Streamed live last week. A huge thank-you to Rysha & My Life in Gaming. Several cores have been updated since filming, more cores have been announced, and ElectronAsh fixed Genesis audio quirks. Good times! MiSTer links in the description.
Really great job on this vid. I never thought about how editing a stream in this way, and adding the extra info and clips could make such an impact. Good stuff. ;)
Watching this three years later I can say without a doubt that Kevtris should be worried. Many people I know, including myself have sold there analogue products and moved on to the Mister. Some put them away in boxes, but really how long will it be before they get sold. The Mister and it’s evolution has won the FPGA enthusiasts hearts and minds at this point. No longer do I need to buy an upscaler or mod each console/computer and maintain them, along with an everdrive for each one. The Mister has really become the place I do my retro gaming.
Great video showcasing the MISTer Project. I've been a lurker in the MISTer FPGA scene and have been watching it closely. Just yesterday I decided to finally bite the bullet and order the parts needed to make my own MISTer FPGA Console. For me a fair amount of the games that I'd like to play are just WAY out of my price range and this will give me a chance to experience them for the first time in a way that is leagues better than Software Emulation can ever hope to be. I look forward to getting it set up and to start messing around with it. Keep the MISTer videos coming and I look forward to how this project develops in the future.
if each and every arcade core is developed as a complete system, sure it'll take forever. but, just like software programming, you can make reusable elements, and put them together to make many other systems. like, how many arcade machines use a 68k cpu, or a v20, or a z80. way more than than you would think. you take a CPU template, add a RAM template, throw in a input controller template, you've got most of a system right there. the trick will most likely be in their GPUs and APUs.
As far as I know, if you are going to output video/audio through HDMI and don't need X68000 support (which is at the moment not very far in development) then the IO board is not necessary and you will save about 60€. It's good to install a heatsink to the FPGA and possibly a small fan that can run at 5V (the IO board comes with a fan). Some other cores support the extra SD card slot on the IO board but they don't require it, you can set up virtual drives (VHD) instead.
Pretty awesome. Thanks for the detailed explanation. I’m that crazy person dying for a 3DO core... FPGA is likely the future of “clone consoles” and it’s exciting to think about the possibilities. Especially for those harder to emulate or less-common consoles. :)
Bishop Williams The Mega Drive/Genesis core has gotten a lot better the last days for the MISTer. Sorgelig who does most of the job with the MISTer cores is very much capable. Kevtris is only one fpga coder, a good one yes, but there are others. Developing one core takes a lot of time, The Amiga core has been in development for many years already, considering it's based on Minimig. Many other cores have been ported to MISTer where work has continued. Imagine the time it would take for Kevtris to write all these cores from scratch.
Kevtris is good but remember he ain't open sourcing his cores he gettin paid for them and he is devoting all his focus and time on them so he has all the time to get them right. These other developers probably have a full time job and thus only probably devote little time to them. If they were making money off them like kevtris then I'm sure the cores would be more complete by now! Being free takes time to make good cuz no one pay you to do it!
Eric Ochoa he says he’s put a lot of time into the scaler and compatibility for SNES / NES, so uh ... I guess the Analogue devices are A+ Commercial quality while the Mister is very much a “Batteries not included, your parents help you put it together.” project like Linux From Scratch.
It is to most of us. I watch and read retro stuff all the time, and I'd never even heard of this. Why hasn't it had more coverage? Maybe becuase it's still so "work in progress"? Or because it needs various parts to be procured and assembled? If this thing were sold as a fully assembled, ready-to-go unit, and properly marketed, it would receive a lot more attention.
Richard Linder You can buy fully assembled mist dogs Consoles, it's doesn't have as much support for consoles, it's more for retro computers and European ones at that.
Richard Linder If it would be sold as a fully assembled, marketed, ready to go unit it would also be more expensive. This system is open source and as stated on the wiki: "without focus on sales".
Bishop Williams I think the original MIST was too expensive to gain momentum, the MISTer has had zero marketing since it's a non-commercial system so it need to catch on through word of mouth, which is now has.
