I've met Joe perry twice.First time in a small club in Boston when the Joe Perry Project played .The club was set up that bands would have to walk closely by patrons as they were going onstage. Joe came out with the band and stopped while the band was announced. A guy next to me had a copy of JPPs album. He very nicely asked him Joe could you sign my album. Your awesome. He turned and glared at him then turned and ignored him. I loved Aerosmith and just chalked it up to Joe having a bad day. Second time I was working for a rug company at his house. I went to pick up the rugs to take them to be cleaned. Joe and his wife were not there. Then a week later I brought the rugs back to lay them out. When I was done I needed my work slip signed. I didn't see anyone around. The woman I dealt with when I picked them up wasn't around. Through the open sliding glass doors I saw Joe sitting by the pool. I walked up and said excuse me Mr perry I don't want to disturb you but your rugs are done and I need a signature. He slid his sunglasses down his nose and glared at me for an uncomfortable minute or so saying nothing. Then turned and screamed for the woman I had met when I picked them up. She came running and grabbed me by the arm and said no one talks to mr perry. I didn't come on like a fan boy or even mentioned anything but the rugs.Kund of duechy
Listen to both the Whitford/St Holmes albums. Tells you all you need to know. That being said, the JPP first album “Let The Music Do The Talking” was on my heavy play rotation in high school. Probably a combination of Joe surrounding himself with a tight rhythm section, and momentum from material he fleshed out when he was still recording NITR with Aerosmith. The other JPP albums were virtually unlistenable imo.
respectfully I say this there's the asshole drunk and happy drunk. or vice versa. just leave them alone. stick with rock n roll zone. who knows what's behind that curtain.
Fun story from Ted templeman’s book - Eddie got Holdsworth signed to a Warner subdivision & was set on producing Allan’s upcoming album. At the last minute Holdsworth changed producers & fired Eddie
It’s actually the other way around. Eddie is responsible for Holdsworth getting signed to Warner Brothers. He was one of the few players that Eddie really respected and it was something like Holdsworth was giving it one more shot and Eddie told someone at Warner brothers to check him out and he got a deal.
@@clemclemson9259 I always admired his virtuosic skills on a the guitar, but could only listen to his music in small doses. A bit too over the top for me. You almost have to be a jazz or fusion player yourself to truly get into it.
Had the honor becoming friends with Allan Holdsworth during the '80s. Highly admired how Eddie Van Halen went out of his way to help Allan get a record deal, his IOU band, music career. The Van Halen debut concerts in '78 were both earth shattering in the S.F. Bay Area.
Problems arose because the label had issues with Allan's Singer..they didn't like Him & refused to sign Him unless He ditched Him so Allan agreed & they signed Him but Allen snuck Him on the album when their backs were turned so yeah..they barely promoted the album in the end..but I brought it & I liked the Singer.
My God, that festival lineup looked incredible! Blows the living sh*t out of anything today. Btw if Ritchie Blackmore hates you, you're doing something right.
Blackmore was notorious for smashing guitars because THEY wouldn't play right. I mean Ritchie you are the player, not the guitar. I've heard he's a jerk.
That 79’ tour Aerosmith did was a train wreck. If it had not been for AC/DC being so supportive of the band on that tour it would’ve been worse. When AC/DC were inducted into the RRHOF in 2003 who inducted them? It was none other than Steven Tyler of Aerosmith. When he sobered up he remembered how good AC/DC treated them. AC/DC back then made most bands look real bad due to their work ethic(s)
seen there done with mirrors 85/86 tour that was a trainwreck "drugs" . I can't believe they let Ted Nugent open for them he was on fire . basically double live gonzo revisited, he blew Aerosmith out of the water.
Replied above but yeah 79 I saw them and they were burnt. Saw Perry yell at Tyler during Dream On. They went at it, lights off, booing. Reset and then Tyler yelled at Perry, lights out /booing. Sounds of instruments bumping. More booing. Shortened uninspired show..
Saw Kansas open for them in Seattle on that tour and Kansas blew them away. Aerosmith was drugged out and off time on everything and horrible. Plus you could hardly hear them. A poor representation of the Aerosmith I has seen a few years earlier.
Too bad because use egos clash I'm sure in that life. Competition. Eddie Van Halen was a master guitar player. When they burst onto the scene it was at a whole other level. He died too young. I remember those times it was the music I listened to. It's too bad Joe Perry made him feel that way. Aerosmith had alot of infighting then plus handling fame I think egos can ruin a good thing.
I just say Joe and Brad are the best 1,2 guitar combo of any rock band. Perry was considered Lead over Brad due to his all over the place style while Brad just had 1-2 tasty riffs and stuck with it. But you’re right Brad is as good as many other lead guitarists
I met Eddie at the Guitar Center in Hollywood, chatted for a few minutes and shook hands with him. He was so nice and humble. I was honored to meet him. That was in the early 90’s when his brother Alex was being inducted into the Hollywood walk of fame.
Randy played Eruption (or maybe part of it,) when I saw him on the Blizzard of Oz tour. Everybody took long solos back then and Randy played several VanHalen bits. He'd been teaching guitar for a while and that 's what the kids wanted to learn. I saw it as a tribute to his hero. Eddie saw it as another performer directly stealing his best stuff.
so true ! everything seems to come down to being a private part measuring contest with these guitar players .drama queens too . then you have this gear obsession and worshiping vintage / tube stuff . the most closed minded egotistical people one would ever have the displeasure to run into . no thank you . the funny thig is these type i m on about are not successful in that this type of player NEVER has anything to show for THEMSELF . meaning - no original music . they might be great , in a great cover band and i think ultimately this explains a lot of why these people lash out so hard . if they sense someone may be able to write a song or string 3 chords together , its on . the whole shredding thing is great , but at the end of the day ... its doesnt mean very much ... putting oneself on a pedestal then shitting on everyone else , like people who play the pentatonic scale , judging others if they do not use the same gear as they do , keep your eyes peeled for this attitude and RUN when you see it . these jokers are all over comment sections and they roam in packs .
I worked as a scuba instructor years ago on Maui and had the opportunity to hang out with both Joe Perry and Steven Tyler. For weeks, I would take them diving, we would sit by the pool and BS and Steven even chartered a boat for me, him and his wife a kids. We had a blast. Both these guys treated me like they had known me for years. A ton of respect for both these two and the amazing memories they gave me as a young man.
I remember growing up, a lot of kids wanted to play an instrument in the 80s. Music was a big influence on how people dressed, acted, looked, etc. Of course Van Halen, being as big as they were with Roth and Eddie, they pretty much personified every high school in America. It was Fast Times at Ridgemont High everywhere! With all the main characters too. VH's overall impact on American society is undeniable. Not too many bands can claim that crown. They were kings in every sense of the word!
@@DexterHaven Indeed. At first, I kinda questioned the album title of "1984" and what it meant at the time. But now, so many years later, it's genius! Cause you can put on that album and immediately be time warped back to those great times of the 80s! Of course VH's music is timeless, and will never be "old" or sound "dated". To me, it's just another example of how incredible they were, the magic of THAT band, with those 4 guys, and the music they created together makes one truly feel blessed and fortunate to be a teenager in the 80's, and appreciate those times for the magic that they were. I mean, VH, RUSH, Triumph, I could go on forever with a list of bands and artists that made my life and many others get a little taste of heaven and God's great work!
I had the good fortune of seeing The Joe Perry Project "Let the Music do the Talking" tour in San Francisco at a small club. It was around 1980. He was so loud I could not believe it. My ears were ringing for days.
I never got to see Aerosmith on tour, but I saw VH around 1980, I think. We had are usual crap balcony seats. It was so loud we couldn't even recognize what they were playing. Only when I could sense the base line would have have a clue what song was going down. That and maybe when DLR paused for extended narration for Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love.
I saw Aerosmith in the mid-90s in Germany and they were loud as f* but not in a pleasant way. Steven however put on one hell of a show and all their hit singles and classic tracks were great but it was painful to listen to because of the volume.
I seen VH in 79 and I could tell all the songs it was a great show. I seen VH with Sammy a few times in the 90's and they were all great shows. Aerosmith in the 90"s I think love in an elevator Tyler was awesome doing backflips and rocking it was a good sounding show and had a good time. The VH shows Eddy is amazing live you feel it.
When Rush opened for Aerosmith way back in the day, Aerosmith treated them like shit and wouldn't give them a sound check. When they opened for KISS, KISS were completely warm & generous to them, had their crew do Rush's load-in, and made them feel entirely welcome and at home. Gene & Geddy discovered their parents were Holocaust survivors. KISS had been treated very badly by the headliners when they were an opening act, and they made sure they'd never do that to the groups that opened for them.
I got the chance to hang out with Eddie for about 4 hours in his hotel room while they were on tour in 1989. Eddie had just played a show and when he got to the hotel room he picked up an Ovation guitar and played for the next 4 hours. Super nice guy
I saw VH in July of 79 and it was the greatest experience of my life. I was only 14 and just a couple years into learning guitar. I also saw Aerosmith in 79....it was good but no where near VH experience.
Eddie sometimes treated other guitarists the same way (usually when he was drunk). When Randy Rhoads and Eddie met for the first time in 77, Randy asked Eddie how he kept his guitar in tune with all of his dive bombing on his strat tremolo. Eddie's answer was "I can't tell you, it's a secret". I mean REALLY??? Randy was shocked because he regularly shared his knowledge with other guitarists.
