JD Vance Clashes With Debate Moderators Over ‘Fact Check’ | WSJ News
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- Sen. JD Vance sparred with CBS News Vice Presidential Debate moderators after they fact-checked his claims about migrants in Ohio. The moderators ultimately cut the microphones of Vance and Walz. Photo: Matt Rourke/Associated Press
I saw this as a caption and thought it was someone summarizing what he said. He actually said those exact words. Wow.
Hahaha my reaction as well 😂
Me too! I had to see video to believe 😂
That’s why I’m here. I had to verify that’s what he actually said.
With quite a lot more. His point was if they're going to do a live fact check, which was not agreed upon, then he was going to bite back. The AGREEMENT was that the fact checkers would be online and for people to view during and after, not taking up debate time. They were supposed to allow the candidates to actually rebuttal each other's claims.
JD TRIED to do that, but they "fact checked" him and cut his mic, going against the literal rules that were agreed upon.
U still think u can reason with the left, if they didnt have double standards, they wouldn't hwve any standards@@v3nom11065
I think the thing that irritates me the most is when politicians say not to trust experts but to trust themselves instead like they're the real experts. Isn't that how a cult works?
So who were the experts to be trusted in this scenario, the biased moderators who didn’t tell the whole story and had to be corrected by Vance?
@@RS-tz2znhe didn’t “correct” anything.
@@WhenToastersAttack Did the moderators?
@@MrColuber Yes
Weird, I remember in 2020 there were alot of experts that got banned off of YT and other major sites for some reason...
THE RULES SAID YOU WEREN’T GONNA FACT CHECK?!!!! 😂😂😂😂
It's like an immoral liar version of the famous "It was my understanding there would be no math..."
Because they aren’t actually “fact-checking” him. They’re asserting falsehoods and calling this fact-checking. This is exactly what happened in the debate with Trump, where nearly every “fact check” by David Muir was incorrect.
@@livmilesparanormalromanceb6891 We can't continue to have civil discourse if you believe in alternative facts. DJT was called out for lying about Haitians, and fact checked by being told that the mayor, governor, and local PD all had no evidence of his claims. Yet you still parrot them here. Please, as a fellow American, stop listening to this rhetoric. You need to understand that you are being radicalized.
@@JB-xl2jc Were you indignant in 2020 when the police shot Jacob Blake?
Now quote the rest of what he said.
The rules were you wouldn't going to fact check. LOL
Fact checking by a biased moderator shouldn’t be allowed. And by the way, he proceeds to fact check the fact checkers, proving they lied while they try to silence him, disgraceful behavior.
Not only did they break their own debate rules, but they gaslit about the legal status. The factions the Biden admin can’t waive a magic wand and give legal status Willy nilly
Temp legal status and full legal status are 2 separate things. The moderators tried to imho mislead the American ppl into thinking they are the same thing. Vance was correct in saying when you make an app that not only expedites but also gives temp status to migrants, that doesn’t make it legal.. and it also shows the Biden admin for the snakes they are on immigration
Typical Semantics from the left and their allies
The media is disgusting and they flat out lied about how they’d conduct the debate. You can’t argue that they agreed to no fact checking and then fact checked. That’s not up for argument. It happened, and we all saw it
that was pretty hilarious that they thought they could get away with breaking their word and then lying on national tv
@@mr.s2005what is hilarious is that you think that calling out provable lies is problematic
@whokilledjr3719 They shouldn't have fact checked him but regardless, what JD Vance said just reinforce their fact check so there was not a single lie
ok but fr why do they PREFER the immigration process to be 10 years long? like why do you want people seeking refuge to have to wait in limbo for a decade rather than creating a safe and efficient way to get immigrants DOCUMENTED. like isnt that the goal???
They just don't like immigrants. They say they only dislike illegal immigration yet do nothing to make legal immigration easy.
There's really two reasons why and it really depends on who you're looking at, and I feel like Trump and Vance are the two best examples of each group. With vance he's a Christian nationalist, been adamant that he's one. He doesn't want anyone coming from another country that doesn't meet his religious, or cultural expectations for what America should be. His is the far more racist reasoning. Then you have trump who does it more because he's needed a boogie man during every election, a fall guy for him to blame for the nation's problems and run on the grounds that if he is elected he will fix this issue. During 2016 it was people from the middle east, hence him wanting to ban flights coming from middle eastern countries, and migrants coming from the south. During the 2020 election it was minorities within the country that he blamed for causing damage to cities, now in 2024 it's the Haitians. Now I'm not calling him a fascist per-say, that's a personal decision for someone to determine if he is one. But I will say to blame a disenfranchised group of people and make them seem like the devil to get votes, is right out of the facist play book
You still have to come here legally!
@jamiebonkoski7448 you're right, and data shows the vast majority of the Haitians in springfield Ohio have come here legally, they aren't illegals, and yet they have still been made out to be the bad guys, and made to look like animals, even after vance admitted on air during an interview "if we have to make up stories to gather attention, then we will"
@@dashreasinger1430vance is literally married to a Hindu Indian woman
So you knew the law but called them illegal anyway. We call that a lie.
