Barhopping, House Parties, & Murder: MA v Karen Read Day 7 Recap
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Did Officer John O'Keefe leave the bar with a cocktail glass? Witnesses testified that #KarenRead and Officer #JohnOKeefe were affectionate and "lovey-dovey" the night of the murder. Plus, surveillance video is shown to the jury.
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Why are you posting this so late? This was last night's show.
I think you all do great work. Super helpful for professionals who need heavy content to run the think tank through. Keep it up.
I think they would have been better off calling this an accident due to weather conditions. However they were drunk and paniced because they know exactly what happened. In addition there is no way that glass caused those injuries. Dog did that IMO! I think these officers are about to get God smacked!
I think the Albert’s are way too reluctant to admit simple things on the stand for a reason ! Where is the other shoe and his baseball cap … the yard crossing could have turned into a beef … I want to hear from the expert on the injuries on his arm .. this case has epic reasonable doubt already
I think Karen is innocent and I feel terrible for John's family I think they moment by moment are realizing the truth....Hopefully
Thank goodness for Vinnie! Best law host and commentator hands down. He asks all the right questions. I have wondered from the beginning if this death was (a very sad) drunken accident. And Vinnie is right, why is no one talking about this possibility? The fact that no one has brought this up or is talking about it raises a lot of questions in itself.
This was my thought as well. I know it's the unpopular opinion but it makes the most sense.
Because she was charged with murder… not an accident. Plus, the evidence supports her innocence.
I agree with all of your comments I’ve always thought this was just an accident!! The DA def over charged her and I think because he was Ana officer of the law that’s why they charged. Her with M. IMO , if he wasn’t an officer of the law I’m not sure if she wouldn’t have been charged with such a hash penalty
@@OliviaNile She's also charged with vehicular manslaughter, so the jury can go in that direction and probably will. How do her "fans" not know this? And what "evidence". Give us all a break.
@@tcreative8030 You should probably read the comment that you’re replying to. OP asks the question why people aren’t considering the possibility that it was an accident. Lesser includeds don’t change the fact that she was charged with second degree murder, not an accident.
Give me a break. When alcohol is involved, people's attitudes towards each other can change in an instant. All it takes is one wrong comment
100% agree…. I believe she snapped under influence of alcohol & he wanted out of relationship……she was turning into a fatal attraction
People can just murder people.....under the influence lol uhh no. Maybe people with issues already but someone with NO history and no history of issues with her temper or behavior murdering a cop because she was drunk? That's just ridiculous
Agreed 💯.Hot headed control freaks
Exactly right
🤡
Karen going to 2 bars across the street from each other... does that really constitute "bar hopping"? 😂
More than one bar equals bar hopping.
You go to more than one bar it's commonly called bar hopping 😊
Technically, yes
Legally yes ! 😂😂😂
LOL I was thinking the same, but she supposedly had so many drinks, as a reasonable person would have had going ...barhopping.
Remember the district attorney’s very public video statement!
“Trooper Proctor has no conflict of interest “.
Detective Proctor does not know the home owner or any of the witnesses.
These are lies and misinformation being spread.
I stand by my word that Trooper Proctor had no affiliation at all with anyone involved in this murder trial “.
M.M
That did not age well!
Lolol it’s crazy that he thought that was a good idea. It’s not the 1970s anymore just because he says it on tv he expects us to believe it and not have access to the true information. I can’t wait for the results to the FBI investigation. Hopefully somebody gets indicted.
There is too much reasonable doubt in this case. The police did a horrible job with the investigation. I am not sure if Karen did it or not. But i would def vote not guilty, based on that.
Agree. And the prosecution has done everything BUT prove their case.
@@beachbum1110 exactly. I don't care what y'all ate at the Waterfall Bar. Get to the point, Lally. 😴
@@2sides_of_a_coin😂😂 thought the same thing lolol
Do you think it’s possible that they could really give a sh!t about a guilty verdict! But as long as the Alberts family doesn’t get charged then it’s a win win for some people?!?
