PlayStation 5 Pro VS PS5 in Demanding AAA Games - Theoretical Benchmark with Equivalent PC

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  • Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2024
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  • @TerraWare
    @TerraWare  Месяц назад +4

    This video was driven by my own curiosity as a gaming hardware enthusiast. I figured it could make for an interesting video. Let me know your thoughts below. My equivalent build and setup is theoretical based of what we know and there's still a bit we don't know but I think it provides an interesting insight on what could be possible perhaps. I did capture 3 more games that I left on the cutting room floor mainly because this video got too long. If there's interest in this video maybe I can make a part two. Let me know and thanks for watching. I appreciate it. CHEERS!

  • @bzrt554
    @bzrt554 Месяц назад +13

    Production Quality of this video is very high. I really hope your channel kicks off like Daniel Owen's did at one point.

  • @PCFixerIndia
    @PCFixerIndia Месяц назад +4

    Dam bro. That was a very fine video.
    Amazing reasearch and testing.
    Hope you grow more soon

  • @XDDX_NZ
    @XDDX_NZ Месяц назад +3

    Great idea for a video, I'm sure DF are going to make a similar video if they haven't already, since the CPU is the closest component we have to the PS5 pro. The optimizations post launch in games like dragons dogma are nice to see. I like the 'surprise game' pick too, fueling the console war lol.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад +1

      Lol the surprise may fuel a bit of controversy but oh well. I make videos on stuff I'm curious about haha

  • @bfhandsomeface409
    @bfhandsomeface409 Месяц назад +1

    Looks like the PRO will hit 60fps in most games, which is what I have been saying all along! They will probably be optimized a little better and they may have to lower a few setting, but they will get very close. These games are hard to run on the average PC hardware at 4k 60 as well tbf.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      In GPU bound scenarios it should provide an uplift in FPS absolutely.

  • @deyandimitrov7287
    @deyandimitrov7287 Месяц назад +1

    You put some work on that video! Great stuff! My 2 cents on the topic: 2 to 3 times the RT capabilities might mean from 10 fps to 20-30 fps. Because the base PS5 is not an RT monster, lol. It also raises the question on what RT settings is the PS5 Pro gonna run, RT Low, RT Medium? We still don't know.
    P.S: Great to see another 6800XT video yet again!

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад +1

      The RT claims of the pro are wrapped in a lot of marketing slang that makes it difficult to interpret how it translates to actual performance. You'd think its 2 to 3 times performance but they say 2 to 3 times calculation of the rays, and a new AMD design not out in current GPU's.
      For example I'll try to sell you the 6800XT over the PS5.
      The 6800XT is a huge improvement over the PS5, with 200% the amount of RDNA 2 GPU compute units of the PS5. DOUBLE the amount of Ray Accelerators for ray tracing. We also increased the core frequency by 20% and added Infinity Cache to increase the memory bandwidth for a GPU thats DOUBLE the size.
      Most would think ok the 6800XT is twice as fast as the PS5, it has 2 times the RT power and more from the increased frequency and Infinity Cache, when it really isn't like that in reality lol.
      For me its too vague to make out what it means so time will tell but I am very curious to see it.

    • @deyandimitrov7287
      @deyandimitrov7287 Месяц назад

      @@TerraWare We will see when it comes out, I am pretty curious as well.

  • @constantinesoldatos
    @constantinesoldatos Месяц назад +2

    HOW DARE you defile the 6800xt 😰😰😰
    Dude I think this is easily one of my favorite vids, seriously great work.
    Personally I think the PS5 Pro will have zero issues running current games specially when they tend to be better optimized for consoles. I am however worried about the CPU down the line, the PS6 will probably be out around 2028 and this little guy is already barely holding on in some cases. Would have been a safer bet if they upgraded it to a 5600x equivalent imo. Gpu should be ok... ish. It will really come down to developers, Saber proved we can have both next gen visuals with phenomenal performance (even though it's cpu heavy) while having a ton going on onscreen but not everyone has a Swarm engine equivalent.
    I think this can go either way for the Pro assuming of course the data we have so far is legit and not fluffed up for marketing because I was worried they chose to showcase an older title (TLOU2) when they could have easily used a current gen one. But we'll see.
    Also I would love to see Starfield coming for Ps5 users but I'm not sure Microsoft would be happy to have their exclusive running and looking much better on their competitors side. This kind of competition only hurts consumers and consumers keep feeding it with their stupid console wars. Seriously people they're just different branded boxes that do the same thing.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад +1

