and 5 shots medium armor at 31 damage, while the UMP 3-shots naked targets and 4-shots light and medium armor at 35 damage. If we nerfed the UMP's firerate below 600, that's still a much faster TTK than the Aug even after its buff from 500 firerate to 600 firerate, as the UMP does a lot more damage. UMP having a slow firerate won't feel the same as pre-buff AUG did, as UMP will usually require one less shot to kill in almost all circumstances, which will prevent the UMP from feeling rather shit like the pre-buff Aug did.
I feel something that you failed to mention was the insane mobility of this weapon, 1.1 may not seem like much but with light armor you run as fast as an f1 car or something, great video nonetheless
Game balance, it’s a slow shooting smg that performs well close-range. Compared to the faster shooting rifles and m249, even though they have lower damage, they shoot faster and perform better at medium range. The UMP wouldn’t be viable if it had low damage on top of low fire-rate.
@@PL-zh7cv only valid response there is the Mp7. M4 is not meta and the AK15 is unwieldily for new players, even though I personally like using it myself
I actually really like where the UMP is. I think it might need a very slight nerf to fire rate and velocity, but otherwise I actually think I'd want it to be the standard that other weapons are balanced around. Rewards those who play to it's strengths, punishes you hard when you misuse it. Personally, I really love running it with a suppressor, helps me stay unseen on the flank for just a little bit longer, and it's a great flavor pick.
I too enjoy running suppressors on my guns unless I'm equipping some of the game's cannons (AK15, SCAR, FAL, G3, etc.) if the long barrel will increase the bullets-to-kill, I'll equip it. If not, suppressor definitely.
I think this weapon is fine. It's a solid solid performer in its niche, with drawbacks that mean it does not outcompete other weapons, especially outside its territory as an SMG. The fact that everyone has access to it from the get go is a good thing imo. Not everything needs to be behind a twenty hour grind. Also, whatever the weapon lineup you have you'll always have to have one that comes out as a 'top performer', at least in certain aspects, unless you're looking to have every weapon behave identically, which is nonsense. Idk, i think it is good, but it is balanced appropriately, and in no way broken or affording unfair advantage.
I think it's great to have another level 0 weapon be good, helps keep anyone who is just starting out feel like they're only losing because other people have the level 100+ guns that are better. I don't think it's OP, at most maybe as someone said lower fire rate to 600 but I don't even think that's really necessary due to it's damage fall off being so harsh
I think this is fine, too. It rocks the world up close, but the damage dropoff, velocity and horizontal shake make it awful at longer ranges and middling at medium range at best. The MP7 might even be better, because it's much more consistent against different armor tiers. Also, do not forget that ARs have a better headshot multi than SMGs at 1.5 vs a measly 1.2, allowing them to potentially carve out much juicier TTKs. SMGs are nice for that insane CQC spray, but I do often prefer the ARs for their reliablity. I just prestiged and was surprised again how damn reliable the AK74 is. Love that thing.
I think that's the entire issue honestly, devs probably saw it was not being used much and decided to buff it and now its OP. UMP was always the slower firing lazerbeam that worked better at medium distances than its MP7 starting counterpart which shredded way faster. They could have buffed the damage slightly to make it more competitive with the MP7 but they overbuffed it imo. I don't mind it so much since its honestly the very first "mistake" I'd say the devs have made so far with updates over the last few months.
It's great now, but it was always good. I remember people saying it was the medics secret weapon, but it took me a while to figure out why (mostly nailing the engagement distances its capable of.) But it's definitely been one of my favourites since then.
Honestly, the ump is fine. It's strong close range but actually falls off and gets outcompeted at a reasonable range by ars. It goes about it in an odd way but I have no issues with it.
I've been playing with the ump for the past 2 days, been running into Phobos(current top 15 for kills and XP global) asked a few questions and after 2 games I was almost competing with them. got a new PB of 70 kills ontop. solid gun and with tap fire you can take some longer fights with it
As someone that used the UMP a bit before it was Buffed, i always saw it as a Mini AR with its high Bullet Velocity (like its supposed to be the first MID Range SMG you have, vs the MP7 which is a bullet hose). By that i mean it rewards accuracy, since it has a Low Fire Rate and has a smaller Magazine compared to its alternatives. That said, worth noting that SMGs do not reward you for headshots as much as other weapons, all Headshots do on SMGs is you only have to deal with the lower armor of a Helmet rather then the Chest Plate. As it stands now from this video, GAWD DAME! While all SMGs have had their Damage drop off nerfed (to incentivize close range combat), most Fights still happen within SMG range (under 100 meters). Still, at best you will get 5 kills if you land every shot before hitting the Reload, without emptying the Magazine. Just staring at the Stats, i supposed they could lower the Fire Rate a bit (like 50 to 100 rpm), and honestly, BUFF THE BULLET VELOCITY OF OTHER SMGS! Im not asking for realism but Good Lord, UMP-45 uses 45 Caliber bullets not 9mm. 45. Caliber rounds are SLOW, vs 9mm rounds which are quite fast.