I always think I that I know whats going in retro gaming community and then you come up with something amazing that I have no idea about. Awesome video. thanks. (i need this MiSTer thing now)
Bishop Williams It's news to a lot of people. It's nice to see that the MISTer is starting to get more coverage, maybe more fpga devs can join in and help with the available and new cores.
Thanks this video. Very helpful and I now understand a great deal more about FGPA and why it's important. Like you, I collect arcade PCBs and build my own cabs, so going beyond mame and having near perfect "emulated hardware" is very cool...
All this FPGA stuff doesn't seem quite baked enough for me to dive in yet, but OMG I'm just imagining what kinds of products we'll have in just a few years. The day someone sells an AIO FPGA system that loads ROMs and emulates nearly everything and can output analog as well as digital, all at a reasonable price, I'm on it! Right now, it just seems like every product/project has some drawbacks, whether it's cart-only, missing analog output, or missing cores.
It's hard for me to get too excited about it when I can just use a PC with good emulators with 4k CRT shader output on top of being able to run Street Fighter 5, Dragon Ball FighterZ, and whatever else I want to play.
Well, to be fair, hardware emulation via an FPGA can do things software emulation can't. Software emulation is still bound by its host, but hardware emulation is agnostic as long as the FPGA is powerful enough. It also means things like native analog video output, identical timings to actual hardware, absolutely no video lag, and compatibility with external hardware. Technically something like this could be made to work with a real Sega CD and 32X if someone found a way to hook them up. It also opens the door to native-level enhancements, like CPU overclocking and sprite limit removal, without any of the sacrifices of software emulation like input lag or incompatibilities.
Eh I don't think so. Zero lag output to a CRT has been demonstrated via GroovyMAME for example with beam tracing. Ironically, timings are more accurate with computers than most FPGAs. The Super NT, for example, is stuck outputting at 60hz via HDMI whereas if you have a computer with a G-Sync monitor or use something like GroovyMAME to output at its native refresh, you can actually run at the true 60.60hz. Computers are a bit underrated here and FPGAs a bit overrated.
@@city__lights that would be funny, but I doubt it. The cyclone V in the SNT doesn't have arm embedded on the silicon, so I don't know if a attack vector could be done.
Random question. I don't have the "ultimate" case for my MiSTer, so all the boards (hub, de10-nano, io board) are just encased between two plexi panels. I'm moving soon and will be traveling via place. Will TSA have an issue with this device in my luggage or carry on, being non-descript electronics with circuit-boards and whatnot? I don't want them to freak out thinking it's an IED or something and end up making me throw $300+ in the trash.
wow looking back on this video and what mister is becoming its now competing with analogue products with neogeo on the way. you really should do an update on were mister stands now
I am tempted as hell to get the boards. I do have some questions: If I were to use an analog out cable like component, outputting at 240p, to an OSSC, will the OSSC see the signal properly? I ask is because I had no luck when trying to use the OSSC with my Raspberry Pi hooked to the RetroTINK Ultimate through component. How does it deal with resolution switching through analog and digital (ex. Sonic 2's two player mode)?
Making some time to go through your entire playlist to learn all about this, am very interested in getting this. Do you have any recommendations where to go for the parts now? as most likely different than almost 2 years ago. I would be happy to pay a little extra for a complete kit with everything included and already built if there is someone doing it for the right reasons and supporting the people who have made this possible.
@@shadowtheimpure Nice, hope you are happy with it. I picked up a pre-build a few days ago to add to my collection, it looks really nice, just need to learn how to use it properly now.
Dude, you should always have something to drink nearby when doing these live streams. It was super obvious that you were super thirsty. But anyway, yeah, FPGA is the way to go for spot-on retro gaming!
It really isn't. They're not fast enough to output at 4k which basically kills them for flat screen monitors. You basically need 4k and a semi decent PC to output images with a good CRT shader that doesn't look like crap.