@@alexanderalexander6134 very possible.
I find it crazy that no one’s home cameras caught the incident on video.
because there was no accident to catch.
And what have they done to Karen Read's life? They have already ruined her life and reputation.
Well, she can thank her self for that. She ruined many more peoples life, having Turtle Turd & Co. harassing the people she try to frame! So thats called KARMA!
@@kabra72absolutely 💯. She wrecked everyone involved.
She did that herself!
You are kidding. She ruined many lives. 2 kids that already lost their parents.
All of a sudden you have cop's investigating their own friends and finding things that were not seen at all let alone finding his lost shoe , ?????? Something is just not right with this case!!!!
And, the judge is friends with the cops!! What in the world is going on there?? Corruption.....at its finest!!!
Vinnie, you are a Legend here in Ma
May Karen’s “not guilty” verdict come swiftly. State will rest having proved to the jury that it was a cold night.
Also snowy & everyone knows everyone
True yep very true
She’s going to prison lol
@@Jewels_has_arrivedhope so
@@Jewels_has_arrivedYou'd have to be blind or a troll to believe that
Ohh I forgot the police don't lie , Right????
I wonder if anybody checked all glass sets inside the house to see if any match the broken cocktail glass?
It seems that police were not interested in what makes sense.
They will never know since they checked nothing in the house at the time of the Accident/Cover up!
Probably not, they didn't even go in the house, no probably cause?? I guess a dead body in your yard doesn't constitute probably cause 😮
I don't think they even went in the house so I doubt it...
You conspiracy theorists crack me up. 😂😂
Something happened in that house and the cops are truly covering it up !!!
You were there huh? 😉🙄🙄🙄
Julie grant and other guest say they can't see how or why approx a dozen cops would and could conspire to murder fellow officer? That's why it's called "cover up" and not blatant murder conspiracy. They are trying to cover up an accident they did, and not necessarily create conspiracy to murder.
Answer- Well it don't have to be intentional. They could of been acting like the hard as* they portray in photos with middle fingers, shadow boxing, and provoking or collaborating the nevercracker personality by wanting to brawl with O'Keefe, and then went to far themselves and having aggressive dog accidentally intervene. They obviously have a disregard for there actions as you see them treat O'Keefes lawn as joke.
They have a disregard for crime and scenes when it's right in front of there house.
How can they have the responsibility to assume official authority capacity when this is how they act when off the clock? Just ignoring a fallen brother.
When haven't cops went as far as parading fallen officers around town and creating convoys in support?
How can you say it's hard to get cops to agree on anything when it has been publicly acknowledged that they agree on not being investigated by third parties outside of law enforcement and for them not to be recorded without restrictions? Two issues that go hand in hand in conspiracies. At the top of the list in creating conspiracy or cover up.
I have been labeled as nevercracker and I also have been continually provoked to express the nevercracker personality that others have labeled me as. That provoking has and could easily lead to them fighting me and has. Which could of caused harm to myself.
So glad i quit drinking. 12 years ago 🎉
Same ❤ 2/6/2012. Happy 12 years to us both.
They could've drank water that night. What does that have to do with anything?
If they all had stuck to water, they all would have gone home after the first glass full and nobody would have gotten killed. People can’t have a good time sober. Alcohol fuels all kinds of stupidity and poor decisions.
@laurenurban3942 Lets ban cars then. If everybody just took the bus, there'd be less car accidents
People who drink died early. Nothing good comes from drinking. I am glad you overcome it. Stay strong. 💪
Can we please listen to these knuckleheads? Are you kidding me? Perhaps Karen thought it was a good idea to go home. She works regular hours compared to the majority of the Canton police officers. John's teen niece was home alone. Wouldn't it have been a good idea to head home? It is snowing, and John has been drinking for at least 6 hours. I am trying to watch with a fresh set of eyes. Regarding Jen McCabe telling Karen you are coming with me more than once at the Waterfall, perhaps Karen was ready to go home. Just like the other wives. Why would Jen McCabe Google how long it takes for a body to die in the cold or snow after 2 am? Reasonable doubt for sure!
