16x9 | Frozen in Time: Missing climber Holland's body found frozen 21 years later
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2012
- They risk their lives to stand on top of the world. But experienced mountain climbers know the thrill of reaching the summit can come at a terrible price. Laurel Clark has the story of William Holland, a climber who disappeared into thin air. His body was recovered 21 years later - completely intact.
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Hearing his cries for help during the night.
That's absolutely horrible
I wonder how he sleeps at night knowing he couldn't help him.
It was just his mind, he couldn’t have survived that fall
RumbleYoungMan Rumble you don’t know that.
Luke Plessinger he may have survived it by some chance, but there is zero chance he heard a single human voice from any distance on a mountain.
What is horrible is that he left is family for a mountain. That is the true loss.
I stopped climbing when I had kids. Think of the lost experiences with that little girl and the wonderful young woman she became. Not worth it.
Yea but there’s climbing and there’s climbing. It’s possible to enjoy the sport without taking reckless risks
my aunt climbed mount everst 😶
Best decision ever....
Kudos on the choice sir, had a similar conversation with my best friend who's a dad and wanted to summit with me 5 or 6 years ago now. Eventually he saw the tops of Hood and Adams in the Cascade range and I asked him what else he felt he needed out of the experience while we took in the views and ironically made phone calls and texts. He said that he wanted to be around to see his young girls have the opportunity to have similar experiences in their lives.
Well said captain. That is what Fathers do.
You can tell his friend is still really traumatized over the situation. He didn’t really know what to say about his friend’s body being found.
I know I would be. To think of your friends body being found 21 years later would be harrowing for me. The same face he remembered seeing last was preserved, along with a broken body. It would feel like a nightmare coming to life
The mountain delivered him back to the bottom to be found.
Yeah never continue with lost and broken equipment ever period
21 years later:
"It appears he died from a fall."
They solved the case! Ingenious!
A "shocking conclusion", eh?
Yes, the obviousness of all of this is almost boring. And yet people make these choices, and die and leave grieving family to cope, all the time.
@@vyvienn so American
“Her father taken from her”. He was not taken, I feel dreadful for his family but he wasn’t taken, he chose to go up a mountain where the risks are incredibly high. If he was murdered then yes, I would say he was taken.
"Her father committed suicide." Would be more accurate.
He was taken from them by death.
@Mark Grudt anything you do is dangerous.
@Joe Langley From their perspective, he was "taken". I'm not sure what benefit could be derived from denying them this perspective. If he did anything wrong by not denying his dream, he's already paid the ultimate price.
griz063 I get what you are saying , I just hate people that put themselves in harms way for no reason at all but to get a thrill, then to do it when you have a young kid, it’s very irresponsible. When you have a child you have to accept that a lot of your ambitions and dreams are put on hold for a while, if not forever.
"Life" was giving him hints loud and clear...he lost his mitt, then his ice pick broke and who knows what else happened to let him know this wasn't the day he should have been climbing. Sometimes we don't listen to the signs we should be paying attention to. Very sad for his family.
Truee
Very true.
if its going to happen it will happen. you cant help it
@@dulguuntsg8389
Yes you can
People from all walks of life have defied death!
When you bring a child into the world I believe your first duty is to take care of yourself as well as possible to raise that child. That poor man suffered so tremendously and his daughter has suffered unendingly.
So true ☹️.... greetings from germany 🙂👋
Sometimes I don't get the delusion of some people. It sounds mean but saying, "How beautiful! He died doing what he loved to do"? That just blows my mind. She went without a father & her mother without a husband. Doing what "he loved to do" left them with a hole in their family & years of suffering. To me it is pure selfishness.
@@melaniecarver5719 better to die a normie in traffic or from a drive by. Why have the drive to do anything at all!
@@jordanf8797 It's not about not having the drive to do anything. There are plenty if things to do to have a fulfilling life. Raising a child is a pretty awesome accomplishment IMO. Better than dying on some mountain & nobody even knows your name.
U have no idea about his daughter
I feel for the guy who heard his last cries for help that's gotta be haunting him. There was nothing he could do though.
All the folks on here who are digging on the guy with a dislocated shoulder for not helping his fallen buddy have obviously never climbed under severe conditions. This is a monster of a technical climb and with altitude and glacier issues to boot. Surviving the descent of this kind of climb under white-out conditions with a dislocated shoulder is far from assured. He can hardly be blamed for staying in the tent until help arrived. I have treated multiple severe trauma wound victims as a first responder. I personally believe that Holland died immediately or within minutes from his fall (the dude essentially fell off a vertical cliff of over 1000 feet--the type of fall that usually pulverizes soft organs and shatters hard organs and bone). Listening to the "crying" howl of the wilderness at night can be unnerving and slightly hallucinatory as it is...much less when one is injured, exhausted, and perhaps a little delirious.
+Louis Byron I agree entirely, the other climber was in shock from losing his friend, he was listening to nature and wanted to believe these sounds were his friend.
But what I thought was he could encouraged rescue teams more.
And all those people who went looking for him risked their lives too
Mason Stenehjem They don’t mind. That is their job. They don’t hate mountain climbers like all of you do, apparently.
Yes they did and by most opinions ofcthe comments they shpuldnt be allowed to do that job with family's cause it somehow makes them selfish.. And i seen opinions that said him falling risked every one else's lofe
@@mekhireid1789out headache.. Can u repeat that in english and a little more proper please..
@@nickramey7450 this man died from falling and freezing to death , during those times we had minimal technology to recover anyone dead or alive. Id also like to add we had ridiculous methods for safety back in the day so his injury/death wasnt unexpected as sad as it was.
Not saying you aren't sorry for his death but im glad he was discovered despite the risk he first had during his expedition!. Im so glad his body was found and that he body could be laid to rest after all these years. I cant imagine what he was feeling at that time during his death.
Part of me knows he didnt regret his experience but also knows that leaving his family behind to persue an extreme hobby/lifestyle would have hurt so much in the end.
@@LivRogers-tw6oe idk y u telling me this.. Nothing you said in that comment was previously denied by me so im confused as to why its aimed towards me??
she said it was a beautiful way to die having the mountains take him... but him screaming help tells me he had instant regret. you dont regret what you love.
