The Ukrainian Bride Business is delusional about Ukraine ... | Vodka Vodkast 125
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I am not taking up for Joe at the bride agency, but to put in a perspective, I want to know if there is really a difference between the 2 examples below.
Joe comes off as creepy. He is overweight, he has an annoying teeth sucking thing he does while he talks. He is in his 50's. So is he the guy you want to learn from to pick up chics? No
Conor is a tiny guy, especially by standards of Slavic region. The video where Conor tries day game was the creepiest thing I have ever seen. Would I hire this guy to show me around or put me where the action is? No
If you are going to ridicule someone, make sure you are no different. I notice a lot of Conor's videos he is trying to take others down. Build your own foundation by lifting yourself up, without taking others down. You may not be as almighty as you think, definitely not worthy of calling yourself a Tsar. I do like the a good amount of Conor's content, I think there can be lots to learn from this channel. But being humble is much more to be respected, than someone always attacking or questioning others. Matter of fact, if you referred to yourself as "The Humble Experience," and took guys on a humbling experience, I would be more apt to use your services
‘Tiny’ is a bit of an exaggeration but being fitter would raise my SMV … work in progress 😉
Well said and spot on.
Also probably a wrong idea from a business standpoint to discuss street pickup with an 18 yo in Kiev when you sell serious matchmaking for marriage.
Yeah, true enough, but anybody that follows me knows that I’m not a politically correct person that follows rules of any any kind. Rather, my goal is to inform the rare, brave men that are on or considering this journey of THE TRUTH (and this time I took a tangent on a seven hour stream, so shoot me 😂)
Yep, that was also my reaction (in addition to being incredulous). Joe's clients don't look like they're interested in doing daygame on Khreshchatyk. 🤣
I’ve always Encouraged clients (and every man) to talk to women while out and about on the streets of UKRAINE… you can’t beat it as a confidence booster! 💪
I have no idea how many Ukrainian men and women came to France but I know for sure that without money and the support of someone speaking French and able to navigate through French administration , it is very hard to stay in France as a foreigner
Another amazing commentary, Conor... your expertise exceeds expectations again
I recently came across a website that shows divorce rates, per country, wordwide. Ukraine and RU at 75%, USA & EU at 50%....etc.....the lowest rates of divorce were a few asian countries andsouth america. So much for family values if divorce rates are so high??
I pointed this out many times in my videos that Ukrainian women are not 'traditional' relative to women in most of Asia, Africa and Latin America. They're less financially emancipated than women in North America and Western Europe and on the whole a bit more conservative and slimmer ... that's about it.
@@ConorClyneTsarExperience Their are several databases, heres link to one..2009 data...surprising stuff...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography
Ukrainian and Russian women divorce because the men are drunk and violent. Western women divorce because they are bored. You can't compare these numbers.
Do you have any stats to back up that claim? In Ireland, it's a 15% divorce rate and we also have a reputation for drunkenness and violence ... 🤷🏼♂️
@@ConorClyneTsarExperience Being real pops a lot of balloons...
If you have to say "I was very confident and very cool" you almost certainly were no such thing. Of course the whole story is likely a fantasy.
It seems clear to me why you (Conor) and Joe are always arguing. The two of you are complete opposites in your businesses and worldview. Your business is all about getting guys to move to Europe and hire you as the "Inside Man" who shows each guy how to become part of the local (Eastern European) social scene and how to party hard. In contrast, Joe's business and worldview are very different. Joe is family-oriented. He is about helping guys in North America have the wife/family they have always wanted. You simply cannot comprehend Joe's perspective and worldview; Joe disagrees with yours. As you said in this video, if Joe could land an 18-year-old model, why accept anything else ... not understanding that Joe was interested in a relationship and family that would last. Nothing necessarily right or wrong with each perspective, and the two of you will probably always think the other is delusional.
Joe was ‘successful’ by doing what I promote and not what he promotes, i.e., move to the region. He failed to find a wife at a marriage agency in Ukraine and now claims that he’s an amazing daygame PUA … 🤦🏻😂
You’re right that we have very different worldviews though. 😁
you were right about Gonzalo Lira having a Death Wish in Ukraine he died in Ukrainian prison on January 12, 2024
No he was killed for speaking his mind by the criminal Banderites Conjob supports
The guy is delusional.