As he explained, these are people who have entered the country illegally. Just because we now live in a dystopian society where right of residence can be dished out instantly by an app, doesn't change the fact that the perpetrators entered illegally.
They came in illegally and that is a fact. Waving a wand over them and saying they are suddenly legal for no good reason doesn't change that.
@@completetruth9177no, it’s not true.
@@WhenToastersAttack Yes , it is true. This order was done by the Biden administration on June 28, 2024. Anyone can look it up and see.
@@WhenToastersAttack How is it not true? Please explain.
I actually enjoyed this debate. They were cordial to each other.
They both agreed to disagree!! And the handshakes were very good.
The only way forward is with collaboration.
I left with a positive impression of both VP candidates after this debate. Just wish this is how our presidential debates would go.
Makes me wish that both of these guys were the pres candidates instead of VP
@@WarLord645 I do have a softer spot for JD Vance after this debate and feel like he would lead the country more.
BRO I LITERALLY THOUGHT THIS WAS A MEME I DIDN'T REALISE HE ACTUALLY SAID IT 😂😂
If they intend to tell the truth during debates why should Trump and Vance have such an obvious hatred of being "fact checked"??
Because nobody is fact checking the fact checkers.
First of all the "fact checking" is WRONG, and it's only aimed at one side. You demos are so biased, it's unreal. I am an independent and it's plain as day to me.
@@kun oh please JD lied about ACA, lied about never saying he wanted an abortion ban, lied about Trump peacefully handing over power in 2020 ( which was actually laughable), lied about solar panel production, lied about economic figures, continued lies about immigrants, I could go on but please don't let him be fact checked even once . It's pathetic.
Because the most famous factchecker in History is a guy named Joseph Göbbels
Because they're leaving out important details OF SAID FACT CHECKS!!!
Did you even watch the video?!?! The "Legal Migrants" are being "made legal" by a PHONE APP!!!!
Why should they have to wait 10 years is the bigger question
Who has the ⚽️ ⚽️ to complain about being factchecked? Dude right here ☝🏾
Vance admitted to making that up last week! Why would he try and use it again?
Because they weren’t supposed to fact check him
Bc politicians are dumb but they're aware that if they spew bs ppl will just blindly follow bc on the contrary , voters don't do "fact checking" themselves 😅
Worthless CBS.
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@@henrychinaski Who are you calling Russian?
@@chuckdawituhhhh… huh?
😂💀
How dare they tell the truth.
@@chuckdawit yeah they are worthless for telling the truth.. we don’t like that
Mic Drop
Did some research and found the CBP One App was created in 2020. But that is just the creation of the app, which allows you to easily access the services needed to enter the country seeking asylum. The laws and regulations regarding seeking asylum were in place before the app. (Starting with the Refugee Act of 1980) So if you listen to what both men are saying, they are both correct. The App was created in 2020 but the laws regarding seeking asylum, that Walts was referring to, were in place long before the App. I think Vance might be spinning it into saying the immigrants only started entering the country once the app went live, but that's not the case.
No, the app made it easier for false asylum to be given credence.
@@v3nom11065 Not sure what you are saying no to. I am just stating the fact of when the app was created and what it is being used for vs. when laws regarding asylum were created. Whether or not you believe it to be "true" asylum is not the point. Just clarifying dates. I'm not saying the app is good or bad or being used correctly/incorrectly.
@@v3nom11065 is "false asylum" just asylum for people you dont like?
Trump was president then
I’m glad they cut the mics - the candidates were distracting me from what the moderators had to say.
CBP One was created October 28, 2020, look it up
So trump is to blame for jd vance spouting lies?
CBP One originally didn't cover migrants and was only expanded to cover them in January 2023. Look it up.
If they were brought here legally why was it done in the middle of the night
People here complaining about fact checking like they rather have someone lying to them. Even JD Vance admitted that he created that story about Springfield
100k illegal Haitians just with he wave of a Biden/Harris wand were now legal (protected status) WHY?
What?! lol
they complain about it because they look for anything that appears as an "unfair" advantage
@@SkateAwayTheDay I understand that moderators have to be fair but there is things that practically facts. So having someone lying just for the sake of is a waste of time. JD Vance admitted in a recent interview that he created that story about Springfield and even the republicans in Ohio have said that he was lying. Why would the moderators will allow him to continue lying.
It funny isnt it. They didn't fact check tampon timmy on his abortion laws.
Let him talk too much if anything
Yeah, you’re actually right if it won’t dissuade his cult, but maybe swinging state voters might wake up
@@californiacombativesclub202 You lefty cultists will say absolutely anything. The moderators tried their biased "fact check" and failed
YoU wErEnT sUpPoSeD tO fAcT cHeCk
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And he proceeded to fact check their fact check, proved them wrong and they cut his mic. Moderators are meant to be impartial, Shame on them and you
Why does my screen read FAT CHECK ? 🌭🍺🌭🍺🌭🍺🌭🍺🌭🤹🇺🇸
@@whokilledjr3719 no way you actually believe that. He is just yapping. He got caught on a lie and yaps about a random truth and u fall for it.
