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@@thecaynuck Yeah, that's not right if Doctor Curry advocates genocide. I'd like to see you prove this, however. Show me where it's at? Why haven't you? Because, if true, this would mean: 1. Curry is stupid and should be retired immediately, or 2. Is he a homicidal maniac no? In either case, he needs to go now. Wait, there's more; for A PROFESSOR, especially threatening even one individual, never mind advocating for us to kill ALL WHITE PEOPLE, THIS is a BIG DEAL. So, could you back up what you say here or remove it and apologize profusely? I understand that Dr. Curry felt that his life was in danger which caused him to leave "his" country. So, now that you have a couple words to question your integrity and intelligence, please let us hear from you IMMEDIATELY. Thank you for your comment --- statement of fact, opinion, or belief system. We need to find out how someone could make such a statement believing it would go unnoticed. Touche. Hahaha
Wow, this professor has opened my eyes. I was taught in sociology about racial femenism - black women were pictured as being at the bottom of the social heirarchy, and i never questioned that until now. Also a really important contribution to the discussion around color blindness. Learning so much from this man Even more impressive that he told me all of this in one unpunctuated sentence 🤯
Is Dr. Curry being accused of killing white people? And we thought that he was such a nice guy. I'm so disappointed. We never know, I guess. I wrote to the person who broke the news and the family, and we are anxious for a reply.
Great interview. I appreciate the long form format so we hear the subjects entire position on a given point. Dr Curry is a huge gain for European scholarship, and a loss for the US for certain.
My black grandson was baptized in the church, became an acolyte, his mother joined the choir, and church women said we would like him to go to the church school with their children, so we applied for the 6th grade, and he was rejected, saying he was a behavior problem. I don't know how he could be before being in the school, but if true don't you offer some kind of help? The worse part was the silence, no one said they were sorry he was rejected, I believe it was because they knew why. I later asked one of his teachers, a white male. and his answer was we still have racism. I did get a call from the rector, not the headmaster, saying it wasn't because he was black. Again, he didn't say he was sorry he didn't get in, just don't badmouth the parish, I later send an Email with Matt 18: 6, then received a nice letter saying to change my membership. I love the Episcopal Church and want him confirmed, but don't dare risk him again. The good news that in his current school he is getting all kinds of awards. The principal just took him out for lunch the other day. To be estranged from the church and being afraid to take a grandchild to church is not pleasant. Where is the Episcopal Church welcomes you for him? Pax Christi.
You still don’t see the correlation between religion and racism and wanna keep subjecting him to yt supremacy? Because you’re still hooked on yt jesus. Let that mess go and let your child be free. Religion is a form of cultural domination and control masking itself as spiritual. That’s why so many black folk have been driven mad.
It would be correct too say, feminist scholars have continually gotten a past even when history doesn't support their claims. That in itself is practicing racism at its highest
@@northa3617 yes we're opposed to it bc no one is operating under this definition. Feminism has been co-opted by misandry and racism. It's about control and destroying men. There's no equality in that or anything feminist argue for. Y'all want the positives and avoid the negatives of being equal to men. Do your homework before you come for men in the comments. You just proved what he said was right.
@@northa3617 is that the definition? Well tell me do you see any examples of that being the practice. All policies and initiatives isn’t to be on par or equal to men it’s to surpass us ie “The Future is Female”
@North In his most recent work, Curry argues that 'by looking at the primary racial target of feminist thought and activism over the centuries, the Black male, scholars can more accurately trace the theories feminists used to derail Black American’s struggle for civil rights'
Seems like there is a definite guilt component in the degree of lashing out and transference from the white power structure/state to individual black men in the U.S. Great video, a lot to think about.
Brilliant (yes)! However, tagging Dr. Curry's work as "brilliant" (full stop)... is an effort below curve! The "brilliant" global machine that his work speaks to is reinforced by an unprecedented military apparatus functioning in purpose for the regulation of (said) "brilliance"... into academia! Indeed, Dr Curry's "BRILLIANCE" is (adjectively) lifting, reforming, transforming... expression "AUDACITY!" (Gvn💐Now!)👏🏾
This was a great talk by Professor Curry. Kudos! My only hope is that he stops using the term Black, at some point. They is a colonial term too. All it does is frames our lives against the concept of White... By doing that , we always end up vulnerable to the dragon's tail...