      The CPU in the Pro is definitely a weak link. The first parties will utilize all the nuts and bolds. Like its been with the PS5 will be the best case scenario but third parties aren't really going to bother. Maybe some close collaborations could, like Stellar Blade for example but than you have other examples like FF16 or even FF7 Rebirth to some degree that feel like ports more or less.

    • @constantinesoldatos
      @constantinesoldatos Месяц назад

      @@TerraWare Time will tell I guess.. Will probably work great for the first couple years down the line.

  • @stangamer1151
    @stangamer1151 Месяц назад +2

    Consoles performance is really hard to undestand sometimes. DF compared PS5 and Series X in Space Marine 2 and in (presumably) CPU limited scenario Series X was 20% faster! Despite the fact that both of these consoles use exactly the same CPU. How could this be? No idea. Looks like X received some specific software optimiziations, which helps it to provide higher framerates in CPU limited scenarios. X memory bandwidth is a bit higher though, but still 20% is way too much.
    We should also take into account the fact that on PC some games include Denuvo, thus PC versions of certain games (DD2 in particular) are probably running worse than console versions (CPU-wise).
    Anyway, I think you did a great job here. Underclocked 6800 XT is most probably reflects PS5 Pro performance pretty accurately. In terms of RT (taking into account the Pro is probably using RDNA 4 RT accelerators) it should be similar to stock 7800 XT, so 30-40% faster than underclocked 6800 XT.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад +1

      Exactly, I said the same thing in the Space Marine 2 part about the Series X running noticeably better while having same CPU, leading me to wonder if it maybe could be due to the PS5's smaller GPU. You're right though consoles use custom variants of similar API's and PS uses their own. It's kind of what makes this stuff interesting from an enthusiasts perspective.

  • @puffyips
    @puffyips Месяц назад +1

    Good video I’m glad this was made out of genuine curiosity as someone who is also pretty into pc gaming hardware so I’ve always had that same fascination with Sony integration/optimization

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад +1

      Exactly. It's just out of curiosity.

  • @azroadie
    @azroadie Месяц назад +1

    Sony lost $400million on Concord so they raised the price of the pro by 200.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      I don't know if its by that much but definitely $100 Concord tax. 4 million sales they make that $400,000,000 back lol

  • @valonfazlija889
    @valonfazlija889 Месяц назад +2

    Great video🎉 and yes part 2 pls

  • @itsatrap4986
    @itsatrap4986 27 дней назад

    Total: $698.87 Better CPU + OC CPU/GPU for more performance & the 7800XT was $430.
    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor ($60.00)
    CPU Cooler: ID-COOLING SE-903-XT 45.8 CFM CPU Cooler ($14.99 @ Amazon)
    Motherboard: MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon)
    Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($27.97 @ Amazon)
    Storage: Silicon Power UD90 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($55.97 @ Amazon)
    Video Card: PowerColor Fighter OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB Video Card ($350.00)
    Case: SAMA IM01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($57.96 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: EVGA 650BP 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($41.99 @ Best Buy)

  • @rakhoo5236
    @rakhoo5236 Месяц назад +2

    Great video idea, though it would be cool to see rtx 4070 with r7 5700x because I think it will give much closer results, pssr has better upscaling than fsr and raytracing will be closer to rtx 4070 imo.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      My CPU is ahead of what will be in the pro, 5700X would be quite a bit faster than that but in regards to the GPU and ray tracing capabilities we still don't know how 2 to 3 faster calculation of the rays translates in performance. I'm not sure it will be up to par with the 4070 but I did do a similar video to this one using an RTX 3080Ti which is a 4070 Super equivalent looking at Cyberpunk. ruclips.net/video/nh4vQPbBdE8/видео.html

    • @rakhoo5236
      @rakhoo5236 Месяц назад +1

      @@TerraWare hells yeah, I’ll check it out

  • @joelschwartz4679
    @joelschwartz4679 Месяц назад

    the base ps5 was running a internal resolution of 1080p when running space marine two along with the series x running that as well.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      We was able to do 1440P and later 4K with dynamic res.

