Jesus said that he would turn even families against each other. We must stand for truth. I'm with Voddie as hard as it might be to face it potentially myself one day.
Voddie is right. We adopted 8 kids from backgrounds of abuse. The 2nd and 8th “ married” same sex. We attended neither. Our youngest son committed adultery, the after she divorced her husband, she married our son. We did not attend their wedding either. We did not hate or mistreat any of them, but homosexuality and adultery are both condemned in scriptures. We worked hard to show kindness and compassion, but not approval. Never saw repentance in any of them. We got called unloving, judgmental, legalist.
Quote: _"We worked hard to show kindness and compassion, but not approval."_ I agree, that's the proper approach. The unsaved people in our families still love us even though they dismiss our beliefs. I'm a firm believer in the rapture and I believe the disappearance of the Church, and I think babies and young children, will shock our family members back to the reality of what we told them about the Bible.
At least you are consistent. My frustration is with Christians who are so mean to gay people (who didn't choose to be gay!), but then are completely tolerant of third, fourth, fifth marriages.... ...we have so many Christian leaders here in the US holding Trump up as a paragon of family values, yet he destroyed his first two marriages with adultery and has just been fined for rape.
It says that in the same way we say "the sun rises" Of course the sun doesn't rise! Don't use something so trivial to discard the Bible. If a Christian is wrong, where the Bible isn't true and Jesus is not Lord--they loose NOTHING. If you are wrong where the Bible IS true and Jesus IS Lord= you loose EVERYTHING! Take some time to really read it before you discard it. C.S. Lewis said " we are not humans having a spiritual experience but rather spiritual beings having a human experience" Eternity is too long of a gamble of your soul.@@truthgiver8286
We faced this very situation last year with our daughter. We gave her an RSVP by flying from GA to Seattle to meet her partner and tell our daughter in person we could not attend. I told her, "We would not be honoring God or honoring her by attending the ceremony and our desire is to honor both God and yourself." My last statement was, "We love you and our love for you has not/will not change because you are the daughter that God has blessed us with." She understood our stand and our love for her.
@@ddrse no you can't. You could be if you are battling the temptation maybe if knowing that it is sin, but if you believe that it isn't sin then that's a different gospel.
@@evetsegap That's true and it was the grandson who affirmed the grandmother's relationship with Jesus and her stance regarding this situation. With this knowledge, it was advised that she go. A very personal reply to one person - not a blanket statement.
Once the grandma tells the grandson that she cannot affirm the wedding (as Alistair said in first part of his answer), I think the most diplomatic way is to continue that she can not attend the wedding (to affirm it) without compromising her faith and integrity.
I side with Voddie Baucham. There's a point in the wedding where the priest says "Should anyone present know of any reason that this couple should not be joined in holy matrimony, speak now or forever hold your peace" If you say nothing, then you approve of the marriage. So unless you're going to object, it's best NOT to attend a gay or transgender "wedding." We must obey God rather than man.
The statement I agree with from Pastor Begg is to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling." But as Pastor Baucham gave his advice, I couldn't help but hear the words of Christ, "I didn't come to bring peace, but a sword." I totally agree with walking in love. Sometimes it's gotta be tough love.
2 Cor 6:17 come out from among them; touch not the unclean thing...Rev. 18:4 do NOT take part in her sins and share in her punishment....(re Babylon)...
I absolutely cannot believe this needs to be debated among Christians. Never condone sin. That is not being loving. That is being selfish because you don’t want to lose someone you love.
When we live in a world that gets the two completely backwards, then actual love looks like hate. Only to the one with a deluded mind.@@glenjohnson5323
We're living in a post-truth world. Traditional Christianity has never really been zealous for the truth, but it has become increasingly more apathetic about it over the past few decades. It's gotten to the point where the average mainstream church pastor sounds more like Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama than God.
So many "Christians" today have watered down the truth of God's Word and have compromised with the world. When you attend things like this you are putting your seal of approval on it. We need to be like Peter and John who said We must obey God rather than man.
@@DonMaeWenger Going to a wedding is not just simply having a meal with a sinner. It is partaking in their sin. A wedding is a covenant and the guests are supportive witnesses.
You consent to posting videos on a platform that openly supports gay marriage for its employees all while posting from a phone or computer that was most likely made by slave labor to some degree. Are you affirming RUclips’s stance by posting on their platform? Or are you using it to spread the word of God despite it not being wholly good?
@@monocrum Terrible analogy. You are comparing apples to oranges. A marriage ceremony is not a communication format. God designed marriage to be between a man and a woman. Period. Anything other than that is a mockery of what God has called good. I'm saddened that anyone that reads their Bible can't grasp this reality. That being said, there are many other ways to show love to those that are lost. Compromising God's precepts and laws is not the answer.
Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
Exactly! Jesus came to separate, not unite. It may sound unloving but he came to separate the saved from the unsaved, the ones belong to him from the ones belong to the devil.
@@leebrown1803 Good thing we're not saved by perfect doctrine or law keeping or even good/bad works. Salvation is by God's grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ's everlasting bloodshed atonement for ALL of our sins, alone. Sealed by the Holy Spirit for eternity.
@@charq52A Catholic wedding that is between a man and woman is not a celebration of sin. God ordained marriage to be between one man and one woman. Even if the man and woman marrying do not believe in God, they are still marrying according to how God ordained marriage to be. That is, one man and one woman. A gay wedding, however, is a celebration of sin, something that is immoral and unnatural according to God.
I have homosexual family and have witnessed to them. I've also distanced myself from them and would never go to their lustful feast that I won't call wedding. I've also lost a close friend of 15 years who "came out" as homosexual. We have to hold to the truth and not budge, no matter what!
With gay and trans weddings now commonplace, the church will have to respond biblically! While we love the sinner, we cannot compromise our stance! Attending a gay wedding would be complicit of such a practice. It would send a congratulatory message of blessing to a union that is not approved by God!
The reason we have always been persecuted is because we call attention to someone's sin...albeit in a loving manner. Stand firm. Love them by not attending and making them see the difference between a sin life and a redeemed life.
@@3PeninsulasOutdoors well, you are also a sinner, should they point out all your sin? I’m pretty sure leaving the judging to God is best, being loving and spreading his teachings is always the best course of action.
@@hankaaron3942 I am absolutely a sinner. Saved only by grace. And I would absolutely hope that if there was an area of open unrepentant sin in my life, the Christians around me would point it out in love, just as Matthew 18 requires, instead of hatefully letting me go on like that. 💯 If not I’m around the wrong people. Also, I never said anything about judgement, but there is nothing wrong with righteous judgment. God will absolutely judge everyone in the end, and I’m glad to leave that to him.
being accepting of something that is not a wedding or marriage is a slippert slope. We do not & should not support anything outside of Gods ordained scriptures. God ordained marriage between a man & a woman ..PERIOD! It is not being critical or judgmental it’s telling the truth. If pastors are going 2 cave on this what else will they cave & accept that is not biblical… I might be wrong but I think Alister Begg just opened a door that should have remained closed. I totally agree w/ Voddie & John Piper ✝️🙌🙏
@@WrathandGrace Thats right. Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor MEN WHO PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY, will inherit the kingdom of God!! 1 Cor 6:9-10
If your married , you purposely married a lying, deceptive , self seeking sinner. But That’s ok for you and your corrupt little circle But just don’t let a queer near me, Hypocrites You would have hated Jesus.
