Opera Singer Reacts: Messmer the Impaler OST || Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree OST
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- Man. This one...The subtle hints to the Elden Ring main theme, a bit in there even has Elden Beast. What a stunning piece of music. Sublime.
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"Mongrel intruder. Thou'rt Tarnished, it seemeth. Mother, wouldst thou truly Lordship sanction, in one so bereft of light? Yet...my purpose standeth unchanged. Those stripped of the Grace of Gold shall all meet death. In the embrace of Messmer's flame." -Messmer, the Impaler
I'm know im basically parroting what others have been saying but I love how the VA makes it sound like messmer himself doesn't believe in what he's doing and just sounds like he's been saying the same phrase for perhaps hundreds or maybe thousands of years and that its only when a tarnished shows up does he start to lose his mind on what his mothers scheming
“I will not suffer… A lord devoid of light. Oh mother… forgive me. *rips out eye* Soon, tarnished. Wilt thou be taken in the jaws… of the Abyssal Serpent, shorn of light.”
@@geraldthegoose1685 He sounds so dead inside when he kills you, especially in his 2nd phase, like he has nothing left.
@@en-men-lu-ana6870 "O lightness creature... embrace thine oblivion as shall I"
nice you can copy and paste what he said in game. real original
the way you caught the radagon motifs instantly is great
Which is proving that he’s Radagon’s son
Both ost are composed by the same guy.
@@DarthMalgusSith_Lord Well heck, the fight itself is somewhat similar to Radagon in a sense, just way more fast paced. We even fight in a similar styled arena, just a circular platform with no obstructions.
@@MrCreepjothat doesn’t mean anything lmao??
@@Zach-qo1on same composer is same composer the guy is a legend both him and the composer for armored core 6 are the 2 last surviving members of the old Fromsoftware team that made armored core 1 and King Field.
The guy who composed this ost composed some of the legendary ost from Bloodborne from cleric beast to Gherman.
The amount of ACCURATE things you pick up on that is true to the lore just from the music. It’s insane how music can genuinely paint a picture of something with just emotion.
I came here to say the exact same thing, I'm AMAZED as to how much he is accurate, this is insane
Messmer is a highly tragic figure, villainous in deeds, but more a victim of his Mother, Marika, and her unbridled wrath towards those who wronged her, he is merely just her weapon, her vessel, and he hates her for it.
the DLC basically unravels the God and Demigods of the setting, all born flawed, and as their power and godliness grew, the flaw grew as well.
Marika to have never seen Messmer as anything more than the base serpent, despite his efforts to deny that part of him, so she employed him as such. Tragic character.
Apparently in japanese version it is more implied that he was very okay with the terrible things he did and that he wanted to serve Marika as well as he could and he was not the one to behead all of those statues and those were in fact his soldiers who despised Marika for abandoning them and Messmer being the only one who still had faith in his mother... Up until we kill him when he bitterly curses her.
@@AzraelSoulHunter Messmer has heavy mommy issues obviously. Everything he does is to impress his mother and prove his loyalty, in return he got painted as a traitor and was hidden away from the rest of the world.
Messmer didn't hate Marika till we beat him, and he curses her. He kinda did everything on his own for his mother's sake
How can someone be so cool and yet be such a loser at the same time.
The Lonely Demigod, Lord of the Land of Shadow.
Yes. He dies alone, cornered, forced to reveal his curse like the others. Maybe he also thought that his own mother sent us to kill him?
@@Dominik0-0 If he thought that he wouldn't be all that wrong tbh. He's just a tired, lonely man, trying to convince himself he wasn't straight up abandoned by his mother. Technically the guidance of grace is leading you to kill Messmer for his kindling in order to kill Miquella who is a threat to the current order due to his imminent ascension to Godhood.
Only in his final moments does Messmer finally come to terms with the fact he was unloved and unwanted by his mother, and that all his loyal service and reverence was directed towards a being who discarded him because he was inconvenient to keep around.
@@tibaronmagnus3672 oh my lawd you are correct I completely forgot about the true purpose of grace😭thanks
@@tibaronmagnus3672 there is also another theory that since the greater will has left and that its only the mother of the fingers that stayed, that grace that we follow is actually Marika guidance from the mother of the fingers. You could also argue that Miquella was also following the same grace and left his crosses as another way to guide those who follow him
@@tibaronmagnus3672 Marika sent Messmer off to deal with the hornsent. But she still gave him the golden Eye as a seal for the abyssal serpent. Both probably knew that he would succumb to it one day. Maybe Marika even wanted to return, to send reinforcements, etc, but her alter EGO Radagon might have not been as golden as he sounded.