i disagree, SMG should be about CQC. SMGs are lighter than AR so speed should not be an issue. What they should do is make it so that the damage drop off is very sharp and the knock back is very minimal. That way SMGs are limited to CQC, they can maybe beam at range but the TTK must be above most ARs at range.
i stopped playing this game because i'm tired of using SMG. I just want to use an AR but i am forced to use an SMG. If you're not getting killed by an Sniper, you're definitely getting killed by a SMG/Carbine/PDW.
After the range nerf on smgs, the only one thats a problem is the (yes its a PDW) P90. If you want to play with a dominant AR use the FAL, AK15, or HK419
The play at longer ranges. Most fights happen at about 0 to 100 meters. Get beyond 100 meters and that should be firm AR territory. Try out the AUG A3 if ya got it unlocked, it's grate for ranged combat.
It was always been a great gun and one of the best smgs. it is one of the few you can run super easy with no attachments for max run speed. One thing I would like to see fixed is attachments some are useless while others are borderline mandatory on most guns. Im not sure if they removed it yet but DMRs and Snipers got muzzles that increased damage.
I do think the SMGs are CRAZY currently, I feel like the game has forced people to either camp 1000m out from objectives or play like a schizophrenic with an SMG, it makes the medium AR style class (at least for me) seem redundant because you are bested at most fighting range aside from a handful of niches.
That is due to snipers being more on the opressive side in this game. You see, SMG medic with high movement speed is meta, because speed protects you from snipers. It allows you to go between covers quickly and where cover is, there are close quarter fights where SMGs are best. And the fast self heal on medic. Whenver you have a longer ranged fight with someone you are more likely to be exposed to snipers.
@@ESpeer-lv4zfas a marksman user I agree, I usually find myself pinning or killing snipers to let my team push more reliably. I end up not going into close quarters unless I get the chance to switch to g3 cuz yea cqb just a no go with the other marksman rifles
Mid range is all about positioning and spotting targets before they spot you, I’d say it’s actually easier to consistently put people down in the mid range with an AR than an smg up close or a sniper way out
@@ESpeer-lv4zf Semantics and as you already know, but one can also use a sniper with 4x optics. I got 4 new sniper vids on my channel, do check it out :D
It's a very *unpredictable* weapon sometimes simply because of that firerate means you're screwed at longer range, and if you mid shots up close, high RPM guns will smack you down. That being stated, be precise, and you can down 4-5 enemy players in close range, and holy shit is it intoxicating when that happens.
I’ve not found the UMP to be overpowered, I certainly see more people using it now, and I’ve been killed by it more often now but it doesn’t irk me the same way the pre nerf Vector did, back then it seemed like that’s all you died to and that’s how I kind of judge if a gun is OP. If anything drop the velocity a bit because I believe a 45 has lower muzzle velocity than 9mm so it shouldn’t have a higher velocity than the 9mm smg’s, might focus it even more toward cqc that way. I’m curious if this kills faster than the ScorpionEvo though because that’s what I run
Current UMP reminds me of pre-nerf P90; very good gun with very high upsides but doesn't quite reach the absolutely broken status something like launch Vector was able to reach. Only thing I think is weird about this gun is the shockingly low recoil, that should get a nerf.
it was already a lazerbeam before the buff but just didn't get a quickmag at a reasonable lvl, but now after the buff its just unbelievable. I thought it should get a damage buff cus its 45, but not by 10 whole dmg points lmao
I thought it was overpowered since it could effectively kill me close, mid, and long-ish range even though I use an AR I still get outgunned and I don't get how. But when I use it, it does need a bit of skill with the extra recoil.