Former gay, Becket Cook says "NO!" It's hypocrisy to say you don't affirm the lifestyle and then attend a gay wedding. It's better to stand your ground and endure persecution for the gospel's sake. I think we're called to save souls, not face. These tests are upon us to see if we're going to wimp out or push back in Jesus' name.
Thank you and God bless. I wouldn't let my two-year-old run out in the busy street after her soccer ball because she'll be mad at me if I don't. People don't like being told they're wrong because deep down, they're afraid they are. It's why we're a threat.@@patriciaalber367
The fear of man bringeth a snare...Proverbs 29:25a I remember a lesson on Saul from a Bible teacher named Ralph Alexander, who noted that one of the characteristics that marked Saul as not being a man after God's heart was that instead of obeying God and destroying the Amalekites in I Samuel 15, he saved the king and the best of the animals, thus finding something good in that which God had condemned and marked for destruction. Alister Begg's advice amounts to the same thing.
I'm sad and pained by and for the scotsman, my kin. May the Lord humble him and return him back to the path os sanctification. May he not go the way of other appstate tasing the goodness of heaven gor a while and then falling off. Lord, pls bring him back😢
A wedding is more than a social contract. It is a sacrament. It’s part of a divine purpose. When a sacrament is backwards or evil we must not participate in it even as tacit witnesses.
Marriage is not a social invention of man codified in law but it also isn't a sacrament. Marriage is a covenantal ordinance instituted by God. Westminster Larger Catechism Q. 162. What is a Sacrament? A. A Sacrament is an holy ordinance instituted by Christ in his Church, to signify, seal, and exhibit unto those that are within the covenant of grace, the benefits of his mediation; to strengthen and increase their faith, and all other graces; to oblige them to obedience; to testify and cherish their love and communion one with another; and to distinguish them from those that are without. Gen. 17:7, 10; Ex. 12:1-51; Matt. 28:19; Matt. 26:26-28; Rom. 4:11; 1 Cor. 11:24-25; Rom. 15:8; Ex. 12:48; Acts 2:38; 1 Cor. 10:16; Rom. 4:11; Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:3-4; 1 Cor. 10:21; Eph. 4:2-5; 1 Cor. 12:13; Eph. 2:11; Gen. 34:14. Q. 164. How many Sacraments hath Christ instituted in his Church under the New Testament? A. Under the New Testament Christ hath instituted in his Church only two Sacraments, Baptism and the Lord’s Supper. Matt. 28:19; 1 Cor. 11:20, 23; Matt. 26:26-28.
I respect both these men highly. Alistair didn’t give the answer I expected, but I understand his point of view. Voddie gave what I expected of him. I get where they’re both coming from, and thank God, I’m not in that situation because I wouldn’t know what to do. However, I definitely draw the line at a pastor presiding over such a “ceremony.”
Jesus would not have attended, officiated, nor approved of a gay wedding at Cana of Galilee (John 2:1-11). There's simply no discussion for the true believer
Thank you for your post. Respectfully I must disagree. I have listened to Alistar Begg and Truth For Life for 20 years. I feel Pastor Beggs statement is wrong and unbiblical. Condoning sin, celebrating sin is not loving, it does not build bridges. Why because it's the wide road to destruction And the LGBTQ A+ movement wants to add pedophiles to the list. This group will push to accept pedophilia. it's a very dangerous very slippery soap. And it's been going downhill since the 1960s. Watch Matt Walsh regarding trans surgeries on children and young adults. it's vile, it's disgusting it's pure evil. The trans ideology seeks to destroy children, boys and girls marriage and families. That community doesn't want acceptance it wants you to fully support it and celebrate it. Pastor Begg is a worldwide leader in the conservative evangelical church. He is seen and heard worldwide online and on the radio. His words are a tacit/ defacto approval of unbiblical trans marriage.
You do know what to do. The question is, do you have the courage to do it? Christ's word on this is clear: one man, one woman, for a lifetime. I pray you find the courage to stand firm on his word. The days are coming when not only LGBTQ+ wedding ceremonies, but other things will happen and we are being prepared to stand firm now. If we start caving in now, we'll never stand firm when the worst things comes.
It’s time you decide what you’ll do! It’s coming to every door! Everyone who follows Jesus will need to take a stand. Decide now while it may not be an issue with you, or you may cave like Begg did.
Any true Christian should know what they are supposed to do in a situation like that. It's not like God didn't provide an example in Christ on how that should be handled. This is an easy layup.
I lost a job, in part because I would not attend a meeting to align my chakra. The Lord blessed me with another job a few months later with double pay and benefits!
With much respect for your decades of preaching- I’m not prepared to “countenance” jumping off a cliff, Shepherd Begg, bc someone might suppose I don’t love them - unless I jump.
One thing I noticed was Begg asks the grandmother If she's told the grandson that because of her relationship with CHRIST she can't countenance the lifestyle in any affirming way, and then tells her that her absence will confirm that she is judgemental and is unable to countenance anything. 🤔
"Let no man pretend to fear sin that does not fear temptation also! These two are too closely united to be separated. He does not truly hate the fruit who delights in the root." -John Owen
Is that from Owen's Mortification of Sin? Owen is classic and a sound expositor of God's Word. He's one of the men of God throughout history that I read for wise counsel on God's Word, Will and Way.
@@margochanning6868 I think so. As I read through different authors books, I sometimes save particular statements on my phone, to use for later. I'll have to check, but I believe you are correct.
Remember, Brother Alistair told one woman, who confessed Jesus as her Savior and acknowledged her grandson knew where she stood, to go to this celebration. By going she does not condone the lifestyle. Brother Alistar did not give an open invitation for Christians to attend gay weddings. I do have an observation, and that is Jesus ate with tax collectors (thieves in those days) and went to one of their houses to break bread together. The Pharisees rebuked Jesus. Are we like the Pharisees toward Brother Alistair? I ask this sincerely because I asked myself this very question. Anyone?
There are no grades of sin. None of us are walking a sinless life - thats why we had to have a saviour. His mercies are new everyday…why? Because our heavenly Father knows we need it! How can we be moved with compassion (like Jesus was) if we pick and choose who we show the love of God too. I think it’s always easy to be self righteous when we don’t agree with a certain sin - all I know to do is to try and live 1 Cor 13 to the best of my ability. God bless you 🌹
Attending a wedding is affirming of the union according to the Bible, regardless of whether God has blessed it or condemned it. Alistair Begg is in error, and needs to repent.
Jesus did not sit in the tax collectors booth to AFFIRM them stealing money. He ate with them at their houses ( I can only assume since I wasn't there) to tell them about their need of a savior. He was not affirming what they did as tax collectors. Going to a make believe wedding ("celebration" is what I think your post read) that is an abomination in the eyes of God is AFFIRMING it. The Pharisees hated Jesus because He was a threat to their power and control over people. I think the same can be said about homosexuals who view Jesus as a threat to their life style and power to control their own lives. Would THEY not be the Pharisees?!? Just sayin......
I agree with Voddie 100%. Also, look at it this way. If you are Christian how on earth COULD you be there and show happiness plus acceptance as the other person now being part of your family ? My heart would break. My tears would flow. My sadness would be very apparent. Best that I not inflict this on everyone. So, no attendance, no gift, and at holidays if they want to come stay overnight, agree BUT they MUST sleep in separate rooms. You will be polite, but you will not defile your Christian home.
Voddie is right. I think showing love and showing approval can easily get blurred. If it were at all possible, i would show love but not approval. In the end, attendance wouldn't communicate that feeling. Even though i would not attend, my heart would ache. Sometimes it has to be tough love.
