This gang ran a perfect race. Thanks to Jordan for being the guy to frequently update the viewing audience on the positions of each car during the race.
Same with I-75. We drive it a couple times a year between Tampa and Ohio. We typically spend about 2-3 hours in traffic jams and 2 hours charging over our 1,100 mile route. I keep telling people that the charging infrastructure isn’t the problem. The problem is the highway infrastructure. And props to Jordan for a Herculean editing job. I’d love to see a video about that aspect of the adventure. You can have great footage, but it won’t do you any good without great editing.
Spot on Kyle. I looked over some footage last night and we lost about 23 minutes due to handshake issues at chargers, getting pulled over and our Starbucks bathroom detour. We would have likely gotten second otherwise.
I was rooting for you. It was great you came third and I think better than many of us predicted. I had expected both the Lucid and the Mercedes to do better.
BUT with that logic, if we had not lost our handshake time challenges with a couple superchargers, our 5 minute delay with EA stop, and our Dunkin Donuts stop… would’ve still stayed ahead. 😎 Plus all our V2 superchargers holding us back…
@@Jordan_Schiefer now you’re sounding like Kyle when he tried to convince us the cybertruck was first in the coast to coast truck race if he adjusted for various things 😀
@@Jordan_SchieferThis is not a healthy debate, frankly. IONIQ 6 and Model 3 did the same time to cross the country, that 15 minute delta was not enough to truly call a winner over 2 days. Too many variables could have impacted the result. Traffic can cause a 15 minute delay on a commute home! To my eye, the Supercharger network didn’t make a massive difference to push Teslas ahead for this race. The CCS networks are catching up. Race again with IONNA in the picture and Supercharger V4 sites in a year or two, we’ll see.
This team optimiezed the best out of all the teams. They didn't have the battles at the chargers like the CCS teams did. They managed to get through that mess of V2 chargers without losing too much time. Close proximity to the highways gives the Tesla's a leg up in these races. However I have seen the same craziness with the Tesla route planner so I always pad the SOC now after having it pull the rug on me. This team managed everything the best. I do think if Lucid and Ioniq would have managed their races better they would have been all right together in that race for second. I think the Tesla M3 legitimately was a 4th place car neck and neck with the Plaid. CCS problems really did impact the results.
The Lucid's mistake was not charging deeper into the pack. Even at only 134kW after 50%, which then goes up over 160kW around 60% SoC to around 73%, the Lucid could have definitely had a chance to take the Model 3. All the extra time spent getting off the highway and back all the way to CCS stations cost them way more time than staying there longer and skipping a charging location on every stretch. The Taycan made only 1 mistake that I remember, which was stopping charging a little over 60% SoC where it was still getting 297kW. That caused them to have their only pull back on their speed section to be able get to the next charger. Great, great work by the Model 3 team, though. Congratulations to all 3 of you. And extra props to Jordan for all the work he did on all these videos. That was a massive undertaking on your part.
@@dennisschlieckau8723 Ha! The original Supercharger came out in 2012 as well as the V2 in 2013 and we still have lots of those kicking around across the US 12 years later. 800V will be far from universal 5 years from now in 2030.
@@dennisschlieckau8723 they have finished developping the v4 stalls. It supports vehicule 400-1000v charges up to 500kw in fact the CT can peak at 500kw at them. They have managed to make supercharger simpler and more cost effective. The first is comming online jan 2025. And my guess is that the supercharger network will grow exponentionally.
@@Lynyrd_Evnyrd Yeah, not every session needs that fast a speed, so they stay in use rather than being replaced. Maybe one could say that every location will have the 1000v chargers by 2030, even if there are still older chargers as well.
@@Lynyrd_Evnyrd There are currently around 2500 SuC locations in the USA. At any given time throughout the year there are an average of 150 under construction around the country. There are also 680 publicly documented in Planning and Permit phases in US. Tesla just announced they are in the Permitting process to start rolling out the True V4 installations Mid-2025. I’m sure at some point they will start updating some of the Older locations where possible. Most of the Early location leases (10 years) typically are coming to an end. Which means New lease agreements need to be established or the site is shut down and replaced with an updated site Nearby.
I was almost a never-Tesla person. Boy, was I stupid. ..... Long story short, my wife and I now have 2 Model Ys and they've been perfect, not even any creeks or rattles. Now I'm an only-Tesla person.