  • @dotnetapp
    @dotnetapp Месяц назад +1

    dunno if the 6800xt is really the closest one.
    The Ps5 Pro has new technology from amd in it especially with the raytracing which will launch with the new amd gpu´s so an nvidia chip which are better at raytracing the comparison would be better more or less a rtx 4070.
    Also the CPU bottleneck is not the same on ps5 pro compared to a pc sure it is still x86 and u use the real equivalent to it but the ps5 in general has not the same rendering engine like a pc which is much less dependent on the cpu.
    But still a great video and a much better comparison than most influencer do, got a like from me and i look into other videos of you now :).

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад +1

      Thank you. I specifically stayed away from RT heavy games, although the 6800XT isn't bad in it. It's got double the amount of compute units of the PS5 with double the ray accelerators.

    • @dotnetapp
      @dotnetapp Месяц назад

      @@TerraWare yea i know, still the problem with the cpu which is not directly comparable (because of how the rendering engine utilize it) but thats not your fault, maybe a 5060 could come closer for comparison, but im also not sure at that point ...
      But you got a new subscriber with me :)

  • @mikerochburns4104
    @mikerochburns4104 Месяц назад

    That meme about skipping leg day... that's the PS5 Pro's CPU.

  • @dougquaid570
    @dougquaid570 Месяц назад +1

    Check the guns on the cat!!!

  • @Eliilizz108
    @Eliilizz108 Месяц назад +1

    These game will be locked 60 fps on the pro it will utilize pssr.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      Not if it's a CPU bound scenario like in Dragon's Dogma 2 for example.

  • @Gustaviustwinkelberry
    @Gustaviustwinkelberry Месяц назад +1

    BenchmarKing is the goat💪💪💪

  • @D71Gaming
    @D71Gaming Месяц назад +2

    I said it before and ill say it again, PS5 Pro GPU and CPU combo will be a bottleneck.

    • @puffyips
      @puffyips Месяц назад

      Yeah it’s already obvious that in cpu heavy games it won’t hold 60fps

    • @D71Gaming
      @D71Gaming Месяц назад

      @@puffyips Also any games using more than one ray tracing feature which also uses CPU. Sony made the same mistake a PC rookie will make when upgrading GPU.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад +1

      Sam CPU with how heavy latest AAA games have been is kind of concerning. If they'd jumped to Zen 3 it would've been a very nice upgrade.

    • @D71Gaming
      @D71Gaming Месяц назад

      @@TerraWare Agreed. An easy jump from 3700x to 5700x specs and tech would had been a decent upgrade.

    • @skimandla
      @skimandla Месяц назад

      Only a handful of games are CPU heavy

  • @reelroyalevizion800
    @reelroyalevizion800 Месяц назад +1

    Can’t replicate PSSR or the custom RT tech, the unknowns are so major to the conversation and seem to be getting ignored and not factored in.

  • @k1cs1m3a8
    @k1cs1m3a8 Месяц назад

    We just need to wait and see. However we still need to wait until they develop a game on it lol. For now we only getting patches to improve the old ones a bit. For example the f1 team put crazy ray tracing into the game which inly on pc available so it could have strong rt features but we need to see. Also pssr is a massive game changer!

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      You're only going to get patches to existing games though. They arent going to make games that just focuses on the Pro.

