Will Marvel ever publish John Byrne's X Men Elsewhen?
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2023
- It's out there, so wouldn't John Byrne's Elsewhen be a good book to publish?
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Elsewhere is Byrne's swan song, and while I'm not crazy about all his writing decisions, it's still an impressive chunk of work. I would definitely pick this up in a finished book format.
It's a shame the comic industry has always, and still does, throw away veteran creators.
Yeah,look what happened to Jack Kirby.
I think he stopped on a cliffhanger. Last I read, he's been saying that he's not motivated and inspired to keep going. We should be grateful for what we got.
I love the fact of how Byrne is so interactive with his fans on his website.
Byrne did a fantastic, completely underrated job writing the Mandarin, elevating him to A lister archvillain status during his Iron Man run (The Dragonseed Saga). Without rushing, issue after issue, he organically infused his character with complexity and a certain nobility. Of course, not long after that, Marvel let the Mandarin's potential go to waste and much of Byrne's storytelling became undone.
Discovered this about a year ago and reading it made me feel like a teen again. Perfect? No. But exciting, fun, soap opera goodness? Heck yeah. Also reminded me just how badly comics have changed over the years.
I kinda hope Abrams Books gives Byrne the same deal Alex Ross got with his Fantastic Four GN (which was also originally based on a run pitch he did back in 2018 that also didn’t go through).
I was thinking the exact same thing!
@@Setzer81 If Abrams basically becomes the only way to circumvent Marvel's petty office politics & actually get good stuff published again officially, so be it. Just imagine if they got to print out BWS' Thing GN as well.
This DEFINITELY needs to be an Abrams books release, with painted style colors would look amazing.
John lives near me in Stamford, CT. I think he's one of comics modern masters and if they collect more of his work, everyone will realize this.
A lot of his stuff has been collected, the Alpha Flight by John Byrne, Avengers by John Byrre and Marvel Universe by John Byrne Omnibuses are wonderful. There's also the Fantastic Four vol 1 + 2 omnis and his work comprises large parts of Uncanny X-Men omni Vol 1 + 2. His runs on Namor, She-Hulk and X-Men:Hidden Years have also been collected, Marvel have been making $$$ off John Byrnes work, they just have been too proud, arrogant and stubborn to hire him for new work.
@@locusmortis I have some of original pages.
There are 2 live interviews ( filmed in Byrne's home )on Syfy Behind the scenes that are fairly good,if you're a fan,I'd suggest watch then.
Would love to do an X-Factor like this… Even thought about just doing pencils for books so I can get them out fast and cheap…
This is the first time I'm hearing about Elsewhen and I'm glad you mentioned it so I can tell my buddy Chris who is a huge fan of that Claremont/Byrne era of X-Men
Elsewhen is John Byrne's ideas on what he'd do with the Uncanny X-Men. It takes a point in the early days of these all new X-Men, and then goes from there. John Byrne left The Uncanny X-Men, because he had wanted to do things with the X-Men that was different than what Claremont wanted to do.
I know Joe Quesada really disliked Byrne and he subsequently cancelled X-Men Hidden years when he became EIC in spite of good sales. On a Drink and Draw stream dedicated to the work of John Byrne Quesada said he was not familiar with John Byrne’s work until he became EIC in 2001.
No cap bro
Quesada is one of the WORST things that happened to Marvel Comics. The ripples of One More Day are still affecting Marvel Comics.
@@Kooster69 True, one more day was awful. Almost as bad, in terms of the X-men was House of M, that pretty much destroyed the X-Men books and they've never properly recovered since.
I don’t mind cantankerous people especially when he has good reason to be.
I think he is more talented than most creators today.
I would buy comics with John Byrne’s art no questions asked.
Me too.But,Byrne has been in comics since the 70s,he's an old school die heart,set in his ways.And doesn't suffer fools easily.
One of the best Marvel stories of the last decade... not done by Marvel. They're fools to not use Byrne. I wish I had the opportunity to offer him work --- he's incredible.