No, that's a good answer if he didn't even know Randy. Screw him. Eddie's not giving out his hard-earned secrets like a sucker would. I might have said, "Don't ask for more than you deserve to hear, stranger."
@@DexterHaven 😂Let me educate your here. Eddie's big "secret" WAS ANYTHING BUT. He didn't invent the floating strat bridge nor the locking tremolo. FLOYD ROSE did in 1976 and provided Eddie, Neal Schon and Steve Vai with one all at the same time. Randy was no "stranger" to Eddie either. Eddie well knew who Randy was.
@@johngalush8790Ummm, Eddie didn't invent the floating bridge / locking nut system - Floyd Rose did. Eddie had about as much to do with Floyd Rose getting his patent in 1979 as did Neil Schon or Steve Vai who ALSO had Floyd Rose bridges - NOTHING. It was no "secret" just an example of how insecure Eddie was at times.
@GTX1123 Ummm. Let me educate you here. Eddie had a huge influence on Floyd Rose. The thing didn't work right until Eddies modifications were added. The lock nut and fine tuners at the bridge. Look it up. Eddie had alot to do with it. Floyd Rose stole his idea and had it pattented.
Good point and funny.....but I blame his past persona on drug use and having to deal with the universe of ego that is Steven Tyler. From what I've read about Perry, and interviews when he's just by himself, he really proves to be a stable, nice guy next-door. I think he's been married to the same woman since his 20s. I had to laugh at the sarcastic, clever way you put it, but I think his true self is a guy you'd probably like if you met him.
@@67marlins Joe was married to a control freak blonde beauty queen before Aerosmith ever made it. You can see old footage of her in the Aerosmith Video Scrapbook home video tape. Joe divorced her not long after leaving Aerosmith and married again to a woman that took him in when he had nothing due to his first wife selling all his guitars and whatever else. He must have married her sometime between 1981-84 when he was past 30
@bobowrath sovine OK- thanks for that information Bob. I appreciate it, I must have been going on something inaccurate and/or my recollection was bad.... Thanks again.
I understand why Eddie became the way he was later. He shut down completely. He was just a smiling naive very talented kid and wanted to hang out with everyone. Ofc they hated him because he was THE FUTURE. They were resting on their loreals as Rock Gods and suddenly this kid comes and makes them feel they dont know anything. It means they will have to go on square 1 and learn all these new things. It's a hard pill to swallow for the then established "Guitar Gods". There was a kid out there who was doing things none of them could do. Ofc there was tons of rejection and envy and Eddie being naive, young and longing for acceptance by his idols and heroes stung. When you get rejected by someone you value more than yourself makes you feel like there is someting wrong with you. Like you aint cool enough. Its not like they will openly tell you why they hate you. I think it took him a long time before he realized why they were treating him the way they did. Art is a very comptitive world because its a world where the value of the artists is not measured with numbers or any other objective means. So lots of bullshitters could pass as artists. Also it didnt help that very few understood how good eddie was. The average musci listener doesnt understand the intricacies of guitar playing. Anyways. I think Eddie got hurt badly by these 70s asshole guys like Joe Perry.
Never have expectations, then you can't be disappointed. You always get mixed meetings, depending on that person's day. I've met supposedly nasty people who are lovely and vice versa. You don't know what is going on with people on any given day.
EVH wasn't wrong about Perry's abilities as a guitarist. Brad Whitford is a better guitarist than Joe. I can't remember who said "If only Brad looked like Perry he'd be the star."
I'm a AEROSMITH man. That being said.....VAN HALEN has ALWAYS BEEN DIFFERENT. Both bands are unique and talented. However, NO ONE SHOULD TREAT ANOTHER ONE with disrespect!! PERIOD.
There is probably more to the story than we know! Thats the problem with these stories. it is so one sided, and while you feel for Eddie trying to meet someone he looked up to, most of the things i have heard about Joe Perry from the music scene around Boston, was he was a chill, cool guy! Maybe you are right, and he was a total jerk or maybe there is more that wasnt mentioned.
It was a case of "Old Bull / Young Bull" Syndrome → Y'know, when the old guard sees a new kid hit the scene who is playing the pants off everyone - and feel intimidated by him. Eric Clapton was far more scathing and snobby to our Boi, Ed. I'm glad to hear though, how ever true the initial schism between Jo & Ed may have been..just like what I love about how dudes deal with conflict like this...they got over it, forgave each other 100%, and became best buds!
In 82" interview Eddie said he went to shake Ritchie Blackmore's hand same he just walked away, but Eddie talked also about Randy Rhoads & said Randy had him down to the bone, who had passed earlier that year, Randy had his own style.
No chyt. Rhoads sounded absolutely NOTHING like EVH 🙄 Eddie treated Rhoads like CHYT while he WAS alive and? WAS STILL talkin HIS CHYT on Rhoads IMMEDIATELY AFTER the plane crash and BEFORE they EVEN put Rhoads IN THE GROUND! EVH as a guitarist? Well, obviously GREAT! AS A HUMAN BEING though?.....😒
The Blackmore thing has been taken out of context. Roger Glover Members of Rainbow would play practical jokes on each other, some verging on cruelty. Blackmore thought that his meeting with Eddie had been deliberately been set up by a certain Rainbow band member as pay back for a stunt that Ritchiehad pulled 10 days earlier. . That's why Ritchie ignored him and Eddie was stunned. Van Halen weren't very big in 1978 - 80. Name guitarists like Page, Blackmore, Clapton and David Gilmore heard he was fast, had a few tricks but overall the Van Halen songs were pedestrian and B Grade. Also, it's well known that Blackmore hates the celebrity worship of rock bands. Ritchie to this day hates it when fans come up to him and day 'you're the best' blah blah blah. Blackmore sees himself and only some of his peers like Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck as bona fide musicians and not celebrities.
i listened to his book on tape , he actually narrated it himself . it was THE most boring , WORST all around rock bio thing i ever experienced. He comes off as really jealous / hating tyler . i wanted to enjoy it but , man this guy seemed miserable , he also seems to have a tough time getting anything done on his own so it seems counterproductive to be pooping on the guy who apparently is your meal ticket but ... the book on tape is something else , he has a tough time reading his own text , and his accent is very thick . like a root canal would be more fun i really wanted to like him too .
Well, I don't care what kind of pain you are in. You do not refuse to shake someone's hand. That is a real dickhead move... That said, Joe comes across as a pretty nice guy in interviews.
Joe Perry is a very cool dude.Met him in San Fran at the club he was playing.Very nice guy FU ALIEN AUTOPSY.DONT LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE SAY U MORON.ASK M ANTHONY HOW HE WAS TREATED EVH.YOUR A FING CLOWN JO
@@peteytwofinger It is interesting that he would take the time to narrarate a book. Have never listened to a book on tape. To my mind, a book is meant to be *READ* and does not translate to audio. Even less so if a guy is reading it in monotone and does not have a good speaking voice. It sounds like absolute torture...
I saw Aerosmith in 1977 in Mobile, Alabama civic center . They played 3 songs. Everyone booed so they played one more song, Told us all to fuck off and almost caused a riot. I was 12 and I never supported them again. I saw Van Halen 6 times and was never disappointed. (David Lee Roth era)
Saw them in Columbia SC and they were burnt. Just stood there. Opening of Dream On, Tyler must have made a mistake and Perry yelled something. They went back and forth, lights went out.. Booing began. Tried again and this time Tyler yelled at Perry. Yelling, lights off, booing, Sounds of instrument bumping......
Exacly. Eddy had it coming to him from a future time when he would mistreat Randy. It´s like when they get to a certain height in the game, they enter certain club from where they see the ones climbing with disdain.
The difference is Eddie eventually learned how to play all the solos he created in the studio by punching in, and Joe eventually learned how to play all the solos Steve Hunter and Dick Wagner played, that steve took credit for..
Humility is a truly rare thing when dealing with individuals that are gifted with talent. When we are talking about lead guitar genius? One of the few honestly humble, and obviously untouchables ? Hendrix is far and above any other person who ever touched the instrument.
Holdsworth, I think is the true greatest electric guitarist of all time and to think he was ready to sell his guitar and work at factory is sad. Sad, he passed away in 2017 as well as Eddie passing away 3 year later.
Eddie is probably my favorite guitarist of all time. But it’s hard to hear how he felt disrespected by other guitarists when, if the stories are true, that’s pretty much how he treated Randy Rhoads who was pretty damn good himself and never treated EVH badly.
@@danieleidet7131 Sure thing boomer! Randy played way more scales and arpeggios. Randy was better technically and his fingers and hands were more skilled than EVH. EVH is all speed and gimmicks like tremolo and whammy and tappity tap tap toodle! At least Randy knew more than five chords and he also knew the accompanying scales and keys and modes to play them in. EVH just had the gimmicks first.
@@ElimGarakSpoonHead Listen to what some of the greats say. Vai, Satriani, Lukather, and you will get some understanding. Scales, arpeggios, and theory doesn't make the better composer. Thats why Ed was so good, and he played with swing to his feel. Hendrix and VH changed rock guitar forever.
And most important: Randy did not have a full career because of his untimely death like Eddie had. His best music was still to come and we were robbed of it by that jerk Andrew Aycock ...@@ElimGarakSpoonHead
My old boss hated everyone he worked with. The whole crew got along with each other. Eddie seemed to have a problem getting along with people. Maybe it was Eddie.