    • @k1cs1m3a8
      @k1cs1m3a8 Месяц назад

      @@TerraWare for now. With new games all will be designed to ps5 and ps5 pro hardware to make sure they show what they can do with it.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      @@k1cs1m3a8 The primary focus is still going to be PS5 and than they'll offer a PS5 Pro enhanced version. Think of it as a GPU upgrade, it's what it is.

    • @k1cs1m3a8
      @k1cs1m3a8 Месяц назад

      @@TerraWare yeah, thats more than enough if they use it properly. Pssr already a massive upgrade. Looks like better than fsr 3.1 and xess already. If they can keep high l cel of details with 60fps and some basic ray tracing thats already a win. What they did in gran turismo 7 and f1 and hogwarts legscy looking good already. I have a 4080s in my pc but honestly even there u need dlss and frame generator in every game if h want to play 4k.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      @k1cs1m3a8 I dont know about XeSS but it does look quite a bit better than FSR at those lower resolution targets. The hands on video from DF showed some really bad ghosting though in F1 I think it was. How it does in motion will be the most important.

  • @HankBaxter
    @HankBaxter Месяц назад

    About the fact that yours doesn't drop quite like the PS5, 6:40 what ram are you using? Could that be a limiting factor on the console?

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      It shouldn't be. Consoles use GDDR6 memory which is way faster than DDR4

    • @HankBaxter
      @HankBaxter Месяц назад

      @@TerraWare ah, right. Good to know.

  • @adrianomart
    @adrianomart Месяц назад +1

    at least with space marine 2, it notoriously performs worse on rdna2 hardware, runs significantly better on rdna3, be it small improvements on rdna3 (there were in fact some) or lack of optimization in the game or drivers, wouldn't make a lot of difference most of the time since you are cpu bottlenecked but a rx 7800 xt downclocked would've been more representative of the ps5 pro gpu profile.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад +1

      Still dont know exactly what is in the Pro though and if it is RDNA 3. Keep hearing it could be something akin to RDNA 2.5. I don't know but am intrigued to see Fritzchen Fritz expose the silicon with some high res shots in due time so we can see whats in it.

    • @adrianomart
      @adrianomart Месяц назад

      @@TerraWare given possible wattage constraints i would be inclined to believe its pretty much a rx 7800m or at least custom chip resembling more rdna3 than 2, for the additional reasons as well like improved gpu compute and encoding/decoding, thinking about it, it will be neat seeing av1 encoding to fix the terrible ps remote streaming quality.

  • @PhotoJohn80
    @PhotoJohn80 Месяц назад

    I wish capcom could fix the random stutter in dragons dogma 2 while in combat. It’s so random and it is way more frustrating than drops in the city. I don’t care about city performance but random stutters in combat pisses me off

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      What CPU do you have? Ryzen 3000?

    • @PhotoJohn80
      @PhotoJohn80 Месяц назад

      @@TerraWare 7800x3d. I get random stutters in the open world at times. It’ll be smooth for like 30 minutes and then have like two or four hard hitches and then be smooth for another 20 or so minutes. Sometimes it happens in combat. Sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t like it and I don’t know why. My other games perform fine. So I’m lost if it’s me or just the game.

    • @PhotoJohn80
      @PhotoJohn80 Месяц назад

      @@TerraWare do you notice the same thing or could something be wrong with my system?

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      @@PhotoJohn80 No I don't think I did. Check out this video I made looking at the latest patch on my 7800X 3D/4090 I do take a look at the open world and Vernworth. You should be seeing similar performance ruclips.net/video/JdhjUCvdrQg/видео.html

  • @ashkanten
    @ashkanten Месяц назад +1

    very nice 👌

  • @KlR0V
    @KlR0V Месяц назад +1

    The 3700x is not equivalent, the ps5 only uses 6.5 cores for games and reserves the other 1.5 for the system and silly functions like the permanent video recording. That and the clock boost speeds are a very big deal.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад +1

      I said the 3700X should be a bit faster than the PS5 CPU but even if you were to compare the 3700X and 3600 CPU's in gaming which the 3600 is regarded as the console equivalent. They are very close in gaming. All Ryzens of the same generation perform relatively similar to one another in gaming except for the X3D variants.