After all the Golden Order was mostly his doing.. Even if parts existed before as the Lyendell Elite underneath Godfrey, Radagon was the one that brought it into the lands between. And the GO was often described as "firm", "brutish" and even a bit "fanatic" here and there. Furthermore abbreviations made by Godwyn and Miquella at first, who were fundamentalists that were said to be rather "cruel" to anything opposing the Golden Order like Those who Live in Death. Godwyn quickly changed and came together with Fia; Skeleton rights; Yay!
All that whilst Miquella seemingly embraced the other end. Most of the Fundamentalist Incantations we find were from him. And going further to the Haligtree where his Soldiers literally become sacrificial pawns.. held into obdience by a litteral slavery halo with which he literally wanted to create a whole new Order.. That word again; Order.
Everything I typed here might just be interpretation but I played through the whole DLC, likewise the basegame before, and tried making sense of it by browsing the internet and reddit. I do not think the Golden Order was as nice as it was said to be.
Which might have been one of the Reasons Marika shattered the Elden Ring. But I do not know why she didnt step in sooner..
You really hit the nail on the head saying he has nothing left and feels betrayed. Without spoiling that's exactly what's going on.
11:11 is so accurate lmao, you're so good at getting lore near accurate by just listening to the music its incredible
A testament to how well it's written
He's my favorite boss of this dlc and his theme is so intense . I really hoped you will listen this track .
Exactly. Same!
Same!
A lot of people love Messmer including me
Messmer and Midra are the two masterpiece of the dlc
The end of Messmer's theme (8:12) feels like, "You're a villain who never got a chance to be anything else. You're cursed and everyone one hates you, so forget it. Now you'll fight for yourself and no one else. You're done holding back, and if you're gonna die a villain, you're gonna go out as the biggest badass the world's ever seen."
"a villain who never got a chance to be anything else" feels like such a perfect summary of who messmer is
Emo style lol
That first sentence is the best way to describe Messmer
It's even more tragic this is how he sees himself when he is actually loved by many who followed him willingly.
@@imbrifer36 If only he wasn't bound to Marika's vengance... he would likely have been a great and just ruler, beloved by many for his character alone :(
Don't want to spoil lore or anything, but your observations are spot on!
Messmer gets references to the main theme i think first because he seems to be the first son of Radagon, and second is that he should have been the most heroic of all demi gods. But he was duped by his mother into commiting atrocities, and then abandonned, left behind. And even then, he remains loyal. He lost everything, he is hated, and yet he remains noble.
Radagon motifs all up and down this theme 💀
Like father like son. Used and abused by Marika.
@@kennyg3118radagon is marika silly. she didn't use him, she IS him
@@zach_zach5453 so is St. Trina and Miquella and he threw her away like garbage.
@@davidsimmons1744 He was shedding all he was; Marika did not.
That being said, Radagon had his own free will as he fought against Marika in the end.
@@matthewa6027we don’t know how she became a god. there is a chance she did the same to Radagon as Miquella did to Trina. then for some reason they had to be fused again.
Messmer is probably the most well designed boss in the dlc. His fight feels very fair and he’s one of those bosses the more you fight him, the more you just learn how his fight works. He reminds me of Lady Maria or Sister Freide in the way he moves around the arena and the flow of his attacks. His theme is amazing though. I love how it sounds very similar to the actual main theme of the game in the first phase. Messmer is just what every Fromsoft boss should try to be. Definitely up there with Gael, Ludwig, Artorias, and Gehrman as one of the best bosses Fromsoft has ever made
Rellana clears all of them in terms of gameplay. You could say these bosses have better story or better cutscene or you like the musik more but the gameplay is unmatched.
