I VISITED THE CAT SCALE & THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED!
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- A lot of people use weight distribution hitches but do they really work? In this episode, I spend the morning at our local CAT Scales weighing our Lance Travel Trailer and our Chevrolet 2500HD in various configurations to find out just what is happening when we use our Anderson Weight Distribution system.
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The best, no BS video I have seen yet on weighing a truck and trailer and arriving at tongue weight.
Thank you very much! I had not found a video where someone had done this before and I was curious myself to see how it would come out.
Well done. Thanks.
Love the pictures with weights, really helps understand how WDH work
So glad we're pulling a Tab 320s and don't worry about all this.
My biggest concern with WD hitches is that the weight isn't magically transferred from one axle to another.
It is transferred by torquing the tow-vehicle and trailer via the tow-vehicle tow-bar and trailer coupler and frame. This adds stress to those areas equal to the weight being transferred, or more when bumps are encountered. What is worse, is that bumps (especially large bumps) cause additional movement of the WD hitch system which increase the torque substantially for brief moments. Frames and tow-bars begin to break in these situations, and sometimes break from regular use with WDH's.
A dangerous game is played if one doesn't properly calculate their tow-vehicle's capabilities and trailer's capabilities & frame strength, and stay well below its limits.
PS: I personally use an Anderson WD hitch.
OUTSTANDING info!!!!!! This video is exactly what I have been waiting for. Thanks for the clear and concise data.
Thank you so much!
This was great stuff. I have an Andersen as well because the Toy Hauler I bought came with it. I knew about them but had never used one, after a year and a half I still love it! It tows so smooth and no hard bounce over bumps compared to my old trailer bars. The sway control works excellent too. Thanks for posting this up, well done
Exactly why I bought and installed a Weigh Safe hitch. I do know my tongue weight and distributed weight using the scale in the hitch. And I can adjust it using their iPhone app and the hitch adjustment. Good video as I imagine most don't have a clue about this.
Great Video! You explained this topic very well. One of the best I've seen so far on YT.
Thank you.
I have to say after 3 videos on all this, I have obtained the BEST understanding of how all this works. VERY WELL DONE Patrick!!! MP
Thank you so much! I learned a lot from doing these videos
Nice vid. Easy to understand. You can tell you are a teacher.
Thank you Valerie
Very nicely done, thanks Patrick!
Thank you so much Kim!
Very helpful information! Like the summary diagrams too!
Thank you very much!
started watching your chanel some time back because i have a 2015 tundra. Loved your lance. after watching some of your videos i now have a 2022 ford f250 super cab 4x4 with a payload of 3397 .A 2022 outdoors rv 21rbs trailer . So glad i did . Thank you so much from Troutdale Oregon
We have looked at the Outdoors RV’s and they look very solid.
Very informative video, some great tips for the newbie.
Thank you very much!
Would be interesting to see with other WDH to see how they all perform but good info. Thanks
I agree! At some point, I may put my old “bar” system back on and rerun this test to see what it does.
Looking good. Always fun to learn things from you.
Thanks 👍
Thank you do much Patrick for doing a video like this. It’s great to see. Great to know all about the tow weigh and the truck weight. Patrick this is great to learn about. Thank you again for the video. Hope you have a great week what’s left of it and great weekend.
You’re absolutely welcome! I always hope a video like this will help someone out.
@@TravelswithDelaney It sure does help someone out. Especially me. And others like me.
I always “assumed” weight distribution bars did what they were supposed to do… but your numbers prove it! Thanks for the insider information Patrick!
Thank you Randi! It was fun to find out exactly what it was doing.
Great video. I am using an Anderson no sway WD hitch on my 2021 Flagstaff Micro Lite 25BRDS (6000 lbs.) towing with a 2020 Silverado LT 4x4 with the max trailering package. Plan to hit the scales soon and use your method of comparison.
Good video Patrick!! Safe Travels!
Thank you!
Nice Job! It's good to see the distribution did exactly what it was suppose to do!