“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work. (2 John 2:10-11)” You could rightly apply it this way. If you (Christian) go to anyone who does not obey this teaching (Scripture) and are welcomed into their domain of influence, you may actually be embracing their wicked work.
What happens if the gay/ trans couple go on to get converted, due to you praying for them, then they turn to you and ask why you attended their wedding, which affirmed it all to them, and led them further into a path of sin?
Voddie is correct. It is a test for us. It’s a pass/fail test because God doesn’t grade on a curve. Alistair has failed. What’s worse is that it was a calculated, premeditated fail. The Parkside Church elder board needs to exercise discernment and hold Alistair biblically accountable. For some reason I’m having difficulty believing they will do that. Some elder boards are rife with “yes” men. At the moment my disappointment with Alistair would Countenance his retirement with a gift.
@@tonyfair487 Alright. So I can respect (or at least acknowledge) the opinions of others. Can you explain, biblically, why it is not even close in your estimation?
I went to one for a sibling. I even believed in the whole gay marraige rights thing. But as a lot of them started demanding more and more and more, I started distancing myself from it all and stopped supporting it. I Just hope people will get one more chance to repent before it's too late. Maybe as more and more undeniable signs of the return of Christ start happening. We all have desires to sin one way or another, and I hope those of us capable of repentance and change will do so soon.
I too side with Voddie, especially when he states that it is a "theological test". Alistair should have responded with, "I'm sorry but I cannot attend even though you are my son,... I cannot love you more than I do God our Father. So if I were to agree and attend because I love YOU, my son... then that would mean that I do not love our Father God FIRST!" Matthew 10:37 NIV “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." 1 Timothy 5:22 NLT "Do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure." My Pastor always used to say, "One man's sin is another man's conviction."
I don't agree with all of Voddie's teaching but I do on this matter. It is more loving to take a stand than to give in to the world's/man's ways. Jesus didn't pursue everyone who was rejecting Him, He let them come to Him. We have the truth to offer. If they continue to reject it and live according to the world all you can do is pray. Going along to get along won't cause any change in a sinful person.
Three weeks ago I submitted a comment about our daughter in Seattle. Valentine's Day has passed and I had another opportunity to affirm my love for her. My love for her has not changed since she made the decision with her partner and I used Valentine's Day to demonstrate my love. She responded positively to my gesture of love.
Alistair need to study the Greek in Philippians 2:12 “katergazomai“ it means to work, it doesn’t mean it how he uses it whatsoever. It literally means to perform your salvation with fear and trambling… not doing however you see fit for yourself.
I hope he does. I hope he reads Mr. Gagnon's well written response, grasps what the problem is, and recants. As of ytd he seems to have doubled down and ended up losing his AFR radio spot- they booted him.
Voddie is absolutely correct. Alistair is correct in wanting to demonstrate love. Likewise, I agree that attending and bringing a present is stepping too far. The grandmother, knowing that her grandson knows her faith and position, should explain that she still loves him and wants to continue a relationship with him, but simply cannot attend because of the seriousness of a marriage. The other thing all Christians that say they stand with Voddie must examine - do you attend weddings of couples that have a child together? Are you asking each couple that invites you to attend their wedding if they participate in any pre-marital activity that is not in line with biblical instruction? Do you attend the wedding of a "Christian" couple that is already living together? Do we attend the weddings of unbelievers who use a church for the venue and a pastor for the ceremony? All of those fall into the this discussion. To refrain from attending any in that category and attending another is hypocritical. I agree we should not knowingly support any abomination of the marriage model that God created between one man and one woman. However, must we confirm with every couple that invites us to their wedding if they are walking with the Lord in a manner that is biblical? If not, must we refuse to attend the wedding?
@matthamilton8479 I see your reasoning but it is faulty. If a man and woman are living together, have a child together or otherwise committing fornication, they are amending the situation by getting married and staying faithful to one another. Even the book of Corinthians says it is better to marry than burn with lust and two should marry to avoid sexual immorality. But, for two people of the same gender, marriage does not ammend the situation, it continues the sin. The only comparable situation I can see that I'd agree with your logic is with those who commit adultery and divorce/remarry being grounds for not attending the wedding.
@@Jesussavioursonofgod excellent reply. I see your point, and agree that the examples where the marriage ends the sinful activity (aside from adultery). I think you see the point I was making. We have a tendency as Christians who desire to follow and be as Christ-like as we can to go to extremes quickly.
He has time and space yet to repent. People would think even more highly of him then than they do now. I have listened to him for years and greatly benefitted. I am now deeply saddened by his glaring error which may end his ministry and usefulness.
The reason not to go is because it will be seen as affirming the wedding to anyone who doesn’t know otherwise. If everyone present knows that you don’t affirm the wedding, and that you’re there because the person knew your views and still wanted you there, I think that would be ok. But I’m not sure how likely it is that the person would know that you condemn the wedding, but still want you there, and be willing to acknowledge your disapproval before all the other guests.
"Let God be true and every man a liar." I would not be in attendance at this wedding, or any of this nature. The message I would like to send is I don't endorse this union. I pray he repents from this statement.
If my one of my children had done same sex marriage I wouldn’t attend because my allegiance is to God. I would still love them and they would understand why I am not there because they already know my allegiance is to God. It just like when I told them don’t break the law because I am not bailing you out, getting a lawyer etc. if you are guilty don’t bother to come home because I will turn you in to the police.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Leviticus 22:18. Well, now I've detransitioned after 4 years of this deception and glad! It's thanks to Jesus I'm free of it! My 3rd latest v ideo explain more.
Far too many Christians bend, back down, retreat, shut up, and cower when the judgement card is played. Jesus did not teach that we should not judge. H e taught to not be hypocrites like the Pharisees.
I love this quote. I've been spreading it around ever since I heard what Alastair has been saying. This is from Oscar Wilde, and his novel-'The Picture Of Dorian Gray'-where one of the characters says (Lord Henry, if I remember correctly): "Divorces are made in heaven". Just a few years later, Oscar renounced homosexuality shortly before he died. About 30-odd years later, Fred Astaire and Ginger Rodgers appeared in 'The Gay Divorcee', followed by their appearance in 'Top Hat' which featured the Irving Berlin tune-'Cheek To Cheek'. "I'm in heaven, I'm in heaven...". I beg to differ, Mr. Alastair: True Christians should not attend 'gay marriages', but perhaps we should attend 'gay divorces' to express God's forgiveness towards those who change their minds and repent of their sins. Amen.
Actually, I have to agree with Alister Begg, the grandmother should have gone to that wedding........ and she should have stood up when the call "does anyone object?" And she should have told them to repent of this abomination of marriage and believe in Christ, then walk out. But that's too much like Jesus, so we all know that's not "palatable" in our modern culture of folks walking their way into the slaughterhouse.
That's assuming she'd be given the chance to do so. The person officiating the "wedding" may choose not to give anyone that chance. It's best not to take that risk.
I will prefer the applause of me, so they wont see me as judgmental or critical??? We have to love God more than men, more than beloved family members.
alistair said true when he said its a fine line. the truth on one side, lie on the other. we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. we would not be affirming hate if we dont go, we would be affirming that its ok with the grandson if we do go. Lord help us to do what is right in the eyes of God. we ALL fall short of the glory of God.
Given the statusquo the question is fair. But I think it should be answer personally. It is good to listen to the opinions of others but recognize the responsibility we all have as individual beings to take a stand by ourselves. We are all in the process of learning and our dessions today can change tomorrow in the light of more and better understanding. Never the less I suggest to be clear from the very start were we stand in relation to this issue so that we may give the best answer when such an invitation comes to us. Personally I agree that in general going to this kind of wedding means supporting such a practice.