@@terminator6431 idk man. I felt like every time I died in Messmer’s fight, I learned something about the boss or my own stupidity and got better, and I enjoyed fighting him and didn’t really want it to end. Rellana is a good fight, but I didn’t find her as fun and as engaging as Messmer in terms of gameplay. Messmer isn’t my favorite fight in the dlc though, I just think in terms of general boss design, he’s the best in the dlc and probably the entire game. My favorite boss is actually the final boss of the dlc. I know a lot of people don’t like that fight but I just had a lot of fun with it and going in un-spoiled made the impact of it even better
Edit: also you said “all of those bosses”. I don’t know if im taking this the wrong way but do you think Rellana is better than Gael or Ludwig? If so, that’s quite a bold claim, but I respect it. I personally don’t think she comes close to those fights but I mean hey, if you enjoyed it that much, more power to you
agreed, he’s one of the bosses I never raged at because I’d always learn something, can’t say the same about Gaius
@@anabenskywalker122 good take about the final boss. Not many people think that way, respect.
I agree very much, I will say that Midra felt more fun to fight for me though. Messmer is a very close second though
I know you'll LOVE "The Promised Consort" it is such a diverse track
It, Midra and Those United in Common Cause are masterpieces.
It’s actually insane how he broke it down musically & pretty much summarized messmer’s character perfectly.😂
The dramatic end of the song really gives off the vibe of him coming to the realization that we, the Tarnished, have slain all of his forces throughout his castle, we've slain his most trusted knight, Rellana, and we've even killed his flame golems, on top of finally realizing that he has truly been abandoned by his mother.
Nobody is coming to rescue him, there is nobody left, we killed them all.
He truly is alone, desperately clinging to what he once held dear.
His own mother who disowned him.
Those stripped of the Grace of Gold shall all meet death.
In the embrace of Messmer's flame.
Me learning his moveset still: And your sister is the blade of Miquella, yeah I know...
His sister was Melina most likely
@@Bingdoodle Radagon is most definitely his father, and Marika his mother. Miquella and Malenia share the same parent(s), they are also full siblings
10:00 I'd assume it's to indicate Messmer's decent into self-doubt & tragic degradation. He was afflicted like his siblings from birth. He was given a scarseal by Marika to keep it in check yet he destroys it to use his curse against you in a last ditch effort, similar to Lady Maria. Only when he's beaten does he verbally curse Marika for using him as a vessel to do her bidding of cleansing the Shadow Realm, only to abandon him.
This lore is so tragic too. One of the best demigods alongside Morgott. You really feel for him
By far Messmer is the best boss in the dlc. His ost, lore and boss fight are all unmatched
Midra (people below are delusional)
@@timlwry Mid is in his name for a reason (I like him a lot actually, but I do prefer Messmer).
@@timlwry midra is not as fun to fight and he is easier ( at least in my experience )
Messmer: 16 attempts
Midra: 5-6
I have low frame rate, was close to beating Midra on my first try.
I would say Bayle is at the same level, but I’m biased towards Fromsoft dragons
@@charleswright8294you will NOT call my goat mid
The chromatic descending notes/chords in the end section are so strong. They shouldnt fit, but they do, and they give a real sense of "falling" down, never being able to get up again. Like Messmer in exactly that moment, after he unleashed something he could never bury again.
This comment!!! It really does have a sort of spiralling feeling, like the loss of control and the flurry of held back emotion for so long
7:46 that's literally part of Radagons Theme, is incredible how you absolutely killed it with how you can know the lore and everything, how you nailed that Messer is related to all the red heads, specially Radagon, how a song can tell a story by just listening to it
"If that is like a Whopper, than this is a Double Quarter Pounder with cheese"
- MarcoMeatballs
Mesmer's theme is a cool spin on the Radagon theme to make something intertwined, but new and fresh.
Messmer and Midra carried the DLC for me, exceptional bosses and OST’s
you're forgetting Rellana, Dancing Lion, Bayle, and Romina
@@BlacklistedSoup god forbid someone have an opinion
@@Apathetic2624 damn dude I was just saying other good bosses
@@BlacklistedSoup I agree Dancing Lion is good but Romina is the worst down there with hippo and gaius and Rellana is also nothing compared to others like Bayle, Messmer and even Midra, like they just pop up from nowhere, they are literal nobodies. No environmental story telling, no dialogues about them, I don’t even know why Romina is a remembrance boss like we get absolutely zero cutscenes or anything. She’s just an annoying butterfly lady which I am tired of at this point. I had to mute both of their soundtracks because I remember cringing out mid boss fight😂
@@BlacklistedSoupThe Dancing Lion was horrible to fight, I could barely understand what was happening on screen most of the time.
And don't get me started on the deathblight one, I'm convinced the intended way to fight that one is from range and not even going down into his arena.