Tyler said that when he met Perry and the rest of the band, they did not know how to tune. That is a huge red flag with regard to Perry's musical abilities. I like Perry's playing but can you really be an elite guitarist without knowing how to tune? Very doubtful.
Tyler comes from a classically trained upbringing. Joe didn't care playing at The Barn with Tom. They were great, and still are, riff burners!! And don't get me going on Brad who went to Berkely.
Fame is not really what people think it is when they start out chasing it, and once caught, its too late. Aerosmith and Van Halen are as different as night and day, but they are in a category that very few others have ever truly entered, I would add Soundgargen to make this a little trilogy of bands that truly stood alone in their creativity, their style, and the addictiveness of their unique sound. They are all rock and roll but they did not really have peers that could threaten them at their height. I think Eddie was such a nice guy and faced a lot of disappointment because everyone he felt he might be able to relate to was caught up in their own problems. I'm glad these guys made up while they were all still alive, the truth is nobody could compete with any of them, they couldn't even compete with each other, they were truly top tear music creators with unique identities that could not be matched.
Both were fun, good-time, party time bands, but aside from EVH's guitar style, which was fresh and original, neither was especially revolutionary in their overall sound or in their songwriting. Aerosmith = Stones + Faces; Van Halen = turbocharged Jeff Beck minus the funk, jazz, and generally, good material.
@@sunjester8254 You're right, They are all unique in some way, I'm just pointing out bands that had a peculiarly high Leven of technicality compared to other bands who were charting at the time. Aerosmith had a longer career, and they have the highest number of global sales of albums at an estimated 150 million albums, if you compare that to Van Halen's 75 million, or Soundgarden's 30 million, you wind up with some anecdotal arguments that are all market rooted, but don't address which of these bands was truly having the most influence on other musicians. Another influence is was world population doubled between Aerosmith's formation in 1965 and Van Halen's first album was released in 1978, and stereos got cheep and were mass produced for home, cars and personal devices like Sony's Walkman. If you remove the metrics that make up the opinions about bands and just listen to them there are some major skill level differences, some that are natural, and others that are perfected by practice. In my opinion those 3 bands are not the same as a lot of what was placed in categories with them. So leaving Led Zeppelin, and Pink Floyd, and Nirvana and Metallica, and Korn and Lincoln Park and Devo, and whoever else out of this is not denying their uniqueness or contributions to music, but as a musician myself who has covered all of these bands in some detail, they are not the same, Aerosmith, Van Halen, and Soundgarden have an other worldly quality that stands above the standard of simply being unique. That's just my opinion, you don't have to share it, but I don't think its accurate to call it nonsense either.
It's lonely at the top. Eddie was far and away a better player than most at the time. Joe Perry sold his guitar at one low point, Eddie commented on that saying, " how do you sell your guitar" anyway, it's unfortunate they couldn't have become better friends.
If you mean the '59 Les Paul, it eventually ended up in Slash'es hands. Joe bugged him for years to sell it back to him. But on Joes birthday a few years back, Slash just gave it to him. Being a '59 LP with THAT provenance, its probably a $200,000 axe.
@@JeffKopis that would be that guitar, correct. I actually had been invited, while in Boston to dinner, and Steven Tyler also was invited. He was cool. This was prior to the bands comeback which was initiated by Run DMC walk this way video.
If you watch one of Neil Peart's 2018 interviews on this canadian show, he threw in a wink wink as he said opening for aerosmith, Rush never ever got a sound check....It was clearly a jab by Neil. But more important to me is that Aerosmith are so threatened with the egos, that they are the way they are. Eddie loved Holdsworth....loved him. Eddie would give ya the shirt off his back. Aerosmith, although threatened, probably made the right move in the 80's/90's writing radio soft rock songs instead of trying to write rock songs.
I was 16 April 8th 1979 . I asked my dad if I could go to Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum to see a concert, my dad said go ask your mother . My mom said no 4 hours later I called my mother from the Colosseum to tell her I was at the concert . All she could say then was be careful don't take any drugs . 😂 Van Halen was incredible . I got my first Gibson SG at 14 years old !
This brings back memories. Cause at c.j's in 78 he treated me the same. Until then Eddie was my idol from my hometown of Pasadena. Stuff sounds better after one died.
Joe Perry is a much nicer, reasonable and more grounded man than most people realize. It's unfortunate he didn't get along better with Eddie, and if he DID dismiss Eddie, it's really sad and out-of-character for Joe.
Joe Perry also a f'ing fraud. He built his rep as a good guitarist on the epic solo in "Train kept a Rollin'. That's what we loved as kids by him in the '70s.. As it turned out, he never played the solo! Yet, he was happy to let everyone believe he did like and f'ing fraud. From the 'net: "The song was a huge hit, and became known for its epic guitar solo! But neither Joe Perry, nor Brad Whitford, played the solo on this song. Legendary session guitarists Steve Hunter and Dick Wagner were the actual culprits behind this amazing solo. Which was recently revealed by Karen Ann Hunter, Steve’s wife." Thanks, Karen, for setting the record straight. Now imagine if Eddie had to get someone else to pay his solo in "Running with the Devil." Never! That's what a fraud-douche Joe Perry is. Screw him.
During the 1983/84 Van Halen tour, Joe's road crew delivered a writtten apology to Eddie's tech so they could arrange a get together and discuss and apologize for this.
Back in the day with all the drug taking it makes you a different person plus the arrogance of youth. As you dry out and get older you tend to gain clarity and become a different person
Having been in and out a lot of bad amateur bands , music doesn’t attract very nice people . Cutthroat is the mode and if your good they just look at you as a another body to climb over, they don’t like when you suck , and they really don’t like you if your good. Been there!
Depends on personal purview, attitude, direction, what one attracts in life. Witnessed cutthroats in many different sectors of life. Not just the music industry/scene. Look insightfully at the corporate world, attorneys, politicians...just for starters. Remember...All The World's A Stage. I'll never let outside forces deter my dreams & passions becoming, retaining reality.💥
1979, I was 20, in the Air Force. I went to a party and at that party I heard, Van Halen, AC-DC, Rush and Montrose for the first time........ I was never the same after that party.
I used to be a fan of Aerosmith till i got stiffed by their drummer every time i delivered food to him while working at a casino hotel in vegas for years. People are people but it sucks when the persons you think are going to be nice turn out differently. It was not just being stiffed its the way he made himself to be better than a regular worker, people act differently when nobody else is around i got to see that while working there.
To Joe's defense, in '79 he was stoned out of his mind 24/7. But still, he has always come off as moody and down. That's coming from a huge Aerosmith fan.
The fact of the matter is, both bands are 2 of the greatest song writing / composers in the history of rock. Yes, Eddie is a superior guitar player to Joe Perry but, his work in the Aerosmith catalog is truly great. Find 1 bad track on any album Aerosmith did in the 70s. You can say the same for Van Halen as well in the DLR Era. I am a huge fan of both bands and its mainly their song writing ability is the reason why.
Yes I love Aerosmith, they have so many great songs, video clips and great sound. Joe Perry became a very good guitarist after he got clean and he's a true rock star and legend! Joe Perry rocks!
Its sad hearing about the static between Edward's former predecessors in rock guitar when they met. It must hsve felt awfully awkward reaching a hand out in friendship to Perry or Blackmore and getting contempt and disrespect. I chalk it all up to immature jealousy.
Back in the 80s, I had a book about Van Halen and in it, was a story about them and RUSH not getting along. Apparently when they were all together someplace, Geddy Lee approached Eddie, who was sitting at a table. One of the VH security/road crew guys tackled Geddy before he could get close enough to Eddie to speak to him.
Despite being the genius he was, Eddie had serious self-esteem issues, which even helps explain his struggle with alcoholism. I imagine that in most of his interviews he was more or less drunk, which sometimes made him bitter or aggressive when he referred to his peers. Anyway, Eddie loved Joe Perry's playing, even if he sometimes said otherwise.
This is probably the best music industry channel as far as a fan's perspective: It's well-narrated, covers the subjects fairly without exaggerations, relays the conversations, interviews and recording work in chronological order, and plays everything fair...right down the middle of the road. I would have subscribed sooner if I could have recalled the narrator's voice. Happy Sunday.
@@karsguitarchannel6088 if you ever have time.....I would love if you covered the excellent American power trio Zebra. Imagine an American version of Rush or Triumph.....but heavily influenced by Yes & Zeppelin.
I usually feel it when a musical hero dies. Eddie passing was a particularly hard one to take. Bowie and Prince were shocks, but Eddie was right to the gut. I think if you play guitar, at any level, it’s dogma to listen and appreciate those that broke the rules and set new levels of creativity like Hendrix. Eddie was that. RIP
Eddie's body was cremated and one of his final wishes was for his ashes to be scattered off the coast of the town he lived in for years, Malibu, California.
Let's face it, when Van Halen dropped their first album, guys like Joe Perry, Ritchie Blackmore, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, etc became yesterday's news !
EVH was a great guitar player, no doubt! I never heard him play the blues!!! Hendrix is and always will be the greatest rock guitarist!! Period!! DON'T forget Rory Gallagher and Alvin Lee who were better than EVH!!
Maybe it as the way he approached them - I met Joe Perry when he was doing the Joe Perry Project and he was very nice- the one thing I always did was NEVER to call someone by their first name - you don't them and they're used to and tired of that - It's never failed me- just saying
It is best to say, "Nice to meet you." That's it. Perhaps add "sir" or "Mr Perry". That's what I would do. Would not ever call him Joe unless he told me to.