Thank you Todd! I honestly was curious myself to see how it would come out. I’d love to sometime switch back to my bar system and see what it does.
@@TravelswithDelaney That would be interesting to see if the chain vs bar system makes a difference.
My previious camper did not use a weight distribution system, the new rig is 5' longer, 1,000lbs heavier and actually tows easier now that I use weight distribution. Informative video.
Thank you! When we had the T@B 400, we didn’t run weight distribution on it either.
Well done!
Thank you very much!
Excellent explanation.
Thank you
Great explanation video!
Thank you so much!
Great video… I think we need to hit the Cat Scale and crunch some numbers. Thanks
Thank you Jerry! You definitely should do a video on it.
Great video. Well done.
Thank you so much!
Good video. I would have added one really important point. Without a weight distribution hitch you may reduce the load on the front axle so much that steering is compromised. This is really dangerous.
Excellent comment/observation.
That is a great point. Obviously every trailer/tow vehicle combo can vary.
Decreased steering and breaking! Very unsafe to run without WDH or using it incorrectly.
This was well done and good info. Some other channels say there is little to no WD with the Anderson, only sway control. You proved it does distribute weight appropriately. I wonder what happened to your 800 lb. tongue weight with WD? They recommend at least 10% of trailer weight, so 500 lb. In your case. For me, ideally, I would like less tongue weight and more distribution to the trailer and truck. But my Airstream weighs 6500 fully loaded, so I want a hitch that gives me 650-750 lbs. tongue weight. My equalizer is heavy, noisy, and dirty with lubrication. But it does distribute and there is no sway. The Weighsafe with adjustable tongue weight (built in guage/scale) might be better for my application. Thanks again!
Great video, Patrick, and one of the easiest-to-follow explanations how weight distribution works I've ever seen.
I was considering moving from the Fastway E2 WD hitch to the Anderson just to get rid of the heavy, sometimes noisy bars, but had read and heard that although they are outstanding at preventing and controlling sway, their weight-distribution capabilities aren't as good as a traditional "bar" system.
I reached out to Anderson with all of the pertinent figures and information from my CAT scale measurements asking whether their hitch could get the job done (I'm transferring about 150 pounds to the front axle with the E2), and their reply was: "Our system is more so a load leveling system. You may get some weight distribution, but not as much as a traditional trunnion bar style system.." I read between the lines and took that to mean it wasn't a good choice for our 1/2 ton Silverado and Lance 2285.
It does bring up an oft-misunderstood point about WD hitches though, as many people think the only reason to use one is to take weight off the rear axle (to prevent sagging or mitigate tongue weight that would exceed either payload capacity or rear GAWR). That's only half of the equation. It is equally important to add weight back to the front axle to make sure the front tires have sufficient contact with the road for safe steering and braking.
Thank you Jim for sharing your story. I think it will be very helpful to others considering the Anderson.
A WDH is a torque hitch. Fact: no torsion bars, means no torque, means no "wdh". If you need more torque than the Andersen can provide, you need a larger truck. Play safe: the life you save could be your own.
Very interesting. Always wondered how much was redistributed and to where.
I was excited to find out myself. It was a fun test to do.
Andersons dont do as good of a job of distributing weight, But where they make up for it is the sway control. I love my Anderson, but i think if I ever bought a trailer over 8k, I would go with a beefier hitch.
Oh, and by the way, great thumbnail! You look like the next Marvel Superhero… RVMAN!
Thanks! I had the thumbnail in mind before I ever shot the video. I was going for a Zeus type look with it.
This was a fun math & physics video :)
Patty said it was too much math for her! LOL
physics? where?
That 40 lbs could be a miss reading I’ve heard off it happening at scale
I visited the Catskills and this is what happened...sorry, been trying to come up with something but coming up empty...
We just had some BBQ chicken with Smokey Apple BBQ Sauce from Red Apple Farm. Let us know if you've not tried it and we'll send you some!
We did not buy their barbecue sauce but I bet it’s good. Everything we have ever bought there has been outstanding. I thought about doing something with the Catskills/CAT Scales in the video but figured some wouldn’t get the humor… we both apparently think alike!