He should have LIVED, doing what he LOVED...BEING WITH AND RAISING HIS DAUGHTER. NOT, climbing a mountain.
I was involved in a small plane crash in 1978. My love of flying took precedent over my family my wife and two little girls.
My priorities changed after that, when I was falling like a rock toward the ground below. I kept hearing my little girls calling
" DADDY , DADDY...DON"T LEAVE US DADDY " !! MY PRIORITIES DEFINITELY CHANGED FOR THE BETTER.....I haven't flown as a pilot since 1978.
That was a very good decision because your babies was a gift to you from God and it was your responsibility to take care of them. By any means necessary
D Johnson God Bless you and your family ✝️
So thankful that you got a second chance and are taking advantage of it.
@Jeff Holland But you're not falling 12 to 35,000 feet in a car crash.
jS jS the point is that it’s safer to fly than it is to drive
When I die from drinking nobody is going to say " he died doing what he loved ".
BustedWalletGarage dont die from drinking then
I say it for you
Me to lol.
Awe! Slante'! 🍀
lol
"He mysteriously disappeared" Um no he fell off a cliff and the other climbers knew that immediately so it wasn't so mysterious now was it.
When the last thing you say is a letter of the alphabet.
No it was mysterious how he just fell , prolly broke an arm/leg then froze to death
So who funds all the rescue. If u can afford to go to those places & do dumb shit than u should sign up to pay for rescue if needed
"he died doing what he loved", I thought he liked climbing, not falling.
Mysterious as to how he got tocthe edge and how the first giycdidnt realize it until he waa gone..
As I've heard someone say, this was Mt. "Ego". The risk of many lives; Sherpas,other climbers, helicopter rescues, etc... spending $100,000 to climb a 🗻, then "hope", to return back to camp..
If you’re married and have a family I think it’s extremely selfish to risk your life with activities that you should do while you’re single with 0 kids.
Thank you. You have a family for a reason. Be with them. Do things with them.
Dumb take. It’s his life and his choice, he knew the risks as did his wife. Do you expect people to not go diving, driving, exploring cause they’re married? Do you think all married MMA fighters/boxers should stop fighting too? Not everyone wants to live in a cubicle
If his wife didn’t like the risks he was taking, then don’t be with him and don’t have kids with him. Calling someone selfish doing something they love is dumb af. If anything it would be selfish of the wife to stop him from doing it; but I don’t expect you to get it
agreed - and there were so many signs that said "stop". Extremely selfish.
@@GG-wq6hv Wether or not his wife wanted him to is irrelevant, It's still undeniably selfish. It's not like that makes him the worst person in the world or anything, but you can't actually try to argue that this was some kind of selfless act.
''he died doing what he loved''
Falling off a cliff & freezing to death? Is that what he loved?
@TA A He didn't think he was a fool but he was.
@@o.g.millennials how was he a fool .because he enjoyed things that involved a risk.. Driving your car is a risk .eating a burger is a risk. Every thing you docin life is a risjcthat can kill u.
You have a 50%/50% procent chance to die, climbing this cliff. Not with riding a car....
Same as in a car.
@Einstien Brown Russian roulet perce rage of survival is based off the an Ok t of people olaying.. If only two people ay that 50% wich is 50/50. Driving a car. You make it to ur destination or not.. The probability is based souly off dieing or haveing a successful trip.. Not injuries n all that. Steictly live or die. And that's always 50/50.
What a dread it must have been to hear your friend cry for help in the night and you cant do anything.
+grimlund i don't understand why he didn't holler back?...it does not compute
It wasn't his friend. It was the other dudes friend. When he said "something Happened" he made a weird look. Maybe they tossed him over.
Right! If he was close enough to hear yelling over the wind and snow the guy wasn't more than a few hundred yards away
He was alone, with a dislocated shoulder.....in EVEREST!!! Nothing he could have done, but pray that he himself will make it out of there alive.
lmao in Everest? r u on drugs?
He died for the love of adventure, thrill seeking..........had he paused for consideration, he should have lived for the love of his family. Sad, but selfish and irresponsible on his part.
Why live in such a conclusion as a total stranger . . . when it would seem that those closest to him who lost the most . . . don't live there?
I agree with you.
It's good to read people that share this sentiment. It has always pissed me off how they make hero's out of these egomaniacs. Hero's die in wars, housefire's and policemen's blue uniforms. This mountain crap is for glory and adrenaline, families deserve better.
Ernie Ragogini True. At least this comment section is not full of completely idiotic morons who appease the risk of climbing constantly.
@That Flippin Guy 1% of an average of 500 die annually at Everest so 1 in 100. I ser your point even though the numbers arent great. Im not one that believes that flying is safer than driving because there are too many factors envolved with road deaths. Seatbelt, safety of car, control etc
Why would you take such a high risk when you have the responsibility for a child and wife?
It’s called an unchecked ego. Being a husband and a father requires a man to deny himself and place the needs of his family first.
@@prevost8686 Thank you for your answer. That made me curious. So I googled some articles about it and it already made a lot clear.
So thank you and gr. from 🙋♀️🤗 from The Netherlands.
Mountain climbers are usually driven. It doesn't always have to be about ego. Most of them tend to be thoughtful and loving parents. Their partners know what they're getting into and wouldn't dream of trying to change them.
Because you are a selfish person, not you XENO, but the climber.
That would be the most gut wrenching feeling. Hearing your friend scream for help in severe pain, knowing their death is imminent but being totally and utterly unable to help them.
Goabnb94 I don't believe he heard anything. Drama guy, sucking his 15 min.
LodiTX You are an unfeeling???.Sucked your 15sec. Didn't ya? That man lost his dear best friend in a tragic accident he probably still hears his friends cry at night,every night,God Bless his sole,god bless his daughter & Family And God bless his dear friend.RIP
It's not a passion for life. It's an obsession with defeating death.
Karen well said. It’s so pointless leaving your family behind by choice.
