Really interesting discussion here, I agree wholeheartedly with Evola’s sentiment! I believe more fundamentally this is about the importance of action over thought, and that “warriors” or “heroes” are just a metaphor. What’s really important is dedicating your life to fighting for some higher principle, living out your beliefs rather than just thinking about them. Thinking alone is worthless, except insofar as it contributes to you discovering that cause to dedicate your life towards. I think to Evola it likely doesn’t even matter very much which higher principle you are living and dying for, as long as it’s for something which transcends the self. That’s what it means to be “spiritual” in this sense, to actively experience and manifest something which transcends the individual self. This is the crusade each of us must discover and undergo for ourselves.
No one thinks on its own,we use it to justify action or inaction,both necessary at times if we wish to survive and prosper..To speak of action's priority over thought is simply to define recklessness..With all the so called higher principle of a pub brawl..
I somewhat agree and disagree with you here. It is all too easy to get stuck in your own head with your thoughts, pondering endlessly on matters which have little to no clear bearing to how you live your life, and which don’t energize you to take any actions. This is the nature of many scholarly-natured people, endlessly trying to figure out life intellectually, but never seeking to actually experience life directly and fully. And I’m not advising action without thought, letting your reckless impulses drive you. As I said, thought is useful insofar as it informs which actions you take. Ideally, I think every action should come with thought, and every thought should come with action, the two always working together and never separate. However, it’s all too easy for people of one proclivity or the other to either get caught up in their mental worlds or live life mindlessly by their impulses, one side of the equation dominating. However, while thoughts do determine your actions, it is ultimately the actions themselves which are what matters the most; they are the goal of your thoughts, the reason your thoughts should be directed towards. Thoughts are important in deciding your actions, but it is ultimately the actions (or inactions) you choose that are what matter. You will never lead a good, virtuous life through thoughts alone, you cannot think yourself into happiness. Which actions (or inactions) you choose are the only things to take into account when determining if someone is virtuous or unvirtuous. Virtue can only be won through action, which is essentially what I interpret Evola is saying here.
The warrior is closer to God than the scholars because the warrior has a close personal relationship with death. An appriciation and understanding scholars do not.🔥
Bombing men from miles away so that they cannot retaliate as Evola did as a man of the artillery. It’s very interesting that men that were in war but weren’t on the line man to man are so very much advocates of it as Evola and Nietzsche are.
Good observation, with modern technology, some fat whale can sit behind a computer far away from the frontlines, use a joystick, press some buttons and the true warrior on the ground gets taken out by a drone / missile.
For me, it feels like he means that scholars and worshippers limit themselves to intangible pursuits. The warrior must do similar meditation, but he must take action as well. In war, ideologies don’t matter. You fight for survival and for your comrades. A personal sacrifice is a greater than well wishes. The greatest love is giving everything for someone else.
The warrior, as it is meant in indigenous and shamanistic cultures and traditions, has nothing to do with war or being war-like. Carlos Castaneda/don Juan delves into this concept at length.
For the record the allied powers of World War II we're not fighting for a transcendent cause they were playing policemen for the international cartel of financiers
Ride the tiger you can see his stripes but you know he’s clean. Blessed is he who eats the lion for the lion shall become a man, cursed is he who is eaten by the lion for the lion shall become a man.
Who has more conviction? Those who die for their cause, or live for their cause? The losers or the winners? By remembering the dead do the winners maintain their cause or betray it? Do they continue their mission or do they justify their position as winners and forsake their cause?
There is no such Hadith. What the Prophet said was the exact opposite - "The ink of the scholars and the blood of the martyrs will be weighed on the Day of Resurrection, and the ink of the scholars will outweigh the blood of the martyrs" (Kinz Al-A'amal, 28715). Either Evola's memory is so heavily filtered through what he wants to be true that he made a mistake, or he intentionally distorted the Hadith. Either way, the man is an instrument of counter-Tradition and shouldn't be followed.
Depends on the cause of the warrior and the wisdom of the scholar. The Islamic warrior you mentioned, even if he "theoretically" commits an action with spiritually good results by fighting, he is not noble if his cause is to plunder, rape, or anything immorale.
Within 16 minutes you succeeded to repeat, with all those words, what we immediately understood when reading Evola's words. Also, to think Evola was the only one to hint at this, Plato and Arestotle want to speak to you. They were living life while you were analysing meaning. Most philosophers lived in ways their supposed indirect acolytes need to be initiated into. They were LIVING! Aristotle fucked all day, Camus was living it up. Only in 12:36 you come into something interesting. Would we reject paradise in defiance of the divine promise? Can we even live up to it? Yet you don't follow up on it. Show some juice mate, read some Nietzsche, Camus, Aristotle, then Kripke, Singer, Dennett. This is just weak. ''All religions wanted a noble death.'' that is the unifying factor? Even though Pagan religions want that death to be violent? What about Buddhism (however disgustingly misunderstood in the West)? Hinduism is not in compliance with this. Even within Paganist cultures they would not agree with it. If you rationalize a valorous death, it isn't quite full of valor anymore.