Yeah.............🧐
I understand this delusional bride business.... I also know I can never qualify for the tsar experience--- age is too much, social motivation, etc. But I think there's a website that offers dating for a guy like me, especially good because of solid safety tips (to save the patron money) on every page of a profile. I can mention it, maybe you know it already, but it is so intriguing..... please consider commenting, thanks
Lol tim k, a real class act! I feel so bad for not only his current wife, but also his ex wife and very young son he abandoned in the US.
I don't follow his content closely. I just saw that he fits the profile and has a big age gap with his Filipina wife.
Oh I understand, I wasn’t making criticism towards your video or anything, just “tiny” Tim lol. You’re correct though, he definitely does fit the profile though.
Very good content as usual :-) I really like these exchanges of ideas between MG and Tsar Exp. I discuss these topics with my clients too, who are mainly french speaking in Europe and Canada. I don't think any idea is better than the others, every idea is interesting to hear.
1/ Concerning street Pickup downtown Kiev on Khreschatyk, don’t forget that Joe met his wife in the street. So, he probably has some skills 😊 that maybe you don’t have. However, I don’t think that’s a good idea because you will probably meet the wrong kind of ladies. Slavic brides don’t react the same way as western women and they are not looking for the same thing.
2/ delusional about women ratio : nobody knows the true situation as it changes every day. A matchmaker is delusional because he speaks with a subset of ladies, but Connor is also delusional because he is in Odesa which is a subset of Ukraine. We are all delusional but that’s not the point. The point is there are thousands of single Ukrainian ladies looking for a man wherever this man lives. (Ukraine or Western world).
The reality is that Russian and Ukrainian men die every day by hundreds which we know for sure. As a reality there are and there will be more and more single Ukrainian and Russian brides. So no you’re wrong the business is far from being dead.
3/ About language barrier you are right, speaking the language is the key. I speak Russian with my wife every day and I speak Russian with our ladies every day and even if I don’t live in Odesa, I Skype with different Ukrainian ladies every day, which gives me some information as valuable as yours. One more time, Odesa is not a good representative city for Ukraine. Indeed, you are right, I never met a Traditional woman in Odessa and I’ve been there often.
4/ Green card girl : there is some kind of truth in what you say BUT it’s a large scale generalization 😊 True that a divorce with a Slavic wife will be as painful and terrible as usual BUT wrong that a Slavic wife will divorce with a rate of 50%. For a slavic wife to divorce, there must be some serious reasons and you can avoid that by knowing her culture. Once again, I would not be surprise to learn that Odesa’s girls divorce more often than other girls in Ukraine.
Great rebuttal points, well articulated! 💪
Thanks again for the detailed comment, Antoine. 😁
1) Joe's wife was a single mom in her 30s not the "18 y.o. childless top model" that Joe claims to have picked up on Khreshchatyk. Also if you listen carefully to his story, he didn't actually cold approach her but his Ukrainian friend did and then introduced her to Joe. 'Daygame' is low value behavior and a public nuisance in general, in my opinion. I went into why in detail in this video: ruclips.net/video/CyOiJr2GK6M/видео.htmlsi=g13gbGtn3i15Alj4
2) I showed the stats for Ireland in the video. It's 2 women for every man over 20. Also 51% of the Ukrainian women who arrived in Ireland are unmarried while only 37% of the men are. That makes the ratio for unmarried women to unmarried men arriving around 3 to 1. That's great for single men in Ireland obviously. 😀 But not so great for the Ukrainian bride business' claims to the contrary ...
If we extrapolate this data to the population that left Ukraine since February 2022 then we get around 800,000 more unmarried women than unmarried men that left since February 2022. My guesstimate is that less than 40,000 Ukrainian men have died in the Russo-Ukrainian War but even if I'm badly wrong on that, it's clearly far short of 800,000 (as that would be almost all of the Ukrainian army). So there is a big lack of single women in Ukraine and not single men at the moment (although perhaps less than in 2022).