# ONLY The LORD JESUS CHRIST Defeated Death...ON The Cross, So That we may receive ETERNAL LIFE IN GOD'S KINGDOM. # Coming SOON
@@lindanicholason878 Before I make fun of you I have to know if this is a joke.
Karen You said it 👏
Linda Nicholason do you know how hashtags work?
It’s amazing that he initially survived the fall, which was about 1600 feet.
I'm sorry for the families loss, especially his daughter. 😢
Sorry, but after you start a family, it is time to minimize your dangerous activities.
@Pete is never wrong Please, let us know when you're leaving so all of us can celebrate the departing of one less self-centered ass here in the States.
@Pete is never wrong what the hell does HAVING a gun have to do about this traguc DEATH
How about you worry what you do when YOU start a family. Me and my family will worry about what _I_ do.
Sound good?
Slomofogo Where did you have in mind? Not being sarcastic, I’d really like to know what country you’d be interested in immigrating to.
There is no where to go you might have to give up on God bless America and turn to Jesus Christ
'he died doing what he loved'.. falling 500m and dieing in huge pain after a few hours of shouting help in a cold and windy night. yep, nice way to go.
+Michael RedCrow i'm sure!
+Sjuksköterska What makes you think that after falling 500 M, that's 1,650 feet for us US people, that he was alive? If you fall 1,650 feet, you're either dead, or maybe semi conscience but the internal injuries would bleed out fast, and the 40 degrees below zero temperature along with the wind, up to 90 mph+, put him out of his misery in short order. I don't see anyone living in that environment after falling 1,650 feet on rocks and ice being alive and yelling for 24 hours; he died of multiple blunt impacts meaning it was a very nasty fall bouncing hard off the mountain all the way down. I expect the fall killed him, it's likely he died during the fall really; to be intact with eyes open means he was dead when he stopped falling, his not moving after falling and the evidence of very serious brain injury. With those temps, he's out quickly, not aware of anything at all. Nevertheless, plenty of people have fallen and been critically injured during/after the fall in more temperate conditions that did have a very long and excruciatingly painful death lasting for a day or two or longer...yes, that sucks big time. There are many of first hand reports of incidents of such gruesome deaths on the mountain that it scares the crap out of me. The glory I used to associate with climbing is pretty much gone.
Maleko Mtnboy I agree with you just because you wrote a novel as a reply. You've got plenty of time, i suppose..
+Sjuksköterska That's funny. Have a great day !
+Sjuksköterska ---He should have loved taking care of his family more then climbing mountains,
He finished the technical part of the climb, after reaching the summit it is simply a long walk out. At that point he would have been exhausted, only to accidentally walk off the edge in a white out. Very similar to the way Herman Buhl died, footprints leading to an unrecognized cornice and abyss.
spelunkerd those damn cornice!
I will never understand WHY, someone will throw away their one and only life
How do you know it's the only one?
Yes, it's very strange indeed. Interestingly, I don't know of many Hindu risk takers, yet they believe in reincarnation.
Help! I'm a rock! It’s the only one we know of. To gamble that there might be another is foolish in every way.
@@theredflannelchannel7820 true.
@Light Worker, This is the meaning of your comment: Chromosomes are bundles of tightly coiled DNA located within the nucleus of almost every cell in our body. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes. I don't see anything that says "do something so stupid that will kill you"
How awful it must have been to listen to him screaming for help.
Even more awful to scream for help, all alone on a mountain, in pain, feeling abandoned. I wonder why he screamed, though. Why waste your breath, when you know the others are going down for help? Didn't he know that...?
@Jason Oliver Please don't doubt your own heart. Your Father wouldn't want that. He really spoke to you. We are Souls having human experiences. Your Dad will be the first to greet you. I promise. You will see him again. Don't let anyone corrupt what is true for you. I think he will try to communicate with you again.
No way he survived. Died on impact. At high altitudes your mind plays tricks...
Bit unnecessary man...
I'd be so resentful if my father left me for something more important. Oh, wait - he did. Well he missed out on a daughter he would've been incredibly proud of because she achieved so much. Without him. My Mother was WonderWoman for me - a mom as well as a dad who worked hard so that I could have the same education as my friends who had two parents. And this young lady's mom would have had to have been a very special mother as well. Blessed are the moms who are left behind to pick up the pieces and be the sole parent.
Going off and getting yourself killed on a mountain when you have a young family, is just plain irresponsible.
It's plain selfish
Probably a narcissist to begin with. Most people dont want their kids growing up without apparent and putting all the responsibilities on the other parent.
Just plain stupid.
I agree !
I would like to take the time to thank this noble hero for the selfless act of leaving his daughter with the daddy issues allowing her to open her legs to a considerable amount of men that are attracted to crazy
He lost his safety net and broke his climbing gear! "Oh well I'll keep going what the hell"
That’s what I was thinking. Just stop right there, red flags
This is my opinion, but when they say "a passion for life" and then do something that is deadly, that is NOT "a passion for life ".
Exactly, passion for risking one's life more like...
@Pete is never wrong Quelle minsomer!
Statistical probability of dying when getting into a car vs. climbing the Slipstream...
Don't worry I'll wait...
@Pete is never wrong=liar you forgot to compare it to the statistical probability of dying each time one gets into a car...
@@DLBMOS how cowardly are you to try and insult someome whos dead?
Some people are alive and some people live
I could never leave my son to go do something that dangerous. My son needs me. I wanna be their for him. I wanna watch him grow. I just couldn’t
I understand that. But dont matter what your doing. If it's your time its your time. Cant cheat death
@Pony Girl so its selfish to do something you love and enjoy.. With definition everbody on the planet is selfish
@@nickramey7450 Bet a week's salary you don't have a son or daughter.
@@tomperkins5657 418 tribble st. Seneca sc 29678. You can send your weeks salery to that address.
@@nickramey7450 Mom's basement?
For anyone commenting that the guy really heard yelling and did nothing, I'm pretty sure it was the wind playing tricks on him. The guy fell half a kilometer and had multiple trauma. He was dead immediately.
andersonhbk people have survived falling incredibly high into snow. none the less he prolly died immediately
I think so too. The poor man was injured, alone, and guilt ridden that he couldn't do anything for his friend.