@@Better_Call_Raul Thats the way many of us were brought up. Were you military or brought up military? I have heard this is a common trait of military people (and old southerners).
Joe Perry is a legend. Aerosmith's catalog slays Van Halen's. Eddie was probably the greatest guitarist to ever live but he's defined by his early stuff. Ask Hagar how bad Eddie got. His attitude was unbearable. Probably not easy for any of these guys being famous. Add alcohol and drugs and all of them go through terrible times. It's not an easy life. That said Aerosmith just kept coming back. And truth be told those 5 are like brothers. I dont think anyone could love or hate them more than they love and hate each other.
What about Eddie and Yngwei? Yngwei claims Eddie would never even meet him. I think Eddie claimed he had never even heard of Yngwei. I guess they were not even at the same level in terms of stardom, so maybe Yngwei seemed like one of many dudes who wanted to meet Eddie.
I get the impression Eddie wasn’t into the neo-classical thing and Yngwie had a huge reputation back in the 80’s for being a huge d$ck. Why would Eddie be interested?
I went to that Stone Music Festival in Sydney in 2013. It was the middle of winter, poorly promoted and should have had way more people attending. It was the first and only time Van Halen performed in Australia with David Lee Roth. Both bands were phenomenal, though I would have to say Aerosmith were better.
Aerosmith were notorious assholes to other bands, especially opening acts, but saying Joe Perry lacked feel in his playing is ridiculous. The first Aerosmith album is a legendary classic and it's better than anything VH ever recorded. Saying Perry has no feel is almost as stupid as Dave saying no one imitates Steve Tyler or Robert Plant. Maybe Roth said that before Axl Rose and the rest of the hair metal bands popped up and took literally everything they did from Tyler. LA in the 80's was chock full of Aerosmith imitators who were all trying to be Tyler and Perry, and Tyler and Perry had always tried to be Page and Plant... This sounds like Dave talking out of his ass, like always, and trying to create drama where none existed.
I recall reading a magazine around 1990 where Joe Perry said he really liked what Eddie did. So all this is unfortunate. But Eddie - you could have made better use of Michael Anthony;s bass playing - I thought his volume was muted on most records. He could and should have sounded much better.
Heck, SCREW what EVH and his brother Alex didn't do for Anthony's bass playing "on the studio albums" . But maybe WAY MORE importantly? HOW they treated him OVERALL in the end? VH Bros , REAL nice people right there lemme tell ya! 😒
Knew this story, so I always found it funny that years later I saw Brad Whitford playing Eddie's Music Man guitar and a stack of EVH amps during a tour.
Met Holdsworth a complete gentleman,remember Hendrix went through the same,by other jealous players,yet when he passed,they changed their attitude,because the threat to their egos was gone,then Eddie came along,and the same,need a tough skin as an innovator
Well, Eddie was very critical of other guitarists. At times with a pinch of arrogance. He did that with Jimmy Page, who btw was not someone who disliked Van Halen. That's life... I don't think Page answered back with a bad atitude. I don't think he answered at all. Technically Page was not as good as Eddie, but the genious was far superior!
Eddie was so good when he came on the scene these guitarists hated him .Their swelled egos were bruised. They buzzed him off it says. Wow. Envy and jealousy. It's really good though what Joe Perry said about him in 2014. Eddie is so missed by so many people. Always had that smile when he was onstage. When Eddie came about it seemed suddenly many would imitate his style. He had alot of influence with guitarists all over.
Great times with those lineups...alot of people hated on VH when they made it...even their friends...I believe at that time aero was breaking up..& joe was going broke..
I've met Joe perry twice.First time in a small club in Boston when the Joe Perry Project played .The club was set up that bands would have to walk closely by patrons as they were going onstage. Joe came out with the band and stopped while the band was announced. A guy next to me had a copy of JPPs album. He very nicely asked him Joe could you sign my album. Your awesome. He turned and glared at him then turned and ignored him. I loved Aerosmith and just chalked it up to Joe having a bad day. Second time I was working for a rug company at his house. I went to pick up the rugs to take them to be cleaned. Joe and his wife were not there. Then a week later I brought the rugs back to lay them out. When I was done I needed my work slip signed. I didn't see anyone around. The woman I dealt with when I picked them up wasn't around. Through the open sliding glass doors I saw Joe sitting by the pool. I walked up and said excuse me Mr perry I don't want to disturb you but your rugs are done and I need a signature. He slid his sunglasses down his nose and glared at me for an uncomfortable minute or so saying nothing. Then turned and screamed for the woman I had met when I picked them up. She came running and grabbed me by the arm and said no one talks to mr perry. I didn't come on like a fan boy or even mentioned anything but the rugs.Kund of duechy
He is not that good to be acting that way. There are lots better guitar players out there.
Very interesting
@@RYDR6517 Brad Whitford was the real guitar player in Aerosmith.
Listen to both the Whitford/St Holmes albums. Tells you all you need to know. That being said, the JPP first album “Let The Music Do The Talking” was on my heavy play rotation in high school. Probably a combination of Joe surrounding himself with a tight rhythm section, and momentum from material he fleshed out when he was still recording NITR with Aerosmith. The other JPP albums were virtually unlistenable imo.
@@sixslinger9951Agreed
Sort of said hello to Joe P several years ago. Didn’t get much sense of him as a person. A moment later I met Steven T. Super cool, kind and humble.
respectfully I say this there's the asshole drunk and happy drunk. or vice versa. just leave them alone. stick with rock n roll zone. who knows what's behind that curtain.
I heard he was a bit of a bag .
Funny that the most talented guitarist of the bunch, Holdsworth, was so nice to Eddie
Fun story from Ted templeman’s book - Eddie got Holdsworth signed to a Warner subdivision & was set on producing Allan’s upcoming album. At the last minute Holdsworth changed producers & fired Eddie
It’s actually the other way around. Eddie is responsible for Holdsworth getting signed to Warner Brothers. He was one of the few players that Eddie really respected and it was something like Holdsworth was giving it one more shot and Eddie told someone at Warner brothers to check him out and he got a deal.
@@walterevans2118 this is the accurate version of the story.
Holdsworh is so friggin boring dude puts me to sleep
@@clemclemson9259 I always admired his virtuosic skills on a the guitar, but could only listen to his music in small doses. A bit too over the top for me. You almost have to be a jazz or fusion player yourself to truly get into it.
Had the honor becoming friends with Allan Holdsworth during the '80s. Highly admired how Eddie Van Halen went out of his way to help Allan get a record deal, his IOU band, music career. The Van Halen debut concerts in '78 were both earth shattering in the S.F. Bay Area.
Allan was simply on another level than most other guitar players.
I met Allan at the Diamond Club in Toronto. Humble, 'shy', gentleman.
RIP, bro
Problems arose because the label had issues with Allan's Singer..they didn't like Him & refused to sign Him unless He ditched Him so Allan agreed & they signed Him but Allen snuck Him on the album when their backs were turned so yeah..they barely promoted the album in the end..but I brought it & I liked the Singer.
@@andrewbroughton65was this the same singer that ripped Allan off with selling bootleg videos of IOU band??
@@jdhrap idk anything about that but His name was Paul Williams & He'd previously worked with Allan in the early 70's in a band called 'Tempest'.
My God, that festival lineup looked incredible! Blows the living sh*t out of anything today.
Btw if Ritchie Blackmore hates you, you're doing something right.
I was there. Great show
Blackmore hates everybody
Blackmore was notorious for smashing guitars because THEY wouldn't play right. I mean Ritchie you are the player, not the guitar. I've heard he's a jerk.
That 79’ tour Aerosmith did was a train wreck. If it had not been for AC/DC being so supportive of the band on that tour it would’ve been worse. When AC/DC were inducted into the RRHOF in 2003 who inducted them? It was none other than Steven Tyler of Aerosmith. When he sobered up he remembered how good AC/DC treated them. AC/DC back then made most bands look real bad due to their work ethic(s)
seen there done with mirrors 85/86 tour that was a trainwreck "drugs" . I can't believe they let Ted Nugent open for them he was on fire . basically double live gonzo revisited, he blew Aerosmith out of the water.
Replied above but yeah 79 I saw them and they were burnt. Saw Perry yell at Tyler during Dream On. They went at it, lights off, booing. Reset and then Tyler yelled at Perry, lights out /booing. Sounds of instruments bumping. More booing. Shortened uninspired show..
I just saw a little video on that. Love AC/DC, but I didn't know how tough and single-minded performers they are.
Saw Kansas open for them in Seattle on that tour and Kansas blew them away. Aerosmith was drugged out and off time on everything and horrible. Plus you could hardly hear them. A poor representation of the Aerosmith I has seen a few years earlier.
@@dsk333Ted Nugent can rip the licks run circles around a lot of more popular bands.
I feel for Eddie. He was phenomenal. They were all jealous. They should’ve cheered him on since they were all his inspiration.
Too bad because use egos clash I'm sure in that life. Competition. Eddie Van Halen was a master guitar player. When they burst onto the scene it was at a whole other level. He died too young. I remember those times it was the music I listened to. It's too bad Joe Perry made him feel that way. Aerosmith had alot of infighting then plus handling fame I think egos can ruin a good thing.
Well said
You mean like how Eddie later on did to Randy Rhoads.
yeah, Joe Perry and Eric Clapton were jealous. sure.
EVH: brillant guitarist. Average songwriter. Consummate showman.
Never understood why Perry got all the attention and Whitford none! Brad was and still is a beast on the 6string twanger!