Yes, I don't think it is as simple as it first appears. What principle do we apply in this case? If the gay couple were professing believers, then there would be no arguement. But seeing that they are not, does 1 Cor 5:12 apply? Verses 9 - 11, 'I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.' Contrasted with eating meat which was offered to idols. Paul explaining that its okay because WE know that idols are nothing. But that those who see you eat meat offered to idols will be led astray by thinking you approve of idols. So, perhaps AB and VB are looking at two different principles. I think, my opinion only, Voddie is looking at the correct principle. However, the woman hasn't sinned if she attends the wedding because she would have done it from/in faith. Cheers
Begg is my county near Cleveland. Yesterday my pastor brought up to think about it now so when it happens to you, you will know how to respond. It already happened to me and we refused to go and we were cancelled by my family. God was very happy with our decision.
Luke 9:26 For whoever is ashamed of Me *and My words*, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
A baby shower is not a covenant unlike marriage, it does not go against God's will. Though the wedlock is, so if you intend to go then you must minister to the couple about marriage. otherwise don't come.
She is a horrible person! Because Alistair told her to spread love instead of hate she hang his name on the bell instead of her own hate! Sies!! Shame on her! Glad she is not my grandmother! Straight or not! I am a grandmother of four and love each of my grandchildren as I love my own life! And NEVER cut any ones anchor from GOD OR FROM ME!
@@lindaholtzhausen1539 Alistair essentially told her to spread affirmation, which in this case is hate, NOT love. It is hate for the word of God, and it is not loving to approve of their stumbling to destruction. as for you, it sounds like you have chosen love of the world over love of your Creator, an idolatrous love of your grandchildren over the love of the One who created them and you yourself. God's love is sacrificial, and if you were to exhibit that, you would sacrifice being in your grandkids' good favor to give them truth, not affirmation. you would model Christ, who ate with sinners to give them God's word, NOT to participate in their sin or even to celebrate with them in their sin, as would be in this case of a wedding. so have a meal with them, give them the Gospel, and then bow out, not being a party to their ceremony and celebration of sin. THAT is showing love. to do anything less is to show hatred for those grandkids, and hatred for the word of God, and they WILL see that in you. they will see YOUR HYPOCRICY! they will think you are hateful (to their definition) by first believing the scriptures, but that maybe you are getting better (also by their definition) as you lean away from the God of the scriptures and show favor to their sinful ways. they will see that your 'god' has no power and no salvation, as you have not shown Him to them. but know that you can NEVER cut anyone's anchor to God. you have no power to save, and likewise you have no power to cut away. all who the Father gives the Son will not be snatched from His hand.
She never said anything. He told the story in his new book he's peddling. Maybe know what your talking about before you spew. You need to love God more than your life or your grandkids.@@lindaholtzhausen1539
Very Sad, " Alistair is being like a politician looking for more votes" Not the way to do it! God Bless, Voddie, All we can do is pray for him to Recant and Repent.
Would Alistair advise Jesus to go to the wedding, keep silent and smile, and bring a gift? Pastor Begg would not! Let's pray for this dear Christian brother to hear the clear voice of His beloved God in this.
Alastair’s logic: Shadrach meshak and abednego….. no king Neb, we don’t agree with your golden statue and we only worship the one true God, but as long as you know this truth, we will bow down and worship your statue.
I'm more concerned with my stance before God than my stance before sinners.
As we should be.
" Be diligent to present yourself approved TO GOD..." 2 timothy 2:15
@@robertdesantis6205 who are you talking to, friend? Nobody here said such a thing.
Jesus said that he would turn even families against each other. We must stand for truth. I'm with Voddie as hard as it might be to face it potentially myself one day.
Right. If Jesus didn't mean things exactly like this, I'm not sure what He did mean.
Voddie is right. We adopted 8 kids from backgrounds of abuse. The 2nd and 8th “ married” same sex. We attended neither. Our youngest son committed adultery, the after she divorced her husband, she married our son. We did not attend their wedding either. We did not hate or mistreat any of them, but homosexuality and adultery are both condemned in scriptures. We worked hard to show kindness and compassion, but not approval. Never saw repentance in any of them. We got called unloving, judgmental, legalist.
First person that I have seen agree with me about an adulterous marriage. GBY
Quote: _"We worked hard to show kindness and compassion, but not approval."_
I agree, that's the proper approach.
The unsaved people in our families still love us even though they dismiss our beliefs. I'm a firm believer in the rapture and I believe the disappearance of the Church, and I think babies and young children, will shock our family members back to the reality of what we told them about the Bible.
The scriptures say the sun orbits the earth so the scriptures can be wrong so you are prepared to alienate people you claim to love over this book.
At least you are consistent.
My frustration is with Christians who are so mean to gay people (who didn't choose to be gay!), but then are completely tolerant of third, fourth, fifth marriages....
...we have so many Christian leaders here in the US holding Trump up as a paragon of family values, yet he destroyed his first two marriages with adultery and has just been fined for rape.
It says that in the same way we say "the sun rises" Of course the sun doesn't rise! Don't use something so trivial to discard the Bible. If a Christian is wrong, where the Bible isn't true and Jesus is not Lord--they loose NOTHING. If you are wrong where the Bible IS true and Jesus IS Lord= you loose EVERYTHING! Take some time to really read it before you discard it. C.S. Lewis said " we are not humans having a spiritual experience but rather spiritual beings having a human experience" Eternity is too long of a gamble of your soul.@@truthgiver8286
We faced this very situation last year with our daughter. We gave her an RSVP by flying from GA to Seattle to meet her partner and tell our daughter in person we could not attend. I told her, "We would not be honoring God or honoring her by attending the ceremony and our desire is to honor both God and yourself." My last statement was, "We love you and our love for you has not/will not change because you are the daughter that God has blessed us with." She understood our stand and our love for her.
I'm sorry to hear this David. You guys handled it perfectly, great advice for others in your shoes.
You did the right thing and God will always honor and bless doing the right thing.
You handled it well.
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
@@ddrse no you can't. You could be if you are battling the temptation maybe if knowing that it is sin, but if you believe that it isn't sin then that's a different gospel.
You can still love them without affirming their choice.
I love you, but don't affirm this bad choice of how you believe. Brother, I'm giving you truth in love.
You cannot prove your love to them by avoiding them.
@@evetsegap That's true and it was the grandson who affirmed the grandmother's relationship with Jesus and her stance regarding this situation. With this knowledge, it was advised that she go. A very personal reply to one person - not a blanket statement.
Once the grandma tells the grandson that she cannot affirm the wedding (as Alistair said in first part of his answer), I think the most diplomatic way is to continue that she can not attend the wedding (to affirm it) without compromising her faith and integrity.
No such thing as a same sex wedding.
I side with Voddie Baucham. There's a point in the wedding where the priest says "Should anyone present know of any reason that this couple should not be joined in holy matrimony, speak now or forever hold your peace" If you say nothing, then you approve of the marriage. So unless you're going to object, it's best NOT to attend a gay or transgender "wedding."
We must obey God rather than man.
Very well said!!!!!
Or attend and testify lol
Not to disagree with your point but I have not heard that "forever hold your peace" at any Christian wedding, just in the movies.
Does the same apply to a “normal” wedding, where two people being married are not Christian?
