What happened to Italy's Skyscrapers?
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
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800 years ago Italy had skyscrapers, what happened to them?
00:00 - 02:31: Intro
02:31 - 04:15: Italy in medieval times and Bologna now
04:15 - 07:17: Chapter I Vendetta
07:17 - 08:41: Chapter II Rise
08:41 - 12:19: Chapter III Fall
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"Mr. Berlusconi! A second Bugatti hit the second Tower."
* a second Leonardo da Vinci's self-made helicopter
Buratti is french
@@matteorossi1172
1. That's the point of the joke, that a foreign terrorist used a foreign car.
2. Bugatti is Italian anyway. The founder, Ettore Bugatti, was literally Italian and formed his automobile company in Alsace-Lorraine in 1909 (which was not even French at the time).
3. The Bugatti brand isn't even fully French TODAY because it's still a subdivision of Volkswagen (German brand).
@@NovikNikolovic my bad
the joke was fun, the rest of your responses was pure aids
Even if it was less than 100, for a peasant who's probably never seen a third floor it'd be absolutely mind blowing
If he’d never seen a lighthouse then yes
don't know
remember that the skyscrapers only ever became possible due to one invention, the electric elevator.
Before that they were limited to about 6 floors, anything more was useless cause nobody would want to live that high up
@@istoppedcaring6209 I don't know about that. There are a bunch of buldings that had more than 6 floors before the invention of the electric elevator. For example the Torre dei Conti which originally was about 50-60m (164-196 feet) tall and probably hat 8-9 floors. My university has a bunch of buildings with more than 6 floors and I often just take the stairs, it's not that terrible. Especially considering that most people back then didn't work office jobs all day and were used to just walk places.
That's said, the invention of the elevator surely made tall buildings more common. Although some would argue that skyscapers are kinda bullshit and we shouldn't build them anyways and many skyscapers today have problems getting rid of all the poo.
@@istoppedcaring6209 unless you have a bunch of slaves to turn some gears and make a human-powered elevator!
Unless they ever climbed a tree or went up a hill..
I visited Bologna last year and wondered this exact thing, the images online didn’t make sense to me because a skyline that vast would have surely dominated European consciousness and imagination, and yet it had been largely forgotten. Whilst it’s undoubtedly impressive for the time, I’m glad you put the towers of Bologna in their regional context and explored the sources behind these claims
These towers aren't actually skyscrapers. They were just ornamental bell towers and most of them didn't even have bells because they were built purely for visual appeal. They were empty and nobody lived inside them. In the time before elevators nobody wanted to live inside a tower because climbing 200 or 300 stairs multiple times a day is a pain in the butt. There was no water up there either so people would have had to carry buckets up the stairs too.
You’re totally underestimating the power of human collective forgetfulness and overestimating the power of memory. Just so anywhere in southern Italy and it’s absolutely ridiculous what was left and forgotten until recently is not still
Just so we're clear, it is believed it only took 3 generations for Brits to forget that Rome had built the roads in Britain. It just didn't get talked about and taught to their kids. If America fell (well, if all civilization fell, lol), my kids *might* teach their kids about the government and the highway dept, but unless specifically asked, I don't see why they would.
@@Novusod Then they served some other purpose. Maybe they were docks for zeppelins.
they would have had enough structural engineering knowledge to figure out they start falling down if they're made of stone
Finally, a science channel that explains the given question in about 10 minutes. I got so tired of sci-pop channels making 50-minute videos talking about something that can be explained in 5 minutes.
So your happy with it being twice as long as it needs to be?
@@SD-vy7gjHe's happy that they're 5 times shorter than they usually are
Isn't this the same? It dragged for 10 minutes what it explained in 10 seconds at at 11:10
Poor attention span
Omg not a content creator creating content crazy idea go read some research the work of researches if you want something simply just explained this guy took a question with a 10 second answer and gave you a 12 minute one because he added more he made content so when someone takes a question with a 10 minute answer and takes 50 minutes it's because there making content and they are not researchers not that they don't do research but there goal is to turn what's out there into more not just read it out loud so smooth brain understand
Damn i think i waa there in assasin creed
Same :)
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San Gimignano was in Assassin's Creed 2
I saw it in assassins creed after being there on a schooltrip and had the exact opposite feeling😅
That would be a very interesting game, @@AbelTajima-mj5yx
this feels like a legit historical television programme
great work
Tower Papa: It's 1269, jet plane not reale, it's not gonna hurt yo
Tower babino: Che c*zz! Mama mia! It's Da Vinci's flying machine!！
This is the videos goal so it’s winning 🎉
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No way! LORENZO was my lecturer!
