Super cute! I could live in it full time.. I would be outside all the time and use it for sleep and maybe cooking.. it made more for spending your time outside.. I love it!
I rented a small aliner this summer. There's no fridge in the small one, but you could get a dometic chest fridge. It can make camping more comfortable, it's like a big hard sided tent. But I couldn't live in one. Too cramped, no comforts, bed was too small. The saying you don't live in this, you live out of it, is cool in theory but there are days that's not practical. Like when the weather sucks or you find yourself over nighting somewhere crappy like KOA or Walmart. Plus there comes a time every day I want to go inside and chill. One night I found myself driving in the dark and the driving rain and I just went screw this and found a hotel. The dog (golden retriever) took up every bit of floor space when he laid down. He was confused. Of course renting means I couldn't modify the thing, and was unwilling to spend much money on extra gear for a single trip. Down2mob lived in an aliner for a few months.
@@30AndAWakeUp I thought the things it were missing were batteries, a refrigerator, mattress topper, fresh water tank, grey tank, and water pump for the sink (5 gallon jugs would do), and a cooker (induction cooker worked fine). So not that difficult. I was towing it with a truck so storage wasn't an issue. I did camp in it in the rain another night when I got set up before the rain started, stayed dry. I suppose the advantage over a van is you can unhook your living space. Down2mob was towing with a jeep gladiator, he'd unhook and go 4 wheeling.
The one with the toilet/ shower combo is an Aliner LXE. That area with all the seating turns into a king size bed 80x76”. You can choose a smaller bed in order to keep the two person dinette up. It’s a 12 foot box with total length of 15 feet which means you can keep in your garage and not pay for storage. It holds 17 gallons of water - 11 in the tank and 6 in the water heater. The cassette toilet has its own 5 gallon water supply. The bed size (hubby needs lots of space) and the ability to have a toilet and shower available is what sold me on this model. Mine is on order and should be here in the next month.
Love the A-Liner Travel trailers...I am avid tent camper and sometimes when you are in bear country, it's better to have a hard top trailer like this. I've slept in an A-Liner and they are very comfy. Keep up the great videos Kevin!
You should have had the salesperson walk you through the units before you did this video,as you missed so many great features. The 2 burner stoves are portable, usually able to be used inside or outside and stored under the bed. The are on platform that sits on the rail in the side with a propane quick connect or used on the counter inside with a propane quick connect that is under the front bench. The front “sitting area” is the small dinette. It’s perfect to make up as a couch or sleep a few grandkids on too. The larger bed is typically a larger dinette or couch during the day (it just slides out with another piece of wood) however I keep mine as a bed, just make the bed a bit smaller for a more roomy situation. I use the ExPed Mega Mat Duo 10 which has an R value of 9.5 & is easily adjustable firmness. I can leave the bed made, even in travel mode. The front table space can also be secured storage by placing the table on its side slid into a channel upright, basically making an enclosed space. There are usually several exterior storage areas that can also be accessed from inside, so in mine I keep the kitchen stuff in the front storage bay on the curb side, allowing me to get to things from the outside, but I’m also able to easily grab a small butane stove to boil water for tea at night. The back bay I use for tools, chocks, power hose, insect spray, decor stuff, chairs, leveling blocks & a drill to put the stabilizers up and down. The stove usually rides under the larger bed in a cupboard. Since I probably bring too much, I usually keep my clothes bag in the back of my rig,which makes it convenient for hitting the campground showers. I took my elderly mom camping when we traveled to AZ & although she was very hesitant at first, she really enjoyed camping in it. She found it very easy to set up and would hold the clips I use for the bar assists & help with making sure I did all my safety checks. She didn’t even mind that we didn’t have a toilet at night and used the urinal several times each night. She found it much simpler than a portable potty. I have a 2017 Aliner Classic OffRoad. It has lots of ground clearance, sleeps 3-4 in the two beds (small grandkids). I don’t have an air conditioner but lots of windows & a strong fan. I live in Washington, so it’s not too necessary. It has a heater, sink, microwave, fridge, stove. I usually stay with friends so I hook up power & run a small electric heater,which I prefer over the louder RV heaters. I also like an electric blanket,which is much quieter. I typically cook & clean everything outside when I camp, so I don’t even use the inside sink. A pump up garden sprayer works great for me. I have a portable toilet and tent but have rarely used it and rarely take it, but I could & use the outside shower (hot water heater). I have a basic small urinal to pee late at night & it’s never been a problem. I keep a spray bottle of vinegar/dr Bonners/water for cleaning up. I have dormers on mine and it feels big to me. I’ve had a 1987 Coleman Columbia pop-up tent trailer that actually was longer inside & slept up to 6, but it was old & was more narrow, so my partner was cramped in the beds. My Aliner is about 6’6” wide,so about 6’1” length of bed in mine. The box is about 10 feet long. The center height is about 8’ tall at tallest point. The Expedition & LXE, I believe, are 7 feet wide. There is a more narrow one also. They tow and follow great, I use a Honda Pilot. I love the low profile when traveling down the road. They maneuver well when you back up and in a pinch, you can hook it up to trailer hand cart to adjust it into position.
We had a 2006 LXE that we towed for about 40k miles with a 2.4l Chevy Cobalt SS. Our shower looked exadctly like that, but the toilet was facing the other way. We had a 3 burner stove in ours, 3 way fridge/freezer, microwave, inverter, TV, etc. and even a king sized bed - just no room inside, as you can imagine. They didn't make a dormer model in 06. All the new features like dormers add weight. Ours was the old aluminum skinned models. Now they skin them with fiberglass, which is more dent resistant, but heavier. With all the bells and whistles and a full tank of water ours only weighed in at around 1,700 lbs ready to camp. We loved ours for a week or two vacation, but they would be tough for two people to live in one. You'd have to really love each other a lot, if you know what I mean. We sure loved it, as it allowed us to go on vacation for practically nothing. This rig got 22-25 mpg towing - and over 30mpg after dropping the Aliner at camp. Now that we are FT, we live in a 1999, 36ft National motorhome for some essential privacy that our Aliner, as good as it was, just couldn't deliver.