Cops are so quick to think about placing blame upon her instead of looking at the people who were in the house at the time of his death.
their SWORN job in this case was to cover up for the alberts
Did I hear wrong? KR-Where are we going. Answer It’s a surprise. How does a surprise specifically mean where they’re going? I don’t personally feel like I’m welcome or invited if I’m not specifically told.
I don't think it's that difficult to figure out, I believe she hit him because why else would she wake up in a panic?I believe she was pretty drunk and when she started to sober up and wake up she had a memory of doing it and freaked out. Otherwise if she hadn't have had that memory she would just assumed that he was still where she dropped him off because it was late when she dropped him off and they were drinking so why would she think that it would be weird that he didn't come home. How would he have gotten home? I think they fought on the way over there because she probably just wanted to go home and have him to herself and he wanted to party with his friends. It's a very common fight and she probably felt like his friends were more important. She was super drunk and hit him with her car, probably didn't think it was that big of a deal until she sobered up and he hadn't come home and she remembered what she did and was like oh s***.
I believe your theory.
Yep! John never went into that house & she knew right where he was!
This makes a lot of sense, but she is guilty if that was the case but is going to walk out that court as a free woman unfortunately
That's not murder tho.
Agree 💯
It’s so insane to me that the cops on scene said there was no probable cause to check in the house. Why not? Obviously they are still trying to figure out what happened and maybe that would have lead them somewhere. Also, how do you not come to look to see what is going on outside of your house, cop or no cop. As the resident of the property, shouldn’t the cops be required to make sure they know what’s going on? That right there plus the search and deletion by Jennifer is super sketchy. In my opinion, this is a cover up. There are too many coincidences of things happening.
I wonder what Johns family is thinking
I think they believe Karen Read is Lying. But interesting I wonder if it’s crossed their minds if someone inside of that house was involved in his death?
All the prosecution has proved so far is that SLED is NOT the worst investigative LE force in America 😅
👏😅! 👏😂! 👏🤣!
Smoke and mirrors from the defense.
🤔🤔 Cleared the Crime scene in just over 2 hours, " interviewed " people within ear shot of one another. DIDN'T PROPERLY SECURE " BLOOD EVIDENCE ".
Julie grant and other guest say they can't see how or why approx a dozen cops would and could conspire to murder fellow officer? That's why it's called "cover up" and not blatant murder conspiracy. They are trying to cover up an accident they did, and not necessarily create conspiracy to murder.
Answer- Well it don't have to be intentional. They could of been acting like the hard as* they portray in photos with middle fingers, shadow boxing, and provoking or collaborating the nevercracker personality by wanting to brawl with O'Keefe, and then went to far themselves and having aggressive dog accidentally intervene. They obviously have a disregard for there actions as you see them treat O'Keefes lawn as joke.
They have a disregard for crime and scenes when it's right in front of there house.
How can they have the responsibility to assume official authority capacity when this is how they act when off the clock? Just ignoring a fallen brother.
When haven't cops went as far as parading fallen officers around town and creating convoys in support?
How can you say it's hard to get cops to agree on anything when it has been publicly acknowledged that they agree on not being investigated by third parties outside of law enforcement and for them not to be recorded without restrictions? Two issues that go hand in hand in conspiracies. At the top of the list in creating conspiracy or cover up.
I have been labeled as nevercracker and I also have been continually provoked to express the nevercracker personality that others have labeled me as. That provoking has and could easily lead to them fighting me and has. Which could of caused harm to myself.
How can you think that a prosecutor that misses so many blatant objections can then be smart enough to catch a cover up. Even if it was written on paper with capital letters, he couldn't catch it. Even if he was knowingly or unknowingly involved
I believe she was drinking and it was an accident. But she can still face some charges for vehicular homicide.