@@legendtoni1094 you’re the one who hasn’t bothered to check what he stated hence you’re the one yapping.
She clearly don’t like him
terrible moderator
Nope. When your cornerstone arguments rely on you not being challenged on your lies (just like trump), it is a terrible candidate. If anything, the moderators should be calling more of this BS out (on both sides) when it happens, though it really seems to be largely one sided because republicans depend on the lies. It is about time that the cult members actually get a glimpse of the truth.
How dare she fact check a bullshitter
@@irfanshaikh9390 pretty simple rules = moderators, don’t contradict a candidate. That is the other candidates job. Aka a debate between candidates
@@balla4real358 Contradict something Vance and Trump are being charged with criminally? Humm. you need some better morals there pal.
@@TheInsaneupsdriveroh you mean like…don’t break the rules??? Yes I totally agree. The moderator should follow the rules
MOOOOoooom she's fact-checking me again 😭😭😭😭😭
Yeah, fact checking with misleading statements.
Where did he cry for his mother? He confronted the moderator to her face. That's the opposite of crying for one's mother.
@MrColuber It's a bot, don't bother.
And she totally failed
This is wild how everyone in the comments is completely ignoring what he said.
No I think everyone is paying VERY CLOSE ATTENTION to EXACTLY what HE SAID.
He's mad about the truth and being fact checked because he lied. We know what he said
They don't care. They want to be told lies so they can vote for Trump and not feel guilty.
That's really not the "legal process" though. That's what's in place now.
"YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T GOING TO FACT CHECK! HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO LIE NOW?!"
"Our fact checks are essential! HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO LIE WITHOUT THEM?"
Step 1. Made illegal immigration... illegal.
Step 2. Create pathways for illegals to become legal throughs steps that completely ignore the problem and go against our previously built systems.
Step 3. Claim "they're not illegal" because of those changes that ultimately, only makes them "legal" because the people with power says so, disregarding all previous laws, systems, the people already here, and strains such as economy and housing.
Step 4. Claim someone lied while hiding the fact that these pathways were created solely to allow the issue to continue while also being able to call opponents liars, relying purely on voter ignorance and weaponized bias.
Have fun, folks. It's only going to get messier.
And for the "you said you wouldn't fact check" folks, that's right. They weren't going to do live fact checks, instead allowing the candidates to rebuttal and DEBATE. Here the moderators "fact checked" Vance, silenced him, then refused to allow the rebuttal that was agreed upon being allowed.
He just doesn’t know when to shut up
Margaret Brennan is the one who doesn't know when to shut up. CBS News agreed that there would be no fact checking of JD Vance or Tim Walz by the moderators. She clearly broke that agreement and her claim that the thousands of Haitians in Springfield, Ohio are legal immigrants is a lie.
He mopped the floor with Walz and the moderators
@@chrisdaniels3549He did more than mop
The Maga Cult: Terrible moderator cutting our guy from lying!!! We love our alternative facts. Lol
Horrible moderator tried to sneak that in. Good on Vance.
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Tried to sneak in a fact check that he lied? You people are shocking 😂
@@TheAbabab77 so by your logic, walz lied too? You really have no idea what’s going on do you 🤣
@TheAbabab77 did you listen to the explanation? Or do you prefer to remain ignorant?
@@Daniel-ld3zi Kamala Harris wand? Ok buddy
Like Daddy Trumdumb like CouchCushionVance!
Your post makes me sad I would try to set up a go fund me page so you can get more gray matter just a suggestion
Not sure how you can still lie after being fact-checked.. Man I wouldn't trust anything out of Vance's mouth.
yikes. this is convincing you, possibly, no one else.
he wasnt "fact" checked...they tried to distort the issue and got called out
Walz: I'm for the people.
Vance: I'm for DJT.
@@bissonlouise9061 Walz is for the non-Americas as is harris with the 20 million fake asylum seekers they let in
@@charlescharlemagne4907 Follow the facts on independent news.
The FACT that they were granted temporary legal status after entering the country illegally does not negate the FACT that they entered the country illegally to begin with.
3v1 and still lost again 😂😂😂
Even the cnn poll had him winning the debate AND they admitted they polled 5 percent more democrats lol.
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@vegasmini808toy6 he won specially when he refused to admit that trump lost the election
@@AlbertoTorres-wl9mtcry about it 😂
@@catholicmeditation1560 Im sorry the truth hurts you little guy
Vance tried to tell a full lie, got called out, and then tried to tell a half lie.
are you sure? i think vance is pointing out how the temporary legal status is being exploited in our system by illegal immigrants to skip the line.
thats kind of important for people to hear. i wouldve liked to hear more about that.