He fell and got lodged ,,im sure his best friend knows his voice!
@Richie Pietro Yep yep!
They said as a result of multiple blunt force traumas - if he landed a certain way, isn’t it possible that he lived into the night? I was hoping it was his mind playing tricks but then he said when the wind was still, he could still hear him ... How do you tell people in these times that you chose to live rather than die attempting something impossible?
Judging from the comments we are all in agreement that his acts were selfish. You cannot put your life in danger when you have a family. They need you for emotional and monetary support. This is the way of a man.
@Pete is never wrong Hey this time Pete is wrong LOL
We are all human,and i know what its like to be a thrill seeker...I feel its a shame that having a wife and young child,he still decided to go into a insanely dangerous situation. We all make mistakes. This mistake not only cost him his life,it cost his daughter and wife their husband and father.
Was it a mistake, though? He made a choice to go.
@@melaniecarver5719 the choice of taking a risk was a mistake in this case. Not all choices turn out bad. This one did.
@@dwade6322 No they don't all turn out bad but you can kind of see where a choice like this might. It's like, "hold my beer & watch this" mentality. Ain't nothing good gonna come of it. Now, I know he was a mountaineer so he wasn't being reckless, but that kind of sport definitely doesn't have odds in its favor.
So sick of super-dramatic narrations. Just present the facts, let the situation be drama enough!
Lol...its their job
Sherry H. Amen!
Yeah pretty cringe
go for dark docs then :D
Sherry H. : thats the media for you...its all about emotion...facts are secondary...
Why do they keep calling his death mysterious like he walked off a cliff it's not a mystery
Ikr. His climbing partner even said that he fell to his death.
You right and that way
Maddi Holmes he floated and hovered into thin air like a seagull
Maddi Holmes Mysterious that people think this a good idea. I avoid things that have such dismal statics for completion. Not for me. God help my boys try things like this. I will chain them
Yah tbh like his friend seems so suspect, and almost like it didn’t hurt him that it happened
She grew up to be so beautiful.
There is nothing “beautiful” about it at all.. that’s something that people in these situations have to tell themselves so they don’t have to face reality. Her father, unfortunately cared more about dumb thrills than he did his family.
Ambers Lil Rose C’mon. Would you feel this way if he was a NASCAR driver? A fisherman or astronaut? Or a cop? I just don’t get all the judgment. It’s not like he was a cigarette smoking 🚬 parent or something!
@@sugaredwards6207 I've been smoking cigarettes for 25 years and I ride my bike and exercise regularly, what is your point, and I smoke pot
Oh be real ! When I was younger I would hike a lot. I'm sure that Mr.Holland had every intention to return home. Well how sad this story touched my heart but good that his body finally found. Closure for his family.
Hans Effect mmm the difference between having a risky job to support your family and doing something extremely dangerous for recreation is completely different. Your examples are comparison are way off.
He died alone and terrified, and probably full of regret.
The daughter is so very beautiful!!! May her daddy Rest In Peace ❤️
NvrSayNvr really
Yeah, perfect 10
when i celebrated the birth of my first child i also stopped riding my motorcycle
Good Father,,
Pussy
Motorcycles are not that dangerous unless you are reckless, no need to stop, just be extra cautious. He should not have stopped but be more/over cautious when analysing a climb and weather conditions.
I put a solo seat on my hd so my wife couldn't ride
@@HalfdeadRider weather conditions are unpredictable on mountains since they have their own weather. Anything can change in a short amount of time.
I’m a father of a three year old boy. You won’t catch me risking my life for thrills. Selfish if you ask me.
An acceptable moral preen, I suppose. Here's hoping your boy turns out as well as the daughter in this story did.
griz063 English please. I don’t understand beat around the bush talk
@@TstanDa-Man Every word I used is in the English Standard Dictionary, and intentionally applied.
Regrets, if what I said was beyond you. But I won't break it down unless you REALLY want me to. But dude! You had to virtue-signal off a corpse to try to make yourself seem noble!
griz063 I guess you read into things to much. I wasn’t referring to the man himself but actions taken by people. Two problems you have that you should work on in life. First is don’t read things with a built in agenda like you did my comment. Second is when you feel like your response to a comment was worth your time and energy it wasn’t. I’m going to go play with my son now.
@@TstanDa-Man
"Reading in" is something just 1 person does. Understanding Human psychology is something different than "reading in". What you offered was FULL of incontruities and things akin to Freudian slips. I didn't invent them, but simply noted what you freely offered (or felt obliged to? There's a nasty can of snakes to open!). If one wants to classify applied psychology as "agenda" that is almost surely detrimental to their long-term mental health.
Dude, you were trying to virtue-signal off a corpse! There is no "shame" one can heap on a corpse (they've already paid the ultimate price and nothing you can do can affect them); so what you "felt obliged" to offer had only 2 conceivable purposes:
1) to hurt the survivors of this tragedy who are the closest to it and
2) to try to elevate yourself in your own mind using the best available target (that this was a corpse, is dark man, dark!).
I truly hope you explore your "dark shadow" in that regard (Jung) before inadvertently infecting your son with it. If you know what's there in the darkest recesses of your soul you and those around you are far less likely to fall prey to what you know is there.
As for a waste of time? There are many many people in these forums who are looking to become all they can be even if the prime recipient is not.
Rick: Congrats on the new baby man! What are you planning on doing after the birth of your kid!
Chris: I’m going to climb a mountain!
His first responsibility was to the child he brought into this world. Thats what being a father is.
dreams of turtles yes!!!!!
It is no different than getting killed fulfilling a bucket list...most traffic accidents happen 25 miles or closer to home.
What is the difference between passing during recreation or work?
daddy issues
@@monmac7387 AGREE! Thanks for sharing this.
@@monmac7387 Passing away at work, you might be entitled to life insurance and other work related benefits. I knew two people who died of aneurysms with 6 months of each other. One died in the office and other died at home. Regardless, the company benefits helped out their families
I'll focus on this case. The family didn't know where he was and it was doing something with a high risk factor. Maybe, he should have put his hobby on hold for the mean time. After my child's birth, I drastically changed my lifestyle including dropping hobbies so I can be there for my child. It's only now that I am taking up my old hobbies but my priority is also my baby.