Looks like he's holding a can of beer
One thing is certain. This is some of the worst police work ever done. 😒 this is how NOT to investigate the death of a fellow officer. The prosecution is starting to sound like they don't even believe their own story anymore.
Speculating on what her BA level was hours before isn’t going to work. She could say she went home and drank!
I strongly believe that what ever happened to this man happened when he was in that house !!! And cop's being cops just do what is natural to crooked cops and cover up and point out a crooked finger at this woman.
The FBI disagrees with you, because according to their investigation John never went inside in the house
Impossible considering it will be proven he was never in that house. She wouldn't be charged if he went into that house. Why is that so hard to understand?
@@Catlover0404 dude you don't know that !!!! His body is found out on their front yard, doesn't take a rocket science to figure that out, duh???
@@Michael-m2b3k I do know that, and you will too if you'll pay attention.
@@Catlover0404 It would much much easier to understand if they actually went into the house to investigate. The cop never came out when he had a dying officer on his lawn nor did the cops investigating go into the lawn he was found on that is SO suspicious how do you not understand that?!!!
So a drunk women running over her boyfriend in a snow storm vs. the whole police force being involved in a murder for absolutely no reason. Hmmm . She’s guilty. She was so drunk she didn’t know she did. 9 vodkas.
Julie grant and other guest say they can't see how or why approx a dozen cops would and could conspire to murder fellow officer? That's why it's called "cover up" and not blatant murder conspiracy. They are trying to cover up an accident they did, and not necessarily create conspiracy to murder.
Answer- Well it don't have to be intentional. They could of been acting like the hard as* they portray in photos with middle fingers, shadow boxing, and provoking or collaborating the nevercracker personality by wanting to brawl with O'Keefe, and then went to far themselves and having aggressive dog accidentally intervene. They obviously have a disregard for there actions as you see them treat O'Keefes lawn as joke.
They have a disregard for crime and scenes when it's right in front of there house.
How can they have the responsibility to assume official authority capacity when this is how they act when off the clock? Just ignoring a fallen brother.
When haven't cops went as far as parading fallen officers around town and creating convoys in support?
How can you say it's hard to get cops to agree on anything when it has been publicly acknowledged that they agree on not being investigated by third parties outside of law enforcement and for them not to be recorded without restrictions? Two issues that go hand in hand in conspiracies. At the top of the list in creating conspiracy or cover up.
I have been labeled as nevercracker and I also have been continually provoked to express the nevercracker personality that others have labeled me as. That provoking has and could easily lead to them fighting me and has. Which could of caused harm to myself.
Julie Grant said that Kate was having an affair with Brian Higgins?
I’ve been following this for 2 years.
I’ve never seen anything showing that?
Why would a bias person state some rumor to taint the defendant’s reputation?
Disgusting.
I like Vinnie. If Julie grant still on this channel I’m boycotting and will continue to post Julie Grants unprofessional comments.
All the witnesses so far testified she was NOT drunk...or do you think they are liars?😏
@@gigis6790 Ok it’s up to the jury now.
I think everyone involved should be thoroughly investigated. Because the state is shady af in this case on so many levels. I think Karen is a Patsy.
Don’t they have the receipts of their purchases? Wouldn’t that help prove how much they were drinking?
Not if they took turns buying rounds.
Yes and prosecutors didn’t disclose verbally in court just an Exhibit with a photocopy of the receipts. To me that doesn’t count to explain who much she drink.
Kind of interesting karen says in abc news that she didn’t know she was invited to the house .. numerous people overheard karen ask to go to their pizza place tho
Which is a shop near the bar. Not Brian Albert's house.
Your confusing point?