I really think the key message is that any of these cars will road trip well. Some will be more comfortable than others. Infrastructure still needs work, but it was good enough to allow this to happen. One thing I actually agree with Kyle on, the placement of the chargers is significant. This is one of the things I hope to see improve as CPOs like Pilot, Loves, and TA deploy more chargers.
Honestly, this has been my favorite video series to come out on RUclips in a long time. Incredibly relatable for someone like me trying to better understand the EV industry, options, differences, and tips/tricks to make road trips more efficient. Rhetorically, I’m baffled as to why Tesla hasn’t improved their charging curve over the past 3-4 years. Is the Taycan thermal management system really that far superior to Tesla’s? Or, Is Tesla just sand bagging to preserve battery longevity? (Anecdotally not what I’m seeing with the used Tesla I recently purchased. All in all, absolutely LOVED the series and appreciate the time and effort put in! Would love to participate in one of these if you ever need a driver down in Florida! 🙌🏼
This car/team proves that efficiency and charging slightly more than you need is king, not trying to get in at 0 or below using buffer to have the highest charge rates and risking having to slow down to extend range to make it to a charger. This team had an average SOC arrival at a charger of 4%+. This is the way to do it by not having to waste time slowing down and having plenty of energy always.
I think you guys missed a very valuable piece of information that a lot of people would have loved to have heard of!!!!! How much did you spend for charging, and even more so gas, to get there?? I would have loved to known how much gas that Acura took and how much you saved on that Tesla Model. 3?
My partner and I just returned from a 3-week trip in our 23 Model 3 from Dallas to Providence - then to Philly, Fort Meade and back home. Used FSD quite a bit (as we got the 30 trial). PHENOMENAL road trip car. Didn’t feel beat down at the end of each day as many cars have done in the past. We’re both over 60 years old - so we didn’t drive over 11 hours each day.
Great awesome eye opening race guys. Thank you so much ! Nothing else has been done compared. What for me comes as a surprise - CCS is not a a problem at all if you drive through America today. Super chargers are not the holy grail. There are 2 clear winners - M3 and the Taycan which is so much in its own league almost legendary. biggest letdown is the Lucid for me, really disappointing
Hey Kyle! Any chance you can do a podcast on what went into the idea of doing this race, the planning, preparations, logistics, coordinating with manufacturers, selecting the cars and teams, etc? I don't think this route could have even been done in a non-Tesla before last year (2023)!
Jordan is the real champ! How hard would it be in editing to add a map overlay the whole time so we don’t have to wait for Ryan or Jordan’s update clips?
OOS rescued my Saturday evenings from some of the most awful TV on the UK networks and made it fun again - thank goodness too for HDMI connectors for TV’s and tablet computers so I could view it on a big screen TV. Please can we have an even longer run next? How about Norway’s North Cape to Spain’s Tarifa which can be done all by road without ferries - 3424 miles and 53 hours driving not including charging time……….. ABRP reckons 66.5hrs including 26 charging stops in my 2024 Mini Countryman S E. The oldie car maybe should be an old Kona (aka the wind knife for its great efficiency) or a Renault Zoe ZE50 with CCS charging?
This team being able to arrive with single digit SOC at every charger probably also has much to do with the higher availability of Tesla chargers as compared to CCS. When you have options to keep going and the next charger is never more than 20-30 miles down the road, you can really optimize your trip.
Hi @OutofSpecPodcast, old S85 owner here, that would love to also get a debrief with you and the old model S team. Thanks a million to include old Model S in your I-90 Surge. It was interesting to see the result, quite similar to what I estimate for our vacation road trips. In the end, we don't travel so far. Summer is between 1200km to 1600km (so 1000 miles max), which we always do in two days anyway. Winter is around 900km (550 miles) to the mountain. This distance is done in one day. I estimate it takes us about 2 more hours than a newer Tesla would do. That extra time is mostly spent eating, having a coffee or some shopping. So in the end, yes, the travel time is longer, but it's not crazy longer and turned into something nice and relaxing. And come to think of it, you only notice the slower SuC charging speed during those two vacations journeys. For the rest of the year, on AC charging, it's not an issue. So factoring that, and elements like great UI, planner, charging experience (consistent, not derating...), amazing car space and looks... I'd argue the old Model S is still very much a great value proposition. But I'm biased indeed. So I'd be very happy to hear your thoughts as well.
So if the Ioniq 6 had access to Superchargers on this trip would they have beaten the Model 3? Or was the Supercharger advantage worth less than 15 minutes over a 3,000 mile trip?