He's a way better guitarist than JP. On the permanent vacation tour Brad's solo segment blew joe's away.
Can't take away the fact that Joe is a damn good guitarist. But without Brad, Joe would sound empty.
I just say Joe and Brad are the best 1,2 guitar combo of any rock band. Perry was considered Lead over Brad due to his all over the place style while Brad just had 1-2 tasty riffs and stuck with it. But you’re right Brad is as good as many other lead guitarists
Actually, Brad is the better player.
Exactly
Both great players, I’m glad they were able to humble themselves and patch things up, we could all learn that lesson.
I met Eddie at the Guitar Center in Hollywood, chatted for a few minutes and shook hands with him. He was so nice and humble. I was honored to meet him. That was in the early 90’s when his brother Alex was being inducted into the Hollywood walk of fame.
Well documented Edward treated Randy Rhoads the same way even the best of players can be insecure
Randy played Eruption (or maybe part of it,) when I saw him on the Blizzard of Oz tour. Everybody took long solos back then and Randy played several VanHalen bits. He'd been teaching guitar for a while and that 's what the kids wanted to learn. I saw it as a tribute to his hero. Eddie saw it as another performer directly stealing his best stuff.
so true ! everything seems to come down to being a private part measuring contest with these guitar players .drama queens too . then you have this gear obsession and worshiping vintage / tube stuff . the most closed minded egotistical people one would ever have the displeasure to run into . no thank you . the funny thig is these type i m on about are not successful in that this type of player NEVER has anything to show for THEMSELF . meaning - no original music . they might be great , in a great cover band and i think ultimately this explains a lot of why these people lash out so hard . if they sense someone may be able to write a song or string 3 chords together , its on . the whole shredding thing is great , but at the end of the day ... its doesnt mean very much ... putting oneself on a pedestal then shitting on everyone else , like people who play the pentatonic scale , judging others if they do not use the same gear as they do , keep your eyes peeled for this attitude and RUN when you see it . these jokers are all over comment sections and they roam in packs .
Hey a little competition brings out the best
@@Taylor.Dude. I'll take Eddie over Randy everyday but music is subjective. That's why it's everything. I love Randy too. Rock on mate!
@@Taylor.Dude. well done mate here here !
I worked as a scuba instructor years ago on Maui and had the opportunity to hang out with both Joe Perry and Steven Tyler. For weeks, I would take them diving, we would sit by the pool and BS and Steven even chartered a boat for me, him and his wife a kids. We had a blast. Both these guys treated me like they had known me for years. A ton of respect for both these two and the amazing memories they gave me as a young man.
You weren't competition to them. They had no reason to dis you 👍
@@jeffkeniAbsolutely right. He was useful to them. The minute he wasn’t, Perry in particular, would’ve cast him out.
They were probably relaxed being away from the band bs and you weren't coming across as a rabid drunken or stoned out fan
I remember growing up, a lot of kids wanted to play an instrument in the 80s. Music was a big influence on how people dressed, acted, looked, etc. Of course Van Halen, being as big as they were with Roth and Eddie, they pretty much personified every high school in America. It was Fast Times at Ridgemont High everywhere! With all the main characters too. VH's overall impact on American society is undeniable. Not too many bands can claim that crown. They were kings in every sense of the word!
🥰👑☝️😇
Yeah, "Jump" is the poster song of the '80s to me -- and the music video too.
Yeah; isn't great to teach the kids to get drunk and be rebellious. Fabulous results we are now encountering.
Almost like it's planned by the media.
Never worry what people think Just own it & make the best of what where & how ✌️
@@DexterHaven Indeed. At first, I kinda questioned the album title of "1984" and what it meant at the time. But now, so many years later, it's genius! Cause you can put on that album and immediately be time warped back to those great times of the 80s! Of course VH's music is timeless, and will never be "old" or sound "dated". To me, it's just another example of how incredible they were, the magic of THAT band, with those 4 guys, and the music they created together makes one truly feel blessed and fortunate to be a teenager in the 80's, and appreciate those times for the magic that they were. I mean, VH, RUSH, Triumph, I could go on forever with a list of bands and artists that made my life and many others get a little taste of heaven and God's great work!
I had the good fortune of seeing The Joe Perry Project "Let the Music do the Talking" tour in San Francisco at a small club. It was around 1980. He was so loud I could not believe it. My ears were ringing for days.
I never got to see Aerosmith on tour, but I saw VH around 1980, I think. We had are usual crap balcony seats. It was so loud we couldn't even recognize what they were playing. Only when I could sense the base line would have have a clue what song was going down. That and maybe when DLR paused for extended narration for Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love.
Well noted that Perry was balls, deep in cocaine and other drugs at the time so there’s that.
Loud does not mean good by any means!
I saw Aerosmith in the mid-90s in Germany and they were loud as f* but not in a pleasant way. Steven however put on one hell of a show and all their hit singles and classic tracks were great but it was painful to listen to because of the volume.
I seen VH in 79 and I could tell all the songs it was a great show. I seen VH with Sammy a few times in the 90's and they were all great shows. Aerosmith in the 90"s I think love in an elevator Tyler was awesome doing backflips and rocking it was a good sounding show and had a good time. The VH shows Eddy is amazing live you feel it.
When Rush opened for Aerosmith way back in the day, Aerosmith treated them like shit and wouldn't give them a sound check. When they opened for KISS, KISS were completely warm & generous to them, had their crew do Rush's load-in, and made them feel entirely welcome and at home. Gene & Geddy discovered their parents were Holocaust survivors. KISS had been treated very badly by the headliners when they were an opening act, and they made sure they'd never do that to the groups that opened for them.
That's what happens when you blast off and kick the world's ass! Eddie was and is the king! We miss you Ed😢
Him AND Satriani!!!!!
Damn right.
Not to mention … there’s another big difference … Aerosmith was all about Steven Tyler … and Van Halen was all about Eddie.
Absolutely
Randy Rhodes was way better than EVH if Randy didn’t die so young he would have been the best in the world.
I got the chance to hang out with Eddie for about 4 hours in his hotel room while they were on tour in 1989. Eddie had just played a show and when he got to the hotel room he picked up an Ovation guitar and played for the next 4 hours. Super nice guy
Wow. Eddie with an acoustic-electric Ovation. That is the sound of heaven.
@@Better_Call_Raul yeah he had it plugged into a Tascam Portastudio and just walked around in the hotel room playing
@@jlarrybrewer1149 Your so lucky to have gotten to meet him. No guitarist in history except maybe
Jimi made such an impact on rock guitar.
@@JamesWilliams-js4fo A fella by the name of Randy Rhoads did also.
@@2bookoo4u Yeah, Randy Rhodes ruled also.
I saw VH in July of 79 and it was the greatest experience of my life. I was only 14 and just a couple years into learning guitar. I also saw Aerosmith in 79....it was good but no where near VH experience.
But DLR can’t sing live - how good could VH have been?
Eddie was a legend. I’m guessing it was jealousy/intimidation. C’mon, we all KNOW Ed can play his ass off!
Yup !!!
Eddie isnt too bad.
The headline says Joe hated Eddie but the entire article is about Aeros love for him
Eddie sometimes treated other guitarists the same way (usually when he was drunk). When Randy Rhoads and Eddie met for the first time in 77, Randy asked Eddie how he kept his guitar in tune with all of his dive bombing on his strat tremolo. Eddie's answer was "I can't tell you, it's a secret". I mean REALLY??? Randy was shocked because he regularly shared his knowledge with other guitarists.
He still hadn't secured the patent on his bridge lock.
No, that's a good answer if he didn't even know Randy. Screw him. Eddie's not giving out his hard-earned secrets like a sucker would. I might have said, "Don't ask for more than you deserve to hear, stranger."
@@DexterHaven 😂Let me educate your here. Eddie's big "secret" WAS ANYTHING BUT. He didn't invent the floating strat bridge nor the locking tremolo. FLOYD ROSE did in 1976 and provided Eddie, Neal Schon and Steve Vai with one all at the same time. Randy was no "stranger" to Eddie either. Eddie well knew who Randy was.
@@johngalush8790Ummm, Eddie didn't invent the floating bridge / locking nut system - Floyd Rose did. Eddie had about as much to do with Floyd Rose getting his patent in 1979 as did Neil Schon or Steve Vai who ALSO had Floyd Rose bridges - NOTHING. It was no "secret" just an example of how insecure Eddie was at times.
@GTX1123 Ummm. Let me educate you here. Eddie had a huge influence on Floyd Rose. The thing didn't work right until Eddies modifications were added. The lock nut and fine tuners at the bridge. Look it up. Eddie had alot to do with it. Floyd Rose stole his idea and had it pattented.
Aerosmith blew VH away at the Stone Festival in Sydney that night. They were incredible. VH didn’t come close.
You can tell how friendly and approachable Joe perry is by the huge amount of documented photos and video interviews of him smiling...
im going to guess this is full of sarcasm , joe perry is a whiney d##$he.
is that dry humor or are you retarded? "You can tell he's a great guy because his publicist says so!"
Good point and funny.....but I blame his past persona on drug use and having to deal with the universe of ego that is Steven Tyler.
From what I've read about Perry, and interviews when he's just by himself, he really proves to be a stable, nice guy next-door.
I think he's been married to the same woman since his 20s.
I had to laugh at the sarcastic, clever way you put it, but I think his true self is a guy you'd probably like if you met him.