@@30AndAWakeUp You're welcome. I forgot, but a few years back I did a blog article about my Aliner for Bob Wells, over at the Cheap RV Living van dweller forum, if anyone is interested in more info on the subject. www.cheaprvliving.com/which-vehicle-to-live-in/living-traveling-pop-aliner-trailer/ It was back in 2014 and the image hosting site I was using shut down, so pics of my rig aren't available there anymore, but the write up is still there.
I like the folding concept and easy looking towing, but the equipment seems a little frail. Would like to see an upscale model that had a better quality sink and stove. Add compressor refrig, factory solar and powerful batteries (200ah maybe) and more durable cabinetry. And of course inside fresh water tank and lines for winter use.
The fold up design of these really works well for a lot of folks. Check out Chalet Inc. also. They manufacture the same design but in my opinion, higher quality (and a much smaller company). I have a Chalet with the same configuration as the Aliner (at 5:00 min. in the video). It has the "Trail Boss" package so it's lifted with off road tires, heavy duty stabilizers and steps. This thing has 11 inches of ground clearance. I find the frame to be more robust than Aliner as well with a heavy duty axel and leaf spring suspension. I've hauled this camper across river beds, really bad forest roads and into places where there was no road at all. I can see over the top while towing and is doesn't threaten to "tip" if the angle gets severe off-road. This thing goes places that no van, RV and few towables will ever go. It fits the bill for me nicely because I like to go as remote as I can. These are a much better deal if you can find a used one of course. I was fortunate to find a used one locally.
This is the type of camper I would like!! Makes me want to go shopping! We just want something a little more bear proof than a tent where we dont have to worry about the rain!!😀😀 I enjoyed the tour!
I used to have a Aliner for several years. It was awesome, as there was little wind drag when pulling. My unit had no bathroom. I pulled it all over the western US & Canada.
So cool. It's such a flexible little trailer and with all the portable toilet options now. Would be easy to just drag one along with you now. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
I was a child in a camping family and we "moved up" from a canvas tent to a "Scamper" which was a pop-up camper with canvas sides & basically just dinettes that made into bed & beds in the canvas wings, too for us four children. No real amenities but we loved it and this would be ideal for those families, especially with AC in places like Myrtle Beach with the heat & humidity! Oh my gosh-- canvas gets SO hot! It won't work for me now but I am in a unique target audience, I need "facilities" on board for my disabled son, but I love those cute A-liners for their market!
I like these. Easy to tow. Only issue might be winter camping due to windows. Do they have 4 season model? This would be a great hunting camp for my dad.
I had one and put reflectix over my windows and shoved it up in the bubble skylights for great insulation summer and winter. They are built out of SIP panels of sandwiched styrofoam, so the walls, roof and floor are well insulated. You just need to make sure the walls seal well or air can leak in there. Replacing the foam seals every few years helps. I've also seen people shove pool noodles around the edges of the wall where it meets the ceiling. I lived in Louisiana and never camped in super cold weather, so I didn't find the pool noodle trick was needed. With the Reflectix added, the 5,000 BTU AC mine came with was sufficient to cool it in hot Louisiana summers. I used a little 3,000 BTU Coleman catalytic heater to keep it plenty warm in the winter down to around freezing. I never camped much below freezing.
My aunt and uncle travel all over with one of these. It's not tiny but definitely not that enormous one. They pull it with a Cherokee. I have a Hi-Lo in my driveway right now. Similar concept. I like the towability.
If you ever get to check out a Safari Condor Alto I would recommend it. I am not a fan of a liners or pop up configurations but the pop top of a Condor Alto is sweet.
They look awesome. Wish we had them in the UK. I think I could live in one but not full time. Thanks for showing us though what USA has to offer. Jonathan 🇬🇧
Thanks for the review! I don't think I could live in one full time, but a smaller A-Liner is definitely on my list to consider for travel, camping, weekend outings, etc. One huge advantage is, you could tow it with a 4x4, then leave it at the campsite and still be able to explore via some roads that might not be best for larger RV's. Disadvantage is, having to set up and take down. I'm only 5 ft, and I've experimented at RV shows in the past with set up and take down of these trailers, it's a bit more difficult for us shorties, but doable. One big advantage is price, even though these are fairly expensive new for what you get, it's much less than buying a full RV, especially for those of us keeping our everyday vehicles.
Are you looking for another setup? I like a 4x4 Truck with a pop up camper shell. Four Wheel Campers has a Project M, AT Overland has the Atlas or Summit. Looking for a truck, but now is not a good time to buy a car...dealers aren't dealing, especially on trucks. I live in SF Bay Area and full size trucks are selling like hotcakes?? Either inventory is low or everyone who lives in large urban areas wants a big pickup. Maybe for SHTF? :)
Yeah, it's a tough time to buy for sure. I've noticed that in the RV industry for sure. Nah, not looking for another setup...just admiring other ways to do this.
Nope, my suggestion is if you are going solo - female, have back issues, arthritis or some mobility issues you need to try putting it up and down several times before buying. Those walls are heavy and you really need to make sure that you can consistently do it.
This is actually the most important point about Aliners. I loved the space, the low towing weight, all the abundant windows, really easy to heat and cool, but it was really tough to lift it up. It only gets worse over a few years, because the springs will fatigue. People store them closed, but you really need to store them open to release stress on the springs. I lived in it for a year and a half though, and I was the second owner, and I had zero issues with it. I miss it sometimes. I mostly had to get rid of it because it shook so furiously in wind storms.
I really love the open interior space of these because the ceiling is tall and feels like a little cabin. But because the walls fold they can’t put cabinets on them, so storage is lacking. For a weekend that’s fine, but it would probably get tiresome to live in. The way ALiner installs the A/C hanging out the side where it’s vulnerable seems like a disaster waiting to happen. I like the Cool Cat unit that other brands use that fits completely inside. And it’s unforgivable that they don’t have a grey tank-letting used water drain onto the ground is a huge faux pas at campgrounds, for good reason. Having to deal with buckets just isn’t very civilized and seems really cheap. Because of the shape it’s difficult to install an awning, so you end up needing to carry a separate EZ-Up. But there’s an undeniable charm about them that makes me want to ignore their shortcomings.
I like your comments relating to living out of a rig, not living in it. I could l live in a small trailer when traveling by myself, normally I live out of a small tent.