Thanks, Patrick for the info. What camera are You using to video yourself while You are in your truck?
For this video, I was using a GoPro 10. A lot of the time I use my IPhone13 Pro but I needed my phone to be able to use the Weigh My Truck App.
What is the max GWR for your truck? I love the way you explained this. Thank you! (Jane in SC)
The GVWR on the truck is 10,550 pounds.
@@TravelswithDelaney Awesome. Thanks!
You know what we really learned?
You have close to TWO THOUSAND POUNDS left of payload! Or certainly more than the total payload of old Tundra… 😳👍 yep, with that load the truck is not stressed very much.
Thanks for the video. Bill in Utah
Ps: do they charge you for a re-weigh or a new weigh on the third time weigh?
I love the payload with the new truck!! Both reweighs were at $3.50 each which was nice.
Excellent video , do you think the Anderson hitch is as good at weight distribution as traditional bars like we've been using the last twenty years? I'm almost ready to purchase one and try it out
We loved our Andersen and if we go back to a small travel trailer, we would definitely go Andersen again. I am not sure how good it would work on a larger travel trailer over say 6000#.
Do you add the trailer weight and tongue weight to get total trailer weight ??
Hi Patrick! I know you used to have a T@b 400. Do you know if the Anderson WDH will fit on the T@b trailer frame? Thanks!
I do not know. That is a very short tongue so I’m not sure if you could get the mounting brackets far enough back.
We use an Anderson on our tab400, it works great.
Did you try to crank the chains a little tighter to see if you would get more weight back on the front axle? 320 pounds lost and 80 pounds redistributed the front axle doesn’t seem right!
I have set to 6 threads showing which is about the max that Andersen recommended
I have a question. First I do have an Anderson hitch and love it. I just started carrying 2 e bikes Lets
call it 160# total with carrier. I found my trailer became unstable, so I started carrying cases of water in the front cargo hold to offset the added weight in the back. So the question is could I have just operated without the weight distribution hitch to prevent the weight from moving to the trailer. I guess the question is where the actual weight the is moved back Is actually being applied. It’s a pretty big issue. I’m even thinking of adding metal plate to the tongue. Any suggestions?
There are so many factors that you would want to be looking at. The length of the trailer, what is your tongue weight (sounds like it might be light), etc. Where is your fresh water tank on your RV? Would having fresh water in the tank help bring weight to the front of the trailer?
@@TravelswithDelaney thanks Patrick yes good suggestion about the fresh water tank. I did do that. I’m going to try to loosen the chains a little on the Anderson less weight distribution see if that Helps. I’m about to drive 350 miles to my next stop. If I have to by some more cases of water to put on the front bed for the drive at least it will get me through this trip. Can’t believe how much these bikes threw things out of wack. I my be chasing the wrong thing. Have to eliminate I guess. Thanks for trying to help. Anthony
Cat to Libra
How about weighing the truck and camper fully loaded? Wouldn’t it give you a more accurate tongue weight?
The trailer was fully loaded and ready to go camping. The only thing missing was Patty and the pups.
I have a T@B 320 that I pull with a Toyota RAV4 V6. It pulls well even in the Rockies, no complaints. But I am concerned that it seems to ride low in back. Do you think a weight distribution system would help? I’ve heard that I don’t need one with such a light trailer.
You might just want to see if you can get something like the Timbren Suspension System on your RAV. That is what we put on our 4Runner when we were towing our 400. They only cost $250 installed and they took away some of the squat on the 4Runner.
@@TravelswithDelaney thanks I’ll look into that.
You've made a mistake in your tongue weight. Yes, that is the transfer of tongue weight. However, tongue weight *includes* the hitch, which you left installed during your "truck only" weigh.
The Andersen hitch weighs less than 35 lbs so it's not really an issue..
I just weighed the hitch for you and it comes in at 27#. But I am not sure why I would take it off since its either always on my truck or in the bed of my truck. IF I had removed it and place it in the bed of my truck, the result would be the same.