The beginning drums match up so well to his introduction cut scene when he says his lines, it was really impactful when I first played.
Feels almost tragic, lore wise he is taking this massive weight from his mother waging a whole war on her behalf and the fact he's been essentially abandoned by her because she fears him and what he is has a tragedy to it.
Another person who was analyzing this piece came to the conclusion, that the restrainedness in the first part is messmer holding something back more so than being backed into a corner, also having lots of uncertainty, tragedy and a sense of duty that must be fulfilled at all cost.
The amount of thematic and character respective accuracies you are able to infer from the dynamics, texture, and expression of the piece is truly notable. Above all of your descriptions surrounding the context of the piece, however, the insight you provide which I agree with and love the most is the use of the word "desperate" when describing the finale of the piece: Messmer's final stand. Being born the imperfect and curse ridden child of the perceived "perfect" god of the falsely claimed "perfect" order, Messmer is taught to loath his innate impurities, his self consuming fire and inner-abyssal serpent. Out of fear of her own child, Queen Marika chose to pluck out both of his eyes and implant a false prothetic in his right socket, that of which was imbued with holy properties capable of suppressing Messmers natal curse. Further along in Messmer's life, Marika sought an opportunity to purge the world of her most ancient enemy by using her accursed son to lead a genocide massed as a holy crusade. While not being stated, it can be inferred that while Messmer was ordered to spearhead this genocide in private by his mother, influenced to undertake this mission to win the much sought after approval of his mother, Marika, to keep face, publicly denounced this crusade. Not just using her loathed son as a tool for war, but also effectively ostracizing Messmer from his home. Making him appear as a cruel monster to the public that either loathed him for his innate curse, or never knew of his existence due to his mother wish to keep her impure son from her subjects to save face. Regardless, Messmer would carry out his mothers ruthless crusade, and nearly wipeout an entire population for the approval of his monstrous mother, only to be secreted away by his mother in The Land of Shadow, never to be seen again. Left in this obscured limbo, Messmer would have nothing to accompany him other than the festering doubts and anger regarding his mothers ultimate betrayal for an unknown amount of time; Messmer could've been stuck in the Land of Shadow for hundreds of years before the tarnished puts him to the sword. Moreover, to add the final bit of misfortune to Messmer's already tragic story, at the end of his life, he encounters the player up in his lightless chamber at the height of his shadowy fortress, which to him is now more akin to a prison. Viewing the guidance of grace within the tarnishes eyes conveys to him that this creature, a being which is just as much as imperfect as him if not more so, is the chosen consort of his mother, the one to succeed his father as the next Elden Lord. He understands this truth while knowing his own experiences: all the torment and neglect he's shown through his life because of his impurities which he had no power over. Soon, after he is overpowered by the player, much like lady Maria from bloodborn, Messmer is forced to resort to the very curse which haunted him his whole life as a final well of power, and as perfectly stated in the video, desperation is one of the only things Messmer has left, and soon he doesn't even have that. Messmer's life is a tragedy, and he is forced to take on the role of the Devil in the story so his mother can maintain the image of God. At least that's how I see it.
“Direct thy maledictions, thine ire, and thy grief towards me alone”. - Messmer.
The fact the entire crusade was "justified" by culling the graceless and unworthy of the order, only to see the chosen consort of his mother is a graceless tarnished. The entire reason for the crusade was made irrelevant and pointless, it wasn't a holy crusade to purify the golden order it was a genocide of hate and revenge. He did all of this for nothing. What a slap in the face it must of been to see you.
There is quite a lot of what you said is just a speculation (Marika plucking out BOTH of his eyes like?? what?), but I appreciate the input nevertheless.
@@padrenuestre Ya, bits of what I said are just inferences like both eyes being plucked out. Messmer’s remembrance uses the singular “eye” yet I find it odd that he would never be depicted with the other eye visible if he still had it, of course this could just be because of the significance his natal eye would hold regarding his curse, but again that’s just speculation.