Hey Kevin , I enjoyed the video. I was surprised by the wet bath in that unit. I agree , that lighter wood color throughout was a nice touch. Definitely need the AC. Thanks for the video.
PS:) a little earlier, I mentioned Lance travel trailers, the smallest one is the 1475, int length 14.75', about 3 yrs ago the 1475 actually had 2 Lazy Boy swivel seats parallel to the kitchen area & the floor plan is excellent. Presently, 2021, the Lance 1475 comes with a dual reclining sofa & Lance also makes a very small super functional slide in called the 650 (or 6.5'). Palomino makes a 2021 poptop slide in with a wet bath for less than $14k... Caio Bro!
The littlest one did NOT have a fridge. What you saw was the heater. Both of the Aliners you looked at have a table that sets up to make a dinette on one side. The tables were down in their travel position.
$30K for any A liner feels like a lot. My wife and I bought our 2020 Promaster for $35K. Now we're up to about $45K with the build out. So an extra $15K feels way worth it to me for a camper van. Now, that $12K model that you liked a lot is much more our style. I'd definitely consider that model, the price is far more reasonable for what you get, in my humble opinion. Thanks for the video. Love these tours!
I could do it, but- I do like my creature comforts!!! So much to like about these Aliners: lightweight, low CoG, low CoDrag, solid roof panels, all ready for Solar, pretty good inside storage. Really, much to like. Can't say enough about windows...
I used to own one of these. Great little camper, easy to tow. I would take it out six weeks at a time but was convinced I could live out of it. There were three things I wanted in a bigger camper: a shower, a freezer (it had a refrigerator but no freezer), and it generator. In hindsight I would nix the generator. Very fun camper, I pulled it with a Honda minivan.
I'm camping right now at a rest stop in Connecticut in my 2020 aliner Scout light ... Mine has an air conditioner microwave refrigerator Keurig machine toaster TV and a small space electric heater.. I run a Honda eu2000i it works perfectly for me... I highly recommend it for someone by themselves this is going to hold me over till I order my storyteller mode...like the one you're probably going to be buying soon 🤣😷🤔
Oh nice! haha....maybe! if you keep the aliner you could tow it with the STO when you wanted a little more space. So cool Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
I like these aliners. As someone who lives ina neighbors with an HOA that doesn’t allow RVs unless they are in the garage, these are very attractive. I’ve owned several class A RVs and a class B, now looking to downsize. The models with a shower and cassette toilet seem ideal to me. With all the options available to bring along solar generators, these definitely fit what I’m looking for.
I have owned the the small Aliner for about ten years and liked it. The only thing that I wish is that I had got the mini Aliner, which is one size smaller and 600 lbs.
Definitely could live in a small travel trailer with a USB charged (top access) Waeco 90L fridge/freezer, solar & an induction cooktop; also being a content Bachelor. Those "bump outs" in the larger units are called Dormers, just like Cape Cod style homes. If you like travel trailers - check out Lance & the optimal Bruder EXP6. Nice work Kevin!!
Great video showing all of the options out there. It does look roomier than it would appear to be. It’s not for me because I don’t wanna tow anything. But for somebody who does who wants to get away and have some adventure this would be a perfect solution and a perfect price with lots of possibilities.
I have a spot in my heart for the pop-ups, my family had a classic Coleman canvas pop-up trailer when I was a kid. My dad did a very basic conversion in Chevy cargo van to pull it and we had a lot of memorable longer road trips and shorter camping trips in WI. I don’t know about full-time! Maybe, if you were mostly out in wilderness and stayed for a week or more at a time. Thanks for the tours and including the info. ✌🏻
Thanks for another great tour video. Love Slim’s video, funny guy. These A-liners are so cute abd compact. I wonder how they would do in extreme weather? 😊
I like them. Is there a ton of condensation with all those windows and limited space? I saw someone using one for winter camping and he used pool noodles (inside) for insulation.
I think these A frames are pretty cool, especially that bump-out one with shower. Just a bit too much setup each night for me to consider it for full time. Perhaps a great option for weekenders instead of getting a travel trailer since these Aliners can fit in a garage and don't take up much space and can be towed by most vehicles.
Yeah, I've never set one up, so I couldn't really speak to that. Their website did say 1 minute set up but that sounds ambitious! Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
I’ve always liked the A-Liner, but if I was going to go with a trailer, I’d go with a NuCamp Tab S. They have an excellent reputation, an off-road boondock edition, and just switched to a cassette toilet in the last year or two.
I love slim, he’s got a great channel also. I don’t think I could use a A liner myself. I do like the Black series HQ15. They are expensive but made to drag up a mountain.
Great video! I like the Rockwood Hard Side Pop-Up campers better than Aliner. The A/C doesn't hang half outside like the Aliner and the interior styling is nicer. Rockwood gives you way more than Aliner and better price too :o)
I like the look of an A-Liner, but I don't think I'd be comfortable dragging something behind me. Plus, if I get the feeling to flee, I can't jump in the front seat and go. Id have to break it down then hop into a vehicle. Too much potential for things to go seriously wrong, if I'm uncomfortable with surroundings.
I think you would put a Volta Power System Solid State Generator package in your jeep and run an extension cable to the travel trailer. And when you're not "home" the things that must run 24 hours per day, can run on the factory's standard battery bank. It's still hard for me to imagine you downsizing from the luxurious interior of the Travato NPE, to a smaller space like the trailers or the Mercedes Sprinter 4x4 storyteller adventure van, although I know you've traveled with only a backpack. But next month we'll see if you can still survive comfortably with less. ;-)
I would definitely try to put a Volta inside! ha! I get that for sure. I am hanging out in mine this morning thinking about the space difference in the Storyteller. It's 2 feet shorter. So that's going to be interesting.
I used to have an LXE model that I pulled with a 2.4 l Chevy Cobalt for years. I met a fellow Aliner camper who towed his with a VW diesel. He claimed to get 30 mpg towing! I believe him.
I really like the size, they are probably easy to maneuver. The huge downside for a full timer is the inability to stay the night somewhere like a Cracker Barrel, Walmart, on the street, etc...
The video is little dark but great quick see it all review! I have a Jeep actually couple jeeps and a liner will be perfect for it. But I still prefer my class b.
We considered one of these but went with a Travato, so nice to just stop for lunch at a rest area and have a kitchen available. We enjoy Slim's videos too.