If you perceive any semblance of similarity between Jordan Peterson and Dr. Curry, I would urge you to delve into their respective writings. It seems you harbor a profound misunderstanding of their distinct philosophies.
While I largely agree with curry, I do not agree with the claim that only men have been on the receiving end of racial stereotyping. Several historical examples exist for racialized women as well, particularly in regards to sexual characteristics etc.
I don't he was speaking in absolute terms. He merely explained that the brunt of racial stereotyping was taken by black men. I don't think anyone could reasonnably argue black women didn't suffer from it as well.
@@christiandouyon9739 makes sense. I’m a black man so i feel the weight of that everyday. I’m glad he’s honestly speaking on it, there aren’t many scholars who center us in this light
Your are very wrong. Race is a not logically consistent in any way. Not in genetic studies, not in cultural studies. He is obsessed and should be fired
@@coolguyike yeah, I heard something like this. What could have triggered such ban? (I tried to do some search online but couldn't pinpoint the exact reason)
Ugh ok...is it possible that racial disparities are due to a COMBINATION of factors? That perhaps historical/contemporary discrimination is responsible for some portion of the disparities we observe, AND that "pathologies" or maladaptive cultural norms are responsible for another portion? Is it possible that different disparities (of which there are many--wealth, representation, incarceration, etc.) are due to different levels of discrimination vs "pathology" vs historical codified racism and its ripple effects...? If not, how do we know that? What's the empirical evidence demonstrating the extent of, say, present-day prejudice on racial disparity in the US?
Oh, visit academic journals & primary sources and you will find evidence to support claims of present-day prejudice/discrimination as well as arguments for historical implications for present-day circumstances. I really don't understand the need for folks to so quickly retreat back to some sort of cultural deficiency argument. Also curious from where folks think the geneses, or at the very least the inflammations of these "pathologies" or "maladaptive cultural norms", come.
@@bens5859 I was attempting to further the conversation by addressing your final question in the affirmative that there are empirical studies to support that idea. Simultaneously, I find it frustrating that people will quickly highlight “personal responsibility”-related arguments as if bootstrap-ism is a widely viable path for improvement.
@@Dr.Speller to support the idea that _all_ or merely _some_ racial disparities are due to institutional racism? If you mean the latter, we already agree.
@@bens5859 Of course “some”; to posit “all” would at minimum be imprecise. So it does appear that we agree; I think we’d also agree that often the severity and magnitude of these disparities are significant.
Is it helpful to think about this stuff so much? The things that make white ppl successful, healthy and happy also make black ppl successful healthy and happy, because we are all human. So why not focus on that and let go of all this stuff. It's good to think about issues deeply but this doesn't seem helpful to me.
If you were the victim in the situation, and your family was still living with the fallout of slavery / segregation etc, would you want everyone to just forget about it and carry on?
I don't think he has an antagonistic attitude toward black women however I do believe he is antagonistic to a certain part of the black academy which upholds racist stereotypes from the past.
Skin tone only tells us where our ancestors lived from the equator. Someone who believes skin tone matters more than individuality, perpetuate "racism". We are all human, weak humans find ways to find value from external identity, materialistic value, instead of internal, individuality. Not any different from a bully picking on someone for wearing a hat, or shirt color. "words" used to trick you to feel like a victim.
Respectfully, I don't think you have a deep enough understanding of what racism is to make such blanket statements. Most people who study race aren't trying to argue for a kind or bioessentialism
So nevermind the actual slavery that evolved to blackcodes and then jimcorw. Red lining hangings that still happens today. That's quite a bit of action but you talking about words. STOP IT
1 drop, 3/5ths (yeah I kno the history, still a thing) brain size, body part research, Octoroon, Quadroon. Who could own property, read, write, vote, marry, serve like Johnson Whittaker, stand on a corner in excess of 3, Face Satchel Page in The bronx, buy a GI Bill home,….allllll the way to who could fly missions over Eastern Europe, to Willie Lanier to who could play QB. Why is skin tone so critical indeed. Oh and that part about weak human…
Should we do away with intersectionality within the study and dismantling of racism?
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Tommy Curry is Brilliant
08:25 who ?
You better be prepared if you step into the ring. Curry will knock you out.