You really can’t go wrong with any of the PDWs or SMGs even after the range nerfs. I’d still like to see them buff more of the ARs like the SCAR or the ACR for a little more variety.
the last two updates or so ago made this a one tap gun.. really annoying. Especially since it feels like I have to mag dump someone to kill them when I use it.
idk why they buffed the UMP so much, when i started playing at launch, it still felt good to use and could carry me even while being new to the game. I know the SMG nerfs hit it as well, but still lol
I feel like the reloads in this game are too long, as it seems like essentially every gun the first goal is always to decrease the reload time. If reload times were less punishing then it might encourage more variety in attachments and builds
I think that the UMP could use a nerf, probably it the handling department. I like the TTKand the DMG+Firerate combination but it feels weird that its also the best or close to it in every other stat.
i think it's like good n bad making low lvl guns strong but it sucks in my opinion bc what's the point of me grinding levels to get new guns if they are just gonna be worse than one unlocked at lvl 30 or something
@@friedpotatoesa1083 I'd sooner want the damage dropoff to adjust at longer ranges and as for up close, PDWs and SMGs would still chew through armor but...well, would require more chewing
Mp5 got starting dmg drop off nerf from 50m to 20m. Over nerfed imo. It should be out at 30 or 35m. To give it something unique from other SMGs since it's average in all categories
Metas are an unavoidable truth of FPS games my friend, it just comes down to how well a balanced the arsenal is and how many of those weapons are in said meta. So in a way, there may be an element of “it depends”, but there will always be stand outs
@AeroElectro Some people are using the lasers as their aiming crosshairs in close sudden cqc. I think that is what cami i refering to not any hip fire spread improvement that does not exist.
Like @ghostshade said, as a support main that use medium scope, laser is the only thing that can give me a fighting chance in a CQB because how clunky the support guns are, since even if I add a red dot the aiming time just add to the ttk.
I think it might be slightly different, I do not recall. On weapons like this where the quick reload is similar to regular reload you should just get in the habit of reloading before you mag is empty anyways. I do think quick reloading an empty mag is still slower but I would google it to be safe.
at least if some idiot attacks you with ump at range you can take cover properly. on the other hand if that some idiot uses the son of a gun pre-nerfed vector you can't get a chance.
No its not. Fal 40 dmg at 650, groza is 34 at at 650. Ak5c is 34 at 600 i think. People act like its so outlandish, but its really not. I don't see anyone complaining about those guns. They have the same and in some cases better ttk, with much better range and magazine size.
Lol, there is hardly "balance" in this game. The devs have not listen to the players for some time. The game is loosing more and more players as time passes. SMG's at large need to be nerfed. They should not be comparable to the assault rifles.
The devs are actively listening to feedback and making changes every day. ALL SMG's were universally nerfed last month in response to player feedback. Only this one received a buff due to it being massively underwhelming prior. Just because it dominates up to 30 meters doesn't mean it is "comparable" to assault rifles, it means that it's properly filling its role of being an SMG that kills up close and struggles at mid to long range
the thing is that most of the fights happen at 50m or less, that makes smgs and pdw very powerful, and because flanking in this game is so rewarding the only thing that matters is mag size and running speed. Having long range fights is not rewarding because you cant just fucking spray one mag into a crowd and get 10 kills, you need to focus people one by one, which takes a lot longer, and its not taking into account that you miss, someone snipes you from 426 meters, or you just get fucked by an rpg.
UMP Meta are more toxic than p90 Meta smh (probably due to ump are guns you can get it from level 0 instead of 125 and also due to the gun characteristic being absolute peashooter madness)
Just got done testing the UMP-45 after watching this video. I was shitting on everyone with the UMP. It's sad that SMGs are still this strong. I just want to use an AR...
does the game have a functioning anticheat yet? EAC is a pretty good anticheat but last i played it was implemented so poorly you could just disable it in task manager after starting the game and cheat all you wanted, even with a dogshit paste, even with a "detected" cheat, as long as you injected after EAC got disabled. EAC should not be able to be disabled, thats the games bloody anticheat ffs. The faceit AC shit is never gonna happen, if they haven't invested in a real anticheat yet i doubt they ever will.
it's funny that the UMP45 always does more damage than the 9mm SMGs in games, even though in real life those 2 cartridges actually do indistinguishable damage to a human, and the 9mm even might have more light armor pen in some cases... but no shade thrown at Battlebit, it's just funny in my head, it should do more damage cause it fires slower comparatively
soon the melee weapons will have the longest range. and you will be able to put suppressors and bipods on them the way the devs put things in their game and nerf things. hilariously this gun can attach the N T-4 556 which is a SUPPRESSOR irl for 5.56mm rifles..... in game it somehow ISNT a suppressor and makes the VELOCITY INCREASE LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! but if you did manage to put one on a UMP irl the gun would EXPLODE the second you pulled the trigger. these devs REALLY need to do just a little research. seriously. its embarrassing. also arbitrary stats. lol.
that is what makes me laugh sometimes, like how tf do you put a 7,62 attachments on a 5,56, or even on a fucking 9mm beretta like wtf man, thats not how it works. The thing is that a lot of the attachments have calibers written next to them (nt556, dgn308?), its so stupid. Btw what i also found is that flash-hider does not look like a flash hider, it takes less than 2 minutes to google and see that compensator resembles flash hider better than flash hider itself.