I've seen a few nomads in the Aliner. They operate well in all climates. Personally, I'd have to go with the larger off road version. Good comparison of rigs, Kevin.
I was in the military for 20 years and did a bunch of deployments. While deployed, many military members countdown the days until they return home to their family. Instead of saying we have "100 days until we return," we say we have “99 and a wake up” to make it seem like a shorter time period. In March 2019, I left my job as a lawyer to travel full-time as a travel vlogger. I travel the world by moving to a different location every 30 days. When I arrive at a new city or country, I'll have "30 And A Wake Up" until I move to the next location!
@@30AndAWakeUp I’m the retired CG Master Chief, formerly G138...keep changing my RUclips name. 🤣 When I was active I use to started my calendar the day leaving port....180 days. Haven’t watched any of you non RUclips travel videos but figured the 30 Day thing had a military connection. You must have been a Brown Shoe...I was a Black Shoe all my 30 military life. 😂 Be safe out there bro.
I've been watching these aliners for about 2 years. They were expensive then, but now they're absolutely beyond what I'm willing to pay. $25-30k? I'll stick with tent camping or go with a small hard side. 😩
We seriously considered a large A-Frame with the bath/shower before we purchased our first Class B (Roadtrek) 7 years ago. Glad we went with the Class B. Easy to park, always have your house with you, easy to boondock. Impatiently waiting for our Travato GL delivery next month.
Super cute! I could live in it full time.. I would be outside all the time and use it for sleep and maybe cooking.. it made more for spending your time outside.. I love it!
Yes ma'am! nice use of the campfire emoji!!! :)
Its an awesome emoji ❤️
That fold up shower is totally Slim's design. He traveled in Abner for a lot of years.
I wonder if they did that in response to his vids.Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
We are looking at the Scout model for our weekend trout fishing trips. I rented one last year and it was perfect!
Yeah, I really like them
I like them! Very cool design.... could not “live” in one but camping sure thing... thanks for the tour
Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚍
I rented a small aliner this summer. There's no fridge in the small one, but you could get a dometic chest fridge. It can make camping more comfortable, it's like a big hard sided tent. But I couldn't live in one. Too cramped, no comforts, bed was too small. The saying you don't live in this, you live out of it, is cool in theory but there are days that's not practical. Like when the weather sucks or you find yourself over nighting somewhere crappy like KOA or Walmart. Plus there comes a time every day I want to go inside and chill. One night I found myself driving in the dark and the driving rain and I just went screw this and found a hotel. The dog (golden retriever) took up every bit of floor space when he laid down. He was confused.
Of course renting means I couldn't modify the thing, and was unwilling to spend much money on extra gear for a single trip. Down2mob lived in an aliner for a few months.
How easy do you think it would be to make it comfortable?
@@30AndAWakeUp I thought the things it were missing were batteries, a refrigerator, mattress topper, fresh water tank, grey tank, and water pump for the sink (5 gallon jugs would do), and a cooker (induction cooker worked fine). So not that difficult. I was towing it with a truck so storage wasn't an issue. I did camp in it in the rain another night when I got set up before the rain started, stayed dry. I suppose the advantage over a van is you can unhook your living space. Down2mob was towing with a jeep gladiator, he'd unhook and go 4 wheeling.
@@xToddmcx Thanks.
That Down2Mob guy rocks. His videos are pretty inspiring...if you live out west, that is.
The one with the toilet/ shower combo is an Aliner LXE. That area with all the seating turns into a king size bed 80x76”. You can choose a smaller bed in order to keep the two person dinette up. It’s a 12 foot box with total length of 15 feet which means you can keep in your garage and not pay for storage. It holds 17 gallons of water - 11 in the tank and 6 in the water heater. The cassette toilet has its own 5 gallon water supply. The bed size (hubby needs lots of space) and the ability to have a toilet and shower available is what sold me on this model. Mine is on order and should be here in the next month.
Very cool...thanks for that info and congrats on the rig!
Wow, A-liners have come a very long way. Very nice. Thanks for showing them up close and personal!
Yeah, really like what they've done with them.
Love the A-Liner Travel trailers...I am avid tent camper and sometimes when you are in bear country, it's better to have a hard top trailer like this. I've slept in an A-Liner and they are very comfy. Keep up the great videos Kevin!
Yeah, I really like them. Definitely something I'd consider if I wasn't so into vans! Thanks for watching and commenting, Michelle. 🚌
It's great for the right camper. Thank you for the great review, Kevin.
Thanks for watching and commenting, Sam. 🚌
I like those little campers. They are cute and affordable. You don’t have to buy a huge truck to pull it either. Nice video. Thanks
Yeah, they are definitely a cool option. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
I love my old 2004 Aliner! Still going strong :)
So cool...I love them.
Have you ever seen the 'English Pennliner' the UK version of an 'A' frame pop up camper ? well made and totally insulated etc, well worth a look at
I'll check it out. Thanks for the tip.
You should have had the salesperson walk you through the units before you did this video,as you missed so many great features.
The 2 burner stoves are portable, usually able to be used inside or outside and stored under the bed. The are on platform that sits on the rail in the side with a propane quick connect or used on the counter inside with a propane quick connect that is under the front bench. The front “sitting area” is the small dinette. It’s perfect to make up as a couch or sleep a few grandkids on too. The larger bed is typically a larger dinette or couch during the day (it just slides out with another piece of wood) however I keep mine as a bed, just make the bed a bit smaller for a more roomy situation. I use the ExPed Mega Mat Duo 10 which has an R value of 9.5 & is easily adjustable firmness. I can leave the bed made, even in travel mode. The front table space can also be secured storage by placing the table on its side slid into a channel upright, basically making an enclosed space. There are usually several exterior storage areas that can also be accessed from inside, so in mine I keep the kitchen stuff in the front storage bay on the curb side, allowing me to get to things from the outside, but I’m also able to easily grab a small butane stove to boil water for tea at night. The back bay I use for tools, chocks, power hose, insect spray, decor stuff, chairs, leveling blocks & a drill to put the stabilizers up and down. The stove usually rides under the larger bed in a cupboard. Since I probably bring too much, I usually keep my clothes bag in the back of my rig,which makes it convenient for hitting the campground showers. I took my elderly mom camping when we traveled to AZ & although she was very hesitant at first, she really enjoyed camping in it. She found it very easy to set up and would hold the clips I use for the bar assists & help with making sure I did all my safety checks. She didn’t even mind that we didn’t have a toilet at night and used the urinal several times each night. She found it much simpler than a portable potty.