Not when he advocated for the killing of white people. Not very smart.
@@thecaynuck Yeah, that's not right if Doctor Curry advocates genocide. I'd like to see you prove this, however. Show me where it's at? Why haven't you? Because, if true, this would mean: 1. Curry is stupid and should be retired immediately, or 2. Is he a homicidal maniac no? In either case, he needs to go now.
Wait, there's more; for A PROFESSOR, especially threatening even one individual, never mind advocating for us to kill ALL WHITE PEOPLE, THIS is a BIG DEAL.
So, could you back up what you say here or remove it and apologize profusely? I understand that Dr. Curry felt that his life was in danger which caused him to leave "his" country.
So, now that you have a couple words to question your integrity and intelligence, please let us hear from you IMMEDIATELY. Thank you for your comment --- statement of fact, opinion, or belief system.
We need to find out how someone could make such a statement believing it would go unnoticed. Touche. Hahaha
He's actually racist trash
Wow, this professor has opened my eyes. I was taught in sociology about racial femenism - black women were pictured as being at the bottom of the social heirarchy, and i never questioned that until now.
Also a really important contribution to the discussion around color blindness.
Learning so much from this man
Even more impressive that he told me all of this in one unpunctuated sentence 🤯
Much respect 💪🏾💯
I’m grateful to have come across this interview!
Well done, Dr. Curry.
Is Dr. Curry being accused of killing white people? And we thought that he was such a nice guy. I'm so disappointed. We never know, I guess. I wrote to the person who broke the news and the family, and we are anxious for a reply.
Dr Curry arguments are very well throughout and informative.
16:40 Jean Stefancic
Great interview. I appreciate the long form format so we hear the subjects entire position on a given point. Dr Curry is a huge gain for European scholarship, and a loss for the US for certain.
It’s truly our loss. He’s honestly my favorite scholar
We (Americans) don't deserve him.
@@Kwasimitsu sad. Need him in africa.
Great interview with Professor Tommy Curry. He speaks with historical, investigative and logical facts and information. Thanks Dr. T. Curry!
Who are the names mentioned at 16:30
@@omalone1169 Derrick Bell, Linda Greene, Kenneth Nunn, Richard Delgado, Jean Stefancic
Heartfelt appreciation for Dr. Curry!🙏🏾
incredible information.
If you're retarded
Happy I came across this interview especially with the recent Twitter comments
Thank you for this, something to come back in and meditate to
Brilliant. However, in this day and time i fear that his thought process is too nuanced to be digested by the masses. What to do now?
Hell of a question that I struggle with as well
Make it easier to digest... on your own.
Excellent content from Tommy Curry
This is was a really good watch which put a lot of things context
Listen to Frank Wilderson
My black grandson was baptized in the church, became an acolyte, his mother joined the choir, and church women said we would like him to go to the church school with their children, so we applied for the 6th grade, and he was rejected, saying he was a behavior problem. I don't know how he could be before being in the school, but if true don't you offer some kind of help? The worse part was the silence, no one said they were sorry he was rejected, I believe it was because they knew why. I later asked one of his teachers, a white male. and his answer was we still have racism. I did get a call from the rector, not the headmaster, saying it wasn't because he was black. Again, he didn't say he was sorry he didn't get in, just don't badmouth the parish, I later send an Email with Matt 18: 6, then received a nice letter saying to change my membership. I love the Episcopal Church and want him confirmed, but don't dare risk him again. The good news that in his current school he is getting all kinds of awards. The principal just took him out for lunch the other day. To be estranged from the church and being afraid to take a grandchild to church is not pleasant. Where is the Episcopal Church welcomes you for him? Pax Christi.
You're a fool.
Stop putting our kids in yt environments then being hurt when racism does what it does. We still don’t get it.
You still don’t see the correlation between religion and racism and wanna keep subjecting him to yt supremacy? Because you’re still hooked on yt jesus. Let that mess go and let your child be free. Religion is a form of cultural domination and control masking itself as spiritual. That’s why so many black folk have been driven mad.
@@Taylordessalines Good point. We had slavery, then separate but equal, and now we have helping a black person is racism. Lord have mercy.
It would be correct too say, feminist scholars have continually gotten a past even when history doesn't support their claims. That in itself is practicing racism at its highest
Wouldn’t practicing racism at its highest be genocide?