Nah the UMP is just waaaaaaaaaay overtuned rn and does everything well, beyond stupid in CQB, still very good at medium range and shockingly still good at long (SMG) range. Not to mention with the right attachments the recoil isn't high and the reload is great, all this with SMG movement just feels a bit much.
They should nerf the dmg drop off start to 10m like vector for CQC. 35 dmg with drop off at 20m makes it still perform better at range than MP5 because of the high starting dmg.
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A SMG that recks only up close seems fine to me. If it really is that bad I'd say just to what they did with the AUG but in reverse and slow down the fire rate by 50-100 at most. Makes the weapon still good but even more emphasis on being accurate and punishing a few missed shots.
Yeah if it ends up needing a nerf I think this would be a good move, I'm not sure it does need that nerf yet but we'll see
Slower fire rate is not a good move. It's why I hated the Aug till the buff. Even when I was clearly shooting someone the guns slow rate caused me many deaths even against long range fights. People would just run behind corners too after one bullet. It's why used the AK15 or M4 mostly for my AR needs.
@@kingcaesar3693ummm the AK-12 shoots slow and is still good but you say slow shooting guns are bad? Isn't that a bit contradictory...?
@@kingcaesar3693 Tbf, Aug does 31 damage compared to the UMP's 35, which is a massive difference.
Aug 4-shots naked and light armor and 5 shots medium armor at 31 damage, while the UMP 3-shots naked targets and 4-shots light and medium armor at 35 damage. If we nerfed the UMP's firerate below 600, that's still a much faster TTK than the Aug even after its buff from 500 firerate to 600 firerate, as the UMP does a lot more damage.
UMP having a slow firerate won't feel the same as pre-buff AUG did, as UMP will usually require one less shot to kill in almost all circumstances, which will prevent the UMP from feeling rather shit like the pre-buff Aug did.
Yeah overall it seems to be within the realms of balance for now. We’ll see where things end up in the future I guess!
I feel something that you failed to mention was the insane mobility of this weapon, 1.1 may not seem like much but with light armor you run as fast as an f1 car or something, great video nonetheless
Something I could definitely emphasize more in the future. Cheers mate!
idk what the devs smoked to make a smg do more damage than rifles or guns like the m249
45acp, created by boomer magic
It’s in the lords caliber, that’s why
it’s for game balance
a smg with over 30dmg doesnt seem balanced at all@@Sarahsqueak
Game balance, it’s a slow shooting smg that performs well close-range. Compared to the faster shooting rifles and m249, even though they have lower damage, they shoot faster and perform better at medium range.
The UMP wouldn’t be viable if it had low damage on top of low fire-rate.
Im extremely happy that the devs made one of the starter weapons meta, at least it wont feel like you're getting pummeled while learning the game
Couldn’t agree more. The “starter weapon being powerful” balance is very important to improving new player retention I feel.
There are already enough of them - mp7, m4, ak 15... and so on, really no lack of good guns for lower lvls
@@PL-zh7cv only valid response there is the Mp7. M4 is not meta and the AK15 is unwieldily for new players, even though I personally like using it myself
@@alb.88 M4 is definitely meta on regular matches. You aren't playing comp dude.
My favorite SMG in every shooter game getting love in BattleBit, glad to have it happening.
Get in there and enjoy it mate!
I actually really like where the UMP is. I think it might need a very slight nerf to fire rate and velocity, but otherwise I actually think I'd want it to be the standard that other weapons are balanced around. Rewards those who play to it's strengths, punishes you hard when you misuse it.
Personally, I really love running it with a suppressor, helps me stay unseen on the flank for just a little bit longer, and it's a great flavor pick.
That does seem to be what is happening. Looking at the recent buffs to assault rifles and PDWs
I too enjoy running suppressors on my guns unless I'm equipping some of the game's cannons (AK15, SCAR, FAL, G3, etc.) if the long barrel will increase the bullets-to-kill, I'll equip it. If not, suppressor definitely.
I’d agree with that overall approach. Keeps it powerful in the space that it’s meant to be.