Karen Read has lied multiple times! She told reporters yesterday she never said “I hit him”, but then on dateline she admitted to saying “I hit him” lol
The homeowner never invited her
@@marytracy7955 Thsts a LIE! Two witnesses have already stated that the invite was said out loud to every single person in their group! That’s when Karen suggested they all get pizza at Chris’s shop!
her biggest problem is it seems like she's the only one with a motive, but motive isn't enough
Oohh Boy!!! This is a doozy… She might have a chance of being found not guilty… Cause police officers are known to have a blue wall…
they have been GENIUS at PLANTING EVIDENCE - it doesn't take much to get a cocktail glass from the bar and break it and claim it was near John's body
It reminds me of those towns, in those times, that kept a murder secret, it has happened many times, nowadays towns are bigger and so are the socials, can’t imagine how can it be walking in the streets in such a small town and see each other’s faces, weather she didn’t do it, was accidentally or on purpose, She has already reach a purpose, this Town has to diagnose it self, for the sake of their kids.
I just looked at John's injuries! One arm has slash marks that look like animal bite and scratch marks! If she hit him and his glass shattered, those marks would not be just on one arm. At least 1 piece would have injured his face, torso, leg, foot...etc! If there is a camera at that house, is John seen on video at any time that night? Or are there video times missing! Cause I know they got rid of dog, so dog never got looked at by police! Suspish!
What up Vinnie !!! Really like how you can get right to the bottom of this mess .
I don't understand the comment "we don't want anything to happen to her". Maybe I heard that wrong...This woman is willing to DESTROY the lives of all these ppl (including their children) who treated her like family, so she doesn't have to admit ANY guilt and spend a day in jail. What kind of person are all these "fans" supporting? This is absurd and really gross.
How would the BAC even be immissable in court? Karen could've drank more alcohol at home! That is crazy! Really sounds like she's being framed! I sure hope the jury gets the verdict correctly! Im sorry John's family lost their family member & his friends!
Vinnie - I know you like to have a fair and balanced discussion about these cases but this guy Nick is a joke... the statements he makes such as " there was a plan to rough him up" with absolutely no evidence or suggestions that's true is reckless, unfair and and frankly - the dumbest thing I've heard relating to this case- comments like that aren't worthy of your show!
I have a question. What are all the people in the house saying in regards to John being there? Are they all saying he never made it in at all or that he actually was inside? If he wasn’t, why would his watch say he made so many steps, etc?
Omg. Theres a reason the alberts threw him on the lawn with a cocktail glass. He obviously walked into Fairview with it. Its funny that Jen McCabe told the cops that SHE walked out with the glass when questioned. She mentioned it multiple times. I wondered why she kept mentioning that stupid glass.
Why is the glass taped in an evidence bag but the blood is in Solo cups in an open Stop n Shop bag?
Love Kevin’s balanced, common sense approach ❤
She is being railroaded right from the very start!!! Wake up people !!!! This woman is not showing signs of deceit at anytime of this tragedy!!!!
Oh boy! You are in for a brutal awakening!
I simply don't believe that she could have possibly killed her boyfriend!!!
why you can't believe simply?
Not intentionally, drunk and didn’t realize she hit something
@@dodidodi9632 piss off !!!! Simply.
Why couldn't she?
But let’s say she did accidentally back into him. That’s an accident not murder!
Why would the state and local police frame her? It doesn’t make sense.
Thank you. This mess is all because of an overreaching DA.
1. How about she continued drinking after the tragedy? She might have had50s a flask.
a) In MA, bars stop serving at 12 Midnight. One can finish their drink for a little time.
2. Karen is hotter than the poor victim. Why would she be mad if he wanted to break up with her?
She was over 40; she's 45, now. She looks good, she could snatch another easily.
Tend to believe this was just a tragic accident.
Never once believed this was a coverup.
God cops are dirty
Yep
Yes and I've seen it first hand
@PjDurkin-vd1gj she hasn't seen the worst of it yet. Brian Albert, Higgins, Proctor, Bukhenic, Tully and Guarino are coming soon.
Corrupt cops
Some of these witnesses are being less than truthful. I’m looking forward to the defense’s cross exam of these thugs.
You just can't sway me to believe that she had anything to do with this man's murder !!!!