The 800v cars don't charge well with the superchargers. V2 and 3 are only 400v compatible. The ioniqs use their motor inverter to step it up but only manage 80KW in them. Vs their native 230KW charging on 800V
@ I know but did the Supercharger network only provide a 15 minute advantage over the course of 3,000 miles? Assuming the Model 3 and Ioniq 6 are roughly comparable cars.
Tesla network actually screwed them on this one, one third of the trip was V2 superchargers which cost them quite a bit of time, probably around an hour.
@@COSolar6419If you are asking this to justify purchasing one car over the other, don't, just get the one you like more. I would ask you to consider that Ioniq 6 is quite a bit longer with a smaller trunk. That was a big deal for me with a family of 4, living in Europe. It might not matter to you at all if you're a single guy from the US, we parallel park a lot into tight spaces here.😅
@ I am asking whether the Tesla DC fast charging network is actually as superior as many have claimed. In the US it is often cited as the reason to buy a Tesla.
I think you should have a scavanger hunt style road trip. You have to get off the highway drive to a location take a photo of the team with SOC and GPS location. Maybe this could also be a camp, cook and run to the next location and see who can do it the quickest. This way you are charging for what you need when taking a detour where there is no charging infrastructure. This would simulate visiting national parks. And see who returns home the quickest. Maybe like the race to vegas but it is the race to national parks. Using different EVs. Your early videos you would visit places in the M3 that you might think you could not. Like dragging on the salt flats.
I've noticed you guys talk about calibrating/breaking in new Teslas when they're fresh. Could you maybe make a video going over how to properly do this on a new Model 3? Should I just drive carefully the first couple of days? Any tips on breaking in the sound system? I'm getting a Model 3 LR AWD in a few weeks and I want to do everything I can to make it the best car it can be.
Really great performance by the model 3 team. They are right the lucid should have been very close - especially as the lucid was both intentionally feathered and unintentionally slowed (missed speed limit signs). Also wonder if occupant weight made a difference (understandably putting taller folks in the larger car and smaller folks in the smaller cars). Regardless, commendable performance at these very different price points.
How about Lucid not having to turn back at the earlier stop and not running out of juice... I think a perfectly executed lucid could have done it. They just didn't. And part of that certainly has to be the software just not giving good arrival %s.
Efficiency is key to fast road trips. The Model 3 proved it here. If would be so cool if Mercedes would make their next generation EQS as efficient as their EQXX concept car, and match the Taycan's charging curve. 😎
Nobody had bottles or portable urinals to at least get a decent piss at superchargers with no good bathrooms? I got kids, having those in the car is a must xD
Hi from Canada, Montana is a bitch for charging off the route you took just like here in Alberta. Thanks for the videos! Here’s a laugh for you. Next time put a Ford MachE in the race too. Mine has gotten better at charging and seems a little better on energy use too. Ive been seeing as good as some of the middle of your pack cars for energy use and charging now. Ford is trying hard to make it better, it seems.
The totals were 759 kWh delivered costing $329 or $0.43/kWhr. That didn't include the initial 100% charge. Adding that 82 Kwhr in would add $35. So $364 to go 3100 miles. Assuming $3 gal for gas you would pay the same for a gas car that gets about 26 mpg. I am sure the Model 3 was the lowest cost by a lot considering the supercharger use and its higher efficiency.
I was probably one of the “weird comments” Kyle is talking about. I said the gas car could have lost its lead because it might have needed to get an oil change en route, lol
Next race idea: the 2 best selling EV sedans, suvs, and trucks against the best selling gas and hybrid sedan, suv, and truck. 12 total vehicles. Test the cars people are actually buying.
Next time start the gas car hours behind the ev cars, would be exciting to see it catch up to the rest instead of just pulling away from them. Would keep them in race mode as well.
In Europe all cars would compete on the same ccs network. Not every car can do Tesla SuC. But Tesla and all the others can race on Ionity 350 kW chargers. Or some similar. With the sparcity of high powered chargers in the Plains the Taycan got too much of an advantage whereas the rest of the ccs pack had to share poorer or derated chargers from EA.
Awesome job Jordan on the editing! I loved the drone shot at the end! Kyle said in the wrap up of the race that he wasn't convinced with the 800V charging. Just imagine the Model 3 efficiency and range with the Porsche or Ioniq 5 charging speeds! It probably would have beaten the Porsche.
If Superchargers were open to all car makes than I think Lucid and Ioniq 6 would have beaten all Teslas. Lucid had the best range before the mountain pass but went too fast over the elevation and lost efficiency.