Maybe being a dad changed me. But, I feel sad for his family not having their father around.
Very irresponsible to engage in dangerous activities when you have a small child and a wife to support.
Hope he had good life insurance for them.
Does life insurance pay out when you willingly put yourself in danger like this?
No comment from the wife????
@@c.2538 No
@@c.2538 nope
Life insurance doesn't pay when you die while engaging in dangerous activities
The second two climbers saw the tracks separate and one head off over the cliff, and they are surprised they only found one hiker waiting for them? How many people did they think was running around up there?
I so Agree!
Narration plus the editing of this was so under par
He was blown off the mountain!!
I don’t think they were surprised. They just didn’t want to believe that the worst had actually happened until they saw it with their own eyes.
Probably hoped that the tracks rejoined, but mostly didn't want to believe the worst
I was very careful with myself when my children were young. I didn't want to leave my children orphans. If you are a parent you owe it to your children to not take unnecessary risks.
He died doing what he loved.... Too bad for his family that he loved thrill-seeking more than staying alive for them
John Publi
Heroin addicts die doing what they love too. ALL addictions are destructive and selfish at the core.
@Lesley K Luscombe If it's selfish then it's not love.
I would rather raise my daughter. I owe her that--not cool to engage in death defying sports when u have a family
This was happened to my best friend's son, Stokol.....on Everest BC. His body appeared in the middle of a empty ice lake... after 8 years. Including his camera. We searched during this time, but never could find his body....and God gave his body back to the bereaved family.
How sad but how incredible his body was found so that his loved ones could bring him home to rest in peace. (What do you mean, "Everest BC")? A similar tragedy happened to the 23 yr old brother of Canada's PM Justin Trudeau in 1998 when he was swept into Kokanee Lake by a freak, early winter avalanche while hiking w/friends in Kokanee Glacier Park, B.C. and killed. His body has never been recovered.🌹❤🌹
@@isabellind1292 everest bc probably means everest base camp in nepal
@@albrownmd Oh! Thx for clarifying...very nice of you!😊👍👍
Really, is this the same god that killed him?
How can they all smile and look happy talking about this it’s weird
It’s been such a long time, the mind can move on.
I was thinking the same thing. I’d never smile talking about my dads death.
Because it was long ago and she was young then still a toddler.. if she was like teen ager then it would be more emotional because of the times the have spent
Nothing romantic about his death. Here's a family man who should have taken better care of himself, as he had his family to think of -- and he didn't. Time to do these risky things is before you get married.
Life insurance?
Syfu dork always some chicken shit like u on comments
Idk why his wife allowed him to do this
@@dsaint9264 you mentioned life insurance yes let's hope he had life insurance I don't know what kind of life insurance people can get who have really dangerous Hobbies but I'm sure even if he left them a lot of money they would have rather just have their husband and father back
20, he was probably hardheaded and didn’t listen to her.
"He ended up being where he needed to be." I know the daughter is trying to make sense of her father's death, but he should have been there for his daughter raising her instead of climbing mountains.
For many years, I rode motorcycles, but as soon as I had a child, I quit. There were more important things to me, like making sure I would be there for my children. Now that they are grown up and graduated from college, I brought myself another motorcycle. Sometimes, adventure can wait.
It's totally a shame how people can take on a responsibility, and then just give it up as they think everyone will understand for their greed in life. It is really sad, and if there is a GOD I would never forgive this sin!
Finally a constructive positive comment! Pre Syn would you rather someone in your family die because of them wanting to do what they loved even though that ment not seeing their family anymore. AND you're saying that if someone stops riding a motorcycle, it is a sin! You're crazy sir.
Very well said.
thank you Joe, seemed like common sense was a goner!
Joe Johnson yeah you're right because it's sad but still she's seeing its beautiful he's where he needs to be he was screaming in pain in agony he suffered that's not beautiful. its 😔 but im sorry for her lost🙏
“Did he have insurance?” Father’s need to think like that. I learned that from mine.😊
So sad. Yet so irresponsible. "How beautiful that the mountain took hold of him - and ended up being where he needed to be" WHATTT? This to me is a form of child neglect. RIP
I lost interest in this video as soon as the reporter stated "He simply disappeared into thin air." Holy dog shit. Reporting at its finest right there.
+Major Rocker come on, she's a journalist. what would you expect? Mark Twain?
+Federico Riva Lol....agreed
+Major Rocker I don't get it? Whats wrong with that?
+Major Rocker It's kind of accurate. The air does get thinner as you get higher...
+Major Rocker A better phrase might have been "dissappeared without trace".
once i heard he had a family and a young daughter that did it for me. What he did was selfish and irresponsible. You just dont take those kinds of risks when you have a family at home waiting for you and depending on you to come home.
zestydude87 Don’t disrespect the dead
These guys are nuts. I wonder how much he "loved" it when he was screaming for help.
This guy should have quit his dangerous “ passion” and raised his child. When you grow up and have responsibilities, it’s time. to put away childish things. If he had done so he would have seen his little girl grow up.
James Caldwell it’s a different world for people with that kind of passion, no need to judge for that, especially as childish.
... Yes James, I totally agree with you.
Totally agree. I don't give a damn about 'judging' it's plain selfish stupidity.
@@jessehebert6679 It's childish. Period.
SixPack Shakur 2: The Revenge I disagree. We just have different opinions.
"He perished doing what he loved" ..... Like falling off a half a kilometer cliff ???? Did he really love doing that ?? I hate it when people use this term which is so endlessly flawed....
You would rather he had gotten killed by a drunk driver? Or had a heart attack?
You know completely well what the daughter meant when she said he died while doing what he loved.
+luuke furtado He loved climbing you dumb fuck.
+luuke furtado ...And Nirvana's Kurt Cobain perished doing what he loved too. Holding a shotgun
+Qwunk I bet he realized he loved his family more once he was taking his last breath . Dumb fuck.
If you want the same adrenaline rush just play Russian roulette while riding a motorcycle.