"To be, or not to be." That is the question. Hamlet defines the ultimate choice a conscious human being has. The rest is garbage. In fact this dilemma is the human consciousness and freedom.
@WildwoodDrive yes, I do, but this not a lesson in logic and ad hominem fallacy. Think a little and you shall see what is meant by "to be, or not to be." Hamlet's dilemma is not about going with the flow or not. It is about life and death. It is a metaphysical struggle. O anthropos ethe daimon (Heraclitus) The great individual is demonic, i.e Godlike, in the moment, when/where good and evil must be separated and established. In religion it is called despair. The common herd is the buffoon of others' opinion. The common man does not know good from evil. "All evil is ignorance." Socrates Sorry about the personal attack. I didn't mean to give offense.
Fighting for Christ - a tragic irony, fighting for a man whose movement, known originally as "the way," was at first pacifistic. MLK is still the best contemporary version of Christ and not some berserker warrior.
>at first pacifistic This misunderstands all the soteriology and eschatology surrounding Christian thought around the Incarnation, and Christian praxis. Even all the language surrounding Christ's crucifixion was always in "war" language i.e breaking the bonds of death, seizing the keys of Hades, trampling death by death etc etc., and the Last Judgement paints Christ in very explicitly "war"-like language. When taking into consideration that Christ is also identified with figures in the Old Testament that explicitly prescribe a type of war in a type of context--whether as explicit as Joshua or more "spiritually" as with Isaiah--this is also made more evident. The guy from modern times who was said to be an adulterer and a plagiarist is not the "closest example we have to Christ", though his cause may have been noble in its own right, and I wouldn't pronounce a wholesale judgement on his character. And it should be said in addition that, of course, not everyone who claims to fight for Christ is a good example of Christ, and indeed most aren't.
funnily enough the quote comes from a philosopher. Who does not likely know the Creator. Probably has distain towards people who pray. So it is illogical to believe him.
@@dgtv71so he bombed men from miles away that had no means to respond to him in any way? Closer than a philosopher but let’s not pretend he stormed trenches
@@badart3204Fuc off questioning what a man risked over 100 years ago in a war he most likely was forced to fight in as a child. Talking like that is how you earn a generational curse. Are you dumb?
Ancient Egypt, Rome and Greece are myths. Odin/Vodin/Wodan/Wotan/Wuotan. It translates as war leader, leader, in English. Root word being VOD, which is Serbian. e.g. tour guide - tursticki vodic water - voda sergeant - vodnik "Slavic", Srb Czernobog in American Gods calls Odin Wotan.
I don’t think this is a good comparison. We need the written and thoughtful word. Many times the words you speak or write or even read lands you in torture and death. I do not like this comparison.
Closer to death and then what? No one knows. There is nothing stopping anyone in your audience from going to war. So spiritual. Go To War And Find Out GTWAFO. Today, there is honor in "having the conversation" on the Tubes. Powerful stuff. Read a good book and think about it a bit and then read another one. Or go make a chair. Do something nice for Grand Papa. If done with attention sincerely it will be so very spiritual.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6 There is nothing in Christian salvation that requires warfare. Even the most basic understanding of Christianity shows us this. Nothing gets us closer than faith and prayer.
There is no greater sacrifice than one’s own life for something bigger than the person himself. That’s true faith, true loyalty and true commitment.
Well said!
Put down the pipe dude
Really interesting discussion here, I agree wholeheartedly with Evola’s sentiment!
I believe more fundamentally this is about the importance of action over thought, and that “warriors” or “heroes” are just a metaphor. What’s really important is dedicating your life to fighting for some higher principle, living out your beliefs rather than just thinking about them. Thinking alone is worthless, except insofar as it contributes to you discovering that cause to dedicate your life towards. I think to Evola it likely doesn’t even matter very much which higher principle you are living and dying for, as long as it’s for something which transcends the self. That’s what it means to be “spiritual” in this sense, to actively experience and manifest something which transcends the individual self. This is the crusade each of us must discover and undergo for ourselves.
No one thinks on its own,we use it to justify action or inaction,both necessary at times if we wish to survive and prosper..To speak of action's priority over thought is simply to define recklessness..With all the so called higher principle of a pub brawl..
I somewhat agree and disagree with you here. It is all too easy to get stuck in your own head with your thoughts, pondering endlessly on matters which have little to no clear bearing to how you live your life, and which don’t energize you to take any actions. This is the nature of many scholarly-natured people, endlessly trying to figure out life intellectually, but never seeking to actually experience life directly and fully.