Not going to lie I would totally watch another one of these with the worst charging cars. Leaf, Bolt, Mach-e... All the ones you don't want to be behind at the charging station.
Agree the model 3 is the best car value in the world. Have the new 2024 model 3 for my fiancée and a model S Plaid for myself. The new 3 is so well built, driving dynamics and comfort superb and its extremely efficient. Plaid now is just for the performance experience. For everyday use the base model 3 is actually the better choice. Amazing value!
One key takeaway I have from this that hasn't been mentioned yet, is that the fact that there were 3-4 CCS cars coming into the same charging stations, and in a few instances, they were for sure affecting the charging performance for each other. I can recall at least 2-3 times that someone was charging, the other car pulled in and all the sudden the first car was derated. So, I think it is important to note that you don't have nearly as much of this issue at Tesla stations, yes you need to pay attention at V2 stations, but if I recall correctly derating at V3 stations is way less of an issue.
Great project, unfortunately spoiled by the Tesla excusing commentary; at every tunr when the Tesla showed with understandable issues (route planning, cameras disabled, V2 availabilty) it is dismissed while the Ioniq's (this nav is atrocious) are amplified. Too bad as the site and its sister's have been invaluable to me as I wade into the EV market but enough is enough, I'll miss you!
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love the new model 3 over the previous version..I want one..
I have a 2022 Model 3 SR RWD and it still rips on a long road tip. 2 stops to get from Melbourne to Adelaide here in Australia. Not much slower than a Model 3 LR tbh.
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Jordan is the absolute hero of this series! Definitely deserves a podcast episode of his own to talk about what went into filming and editing.
All I can say is respect to Team M3, you guys optimized it as best as one could do. Also, Joran Shiefer for the hard work editing all the videos.
Vielen Dank! 🫡
This gang ran a perfect race. Thanks to Jordan for being the guy to frequently update the viewing audience on the positions of each car during the race.
The lack of V3 charging in the Plains cost the M3 about 1 hour of trip time.
An I-95 challenge from Maine to Florida would be cool with having to deal with more traffic and cities
Same with I-75. We drive it a couple times a year between Tampa and Ohio. We typically spend about 2-3 hours in traffic jams and 2 hours charging over our 1,100 mile route. I keep telling people that the charging infrastructure isn’t the problem. The problem is the highway infrastructure.
And props to Jordan for a Herculean editing job. I’d love to see a video about that aspect of the adventure. You can have great footage, but it won’t do you any good without great editing.
Spot on Kyle. I looked over some footage last night and we lost about 23 minutes due to handshake issues at chargers, getting pulled over and our Starbucks bathroom detour. We would have likely gotten second otherwise.
I was rooting for you. It was great you came third and I think better than many of us predicted. I had expected both the Lucid and the Mercedes to do better.
why did the cop pull you over?
BUT with that logic, if we had not lost our handshake time challenges with a couple superchargers, our 5 minute delay with EA stop, and our Dunkin Donuts stop… would’ve still stayed ahead. 😎 Plus all our V2 superchargers holding us back…
@@Jordan_Schiefer now you’re sounding like Kyle when he tried to convince us the cybertruck was first in the coast to coast truck race if he adjusted for various things 😀
@@Jordan_SchieferThis is not a healthy debate, frankly. IONIQ 6 and Model 3 did the same time to cross the country, that 15 minute delta was not enough to truly call a winner over 2 days. Too many variables could have impacted the result. Traffic can cause a 15 minute delay on a commute home! To my eye, the Supercharger network didn’t make a massive difference to push Teslas ahead for this race. The CCS networks are catching up. Race again with IONNA in the picture and Supercharger V4 sites in a year or two, we’ll see.
Jordan is amazing, love listening to this guy.
He's awesome. I wanna be friends with the guy
Jordan is the best ❤
@@heyfrancie agree Jordan is great and hey Francie, we miss you, hope you’re doing well.
This team optimiezed the best out of all the teams. They didn't have the battles at the chargers like the CCS teams did. They managed to get through that mess of V2 chargers without losing too much time. Close proximity to the highways gives the Tesla's a leg up in these races. However I have seen the same craziness with the Tesla route planner so I always pad the SOC now after having it pull the rug on me. This team managed everything the best. I do think if Lucid and Ioniq would have managed their races better they would have been all right together in that race for second. I think the Tesla M3 legitimately was a 4th place car neck and neck with the Plaid. CCS problems really did impact the results.