To clarify, I've continuously argued for the last year that the 'Ukrainian' bride business is in terminal decline as a significant industry. I've never said that the 'Russian' bride business is. In fact, I've argued the opposite in that I expect the Ukrainian bride business to pivot to Russia if it wants to keep going in the eastern part of Europe. 🤦🏼♂️
3) Again you're not here on the ground to get a real sense about what is going on in Ukraine from a first person perspective. Also I don't only hang out in Odesa and since February 2022, I have also been to Kyiv, Lviv, Chernivtsi and Mukachevo. Have any of the Ukrainian bride business owners spent any significant time in Ukraine since then? Not from what I can see. 🤷🏼♂️
Kudos on learning Russian (which Joe doesn't seem to have done) ... however, Ukrainian is now the language to learn here going forward (which I've been doing). Again these are significant changes that you won't appreciate without coming to Ukraine in person.
4) Again the anecdotal evidence is that 'green card girls' divorce at an 80% rate once they have their residency/citizenship in North America. Admittedly, that's anecdotal but statistically divorce is a little higher in Ukraine (over 50%) than it is in the US or Canada. In Ireland, divorce is only around 15% as a comparison. 😉
Joe Rickards is a former porno star in Canada. Don't be jealous.@@ConorClyneTsarExperience
Is it true that Gonzalo Lira is dead? Do you have any info on that?
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Belarus is a interesting situation with no need for for immigration
The best of Belarus has already left for Poland and Lithuania. Vilnius and Warsaw are great spots to meet these girls.
@@ConorClyneTsarExperience Это неправда, лучшие остались.
Wow, your Ukrainian is great! 👍👍👍
Thank you! 😃
I genuinely believe that Joe only follows this silly feud because it is increasing his traffic. You two have a huge difference in target audience, but both are convinced that Slavic women are the pinnacle (for very different reasons). I started following both of you years ago because I felt like my girlfriend at the time sensed my Western male training was too weak for dating Slavic women. It is a fine line between being what they want, but not being too similar to the bad pars of Ukrainian men.
I can't identify with Joe's clients. I cannot imagine searching for a wife honestly. They seem to be rather simpish and I have kindly implied to Joe that he needed to teach them to lose that. His company's "scale" is skewed higher than yours and mine as well. Because of that, he has a very different view of what the goal is and, as such, the methods of finding them. My tastes more align with yours - 8-10s including intelligence and talent to date. But, I don't party as hard as you do, maybe because I am older.
Like I said, significantly different target audiences. I hope that the feud grows both of your followings
Hey Wayne. There should be a clear dichotomy between Joe's clients and mine, especially in 2024 (Joe is pitching matchmaking with 'serious and traditional' women while boasting about his daygame skills to pickup 18 year olds 🤣) ... but I surprisingly get Joe's clients coming to me for help (a lot more than pre-2022), in particular, for consulting calls.
I expect the dichotomy in our content to grow going forward ... if you've noticed, Joe has started to use words like 'Eastern European' and 'Slavic' ladies and not 'Ukrainian' recently ... where do you think he's planning to pivot to? 🤔
You know me Conor. I believe they are 'comfort women' good for one thing only. Only weak men get taken in by them.@@ConorClyneTsarExperience
Conor - A 10 is the top 95% to 100% of adult women. A 9 is from 85% to 95%. Simple integers, 15% of the population, not 1%.
Did you watch this video? ruclips.net/video/6ulyp4ShwqM/видео.htmlsi=2GCFTtwWX4epapqL
@@ConorClyneTsarExperience if you are a 6 or 7 as a man, and have only an average salary, forget Ukrainian ladies, they are too materialistic for normal guys or take a 6 or 7 and not more than 10 years younger than yourself it is too become dad of it
Hey Conor, remember me? We spoke on one your videos over a year ago about the Ukraine Russia war. I told you I’d come back after a year. Well here I am. So what have you got to say for yourself now?
he can't answer, the war can be going on 10 years , so forget about Ukraine or take the risk to travel to Ukraine even during wartime, be brave. But what if Ukraine loses the war and will be annexed??
@@williamvanholder3368 I would happily travel there. But I’m waiting to see if conor is man enough to respond. Ukraine will not be annexed. It was never putins intention
No idea who you are to be candid. Remind me.