I've seen Scott Williams inked pages from it online that are STELLAR. Pretty sure you could get Scott to do more...
Marvel should do whatever it takes to get Byrne back, active. Print, in the best possible formats, the X-Men: Elsewhen series as well as reprinting his “The Last Galactus” story that he did in Epic magazine, but was never permitted to complete. Reprint the story and let Byrne finish it. These two projects alone would seriously begin to fill up Marvel’s dwindling coffers of shekels as far as the comic book publishing is concerned. That, and the great degree of positive attention all this would bring to Marvel shouldn’t be underestimated. Then, let Byrne pick his party - whatever he wants to do -- and give him unfettered creative freedom. Money talks, and Byrne could have the higher ups at Marvel ( Disney ) listening, in my opinion.
I like that Byrne did Elsewhen for the fans and brought it to them directly, leaving out the wholly unnecessary middleman. Disney may legally own the X-Men, but in truth they BELONG to the fans.
This project inspired James Silvani and I to do the same with our Darkwing Duck run.
I now think of him mainly for Superman. I originally didn't love it, but a few years later, I started appreciating it much more.
“Legend saves (Marvel, DC, Image, etc.) comics.” The PTB will never let that headline appear.
Byrne was in talks with CB about it and allegedly walked away from the talks. Maybe he wanted too much control (and he would need an editor and maybe a scripter) or maybe Marvel was hesitant to launch this in the midst of Hickman’s stuff starting.
Read most of elsewhen, didn't finish it. Art was great, but it got to a point where I really didn't like where the story was going. But it took most of the run before I felt like that. Still an impressive feat for someone doing it on their own.
Perch, I didn't even know about this! I can't believe I missed out. This is great stuff and reminds me how awesome the X-men used to be. While Byrne has his reputation, it would be nice for the industry to actually take care of some of the veterans who helped flesh out the characters we know and love. Sadly, Disney and WBD could care less.
I would buy this in a heartbeat!
Me too.
@@powerbadpowerbad me too.
You don't have to buy it. It is free!
John Byrne is my Idol! I met him in 1984 at a small show and he happily signed a stack of books for me. His art is the best and his storytelling is top notch, he could revitalize the entire marvel line if they would pay him, and apologize for all the crap they gave him!
Maybe I should revise my previously suggested Marvel gravestone epitaph from "Suck it, Fanboys!" to... "Marvel: Spite before Success".
THIS could be THE MAJOR REASON why Marvel will never pick up ELSEWHEN:
JB: I have been pitching a Demon series every couple of years or so since I first went to work for DC "full time" in the days of MAN OF STEEL. With a "new regime" in the form of Dan DiDio, I decided it was time to try again, but this time, knowing Dan comes from a Hollywood background, I decided to take a slightly different approach. To this end, I sat down and "shot the pilot", drawing, completely on spec, the whole 22 pages of my "first issue". This I turned in to Dan, along with a script. He liked it -- but there was a problem. DC has a new policy (DC seems to be in love with new policies, just at the nonce) which requires that all work done with existing characters be vouchered before the work is done. (Smart, I suppose -- prevents people popping up later and trying to say work-made-for-hire was not, in fact, work-made-for-hire.) This meant they could not use the "pilot"
The reason why John Byrne is known for its X-Men run because it’s the greatest X-Men run of all time. Everything else, from Chris Claremont, endless decades of writing it, to the various artists, to the franchise it became… None of that, and I mean absolutely none of that tops, the momentum that Dave Corcoran started, and John Burroughs finished in the Phoenix saga, and then days of future past. Those top two runs back to back from each other. We’re not about selling more books it was about tell me a great story with a writer/artist/creative force that were at the top of his game. Outside of things, like dark knight, daredevil with Frank Miller, and lesser things like future imperfect with Joyce Perez, and even the Bucyk and George Perez work of the avengers relaunch… None of that is interesting and John Byrne is number one of the top X-Men traders of a Hall of Fame list of creators.