And I’m not advising action without thought, letting your reckless impulses drive you. As I said, thought is useful insofar as it informs which actions you take. Ideally, I think every action should come with thought, and every thought should come with action, the two always working together and never separate. However, it’s all too easy for people of one proclivity or the other to either get caught up in their mental worlds or live life mindlessly by their impulses, one side of the equation dominating.
However, while thoughts do determine your actions, it is ultimately the actions themselves which are what matters the most; they are the goal of your thoughts, the reason your thoughts should be directed towards. Thoughts are important in deciding your actions, but it is ultimately the actions (or inactions) you choose that are what matter. You will never lead a good, virtuous life through thoughts alone, you cannot think yourself into happiness. Which actions (or inactions) you choose are the only things to take into account when determining if someone is virtuous or unvirtuous. Virtue can only be won through action, which is essentially what I interpret Evola is saying here.
Great video! We need leaders who understand this. Most of our so called modern "leaders" have only broken a sweat from snorting cocaine.
😂👏🏽
Capable * Freemen don't have a need for leaders
(Edited to read "Freemen" as i intended)
The warrior is closer to God than the scholars because the warrior has a close personal relationship with death. An appriciation and understanding scholars do not.🔥
The warrior is just a tool to make money , grow up and read some non fiction maybe .
The classical warrior, man to man is righteous. Modern warfare is something else. The way that western modern man fights war is..............
Bombing men from miles away so that they cannot retaliate as Evola did as a man of the artillery. It’s very interesting that men that were in war but weren’t on the line man to man are so very much advocates of it as Evola and Nietzsche are.
Modern war is much more mechanical than it was in the past.
Diabolical
Good observation, with modern technology, some fat whale can sit behind a computer far away from the frontlines, use a joystick, press some buttons and the true warrior on the ground gets taken out by a drone / missile.
@@Atlas_21 assasins always existed , because pussies always existed
I think he's onto what he meant, but I think it's deeper than that. I am working on how to express that. Not quite there yet.
For me, it feels like he means that scholars and worshippers limit themselves to intangible pursuits.
The warrior must do similar meditation, but he must take action as well.
In war, ideologies don’t matter. You fight for survival and for your comrades. A personal sacrifice is a greater than well wishes. The greatest love is giving everything for someone else.
Read metaphysics of war by him.
Interesting presentation, thank you!
great video G
Good stuff man
Interesting title (synchronicity). Will watch it later.
Weak must not talk let alone lead.
Which is what we have today.
The warrior, as it is meant in indigenous and shamanistic cultures and traditions, has nothing to do with war or being war-like. Carlos Castaneda/don Juan delves into this concept at length.
DO NOT ASSUME THAT I
HAVE COME TO BRING
PEACE TO THE EARTH; I
HAVE NOT COME TO
BRING PEACE, BUT A SWORD.
- MATTHEW 10:34
I let myself to be of God's both as sword as well as the pen
For the record the allied powers of World War II we're not fighting for a transcendent cause they were playing policemen for the international cartel of financiers
Ride the tiger you can see his stripes but you know he’s clean.
Blessed is he who eats the lion for the lion shall become a man, cursed is he who is eaten by the lion for the lion shall become a man.
Who has more conviction? Those who die for their cause, or live for their cause? The losers or the winners? By remembering the dead do the winners maintain their cause or betray it? Do they continue their mission or do they justify their position as winners and forsake their cause?
2:31
There is no such Hadith. What the Prophet said was the exact opposite - "The ink of the scholars and the blood of the martyrs will be weighed on the Day of Resurrection, and the ink of the scholars will outweigh the blood of the martyrs" (Kinz Al-A'amal, 28715). Either Evola's memory is so heavily filtered through what he wants to be true that he made a mistake, or he intentionally distorted the Hadith. Either way, the man is an instrument of counter-Tradition and shouldn't be followed.
There was no prophet brother. He was an invention of a second Persian regime.
I agree. Evidently, Evola is basing his claim, not on any orthodox tradition (which Guenon would have done), but on his influence from Nietzsche.
Weak hadith, not to be taken as legit.
Where the hell did you get this "hadith" from?
Horror of consciousness; ONLY on the 4th rock-Y planet from our SUN.
Depends on the cause of the warrior and the wisdom of the scholar. The Islamic warrior you mentioned, even if he "theoretically" commits an action with spiritually good results by fighting, he is not noble if his cause is to plunder, rape, or anything immorale.