@@ConorClyneTsarExperience ok so you were adamant that Ukraine was going to win this war. You mocked and jeered me for saying what was empiracally obvious - that Russia would win this war. Now the Ukrainian youth have all been killed because of people like you cheerleading this war. I don't anything about what you do but if it's dating coaching then your job has just been made a hell of a lot easier given there are no men left in Ukraine of dating age. Absolutely tragic whats happened to ukraine.
@@Mistyfire Yes, that's still my contention that Ukraine will ultimately win the Russo-Ukrainian War although the timeframe is sadly longer than I had hoped for in August 2022.
You're obviously nowhere near Ukraine since you support Russia and follow their propagandists as you parrot 'all the youth is dead' talking point. Maybe the consistently wrong Colonel Douglas Macgregor told you this? 🙄
But yes, by reporting you the truth from Ukraine (there are more marriageable aged men versus women in Ukraine at the moment), it works against my business interests ... however, the Ukrainian Bride Business doesn't appear to care about that moral quandary since they're quite happy to push Russian propaganda to make a quick buck out of delusional wife hunters who support Russia but are desperately looking for a 'traditional Ukrainian wife'. 🤦🏼♂
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27:17 these guys are known bad actors. Anyway Connor, you aren’t understanding. Those Ukraine sites don’t exist anymore. They just haven’t updated the website. It’s from years ago. That’s why the spellings are still Russian. And they have pivoted to South America and Thailand for business
I would have thought that as well if they hadn't advertized a 'romance tour' to Kyiv and Kharkiv in 2023. They updated that part of the website.
Yeah, overall I agree that they've pivoted to other regions overall but they still have occasional content about Ukrainians on their RUclips channel.
@@ConorClyneTsarExperienceagreed. They also had pay per letter with translators. Not good. Anyway they were very active in 2015 when I first started to get interested in Ukraine. They got some very not good reviews from a guy named Stryker from New Zealand who is now with a woman named Luba from Odesa. They have relocated to Spain and have a Ukraine matchmaking business.
The war has spoiled the market for both of you , the only thing u both got left too do is turn on each other😢
I’ve already pivoted to ‘New Europe’. Joe is arguing that he doesn’t have to also pivot to other countries when he has another RUclips where he is doing just that … 😂
Well here some info for those looking to find a good date.
These are the countries with more female than male between the age of 24 to 54
Russia, more than one million more female than male.
Ukraine 350, 000 more female
Belarus 50, 000 more
Italy more than 300, 000 more female
Japan more than one million more female than male.
Most countries have more men than women in the age of getting married and start a family
Below that age are more men and above 55 more ladies and old grandma
Why do you never talk about the balkan countries? I heard a lot of good things
Also you need to redo that top 5 countries video because we can’t go to 3 out of the 5
I was in poland for 1 month in jan 2024, the average salary is 2K dollars a month, same with the US, but it has lower living cost.
a passport does not help at all, so if you are not super attractive, or very rich, coming as a short-term tourist, your value is definitely lower than local guys,
balkan countries should be the same.
So Conor, are you going to report on Gonzalos death? Are you goign to make fun of him being tortured to death for nearly a year? An American Citizen? Please do so we can see again who you really are.
He died of pneumonia, chill with this conspiracy bullshit. Why you out of all victims of this war only care about one American.
He never produced any evidence that he had been tortured. There is some irony that Russia targeted hospitals and energy infrastructure in Kharkiv during the 10 days before his reputed death. Karma? 🤷🏼♂️
@@ConorClyneTsarExperience Thanks for the confirmation. Another arrogant human propaganda machine, cheering on to deaths of others. There are still people out there who don't want anyone to die on either side, believe it or not. Whatever makes you sleep well at night. If I'd be you I'd be hoping Karma isn't a thing, you know exactly why. Cheers
None of the matchmakers/agencies work for older men, that is the honest truth! it is all giving a FALSE HOPES!......that is dishonest and heartbreaking! I am 71 year old guy but I look more like a man in his mid 50's but I wished they would tell me I have no chance and I am certainly not interested in a Babushka!!1
No doubt the hurdles are many if not endless. There is a learning curve. just wondering did you meet them and date them for many years?