I have a 2017 Aliner Classic OffRoad. It has lots of ground clearance, sleeps 3-4 in the two beds (small grandkids). I don’t have an air conditioner but lots of windows & a strong fan. I live in Washington, so it’s not too necessary. It has a heater, sink, microwave, fridge, stove. I usually stay with friends so I hook up power & run a small electric heater,which I prefer over the louder RV heaters. I also like an electric blanket,which is much quieter. I typically cook & clean everything outside when I camp, so I don’t even use the inside sink. A pump up garden sprayer works great for me. I have a portable toilet and tent but have rarely used it and rarely take it, but I could & use the outside shower (hot water heater). I have a basic small urinal to pee late at night & it’s never been a problem. I keep a spray bottle of vinegar/dr Bonners/water for cleaning up. I have dormers on mine and it feels big to me. I’ve had a 1987 Coleman Columbia pop-up tent trailer that actually was longer inside & slept up to 6, but it was old & was more narrow, so my partner was cramped in the beds. My Aliner is about 6’6” wide,so about 6’1” length of bed in mine. The box is about 10 feet long. The center height is about 8’ tall at tallest point. The Expedition & LXE, I believe, are 7 feet wide. There is a more narrow one also. They tow and follow great, I use a Honda Pilot. I love the low profile when traveling down the road. They maneuver well when you back up and in a pinch, you can hook it up to trailer hand cart to adjust it into position.
Yeah, I should have. Thanks for the awesome info! :) I love those aliners.
I`m thinking about one, but I am old. I want one I can pay off fast. Because I plan to live in it fulltime for years.
I really like those A frames!
I would also use it as a guest house. Lol
That's a great idea! Maybe even Airbnb it out! Ha! Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
We had a 2006 LXE that we towed for about 40k miles with a 2.4l Chevy Cobalt SS. Our shower looked exadctly like that, but the toilet was facing the other way. We had a 3 burner stove in ours, 3 way fridge/freezer, microwave, inverter, TV, etc. and even a king sized bed - just no room inside, as you can imagine. They didn't make a dormer model in 06. All the new features like dormers add weight. Ours was the old aluminum skinned models. Now they skin them with fiberglass, which is more dent resistant, but heavier. With all the bells and whistles and a full tank of water ours only weighed in at around 1,700 lbs ready to camp. We loved ours for a week or two vacation, but they would be tough for two people to live in one. You'd have to really love each other a lot, if you know what I mean. We sure loved it, as it allowed us to go on vacation for practically nothing. This rig got 22-25 mpg towing - and over 30mpg after dropping the Aliner at camp. Now that we are FT, we live in a 1999, 36ft National motorhome for some essential privacy that our Aliner, as good as it was, just couldn't deliver.
Very cool. Thanks for sharing your experience, Chip.
@@30AndAWakeUp You're welcome. I forgot, but a few years back I did a blog article about my Aliner for Bob Wells, over at the Cheap RV Living van dweller forum, if anyone is interested in more info on the subject. www.cheaprvliving.com/which-vehicle-to-live-in/living-traveling-pop-aliner-trailer/ It was back in 2014 and the image hosting site I was using shut down, so pics of my rig aren't available there anymore, but the write up is still there.
I like the folding concept and easy looking towing, but the equipment seems a little frail. Would like to see an upscale model that had a better quality sink and stove. Add compressor refrig, factory solar and powerful batteries (200ah maybe) and more durable cabinetry. And of course inside fresh water tank and lines for winter use.
Yeah, that's some good points and additions I would need as well. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
I would consider a weekender, but everyone has different preferences. Looks like the Tampa show was a good time.
Yeah, agree for sure. I enjoyed the Tampa Show...hopefully next year it'll be back to normal.
I am also a big Slim Potatohead fan! Good video!
Yeah, he really is great. I seem to mostly watch the Canadiens: Slim, Van City and Foresty Forest.
I hope my words come out right someone who live in one of those he was from Canada and it was cool especially seeing him in the winter time
Yeah, Slim Potatohead is his channel. He's one of my favs.
I like that the A-frame that be cool to go places so happy travels and stay safe because of where you're at right now 🤙🤙🤙
Thank you!
The fold up design of these really works well for a lot of folks. Check out Chalet Inc. also. They manufacture the same design but in my opinion, higher quality (and a much smaller company). I have a Chalet with the same configuration as the Aliner (at 5:00 min. in the video). It has the "Trail Boss" package so it's lifted with off road tires, heavy duty stabilizers and steps. This thing has 11 inches of ground clearance. I find the frame to be more robust than Aliner as well with a heavy duty axel and leaf spring suspension. I've hauled this camper across river beds, really bad forest roads and into places where there was no road at all. I can see over the top while towing and is doesn't threaten to "tip" if the angle gets severe off-road. This thing goes places that no van, RV and few towables will ever go. It fits the bill for me nicely because I like to go as remote as I can. These are a much better deal if you can find a used one of course. I was fortunate to find a used one locally.
I'll check it out. thanks!
This is the type of camper I would like!! Makes me want to go shopping! We just want something a little more bear proof than a tent where we dont have to worry about the rain!!😀😀 I enjoyed the tour!
haha..yeah...bear proof is definitely a consideration! ha!
I used to have a Aliner for several years. It was awesome, as there was little wind drag when pulling. My unit had no bathroom. I pulled it all over the western US & Canada.
So cool. It's such a flexible little trailer and with all the portable toilet options now. Would be easy to just drag one along with you now. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
Where did you camp usually?
I was a child in a camping family and we "moved up" from a canvas tent to a "Scamper" which was a pop-up camper with canvas sides & basically just dinettes that made into bed & beds in the canvas wings, too for us four children. No real amenities but we loved it and this would be ideal for those families, especially with AC in places like Myrtle Beach with the heat & humidity! Oh my gosh-- canvas gets SO hot! It won't work for me now but I am in a unique target audience, I need "facilities" on board for my disabled son, but I love those cute A-liners for their market!