Meh. None of the machines they are emulating were anywhere close to 4k, so I don't see the point, especially when you consider that virtually all 4k monitors and televisions will upscale automatically if you want them to, shifting the processing burden of upscaling to the TV/monitor.
Do loading another core reprogram the FPGA and as such wear it out? Should one mostly try to use it for just one system but as a solution which can do "any" system rather than solutions for just one system or do it all live on the FPGA all at once and you just select which parts of it you want to use by selecting core and it doesn't wear out except for upgrading the whole thing or something?
Can anyone please answer a question for me? Will the RGB Scart Lead for a MIST fpga work on the MISTER?? lotharek.pl/productdetail.php?id=116 Is this the same as other RGB scart leads available for the MISTER and why does this state that the core would have to be 15/50?? Despite what it says is it any different to the other RGB Scarts available for MISTER?
I'm told that the limit is somewhere around PS2. PS1 & N64 should be possible, but the real limit is going to be the amount of FPGA programmers working on cores, and the amount of enthusiasm we can build. If it becomes a major open-source group effort, the sky is really the limit up to the PS2 era or so. Yes, there is already a 486 core for DOS/Windows PC.
thank you for your reply, that's great! I'm sure it will get the success that it deserves, as the 'replication' (I like this term) is absolutely outstanding....emulation is like saccarine, sure it tastes sweet but with emulation the heart is missing, you can feel that there is no hardware, so I will spread the news, I 'm actually wonder why with these kind of results FPGA moves relative slowly...nevertheless I will do my part to promote this wonder machine....and yes, I was watching some 486 games and they are exactly the same I was remembering...I checked doom dos and it looks the same, but the framerate is quite low...I wonder if it just need optimization...I think if MISTER wants to become more popular, we have to put a dress...people get scared of boards and circuits and things to do...someone should assemble the different pieces and dress it like a console with an appealing look....mmm I will go for a black monolith like in 2001 a Space Odissey...cheers! I will follow your channel, it is interesting..:-)
could you make sure this would be generally compatible with max-10 (50k logic) DK-DEV-10M50-A, de10-standard (110k), and iWave Xilinx iW-G35D-19EG-4E004G-E008G-LCB (1.1M)
@@SmokeMonster ah. Very cool. I'm new to this and just trying to work out which bits to buy and from where. I'm in Australia so it's a bit harder here due to exchange rates, import duties, and shipping costs. I'm trying to source what I can locally but I expect I will most likely have to buy everything bar the main PCB (DE10?) Abroad. So it's better for me to wait for the larger ram option and try and get everything shipped together if possible (combine shipping). Enjoyed watching your videos. Thanks..
I need to research fpga more because a lot of these comments are people getting really excited. I'm not understanding the happiness. A raspberry pi 3b+ running retropie will play a ton of retro consoles handhelds, dos , mame and ps1. only systems having issues is psp, n64 and dreamcast...
I got DE10, thanks to your video. Right now I dnt have SDRAM board. I was able to run Genesis, TG16 but apparently NES is not working. Does any one know that is it that NES core doesnt work without SDRAM module ?
This video goes public tomorrow (Thurs) at 12PM EDT, and Part 2 goes public on Friday at noon. This is unlisted because it's supposed to be a Patreon Early Access video, but the link has been shared before it went public. Patrons got access to this video and Part 2 last Sunday :)
another question for you if you have time: what will happen to Analog, as if Mister is so good and based on the same tech, it could erase Analog, as one machine does it all, I'm sure at Analog are looking very closely on what is the situation with Mister, I mean with 200 Euro you can buy a Mister with all bells and whistles...so what is the point of buying different Analog consoles?...NT, NT SNES, and the new upcoming one...it would be interesting to know your thoughts abot that...cheers!