John Byrne is better than 90% of comic artist alive today. No one is buying these books because of illustrations. No one’s buying these books for glossy Photoshop. They are buying them for stories and storytelling is his forte and if he was able to get a great project that he allowed to take his time in the vein of Alex Ross, he went below the credible work of Alex Ross to smithereens.
Hopefully your take on the Disney wanting to do more of what Alex Ross dead will realize that characters like John, as well as Simonson, and even other legends are available to drop a nice truck could change to, and allow them to show the entirety of this industry how real comics are done
@@____2080_____ I must say that I always liked Byrne‘s art style. It may not be that glamorous Alex Ross, but I wouldn’t say that Byrne is just story. He has his distinctive style that works very well with his story telling. The art really tells the story it’s supposed to do. Furthermore, his Marvel characters just have this classic look to them, they really do feel as if they looked always like this. For me it’s like seeing his art style immediately brings a smile to my face, because I know I‘m in for something good.
I’d always heard Marvel wanted to publish it but Byrne turned them down. If they actually were the ones who passed on it that’s head exploding that they’d just leave money on the table like that?!? Could you imagine an imprint where they had this plus Miller back on Daredevil, Simonson on Thor, etc? Byrne and Claremont’s run on Xmen was so important in such a myriad of ways. This stuff is such a fan’s dream come true. And let’s face it: Byrne earned the right to be cantankerous a long time ago. Whatever his personality it never was reflected in his comics which to me always felt like a continuation of the hopeful positivity of classic Kirby/Lee/Ditko Marvel. Thank you John Byrne, you’re a legend! Excelsior!!!
Thank you, Perch. I never heard of this!
John Byrne's art was awesome then and it is awesome now! Such talent has not age and it just gets better and better. If only Terry Austin would ink him on Elsewhen!!! Imagine that! Awesome. Always have and always will love John Byrne's work! AGL
If you watch the scifi interview with him, they were in talks then...he was all for it...its a shame when egos get in the way not to mention being totally embarrassed by the sales this would get compared to their current stuff.
Byrne is my favorite comic artist and I got to meet him at dragon con in the 90's and he sketched a headshot of wolverine for me. So wish marvel would do this...guess they just don't want to make money.
I am very happy to see all the comments by those who knew nothing about this, and now they do.
This is completely new to me and I’m a huge X fan! (More a fan of the 90s x-men than the current run, but still a fan in general). Thank you!!
Thanks for posting this! I had no idea.
Sold as soon as you said Byrne I was in
Not sure if it was you or Zack who told me about this but I love it!
To me I wish alex ross the artist would become the editor in chief of marvel. If he ever wanted to. I love marvels, and the earth x trilogy. He knows classic marvel. And to be honest the days of the mcu are long over. I'd rather see an animated series like avengers earth's mightiest heroes to come back. That respects the comics and lore. Than another bad mcu film played by Hollywood actors who play themselves not the characters. I'm going to check this x men book out.
Uhhh... Byrne kinda has returned to Marvel after DC several times and he did briefly return to X-Men as a writer, and after being done dirty on that gig (Bob Harras replaced him with Fabian Nicieza without warning and Byrne had to find out through the social grapevine) I seem to remember him returning for maybe Spider Girl?
So when does Perch Publishing make the deal to print these like Abrams did for Ross' FF book?
I can't agree more with you saying John Byrne would outsell the current marvel X-Men and other marvel comics. One thing I realized is that he doesn't even need Chris Claremont and that, when they were working together on Uncanny X-Men, his contribution not only was unique and smashing evocative in terms of his Art but he was also contributing to the stories and depth of characters, way, way more than I had been aware of before. X-Men were realistic in a fantastic world and fantastic in a realistic world. That's been dead for decades now... That's what made their cult and popular success, that's what made them from contenders to Marvel's trademark and that's what has been lost. I'm 54, I've read X-Men since 1976, both in France, where I'm from and in USA and now, when I take any issue... but those where Dave Cockrum and then John Byrne worked on. When I found out about Elsewhen I "jumped" on it and I found back the X-Men.