The moderators broke their own rules. No fact checking he was spot on. He said nothing wrong but the moderators want to put their two cents in.!!
The moderators saw Timmy stumbling and having a hard time and had to bust Vance down a notch
FWIW even a cnn poll had Vance winning and they admit that the polling had 5 percent more democrats on top of the fact lol. Game set match Vance crushed him
Fact checking mean lies are not allowed. Only one side is upset about not being able to lie and use misinformation to get your vote!
Considering Vance is currently being sued by the people of Springfield for spreading lies I can see why the moderators did not want to in any way be complicit in his slander.
Caught in a lie then proceeds to mansplain
😜
tell me you have a sub 70 iq without telling me
Nooooooo, you're not supposed to fact check back.
Vance is ALWAYS ready for them.
What a joke when they couldn't get him to stop talking just by talking over him they just shut off his microphone
Of course they muted him, he was arguing with the mods lol.
how do you determine who’s talking over who? genuine ask
also, did you not notice one of the moderators put their hand up in front of the other moderator who was talking at the same time as vance, as if to say “let him finish”? and then the camera that was selected for the shot was the one that was on vance and they let him continue outside of his allotted time for a pretty long while before finally cutting them BOTH off? to me that seems very very generous to vance, and completely non partisan. how do you see it another way?
@@Anvilman Because they interjected after the rules said they wouldnt. You will justify anything
what corrupt moderators
JDV was respectable until he decided to follow the Trump Kayfabe. Now he's corrupt. He was the ONLY corrupt thing about tonight. Republicans need to REFORM. We will keep losing. Bet.
I thought that they were both tag teaming up against Vance. Just the way she stumbled out of the fact check was like watching a plane crash on the tar mac. They get an A in doing badly as moderators.
Amount of air time wasted saying thank you mumbo jumbo
Lol and also what's going to be for dinner later on and who's buying 🌭🍻
Very annoying when candidates have a problem with their bad (fake) facts being checked. That’s where politics has gotten to. We have to penalize candidates when they continually lie by not voting for them.
Very annoying when moderators claim falsehoods and refuse to allow a candidate to clarify their positions with facts.
The moderators aren’t there to fact check a live debate. They have no sources in front of them to properly do so and are extremely biased
How do we know what the moderators are claiming as a fact is accurate? Are you claiming CBS isn't biased towards a political party? Then when one of the debaters tries to push back on the "fact check" they cut his mic off...
@@justbeccapeacheythere are plain facts that exist in common knowledge. If Vance said the sky is pink and it’s 1999, the moderators should correct him and say the sky is actually blue and it’s 2024. There should be no appeasing the least common denominator.
@@BloxfilmPacks2 but that would leave you out bud
If someone like Tucker Carlson ''fact checked'' the next debate, you wouldn't think it's annoying. Well, I think we would all be annoyed by his laugh. I'm sure he would laugh after every fact check.
Whoa. I planned my entire debate around lying you can't do this to me.
Fact check, no he didn't and now you're not allowed to reply
@@crazandofact check. Yes he did
@@crazandoanyone demanding you don't fact check them is planning to lie. Only a fool or the willfully blind wouldn't see it
@@gregg.617 I love how he quoted the loop hole, and pretty much out researched the hosts.
the programmed left wing propagandists always plan to run debates to include their lies
No fact checking meeeeee 😂🎉😂🎉😂😂😂❤😂
It funny isnt it. They didn't fact check tampon timmy on his abortion laws.
if this was happening to Tim you would be upset about it. Take a seat
@@thewowwall197 tim isn't the one spreading disinformation dumdum
@@thewowwall197they should fact check every politician
Take a seat
@@mossthebryophyter there was no disinformation, the moderator broke the rules and had no clue what they were talking about
FACT CHECK: Actually Margaret we heard Vance speak still after you cut his mic. Also you got owned Margaret.
Got owned by saying the people who were here illegally are in fact here LEGALLY? 😂 don’t think the moderator who was got owned
@@bobbys2643Horrible interpretation and take + Ratio
@@bobbys2643 Legal thanks to Harris policies that are creating the inflation that we are at right now.
Lol, was thinking the same.
Please Sit down Margaret.
Lol a lot of idiots here… Vance basically admitted that those people are here legally and that he was lying
Good for Vance… called out the fact checking!
Haha. That is irony right? 🤣
Ah yes because we need to make it harder for people to obtain legal status. The real difference between an illegal and legal immigrant simply comes down to some paper work
What, you would rather the moderator let Vance get away with telling lies?! I really don't understand you Trump people.
@@jeff5048it wasn’t a lie. They are technically illegal still. The app doesn’t even verify who you are. This is all an act to get illegals to vote.
@jeff5048 That's not the point. They ought to fact check each other. Debate needs to be between candidates NOT between candidates and activist journalists
Shame on you CBS!!!