@@broadwayFan28exactly 😅 good point
The statement I agree with from Pastor Begg is to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling." But as Pastor Baucham gave his advice, I couldn't help but hear the words of Christ, "I didn't come to bring peace, but a sword." I totally agree with walking in love. Sometimes it's gotta be tough love.
2 Cor 6:17 come out from among them; touch not the unclean thing...Rev. 18:4 do NOT take part in her sins and share in her punishment....(re Babylon)...
I absolutely cannot believe this needs to be debated among Christians. Never condone sin. That is not being loving. That is being selfish because you don’t want to lose someone you love.
Nailed it.
Love does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth.
There is no hate like Christian love.
When we live in a world that gets the two completely backwards, then actual love looks like hate. Only to the one with a deluded mind.@@glenjohnson5323
We're living in a post-truth world. Traditional Christianity has never really been zealous for the truth, but it has become increasingly more apathetic about it over the past few decades. It's gotten to the point where the average mainstream church pastor sounds more like Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama than God.
So many "Christians" today have watered down the truth of God's Word and have compromised with the world. When you attend things like this you are putting your seal of approval on it. We need to be like Peter and John who said We must obey God rather than man.
When you go to any wedding you are a consenting witness. A true Christ-follower cannot consent to something that is abhorrent to Him
Alastair made it clear that he knew she did not condone his action. This tva gay marriage.
@@DonMaeWenger Going to a wedding is not just simply having a meal with a sinner. It is partaking in their sin. A wedding is a covenant and the guests are supportive witnesses.
You consent to posting videos on a platform that openly supports gay marriage for its employees all while posting from a phone or computer that was most likely made by slave labor to some degree.
Are you affirming RUclips’s stance by posting on their platform? Or are you using it to spread the word of God despite it not being wholly good?
@@monocrum Terrible analogy. You are comparing apples to oranges. A marriage ceremony is not a communication format. God designed marriage to be between a man and a woman. Period. Anything other than that is a mockery of what God has called good. I'm saddened that anyone that reads their Bible can't grasp this reality.
That being said, there are many other ways to show love to those that are lost. Compromising God's precepts and laws is not the answer.
@@monocrumyour points fall flat. Christians have always used materials and items made by worldly people
Voddie Baucham 100%
Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
Exactly! Jesus came to separate, not unite. It may sound unloving but he came to separate the saved from the unsaved, the ones belong to him from the ones belong to the devil.
Voddie got it right! Alistair needs to recant and correct himself!
This is so painful…I am leaning toward Alistair’s position. I’mi in a situation right now about attending a catholic ceremony….
What does the Bible say? Read Roman's 1
Sadly he doubled down on his statement. This proves that NO MAN is perfect in their doctrine and understanding of God’s word!
@@leebrown1803 Good thing we're not saved by perfect doctrine or law keeping or even good/bad works. Salvation is by God's grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ's everlasting bloodshed atonement for ALL of our sins, alone. Sealed by the Holy Spirit for eternity.
@@charq52A Catholic wedding that is between a man and woman is not a celebration of sin. God ordained marriage to be between one man and one woman. Even if the man and woman marrying do not believe in God, they are still marrying according to how God ordained marriage to be. That is, one man and one woman. A gay wedding, however, is a celebration of sin, something that is immoral and unnatural according to God.
hi from Latvia.I stand by Voddie Baucham
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I have homosexual family and have witnessed to them. I've also distanced myself from them and would never go to their lustful feast that I won't call wedding.
I've also lost a close friend of 15 years who "came out" as homosexual. We have to hold to the truth and not budge, no matter what!
So you don't believe your friend?
When you are at Jesus presence at the Bema seat, you will for sure be glad you did what you had to for the sake of your faith in Him.
I was soooooooooo devastated when I heard Allistair Begg say this.
Me too. It’s been bothering me ever since. I have this out in my stomach that I can’t shake. My youngest sons name is Alistair.
@@kerinac1909 Put your trust in Jesus Christ alone. Alistair is just another sinful, imperfect man like the rest of us.
He should be as well
Me too. My 12 year old daughter is reading a devotional by him 😢
I was dumbfounded. He's been a rock solid teacher for decades. I don't understand the doubling down on it either.
With gay and trans weddings now commonplace, the church will have to respond biblically! While we love the sinner, we cannot compromise our stance! Attending a gay wedding would be complicit of such a practice. It would send a congratulatory message of blessing to a union that is not approved by God!
The reason we have always been persecuted is because we call attention to someone's sin...albeit in a loving manner. Stand firm. Love them by not attending and making them see the difference between a sin life and a redeemed life.
“Better is open rebuke than hidden love”
Part of being a true Christian is that you stand firm with Christ no matter what. I wouldn't go nor send a gift.
And yet only God can judge. We are all sinners and all sin is the same. We must love everyone.
@@hankaaron3942Righteously pointing out a brother’s sin is love. Affirming him in his sin is hate.
@@3PeninsulasOutdoors well, you are also a sinner, should they point out all your sin? I’m pretty sure leaving the judging to God is best, being loving and spreading his teachings is always the best course of action.
@@hankaaron3942 I am absolutely a sinner. Saved only by grace. And I would absolutely hope that if there was an area of open unrepentant sin in my life, the Christians around me would point it out in love, just as Matthew 18 requires, instead of hatefully letting me go on like that. 💯 If not I’m around the wrong people. Also, I never said anything about judgement, but there is nothing wrong with righteous judgment. God will absolutely judge everyone in the end, and I’m glad to leave that to him.
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
being accepting of something that is not a wedding or marriage is a slippert slope. We do not & should not support anything outside of Gods ordained scriptures. God ordained marriage between a man & a woman ..PERIOD! It is not being critical or judgmental it’s telling the truth. If pastors are going 2 cave on this what else will they cave & accept that is not biblical… I might be wrong but I think Alister Begg just opened a door that should have remained closed. I totally agree w/ Voddie & John Piper ✝️🙌🙏
Voddie got it from, Alistair messed up and he is prideful that he doubled down on this messed. We should all pray for him
It's sad and very disappointing, thought/ hoped for sure that he'd not double-down and repent.
Remember that when the World accuses you of being "judgmental," APPROVAL is also a judgment. Don't fall for the World's twisting of language.
So true! We are not to condone sin.
This.
You think that this is an easy answer until you are in that situation. Then... it still is an easy answer. It just hurts.
Unless you're going to that wedding to openly protest the abomination that it is, your attendance will be seen as affirming it. Voddie is correct.
i don't think going to a ceremony to disrupt it is anything but a very bad idea.
No. Absolutely no way the Bible would allow me to support a sinful union. HATE SIN
its a funeral not a wedding.
@@WrathandGrace Thats right. Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor MEN WHO PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY, will inherit the kingdom of God!!
1 Cor 6:9-10
If your married , you purposely married a lying, deceptive , self seeking sinner.
But
That’s ok for you and your corrupt little circle
But just don’t let a queer near me,
Hypocrites
You would have hated Jesus.
also thieves, adulterers and many more who don't follow teachings of Christ and his sacrifice for our sins.
Former gay, Becket Cook says "NO!" It's hypocrisy to say you don't affirm the lifestyle and then attend a gay wedding. It's better to stand your ground and endure persecution for the gospel's sake. I think we're called to save souls, not face. These tests are upon us to see if we're going to wimp out or push back in Jesus' name.