Messmer is probably my favorite DLC fight, the music, the combat, the lore everything is perfect. This is one of those fights where I wish he actually had a full 2nd health bar because it was so epic
Messmer was actually the first born of Marika, before she ever even ascended to godhood and the connection to Radagon and all the redheads would be that Marika and Radagon are the same person and Messmer was like an older brother to Radahn. All Messmer ever wanted was to be Marika's hero, he took up the crusade against the tower dwelling people who basically genocided Marika's (and therefore Messmer's) people and when the Golden Order forsook him because the crusade was getting to violent and bloody and it was making them look bad, he kept going and took all the people's hate onto himself. The boss fight is what really sends him over the edge. Years of being disconnected from his mother when she was trapped within the Erdtree just to see the Tarnished, someone nameless and lightless, stride in. He had made his peace with the fact he sacrificed his place by his mothers side for their shared revenge. But we were able to be by her side, without scorn and he saw injustice in that. He pulled out the seal Marika had planted within his eyesocket and let the Base Serpent consume him entirely, only realising as he fades away that the seal was the last effigy of his mothers love and he threw it aside. Truly, one of the most tragic characters FromSoft has made.
I’d like to add that his last words were cursing his mother, showing he cast aside her love on purpose
Fun fact: both Lady Maria and Messmer, possess the key item required , in order to progress in the main quest of their respective DLCs. If a boss will have its face attached to another Fromsoftware DLC title, you know the rule.
The way you describe messmer at the begining (backed into a corner, what have i done, etc) is EXACTLY how the maliketh theme makes me feel
I think scadutree avatar's ost is really underrated. You should hear it
FCK THAT FLOWER👿
agreed
only if the boss wasn't horrible and dogsh lol
@@usernamelegend345 yeah xd
@@usernamelegend345I mean, the fight is a bit wonky, but with the right weapons you can kill it quickly. Also, summons tend to get a bit confused when it moves too far, and will probably be zoned easily by it, so they are not very helpful here.
But personally i beat it relatively easily (4-5 tries IIRC) by hitting the head with a heavy weapon.
Its truly impressive how you glean the subtext and lore just by analysing the songs themselves with knowing very little about the actual game scenes itself. You did it with Bayle and Midra so well too. Really speaks to how remarkable this music is
Spot on with the lore, just from the soundscape! That's impressive.
literally how do you keep getting it so on point
I've been awaiting this reaction! I love your reactions and detailed takes on music!!!
One of my favorite tracks in the DLC, made you feel like you were truly dueling with a fiercesome Demi-god, very fitting for Messmer! If you haven't listened to it already I think you are going to love "The Promised Consort" such an amazing track and a beautiful call back to an amazing character! Second phase is absolutely breathtaking as well ❤
Edit, a little spoilers of who Messmer is down here(or at least how I perceive him) so stop here if you don't want to spoil yourself: your analysis of second phase was very close to what is going on in the context of the fight, although it's less fire raining down and more of his other defining aspect, serpents, but he does indeed get desperate and let loose something truly blasphemous, IMO I think even though Marika is his mother their dynamic is meant to be a mirror of Rennala and Radagon, with a mix of Godfrey post-banishment, to explain Messmer was essentially Marika's weapon in the Shadow Realm(not too surprising considering how she treats her other children), her people were persecuted and tortured by a group called the Hornsent(people with aspects of the crucible, it's why Marika hates Omens so much), so in turn Marika had Messmer launch a Crusade on them, which after Marika closed off the Shadow Realm and in turn her son Messmer from the Lands Between, became an all out war with Messmer and his army torching anyone and everyone who stood against them. I think the sadness from this theme comes from Messmer's love of his mother despite her abandonment of him, culminating into him letting loose his TRUE power in phase 2 to wipe out who he perceives as yet another enemy of hers(us), with his whole "O Mother, forgive me" speech, just like Malenia we are essentially to first person to have Messmer meet his match which is the desperation feeling of the theme especially phase 2
the second half feels like "let´s go tumble down the infernal staircase to hell together, You and I, for there is no hope for either of us, enjoy the ride and hold on tight!"
I can't expressed how deeply impressed and happy I am from you noticing Radagon's motifs scattered here and there in the song. I was probably on my umpteenth attempt on him when I realized "wow this song really reminds me of another, but I can't put my finger on it"
A child of Marika, a son who wanted to make his mother proud, abandoned, forgotten, and forced to die alone. The lost demigod lord of the realm of shadow.
I absolutely adore the nods to Radagon’s theme in Messmer’s song, the usage of leitmotifs in the DLC is nothing short of amazing.
My favorite boss in the game by a mile, everything about him is top notch and it’s all just enhanced with his fantastic song.