The Lucid's mistake was not charging deeper into the pack. Even at only 134kW after 50%, which then goes up over 160kW around 60% SoC to around 73%, the Lucid could have definitely had a chance to take the Model 3. All the extra time spent getting off the highway and back all the way to CCS stations cost them way more time than staying there longer and skipping a charging location on every stretch.
The Taycan made only 1 mistake that I remember, which was stopping charging a little over 60% SoC where it was still getting 297kW. That caused them to have their only pull back on their speed section to be able get to the next charger.
Great, great work by the Model 3 team, though. Congratulations to all 3 of you. And extra props to Jordan for all the work he did on all these videos. That was a massive undertaking on your part.
46:27 I’m waiting for the directors cut extended version 😀
Imagine a 800V Model 3
Imagine if the Entire Tesla Supercharger network actually supported 800V. Maybe by 2030.
@@dennisschlieckau8723 Ha! The original Supercharger came out in 2012 as well as the V2 in 2013 and we still have lots of those kicking around across the US 12 years later. 800V will be far from universal 5 years from now in 2030.
@@dennisschlieckau8723 they have finished developping the v4 stalls. It supports vehicule 400-1000v charges up to 500kw in fact the CT can peak at 500kw at them. They have managed to make supercharger simpler and more cost effective. The first is comming online jan 2025. And my guess is that the supercharger network will grow exponentionally.
@@Lynyrd_Evnyrd Yeah, not every session needs that fast a speed, so they stay in use rather than being replaced. Maybe one could say that every location will have the 1000v chargers by 2030, even if there are still older chargers as well.
@@Lynyrd_Evnyrd There are currently around 2500 SuC locations in the USA. At any given time throughout the year there are an average of 150 under construction around the country. There are also 680 publicly documented in Planning and Permit phases in US. Tesla just announced they are in the Permitting process to start rolling out the True V4 installations Mid-2025. I’m sure at some point they will start updating some of the Older locations where possible. Most of the Early location leases (10 years) typically are coming to an end. Which means New lease agreements need to be established or the site is shut down and replaced with an updated site Nearby.
would love the total cost of all the cars fuel. You could do a short vid on "total nerd stats" from the trip with other stuff.
I was almost a never-Tesla person. Boy, was I stupid. ..... Long story short, my wife and I now have 2 Model Ys and they've been perfect, not even any creeks or rattles. Now I'm an only-Tesla person.
Thanks Kyle for your excellent video
Thanks to the team !
Don’t hesitate if you need a team for EV testing in cold winter of Quebec:)
good job on editing Jordan! it's crazy how well this car did and the ioniq as well compared to the price tag of the other cars.
I really think the key message is that any of these cars will road trip well. Some will be more comfortable than others.
Infrastructure still needs work, but it was good enough to allow this to happen.
One thing I actually agree with Kyle on, the placement of the chargers is significant. This is one of the things I hope to see improve as CPOs like Pilot, Loves, and TA deploy more chargers.
What was the total cost of charging? I wanted to compare the Tycan, M3, and Acura charging/fuel costs for the total trip.
Always love a multi hour out of spec video, settled down in front of the TV for the last stint and loved it
Honestly, this has been my favorite video series to come out on RUclips in a long time. Incredibly relatable for someone like me trying to better understand the EV industry, options, differences, and tips/tricks to make road trips more efficient.
Rhetorically, I’m baffled as to why Tesla hasn’t improved their charging curve over the past 3-4 years. Is the Taycan thermal management system really that far superior to Tesla’s? Or, Is Tesla just sand bagging to preserve battery longevity? (Anecdotally not what I’m seeing with the used Tesla I recently purchased.
All in all, absolutely LOVED the series and appreciate the time and effort put in! Would love to participate in one of these if you ever need a driver down in Florida! 🙌🏼
This car/team proves that efficiency and charging slightly more than you need is king, not trying to get in at 0 or below using buffer to have the highest charge rates and risking having to slow down to extend range to make it to a charger. This team had an average SOC arrival at a charger of 4%+. This is the way to do it by not having to waste time slowing down and having plenty of energy always.
I think you guys missed a very valuable piece of information that a lot of people would have loved to have heard of!!!!! How much did you spend for charging, and even more so gas, to get there?? I would have loved to known how much gas that Acura took and how much you saved on that Tesla Model. 3?