Tampon Tim got Vanced
Please ... never switch sides. :)
Interesting that they didn’t defend themselves from Vance s accusation. He caught them teems handed
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"They're legally here under laws I don't like, so therefore they're here illegally."
What is there to say after hearing something so dumb?
His accusation that they were correcting his misinformation? Why would they defend that it's a good thing. Yall pushing for misinformation to be spread are so weird and sad 🥴
@@heyheyhey33351They came here illegally. Our current administration just made it easier for them to stay here without getting deported. That's the point that you're not smart enough to understand.
@@heyheyhey33351the Executive Branch is abusing the asylum process which is what Vance is getting at.
How is that so blatantly allowed?
What? Lying or fact checking?
@@BSdetectedthe "fact checks" being lies.
@@Thatoneguyinurwalls ah….. so Kamala really does have a magic migrant wand to wave , yelling “immigratio!”… thought that might be it.
@@BSdetected both! Kamala lies about everything and don't get fact checked, and Trump gets fact checked. Now it's the same thing with the VPs. Fact check Vance but not walz
@@ThatoneguyinurwallsWait but didn't vance just agree with the fact check? Did we watch the same video. He just said that they were granted legal status via the CBP One application.
ooooo bots are out in force tonite in the comments here!!! funny how they think they can damage control for Vance lol
I find it fascinating that you cannot see the clear bias these moderators have. It frustrates me, but I still appreciate your perspective.
Bots? You mean democrats?
@@DarkMeatNPC Most sane people are biased against people lying straight to their face.
Back in my day you didn’t know
which side the moderators of debates were on
They’re on the side of accurate information. Unfortunate that that aligns with only one party now.
"Wahhh!" Don't tell blatant lies if you don't want to be fact checked.
He didn’t lie, what are you talking about?
He had to explain like they were 5 because they don’t get it
Have good moderators that don't lie?
@@MarkyCannoli He said that they weren't legal and they were in fact legal. He described the process by which they became legal while simultaneously describing them as non-legal lol. I don't get why you don't see how that makes him wrong.
As an aside, "Wahhhh I was told there would be no fact checking" is right up there with "Uh... it was my understanding that there would be no math..."
@@JB-xl2jc this is a really really bad cope and you know it. The "fact check" was completely misleading, and Vance was a masterclass. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Cope better.
I love how he points out to the moderators that they broke the rules of no fact-checking by them, and then continues to put them in their place by showing the inaccuracy of their fact-checking. Brilliant. And they didn’t fact check again the rest of the debate because of it. Well played, JD. I didn’t have a positive view of him prior to this debate but he won me over.
What's a Kamala Harris open border wand? As there is no such thing as an open border, and she was never in charge of the border or immigration. The policy he is speaking about has been in place for decades.
Watch his movie Hillbilly Elergy. He will really win u over. Good man
But he lied.
Is this your ideal of leadership. Look I believe Santa is real. Fact checks him. But your not allowed to tell me I'm wrong.
Image this but with possible ww3 consequences. I'm sure it was Iran who did it. Fact checked saying it wasn't. How dare you suggest I'm wrong.
So vance got caught lying. Then complained about it when they corrected him.
Vance then repeated the lie so its.... fact checking the fact you lied?
@@jasonjordan8149 no he was correcting them they r not here legally the Haitians have a Temporary visa on Their country status. He was trying to make that point & try didn’t want him to the usual Vance debating 3 ppl Dems can’t win without help from the media they get the questions ahead of the debate & the monitors help them steering all questions to be more democratic questions & saving the democratic candidates. That’s the facts! He wasn’t lying he has nothing to lie about Walz lied about His China trip & witnessing the arrest. He’s always lying quoting god when he has said he’s an atheist she flip flops like a fish out of water what a choice.
Those moderators can pack sand!
First ones to actually turn the mics off!!!❤
Moderators were fact checked😂😂😂
left one emoji for every brain cell you have operating inside your thick skill
What JD said only proved that their fact check was correct...
Too bad the fact was wrong 😂
@@simplsquam”Legal” status via the Executive Branch through the abuse of the Asylum process. The moderator was trying to get low information viewers to think the Springfield migrants went through the whole naturalization process which isn’t correct. I don’t see what’s so bad about Vance adding extra context to their “fact” check.
@@Alden141no, the moderators showed that they are here legally. No one at all argued that they went through your preferred method of immigration.
Predator isn’t or and can not be protector , if you are shamelessly Lying to yourself no doubt that you are shamelessly Lying to others 💙
Jd Vance fact check the fact checkers. Notice how they didn't dare mess with him after that.
He didn’t fact check anything. He simply wined about not liking a law
Dude, everyone knows. The mods are done😅
Oh and they didn't fact check either because it was fiction not fact.
Of course it didn't get past JD Vance he had one eye open for it probably.
@@user-go9kg8vz3e nah he reaffirmed that what he said was a lie by explaining how the haitian migrants legally applied for citizenship
Good job Vance!
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Disgusting, the moderators state a misleading fact and refuse to be fact checked.