Too much reasonable doubt in this case
Too much alcohol as well.
You obviously don't understand what reasonable means
@@Catlover0404 I think you're the one who doesn't. Good thing you're not on the jury.
@@laurenurban3942 Nothing good comes from drinking.
She brain washed a lot of people
Half a glass doesn't prove anything....
Show me the damage to the car? Both taillights were intact the next morning.
See the video from the squad car pointed towards Karen and John’s cars at John’s home while doing a welfare check. This video dated 1/29 8:25am both red taillights intact
@@kristyreynoldsapaintersdau9016 you are blind clearly
Exactly. Then 3 days later tail light in pieces ...45 to be exact...magically appear near the area. 45! Not even a blind man could miss one out of 45 pieces of tail light on white snow...it all would have been there after body found before so much snow. They buried those pieces. And again...WHERES BODY CAM OF RECOVERING MURDER VEHICLES 45 PIECES OF LIGHT? EVERY TRIAL IVE SEEN THERES EITHER A RECORDING OR BODY CAME OF INTERVIEWS, EVIDENCE RECOVERY, WALK THRUE OF THE PROPERTY. BUT ALAS...NADA...AND THIS SNOB MENOPAUSAL LIBTARD JUDGE IS AWEFUL. "SUSTAINED. SUSTAINED. SUSTAINED. SIDE BAAAR. SIDE BAAAR. UGH...
Exactly they want us to believe that Karen was going 24 miles an hour in reverse and hit a 6 foot two 230 pound man and only cracked rear tail light. I hate to break the bad news to everybody, but it would be a hell of a lot more damage to the ass end of her SUV than just a busted tail light.
@@Tammy_26Irwin we are talking about the back of the car LoL if it was the front then I’d agree
So many indications in this case, that something just ain't right with the prosecution lol I don't know what they were thinking..
theres clearly a serious culture of drinking and driving home , including cops , like it clearly isnt taken seriously
Just the way they try and ignore the obvious makes them suspicious. It looked very affectionate.
Where’s the german shepherd? And his shoe ? That the dog probably made marks on. Why wasn’t anyone in house interviewed? Dirty cover up cops!
thanks for the great coverage where was john missing shoe found
Yes, it’s in evidence.
@@mauiswift6391 okay? But where was the missing shoe found at?
@@KayXoXo4 we will find out won’t we, they are there yet in the trial.
The behaviour of these people is so adolescent early adulthood😊
2 drunks, one gets injured and because a cop passed away it must be the gf that murdered him?? Comeonnn she would get nothing from that. She knew he was a cop. Thos makes no sense and the state is reeeaching
No the defense is reaaaching!! Going off a small town and how people know each other! She did it! John never made it into the house! His own family knows she did it!!!
The state isn’t charging of a premeditated murder.
But a conspiracy and cover up make sense? Please. She is guilty. Just accept it. It's not that hard.
@@Catlover0404
Obviously it’s not that simple! The trial isn’t over. She’s innocent until proven Guilty.
@@Catlover0404 hahaha no conspiracy here just wait until the defense unleashes
If he was drinking beer all night that glass is not a beer glass its a spirit glass.
Im fairly confident the defense does not say ambush. That implies they planned to mirder him which isn't what the defense said.
If the glass is what caused the cuts on his arm there would of been pieces in his arm same with the taillight.. and every bar buys the same type of cocktail glass
One drunken night in a bar where they are getting along doesn't mean their relationship wasn't toxic or almost over... it just means that on this night in the bar they were getting along... the second they got in the car they could have started arguing... I don't think she's guilty of murder at all ... but their behavior in one situation doesn't mean that's how it always was..
EVERYONE knows that couples could fight (argue) everyday, and their friends and families may NEVER witness.
I always have my keys in my hand before I leave a building. 1. They can be used as a weapon, 2. I’m not searching for them at my car leaving me to be a victim, 3. People steal purses in public and my keys are always in my pocket or in my hand.