You are delusional. There are lots of very fit ~50 years old Ukrainian women and that’s 20 years younger than you. If you had reasonable expectations you’d be fine
My gf is early 30s. I just turned 60. But I’ve been with her 8 years
In our agency we had at least 2 marriages with men older than 71yo, ladies in their late 40s
Frankly, it’s all about being realistic (and yes, I know my 18 girl in red story is far from realistic 😊. I’m merely told it on the whim during a seven hour live stream to make a point - that it is an entirely different world with mind-boggling women options when u LIVE in Ukraine) 🔥
"far from realistic" ... well that's one way of putting it, Joe ... 😉
"that it is an entirely different world with mind-boggling women options when u LIVE in Ukraine" ... that's one of the key points we can agree on: move to the region. 👍🏻
1:07 horrible af 😮
I hope it comes to and end with my generation that has been growing up in independent Ukraine. If to look at relationship market with pragmatism and demystification as those lexical markers as 'wifehunting' do, there is a long lasting delusion about western people that traditionally viewed as more perspective and reliable. 'American Boy' of Kombinaciya is the message of the past, and message for the russian. We were failing the image of Ukrainian man for a long time, stigmatisation for alcohilism, donestic violence etc, but there is a glimpse of hope to bury it, even though I have a very subjective environment with educated Ukrainian men that know foreign languages and a thing or two about getting career lifts in life, I believe we are to become better than top images of the former western world, our nation had suffered and struggled enough to get its rightful place among the tops, dating market and demography related to it included. Thank you for the content and defence of the proper Ukrainian transliteration, it matters a lot and youre a great help with this fight for identity.
Who wants to see Conor and Joe Rickards go head-to-head LIVE on YT? LIKE ❤ COMMENT IF YES
Clearly of little interest to viewers 😂
Definitely of interest to me. I think it would be interesting and entertaining to see these two guys with such differing views argue their points.
Conor - I'm closer to your age, & I disagree with you that Cold Approaching doesn't work, for Older Successful Guys. However, I do agree that you need to learn the local language & Culture. Once I learned Russian, my results went up 10 fold. However, you do need to Level up & upgrade your SMV. I've never turned down a Challenge in my Life, & would be happy to accept any challenges if you don't think it works.
If you've already got high SMV (in shape, wealthy, speak the local language, charismatic etc) then you don't need to be stopping random women on the street as a strategy to date 9s and 10s. I recommend that my clients focus on building the value of their social circle and their instagram instead. This will pay off a lot more, in my experience.
Let me break it down for you. He is basically saying that, you need to pay him to do some social circle BS and take IG pics. Bro, you are doing it the right way. There is no reason not to approach women when you see someone you like. When people have no balls themselves to do, which is a really hard thing to pull, they try to bring other people other people who can do it and give bad advice. A lot of the times women enjoy it when a man initiate. You are right, when you learn some Russian, things change by 10x.
@@semprefidelis76 so you don’t think that having a high value social circle and social media is a big help then, right?
Want to see PROOF Conor? 😮
I just messaged Vlad my Ukrainian friend that was with me during the pick up (you cut that part out in your edit), so watch for his corroborative comments here. (provided Conor isn’t up to his usual shenanigans of blocking my comments.)
There's a reason that PUAs record 'infield' to try to prove their skills at daygame. I'm sure you remember her as an "18 y.o. model" though ... rose-tinted glasses? 😉
Your Ukrainian 'friend' is going to say that he saw you make out with an 18 y.o. top model, right? 🤣 In your story, he wasn't even with you at the train station nor did you cold approach her ... he did ... 🙄
And if you're such an amazing PUA then why are you running a marriage agency and not teaching daygame instead? 🤷🏼♂️ It would seem to be your competitive advantage if what you're saying is true. 🤔
Conor you won't be sensored If the P......y word is replaced with "Oyster" Aussie version of the V in the pants is the "Bearded Oyster"
There you go mate!
Yeah, but then only Australians would understand me 🤣
@TsarExperience that's ok mate !! Lol i think and truly believe that the more people in the world learn and understand the great Aussie Anachronisms, the mord laid back and humour driven the world would be! Lol can't hurt can it lol
Fantasy / fantasia / yes conor he was dreaming . He was actually asleep and you will find he woke up as a shipwreck ( shipwrecked) his master was in the air with foam all over his belly )) lol sorry I had to toss that one in mate . The delusional part yes it's all part
of " uncle Joe " strategy of putting more mug punters quids in his pocket !