Model 3 RWD Long Range is the GOAT 🐐🤩
My partner and I just returned from a 3-week trip in our 23 Model 3 from Dallas to Providence - then to Philly, Fort Meade and back home. Used FSD quite a bit (as we got the 30 trial). PHENOMENAL road trip car. Didn’t feel beat down at the end of each day as many cars have done in the past. We’re both over 60 years old - so we didn’t drive over 11 hours each day.
Great awesome eye opening race guys. Thank you so much ! Nothing else has been done compared. What for me comes as a surprise - CCS is not a a problem at all if you drive through America today. Super chargers are not the holy grail. There are 2 clear winners - M3 and the Taycan which is so much in its own league almost legendary. biggest letdown is the Lucid for me, really disappointing
I watched all 10 hrs of this race, great fun. Will you share the data shown in this video. Would love to do some analysis.
Just wait until the new juniper long range rwd comes out… it will be a beast!
Hey Kyle! Any chance you can do a podcast on what went into the idea of doing this race, the planning, preparations, logistics, coordinating with manufacturers, selecting the cars and teams, etc? I don't think this route could have even been done in a non-Tesla before last year (2023)!
Jordan is the real champ! How hard would it be in editing to add a map overlay the whole time so we don’t have to wait for Ryan or Jordan’s update clips?
Great video guys!
Can't wait for the 2025 Reverse I-90 Surge!
And BTW the town in Eastern WA was Ritzville.
They need to do a long distance COLD weather race.
Will be interesting to retry this test once all these cars (and any new competitors in the field) come native with NACS.
OOS rescued my Saturday evenings from some of the most awful TV on the UK networks and made it fun again - thank goodness too for HDMI connectors for TV’s and tablet computers so I could view it on a big screen TV.
Please can we have an even longer run next? How about Norway’s North Cape to Spain’s Tarifa which can be done all by road without ferries - 3424 miles and 53 hours driving not including charging time……….. ABRP reckons 66.5hrs including 26 charging stops in my 2024 Mini Countryman S E. The oldie car maybe should be an old Kona (aka the wind knife for its great efficiency) or a Renault Zoe ZE50 with CCS charging?
Aww. Nice to hear Francie in the ad reads still. Well done Jordan with editing!
This team being able to arrive with single digit SOC at every charger probably also has much to do with the higher availability of Tesla chargers as compared to CCS. When you have options to keep going and the next charger is never more than 20-30 miles down the road, you can really optimize your trip.
Boston to Key West. But leaving Beantown in January or February to test how the EVs handle cold temps on a long road trip. Same car group if possible.
Hi @OutofSpecPodcast, old S85 owner here, that would love to also get a debrief with you and the old model S team. Thanks a million to include old Model S in your I-90 Surge. It was interesting to see the result, quite similar to what I estimate for our vacation road trips. In the end, we don't travel so far. Summer is between 1200km to 1600km (so 1000 miles max), which we always do in two days anyway. Winter is around 900km (550 miles) to the mountain. This distance is done in one day. I estimate it takes us about 2 more hours than a newer Tesla would do. That extra time is mostly spent eating, having a coffee or some shopping. So in the end, yes, the travel time is longer, but it's not crazy longer and turned into something nice and relaxing. And come to think of it, you only notice the slower SuC charging speed during those two vacations journeys. For the rest of the year, on AC charging, it's not an issue. So factoring that, and elements like great UI, planner, charging experience (consistent, not derating...), amazing car space and looks... I'd argue the old Model S is still very much a great value proposition. But I'm biased indeed. So I'd be very happy to hear your thoughts as well.
So if the Ioniq 6 had access to Superchargers on this trip would they have beaten the Model 3? Or was the Supercharger advantage worth less than 15 minutes over a 3,000 mile trip?
The 800v cars don't charge well with the superchargers. V2 and 3 are only 400v compatible. The ioniqs use their motor inverter to step it up but only manage 80KW in them. Vs their native 230KW charging on 800V
@ I know but did the Supercharger network only provide a 15 minute advantage over the course of 3,000 miles? Assuming the Model 3 and Ioniq 6 are roughly comparable cars.
Tesla network actually screwed them on this one, one third of the trip was V2 superchargers which cost them quite a bit of time, probably around an hour.
@@COSolar6419If you are asking this to justify purchasing one car over the other, don't, just get the one you like more.
I would ask you to consider that Ioniq 6 is quite a bit longer with a smaller trunk. That was a big deal for me with a family of 4, living in Europe. It might not matter to you at all if you're a single guy from the US, we parallel park a lot into tight spaces here.😅
@ I am asking whether the Tesla DC fast charging network is actually as superior as many have claimed. In the US it is often cited as the reason to buy a Tesla.