Murdoch Murdoch
Within 16 minutes you succeeded to repeat, with all those words, what we immediately understood when reading Evola's words. Also, to think Evola was the only one to hint at this, Plato and Arestotle want to speak to you. They were living life while you were analysing meaning. Most philosophers lived in ways their supposed indirect acolytes need to be initiated into. They were LIVING! Aristotle fucked all day, Camus was living it up. Only in 12:36 you come into something interesting. Would we reject paradise in defiance of the divine promise? Can we even live up to it? Yet you don't follow up on it. Show some juice mate, read some Nietzsche, Camus, Aristotle, then Kripke, Singer, Dennett. This is just weak. ''All religions wanted a noble death.'' that is the unifying factor? Even though Pagan religions want that death to be violent? What about Buddhism (however disgustingly misunderstood in the West)? Hinduism is not in compliance with this. Even within Paganist cultures they would not agree with it. If you rationalize a valorous death, it isn't quite full of valor anymore.
Not necessarily! If the writer is writing despite the penalty of death for speaking out, then the writer as well as the soldier are the same.
"the ink of the scholar is worth more than the blood from martyrs" Muhammad, a.k.a. Maha-Metteya
"To be, or not to be."
That is the question. Hamlet defines the ultimate choice a conscious human being has. The rest is garbage. In fact this dilemma is the human consciousness and freedom.
@WildwoodDrive you have no depth and no understanding of moral dilemma.
@WildwoodDrive yes, I do, but this not a lesson in logic and ad hominem fallacy. Think a little and you shall see what is meant by "to be, or not to be." Hamlet's dilemma is not about going with the flow or not. It is about life and death. It is a metaphysical struggle. O anthropos ethe daimon (Heraclitus) The great individual is demonic, i.e Godlike, in the moment, when/where good and evil must be separated and established. In religion it is called despair. The common herd is the buffoon of others' opinion. The common man does not know good from evil. "All evil is ignorance." Socrates
Sorry about the personal attack. I didn't mean to give offense.
Fighting for Christ - a tragic irony, fighting for a man whose movement, known originally as "the way," was at first pacifistic. MLK is still the best contemporary version of Christ and not some berserker warrior.
>at first pacifistic
This misunderstands all the soteriology and eschatology surrounding Christian thought around the Incarnation, and Christian praxis. Even all the language surrounding Christ's crucifixion was always in "war" language i.e breaking the bonds of death, seizing the keys of Hades, trampling death by death etc etc., and the Last Judgement paints Christ in very explicitly "war"-like language. When taking into consideration that Christ is also identified with figures in the Old Testament that explicitly prescribe a type of war in a type of context--whether as explicit as Joshua or more "spiritually" as with Isaiah--this is also made more evident.
The guy from modern times who was said to be an adulterer and a plagiarist is not the "closest example we have to Christ", though his cause may have been noble in its own right, and I wouldn't pronounce a wholesale judgement on his character.
And it should be said in addition that, of course, not everyone who claims to fight for Christ is a good example of Christ, and indeed most aren't.
funnily enough the quote comes from a philosopher. Who does not likely know the Creator. Probably has distain towards people who pray. So it is illogical to believe him.
Evola himself was no hypocrite in this, having served as an artillery officer in the first world war before he wrote his books.
@@dgtv71so he bombed men from miles away that had no means to respond to him in any way? Closer than a philosopher but let’s not pretend he stormed trenches
@@badart3204 i doubt most would even dare to do what he did, so their opinion is worthless
People who pray who also engage in ungodly acts?
Yeah, they are the gold standard 😂
@@badart3204Fuc off questioning what a man risked over 100 years ago in a war he most likely was forced to fight in as a child. Talking like that is how you earn a generational curse. Are you dumb?
nice 16 mins of saying absolutely nothing.
Ancient Egypt, Rome and Greece are myths.
Odin/Vodin/Wodan/Wotan/Wuotan.
It translates as war leader, leader, in English.
Root word being VOD, which is Serbian.
e.g.
tour guide - tursticki vodic
water - voda
sergeant - vodnik
"Slavic", Srb Czernobog in American Gods calls Odin Wotan.
I don’t think this is a good comparison. We need the written and thoughtful word. Many times the words you speak or write or even read lands you in torture and death. I do not like this comparison.
Words are cheap, deeds are not
@@Thomas-xd4cx most deeds are cheap
That’s the best you got?😂
@@Thomas-xd4cx it's already over your head
Oh, you wanna dig deeper into it and analyze every single deed that can be done and judge it based on it’s perceived worth? Go for it, I’m all ears?
Closer to death and then what? No one knows. There is nothing stopping anyone in your audience from going to war. So spiritual. Go To War And Find Out GTWAFO. Today, there is honor in "having the conversation" on the Tubes. Powerful stuff. Read a good book and think about it a bit and then read another one. Or go make a chair. Do something nice for Grand Papa. If done with attention sincerely it will be so very spiritual.
Untermensch thoughts
Is this why Islam wins?
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6
There is nothing in Christian salvation that requires warfare. Even the most basic understanding of Christianity shows us this. Nothing gets us closer than faith and prayer.
TRUE
let go of your imaginary friend.
You first.
@@dgtv71 No let me first!