The picture of the little girl and her father playing guitar are heartbreaking.
I cant imagine how haunting it is to be his friend that heard his cries for help.
“Doing what he loved” great dad ditch your five year old kid for a suicide high! People need to get their priorities straight #orphaned
He didn’t do it on purpose!!
The man went the wrong direction because he couldn’t see! Was it a great idea to climb a mountain? No. But he had been doing it for so many years. Respect the mans death and the family.
@@name-wo2xg it was risky
We have always, and will always need explorers. Getting into a car puts you at risk. You might work with heavy machinery, you're at risk of death. Everyday. He was an experienced climber, he wanted to make it home that night but mother nature had other plans. #orphaned? Lol.. Weird
@@tommylundy2495 while you live vicariously through your Indiana Jones complex and make fun of other peoples' opinions, I'll reiterate. This man wasn't out saving lives and he in fact put others' lives in danger as rescuers now have to go attempt to save him. The orphaned child of this man has to live with the fact that her dad chose to put himself in the situation for recreational purposes knowing he might not return; no Nobel prizes for that, only Darwin Awards.
Sometimes I think it's selfish for people to do such unnecessary, extremely risky things when they have kids to raise. Get that stuff done before they're born, because IMHO you have a duty to a kid who never asked to be born to be there and raise them. She was 5, he probably missed her first day of school, graduation, walking her down the aisle, etc. I love my parents, but as the baby girl of my family, my relationship with my dad is precious to me. I can't imagine not having him to raise me, the things I've learned from him are things my mom could never teach me, and vice versa. I just feel really sorry she missed out on that because her dad decided to make a 50/50 gamble with his life, needlessly. Sad.
OK.
And what about the father who doesn't give two shits about his kids? Just pumps them out and is an alcoholic or drug addict? Or just leaves. LOTS of that going on, right? You're speaking from YOUR reality. And it's valid. But mountaineers do what they do for a reason. Just because you don't understand it doesn't give you the right to say that he died needlessly.
*****
I think we're talking apples and oranges here. If you're a person who has a very dangerous job or hobby, fine. Maybe delay or forgo having kids until you're not taking those risks anymore. And the kinds of people you first mentioned should obviously not have kids. My comment was for normally good parents who CHOOSE to take big and unnecessary risks when they have kids to be responsible for because you owe it to them to stay alive and well whenever possible.
Sorry OG but I'm not on board with that. Unless you're saying that people who choose dangerous jobs, like loggers, commercial fisherman, roofers and even cops and firefighters, shouldn't have kids. That's just not realistic, is it?
While I'm not a mountaineer I do have a ton of time spent at elevation in the wilderness, often alone, and am aware of the inherent risks. Just as I am when I get in to a car. Life is full of risks and not everyone approaches them the same way. Some people just aren't wired to "play it safe." Those risks are a part of who they are.
I just think it's really unfair to judge people for the things that drive them in life...particularly when it surrounds something that most may have no idea about the "Why's," "What's" and "How's." There may be things that you do in your own life that you find perfectly reasonable that I may not want to touch. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong but it does speak to the adage, "There are many paths up the mountain."
*****
I'm not saying people with dangerous jobs should remain childless, per se. I'm talking more specifically about people with kids who do very risky activities like Everest that have a huge death rate--as in, a 50% chance of dying- -for mostly entertainment or other frivolous reasons. How would you feel as a kid who learns at 11 or 12 that your dad knew that riding a barrel over Niagara Falls would almost certainly kill or severely maim him, but he did it anyway when you were little and now you are doomed to an entire life without him. To me, it would seem like he hadn't given a flying leap about me, and he wasn't going to let the fact that he had a kid to raise stand in the way of his fun. That is totally unfair to the child the dude CHOSE to have. This is an extreme example that hopefully illustrates my point a bit better. Things of those nature, ones that involve a high likelihood of death, done mostly for shits and giggles are irresponsible and selfish. If you know you are an adrenaline junkie who is unlikely to change, regardless, then just be a great uncle or aunt, and don't put your kids through losing you.
Life is risky, sure, so if you have kids you should minimize those risks when possible, not go out seeking MORE risk for no valid reason, because your duty is to your family first, and your inner daredevil should be sent packing, not indulged. If you don't like that rule, remain childless and have fun on the edge with your death wish. It's a lot about degrees, of danger and risk vs. reasons and motivations behind the questionable activity.
If you don't have kids, this is probably harder to truly grasp, because you don't understand the sheer size and depth of your commitment to this utterly helpless being of your creation, ànd may agree more with my points when you do. If you DO have kids, I bet we agree more than it seems because I'm not communicating my message properly.
Either way, thanks for the debate, it's enjoyable to have that without being called names or cursed at, lol!
***** Danger in the workplace is one thing but to expose yourself to danger in the name of sport, hobby etc. is selfish.
I understand a person taking great risk doing something they love but when young children are involved I think those risks should be put on hold. I don't even see room for debate on the issue .
+Richard Vert i've been on a binge of these climbing videos and the unmitigated selfishness of so many of these people astonishes me.
+Richard Vert I was about to write the same thing, Selfish people that think of themselves and not the poor child that grows up without a father and a wife that has to bring up that child on her own or with a step dad that most likely will not want her child.
+Richard Vert I've thought the same thing! A person should get all those risk takings out of their system before starting a family or put it on hold until the kids are grown.
+Ret1173 Yes, should have done all the climbs he wanted to do before having children and if they arrive unexpectedly you stop, a child is the ultimate responsibility .
If he took your advice and put his hobby on hold he would become unhappy and resentful, which increase the odds of domestic violence and divorce.
Hollands daughter is gorgeous poor baby how much she must have suffered growing up waiting for her daddy very sad
I couldn't imagine trying to deal with hearing someone yell for help, knowing it's life and death, and not being able to do anything to save them. 😭😭💔
He died doing what he loved - putting himself first.
Would you feel this way about a parent who is a scuba diver, a kayaker, a motorcyclist or a cigarette smoker? What about a parent who died fishing? Isn’t that what you do when you put yourself first? You don’t go fishing for anybody else that’s for sure. I just don’t get why all the judgment.