@@67marlins Joe was married to a control freak blonde beauty queen before Aerosmith ever made it. You can see old footage of her in the Aerosmith Video Scrapbook home video tape. Joe divorced her not long after leaving Aerosmith and married again to a woman that took him in when he had nothing due to his first wife selling all his guitars and whatever else. He must have married her sometime between 1981-84 when he was past 30
@bobowrath sovine OK- thanks for that information Bob. I appreciate it, I must have been going on something inaccurate and/or my recollection was bad....
Thanks again.
I understand why Eddie became the way he was later. He shut down completely. He was just a smiling naive very talented kid and wanted to hang out with everyone. Ofc they hated him because he was THE FUTURE. They were resting on their loreals as Rock Gods and suddenly this kid comes and makes them feel they dont know anything. It means they will have to go on square 1 and learn all these new things.
It's a hard pill to swallow for the then established "Guitar Gods". There was a kid out there who was doing things none of them could do.
Ofc there was tons of rejection and envy and Eddie being naive, young and longing for acceptance by his idols and heroes stung.
When you get rejected by someone you value more than yourself makes you feel like there is someting wrong with you. Like you aint cool enough. Its not like they will openly tell you why they hate you.
I think it took him a long time before he realized why they were treating him the way they did.
Art is a very comptitive world because its a world where the value of the artists is not measured with numbers or any other objective means. So lots of bullshitters could pass as artists. Also it didnt help that very few understood how good eddie was. The average musci listener doesnt understand the intricacies of guitar playing.
Anyways. I think Eddie got hurt badly by these 70s asshole guys like Joe Perry.
Well said👍
That's exactly what he did to Randy Rhoads. When he was young, Eddie could be a real ass.
Give me a break, Eddie could be a serious asshole and frequently was. He treated Randy Rhodes like shit too.
Meeting your music and film idols in real life can often end up in disappointment.
Truest comment on here! NEVER meet your idols! LOL
These horses asses USED to be IDOLS. They are just talented MEN, not GOD.@@inconnu4961
Never have expectations, then you can't be disappointed. You always get mixed meetings, depending on that person's day. I've met supposedly nasty people who are lovely and vice versa. You don't know what is going on with people on any given day.
@Krypt24 That's why there's the familiar saying, "Never meet your heroes."
Sting was a real ass! But everyone who knows him says the same thing!😂😂😂😂😅😅😅
EVH wasn't wrong about Perry's abilities as a guitarist. Brad Whitford is a better guitarist than Joe. I can't remember who said "If only Brad looked like Perry he'd be the star."
Brad is an awesome guitarist. Joe is mediocre…
I think much of this was drug related. My guess is Perry, the sober version, would have reacted differently around 1988.
I'm a AEROSMITH man.
That being said.....VAN HALEN has ALWAYS BEEN DIFFERENT. Both bands are unique and talented.
However, NO ONE SHOULD TREAT ANOTHER ONE with disrespect!!
PERIOD.
There is probably more to the story than we know! Thats the problem with these stories. it is so one sided, and while you feel for Eddie trying to meet someone he looked up to, most of the things i have heard about Joe Perry from the music scene around Boston, was he was a chill, cool guy! Maybe you are right, and he was a total jerk or maybe there is more that wasnt mentioned.
Bottom line Joe knew Eddie was better than him.
Horseshit. Music is subjective.
Or Perry was just whacked out on drugs, which is what Aerosmith was doing at that time.
Joe knew Eddie was better than anybody.
@@jeffshaw3466
I would have to agree with you on that. Eddie was a true guitar genius.
Way better,sounds to me like Perry was fucked up when he met EVH because Perry sure said some good things to say about him.
Joe was VERY likely all COKED up at the time...
It was a case of "Old Bull / Young Bull" Syndrome
→ Y'know, when the old guard sees a new kid hit the scene who is playing the pants off everyone - and feel intimidated by him.
Eric Clapton was far more scathing and snobby to our Boi, Ed.
I'm glad to hear though, how ever true the initial schism between Jo & Ed may have been..just like what I love about how dudes deal with conflict like this...they got over it, forgave each other 100%, and became best buds!
Then it happened again for Areosmith when Guns n Roses broke.
In 82" interview Eddie said he went to shake Ritchie Blackmore's hand same he just walked away, but Eddie talked also about Randy Rhoads & said Randy had him down to the bone, who had passed earlier that year, Randy had his own style.
No chyt. Rhoads sounded absolutely NOTHING like EVH 🙄 Eddie treated Rhoads like CHYT while he WAS alive and? WAS STILL talkin HIS CHYT on Rhoads IMMEDIATELY AFTER the plane crash and BEFORE they EVEN put Rhoads IN THE GROUND! EVH as a guitarist? Well, obviously GREAT! AS A HUMAN BEING though?.....😒
The Blackmore thing has been taken out of context.
Roger Glover
Members of Rainbow would play practical jokes on each other, some verging on cruelty.
Blackmore thought that his meeting with Eddie had been deliberately been set up by a certain Rainbow band member as pay back for a stunt that Ritchiehad pulled 10 days earlier. . That's why Ritchie ignored him and Eddie was stunned.
Van Halen weren't very big in 1978 - 80. Name guitarists like Page, Blackmore, Clapton and David Gilmore heard he was fast, had a few tricks but overall the Van Halen songs were pedestrian and B Grade.
Also, it's well known that Blackmore hates the celebrity worship of rock bands.
Ritchie to this day hates it when fans come up to him and day 'you're the best' blah blah blah.
Blackmore sees himself and only some of his peers like Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck as bona fide musicians and not celebrities.
Just goes to show, you never know what people are going through in their personal lives.
So sad to hear that about Joe Perry. Multiple people have said the same thing that he's not very friendly. He must be in a lot of pain. God bless him
i listened to his book on tape , he actually narrated it himself . it was THE most boring , WORST all around rock bio thing i ever experienced. He comes off as really jealous / hating tyler . i wanted to enjoy it but , man this guy seemed miserable , he also seems to have a tough time getting anything done on his own so it seems counterproductive to be pooping on the guy who apparently is your meal ticket but ... the book on tape is something else , he has a tough time reading his own text , and his accent is very thick . like a root canal would be more fun i really wanted to like him too .
Well, I don't care what kind of pain you are in. You do not refuse to shake someone's hand. That is a real dickhead move... That said, Joe comes across as a pretty nice guy in interviews.
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Joe Perry is a very cool dude.Met him in San Fran at the club he was playing.Very nice guy FU ALIEN AUTOPSY.DONT LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE SAY U MORON.ASK M ANTHONY HOW HE WAS TREATED EVH.YOUR A FING CLOWN JO
@@peteytwofinger It is interesting that he would take the time to narrarate a book. Have never listened to a book on tape. To my mind, a book is meant to be *READ* and does not translate to audio. Even less so if a guy is reading it in monotone and does not have a good speaking voice. It sounds like absolute torture...
I saw Aerosmith in 1977 in Mobile, Alabama civic center . They played 3 songs. Everyone booed so they played one more song, Told us all to fuck off and almost caused a riot. I was 12 and I never supported them again. I saw Van Halen 6 times and was never disappointed. (David Lee Roth era)
Saw them in Columbia SC and they were burnt. Just stood there. Opening of Dream On, Tyler must have made a mistake and Perry yelled something. They went back and forth, lights went out.. Booing began. Tried again and this time Tyler yelled at Perry. Yelling, lights off, booing, Sounds of instrument bumping......
They’re known for being arrogant assholes and that reputation was known early in their career
@Fat Albert ah yes jul78 very unenergetically following AC/DC at long beach
Joe treated Eddie exactly how Eddie treated Randy Rhoads.
I was going to say that. You beat me to it. It’s exactly the same.
Exacly. Eddy had it coming to him from a future time when he would mistreat Randy. It´s like when they get to a certain height in the game, they enter certain club from where they see the ones climbing with disdain.
Rhoads not better than Eddie
The difference is Eddie eventually learned how to play all the solos he created in the studio by punching in, and Joe eventually learned how to play all the solos Steve Hunter and Dick Wagner played, that steve took credit for..
That's because randysucks
Looks like they all became friends and respected each other in the end.
Eddie said he was "not that way?" That is untrue. He and David Lee Roth treated Randy Rhoads even worse.
Sounds like Joe finally came around to give Eddie his Rightful Respects \m/ \m/
Joe and Steven got clean.
Humility is a truly rare thing when dealing with individuals that are gifted with talent. When we are talking about lead guitar genius? One of the few honestly humble, and obviously untouchables ? Hendrix is far and above any other person who ever touched the instrument.
Agreed. It wasn't just about speed. Hendrix evoked emotions.
The members of Rush said that they were treated like crap by Aerosmith when the toured together.
Two of my heroes beefing. I feel like a child of divorce
This channel is like the old Hit Pareder mail in bulletin board. I think I'll sub lol
Also, I met Allan Holdsworth too, he was very kind. Michael Anthony was super sweet, and Steven Tyler was amazing to meet.
Holdsworth, I think is the true greatest electric guitarist of all time and to think he was ready to sell his guitar and work at factory is sad. Sad, he passed away in 2017 as well as Eddie passing away 3 year later.
No one could touch Van Halen
Jeff Beck
@@427bullis um No
@YourNeighbor1 well good for you you're so out numbered you're not even a blip on radar
@@BlueberryStinkFinger62 dream
@@BlueberryStinkFinger62 Uhhhh, yea buddy Jeff Beck was a total innovator on the guitar.