Yeah, they are cute! But I get why they wouldn't work for you. Thanks for watching and commenting, Linda.
I like these. Easy to tow. Only issue might be winter camping due to windows. Do they have 4 season model? This would be a great hunting camp for my dad.
Im not sure. I think the windows are 4-season - Slim Potatohead used his in Canada in the winter.
I had one and put reflectix over my windows and shoved it up in the bubble skylights for great insulation summer and winter. They are built out of SIP panels of sandwiched styrofoam, so the walls, roof and floor are well insulated. You just need to make sure the walls seal well or air can leak in there. Replacing the foam seals every few years helps. I've also seen people shove pool noodles around the edges of the wall where it meets the ceiling. I lived in Louisiana and never camped in super cold weather, so I didn't find the pool noodle trick was needed. With the Reflectix added, the 5,000 BTU AC mine came with was sufficient to cool it in hot Louisiana summers. I used a little 3,000 BTU Coleman catalytic heater to keep it plenty warm in the winter down to around freezing. I never camped much below freezing.
My aunt and uncle travel all over with one of these. It's not tiny but definitely not that enormous one. They pull it with a Cherokee. I have a Hi-Lo in my driveway right now. Similar concept. I like the towability.
Yeah, they are so maneuverable ...cool that your aunt and uncle travel in one. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
If you ever get to check out a Safari Condor Alto I would recommend it. I am not a fan of a liners or pop up configurations but the pop top of a Condor Alto is sweet.
I'll check it out. Thanks for the rec and thanks for watching, Anthoney.
They look awesome. Wish we had them in the UK. I think I could live in one but not full time. Thanks for showing us though what USA has to offer. Jonathan 🇬🇧
Glad you liked the vid. Appreciate you stopping by again Jonathan.
Especially in windy conditions the sleek lower profile A liner would less likely be tossed by the cross winds while going down the highway.
Yeah, that's a good point for sure. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
Thanks for the review! I don't think I could live in one full time, but a smaller A-Liner is definitely on my list to consider for travel, camping, weekend outings, etc. One huge advantage is, you could tow it with a 4x4, then leave it at the campsite and still be able to explore via some roads that might not be best for larger RV's. Disadvantage is, having to set up and take down. I'm only 5 ft, and I've experimented at RV shows in the past with set up and take down of these trailers, it's a bit more difficult for us shorties, but doable. One big advantage is price, even though these are fairly expensive new for what you get, it's much less than buying a full RV, especially for those of us keeping our everyday vehicles.
Yeah, it would be cool to leave it as a base camp for exploring. Thanks for sharing your specific experience. I didn't even think about that.
Ive had one for years and love it!
They are really cool.
Are you looking for another setup? I like a 4x4 Truck with a pop up camper shell. Four Wheel Campers has a Project M, AT Overland has the Atlas or Summit. Looking for a truck, but now is not a good time to buy a car...dealers aren't dealing, especially on trucks. I live in SF Bay Area and full size trucks are selling like hotcakes?? Either inventory is low or everyone who lives in large urban areas wants a big pickup. Maybe for SHTF? :)
Yeah, it's a tough time to buy for sure. I've noticed that in the RV industry for sure. Nah, not looking for another setup...just admiring other ways to do this.
Nope, my suggestion is if you are going solo - female, have back issues, arthritis or some mobility issues you need to try putting it up and down several times before buying. Those walls are heavy and you really need to make sure that you can consistently do it.
Good points for sure. Thanks for stopping by again, Gnomie!
This is actually the most important point about Aliners. I loved the space, the low towing weight, all the abundant windows, really easy to heat and cool, but it was really tough to lift it up. It only gets worse over a few years, because the springs will fatigue. People store them closed, but you really need to store them open to release stress on the springs. I lived in it for a year and a half though, and I was the second owner, and I had zero issues with it. I miss it sometimes. I mostly had to get rid of it because it shook so furiously in wind storms.
Thanks for the video, I didn't know these kind of RVs before.
You bet! Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
Yep, I could live in any of the Aliners, though a few creature comforts would be nice out the door. The price point is certainly appealing.
My thoughts exactly.
I really love the open interior space of these because the ceiling is tall and feels like a little cabin. But because the walls fold they can’t put cabinets on them, so storage is lacking. For a weekend that’s fine, but it would probably get tiresome to live in. The way ALiner installs the A/C hanging out the side where it’s vulnerable seems like a disaster waiting to happen. I like the Cool Cat unit that other brands use that fits completely inside. And it’s unforgivable that they don’t have a grey tank-letting used water drain onto the ground is a huge faux pas at campgrounds, for good reason. Having to deal with buckets just isn’t very civilized and seems really cheap. Because of the shape it’s difficult to install an awning, so you end up needing to carry a separate EZ-Up. But there’s an undeniable charm about them that makes me want to ignore their shortcomings.
Fair point for sure. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚍
These would be a good starter camper but I wonder if you can use these at the HH spots?
It' has to be a selfcontained unit to work at HH - as long as you had a toilet - I think you'd be ok.
I like your comments relating to living out of a rig, not living in it. I could l live in a small trailer when traveling by myself, normally I live out of a small tent.
Yeah, Im big on living out of my rig...not in it. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
Hey Kevin , I enjoyed the video. I was surprised by the wet bath in that unit. I agree , that lighter wood color throughout was a nice
touch. Definitely need the AC. Thanks for the video.
Yeah, AC would be a must for me as well. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
Hola Kevin ! It has been an Excellent delightful video I did like the smaller a-liner as you Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it.
Slim potatohead, The BEST OF THE BEST. ❤️❤️❤️
Yeah, he's awesome!
PS:) a little earlier, I mentioned Lance travel trailers, the smallest one is the 1475, int length 14.75', about 3 yrs ago the 1475 actually had 2 Lazy Boy swivel seats parallel to the kitchen area & the floor plan is excellent. Presently, 2021, the Lance 1475 comes with a dual reclining sofa & Lance also makes a very small super functional slide in called the 650 (or 6.5'). Palomino makes a 2021 poptop slide in with a wet bath for less than $14k... Caio Bro!
Yeah, I love those Palominos!
@@30AndAWakeUp Palomino:) Trout or Horse?