She did it; not murder, but drunken accident that caused his death..
I think the broken glass could tell a lot! It determines if he went into that house or not! She had ordered a glass drink but if you look at Det. Lank's hand holding the glass (him having a larger hand) vs Karen holding the glass when grabbing it from the bartender....the comparison of it being held by each for the size of their hands.
They all had a lot to drink. Drunk people aren't typically good at covering evidence up.
Nope! Drunk police officers investigating themselves.
That's why the cover up went into the following days and weeks when they sobered up.
Margin of error with the backward extrapolation is ridiculous. 0.13%-0.29% is a massive margin of error. Normally one would have a difference of +/- half of the smallest measurement. So +/- 0.05%, not + 0.16%. Just stupid and should not be in evidence.
He seems to forget she googled the time to die in the cold.
There’s a difference between killing someone & murdering someone.
I have always thought that the truth is somewhere in between.
What do you mean?
The 45 pieces of tail light were found during the second run of looking for evidence at the scene. I think them finding the partial glass hurts them in a complete different way. How were they able to find a partial clear glass upon the first search for evidence at the scene but didn't find more obvious and "viewable" pieces of evidence upon the arrival it took going back to the scene m. This is strictly my opinion!
The defense needs to prove the was a disagreement between John O'Keefe and Brian Higgins regarding Karen Read. During this disagreement, the dogcomr downstairs and attached John
😢seems like a tragic accident IF she hit him not on purpose
Why is this attorney on if he’s represented Colin Albert??
I know, Rrtriiiggghhhttt?!?!
Kevin made some excellent points. He showed that you don't see any broken remnants from the tail light on the snow and it appears to be in good order. Also, glass, tail light fragments and even rocks can cause scratches. I am wondering if she hit him from the front instead from the behind? There was a case a few years ago where a woman was arguing with her partner and they were both drunk. She accidently hit him from the front and he died. She was in jail for 6 months, luckily she didn't get a long sentence, which I am surprised.
But then there would be damage to the front end of her car and there wasn’t no let’s think about this logically this man is 6 foot two weighs about 230 pounds but the only damage to her car is her rear tail light. Give me a break.
They say a drunk always shows thier true colors when drunk.
Kevin.. Lally didn't put those witnesses on to say nice things about Karen. He tried to stop that. Lally was blindsided and intent on proving they fought like animals behind closed doors.
I believe he did. He wanted to prove that all those people were friends with John and Karan and they did not invite him over to kill him.
I don't understand how she got charged with a DUI when she was charged with second-degree homicide because the police did not see her behind the wheel... they know she was behind the wheel and they know she was drinking but the test were eight hours later and I thought that the police had to see you behind the wheel of a vehicle that's turned on in order to charge you with a DUI?
Middle-aged couple goes bar hopping! Grow up!
The simplest explanation is usually the right one, they all drank a lot & ( drive) they all know better, but are “ special “ ,Karen probably hit him by accident , maybe didn’t realize it…that’s the simplest explanation to me…
Vinnie trying to change the narrative. Johns injuries are not those of getting backed into by a suv.
I really cant wait to see what the prosecution has in store!
I wonder if the jury is noticing that she loves looking at the camera instead of looking like she cares that a loved one is gone.
Not looking at camera all time. John's Mom looking at Camera. Dumb biased Judge looks at camera "SUSTAINED!" KAREN HAS M.S. DID YA KNOW THAT? INVOLUNTARY MUSCLE MOVEMENTS AT ANY MOMENT. PROGRESSIVE AND PAINFUL. MAYBE SHE IS IN ALOT OF PAIN SITTING FOR HOURS IN A HARD CHAIR. IM SURE THAT WELL INSULATED JUDGE HAS HER PADDED CHAIR...
You know y’all are wild. She’s looking over that way because her attorneys are there. The jury is there and just so happens to be where the camera is plays as to not show the jury.