Well said...Bugsy
Agreed! It's Becket not Bennet
I like the way you stated that: we are called to save souls, not face
Thank you and God bless. I wouldn't let my two-year-old run out in the busy street after her soccer ball because she'll be mad at me if I don't. People don't like being told they're wrong because deep down, they're afraid they are. It's why we're a threat.@@patriciaalber367
Everyone present is an affirmative witness to the union. Attendance is your Amen.
Excellent point!!!
The fear of man bringeth a snare...Proverbs 29:25a I remember a lesson on Saul from a Bible teacher named Ralph Alexander, who noted that one of the characteristics that marked Saul as not being a man after God's heart was that instead of obeying God and destroying the Amalekites in I Samuel 15, he saved the king and the best of the animals, thus finding something good in that which God had condemned and marked for destruction. Alister Begg's advice amounts to the same thing.
I'm sad and pained by and for the scotsman, my kin. May the Lord humble him and return him back to the path os sanctification. May he not go the way of other appstate tasing the goodness of heaven gor a while and then falling off. Lord, pls bring him back😢
A wedding is more than a social contract. It is a sacrament. It’s part of a divine purpose. When a sacrament is backwards or evil we must not participate in it even as tacit witnesses.
Marriage is not a social invention of man codified in law but it also isn't a sacrament. Marriage is a covenantal ordinance instituted by God.
Westminster Larger Catechism
Q. 162. What is a Sacrament?
A. A Sacrament is an holy ordinance instituted by Christ in his Church, to signify, seal, and exhibit unto those that are within the covenant of grace, the benefits of his mediation; to strengthen and increase their faith, and all other graces; to oblige them to obedience; to testify and cherish their love and communion one with another; and to distinguish them from those that are without.
Gen. 17:7, 10; Ex. 12:1-51; Matt. 28:19; Matt. 26:26-28; Rom. 4:11; 1 Cor. 11:24-25; Rom. 15:8; Ex. 12:48; Acts 2:38; 1 Cor. 10:16; Rom. 4:11; Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:3-4; 1 Cor. 10:21; Eph. 4:2-5; 1 Cor. 12:13; Eph. 2:11; Gen. 34:14.
Q. 164. How many Sacraments hath Christ instituted in his Church under the New Testament?
A. Under the New Testament Christ hath instituted in his Church only two Sacraments, Baptism and the Lord’s Supper.
Matt. 28:19; 1 Cor. 11:20, 23; Matt. 26:26-28.
Ephesians 5:11 ESV - Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
If you disapprove don't attend....you are saying you approve by attending
I respect both these men highly. Alistair didn’t give the answer I expected, but I understand his point of view. Voddie gave what I expected of him. I get where they’re both coming from, and thank God, I’m not in that situation because I wouldn’t know what to do. However, I definitely draw the line at a pastor presiding over such a “ceremony.”
Jesus would not have attended, officiated, nor approved of a gay wedding at Cana of Galilee (John 2:1-11). There's simply no discussion for the true believer
Thank you for your post. Respectfully I must disagree. I have listened to Alistar Begg and Truth For Life for 20 years. I feel Pastor Beggs statement is wrong and unbiblical. Condoning sin, celebrating sin is not loving, it does not build bridges. Why because it's the wide road to destruction And the LGBTQ A+ movement wants to add pedophiles to the list. This group will push to accept pedophilia. it's a very dangerous very slippery soap. And it's been going downhill since the 1960s. Watch Matt Walsh regarding trans surgeries on children and young adults. it's vile, it's disgusting it's pure evil. The trans ideology seeks to destroy children, boys and girls marriage and families. That community doesn't want acceptance it wants you to fully support it and celebrate it. Pastor Begg is a worldwide leader in the conservative evangelical church. He is seen and heard worldwide online and on the radio. His words are a tacit/ defacto approval of unbiblical trans marriage.
You do know what to do. The question is, do you have the courage to do it?
Christ's word on this is clear: one man, one woman, for a lifetime. I pray you find the courage to stand firm on his word. The days are coming when not only LGBTQ+ wedding ceremonies, but other things will happen and we are being prepared to stand firm now. If we start caving in now, we'll never stand firm when the worst things comes.
It’s time you decide what you’ll do! It’s coming to every door! Everyone who follows Jesus will need to take a stand. Decide now while it may not be an issue with you, or you may cave like Begg did.
Any true Christian should know what they are supposed to do in a situation like that. It's not like God didn't provide an example in Christ on how that should be handled. This is an easy layup.
Voddie…..speaks the truth , even if not what one wants to hear. He follows Gods word , not the Ways of this world🙏
I lost a job, in part because I would not attend a meeting to align my chakra. The Lord blessed me with another job a few months later with double pay and benefits!
With much respect for your decades of preaching-
I’m not prepared to “countenance” jumping off a cliff, Shepherd Begg, bc someone might suppose I don’t love them - unless I jump.
One thing I noticed was Begg asks the grandmother If she's told the grandson that because of her relationship with CHRIST she can't countenance the lifestyle in any affirming way, and then tells her that her absence will confirm that she is judgemental and is unable to countenance anything. 🤔
"Let no man pretend to fear sin that does not fear temptation also! These two are too closely united to be separated. He does not truly hate the fruit who delights in the root."
-John Owen
Is that from Owen's Mortification of Sin? Owen is classic and a sound expositor of God's Word. He's one of the men of God throughout history that I read for wise counsel on God's Word, Will and Way.
@@margochanning6868 I think so. As I read through different authors books, I sometimes save particular statements on my phone, to use for later.
I'll have to check, but I believe you are correct.
Remember, Brother Alistair told one woman, who confessed Jesus as her Savior and acknowledged her grandson knew where she stood, to go to this celebration. By going she does not condone the lifestyle. Brother Alistar did not give an open invitation for Christians to attend gay weddings.
I do have an observation, and that is Jesus ate with tax collectors (thieves in those days) and went to one of their houses to break bread together. The Pharisees rebuked Jesus. Are we like the Pharisees toward Brother Alistair? I ask this sincerely because I asked myself this very question. Anyone?
There are no grades of sin. None of us are walking a sinless life - thats why we had to have a saviour. His mercies are new everyday…why? Because our heavenly Father knows we need it! How can we be moved with compassion (like Jesus was) if we pick and choose who we show the love of God too. I think it’s always easy to be self righteous when we don’t agree with a certain sin - all I know to do is to try and live 1 Cor 13 to the best of my ability. God bless you 🌹
Attending a wedding is affirming of the union according to the Bible, regardless of whether God has blessed it or condemned it. Alistair Begg is in error, and needs to repent.
What scripture are you thinking about.
Jesus did not sit in the tax collectors booth to AFFIRM them stealing money. He ate with them at their houses ( I can only assume since I wasn't there) to tell them about their need of a savior. He was not affirming what they did as tax collectors. Going to a make believe wedding ("celebration" is what I think your post read) that is an abomination in the eyes of God is AFFIRMING it. The Pharisees hated Jesus because He was a threat to their power and control over people. I think the same can be said about homosexuals who view Jesus as a threat to their life style and power to control their own lives. Would THEY not be the Pharisees?!? Just sayin......
When you attend a wedding you go as a witness in agreement with the union. God's union is between 1 man and 1 woman.
Marriage is too precious to debase.
I agree with Voddie 100%. Also, look at it this way. If you are Christian how on earth COULD you be there and show happiness plus acceptance as the other person now being part of your family ? My heart would break. My tears would flow. My sadness would be very apparent. Best that I not inflict this on everyone. So, no attendance, no gift, and at holidays if they want to come stay overnight, agree BUT they MUST sleep in separate rooms. You will be polite, but you will not defile your Christian home.