I'd sacrifice some road trip speed for ride comfort, but it's amazing that a cheap car like this can do that.
Can we get a list of the web channels all the people in the race are involved with?
I think that info is in the credits at the end of the final episode of the Surge.
Come roadtrip from Perth to Cairns its only 53 hours / 4800kms.
Would love a video on the cost analysis of all the charging, as well... Nothing was probably close to the M3.
What a car and team
Mind you I’m a Tesla Model 3 owner. I’m not trying to take away anything from the success of Team Tesla Model 3. 🎉
Do we have a link to the spreadsheet with all the data for charging stops?
Curious to see how you can pull this off in an equivalent route in Europe. Oslo to Bucharest or Porto to Berlin would be interesting
I think you should have a scavanger hunt style road trip. You have to get off the highway drive to a location take a photo of the team with SOC and GPS location. Maybe this could also be a camp, cook and run to the next location and see who can do it the quickest. This way you are charging for what you need when taking a detour where there is no charging infrastructure. This would simulate visiting national parks. And see who returns home the quickest. Maybe like the race to vegas but it is the race to national parks. Using different EVs. Your early videos you would visit places in the M3 that you might think you could not. Like dragging on the salt flats.
I've noticed you guys talk about calibrating/breaking in new Teslas when they're fresh. Could you maybe make a video going over how to properly do this on a new Model 3? Should I just drive carefully the first couple of days? Any tips on breaking in the sound system? I'm getting a Model 3 LR AWD in a few weeks and I want to do everything I can to make it the best car it can be.
Yay team Tesla m3! Almost team food. 😂
I hope the fellas enjoyed Culver's! It's a Wisconsin treasure.
Love the good old cracked out man when dropping Tesla off. As a Washingtonian, "Welcome to Seattle" 🤣
Yep, f that place, we don't go there. Sad what they've done to Seattle. Pretty standard night behavior anymore.
Really, really wanted to see the Model S long range on this trip!
I saw a Pulsar on the road the other day and though, "Huh, should have been in the I-90 Surge."
I think the Lucid Air Pure would've performed more like the Ioniq 6 & (maybe) the Model 3.
Plans to share the spreadsheet at some point?
"The genesis of this trip...." Great pun Kyle.
Great video! Curious how Model S Long Range would have fared instead of plaid!
Link to the spreadsheet
Can we find the results anywhere?
Schenectady and Verona, New York are out of order in your spreadsheet
Really great performance by the model 3 team. They are right the lucid should have been very close - especially as the lucid was both intentionally feathered and unintentionally slowed (missed speed limit signs). Also wonder if occupant weight made a difference (understandably putting taller folks in the larger car and smaller folks in the smaller cars). Regardless, commendable performance at these very different price points.
How about Lucid not having to turn back at the earlier stop and not running out of juice... I think a perfectly executed lucid could have done it. They just didn't. And part of that certainly has to be the software just not giving good arrival %s.
the only team that matters!
Efficiency is key to fast road trips. The Model 3 proved it here. If would be so cool if Mercedes would make their next generation EQS as efficient as their EQXX concept car, and match the Taycan's charging curve. 😎
Mercedes CLA is coming. 2025
@@tobias7252 Looking forward to the CLA, for sure! 😎
Thanks! I love getting all this backstory. BTW: take a look at Bio-Captain Kalle from Star Realms. Look familiar?
low charge curve equates to battery longevity equals to keeping your vehicle for a long long time, absolutely loved these 4 podcats, thank you
The Lucid team was mismanaged from the beginning.
Bought the RWD LFP 3 and then they come out with the RWD LR 3 with 363 😮
What happened to Francie ?? I miss her
She's still at the charging station with her VinFast VF8.
Nobody had bottles or portable urinals to at least get a decent piss at superchargers with no good bathrooms? I got kids, having those in the car is a must xD
I do have a pee bottle but have yet to use it! 😄
LOl never watched the full lord of the rings but I did watch all these including this one......
Sounds like Tesla needs to start investing in more high speed charging stations along these interstate stretches.
Hi from Canada,
Montana is a bitch for charging off the route you took just like here in Alberta.
Thanks for the videos!
Here’s a laugh for you.
Next time put a Ford MachE in the race too.
Mine has gotten better at charging and seems a little better on energy use too.
Ive been seeing as good as some of the middle of your pack cars for energy use and charging now.
Ford is trying hard to make it better, it seems.