The reason analog has nothing to worry about yet, is they cater to a different market. Their customers want to play on real cartridges instead of roms. The analog machines are capable of playing several systems via their sd card slot. Analog will start to worry when Mister can get to the point where it does all the 32 bit and under systems, and we can buy detachable cartridge slots. Think polymega, but good.
i remeber to play mame32 using windows xp back to this day's way to buy that expensive system to play the same games ? for the peoples the dont know mame32 is arcaded emulator i have a lot playable arcadeds games yes i have few game is not running but still all the games run for this emulator rum vary smooth at least for the computer buck this day's
Good video! But why are you talking into the side of the microphone? Makes the video look like you are joking you should speak into the front of it so it doesn’t look so awkward
It's hardware emulation as opposed to software. So basically instead of emulating the system as a whole, it emulates each chip and component separately. That's why compatibility is perfect when done correctly.
Remember though the 'Hardware emulation' is only as good as the person programming it and their knowledge of the real hardware being emulated, so FPGA isnt the holy grail a lot are trying to make it out to be
It's still better than software emulation, if for no other reason than compatibility. There's a reason the clone systems can't play everdrives, certain chipsets etc. Fpga systems can.
This does not explain what the mister system is, and does not understand what FPGAs are. It's not emulation, it is literally hardware. It's also not just limited to copying processors. If you can't afford a VGA to HDMI adapter, or an 8-way KVM for instance, it can do that as well. You take your raytracer than takes an hour to run on a supercomputer cluster, compile the software into hardware without needing the intermediate step of a processor, and it will run in one clock step. Disadvantages, you have to learn about electronics and another coding language, and because FPGAs are massively parallel systems that do a lot of work quickly, they put out a LOT of heat, much more than a processor does. The heat isn't usually a problem, because of the speed: As most "programs" run in a single cycle (usually a hundred-millionth of a second), there isn't a chance to get hot. When you're using them for stream processing (eg converting VGA, trading stocks, or analysing data coming out of a synchrotron), they'll run hotter, ditto when you've replicated a different computer system on them. They're not just good for the trivial application of running a single core, either. They can run the whole system, down to the ports. They're also not subject to the usual limitations of parallel computing, because they're not internally interdependent. Another use is in prototyping new hardware: Instead of breadboarding or using software circuit simulation, you can test, change, and build new hardware on an FPGA development board.
Streamed live last week. A huge thank-you to Rysha & My Life in Gaming. Several cores have been updated since filming, more cores have been announced, and ElectronAsh fixed Genesis audio quirks. Good times! MiSTer links in the description.
Really great job on this vid.
I never thought about how editing a stream in this way, and adding the extra info and clips could make such an impact.
Good stuff. ;)
Watching this three years later I can say without a doubt that Kevtris should be worried. Many people I know, including myself have sold there analogue products and moved on to the Mister. Some put them away in boxes, but really how long will it be before they get sold. The Mister and it’s evolution has won the FPGA enthusiasts hearts and minds at this point. No longer do I need to buy an upscaler or mod each console/computer and maintain them, along with an everdrive for each one. The Mister has really become the place I do my retro gaming.
Great video showcasing the MISTer Project. I've been a lurker in the MISTer FPGA scene and have been watching it closely. Just yesterday I decided to finally bite the bullet and order the parts needed to make my own MISTer FPGA Console. For me a fair amount of the games that I'd like to play are just WAY out of my price range and this will give me a chance to experience them for the first time in a way that is leagues better than Software Emulation can ever hope to be. I look forward to getting it set up and to start messing around with it. Keep the MISTer videos coming and I look forward to how this project develops in the future.
How are you liking the mister so far? Any big downsides of it?
once cps2 and 3 are accurately emulated I'm sold.
I can't wait to see how this evolves.
Looking back now the answer to this question is...."most excellently"
if each and every arcade core is developed as a complete system, sure it'll take forever. but, just like software programming, you can make reusable elements, and put them together to make many other systems. like, how many arcade machines use a 68k cpu, or a v20, or a z80. way more than than you would think. you take a CPU template, add a RAM template, throw in a input controller template, you've got most of a system right there. the trick will most likely be in their GPUs and APUs.
Exactly what I was thinking some months ago when I was talking to someone on FPGA reimplementation.