Voddie is right. I think showing love and showing approval can easily get blurred. If it were at all possible, i would show love but not approval. In the end, attendance wouldn't communicate that feeling. Even though i would not attend, my heart would ache. Sometimes it has to be tough love.
Love DOES NOT mean approval. The LGBTQ society wants the love from Christian society because they believe that love = approval😮
Whoever love mother, or brothers and sisters more than ME is not worthy of ME. -JESUS
Ephesians 5 v 11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them" . The Bible speaks for itself.
You reprove them by not attending. Good point.
“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work. (2 John 2:10-11)” You could rightly apply it this way. If you (Christian) go to anyone who does not obey this teaching (Scripture) and are welcomed into their domain of influence, you may actually be embracing their wicked work.
What happens if the gay/ trans couple go on to get converted, due to you praying for them, then they turn to you and ask why you attended their wedding, which affirmed it all to them, and led them further into a path of sin?
Do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? So whoever wants to be the world's friend becomes God's enemy. James 4:4
Very good point
The Word of God is perfect and eternal. The Word of God is clear.
@@margochanning6868 In what way is the god’s word clear and perfect?
Voddie is correct. It is a test for us. It’s a pass/fail test because God doesn’t grade on a curve. Alistair has failed. What’s worse is that it was a calculated, premeditated fail. The Parkside Church elder board needs to exercise discernment and hold Alistair biblically accountable. For some reason I’m having difficulty believing they will do that. Some elder boards are rife with “yes” men. At the moment my disappointment with Alistair would Countenance his retirement with a gift.
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Voddie is telling the truth!
Jesus said it would happen - we have to stand firm on the Word of God
I’m with Voddie 💯.
By Begg’s rationale, that’s like saying “Well! I’m pro life, but I only gave the Planned Parenthood employee a ride to work!” 🤷♂️
Not even close in my estimation.
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Alright. So I can respect (or at least acknowledge) the opinions of others.
Can you explain, biblically, why it is not even close in your estimation?
I love my family, and my father was an alcoholic. As an adult, I never bought my dad a drink, but I loved him dearly.
I went to one for a sibling. I even believed in the whole gay marraige rights thing. But as a lot of them started demanding more and more and more, I started distancing myself from it all and stopped supporting it. I Just hope people will get one more chance to repent before it's too late. Maybe as more and more undeniable signs of the return of Christ start happening. We all have desires to sin one way or another, and I hope those of us capable of repentance and change will do so soon.
if you are a christian they WHY did u believe in the whole gaye marriage thing? DONT you know what the BIble says in 1 Cor 6:9 etc?
Ephesians 5 answers this whole debate unequivocally and comprehensively. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
I too side with Voddie, especially when he states that it is a "theological test". Alistair should have responded with, "I'm sorry but I cannot attend even though you are my son,... I cannot love you more than I do God our Father. So if I were to agree and attend because I love YOU, my son... then that would mean that I do not love our Father God FIRST!" Matthew 10:37 NIV “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." 1 Timothy 5:22 NLT "Do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure." My Pastor always used to say, "One man's sin is another man's conviction."
Matt 10:24
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
NO- end of discussion.
Attendance is a form of approval.
I don't agree with all of Voddie's teaching but I do on this matter. It is more loving to take a stand than to give in to the world's/man's ways. Jesus didn't pursue everyone who was rejecting Him, He let them come to Him. We have the truth to offer. If they continue to reject it and live according to the world all you can do is pray. Going along to get along won't cause any change in a sinful person.
Well said. I feel the same. Begg words sadden me but more it burdens Gods heart
Three weeks ago I submitted a comment about our daughter in Seattle. Valentine's Day has passed and I had another opportunity to affirm my love for her. My love for her has not changed since she made the decision with her partner and I used Valentine's Day to demonstrate my love. She responded positively to my gesture of love.
Alistair need to study the Greek in Philippians 2:12 “katergazomai“ it means to work, it doesn’t mean it how he uses it whatsoever. It literally means to perform your salvation with fear and trambling… not doing however you see fit for yourself.
Voddie all the way. Alistair needs to release a statement confessing his error in judgement, and ask for forgiveness.
I hope he does. I hope he reads Mr. Gagnon's well written response, grasps what the problem is, and recants. As of ytd he seems to have doubled down and ended up losing his AFR radio spot- they booted him.
I lost a daughter to the exact same scenario. I haven’t seen her in 6 years .
When you have to choose between your daughter or God, God wins. I'm sorry for your loss. You will be blessed even more for choosing God.
Continue to Pray that the chain of this abomination be BROKEN🙏💜
What exactly is keeping you from seeing your daughter?
Voddie is absolutely correct. Alistair is correct in wanting to demonstrate love. Likewise, I agree that attending and bringing a present is stepping too far. The grandmother, knowing that her grandson knows her faith and position, should explain that she still loves him and wants to continue a relationship with him, but simply cannot attend because of the seriousness of a marriage.
The other thing all Christians that say they stand with Voddie must examine - do you attend weddings of couples that have a child together? Are you asking each couple that invites you to attend their wedding if they participate in any pre-marital activity that is not in line with biblical instruction? Do you attend the wedding of a "Christian" couple that is already living together? Do we attend the weddings of unbelievers who use a church for the venue and a pastor for the ceremony?
All of those fall into the this discussion. To refrain from attending any in that category and attending another is hypocritical. I agree we should not knowingly support any abomination of the marriage model that God created between one man and one woman. However, must we confirm with every couple that invites us to their wedding if they are walking with the Lord in a manner that is biblical? If not, must we refuse to attend the wedding?
@matthamilton8479 I see your reasoning but it is faulty. If a man and woman are living together, have a child together or otherwise committing fornication, they are amending the situation by getting married and staying faithful to one another. Even the book of Corinthians says it is better to marry than burn with lust and two should marry to avoid sexual immorality. But, for two people of the same gender, marriage does not ammend the situation, it continues the sin. The only comparable situation I can see that I'd agree with your logic is with those who commit adultery and divorce/remarry being grounds for not attending the wedding.
@@Jesussavioursonofgod excellent reply. I see your point, and agree that the examples where the marriage ends the sinful activity (aside from adultery).
I think you see the point I was making. We have a tendency as Christians who desire to follow and be as Christ-like as we can to go to extremes quickly.
This is so sad for pastor Begg.
How a single wrong judgement and unhelpful advice can leave your lifetime ministerial reputation in shatters.😢
Yea well too bad!!! He's a wolf in sheeps clothing. Wake up!!!!
He has time and space yet to repent. People would think even more highly of him then than they do now. I have listened to him for years and greatly benefitted. I am now deeply saddened by his glaring error which may end his ministry and usefulness.
The reason not to go is because it will be seen as affirming the wedding to anyone who doesn’t know otherwise.
If everyone present knows that you don’t affirm the wedding, and that you’re there because the person knew your views and still wanted you there, I think that would be ok.
But I’m not sure how likely it is that the person would know that you condemn the wedding, but still want you there, and be willing to acknowledge your disapproval before all the other guests.
No we should not go.
This is a no brainer! The Bible, the Apostle Paul and Voddie Bacham! And of course, The Lord God Almighty!
Voddie is right!
"Let God be true and every man a liar." I would not be in attendance at this wedding, or any of this nature. The message I would like to send is I don't endorse this union.
I pray he repents from this statement.
Of course not, Paul's writings in the new testament say to abstain from all appearances of evil and evil is what that type of wedding is.