The definition of feminism is "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.". Are you opposed to this?
@@northa3617 yes we're opposed to it bc no one is operating under this definition. Feminism has been co-opted by misandry and racism. It's about control and destroying men. There's no equality in that or anything feminist argue for. Y'all want the positives and avoid the negatives of being equal to men. Do your homework before you come for men in the comments. You just proved what he said was right.
@@northa3617 is that the definition? Well tell me do you see any examples of that being the practice. All policies and initiatives isn’t to be on par or equal to men it’s to surpass us ie “The Future is Female”
@North In his most recent work, Curry argues that 'by looking at the primary racial target of feminist thought and activism over the centuries, the Black male, scholars can more accurately trace the theories feminists used to derail Black American’s struggle for civil rights'
Brilliant work Tommy Curry
Well said.
23:00 when he talks about popularity
Brilliant mind. Excellence in motion.
Seems like there is a definite guilt component in the degree of lashing out and transference from the white power structure/state to individual black men in the U.S. Great video, a lot to think about.
What is your basis for this statement? Is it just your gut feeling?
How?
@@Onserio. why?
Brilliant (yes)! However, tagging Dr. Curry's work as "brilliant" (full stop)... is an effort below curve!
The "brilliant" global machine that his work speaks to is reinforced
by an unprecedented military apparatus functioning in purpose for the regulation of (said) "brilliance"... into academia!
Indeed, Dr Curry's "BRILLIANCE"
is (adjectively) lifting, reforming, transforming... expression "AUDACITY!" (Gvn💐Now!)👏🏾
I feel like there’s a context that he’s responding to pointed questions here that the edit may be throwing viewers off with
Salute
This was a great talk by Professor Curry. Kudos! My only hope is that he stops using the term Black, at some point. They is a colonial term too. All it does is frames our lives against the concept of White... By doing that , we always end up vulnerable to the dragon's tail...
2024!!! Man he’s 100% accurate
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🙏🏾
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Axé
10:41
Virtue signaling is great, but no one does anything.
To virtue signal is to signal you're in lock step with an already accepted and popular ideology, nothing Curry talks about is a virtue signal.
@@vg1024 Glad you think so. Blessings.
I would love to see Dr. Curry talk to Jordan Peterson
If you perceive any semblance of similarity between Jordan Peterson and Dr. Curry, I would urge you to delve into their respective writings. It seems you harbor a profound misunderstanding of their distinct philosophies.
🌋🌋
6:05.
Damn was it cold? I see mist coming out his mouth.
While I largely agree with curry, I do not agree with the claim that only men have been on the receiving end of racial stereotyping. Several historical examples exist for racialized women as well, particularly in regards to sexual characteristics etc.
I don't he was speaking in absolute terms. He merely explained that the brunt of racial stereotyping was taken by black men. I don't think anyone could reasonnably argue black women didn't suffer from it as well.
@@christiandouyon9739 makes sense. I’m a black man so i feel the weight of that everyday. I’m glad he’s honestly speaking on it, there aren’t many scholars who center us in this light
@@raymondjennings8707 True enough
Where did he say only men? Can you time stamp that?
@@raymondjennings8707don't worry. Your mother isn't going to whoop you.
Your are very wrong. Race is a not logically consistent in any way. Not in genetic studies, not in cultural studies. He is obsessed and should be fired
“Curry” is his last name and he looks south Asian to me. 😂😂 that’s funny
Lost by the topic, we see.
Look at my FBA brother working that high IQ ✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾
Can I identify as a black man even though I am white?
What's the purpose of your question?
@@lorenzohaynes3886 To make fun of social constructivism.
Oh god race realism in 2022
Humanity is truely utterly doomed
White fragility in effect here.
24:30 please what name is that ?
This guy is lucky that the system (for some fucked up reason) protects people like him.
The system protects him how? And you mean people like him as in what?
We could've been lucky if your pops had pulled out.
The system banned him from teaching in America and he teaches in Europe now so it does the opposite .
@@coolguyike yeah, I heard something like this. What could have triggered such ban? (I tried to do some search online but couldn't pinpoint the exact reason)
And the system mostly protects cowards like yourself who are too frightened to even imagine fighting against it.