The littlest one did NOT have a fridge. What you saw was the heater. Both of the Aliners you looked at have a table that sets up to make a dinette on one side. The tables were down in their travel position.
Very cool...thanks for that info Karin.
I love the aliner ❤❤thank you .
Me too!
Great video Kevin looks like a really nice show did you have a good time? I can see you in one of those a liners kev.........
Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I think I am going to see out shows in the future. I enjoy seeing all the different rigs.
$30K for any A liner feels like a lot. My wife and I bought our 2020 Promaster for $35K. Now we're up to about $45K with the build out. So an extra $15K feels way worth it to me for a camper van.
Now, that $12K model that you liked a lot is much more our style. I'd definitely consider that model, the price is far more reasonable for what you get, in my humble opinion.
Thanks for the video. Love these tours!
Yeah, definitely a little pricey for sure. Very cool that you're building at a Promaster.
The lighter wood help to give the A-liners a of a lot of space!
Yeah, for sure. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
I could do it, but- I do like my creature comforts!!! So much to like about these Aliners: lightweight, low CoG, low CoDrag, solid roof panels, all ready for Solar, pretty good inside storage. Really, much to like. Can't say enough about windows...
Yeah, the windows are great.
FYI Florida Water Management offer some free campsites you might want to check them out
Thanks Joe, I'll look that up.
I used to own one of these. Great little camper, easy to tow. I would take it out six weeks at a time but was convinced I could live out of it. There were three things I wanted in a bigger camper: a shower, a freezer (it had a refrigerator but no freezer), and it generator. In hindsight I would nix the generator. Very fun camper, I pulled it with a Honda minivan.
So cool. Yeah, if you could do 6 weeks...you could definitely live out of it. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚍
The last ALINER for $12K would be perfect for the weekend warrior camper. Fits into my budget too.
Yeah, and it's got space to add more creature comforts.
I'm camping right now at a rest stop in Connecticut in my 2020 aliner Scout light ... Mine has an air conditioner microwave refrigerator Keurig machine toaster TV and a small space electric heater.. I run a Honda eu2000i it works perfectly for me... I highly recommend it for someone by themselves this is going to hold me over till I order my storyteller mode...like the one you're probably going to be buying soon 🤣😷🤔
Oh nice! haha....maybe! if you keep the aliner you could tow it with the STO when you wanted a little more space. So cool Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
I like these aliners. As someone who lives ina neighbors with an HOA that doesn’t allow RVs unless they are in the garage, these are very attractive. I’ve owned several class A RVs and a class B, now looking to downsize. The models with a shower and cassette toilet seem ideal to me. With all the options available to bring along solar generators, these definitely fit what I’m looking for.
Yeah, Ive loved them since I watch Slim Potatohead with one
I have owned the the small Aliner for about ten years and liked it. The only thing that I wish is that I had got the mini Aliner, which is one size smaller and 600 lbs.
I haven't seen the mini Aliners...I'll have to look that up.
Definitely could live in a small travel trailer with a USB charged (top access) Waeco 90L fridge/freezer, solar & an induction cooktop; also being a content Bachelor. Those "bump outs" in the larger units are called Dormers, just like Cape Cod style homes. If you like travel trailers - check out Lance & the optimal Bruder EXP6. Nice work Kevin!!
Ahhh ok. Thanks for that...you learn something new every day! I'll check them out. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
Great video showing all of the options out there. It does look roomier than it would appear to be. It’s not for me because I don’t wanna tow anything. But for somebody who does who wants to get away and have some adventure this would be a perfect solution and a perfect price with lots of possibilities.
Yeah, Im the same..I like everything self contained. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
I have a spot in my heart for the pop-ups, my family had a classic Coleman canvas pop-up trailer when I was a kid. My dad did a very basic conversion in Chevy cargo van to pull it and we had a lot of memorable longer road trips and shorter camping trips in WI. I don’t know about full-time! Maybe, if you were mostly out in wilderness and stayed for a week or more at a time. Thanks for the tours and including the info. ✌🏻
Yeah, I really like them. Maybe pull one behind my van.
Thanks for another great tour video. Love Slim’s video, funny guy. These A-liners are so cute abd compact. I wonder how they would do in extreme weather? 😊
Slim used his in pretty extreme weather and ultimately decided to switch. Not sure if it was because of that though.
Go to "Slim Potatohead" 's channel. He's got a lot of videos of him and his A-Liner. (Abner).
Nice editing. 👌
Those are great little trailers.
They are! Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚍
The A Liner that was 1,700 pounds with the a/c, did you get the price or model #?
Im sorry, I didn't. I think it might be the scout but not sure. Sorry about that.
@@30AndAWakeUp No worries, I'll look it up. 👍🏼
I like them. Is there a ton of condensation with all those windows and limited space? I saw someone using one for winter camping and he used pool noodles (inside) for insulation.
Hmmm good question. A dehumidifier might solve that if it does occur. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
Actually, these are really drafty. It's like a seven-piece jigsaw puzzle that you put together, more if you have dormers.
@@KeriKalmbach That would definitely be a factor! I know Slim used a bunch of different things to keep the cold out.
@@KeriKalmbach Thank you, that solidified my decision.
Don't think I could live in one full time but would definitely nice for long weekend excursions.
Yeah, I think that's most people's take for sure.
Love.. the in between great for Charlotte🐕 and me🇨🇦
Yeah!
I think these A frames are pretty cool, especially that bump-out one with shower. Just a bit too much setup each night for me to consider it for full time. Perhaps a great option for weekenders instead of getting a travel trailer since these Aliners can fit in a garage and don't take up much space and can be towed by most vehicles.
Yeah, I've never set one up, so I couldn't really speak to that. Their website did say 1 minute set up but that sounds ambitious! Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
Thanks for that ! Definitely a nice price point !
Yes ma'am!
Slim is the man.
He is for sure. Love his stuff. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
I’ve always liked the A-Liner, but if I was going to go with a trailer, I’d go with a NuCamp Tab S. They have an excellent reputation, an off-road boondock edition, and just switched to a cassette toilet in the last year or two.
Yeah, I like those NuCamps as well.
I love slim, he’s got a great channel also. I don’t think I could use a A liner myself. I do like the Black series HQ15. They are expensive but made to drag up a mountain.
Yeah, those are really nice. They have lots of cool options too.