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Facts First: Vance’s statement, referencing the Ohio town subject to a firestorm of misinformation about Haitian migrants this summer, is misleading.
We don’t know the immigration status of each and every immigrant in Springfield, but hundreds of thousands of Haitians have official permission to live and work legally in the US. The Springfield city website says, “YES, Haitian immigrants are here legally, under the Immigration Parole Program. Once here, immigrants are then eligible to apply for Temporary Protected Status (TPS).” Republican Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine wrote in a New York Times op-ed about Springfield in September that the Haitian immigrants “are there legally” and that, as a Trump-Vance supporter, he is “saddened” by the candidates’ disparagement of “the legal migrants living in Springfield.”
Many Haitians came into the country under a Biden-Harris administration parole program that gives permission to enter the US to vetted participants with US sponsors. And many have “temporary protected status,” which shields Haitians in the US from deportation and allows them to live and work here for a limited period of time. Some received that protection after the Biden-Harris administration expanded the number of Haitians eligible in June. Others have been living in the US with temporary protected status since before the Biden-Harris administration.
"There are a large number of Haitian migrants in Springfield, Ohio that are legally here under temporary protective status."
"No, they're illegal because I don't like the law!"
What a dumb response.
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@@henrychinaskiHe's a Russian bot? I'm pretty sure Trump is the one that Putin supports not the Democrats. Trump even brags about having a close relationship with Putin.
“We have so much we want to get to”. True meaning: We only want to hear what WE want to hear. 🙄. True journalism is dead.
Haha Vance fact checked a fact check, awesome 👏🏻
More like he threw a tantrum at being fact checked, and rather than being prudent and not escalating the issue he doubled down and threw another demonstrable lie at it.
Incorrect, he gave more context to his original lie. Why not start with the truth?
I guess throwing a tantrum is "fact checking."
You MAGA cultists are beyond help.
Fight! Fight! Fight!
HARRIS/WALZ 2024!
Let have a debate on FOX News
Enough of these Snowflakes ❄️
The entertainment network that was successfully sued for lying about the last election? Wow, you're REALLY desperate to be lied to.
Communist Broadcast Syndicate
oh noes he's not allowed to mislead people the horror!!
Get educated, mate.
Nothing “communist” about it: Tell lies, don’t get angry when you get called liar.
@@jt25JTWhat Vance said was the truth.
You can’t even define communism besides using it as a dumb talking point
I could hear him
D, ,
Love him or hate him, that was a baller move by Vance.
It was a loser move because he lied then tried to be a bully, so they cut his mic
@@davidmitchell7005 Unlike that clown Walz, JD Vance had the facts on his side and was cool under fire. He got his point across.
@@jamescollinson2456 he got fact checked because he was wrong dude
@@ritzcrakers Step 1. Made illegal immigration... illegal.
Step 2. Create pathways for illegals to become legal throughs steps that completely ignore the problem and go against our previously built systems.
Step 3. Claim "they're not illegal" because of those changes that ultimately, only makes them "legal" because the people with power says so, disregarding all previous laws, systems, the people already here, and strains such as economy and housing.
Step 4. Claim someone lied while hiding the fact that these pathways were created solely to allow the issue to continue while also being able to call opponents liars, relying purely on voter ignorance and weaponized bias.
@@jamescollinson2456 seems pretty easy to be “cool under pressure” when you’re a pathological liar so you feel no pressure to tell the truth. Also, he absolutely didn’t have the facts on his side, he doesn’t even know who he is or what he believes
But... but.... you werent supposed to fact check my lies. Waaaaaaaa
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It’s waltz’s Job to fact check Vance, not the moderators’. If it was such a blatant lie Waltz should have no trouble disproving it…
And he fact checked their “fact check”, proved them wrong and they cut his mic. You have seriously poor comprehension skills.
What part of what he said was a lie?
Imagine complaining because you didn’t get to have another 3 on 1 and cheat again. lol
You guys broke the rules ….. period
Typical leftist behavior
Trump/Vance for Victory!
Good for him calling them out.
Yes. Let him lie in peace. He’s so good at it that low information voters will believe him
Ignorant moderator tries to be biased, lie, and break the rules again. Good job, Vance!!!
Russian bot
Thanks for explaining the legal process but that doesn't fit into the picture we are trying to paint so shut up
The smugness of the moderators in first inserting her opinion when they said they wouldn't, demand the candidate let her get the last word, replied with "thank you for explaining", and then lorded over that they cut his mic was astonishing.
In properly functioning newsrooms, all the moderators from both debates would have been fired the next day.
We wont fact check.. Also we have a list of fact checks i mean viewer advisories.
Not an opinion, she's just giving the facts 🤷♀️
So you’re okay being lied to?
@@HurricaneCitrina At best she was giving an ingenuous technicality. They came as illegal immigrants, and the Biden/Harris Administration wallpapered over it by changing their status.