Ugh ok...is it possible that racial disparities are due to a COMBINATION of factors? That perhaps historical/contemporary discrimination is responsible for some portion of the disparities we observe, AND that "pathologies" or maladaptive cultural norms are responsible for another portion?
Is it possible that different disparities (of which there are many--wealth, representation, incarceration, etc.) are due to different levels of discrimination vs "pathology" vs historical codified racism and its ripple effects...?
If not, how do we know that? What's the empirical evidence demonstrating the extent of, say, present-day prejudice on racial disparity in the US?
Oh, visit academic journals & primary sources and you will find evidence to support claims of present-day prejudice/discrimination as well as arguments for historical implications for present-day circumstances. I really don't understand the need for folks to so quickly retreat back to some sort of cultural deficiency argument. Also curious from where folks think the geneses, or at the very least the inflammations of these "pathologies" or "maladaptive cultural norms", come.
@@Dr.Speller Are you arguing against my comment above? I don't see anything in your comment that contradicts what I've said.
@@bens5859 I was attempting to further the conversation by addressing your final question in the affirmative that there are empirical studies to support that idea. Simultaneously, I find it frustrating that people will quickly highlight “personal responsibility”-related arguments as if bootstrap-ism is a widely viable path for improvement.
@@Dr.Speller to support the idea that _all_ or merely _some_ racial disparities are due to institutional racism? If you mean the latter, we already agree.
@@bens5859 Of course “some”; to posit “all” would at minimum be imprecise. So it does appear that we agree; I think we’d also agree that often the severity and magnitude of these disparities are significant.
Is it helpful to think about this stuff so much? The things that make white ppl successful, healthy and happy also make black ppl successful healthy and happy, because we are all human.
So why not focus on that and let go of all this stuff. It's good to think about issues deeply but this doesn't seem helpful to me.
LOL this is the best you can do for a response to all that?
If you were the victim in the situation, and your family was still living with the fallout of slavery / segregation etc, would you want everyone to just forget about it and carry on?
Whites are getting uncomfortable LETS KEEP IT UP GUYS!
Most whites embraced feminism until they started getting effected
Saying a lot but not saying much
Agreed, I think his communication style is influenced by his background in Philosophy.
@@acebutterfly2725 Did know that modern science came from Philosophy? Yes or No?
You just don't comprehend
Hmm... there's kind of an antagonistic attitude towards black women in his thinking. Something’s off.
How? How is talking about black men's suffering and calling out the people who try to white wash that suffering antagonistic to black women?
How so? The man is married to a black woman and has two daughters.
@@theelectricprince8231 See my response above. I didn’t really want to get into it. But then I did. 🤷🏾♀️
I don't think he has an antagonistic attitude toward black women however I do believe he is antagonistic to a certain part of the black academy which upholds racist stereotypes from the past.
@Screaming Toad Also known as B.L.M
Skin tone only tells us where our ancestors lived from the equator.
Someone who believes skin tone matters more than individuality, perpetuate "racism".
We are all human, weak humans find ways to find value from external identity, materialistic value, instead of internal, individuality.
Not any different from a bully picking on someone for wearing a hat, or shirt color.
"words" used to trick you to feel like a victim.
Very convenient perspective in 2022. Thanks for proving the doctors points. 😆
@@marsmith1907 I know right😂😂
Respectfully, I don't think you have a deep enough understanding of what racism is to make such blanket statements. Most people who study race aren't trying to argue for a kind or bioessentialism
So nevermind the actual slavery that evolved to blackcodes and then jimcorw. Red lining hangings that still happens today. That's quite a bit of action but you talking about words. STOP IT
1 drop, 3/5ths (yeah I kno the history, still a thing) brain size, body part research, Octoroon, Quadroon. Who could own property, read, write, vote, marry, serve like Johnson Whittaker, stand on a corner in excess of 3, Face Satchel Page in The bronx, buy a GI Bill home,….allllll the way to who could fly missions over Eastern Europe, to Willie Lanier to who could play QB.
Why is skin tone so critical indeed.
Oh and that part about weak human…
Why was my comment addressing @gloriakmm11 deleted?
Because I didn't approve. Now you play nice next time. Okay? Are we understood?
Suggestion: Asides from abiding by their rules for commenting, have you tried breaking your comments into fragments of short sentences?
@@beebee_0136 thanks I didn't think about that