Also....man I wanna marry these 3d animations holy sht
Whuuuut no way haha
Fellow Lancaster alumni here, great to see the uni getting good publicity.
Mostly flawless English, although his pronunciation of 'countryside' was a little off. Country and county had very different sounds :)
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This kind of structure is called casatorre or casa torre, and was very common in Italy. In Florence, for example, there are still 50 case torri "scapitozzate", that means shortened, the original height was around 50-60 meters). Some of them were reduced for various reasons, but in the end, when one family (Medici) took control of the city, imposing their rule, all of them were reduced for political reasons. If you walk around the town, the former towers are pretty easy to spot.
I've read somewhere that these towers were built in vertical to avoid taxation, which was based on land surface.
The nobility must have seen this happening and just thought like, alright, that's pretty cool. Respect dude
Sounds plausible considering it's what happens with buildings nowadays. Should be careful when trying to project such ideas too far back or forward though.
"Avoiding taxes" and "fertility cult" is what historians say when they do not know the answer.
Wasn't that the reason why Manhattan also started making skyscrapers?
Lack of space and taxation?
"Work smarter not harder"
Bologna is probably the most historically interesting city in Italy that is not popular among tourists.
Also, this video and the towers reminded me of Assassin's Creed 2.
such an amazing game
Got pickpocketed 50 euros as I was paying for a train ticket there…
It also has the oldest running university in the world.
Bologna the gayest city
@@frawgeatfrawgworldyeah unfortunately it's full of "colourful" people if you know what I mean
A few minutes into this video and i really hope you one day make a video diving into the Kawloon walled city. I honestly wish it was still around. It's fascinating how people built that over time in any way they could. No regulations, safety measures. Just necessity. If people could see it today they would legitimately think they were in the lower levels of the world of Blade Runner..
My friend Neo already made the best video on this topic, go check it out!
@@ThePresentPast_ oh I've seen that! It really is an amazing video on that topic. Both of you guys make such awesome quality content. I'm always interested in seeing what you upload. Keep up the great work. Glad I found this channel
The entire reason it existed was because of the fact it used to be a Chinese fort which people then squatted on, then China claimed to control that specific area. The British colonial government left the area alone, then after a bunch of treaties and other diplomatic agreements, and the handover of Hong Kong, the Chinese let the British deal with the Walled City
(This might not be accurate)
There was an arcade / shopping centre in Tokyo that was made to resemble the Kowloon Walled City, but it closed around the time of Corona.
@@worldcomicsreview354 Wasn’t that around 2010?
The only place where you can still see how a medieval Italian town looked like is San Gimignano, the towers are still there.
But it's really a shame that Bologna which had more than 70 and Firenze which had 150 towers no longer have them😢😢😢
They'd be the most spectacular places ever
Umberto Eco (Italian Intellectual) would probably have called on the French thinker Baudrillard to describe this progression from representation to representation and simulation to simulation until we reach a simulacra, or a replica of a thing which never existed
It's kinda like a telephone game
Also some south German cities copied this trend from the other side of the alps. But similarly they were mostly torn down, shortened or the cities were bombed. Only Regensburg, has a large number of Towers with 2 in their original height
I've found this page about the european medieval towers, very interesting de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschlechterturm
A terrible amount of old buildings were wrecked due to bombing during the war. Disappointing to say the least
@@OffGridInvestor In a few hundred years people will forget about the atrocities of the Axis (and the Allies) just like every other centuries-old atrocity is irrelevant to us. But the US military bIowing up historical architecture, many intentionally, will not be forgiven by historians.
@@realtalk6195 The nazis also destroyed a bunch of historical buildings, it was just a consequence of the war (started by the nazis). Like soldiers of both sides would use old buildings as hideouts and then those buildings got bombed. The Nazis also destroyed a lot of old architecture in France during the occupation just to humiliate the French and take away important symbols of their history and culture.
@@realtalk6195
The Krauts started it (because they were "just following rules" or "doing their job") and so the Krauts pay for it.
The census by Gozzadini was based on ancient cadastre records. Therefore he did indeed double or triple count towers that changed name due to the change in ownership but were actually the same building. Moreover, not all towers he counted existed at the same time, as many collapsed or were demolished even in the middle age.
Molto probabilmente le 300 torri censite erano in realtà un centinaio, 24 delle quali ancora esistenti.
Molte di quelle più antiche e basse furono inglobate nei palazzi che col tempo si ingrandivano e probabilmente, essendo alte anche poco più di 20 metri, non venivano considerate tali.
Lorenzo’s combination of posh RP and Italian inflections makes for a very interesting and unique accent
“Cowntry sayid” ;)
It almost reminds me of a German one but not exactly
Bologna! My favorite city in the world! I have never fallen in love with a city like I did with Bologna.