I never knew of this and I've been reading/collecting since the 70's. I have All of the Xmen by Byrne, the few Avengers and West Coast Avengers he's done,Man of Steel, Hulk, some She Hulk, his FF and Most of his Iron Fist run.Even have that JLA /Doom Patrol by him and Chris Claremont......
BUT I have never heard of this.....AND WOULD LOVE TO READ THEM.
Where can I buy the 32 issue omnibus?
Yea you’ve talked about Byrne continuing his run on his site a few times before. I should probably have a look at it.
This is the first I’ve heard of this, thank you!!🎉 Dream come true!!!
John Byrne's X-Men: Elsewhen will not happen by Marvel because of, as you said, EGO and probably more to do with money! Marvel will not pay such a LEGEND as John Byrne or any other legend comics artist, for that matter, what they are worth. At least that is what it seems like. But absolutely, it would be great to have Byrne and other legends create a monthly Marvel comic or even several times a year. Especially, Byrne. AGL
I did not know about X-Men Else when by John Byrne ! It’s new and surprising to me ! Marvel needs to be pushed to pay Byrne well and publish it. Unless Byrne truly does not want it published. I agree it would out sell the Karakoa , Red Mars or other current X junk. Also
I've seen much of the art and it's beautiful.
But if they published it with their modern ink and colors I wouldn't buy it.
They need to. John Byrne on X-Men again is money in the bank. Trade paperback(s) are warranted.
My Ratings for each issue of John Byrne's X-Men Elsewhen:
#1. "IN THE JUNGLE, THE DEADLY JUNGLE" (3.5/5)
#2. "PROTOTYPE" (3.5/5)
#3. "FATHER AND SON" (3.5/5)
#4. "WIDEAWAKE" (4/5)
#5. "AND CALL HIS NAME MAGNETO" (3.5/5)
#6. "ISLAND IN THE SKY" (3.5/5)
#7. "HOME IS WHERE THE HURT IS" (4/5)
#8. "IN THE DARK SUBURBIA" (4.5/5)
#9. "REUNION" (4.5/5)
#10. "CONVERGEANCE" (4.5/5)
#11. "FROM THE STARS HE COME" (4/5)
#12. "STOLEN SOULS" (3.5/5)
#13. "THE FIRE THAT'S CLOSET KEPT" (4/5)
#14. "ASHES" (3.5/5)
#15. "JEAN" (3.5/5)
#16. "HEARTS OF STONE" (3.5/5)
#17. "A DISH BEST SCRED COLD" (4/5)
#18. "BROKEN MIRROR" (4.5/5)
#19. "NOTHING SIMILAR IS THE SAME" (4.5/5)
#20. "DREAFUL SYMMETRY" (4.5/5)
#21. "PARALLEL LIVES MEETS AT INFINITY" (5/5)
#22. "WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE!" (5/5)
#23. "VANISHING POINTS" (4.5/5)
#24. "MIRROR/RORRIM" (5/5)
#25. "THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME..." (4/5)
#26. "WHERE MONSTERS DWELL" (4/5)
#27. "WHAT PRICE YESTERDAY? PART I" (4/5)
#28. "WHAT PRICE YESTERDAY? PART II" (4.5/5)
#29. "WHAT PRICE YESTERDAY? PART III" (4.5/5)
#30. "CHILD OF LIGHT AND DARKNESS" (4/5)
#31. "FRIENDS AND ENEMIES" (3.5/5)
#32. "TWICE UPON A TIME" ( 3.5/5)
#33. "FAIRY TALES CAN COME TRUE.. "
Man, give me Byrne on X-Men anytime and anyway , his X-MEN is better than this "Island shit "we have now
I realize that John Byrne's Elsewhen is out there, but I would love to be able to buy physical copies that are inked and colored.