I think this weapon is fine. It's a solid solid performer in its niche, with drawbacks that mean it does not outcompete other weapons, especially outside its territory as an SMG. The fact that everyone has access to it from the get go is a good thing imo. Not everything needs to be behind a twenty hour grind.
Also, whatever the weapon lineup you have you'll always have to have one that comes out as a 'top performer', at least in certain aspects, unless you're looking to have every weapon behave identically, which is nonsense.
Idk, i think it is good, but it is balanced appropriately, and in no way broken or affording unfair advantage.
I think it's great to have another level 0 weapon be good, helps keep anyone who is just starting out feel like they're only losing because other people have the level 100+ guns that are better. I don't think it's OP, at most maybe as someone said lower fire rate to 600 but I don't even think that's really necessary due to it's damage fall off being so harsh
Yeah fair call mate. Appreciate your thoughts on this one.
I think this is fine, too. It rocks the world up close, but the damage dropoff, velocity and horizontal shake make it awful at longer ranges and middling at medium range at best.
The MP7 might even be better, because it's much more consistent against different armor tiers.
Also, do not forget that ARs have a better headshot multi than SMGs at 1.5 vs a measly 1.2, allowing them to potentially carve out much juicier TTKs.
SMGs are nice for that insane CQC spray, but I do often prefer the ARs for their reliablity. I just prestiged and was surprised again how damn reliable the AK74 is. Love that thing.
Good thoughts mate! Thanks for sharing!
Ive been using the ump forever. It was very underrated before the last patch
It was good before the last patch yeah. Even though it was slower you could reach out and touch somebody with it
I think that's the entire issue honestly, devs probably saw it was not being used much and decided to buff it and now its OP.
UMP was always the slower firing lazerbeam that worked better at medium distances than its MP7 starting counterpart which shredded way faster.
They could have buffed the damage slightly to make it more competitive with the MP7 but they overbuffed it imo.
I don't mind it so much since its honestly the very first "mistake" I'd say the devs have made so far with updates over the last few months.
It's great now, but it was always good. I remember people saying it was the medics secret weapon, but it took me a while to figure out why (mostly nailing the engagement distances its capable of.) But it's definitely been one of my favourites since then.
Honestly, the ump is fine. It's strong close range but actually falls off and gets outcompeted at a reasonable range by ars. It goes about it in an odd way but I have no issues with it.
I've been playing with the ump for the past 2 days, been running into Phobos(current top 15 for kills and XP global) asked a few questions and after 2 games I was almost competing with them. got a new PB of 70 kills ontop. solid gun and with tap fire you can take some longer fights with it
As someone that used the UMP a bit before it was Buffed, i always saw it as a Mini AR with its high Bullet Velocity (like its supposed to be the first MID Range SMG you have, vs the MP7 which is a bullet hose). By that i mean it rewards accuracy, since it has a Low Fire Rate and has a smaller Magazine compared to its alternatives. That said, worth noting that SMGs do not reward you for headshots as much as other weapons, all Headshots do on SMGs is you only have to deal with the lower armor of a Helmet rather then the Chest Plate.
As it stands now from this video, GAWD DAME! While all SMGs have had their Damage drop off nerfed (to incentivize close range combat), most Fights still happen within SMG range (under 100 meters). Still, at best you will get 5 kills if you land every shot before hitting the Reload, without emptying the Magazine.
Just staring at the Stats, i supposed they could lower the Fire Rate a bit (like 50 to 100 rpm), and honestly, BUFF THE BULLET VELOCITY OF OTHER SMGS! Im not asking for realism but Good Lord, UMP-45 uses 45 Caliber bullets not 9mm. 45. Caliber rounds are SLOW, vs 9mm rounds which are quite fast.
UMP-45 brings me back to BF3 on Noshar Canals. Lovin' it.
Hitting me with that nostalgia my friend.
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i feel like they shoud slow down the running speed of the ump 45 so you really need to chose
i disagree, SMG should be about CQC. SMGs are lighter than AR so speed should not be an issue. What they should do is make it so that the damage drop off is very sharp and the knock back is very minimal. That way SMGs are limited to CQC, they can maybe beam at range but the TTK must be above most ARs at range.
@@xHARUx326x Its move speed should be reduced but not by too much
Probably just down to ~1.08 would be fine.
i stopped playing this game because i'm tired of using SMG. I just want to use an AR but i am forced to use an SMG. If you're not getting killed by an Sniper, you're definitely getting killed by a SMG/Carbine/PDW.