It is such a nice town!
Absolutely, we visited last year.
It is the most vibrant city in all of Italy and probably all of Europe.
its beautiful i visited it not too long ago
Lived there for 3 months and absolutely loved it. The culture of the city is so beautiful and so different from the rest of Italy.
You can finally watch Bologna in Champions League next season.
I just have to say I love the length of your videos. Many channels have inflated their watch times and these are very clean cut and direct. I'm sure you could kill it on something longer as well, but you seem to have really dialed in this 10-12 min range
next video probably around 30 mins 👀
@@ThePresentPast_ looking forward to it!
This was my nanas house. She passed away in 2016. But she used to sit outside in that closet all the time! I have many memories at that house and that back yard. Even though you’re making fun of my nana I love the video 😂😂😂 my family finds it funny aswell. Thank you so much for posting this 13years ago. I’m guessing you were staying in the hotel next to the house. I would see many people in the hotel growing up. Sometimes I would watch the tv while standing on the fence. These are memories I forgot. Thank you for posting.
Here in Sweden a castle with a 20 metres high tower was considered really massive! Very interesting to learn of the towers of Bologna! 😊
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Considering that before the 2000s the tallest structure in Sweden was shorter than the Torre degli Asinelli...
It took only 900 years, would have been nice to make it a round millennium.
@@AndreaIdini We have one cathedral (Uppsala) from the late middle ages that is taller than the Asinelli tower, so it did take a while for us to surpass it but not that long 😛 Don't know why the wiki list doesn't list all buildings in Sweden, but there's also Kaknästornet built in the 1960s that is 134 meters also Klara church from the 1590s is 116 meters.
But going back in history it's mostly during the 20th century when buildings in Sweden start to be built in similar sizes as on the continent. Before that our big buildings were almost all Scandinavia-sized 😄
Your work keeps getting better and better. Well-paced, interesting, and impressively edited. Great stuff, Jochem.
~Chris
Amazingly high quality video. This is the level of large TV channels, and even better. Thank you.
I love visiting Bologna. it's a lovely universitary city, full of culture and very nice people.
I had the exact same question. After I read the Wikipedia page, and was unsatisfied with the answer, I never delved deeper.
Thank you for actually following through and spending the time to inform all of us. It is a sincere, noble contribution to humanity.
My pleasure :)
The wiki page should be updated!!
Bologna the old Italian city was like the New York city of Medival Europe....a city filled with skyscrapers.The Italian architects were almost a millenia ahead of the Automation dependent architects of present World.
Excellent video. I absolutely love the 3d animations. I was reading on these towers just a couple of weeks ago I can safely say my thirst for more in depth information about them has been quenched. Thank you
Been following you since the first videos. The progress you've made is crazy. Keep it up, Jochem, love your videos!
Appreciate that!
I lived in Bologna in the summer of 2017, and you & Lorenzo still taught me so much! Super underrated Italian city with awesome history and amazing food--cheap too!
As a bolognese it warms my heart to see my city in this gorgeous video, thank you so much!
My pleasure, love your city!
Do you follow Luis and mention the history of Bologna to your friends every other day?
Met you at Skate the other day, Jochem. Cool that you're engaging with your audience even more in New York now.
Love the videos you've been putting out! Keep it up
I wish you had shot the footage of the newer model from a lower angle. Like so "table level" that you block out some of the lower half of the frame with the table itself. *To really simulate a human perspective in that time period*
Love Bologna! Just spent my Birthday there with my family.
Beautiful video! Extremely well done, thoughtful, and impressive!!
The true history of our world has been hidden. My Lunch Break is another great resource. Thanks
I've heard that those tall towers are Keeps, the centerpiece of a castle, which in Bologna's case was the nobles who built tall keeps in the city to show off their wealth and status
On the topic I strongly recommend Schwerpunkt's Italian Communes playlist: that 's mind-blowing
This is what the History channel should've been
But where would Man vs Ice go?
Even at its peak, the History Channel only covered a narrow scope of topics. The usual stuff you get from American interest in history. Very little medieval stuff in general.
Fascinating! I've always been intrigued by these towers and wanting to know more!
Really interesting video. Excellent research. Thank you very much.
Great video! Really appreciated learning more about these towers.
Fascinating history. Thanks for posting. With male ego involved, one can be sure that each man who had his tower built, wanted to have the biggest one.
Just like in the Emirates etc today
Haha it was cool getting a cameo from horses
Man Carrying Thing as well, I think...
Thanks for making this!
Just found the channel and i got a feeling i will stay here and binge watch your videos for a few hours now. Thanks
wow, this was so well researched and beautifully presented, great work
I’m really happy u made this video. I’ve seen so many paintings of Italy with huge buildings but then all of the sudden they disappear after a few years with what seems little explanation from history
This is solid, well-researched and non-gimmicky historical content. Thank you!