The final minute of the 2nd phase is just pure bliss, I love the way the brass is set up giving the illusion that it’s eternally descending on pitch, awesome boss.
Awesome analysis as always, I've been binge watching these
Mohg did nothing wrong
Thanks undead 🫶
We still miss Elden ring abridged
I shouldn't be at this point, but I still get shocked just how much story you correctly deduce from the music. It really speaks to your incredible understanding and just general talent (and the amazing composers too).
I'm sure many other people will give far more comprehensive and concise lore times so I'll just briefly talk about how I think about the motifs.
The final battle theme is split up in the dlc. In the base game the final boss is that final climatic moment and we see the main progenitors of the world's current state and era all together in the Erdtree. Their actions made so evidently apparent. But in the dlc, we learn more of each characters motivation and this is shown in the music as well.
In the beautiful shaman village, we hear the harp (i think?) from the beginning of Elden Beast's theme as we come across Marika's empty home village, where all her people are long gone. They were abused and tortured by the hornsent which led to their genocide (which marika instructed messmer to do), does this justify the original sin? No, not really, Marika starts to regret it herself but it does reveal the reason she went in the direction they did.
Even Elden Beasts motivation gets revealed in the dlc although its kind of haunting. The greater wills guidance is long outdated and all the fingers and Elden Beast themselves are lost and rely on the guidance they once had, even if its now inaccurate. We see the branches these decisions make and the root reasons of why, the law of regression and causality as Elden Ring would say.
It all plays into one of the games biggest themes about change and order and that no one person or one big decision will fix the world. It is our burden to provide light and warmth to each other, this is what defines Ranni's ending as they expunge the all the cosmic holiness away from everyone and make the world innately 'colder' and relies on the people to make their world.
This is also the critical flaw of Miquella's plan, they attempted to remedy the original sin and those subjugated in any order by providing light and care to everyone equally and they sacrifice everything for it, but in the end they fail and join the cycle like Marika did in the attempt to fix the world in one great act.
Anyways after that ramble I can't wait for you to get to the Promised Consort, its my favourite theme in souls and its from my favourite boss although I have no clue how you'll react to the music. Great video, hope you have a good day!
I am very new to your channel and appreciate your videos. The way you describe original sound tracks is very much the way I look at paintings and drawings (I am a visual artist for a living), and it is so cool to see that approach within the context of music. Amazing work!!
Thank you for making these! I had no idea how much characterization you could fit into just the soundtrack before watching your videos. Really gives me a new appreciation for the music!
I've been waiting for this! I love the horror and terror in second phase
its kind of amazing how much effort is put into these soundtracks to be able to tell a story with it that most people wont be able to discern. Like, the fact you can be as accurate as you are by just listening to the music is nuts.
I played in band in highschool but ive never studied musical theory or history. I would never be able to pick up on these more specific story beats just by listening to the music alone.
MOST people are not going to know or care about how these pieces contribute to the story of these characters and yet the composers do it anyways and clearly its successful considering you more or less have the story down.
the music itself is telling us things about these characters we simply wouldnt be able to gather by simply reading dialogue or item descriptions. Lore theorists should really start commissioning help from people who understand musical theory to be able to draw even more out of these characters. At this point in fromsofts career it seems imperative.
It’s always so impressive how on point you are as far as lore goes
What I love most about this DLC is how it reveals just how human these Gods and Demi-Gods really are. All powerful, worshipped by thousands, everlasting, but dealing with the same struggles as everyone else. Ultimately leading to their demise. Marika’s lust for revenge leading to her death, Messmer’s hatred towards his mother Marika while trying to be obedient but eventually tossing everything aside refusing to be used anymore. Who would think that a Man could pity a God.
I’ve been waiting for this
a sublime ost as usual, with great reaction and explanation! goosebumps
Outstanding boss, and difficulty outstanding atmosphere and arena, outstanding lore and story, badass cutscenes and visual design, and of course - a piece of music that imo is one of from’s best
You are spot on. What a great analysis
You are always so accurate with the lore and its amazing how music alone is able to tell a story. What a beautiful track. As intense as it is, its also so sad and lonely... At the very end, messmer truly had nothing left and died alone
The transition to phase 2 with the chorus and Messmers voice lines gave me the best chills ever. Probably my favorite moment in the entirety of Elden Ring and the DLC combined. Just... *chefs kiss*
Man coming back and watching this after beating the DLC and watching some lore, you're fucking awsome at telling story queues or figuring out the lore through song. Along with making me realize how much more thought fromsoft puts into music tieing into lore beats or themes of the characters
"Direct thy maledictions, thine ire, and thy grief towards me alone."