What was the tongue weight with the Anderson ?😊
It redistributed 120 pounds so I believe that would put the tongue weight on the rear axle at 680#.
Your combined weight was 13,180, and the truck alone was 7480, so the actual trailer weight was 5,700 lbs, correct? I'm trying to determine how close I am to my trailer's GVWR, So I just need to 1) weigh truck w/trailer 2) weigh truck alone, then subtract truck weight from the combined weight. Am I under thinking this?
You are correct. Weigh your truck. Then hitch up and weigh the truck and trailer together. Subtract the two and that will give you your trailer weight.
Thank you. @@TravelswithDelaney
Thought it would distribute alot more to the front 🤔
I was thinking the same thing but Andersons strength is sway control more than weight distribution. I may switch it back over to my old bar system to see what it does.
That’s exactly the reason I ditched the Anderson and went with the R3. With the R3 properly adjusted I was able to move about 75% of the weight back to the front axle. For my rig I was only getting about 20 lbs back to the front axle with the Anderson. For my 1/2 ton truck the Anderson was a total fail on weight distribution, even with the Andersen chains tightened way beyond the recommended starting position.
@@TravelswithDelaney That would be an awesome idea! You should do that for your next video. We also have the Anderson in which we tow our keystone cougar 22rbs with our 2014 Toyota tundra. The sway control is absolutely fantastic, but I would like to see how a bar system works with the weight distribution.
@@wasachevyguy I am definitely going to do that video but it will be a couple of weeks before it will be done. We really like the Cougar 22rbs. Are you happy with it?
@@TravelswithDelaney yes we are! We opted for the reclining heated theatre seats as opposed to the dinette. It is so open and airy, especially with the big front windshield in the nose cap. And not to mention the insane amount of storage in such a small unit. We also opted for the solar 400i package which gives us two panels on the roof to keep the battery trickle charging all the time. We also went with the 12 V compressor fridge which means it never gets shut off and is always ready to go.
Your weight distribution setup works just not very well in my opinion. You are still light on your steering. I use a Propride setup. It is awesome 👌. I don't have a set of scales any where near me to check mine but I would really like to perform the same test you did. Great video. I am sure you are going to change your weight distribution setup when you upgrade your trailer. 😉
check back with us AFTER you've actually weighted your rig & have actual numbers B4 bragging.
@@azclaimjumper As I said, I DO NOT HAVE SCALES ANY WHERE NEAR ME. I do have a tape measure though. My post measurements tell me that my weight distribution setup has put me near stock form.
I would say that I probably would not use the Anderson with a rig much heavier than ours however with our new truck. I am very happy with it in this combo as it tows great for us. Each person needs to determine what is right for them.
@@TravelswithDelaney
I use the Andersen on my 2285 that has a GVWR of 6,000 lbs. Just add another turn to nuts & all good.
So why did you get rid of your Tundra?
Wanted a tow vehicle with more payload capacity so we could bring things like our e-bikes and not have to worry about being over capacity on the truck
@@TravelswithDelaney Good luck with that.
An example of the EFFECTS of WDH. WDH is bullshit. A WDH cannot "distribute" weight. To distribute, the physical footprint must change: e.g. a 3x4 array of blocks must be altered to say a 2x6 array. What a WDH does is apply torsion to the frame of truck and trailer. Torsion means torque, which is a force. That force must go somewhere: Newton's law. It goes into the frame of your truck. The force is not static: it will multiply as you gain speed and as you traverse potholes and bumps. The stress on frames can be enormous: sufficient to crack them. uh, ask me how I know. The reason for the apparent "shifting" of weights is the angle of sag; the angle of deflection. ANYTHING that reduces the angle will cause weight to be shifted to the other axles: simple laws of levers. A better means is to use air bags. In my day, levers were taught in grade 8. The fact hundreds of thousands of American RV-ers cannot understand grade 8 science is proof how drugged-up and dumbed-down is the nation.
You are 100% correct. It's all in the stress of the truck and trailer frame.