Next time I want Model Y with Blade battery. Or similar if it’s not sold in US.
The totals were 759 kWh delivered costing $329 or $0.43/kWhr. That didn't include the initial 100% charge. Adding that 82 Kwhr in would add $35. So $364 to go 3100 miles. Assuming $3 gal for gas you would pay the same for a gas car that gets about 26 mpg. I am sure the Model 3 was the lowest cost by a lot considering the supercharger use and its higher efficiency.
And typically most people would charge at home for the initial charge.
I was probably one of the “weird comments” Kyle is talking about. I said the gas car could have lost its lead because it might have needed to get an oil change en route, lol
Next race idea: the 2 best selling EV sedans, suvs, and trucks against the best selling gas and hybrid sedan, suv, and truck. 12 total vehicles. Test the cars people are actually buying.
It feels so satisfying purchasing a new 2024 M3 RWD LR ….. I made the right choice 😊
I propose a S&M race across the country in Chevy Bolts.
OK ok, now I see some low charging speeds and a team on their A game! Put this team in the Lucid and they get 2nd?
Next time start the gas car hours behind the ev cars, would be exciting to see it catch up to the rest instead of just pulling away from them. Would keep them in race mode as well.
I only missed the model3 lfp standard range
*I'm surprised that Model S did so poorly.*
In Europe all cars would compete on the same ccs network. Not every car can do Tesla SuC. But Tesla and all the others can race on Ionity 350 kW chargers.
Or some similar. With the sparcity of high powered chargers in the Plains the Taycan got too much of an advantage whereas the rest of the ccs pack had to share poorer or derated chargers from EA.
Where is Matt?
Awesome job Jordan on the editing! I loved the drone shot at the end!
Kyle said in the wrap up of the race that he wasn't convinced with the 800V charging. Just imagine the Model 3 efficiency and range with the Porsche or Ioniq 5 charging speeds! It probably would have beaten the Porsche.
The stench of musk
Only weak simpletons think like that.
Keep coping.
I sounds like Tesla needs to do a better job on the availability status of their supercharging network.
Out of spec Nerds
Nerds make your life better. And rule the world.
If Superchargers were open to all car makes than I think Lucid and Ioniq 6 would have beaten all Teslas. Lucid had the best range before the mountain pass but went too fast over the elevation and lost efficiency.
Which had the lowest cost of charging
So my take away from this whole thing is not range, not charging speed but how good is the buffet. If you are enjoying life a few minutes is nothing.
No one volunteered in a leaf?
Could a Leaf beat the Old Tesla Model S?
Not going to lie I would totally watch another one of these with the worst charging cars. Leaf, Bolt, Mach-e... All the ones you don't want to be behind at the charging station.
@@weyrleaderkev lol unfortunately not. Especially if its one of the 2014 models of Leaf
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Still could understand the name of the app. 🤣
The tracking app? Life360.
Agree the model 3 is the best car value in the world. Have the new 2024 model 3 for my fiancée and a model S Plaid for myself. The new 3 is so well built, driving dynamics and comfort superb and its extremely efficient. Plaid now is just for the performance experience. For everyday use the base model 3 is actually the better choice. Amazing value!
One key takeaway I have from this that hasn't been mentioned yet, is that the fact that there were 3-4 CCS cars coming into the same charging stations, and in a few instances, they were for sure affecting the charging performance for each other. I can recall at least 2-3 times that someone was charging, the other car pulled in and all the sudden the first car was derated. So, I think it is important to note that you don't have nearly as much of this issue at Tesla stations, yes you need to pay attention at V2 stations, but if I recall correctly derating at V3 stations is way less of an issue.
Great project, unfortunately spoiled by the Tesla excusing commentary; at every tunr when the Tesla showed with understandable issues (route planning, cameras disabled, V2 availabilty) it is dismissed while the Ioniq's (this nav is atrocious) are amplified. Too bad as the site and its sister's have been invaluable to me as I wade into the EV market but enough is enough, I'll miss you!
love the new model 3 over the previous version..I want one..
I have a 2022 Model 3 SR RWD and it still rips on a long road tip. 2 stops to get from Melbourne to Adelaide here in Australia. Not much slower than a Model 3 LR tbh.
It would be slower if you get snow. Slower charging in the cold, slower traction in the snow, etc.
@KP-xi4bj not much snow in Adelaide, Australia 🦘
@@MatthewBayard Snow in the winter in Canada. That's where the AWD (Long Range) Model 3 shines.
No Chinese EVs😂