@@sugaredwards6207 No actually your supposed to put your kids first, and if your doing something that's risking your life, then you should stop, especially if your a parent.
Shaw A I understand your point. I’ve just never seen this rule before. Is it from the Bible? Lot sure as hell didn’t put his kids 1st & he’s like a biblical hero
Thats right....
Me first.... and my happiness!!!
Not my family... not my kids....
Not the dozens of first responders or there families...
Selfishness..... and sadness
Hans Effect....
I get what you r saying... and no!
You are wrong...
The judgement comes from the degree of risk associated with the activity... i am a T- type ...
And believe me when i can say the risks i took as a phila cop. Are way higher then anything i faced jumping out of airplanes.or shooting white water!!
But if one day, the job took me! My family was cared for.. it was while helping someone... not self satisfying thrill seeking...
And even then... once my kids came into my picture. I slowed down a huge amount... for obvious reasons...
So that is why the judgement..
Casually leaving a wife and very young daughter behind to go and play in the snow with the guys, with only a 50% chance of returning alive seems to me selfish and plainly irresponsible. It's not like someone sent him there at gunpoint.
Well, its not a 50% chance of returning alive. That was just an expression to describe the danger with climbing. The chance of survival is largely reliant on the mountaineer's skill and the conditions in which they are climbing. Besides that, why should you give up what you love just because you have a wife and daughter?
thefoolify Because dangerous and avoidable things kill as much as just dangerous things...that's why. I wonder how many people would give up a thing like climbing if is was no longer affordable to insure the sport...
think about that...
thefoolify It's cruel to not prepare family in the case where you won't return. Like the space ship Challenger, the family needs to be ready for tragedy. Don't create children to mourn for you if you plan to risk this kind of thing for a hobby. Wars do far more than enough to take parents away from their children.
Hear Hear ! I like to say to these dare devils: Stop mastrubating and start acting like a responsible human being...
And this has everything to do with everything. No logic or explanation needed.
Who would do that with a little girl depending on their existence...
Awwww is daughter is so beautiful and you can still feel the hurt.
The daughter is very understanding because his top priority should have been his family and not climbing a dangerous mountain!
Everybody is saying the same, I can understand him even if I would not take the same decision.
# She is RATIONALIZING her GREAT LOSS!!
After losing a loved one, there is NEVER "closure"! I can't stand it when "closure" is used in the same sentence with "death".
For some, there is. I lost many friends and relatives over my 28 years. Just last week, a friend of mine killed himself. I'm a suicide attempt survivor myself. Of course, I miss the people that I lost, obviously I might miss them forever. But have I moved on ? Yes. Do I let sadness overwhelm me ? No. Have I accepted the fact that they died ? I ought to, it is what it is. Is my grief debilitating ? Sometimes. Am I crying somedays ? Yup from time to time.
I will tell you this : back in December, a childhood friend unexpectedly died of alcohol poisoning at 28. I was in shock and cried for months. I didn't attend his funeral due to working commitments and because I live in Paris and he was still in our hometown. When I visited his grave for the first time, it was raining and I broke down. I was a mess. I talked to him like he was still here. As I was talking, I realized it was over. I wiped my eyes and said goodbye. The last thing I said is "I have to keep going, I'll be there soon. Rest up, brother, well catch up later !". As I left the graveyard, I began to feel relieved. Then, all of the sudden, the sun appeared and shone toward my face. It felt like he was hearing me the whole time. I felt his presence wrapped around me. I never smiled so much. And that's when I realized that I accepted. I was at peace with my pain. I was at peace with his demise. I slowly believe in this concept. This word may be hated and I understand why but...I get why people say it. It means for me, yes this person's story ended but mine continues and it has to. I buried many people but my story went on and will go on. With or without them, they're with me all the time in my heart. But grief won't be my roadblock.
Death is a door. We are eternal. We will go to Heaven if we know Christ Jesus as Saviour. If not Hell..
@@donnafranks-oldpathhome Spoiler: there is no hell. No supernatural being declared as benevolent would create such a place. BTW, your invisible friend doesn't exist, either.
@@speedingatheist I feel pity for those away from our Eternal God. 🕊When the natural body ceases to exist, we live on. Our soul does not die. We are an eternal creation or being. Look to Jesus Christ while today is the day of salvation. Merry Christmas 2019 AD, After Death and Resurrection of the only Saviour who was born ( remember , Joy to the World), to be the living sacrifice who would die to redeem His creation. Believe on Jesus Christ before judgement day. He is returning. He is coming back as the King of Kings. He came first as the Lamb of God. Please don't reject Him 🕇🕇🕇.
@@donnafranks-oldpathhome Why do you reject Zeus? Well, I'm sure you never even thought about why you reject thousands of other man-made gods. Of course, you are special because your parents told you only about the one existing god, right? Billions of people died without ever hearing about your god. Is your god incompetent or evil? Countless children with cancer dying every year? Justified punishment or evil ignorance of a omnipotent creator?
I think His climbing partner only imagined hearing him.
thelastjohnwayne me too I don’t remember exactly how far, but it was pretty far im sure that he fell. He probably died on impact wouldn’t you say ?
@PARKER THOMAS well he fell 500m if it was into deep enough snow he could have actually survived
exactly why I don't have children. My interests would make it selfish to spend time without them
A father TAKEN from her?
Not really he chose that death over his kid.
Lesley K Luscombe I mean crack addicts understand why people smoke crack- doesn’t exactly put them on a pedestal.
Why give your life away like that man
I believe a lot of these thrill seekers, Adrenalin junkies, risk takers do it to just feed their own egos...they need to consider more how their actions will affect the people who love them ...
@Lesley Wynter the truth hurts huh?
@Lesley Wynter I'm sure if he had the choice to do it over again...he would choose NOT to climb the mountain
His daughter is beautiful.
God forbid if she was ugly! Geez!!!!
"Man looks on the outside, God looks on the heart" SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave u dick
The dad was also gorgeous. Whew.