Your Acting like ar are bad lol.... dont know about you, bjt dropping 50+ kills with a good kda is not hard with 80% of the guns
After the range nerf on smgs, the only one thats a problem is the (yes its a PDW) P90. If you want to play with a dominant AR use the FAL, AK15, or HK419
ngl, thats really not a problem lol, theres a ton of good and versatiles ARs, if you want something for closer ranges just use a famas or a m4.
The play at longer ranges. Most fights happen at about 0 to 100 meters. Get beyond 100 meters and that should be firm AR territory.
Try out the AUG A3 if ya got it unlocked, it's grate for ranged combat.
@@jaywerner8415 have to agree about the AUG on ranged combat. Right now, it's my go to AR as it has good accuracy and is pretty easy to control.
It was always been a great gun and one of the best smgs. it is one of the few you can run super easy with no attachments for max run speed. One thing I would like to see fixed is attachments some are useless while others are borderline mandatory on most guns. Im not sure if they removed it yet but DMRs and Snipers got muzzles that increased damage.
LOVE THE UMP, it's my fav gun on my stats
I do think the SMGs are CRAZY currently, I feel like the game has forced people to either camp 1000m out from objectives or play like a schizophrenic with an SMG, it makes the medium AR style class (at least for me) seem redundant because you are bested at most fighting range aside from a handful of niches.
That is due to snipers being more on the opressive side in this game. You see, SMG medic with high movement speed is meta, because speed protects you from snipers. It allows you to go between covers quickly and where cover is, there are close quarter fights where SMGs are best. And the fast self heal on medic. Whenver you have a longer ranged fight with someone you are more likely to be exposed to snipers.
No. The sniper is busy getting shot by the marksman whose optics are not visible. Also the MG is useless too. @@WhiteSharks-wz6kn
@@ESpeer-lv4zfas a marksman user I agree, I usually find myself pinning or killing snipers to let my team push more reliably. I end up not going into close quarters unless I get the chance to switch to g3 cuz yea cqb just a no go with the other marksman rifles
Mid range is all about positioning and spotting targets before they spot you, I’d say it’s actually easier to consistently put people down in the mid range with an AR than an smg up close or a sniper way out
@@ESpeer-lv4zf Semantics and as you already know, but one can also use a sniper with 4x optics. I got 4 new sniper vids on my channel, do check it out :D
If I may ask, I noticed the game looks more crisp on your side, can we have a settings overview? I can't seem to find a good "settings"
It's a very *unpredictable* weapon sometimes simply because of that firerate means you're screwed at longer range, and if you mid shots up close, high RPM guns will smack you down.
That being stated, be precise, and you can down 4-5 enemy players in close range, and holy shit is it intoxicating when that happens.
i got my first 100+ kill game with this gun after it was buffed, i love it
Aye GGs mate!
I’ve not found the UMP to be overpowered, I certainly see more people using it now, and I’ve been killed by it more often now but it doesn’t irk me the same way the pre nerf Vector did, back then it seemed like that’s all you died to and that’s how I kind of judge if a gun is OP. If anything drop the velocity a bit because I believe a 45 has lower muzzle velocity than 9mm so it shouldn’t have a higher velocity than the 9mm smg’s, might focus it even more toward cqc that way. I’m curious if this kills faster than the ScorpionEvo though because that’s what I run
Current UMP reminds me of pre-nerf P90; very good gun with very high upsides but doesn't quite reach the absolutely broken status something like launch Vector was able to reach. Only thing I think is weird about this gun is the shockingly low recoil, that should get a nerf.
it was already a lazerbeam before the buff but just didn't get a quickmag at a reasonable lvl, but now after the buff its just unbelievable. I thought it should get a damage buff cus its 45, but not by 10 whole dmg points lmao
I thought it was overpowered since it could effectively kill me close, mid, and long-ish range even though I use an AR I still get outgunned and I don't get how. But when I use it, it does need a bit of skill with the extra recoil.
This is a bit off topic, but do you play with 64 or 127 players in your gameplays?
You really can’t go wrong with any of the PDWs or SMGs even after the range nerfs. I’d still like to see them buff more of the ARs like the SCAR or the ACR for a little more variety.
Strong SMGs, meta COD like playstale that attracts tryhard teens already killed this suposedly casual shooter.
i really love the constantly chaning meta, makes the game feel new everytime
the last two updates or so ago made this a one tap gun.. really annoying. Especially since it feels like I have to mag dump someone to kill them when I use it.
Its really hampered by its mag size, slow reload, and slow fire rate.