Eddie is probably my favorite guitarist of all time. But it’s hard to hear how he felt disrespected by other guitarists when, if the stories are true, that’s pretty much how he treated Randy Rhoads who was pretty damn good himself and never treated EVH badly.
Randy > Eddie
@@lucalonewe all know that’s bullshit. 😂
@@danieleidet7131 Sure thing boomer! Randy played way more scales and arpeggios. Randy was better technically and his fingers and hands were more skilled than EVH. EVH is all speed and gimmicks like tremolo and whammy and tappity tap tap toodle! At least Randy knew more than five chords and he also knew the accompanying scales and keys and modes to play them in. EVH just had the gimmicks first.
@@ElimGarakSpoonHead Listen to what some of the greats say. Vai, Satriani, Lukather, and you will get some understanding. Scales, arpeggios, and theory doesn't make the better composer. Thats why Ed was so good, and he played with swing to his feel. Hendrix and VH changed rock guitar forever.
And most important: Randy did not have a full career because of his untimely death like Eddie had. His best music was still to come and we were robbed of it by that jerk Andrew Aycock ...@@ElimGarakSpoonHead
My old boss hated everyone he worked with. The whole crew got along with each other. Eddie seemed to have a problem getting along with people. Maybe it was Eddie.
Tyler said that when he met Perry and the rest of the band, they did not know how to tune. That is a huge red flag with regard to Perry's musical abilities. I like Perry's playing but can you really be an elite guitarist without knowing how to tune? Very doubtful.
Tyler comes from a classically trained upbringing. Joe didn't care playing at The Barn with Tom. They were great, and still are, riff burners!! And don't get me going on Brad who went to Berkely.
What a great story 👏🏻 and I'm sharing your videos so that others can know what goes on behind the stage set.❤🎉❤🎉❤
Thank you very much Ellen, I appreciate! Happy holidays!!! 🎸😊
Fame is not really what people think it is when they start out chasing it, and once caught, its too late. Aerosmith and Van Halen are as different as night and day, but they are in a category that very few others have ever truly entered, I would add Soundgargen to make this a little trilogy of bands that truly stood alone in their creativity, their style, and the addictiveness of their unique sound. They are all rock and roll but they did not really have peers that could threaten them at their height. I think Eddie was such a nice guy and faced a lot of disappointment because everyone he felt he might be able to relate to was caught up in their own problems. I'm glad these guys made up while they were all still alive, the truth is nobody could compete with any of them, they couldn't even compete with each other, they were truly top tear music creators with unique identities that could not be matched.
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That's nonsense. There are plenty of bands that have the own unique style.
Both were fun, good-time, party time bands, but aside from EVH's guitar style, which was fresh and original, neither was especially revolutionary in their overall sound or in their songwriting. Aerosmith = Stones + Faces; Van Halen = turbocharged Jeff Beck minus the funk, jazz, and generally, good material.
@@christopher9152 PMSL, yeah sure.
@@sunjester8254 You're right, They are all unique in some way, I'm just pointing out bands that had a peculiarly high Leven of technicality compared to other bands who were charting at the time. Aerosmith had a longer career, and they have the highest number of global sales of albums at an estimated 150 million albums, if you compare that to Van Halen's 75 million, or Soundgarden's 30 million, you wind up with some anecdotal arguments that are all market rooted, but don't address which of these bands was truly having the most influence on other musicians. Another influence is was world population doubled between Aerosmith's formation in 1965 and Van Halen's first album was released in 1978, and stereos got cheep and were mass produced for home, cars and personal devices like Sony's Walkman. If you remove the metrics that make up the opinions about bands and just listen to them there are some major skill level differences, some that are natural, and others that are perfected by practice. In my opinion those 3 bands are not the same as a lot of what was placed in categories with them. So leaving Led Zeppelin, and Pink Floyd, and Nirvana and Metallica, and Korn and Lincoln Park and Devo, and whoever else out of this is not denying their uniqueness or contributions to music, but as a musician myself who has covered all of these bands in some detail, they are not the same, Aerosmith, Van Halen, and Soundgarden have an other worldly quality that stands above the standard of simply being unique. That's just my opinion, you don't have to share it, but I don't think its accurate to call it nonsense either.
So Joe Perrys only friend was a bag of coke....which later became Eddies only friend.
Great video! Thank you for sharing this with us!
Big thanks Shannon, I appreciate! Great pleasure!
It's lonely at the top. Eddie was far and away a better player than most at the time. Joe Perry sold his guitar at one low point, Eddie commented on that saying, " how do you sell your guitar" anyway, it's unfortunate they couldn't have become better friends.
If you mean the '59 Les Paul, it eventually ended up in Slash'es hands. Joe bugged him for years to sell it back to him. But on Joes birthday a few years back, Slash just gave it to him. Being a '59 LP with THAT provenance, its probably a $200,000 axe.
@@JeffKopis that would be that guitar, correct. I actually had been invited, while in Boston to dinner, and Steven Tyler also was invited. He was cool. This was prior to the bands comeback which was initiated by Run DMC walk this way video.
If you watch one of Neil Peart's 2018 interviews on this canadian show, he threw in a wink wink as he said opening for aerosmith, Rush never ever got a sound check....It was clearly a jab by Neil. But more important to me is that Aerosmith are so threatened with the egos, that they are the way they are. Eddie loved Holdsworth....loved him. Eddie would give ya the shirt off his back. Aerosmith, although threatened, probably made the right move in the 80's/90's writing radio soft rock songs instead of trying to write rock songs.
Who does the captions for these videos? They're terrible, heck I'll do it. Good story though and enjoyed the insight.
Many thanks for checking out, great pleasure! Rock 'N' Roll!
I was 16 April 8th 1979 . I asked my dad if I could go to Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum to see a concert, my dad said go ask your mother . My mom said no 4 hours later I called my mother from the Colosseum to tell her I was at the concert . All she could say then was be careful don't take any drugs . 😂 Van Halen was incredible . I got my first Gibson SG at 14 years old !
Awesome, thanks!
These guys have such a life that you can't really judge them or blame them for their pit falls.
This brings back memories. Cause at c.j's in 78 he treated me the same. Until then Eddie was my idol from my hometown of Pasadena. Stuff sounds better after one died.
Joe Perry is a much nicer, reasonable and more grounded man than most people realize.
It's unfortunate he didn't get along better with Eddie, and if he DID dismiss Eddie, it's really sad and out-of-character for Joe.
Joe Perry also a f'ing fraud. He built his rep as a good guitarist on the epic solo in "Train kept a Rollin'. That's what we loved as kids by him in the '70s.. As it turned out, he never played the solo! Yet, he was happy to let everyone believe he did like and f'ing fraud. From the 'net: "The song was a huge hit, and became known for its epic guitar solo! But neither Joe Perry, nor Brad Whitford, played the solo on this song. Legendary session guitarists Steve Hunter and Dick Wagner were the actual culprits behind this amazing solo. Which was recently revealed by Karen Ann Hunter, Steve’s wife." Thanks, Karen, for setting the record straight. Now imagine if Eddie had to get someone else to pay his solo in "Running with the Devil." Never! That's what a fraud-douche Joe Perry is. Screw him.
Joe admits that in the 70's he was a arrogant prick. Drug's didn't help. I think the sober 'real 'Joe is a nice person
During the 1983/84 Van Halen tour, Joe's road crew delivered a writtten apology to Eddie's tech so they could arrange a get together and discuss and apologize for this.
@richardsemerjian171 that sounds like the Joe Perry I've read about!
Thanks for the trivia & info, Richard.
Is your surname Armenian?
Back in the day with all the drug taking it makes you a different person plus the arrogance of youth. As you dry out and get older you tend to gain clarity and become a different person
Excellent as always,, Have a Rocking Great Day !!!
Hi Scott, thanks for the visit, much appreciated! Have a great weekend!!!
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I read the Ted Nugent got mad at Eddie because when when Van Halen opened for him Ted wanted to check out Eddie's effects board and Eddie said no
Not according to Ted. He tells it like he and Eddie played both of each other's rigs during a sound check.
As Judge Judy would say. "Hearsay. Is Mr. Van Halen here? No? Let Mr. Van Halen speak for himself."
Having been in and out a lot of bad amateur bands , music doesn’t attract very nice people . Cutthroat is the mode and if your good they just look at you as a another body to climb over, they don’t like when you suck , and they really don’t like you if your good. Been there!
Depends on personal purview, attitude, direction, what one attracts in life. Witnessed cutthroats in many different sectors of life. Not just the music industry/scene. Look insightfully at the corporate world, attorneys, politicians...just for starters. Remember...All The World's A Stage. I'll never let outside forces deter my dreams & passions becoming, retaining reality.💥
1979, I was 20, in the Air Force. I went to a party and at that party I heard, Van Halen, AC-DC, Rush and Montrose for the first time........ I was never the same after that party.
I used to be a fan of Aerosmith till i got stiffed by their drummer every time i delivered food to him while working at a casino hotel in vegas for years. People are people but it sucks when the persons you think are going to be nice turn out differently. It was not just being stiffed its the way he made himself to be better than a regular worker, people act differently when nobody else is around i got to see that while working there.
IT WAS NOT THERE REAL DRUMMER DA
That's why they say never meet your influences cause most of them are not what you think!
To Joe's defense, in '79 he was stoned out of his mind 24/7. But still, he has always come off as moody and down. That's coming from a huge Aerosmith fan.