The primary goal of Marvel Comics is to make money. And if Marvel Comics makes lots of money, then Disney will be happier for it. The days of ignoring very profitable business opportunities at Marvel Comics has to end. New leadership needs to be put in place that knows how the publishing business works, and isn't hampered by ego. C.B. Cebulsky said a lot of stuff when he started as EIC, but that's all proven to be bulls**t. We know that Cebulsky plays dirty politics, and seems to have grudges against many of the creators who made Marvel Comics great.
(Added) To C.B. Cebusky: Prove me wrong by ponying up the money for John Byrne's Elsewhen, while also not trying to completely f**k it up.
According to Byrne he was in talks with CB about publishing Elsewhen but it fell through. After that Byrne decided to publish it himself for free. Not sure if Marvel wanna publish it now when it's available for free and also where the story goes. Byrne wrote himself into a corner and didn't know where to take the story(could've used an editor before it was to late).
@@johanandersson8646 Elsewhen isn't inked, colored, or released as widely available floppies and trades. If Marvel Comics released an inked and colored version of Elsewhen, I would buy it.
@Michael Koo I would buy it to but I'm not actually sure I would appreciate it more than his pencil work(but I do understand most people want it inked and colored)
@@johanandersson8646 I agree that John Byrne's pencils and tech drawing is beautiful to look at. I want a physical copy to hold that's printed on decent paper stock.
@Michael Koo Me to but I've only seen really expensive ones that almost makes you wanna make it yourself
Thank you Comic by Perch❤
Byrne did 43 issues of Uncanny X-Men as opposed to 27 for She-Hulk.
Imagine if John byrne were to come back now that the krakoa era is over. You already have 5yrs worth completed...we could even get the last galactus story 🙏
My plan once my new printer comes in is to ink the entire lot.
Perch, once again you have lurched into the truth! John Byrne is a legend and should be treated as such. I'd buy this or other Marvel series by Mr. Byrne in a second.
NEVER heard of Byrne's Elsewhen. will go check it out.
Great thing to learn about after work going to read it after dinner ⛄️
At what point do these elsewhen stories take place? I'm assuming right after his time on uncanny ended.
Almost! This is a continuation of Phoenix: the untold story(1983) where Jean Grey survives the Dark Phoenix saga but is instead depowered. So Byrne's last stories are not part of this(including Jean's funeral of course). So around 1980..
Yep, I didn't know about Elsewhen. Thanks for the tip! A long time ago, I was a regular at Byrne Robotics, but I got tired of his crankiness and his bootlicking regulars. It was like an Ayn Rand fan party.
I personally haven’t bought an X-Men comic in over 25 years. This I would buy, and I would pay high dollars for it. This is absolutely a no-brainer, marvel is foolish not to take a vantage of this. But knowing marble they won’t. It’s too bad. Getting ready to go look for it as we speak.
Inked, colored and bound as trade paperbacks, I'd buy them (which is more than I can say about any of the current X-Men).
I've heard Perch say often it's a shame legendary artists aren't getting work despite some of them wanting to work. While I agree I wonder if that sentiment only applies to work for the Big Two. If a smaller indie guy, like myself, were to reach out to these artists how likely would it be that I would just get ignored or told to go ---- myself, even if I were able to meet their financial demands?
Alan Davis is retiring after that Avengers thing he's doing with Paul Levitz
See I never read the X-Men until I was 17. I missed the dark Phoenix saga. The drug store didn't get that one. My first John Byrne was during the Fantastic Four run, and She-Hulk. met hi twice. He was a jerk both times. Once to me once to a kid. Still a legend. Got me to read Superman 😊
Any price.. of course I'd buy 💯
Based on Marvel's current sales numbers of classic creators I don't think Byrne's X-Men would be the slam dunk you think it would be. That's not to say any of it is bad, just that Byrne's name doesn't have the cache it once had. The X-Men Legends sales numbers seem to suggest there isn't as much desire for these creators as we would hope.
Disagree bub
In response to this, is more the fact that the issue format for many is outdated, and we wait for the collected edition. thats what i did for peter davis's maestro saga recently, and also for Legends.