It doesn't change the core issue of massive numbers of migrants coming into the country illegally. Folks disturbed by the trend won't be placated as if it's just an administrative issue of granting legal status as fast as possible. If anything, it speaks to the superficial response the Biden administration has to the issue.
"Too many illegal immigrants? Well, now we've given a ton of them temporary status, so the numbers are now artificially smaller. We solved the problem, why aren't you happy?"
And using that strategy in the middle of a debate without providing the necessary context to accurately give viewers an opportunity to understand the context, which is what Vance did before they cut his mic, as if they were just some neutral arbiter is exactly why the moderators shouldn't be allowed to slip in these types of asides in the first place. Nevermind, that they expressly stated they wouldn't do so at the beginning of the debate.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq In other words, they came here legally. Vance lied, and when fact checked, tried to move to goal posts by talking about how he didn't like the law.
Trump already proved he doesn't actually care about the border when he had his cronies in Congress block Biden's bipartisan border policy reform bill. It's pretty clear you're just regurgitating Republican propaganda at this point.
Vance fact checked her😂😂😂
And he lied.
@@scottfarner5100😂 nope What he said was the truth cry more.
@@MikeJAk49 thanks for taking the time to get off your knees and wipe Vance off your chin to defend him about something that you have no fing clue about.
@@scottfarner5100 what exactly did he say that was incorrect
@@mjc8556 Harris was never appointed as border czar and she was never in charge of border policy or law. We don't have an open border, we have a 50 year old asylum law that allows immigrants to cross our border at any point and request Asylum without penalty and go through the process. The Right does nothing but lie about our immigration laws and the legal process.
For those who comment like idi0t9... listen to the rules at the begining of the debate. Shh!
They let the opponent fact check, not moderators that know nothing.
Woot-Zee, I don't care.
Vance tried to incite a racial pogrom against Haitian immigrants by _openly lying about them_ on social media and you expect me to fret over civility politics?
Cry me a river.
*I'm glad* the woman called him out on his bullsh•t, and the fact that Vance immediately whined about it reflects _far worse_ on him than it does on us.
@@ThatTallBrendan No... I CARE ABOUT journalism, but you do not seem to get it.
If you want to "Fact check" as a journalist. LIVE, you can ask additional questions. Put him even deeper on what he wanted to say.
A better question: Are there legal Haitian immigrants? How many, etc!
Make him squirm, not like that! This made him look good in front of many supporters, as bad as you might think he was...
The "fact checks" from the moderators are not and will not change opinions of fans or even undecided voters...
A bad response, will!
Fans do not care about fact checks, as you can see in both camps. Kamala/Trump. Every camp cares about the checks on the other camp...
@@ThatTallBrendan "I don't care" So I'm going to write a youtube comment so you are well aware of how much I don't care. 🤣
The mics were "muted" if you're a professional lol
Details matter! If the moderators don't detail their fact checks, they will be checked on their inability to be open and honest. Baller, move on, Vance!
She got owned by JD Vance's response. She should not have fact-checked. She was wrong! This is why these moderators are biased. She didn't know about the app, and was ignorant to the process. She even thanked JD Vance for explaining the process to her. This guy JD Vance should be the President of the US. He is articulate, presidential demeanor, loving father and husband, and a Veteran who actually did carry a gun in IRAQ unlike Walz. Walz even lied about being in China Tiananmen Square. And when asked my the moderators, he talked about something else. Then when asked to answer the questions, he said he did lie. Walz lied!
An honest unbiased moderator would want to have ALL the facts stated, but Margaret Brennan shows herself to be thoroughly biased. She broke the no fact check rule agreed to by CBS News and then tried to talk over and shut up JD Vance. But Vance was smart, informed, and cool under fire. He got his point across.
He called her out and schooled her on the facts. You can see the embarrassment in her eyes. The other moderator cut the mike on a crucial point. Is no one disturbed that Vance pointed out that illegal immigrants are “legalized” and bypassing our vetting process?
Who’s vetting process? Putin’s??? 🫢
@@runawaymakefriendswiththem8905 no. To be a legal resident you need to have a visa or green card. If you want, then go through the naturalization process of being a citizen. Just like I and many legal immigrants did. Considering we had 500000 illegals with CRIMINAL records cross our borders mostly under this administration, 30,000 of which are rapists and murderers, do you want a convicted murderer rapist or terrorist to be legalized here in this country? This is an American policy.
@@VuNguyen-gi3mpignoring the blatant racism of assuming that of immigrants, what JD said only reinforced that the fact check was truthful.
@@simplsquam hold on. Vance said he had nothing against the immigrants. He has an issue with Harris’ policies. As of the ICE report, if Harris let in 10 million illegals into the country. 600000 with criminal records. 30000 convicted rapists and murders and starts legalizing them without our normal vetting process in our communities then we have a huge problem!
@@simplsquam If the fact checking were truthful and not trying to hide context, they shouldn't be afraid of letting Vance finishes and give more context to what they say. They knew people would realize these people are only technically legal due to an executive action from Biden and they did not go through the immigration process and it would not look good on Biden/Harris.