Great video! I like the Rockwood Hard Side Pop-Up campers better than Aliner. The A/C doesn't hang half outside like the Aliner and the interior styling is nicer. Rockwood gives you way more than Aliner and better price too :o)
Thanks for that info.
@Patty K. .... We looked at the Rockwood ones and they are a lot heavier and the Quality IMHO was cheap hence the lower price.
Great job with those!!Take care!👍
Thanks 👍
If there at the show, you should go see the Hiker trailers .
Show is over but I'll check those out in the future. I've heard they are cool.
I like the look of an A-Liner, but I don't think I'd be comfortable dragging something behind me. Plus, if I get the feeling to flee, I can't jump in the front seat and go. Id have to break it down then hop into a vehicle. Too much potential for things to go seriously wrong, if I'm uncomfortable with surroundings.
yeah...i do like being able to just jump in the driver's seat and go.
I think you would put a Volta Power System Solid State Generator package in your jeep and run an extension cable to the travel trailer.
And when you're not "home" the things that must run 24 hours per day, can run on the factory's standard battery bank.
It's still hard for me to imagine you downsizing from the luxurious interior of the Travato NPE, to a smaller space like the trailers or the Mercedes Sprinter 4x4 storyteller adventure van, although I know you've traveled with only a backpack.
But next month we'll see if you can still survive comfortably with less. ;-)
I would definitely try to put a Volta inside! ha! I get that for sure. I am hanging out in mine this morning thinking about the space difference in the Storyteller. It's 2 feet shorter. So that's going to be interesting.
“You could tow it with anything. Probably a Subaru.”
Me, with a Subaru: 😁😁😁
I love the Subarus!
I have a Subie too. This is looking promising
I used to have an LXE model that I pulled with a 2.4 l Chevy Cobalt for years. I met a fellow Aliner camper who towed his with a VW diesel. He claimed to get 30 mpg towing! I believe him.
I think they are great except for the storage. Guess you could keep all you clothing in your towing vehicle...
There are a few drawers in here. I don't have much clothing! :) Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
I really like the size, they are probably easy to maneuver. The huge downside for a full timer is the inability to stay the night somewhere like a Cracker Barrel, Walmart, on the street, etc...
Yeah, that is true...unless you pulled with a van or something that you could crash in.
Why not? We have stayed at Cracker Barrel and Walmart with our Aliner. Just put in up while hitched to your vehicle. Takes just a minute.
I like the one with the shower!
Me too.
Guess you can add a cassette toilet?
I wouldn't mind one for sure! :)
The video is little dark but great quick see it all review! I have a Jeep actually couple jeeps and a liner will be perfect for it. But I still prefer my class b.
Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚍
Not for me! I like the option of *I'm on the GO at all times.
Van is my choice with adventure set-up. Great Job Kevin.
Good choice!
I am really enjoying your recent videos. Although I like class Bs the most, it's fun to explore other options. Watching from Aruba!
Glad you like them! Yeah, Im partial to the Bs as well. Thanks for tuning in from Aruba!
We considered one of these but went with a Travato, so nice to just stop for lunch at a rest area and have a kitchen available. We enjoy Slim's videos too.
Yeah, I do like everything self contained - that's why I love the B. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
these trailers are very cool.
Yeah, I dig them!
I've seen a few nomads in the Aliner. They operate well in all climates. Personally, I'd have to go with the larger off road version. Good comparison of rigs, Kevin.
Yeah, I liked that off road version as well. especially the bathroom mod that's included.
HOW YOU FIND RV SHOWS?? ON GOOGLE??
Yeah.
@@30AndAWakeUp OMG Im always try to find something and all is sold 🙂
Interesting! So small...so expensive. Hey Kevin, what was the inspiration for your RUclips channel name? Easy bro.
I was in the military for 20 years and did a bunch of deployments. While deployed, many military members countdown the days until they return home to their family. Instead of saying we have "100 days until we return," we say we have “99 and a wake up” to make it seem like a shorter time period. In March 2019, I left my job as a lawyer to travel full-time as a travel vlogger. I travel the world by moving to a different location every 30 days. When I arrive at a new city or country, I'll have "30 And A Wake Up" until I move to the next location!
@@30AndAWakeUp I’m the retired CG Master Chief, formerly G138...keep changing my RUclips name. 🤣 When I was active I use to started my calendar the day leaving port....180 days. Haven’t watched any of you non RUclips travel videos but figured the 30 Day thing had a military connection. You must have been a Brown Shoe...I was a Black Shoe all my 30 military life. 😂 Be safe out there bro.
Dang it I saw the thumbnail and thought I would tell you about slim but..lol I have watched him for along time too.
haha...man I freaking love Slim! I watch him all the time. One of my favs.
I could live in the small one!! 😊🐎
Me too! ha! Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
For the money, I would go with a TAB with wet bath.
I'll have to check those out. Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
I agree!
I've been watching these aliners for about 2 years. They were expensive then, but now they're absolutely beyond what I'm willing to pay. $25-30k? I'll stick with tent camping or go with a small hard side. 😩
yeah..they've gotten expensive but there are some bargains in the used market still.
We'll need
the bump outs, eh?
yeah, that'd be nice
Anyone know if you can join thousand trails with an aliner?
Yeah, I think so..you can join with just a tent!
We seriously considered a large A-Frame with the bath/shower before we purchased our first Class B (Roadtrek) 7 years ago. Glad we went with the Class B. Easy to park, always have your house with you, easy to boondock. Impatiently waiting for our Travato GL delivery next month.
Yeah, I prefer fully self contained as well. So excited for you to get that GL!! Thanks for watching and commenting, Jane.
For 29k you could get a scamp or casita...for the money I would probably pass on the A liner.
Yeah, that makes sense for sure.
Have you seen the Intech Sol Horizon travel trailer? A lot for $30k Would appreciate your take on it.
I haven't but I'll look it up. Maybe I can find one to tour.
I am living in one pop aline and I love it
Very cool
I like them but not the price tag! (I like the larger one with the shower)
yeah, me too! Thanks for watching and commenting. 🚌
I watch Mr potato head too....he is great!
Yeah, he really is. So genuine.
Not for me (with a Ford F-250) but I can see an Aliner for someone with a small sedan with limited towing capability..
Fair point for sure. I've seen them behind those little Subarus.