But overall, I really love the niche
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idk why they buffed the UMP so much, when i started playing at launch, it still felt good to use and could carry me even while being new to the game. I know the SMG nerfs hit it as well, but still lol
Be sure to cover the PP2000 next, absolutely insane
havent had any luck with this gun i keep switching off it .. maybe i need more attachments or just bad... probs just bad
Has been my favourite for q long time.
Love it in bf4 and have has great success with it in bb
Isn't the UMP-45 unlocked at level 0? I don't recall needing to level at all to use it.
My go to weapon ever since i started in battlebit
How good is AK15 today?
I feel like the reloads in this game are too long, as it seems like essentially every gun the first goal is always to decrease the reload time. If reload times were less punishing then it might encourage more variety in attachments and builds
I think that the UMP could use a nerf, probably it the handling department. I like the TTKand the DMG+Firerate combination but it feels weird that its also the best or close to it in every other stat.
Can u make a video on the ak5c? thats currently my favorite gun
Do you think movement speed will get reduced in the future?
i think it's like good n bad making low lvl guns strong but it sucks in my opinion bc what's the point of me grinding levels to get new guns if they are just gonna be worse than one unlocked at lvl 30 or something
UMP45 or P90 ?
Kinda crazy to me that a .45 ACP can do that much damage up close meanwhile we got 5.56 guns doing 23 damage LMAO
Gameplay balance my man, always takes priority over any kind of realism 😊
I think they might could balance pistol calibers, by having them be high damage close up but stopped completely and unable to break armor.
I'd like a 5.7 with armor cracker stats but relatively low damage unless head shots.
@@friedpotatoesa1083 I'd sooner want the damage dropoff to adjust at longer ranges and as for up close, PDWs and SMGs would still chew through armor but...well, would require more chewing
what does he mean by long reload?
So the one smg i have yet to touch is now viable. im tired of slaying with the f2000 anyway.
What about the MP5? I was blasting with it before the last patch.
Mp5 got starting dmg drop off nerf from 50m to 20m. Over nerfed imo. It should be out at 30 or 35m. To give it something unique from other SMGs since it's average in all categories
I hope that one day, the standard response to "what is the current meta?" is "it depends..." :/
Metas are an unavoidable truth of FPS games my friend, it just comes down to how well a balanced the arsenal is and how many of those weapons are in said meta. So in a way, there may be an element of “it depends”, but there will always be stand outs
Whats armor loadout?
Gotta give the like for the effort
RSH buff and maybe look at PP19?
66-9 100k points on namak today. Ump is my baby
I recommend against using laser or any kind of side attachments (except flashlights on night maps ofc). Laser just adds debuffs and has no real use.
Lol they should honestly just remove the lasers entirely. They’re completely useless due to the performance hit.
Idk why Cami keeps recommending laser. There is no evidence that it reduces hip fire spread or something.
@AeroElectro Some people are using the lasers as their aiming crosshairs in close sudden cqc. I think that is what cami i refering to not any hip fire spread improvement that does not exist.
Like @ghostshade said, as a support main that use medium scope, laser is the only thing that can give me a fighting chance in a CQB because how clunky the support guns are, since even if I add a red dot the aiming time just add to the ttk.
When the Sg550 gonna get a video? 🥺
It was great this whole time lol
Can't say it's an ERA of some weapon, if it lasted like a couple weeks at most
I thought only 2 reload speeds existed, how do you get a slower reload than base?
reload with an empty mag
@@abgelaufenes thank you so much for this info, does it also apply even if I drop the mag while reloading?
I think it might be slightly different, I do not recall. On weapons like this where the quick reload is similar to regular reload you should just get in the habit of reloading before you mag is empty anyways.
I do think quick reloading an empty mag is still slower but I would google it to be safe.
i reached prestige and yeah UMP is best :D
I'm seeing F2000's more than UMPs
Best shooter out🎉 there🎉
That thing is a fucking beam
SMGs are still way too strong compared to everything else. Even with two, or is it three nerfs now?
They are literally buffing assault rifles. Not like most of them are struggling atm tho
The 416 is top now.
Don't let them know about the g36c please...
at least if some idiot attacks you with ump at range you can take cover properly. on the other hand if that some idiot uses the son of a gun pre-nerfed vector you can't get a chance.
As s new player that‘s acually great news.
Oh naur the "pee-niney" 🤣
35 dmg at 650 rpm is kinda nuts
No its not. Fal 40 dmg at 650, groza is 34 at at 650. Ak5c is 34 at 600 i think. People act like its so outlandish, but its really not. I don't see anyone complaining about those guns. They have the same and in some cases better ttk, with much better range and magazine size.