If my one of my children had done same sex marriage I wouldn’t attend because my allegiance is to God. I would still love them and they would understand why I am not there because they already know my allegiance is to God. It just like when I told them don’t break the law because I am not bailing you out, getting a lawyer etc. if you are guilty don’t bother to come home because I will turn you in to the police.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Leviticus 22:18. Well, now I've detransitioned after 4 years of this deception and glad! It's thanks to Jesus I'm free of it! My 3rd latest v ideo explain more.
Hallelujah!!! ❤️ 🙏🏻
PRAISE GOD for this!
AMEN!
@@WrathandGrace Amen, Jesus bless you ten-fold!
Far too many Christians bend, back down, retreat, shut up, and cower when the judgement card is played. Jesus did not teach that we should not judge. H e taught to not be hypocrites like the Pharisees.
I love this quote. I've been spreading it around ever since I heard what Alastair has been saying. This is from Oscar Wilde, and his novel-'The Picture Of Dorian Gray'-where one of the characters says (Lord Henry, if I remember correctly): "Divorces are made in heaven". Just a few years later, Oscar renounced homosexuality shortly before he died. About 30-odd years later, Fred Astaire and Ginger Rodgers appeared in 'The Gay Divorcee', followed by their appearance in 'Top Hat' which featured the Irving Berlin tune-'Cheek To Cheek'. "I'm in heaven, I'm in heaven...". I beg to differ, Mr. Alastair: True Christians should not attend 'gay marriages', but perhaps we should attend 'gay divorces' to express God's forgiveness towards those who change their minds and repent of their sins. Amen.
Voddie is a man of God that preaches the Bible truthfully. Hallelujah amen
Actually, I have to agree with Alister Begg, the grandmother should have gone to that wedding........
and she should have stood up when the call "does anyone object?"
And she should have told them to repent of this abomination of marriage and believe in Christ, then walk out.
But that's too much like Jesus, so we all know that's not "palatable" in our modern culture of folks walking their way into the slaughterhouse.
AMEN!!!🙏🏻🙌🏻👏🏻
That's assuming she'd be given the chance to do so. The person officiating the "wedding" may choose not to give anyone that chance.
It's best not to take that risk.
I will prefer the applause of me, so they wont see me as judgmental or critical??? We have to love God more than men, more than beloved family members.
alistair said true when he said its a fine line.
the truth on one side, lie on the other.
we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
we would not be affirming hate if we dont go,
we would be affirming that its ok with the grandson if we do go.
Lord help us to do what is right in the eyes of God.
we ALL fall short of the glory of God.
A Godly standard is the convicting attitude that needs to be established to set a precedent
Given the statusquo the question is fair. But I think it should be answer personally. It is good to listen to the opinions of others but recognize the responsibility we all have as individual beings to take a stand by ourselves. We are all in the process of learning and our dessions today can change tomorrow in the light of more and better understanding. Never the less I suggest to be clear from the very start were we stand in relation to this issue so that we may give the best answer when such an invitation comes to us. Personally I agree that in general going to this kind of wedding means supporting such a practice.
Yes, I don't think it is as simple as it first appears. What principle do we apply in this case? If the gay couple were professing believers, then there would be no arguement. But seeing that they are not, does 1 Cor 5:12 apply? Verses 9 - 11, 'I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.'
Contrasted with eating meat which was offered to idols. Paul explaining that its okay because WE know that idols are nothing. But that those who see you eat meat offered to idols will be led astray by thinking you approve of idols. So, perhaps AB and VB are looking at two different principles. I think, my opinion only, Voddie is looking at the correct principle. However, the woman hasn't sinned if she attends the wedding because she would have done it from/in faith. Cheers
Robert, I appreciate your attention to the whole Gospel.
God bless
Excellent.
We are all the grandma and it got us all off guard
Begg is my county near Cleveland. Yesterday my pastor brought up to think about it now so when it happens to you, you will know how to respond. It already happened to me and we refused to go and we were cancelled by my family. God was very happy with our decision.
Luke 9:26
For whoever is ashamed of Me *and My words*, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
Al is responsible & God holds pastors accountable for the flock, and what he teaches them. Repent now Al
To attend is to condone sin.
Mr. Voddie's the man! I love that guy.
Voddie is right! There's not even room for debate. What is Alister thinking???
Similar, but different case, does one attend the baby shower of a child conceived out of wedlock?
A baby shower is not a covenant unlike marriage, it does not go against God's will. Though the wedlock is, so if you intend to go then you must minister to the couple about marriage. otherwise don't come.
@@jlengete8929 There may be no couple.
A Christian shouldn't attend a baby shower in that situation for the same reason: it is a matter of tacitly giving approval to sin.
Voddie Baucham is absolutely right.
I believe the grandmother wasn't going to go anyway, but wanted confirmation. That is why she was shocked to hear AB say not only go but bring a gift!
She is a horrible person! Because Alistair told her to spread love instead of hate she hang his name on the bell instead of her own hate! Sies!! Shame on her! Glad she is not my grandmother! Straight or not! I am a grandmother of four and love each of my grandchildren as I love my own life! And NEVER cut any ones anchor from GOD OR FROM ME!
@@lindaholtzhausen1539 Alistair essentially told her to spread affirmation, which in this case is hate, NOT love. It is hate for the word of God, and it is not loving to approve of their stumbling to destruction.
as for you, it sounds like you have chosen love of the world over love of your Creator, an idolatrous love of your grandchildren over the love of the One who created them and you yourself. God's love is sacrificial, and if you were to exhibit that, you would sacrifice being in your grandkids' good favor to give them truth, not affirmation. you would model Christ, who ate with sinners to give them God's word, NOT to participate in their sin or even to celebrate with them in their sin, as would be in this case of a wedding. so have a meal with them, give them the Gospel, and then bow out, not being a party to their ceremony and celebration of sin. THAT is showing love.
to do anything less is to show hatred for those grandkids, and hatred for the word of God, and they WILL see that in you. they will see YOUR HYPOCRICY! they will think you are hateful (to their definition) by first believing the scriptures, but that maybe you are getting better (also by their definition) as you lean away from the God of the scriptures and show favor to their sinful ways. they will see that your 'god' has no power and no salvation, as you have not shown Him to them.
but know that you can NEVER cut anyone's anchor to God. you have no power to save, and likewise you have no power to cut away. all who the Father gives the Son will not be snatched from His hand.
How could you know if she wanted to go or not?
Voddie is correct scripturally.
She knew better and was led astray.
She never said anything. He told the story in his new book he's peddling. Maybe know what your talking about before you spew. You need to love God more than your life or your grandkids.@@lindaholtzhausen1539
It’s not a fine line at all. Its a clear red line made with blood and we are not to dance on that line or kick dirt on it by compromise.
Very Sad, " Alistair is being like a politician looking for more votes" Not the way to do it! God Bless, Voddie, All we can do is pray for him to Recant and Repent.
He Just came out with a new book that he's peddling through these recent interviews.
Those who endure to the end shall be saved. Voddie baucham will receive his reward in heaven
You're correct Begg...I don't like your answer.
Would Alistair advise Jesus to go to the wedding, keep silent and smile, and bring a gift? Pastor Begg would not! Let's pray for this dear Christian brother to hear the clear voice of His beloved God in this.
I still love beggs teaching but I will have my listening ears on extra sharp
Alastair’s logic:
Shadrach meshak and abednego….. no king Neb, we don’t agree with your golden statue and we only worship the one true God, but as long as you know this truth, we will bow down and worship your statue.