It'd make more sense to bring in Byrne and Claremont to that upcoming Days of Future Past prequel, but that's been farmed out to someone else.
But that's ripe for a Peter David of Maestro type of revisit, sure.
@@unodestosdiaz2998 Which would be great if the trades moved the needle past their initial release week. It's largely academic as Marvel isn't going to publish Elsewhen but I suspect that the series wouldn't last past a dozen or so issues. I'm also basing my opinion on the abysmal reception to Byrne's The Hidden Years.
I ran across Byrne’s Elsewhen around 3 years ago and thought it was great. I wondered at that time why Marvel didn’t pick it up and my local comic shop guy basically said the same thing back then. It all comes down to ego and not the giant planet sized head.
So we know why Byrne is blacklisted by DC and Marvel but why do even the indies refuse to work with him?
They throw money at Rob Liefeld for an unimaginative cover but Byrne gets ignored.
Did Byrne piss off the entire industry?
The last corporate work Byrne did was at IDW, he did a bunch of Star Trek books there, I got a bunch of his Star Trek photo-collage books which were excellent but I think sales eventually tailed off.
I just think Byrne is done with editors and "the business" plus indy companies probably just couldn't afford him, he can get like 4k per page for a commission, what company can give him a page rate even a sizeable fraction of that?
No,just certain important ones at Marvel and DC. LOL.
MARVEL: Do this. I will give money.
I think having any of the aforementioned Legends do a book a month they would outsell the current Marvel books and put many of the new creators to shame. Marvels editorial staff are too fragile to accept such a challenge. It would also signal to Disney hire ups that the new crop of creators aren’t that good at what they do. I say, let the bloodletting begin and start firing a ton of people and replace them with many of the older creators. I’ve been disappointed with Marvel story telling for quite a while now, I just hope the people in upper management in Disney do the right thing and get Marvel back to basics.
Marvel would make a fortune from this. Give John the control of inker, colorist, editor and mad royalties And stay out of the way. It would be the biggest hit in decades
Mark Millar keeps pulling in the newer talent lately, but why couldn't he try going to veterans like Byrne, Smith, Silvestri, etc. and get them to do a series with him, show the Big Two how it's done? Imagine the sales!
Bingo! Nail on the head. I sold all my X-Men after #200 because the characters seemed to lose their personalities. And events suck. I think you are also correct about squealing Marvel. If they published Elsewhen, and it sold really well, they would look a bit funny considering the barely coherent shlock they put out currently. I wouldn't be surprised if da' rodent sells them off in the next 8 years.
When the jets signed Tim Tebow to be their third string QB and the team immediately went into the toilet under the first stringer, the head coach refused to play Tebow in those meaningless late season games when they were already out of the playoff running… because if Tebow had won then the coach would look like an idiot for not playing him earlier.
Marvel has burned a lot of its creators. John Byrne is just one among many. Hopefully, they get their act together and put some of their legends back in the spotlight.
So... Disney waiting to sue the estate for control, then publish?
Will RUclips ever remove Perch?
He’s a great Canadian artist.
It appears that John Byrne has somehow stolen the real 616 and that Marvel has failed to cover up the theft ever since.
Also, maybe crowdfund licensing the X-Men for Byrne if Disney adopts that model.
No.
Hey, Marvel. I buy almost no new books from you. I hate giving you money. I'd buy this. There's no way I couldn't buy it.
I'll say it: I don't like Byrne coming up with an origin for Wolverine where Barry Windsor Smith's Weapon X already exists. To the extent he had this origin in mind before Weapon X was published, it doesn't matter. Weapon X made it to print first when Byrne had been off the book for years.
I'm less fond of the Jenkins/Kubert origin book, but it's grown on me in recent years.
Could be that controversial thing he said about Jessica Alba and Hispanic women. Quick Google search could find it I'm sure. That can't help the chances of it getting published. I guarantee the comics news sites would jump on that immediately.