Wow
Now I can't watch abc and CBS. OH, and nbc news.
Immune to facts?
“SHUT IT DOWN!!!”
JD gave a lesson on how to debate. Including the moderators.
Lol good one
JD gave a lesson on telling untruths. Do some research on immigration in the US - you will find most of those illegals he is referring to arrived during Trump time as President.
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“Not asking to be fact checked is like you want to lie to the cameras”.
Understood but the reason for this is because during the trump Harris debate, they only fact checked trump and let the lies of Harris slip by. Either be equally fact checked or the mods might as stand on stage beside Tim Walz.
@@RB_Musik They did fact check equally. Trump lied a ton during his debate, but only got called out a couple of times for particularly obvious lies. Harris may have told a lie or two, but nowhere near as often or egregious as Trump, that's why she didn't get called out for any. That said, I agree the mods should have been more active, aggressive in calling out lies from both candidates during both debates.
@@Anvilmanthey literally did not fact check equally
@@ssilent8202 Sure they did. Harris certainly never told any lies as obvious or silly as the one Trump said about eating pets.
@@Anvilman I assure you. Harris wasn't fact checked at all during the debate. If she was please do tell me what they corrected her on.
The moderators couldn't help themselves, but Vance schooled them.
I'm sorry that the facts hurt your feelings. But no, Vance lied.
@@Anvilman No, he didnt. Stop coping hard on every comment because the propagandist moderators got called out.
@@Anvilman lol, Vance schooled them on the truth. He fact check them that the app which Kamala used to facilitate their status. That is the truth. Nice try though, lol
@@jimdowns1135 Yes - REAL Americans support allowing immigrants in, especially ones who work hard and aren't drug addicts like so many native-born Americans.
@jimdowns1135 all the app, which has been around since the trump presidency, does is makes it easier to make appointments at border entry points. The acceptance of asylum seekers has nothing to do with the app. If you have a problem with making appointments in general easier while saving taxpayer money and worker time, then you're hopeless.
This really made the moderators look incompetent.
This made my day!!! Lol. Time to set the biased moderators straight.😅
they got called out by Vance for lying that they wouldn't been doing their "fact checking". Zero integrity from those so called moderators.
Thankfully someone isn't letting the lies go on
Didn't know telling the truth is now fact checking. Is that the same thing as alternative facts? Migrants come here seeking asylum. We need a way to track them. They get a cell phone with the cbp app and now we can track them. I thought that's what the GOP wants? To tamp down on migrants that we can't track? Well now they are tracked and have legal status in the US. They work, they pay taxes, they are your neighbors.
Is it too much to ask for him to simply not lie?
@@bhind45 he was not lying at least about illegals in Springfield
@@jaimesoto1915I mean, didn't he just agree with the fact checkers in this clip? He confirmed the migrants had legal status via the cbp one application.
Do ur homework people. Vance is right
“We have so much we want to get to”. True meaning: We only want to hear what WE want to hear. 🙄. True journalism is dead.
An honest unbiased moderator would want to have ALL the relevant facts stated, but here is a thoroughly biased moderator breaking the rules by fact checking and then constantly trying to shut up JD Vance. But Vance is smart, persistent, and cool under fire. He got his point across.
The hosts never apologized for breaking the rule of not fact checking the candidates, they were sold out
@@jaimesoto1915 its so sad when people get exposed for lying :(
There was no such rule. Vance was just butthurt.
@@Anvilman those rules were agreed before the debate , please google it
@@jaimesoto1915 Googled it, can't find anything to support that claim. Sounds like you're just lying like Vance.
So many of you missed what happened here. This was typical media meddling in something to change an outcome. The rule was “ no fact checking” but yet the mods did, and then entered the debate and THEN did not let the participant respond. As a follow-up they then muted their mics! That was Mr Walz’s job to refute Mr Vance’s statement, and only his. It then became 3 on one. Funny how in this time with all the sensitivity about bullying it’s done on national tv and completely overlooked. Afterward the sentiment is that Mr Vance was trying to talk over and “ mansplain”. So again, mods be quiet, let the two gentlemen spar, and move on.
Dear god. You people are so pathetic. It's actually insane.
They deserved to be called out for interjecting themselves into the debate
It isn't the moderator's fault that Vance lied so blatantly.
@@Anvilmanname the specific lie
@@Anvilmannothing of what he said was a lie, that just seems to be the general quip of people you dont agree with I don’t like it so he lied
@@dallascopp4798 He claimed the Hatians in question are in the country illegally. As the mod said at the start of the video, that is a lie.
@@JeffGordon-ph4vz Sounds like you're trying to project your dislike the facts onto me. Sorry, but Vance lied, no matter how desperately you deny it. He actually lied quite a bit during the debate, though the mods only called him out for a single, particularly egregious lie.
He shut her down super hard. Too bad you didn’t show the next few seconds of the clip. (I can’t imagine why) 😂😂