I’m Italian and I call tell you that lots of cities were like that back in the day. Just try to take a look to Florence or Pavia in 1200s. They almost had more towers than residents. The most beautiful example still existing today is “San Gimignano” here in Tuscany, lots of towers survived and are still standing today! Over 800 years old.
the ad segment was everything for me
Solid work; great job!
This is one of the best mini documentaries I’ve seen! So informative, so much great visuals, awesome interviews- in only 12 minutes!! That’s an achievement to be proud of.
thats so nice, thank you!
That's was an awesome watch. Thank you for making this movie!
Fascinating - I had actually wondered about this as well and it makes sense the popular images are rather exaggerated
The 3D animations in this video are really amazing and make the story come to life!!
I admire your persistence in searching for the truth about something people just take for granted.
That 3Dmodel of the bologna skyline is unbelievable. Crazy that it was real, in a 13th century city no less
Always so much history and culture in Italy
Nice video, man. I like the animations as well 🙂👍🏻
GREAT video man, thanks for actually going to bologna!
The change in thumbnail actually worked on me bro good job
Bologna is pretty cool.
But when you want to get an impression of a medieval town with many big towers, San Gimignano is the place to go. One of the biggest one you can even climb.
Awesome video! Thank you!
Wow there were dozens of skyscrapers! That is amazing.
Sometimes the gems of the internet appear on your timeline. You got yourself one more subscriber! Up to 1M for you!
Thanks for the video, i hope many people come to my city to watch it by themselves!
You may want to make a follow up about Pavia, the city of 100 towers. It's my home town and you probably know a lot about it already but there's so much history there and very few people know nothing about it, and it's a shame. I have a good contact there if you want to do this seriously
"Some nobles say the length of your tower matters. Other say it's what you do with it". The dilemma that runs throughout the ages. 😂
Great work!
I don't have an interest in Italy or towers but I was compelled to stay , very diligent piece of work you did. Thank you for the history lesson
enjoyed this thanks
Love shows like this, super comfy, make me forget that im in southern IL surrounded by flat farm fields as far as you can see.
Yeah I but I love the Midwest. Guess it's just in my blood. I love the open plains. It's rad and fly in it's own way.
Great use of the historic method. People tend to take pictures at face value in social media when they should do the absolute opposite.
THANK YOU! I'm glad someone finally actually delved into the meat of this story, and I'm glad as hell it wasn't completely fabricated (despite the less impressive reality)
Thanks for the subtitle!
That looks more like when i build up in Minecraft
Wow. Great video . ❤
In the church of San Teodoro, in Pavia, there is a renaissance fresco by Bernardino Lanzani that show exactly the skyline of a medieval Italian city.
Love this video! If you like towers why don't you come to Siena too? we used to have about one hundred towers here too, you'll find them (or what's left of them) fascinating.
Love that city too
Super interesting and worthwhile research and video. Thank you. For great historical work, you get a subscribe!
The book by John Grisham The Broker is based in Bologna, in the book the history of the towers is talked about.
A very rude person might say Bologna is just another word for Baloney... but there seems to be a lot of buried history that people are still uncovering.
Thank you . 😊 the drawling seemed suspect .
Man, I'm out of town on the 20th. Catch you next time!
I enjoyed this different look at history.
Very interesting. Thank you.
i live there, so nice to see the city i live in get covered! :)
Fantastisch in elkaar gezet
Great video
And the moral of the story, people will always exaggerate.
1:05 you had to go there to find the answer? Crazy, I just found a 12 min. RUclips about this very thing and got all the answers I needed!
This brings new meaning to full of Bologna.
I am from Bologna. It is nice seeing our city becoming more popular in recent years but the tourism can get so annoying sometimes
These towers colllected energy. I happen to have tartarian bricks from a tower that was torn down in my town in Vermont.the company that took it down said it was the hardest tower they have ever taken down and they have done many. I have a video on my channel of the bricks and what I’m finding in them
Fantastic vid
so no ones going to talk about "Some nobles say the length of the tower matters. Others say it's what you do with it" quote
no
I’m very surprised to have never learned from this before
That's the city where I live. :) Come back in the summer and enjoy our open air cinema in the city's major square. It lasts 2 months from mid June to mid August and it's free, you'll get a different movie every evening, both classics and newer stuff, always in original language and with subtitles, so both locals and tourists can enjoy it. When they showed "Once upon a time in America" there were more than 10.000 people watching it.
I've been to Florence and Pisa and only on the road passing by Bologna. I will try to go there and visit the city.
Really pretty interesting