@@Tammy_26Irwin 👍😘
@@Tammy_26Irwin it’s crazy how people love the criminals in this country. She admitted to drinking and driving three times that night. So do you think she really cares about anyone but her selfish self? Shes probably still drinking and driving 💔
@@Puffthemagicdragon248 hey hey, did you miss that part where police officers were drinking and they drove home too and they’re the ones that are supposed to uphold and enforce laws 🤷🏻♀️
Julie grant and other guest say they can't see how or why approx a dozen cops would and could conspire to murder fellow officer? That's why it's called "cover up" and not blatant murder conspiracy. They are trying to cover up an accident they did, and not necessarily create conspiracy to murder.
Answer- Well it don't have to be intentional. They could of been acting like the hard as* they portray in photos with middle fingers, shadow boxing, and provoking or collaborating the nevercracker personality by wanting to brawl with O'Keefe, and then went to far themselves and having aggressive dog accidentally intervene. They obviously have a disregard for there actions as you see them treat O'Keefes lawn as joke.
They have a disregard for crime and scenes when it's right in front of there house.
How can they have the responsibility to assume official authority capacity when this is how they act when off the clock? Just ignoring a fallen brother.
When haven't cops went as far as parading fallen officers around town and creating convoys in support?
How can you say it's hard to get cops to agree on anything when it has been publicly acknowledged that they agree on not being investigated by third parties outside of law enforcement and for them not to be recorded without restrictions? Two issues that go hand in hand in conspiracies. At the top of the list in creating conspiracy or cover up.
I have been labeled as nevercracker and I also have been continually provoked to express the nevercracker personality that others have labeled me as. That provoking has and could easily lead to them fighting me and has. Which could of caused harm to myself.
so was the second shoe ever found ?
There are many couples who can get into a heated fight from one moment to the next. Even within 5 minutes. All it takes is one wrong word, mixed with alcohol or jealousy.
There was barely any snow at 12.30am. How the body ended up on a thick layer of snow?
I can't see a pool of blood around his head. Reasonnable doubt, I can't find her guilty.
This is what happened. John showed up at the Alberts. They were drinking. John and Colin Albert were probably joking around busting each others b@lls. It probably went too far and John and Colin started to fight. John was probably winning the fight so the rest of the Alberts jumped in. They beat john to the point of unconsciousness. Brian Albert knew this would cause serious issues for his whole family. They dragged him outside and knew the snow, cold and ice would destroy the evidence. It would alter the time of death and bruises.
It’s so sad when people go out to have a good time and something horrible happens. This whole situation is really sad and I am so truly sorry to the family of John O’Keefe. I pray they get to find out what exactly happened. 🩵🙏🏽🩵
Yeah it’s hard to watch the videos from that night knowing what happens to him later. It’s heartbreaking 💔
@@selmeb1291yes it is, why do good people have to die horrible like this.
That's absurd but a woman running down her fiance isnt?
I think both sides can be motive, by that i mean...she is angry and they fight and she is drunk and hits him, and the other side, he goes in the house...everyone is drinking, there is an argument and they fight and he accidentally falls and hits his head, now you have to look at the evidence to see which one is more plausible. Some one said...why are they planning it in the morning. I dont think they did...i think the were hoping the plow driver would believe he hit him...but then that didn't happen..and a new plan was made!
36:53 the cocktail glass was right beside him because he was holding it.... they didn't find the shoe because when you hit someone at 24 mph they literally get thrown out of their shoes... the shoe could have been found 30-40 feet away - we don't know where they said they found it do we? I might have missed that.... I'm still not saying she's guilty.
I thought conspiracy theories were ridiculous years ago. Since let's nit forget Enron. A group of people working together can acomplish much. This was a death, a family would definitely close ranks.
Tail lights can break and not shatter. Ever hear of a crack or fracture? And guess what happens to things that are cracked...over time vibrations can cause them to come loose and fall out of place, they don't immediately fall out of place and cause a visible mess of debris.
That’s correct overtime but not just a few hours!