    • @KlR0V
      @KlR0V Месяц назад

      @@TerraWare that "bit faster" could be the difference between achieving a stable 60fps or not in quite a lot of games... And the extra cores could be an even bigger difference in cpu demanding titles like the third act of BG3.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      @@KlR0V Yeah sure

    • @Gustaviustwinkelberry
      @Gustaviustwinkelberry Месяц назад

      "permenant video recording"?

    • @JackJohnson-br4qr
      @JackJohnson-br4qr Месяц назад +1

      The PS5 Pro has 10% CPU clock boost. That being said, despite the differences in core count, both the 3700X and 3600 have very similar gaming performance. Techpowerup's review shows that the 3700X is 4.4% faster. But that was only in 720p and with old games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider or Battlefield V that can reach 100-150 FPS. At 1440p the difference is only 0.5%. And in the latest games like UE5 titles, the difference would be non-existent even at 720p.

  • @Salty.Peasants
    @Salty.Peasants Месяц назад

    Should have benched Witcher 3, CyberPunk 2077 and Baldur's Gate 3.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      I did an entire video on Cyberpunk that was similarly themed to this here ruclips.net/video/nh4vQPbBdE8/видео.html

    • @Salty.Peasants
      @Salty.Peasants Месяц назад

      @TerraWare Thanks, but in that video you use a different GPU (3080ti), which is significantly more powerful than the GPU in the PS5 Pro. It's not an apples to apples comparison like this benchmark you did for this vid.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      @@Salty.Peasants Yes I believe the 3080Ti is more powerful. Reason why I stayed away from RT with 6800XT is because I believe the Pro will be more capable in it and 6800XT doesnt do very well with RT in CBP. Its all speculative at this point.
      My CBP video was more to show that comparing console and PC isnt apples to apples.

  • @FizzyPinepple
    @FizzyPinepple Месяц назад

    To me the biggest disappointment is that they didnt get together with AMD to introduce their 3d vcache tech to consoles.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад

      Could you imagine? Although I can understand that may be difficult to integrate into a SoC, I wish they had upgraded to 8 Zen 3 cores at least.

  • @VelcroSnake93
    @VelcroSnake93 Месяц назад +6

    I think calling Starfield 'pretty good' is high praise for the game. After playing it the best I can give it is 'aggressively mediocre'.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад +2

      To each their own. The game has flaws, it's a Bethesda game after all and I had to use an inventory mod because Bethesda's implementation is horrible but all things considered I enjoyed it, put over 120+ hours into it.

    • @CaptainCave-t3n
      @CaptainCave-t3n Месяц назад

      Starfield was horrible I couldn't get past the first few hours. Sad because I love the fallout series.

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад +1

      @@CaptainCave-t3n It's kind of a slow start but yeah I can see how someone could love Fallout and not Starfield. I think Fallout had a more relatable and grounded story.

  • @tiprince4032
    @tiprince4032 Месяц назад

    Ps5 pro rdna 3 !!!! = 33.5 Teraflops à 2.18ghz boost à 2.35 ghz 36.1 ghz = rx 7800 xt !

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare  Месяц назад +1

      Teraflops is not an accurate measurement of gaming performance across different architectures. Perfect example the RX 7700XT is 33 tflops and RX 6800 non XT is 16tflops but they perform the same in gaming.
      PS5 is 10 Tflops the PS5 Pro is 35 but is not 3 times faster its only "up to" 45% faster.

    • @tiprince4032
      @tiprince4032 Месяц назад

      @@TerraWare n'importe quoi débile 45% c'est le rendu du con ! Et no 45% fast ps5 10 Teraflops rdna2 ps5 pro 33.5 Teraflops boos à 36 Teraflops rdna 3 !! Is more to 45 % !!!

  • @wg8561
    @wg8561 Месяц назад

    Starfield will always be better on PC or Xbox even if it does come to PlayStation. Why? Mods