@َ ٰ no she is sexy
I wish they’d specify mountain climbers! These guys are a special level of crazy. My headmaster just died from a mountain climbing accident
You mean a passion for nature. Omg to hear cries for help and being totally unable to..🙏
very sorry he died out there all alone but this is what he chose to do and was aware of the risk. many sherpas die taking wealthy people up mountains. I'm more concerned about the poor men in these countries that must do this dangerous work in order to support their family.
apparently you missed the video- HE DIED UP THERE.
Because poor people are more valuable?
I didn't know there were Sherpas in Canada.
Yeah, this was in Canada. we don't have Sherpas lol
Mickey Bitsko “Many Sherpa die taking people up mountains.” They never claimed Sherpa existed in Canada.
They should not have gone looking for his body. They were risking their lives. Let him stay on the mountain he loved more than anything or anyone.
Best comment on this video 💯
I hate how they act like it was such a mystery what happened to him. He either died from falling or succumbing to the conditions.
Exactly what I said.. They always make these shows about mystery. Yes the mystery of finding him after 21 yrs is weird which took so long but how he died isn’t ..
Or he was pushed
RIP William, a sad tale, at the very least his daughter got closure even after all those years, many climbers loved ones don't......
He died shouting for help and his daughter said he died where he needed to be.....
I dont know what to say
Clown Master Guess, the mountain deserved him more??? 🤪 Sounds like a canned response that was brainwashed into her by her mother to make her feel better. But she was too young to get those angry feelings when he died. If she had been a teenager, she would have gotten pissed at his selfishness. IMO
@@kerrijacobi Ahell, if she'd been a teenager, she probably would have gone and died there with him.
I drove with my dad from Texas to California in July of '87 at 8 and a half months pregnant. Risky, but anyways.
this is called coping mechanism. would you rather her reveal her other feelings she's surely felt over the years about how her father was a huge idiot and the endless anger she's harbored for the fatal mistake he made? because she's felt that and every other emotion on the spectrum.
@@brandyf1932 Not the same thing, dummy.
She is comforting herself with that! Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua.
Damn the screaming from their buddy alone... Dark : (
I love hiking but not at heights....I'll never understand the need to reach a high altitude
No doubt!
Simple, ego of a fool.
The view, the the thrill, the accomplishment?
I’m afraid of heights but I can at least understand those 3 reasons
His daughter is beautiful
Hearing voices in the dark when ur all alone, what could be more creepy
I like my feet on the ground with a good book and a good drink. Just sayin'.
I just do not get this! Why do they want to do this? For one it is selfish and irresponsible by all! Poor Sherpas, they do this for Western money and honor and then at times lose their lives! It is suicidal!
I would do the same. Pretty sure both of us lack the athleticism to venture into something like this
p schaub pussy
Same I cant wrap my mind around people who risk their life for a thrill
🤣🤣 shut ur mouth
I never understand why ppl put themselves in those types of dangers especially when u have family that loves you.
The guy that said he had a passion for life ,sounds like he had a passion for death!
Lol
That was his passion
Gotta wonder why people doing DEADLY hobbies don't stop and think about those who they're responsible for. Wife and kids? No biggie. I'm doing what I love.
You drink at all? Perhaps drive cars that go upwards of 100 mph? Everythings dangerous. Dont be an idiot.
@@daltonsprinkle8936 Are you naturally stupid or do you work at it? No, I don't drink. Yes, I go faster than 100 mph all the time (I live 5 minutes from an international racetrack). I also fly home-built aircraft. But guess what? I don't have any children or other people who depend on me, IDIOT!
When you have the RESPONSIBLY for others, don't be an IDIOT!
@That Flippin Guy Did your list bring that guy back to life? Nope, not for one second.
Next time don't copy stats from the FIRST web site that comes up in your search.
@That Flippin Guy Sorry. I didn't mean to offend your trumptardism. I need to show more respect for those of you suffering with your impairment.
Listen, dimwit...Once a person commits to a family AND bring CHILDREN into this world, their job is to provide for that family. It IS NOT their job to seek unnecessary adrenaline rushes. It's obvious the man cared more about his adrenaline addiction than he did his family.
Spin away, Trumptard.
@@phillipzx3754 can’t see the other guys comments but based on just yours holy shit you seem toxic.
You don’t have to backseat every unnecessary danger when you become a parent. That’s now how i want to live my life, or how I’ll want my kids to live theirs. That’s not a good expectation to set. If you love to do something that’s high risk, but it’s fulfilling for you, do it. Maybe he was a fool and misjudged his ability or conditions. THAT would be his mistake, not the act of participating in an extreme sport.
It’s that family’s choice and none of anyone else’s business. These are decisions between the parents, if they decide they should stop then so be it. But it’s perfectly reasonable to talk about it and to have a plan for if something happens. After all, you should have a plan anyways since you could die on your drive home from work.
He didn't "disappear into thin air". That phrase was stupidly used several times; everybody knew what happened to him and approximately where he was. They just couldn't get to him. He apparently got confused, walked over a cornice, fell through, and into a crevasse. Nothing mysterious or mystic about it. Shit happens, especially if one climbs mountains, among other things. I don't believe his friend heard him calling during the night.
It’s hard to imagine lying there hearing a dying friend in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere.
That's what happens when you think you can defy death; he was pretty much aware of the risk and reward of that hobby. RIP
i would rather stay at home and play with my daughter rather than climbing Mountain ...family comes first
Climbers with kids need a punch in the face.
@Matt Kustom Kostumes, interesting point of view. Would you say the same for fire fighters, cops, construction workers? Should they give up these dangerous jobs once they become parents or spouses? I understand one is a hobby and the others are professions, however, all can put your life in danger and leave your family fatherless.
Yep. Rob Hall died on Everest when his wife was 7 months pregnant. Absolutely selfish to leave her
.....or a swift kick in the nuts.......that might keep them off that mountain, mm
Same with people in the military with kids.
@@jsmith5509 Fire fighting is NECESSARY, Cops are NECESSARY, Construction workers are NECESSARY. Climbing an extremely dangerous mountain for thrill seeking is not NECESSARY.
She’s so beautiful. So very sorry she lost her father while so young.
The price for one to pursue their most sincere passion can be so painful and daunting for those they love. How bittersweet.