“We made untold millions… where did it go?”
Your arm.
The fact of the matter is, both bands are 2 of the greatest song writing / composers in the history of rock. Yes, Eddie is a superior guitar player to Joe Perry but, his work in the Aerosmith catalog is truly great. Find 1 bad track on any album Aerosmith did in the 70s. You can say the same for Van Halen as well in the DLR Era. I am a huge fan of both bands and its mainly their song writing ability is the reason why.
Superior? Hardly, different, yes.
Yes I love Aerosmith, they have so many great songs, video clips and great sound. Joe Perry became a very good guitarist after he got clean and he's a true rock star and legend! Joe Perry rocks!
Roy Clark blew everybody away in the 60s with fast fingers... Why no one talks about this is impossible!
They were jealous and threatened by Eddie. To walk away and not shake someone's hand is a douchbag move.
Apples and Oranges.. both are Excellent..
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1:53 Wow! You can really see the brothers Indonesian heritage in this photo!
And a lot of photos.
Its sad hearing about the static between Edward's former predecessors in rock guitar when they met. It must hsve felt awfully awkward reaching a hand out in friendship to Perry or Blackmore and getting contempt and disrespect. I chalk it all up to immature jealousy.
I didnt expect it to get touching 😢
Back in the 80s, I had a book about Van Halen and in it, was a story about them and RUSH not getting along. Apparently when they were all together someplace, Geddy Lee approached Eddie, who was sitting at a table. One of the VH security/road crew guys tackled Geddy before he could get close enough to Eddie to speak to him.
Geddy Van Halen?
@@quarantineclips488oh yea the guy playing the unique leads, tight rhygs, & juno chords while playing bass & singing in the stratosphere
@@iracordem ha! That would be something. Or maybe “David Lee Peart” as well. Doing splits and strutting to an odd 7/8 time signature.
@@quarantineclips488 😂
Despite being the genius he was, Eddie had serious self-esteem issues, which even helps explain his struggle with alcoholism. I imagine that in most of his interviews he was more or less drunk, which sometimes made him bitter or aggressive when he referred to his peers. Anyway, Eddie loved Joe Perry's playing, even if he sometimes said otherwise.
This is probably the best music industry channel as far as a fan's perspective:
It's well-narrated, covers the subjects fairly without exaggerations, relays the conversations, interviews and recording work in chronological order, and plays everything fair...right down the middle of the road.
I would have subscribed sooner if I could have recalled the narrator's voice.
Happy Sunday.
Many thanks, great pleasure !!!
@@karsguitarchannel6088 if you ever have time.....I would love if you covered the excellent American power trio Zebra.
Imagine an American version of Rush or Triumph.....but heavily influenced by Yes & Zeppelin.
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Well narrated? It sounds like bad AI with it's awkward pauses and spoken typos and "Ted Nugent" is a weird way of pronouncing "Pat Travers."
@@jessegilbert9568 OK start a channel and do better.
Until then, maybe keep the list of nit-picking complaints to yourself.
Bye.
RIP Eddie, and fuck all those who were just jealous of your talent...
I usually feel it when a musical hero dies. Eddie passing was a particularly hard one to take. Bowie and Prince were shocks, but Eddie was right to the gut.
I think if you play guitar, at any level, it’s dogma to listen and appreciate those that broke the rules and set new levels of creativity like Hendrix. Eddie was that. RIP
Lay him down softly in the ground and long live The King.
Eddie's body was cremated and one of his final wishes was for his ashes to be scattered off the coast of the town he lived in for years, Malibu, California.
Let's face it, when Van Halen dropped their first album, guys like Joe Perry, Ritchie Blackmore, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, etc became yesterday's news !
Hardly, I saw LED Zeppelin three times. Jimmy is still looked up to 50 years later. Eddie was one of the Best.
EVH was a great guitar player, no doubt! I never heard him play the blues!!! Hendrix is and always will be the greatest rock guitarist!! Period!! DON'T forget Rory Gallagher and Alvin Lee who were better than EVH!!
Sorry man Page and Clapton are in their own worlds and nothing could/can touch them. EVH is also in a class by himself.
Seems like Eddie interpreted Joe Perry much negatively than what Joe Perry actually thought about Eddie.
Maybe it as the way he approached them - I met Joe Perry when he was doing the Joe Perry Project and he was very nice- the one thing I always did was NEVER to call someone by their first name - you don't them and they're used to and tired of that - It's never failed me- just saying
It is best to say, "Nice to meet you." That's it. Perhaps add "sir" or "Mr Perry". That's what I would do. Would not ever call him Joe unless he told me to.
@@Better_Call_Raul Thats the way many of us were brought up. Were you military or brought up military? I have heard this is a common trait of military people (and old southerners).
Joe Perry is a legend. Aerosmith's catalog slays Van Halen's. Eddie was probably the greatest guitarist to ever live but he's defined by his early stuff. Ask Hagar how bad Eddie got. His attitude was unbearable. Probably not easy for any of these guys being famous. Add alcohol and drugs and all of them go through terrible times. It's not an easy life. That said Aerosmith just kept coming back. And truth be told those 5 are like brothers. I dont think anyone could love or hate them more than they love and hate each other.
Is there anyone who Eddie didn't have a problem with? It seems all he did was complain.
Eddie was friends with Tony Iommi, Brian May and Malcolm Young.
Didn’t EVH ask if Nirvana’s guitarist Pat Smear if he was a “n” word to his face?
Joe was always very friendly to me back in those days and through the mid 80s.
Who are you ?
@@MrSteel7 Someone who was backstage at a lot of JPP shows through all the early incarnations and the first few reunion year tours.
What about Eddie and Yngwei? Yngwei claims Eddie would never even meet him. I think Eddie claimed he had never even heard of Yngwei. I guess they were not even at the same level in terms of stardom, so maybe Yngwei seemed like one of many dudes who wanted to meet Eddie.
It’s Yngwie, not Yngwei.
I get the impression Eddie wasn’t into the neo-classical thing and Yngwie had a huge reputation back in the 80’s for being a huge d$ck. Why would Eddie be interested?
I went to that Stone Music Festival in Sydney in 2013. It was the middle of winter, poorly promoted and should have had way more people attending. It was the first and only time Van Halen performed in Australia with David Lee Roth. Both bands were phenomenal, though I would have to say Aerosmith were better.
I heard Eddie was drunk when they met. Same situation with Eric Clapton and Jimi Page. Eddie did the same tired old riffs, over and over again.
Aerosmith were notorious assholes to other bands, especially opening acts, but saying Joe Perry lacked feel in his playing is ridiculous. The first Aerosmith album is a legendary classic and it's better than anything VH ever recorded. Saying Perry has no feel is almost as stupid as Dave saying no one imitates Steve Tyler or Robert Plant. Maybe Roth said that before Axl Rose and the rest of the hair metal bands popped up and took literally everything they did from Tyler. LA in the 80's was chock full of Aerosmith imitators who were all trying to be Tyler and Perry, and Tyler and Perry had always tried to be Page and Plant... This sounds like Dave talking out of his ass, like always, and trying to create drama where none existed.
While Aerosmith definitely wrote some great music, Joe Perry could never even begin to dream of being in the same league as Eddie
There is some old saying about meeting your “hero’s” and being disappointed…
I recall reading a magazine around 1990 where Joe Perry said he really liked what Eddie did. So all this is unfortunate. But Eddie - you could have made better use of Michael Anthony;s bass playing - I thought his volume was muted on most records. He could and should have sounded much better.
Micheal Anthony is the secret weapon to VH. His bass playing is great but his vocals in harmony with EVH puts them over the top.
Heck, SCREW what EVH and his brother Alex didn't do for Anthony's bass playing "on the studio albums" . But maybe WAY MORE importantly? HOW they treated him OVERALL in the end? VH Bros , REAL nice people right there lemme tell ya! 😒
This headline might as well have come from an elementary school playground. These guys needed to grow up and wish each other well.
Ed was good to up n coming bands. As it should be !
Knew this story, so I always found it funny that years later I saw Brad Whitford playing Eddie's Music Man guitar and a stack of EVH amps during a tour.
"I wish there were more people who were innovative so i would have someone to copy licks from" EVH
LOL awesome
Hey copied, quite a bit from Holdsworth.
@@jfo3000 neat
Met Holdsworth a complete gentleman,remember Hendrix went through the same,by other jealous players,yet when he passed,they changed their attitude,because the threat to their egos was gone,then Eddie came along,and the same,need a tough skin as an innovator
Well, Eddie was very critical of other guitarists. At times with a pinch of arrogance. He did that with Jimmy Page, who btw was not someone who disliked Van Halen. That's life... I don't think Page answered back with a bad atitude. I don't think he answered at all. Technically Page was not as good as Eddie, but the genious was far superior!
Eddie was so good when he came on the scene these guitarists hated him .Their swelled egos were bruised. They buzzed him off it says. Wow. Envy and jealousy. It's really good though what Joe Perry said about him in 2014. Eddie is so missed by so many people. Always had that smile when he was onstage. When Eddie came about it seemed suddenly many would imitate his style. He had alot of influence with guitarists all over.
LOFL, WRONG! they knew his gig, a lot of tricks and gimmick, Perry is legit, if not pick up a guitar and play some .. what I thought
@@deandee8082 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Great times with those lineups...alot of people hated on VH when they made it...even their friends...I believe at that time aero was breaking up..& joe was going broke..
Definitely, and at Joe’s most messed-up