I always get amazed on how you get to read important aspects of the characters just by listening to their soundtracks
I was waiting for this Marco!! 🤩😎🗿
It's genuinely impressive how you managed to precisely dial in on so many aspects of Messmer as a character just from the score. Nice video!
Messmer is my most favourite boss and lore-wise character
i have been watching marco’s videos for quite a while now, and im honestly really starting to get fond of this yt channel and the dude himself, he just feels like an intelligent content creator and guy in general, which is great!
I try! and appreciate it.
I love how well you coin the characters. It would be cool to see you react to the fight afterwards, and see how accurate you were.
Your ability to accurately pick out what's going on and how it pairs with the boss without knowing/playing the DLC at the time, is both a testament to how well they are making the music and how great and vast your musical knowledge is, which astounds me, well done.
For me this theme was struggling, like it couldn't decide between whether it was dangerous or tragic. And that pretty much describes Messmer as a character. He is both. He's done monstrous things, but arguably all of it was completely justified. And his rewards for the completely selfless acts he acted out on behalf of Marika for which he took complete responsibility, were abandonment. He is absolutely at wit's end.
Once again a phenomenal breakdown.
was waiting for this one great ost and super fun to fight also
I love Messmer, his music is great, one can feel his feelings through his music, he is an abandoned son, he can only follow the path that his mother gave him, follow the will of the mother who abandoned him, do the will of his mother is the only path he knows in life
And what’s so amazing is that everything you’ve said was spot on that’s so wild
By just one single linstening, you covered almost everything about Messmer . You are truly talentued 👏
So impressive how you nailed the character! I hope to grow this familiar with music theory
Ah, finally, Messmer, now my favorite Elden Ring character. It's amazing how much you was able to tell about him just from music alone. Everything you said is so spot on.
''Soon, Tarnished. Wilt thou be taken in the jaws of the abyssal serpent, shorn of light.'' By the way, great analysis of the OST bc you actually hit a lot of points of Messmer's character
really loving your emotional perspective
You're good at what you do.
thank you. I feel blessed to share.
Messmer's theme definitely is one of my favorites in the DLC and his whole fight and design, too. He really got that f'ed up Radagon theme going.
Also wanna recommend Metyr's theme because it's one of the more unique themes from the DLC.
You are stunned by the music? I'm stunned how you described Messmer just by hearing the music. But indeed I got a feeling that this DLC OST are, somehow, more detailed and clearer about what's happening in the fights. Love how this OST got the forbidden vibe and in phase this forbid is released. Love the video!
Its amazing how can you tell the lore of a character based on the OST. At 5:04, it sounds somber because in the game where you first meet Messmer, he speaks without emotion, in third person perspective, just like he was reading a mantra script from Marika, for like a thousands of time when he was waging the holy war for Marika against the Hornsent. In a second half, there was a pause because of the transition into his serpent phase, where he broke the Marika's seal and felt more liberating to be his true self. It wasnt heroic, it was tragic moment of the abandoned demi-god, who is depicted as the sin / shadow aspect of Marika (compare to Radagon - the light / golden order aspect of Marika). This is probably why the OST is intertwined with Radagon's motif.
Fromsoft really pops off when it comes to their DLC music. A large number of my favourite tracks are DLC ones. The composers need a raise for sure
always great to see marco perfectly guess everything about the boss just from hearing the music
As always, you are spot on!
Messmer is the son of Marika/Radagon. So this is where the link to the main theme lies, that also plays during Radagons fight!
He also got abandoned by his mother in the shadow realm, as a cursed demigod, which makes him probably the most tragic of Elden Rings demigods.
Keep up the good work, marco!
If Messmer is indeed a broken individual who is backed into a corner, it actually kind of lines up with the theory that, Messmer is a victim of his Mother's (Marika) crusade. Marika began her age by basically extinguishing anything that opposed the Erdtree. In the Realm of Shadow, Messmer was tasked with destroying livelihoods and cultures that existed before the Erdtree. Perhaps he feels guilty in a way.
It is incredible how symbolic the music is!
I never really noticed the use of the Elden Beast theme in this track!