An UMP-45, and two zig-zags, baby that's all we need.
We can go to the park, after dark
Smoke that tumbleweed
So engage at long range, controlled bursts and bring friends to eat CQC's lunch. got it
Yeah they gonna nerf it next patch for sure
Nah. I'll stick with my 45 round M4 all-rounder.
Its to strong i think just a little nerf would be enough
mp7 still rocks this low fire rate gun
Lol, there is hardly "balance" in this game. The devs have not listen to the players for some time. The game is loosing more and more players as time passes.
SMG's at large need to be nerfed. They should not be comparable to the assault rifles.
The devs are actively listening to feedback and making changes every day. ALL SMG's were universally nerfed last month in response to player feedback. Only this one received a buff due to it being massively underwhelming prior. Just because it dominates up to 30 meters doesn't mean it is "comparable" to assault rifles, it means that it's properly filling its role of being an SMG that kills up close and struggles at mid to long range
the thing is that most of the fights happen at 50m or less, that makes smgs and pdw very powerful, and because flanking in this game is so rewarding the only thing that matters is mag size and running speed. Having long range fights is not rewarding because you cant just fucking spray one mag into a crowd and get 10 kills, you need to focus people one by one, which takes a lot longer, and its not taking into account that you miss, someone snipes you from 426 meters, or you just get fucked by an rpg.
UMP Meta are more toxic than p90 Meta smh (probably due to ump are guns you can get it from level 0 instead of 125 and also due to the gun characteristic being absolute peashooter madness)
Just got done testing the UMP-45 after watching this video. I was shitting on everyone with the UMP. It's sad that SMGs are still this strong. I just want to use an AR...
Then use an AR, all guns are viable
G3 is the god gun
i prefer the mp5
Just gimme the fal
does the game have a functioning anticheat yet? EAC is a pretty good anticheat but last i played it was implemented so poorly you could just disable it in task manager after starting the game and cheat all you wanted, even with a dogshit paste, even with a "detected" cheat, as long as you injected after EAC got disabled. EAC should not be able to be disabled, thats the games bloody anticheat ffs. The faceit AC shit is never gonna happen, if they haven't invested in a real anticheat yet i doubt they ever will.
UMP-45 super broken
it's funny that the UMP45 always does more damage than the 9mm SMGs in games, even though in real life those 2 cartridges actually do indistinguishable damage to a human, and the 9mm even might have more light armor pen in some cases... but no shade thrown at Battlebit, it's just funny in my head, it should do more damage cause it fires slower comparatively
its funny because it does more damage than 5,56. ffs it does similar damage to 7,62. How tf does that work???
@@mugger4696there’s so many factors that could go into a rifle caliber weapon having less punch than a 9mm or a 45, it’s certainly possible
@@GooberLoofer420 please, tell me a few factors that explain why a pistol cartridge does more damage that a rifle cartridge, while having less speed
soon the melee weapons will have the longest range. and you will be able to put suppressors and bipods on them the way the devs put things in their game and nerf things.
hilariously this gun can attach the N T-4 556 which is a SUPPRESSOR irl for 5.56mm rifles..... in game it somehow ISNT a suppressor and makes the VELOCITY INCREASE LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
but if you did manage to put one on a UMP irl the gun would EXPLODE the second you pulled the trigger.
these devs REALLY need to do just a little research. seriously. its embarrassing.
also arbitrary stats. lol.
that is what makes me laugh sometimes, like how tf do you put a 7,62 attachments on a 5,56, or even on a fucking 9mm beretta like wtf man, thats not how it works.
The thing is that a lot of the attachments have calibers written next to them (nt556, dgn308?), its so stupid. Btw what i also found is that flash-hider does not look like a flash hider, it takes less than 2 minutes to google and see that compensator resembles flash hider better than flash hider itself.
Nah hk419
Nah the UMP is just waaaaaaaaaay overtuned rn and does everything well, beyond stupid in CQB, still very good at medium range and shockingly still good at long (SMG) range. Not to mention with the right attachments the recoil isn't high and the reload is great, all this with SMG movement just feels a bit much.
They should nerf the dmg drop off start to 10m like vector for CQC. 35 dmg with drop off at 20m makes it still perform better at range than MP5 because of the high starting dmg.
A other SMG... sigh
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The UMP is fine. Whoever whines about it are just trash or will always find something to whine about.
Dude stop running past dead people if you're playing medic.
SMGs in this game are stupid
Twitch=sucks
AK15 is the God Gun