Knowing who Messmer is, now, and what he has gone through, you can REALLY hear the sadness and the “want” to prove his worth as the discarded, betrayed, and abandoned son of Marika.
This whole game is a masterpiece! ❤️
I love the lore Marco digs up just by listening to these themes. He’s almost always completely on point. And he confirms unwritten lore that others find in different elements of the game. Well done to FromSoftware for making such a coherent yet subtle narrative.
If you ever noticed. All the demigods who are born under Radagon have a slight musical undertone of Radagon's theme in his final fight. Almost like it's telling you who is pulling the strings or influencing their actions and motives
I'm excited to see your analysis of "Radahn Consort of Miquella" ost! Absolute masterpiece!
This is my second favorite ost from dlc, after dancing lion.
Man I love 2nd phase ost so much 😎
he music gives me a sense of reluctant determination followed by realization which is followed by regret and helplessness. and the brutality..well u it is for messmer and towards messmer as well. his lore perfectly encapsulates that
Godamn this channel is crazy, you really understood everything about Messmer just listening to the song, you could almost become a theorist by OST alone damn
"Mother... Marika... A curse upon thee."
This is my second favorite theme in the dlc only behind Romina’s. Messmer is probably also my favorite character from the dlc. Such a great tract and character.
you should listen to the putrescent knight ost, its hauntingly beautiful
Yes except it should not be a boss fight theme at all
@@Dominik0-0 i disagree, it fits the theme completely, the knight being an ever-decaying skeleton that found solace in St. Trina’s nectar, the ost is so tranquil it could lull you to sleep, makes sense no? Given St Trina’s nectar grants you eternal sleep.
@@playboy1212ful yes I completely agree that it FITS the boss and St. Trina. But it’s just not a good theme for a FIGHT you know? For example, Messmer’s and Bayle’s theme are what I would call true boss fight music
And yes. The problem is basically that we could literally fall asleep to the music, we sometimes can’t even hear it mid fight😓
@@Dominik0-0boss themes don’t always have to be intense, I mean just listen to Rennala’s theme or the abyss watchers from ds3. They’re hauntingly beautiful and befits the characters
"How have I allowed it to get this far" is truly the epitomy of Messmer.
You and Davi Vasc are the best OST reactors on YT atm. You guys don't just listen and ramble, you actually catch onto the fact that there's a story being told by the music and can extrapolate that to us, as viewers.
Thank you!
Messmer definitely felt betrayed by Marika and the golden order he gave his everything only to be sealed away into the land of shadow. He also probably just wished he could’ve been like radagon so he could carry on his will. Assuming that’s his father. The 2nd phase also sounds like acceptance of his true monstrous self and acceptance he’ll never be beloved or accepted into the golden order as he wants.
It could be argued that the theme is not actually Radagon's but belongs to Elden Ring itself as a thing, a concept in the lore. So what we are hearing here is Mesmer as a part of a way bigger whole.
*O' lightless creature, embrace thine oblivion, as shall I.*
But to me, the start of phase 2 really sounds like you're getting chased and you're scrambling to escape, and it's like *OH GOD ITS COMING*
Bro about to pass out on Consort and Miquella's themes. Also Shaman Village theme...
I love Messmer's lore and story. He is broken, but that part of him that remains unbroken.... the true Abyssal Serpent tangled within his soul... it slithers through and makes itself known. "I AM Messmer" it says. And in the end he is liberated from the expectations and the vitriol of having to be a pawn in Marika's game. He is the scapegoat villain... the tragedy... the man who could have been a leader for all turned into a force of destruction and evisceration... The desperation of being placed in this situation and the fatigue of perpetually being in it with seemingly no escape. The indignation of a mongrel intruder being a tarnished... The realization of who he is... what he is... what he has lost... and the fact that there is nothing left for him to lose anymore.... only pained freedom and acceptance from this point on.
It is one of my favorite pieces of lore in all of Elden Ring.
As someone with adhd I've always get obsessed with ost of tv series and most importantly videogames but never had anyone to talk about it. I've never had any musical theoretical education, but still, I've always noticed emotional and narrative connections between the music, the characters and the story, but I've never been able to express that with anyone. I just knew that music makes me feel something. That makes me appreciate these videos so much, because it not only helps me to materialize what music makes me feel, it also makes me think that someone feels the same too. Love your work (:
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