For the price, features and systems supported it's a pretty awesome
interesting as a retrospect looking at the prediction that it wouldn't be competing with kevtris for decades, but now it's beyond our wildest dreams
As far as I know, if you are going to output video/audio through HDMI and don't need X68000 support (which is at the moment not very far in development) then the IO board is not necessary and you will save about 60€. It's good to install a heatsink to the FPGA and possibly a small fan that can run at 5V (the IO board comes with a fan). Some other cores support the extra SD card slot on the IO board but they don't require it, you can set up virtual drives (VHD) instead.
Pretty awesome. Thanks for the detailed explanation. I’m that crazy person dying for a 3DO core... FPGA is likely the future of “clone consoles” and it’s exciting to think about the possibilities. Especially for those harder to emulate or less-common consoles. :)
This hardware paired with the Bliss Box will rock the retro world.
Agreed :D
Due to this project, I no longer have to worry about spending so much to get a Analogue NT Mini.
Bishop Williams The Mega Drive/Genesis core has gotten a lot better the last days for the MISTer. Sorgelig who does most of the job with the MISTer cores is very much capable. Kevtris is only one fpga coder, a good one yes, but there are others. Developing one core takes a lot of time, The Amiga core has been in development for many years already, considering it's based on Minimig. Many other cores have been ported to MISTer where work has continued. Imagine the time it would take for Kevtris to write all these cores from scratch.
Kevtris is good but remember he ain't open sourcing his cores he gettin paid for them and he is devoting all his focus and time on them so he has all the time to get them right. These other developers probably have a full time job and thus only probably devote little time to them. If they were making money off them like kevtris then I'm sure the cores would be more complete by now! Being free takes time to make good cuz no one pay you to do it!
Eric Ochoa he says he’s put a lot of time into the scaler and compatibility for SNES / NES, so uh ... I guess the Analogue devices are A+ Commercial quality while the Mister is very much a “Batteries not included, your parents help you put it together.” project like Linux From Scratch.
Thank you sir for your time ! This is one of the best things i've seen in the latest months !
better the learn new things , no matter what ^_^
One day FPGAs will be the go-to way to play old games.
Now this, is a multi-console that has my attention. Not some over priced, lame, sorry excuse Poly console hyped up on emulation...
It is to most of us. I watch and read retro stuff all the time, and I'd never even heard of this. Why hasn't it had more coverage?
Maybe becuase it's still so "work in progress"? Or because it needs various parts to be procured and assembled? If this thing were sold as a fully assembled, ready-to-go unit, and properly marketed, it would receive a lot more attention.
Richard Linder
You can buy fully assembled mist dogs Consoles, it's doesn't have as much support for consoles, it's more for retro computers and European ones at that.
Richard Linder If it would be sold as a fully assembled, marketed, ready to go unit it would also be more expensive. This system is open source and as stated on the wiki: "without focus on sales".
Bishop Williams I think the original MIST was too expensive to gain momentum, the MISTer has had zero marketing since it's a non-commercial system so it need to catch on through word of mouth, which is now has.
@Richard Linder Me too.. just heard it yesterday.. and i follow retro stuff... me being old
I would love to get an FPGA CPS2/3 emulator. Would be great to play those games on a BVM without having to switch the boards out in the cab.
I always think I that I know whats going in retro gaming community and then you come up with something amazing that I have no idea about. Awesome video. thanks. (i need this MiSTer thing now)
Bishop Williams i am not here for bullshit.
Bishop Williams It's news to a lot of people. It's nice to see that the MISTer is starting to get more coverage, maybe more fpga devs can join in and help with the available and new cores.
well said
Just getting into your channel with the new videos. Looks like MiSTer has made a huge leap in core development since just last year.
Yes, it's come a long way!
Thanks this video. Very helpful and I now understand a great deal more about FGPA and why it's important. Like you, I collect arcade PCBs and build my own cabs, so going beyond mame and having near perfect "emulated hardware" is very cool...
All this FPGA stuff doesn't seem quite baked enough for me to dive in yet, but OMG I'm just imagining what kinds of products we'll have in just a few years. The day someone sells an AIO FPGA system that loads ROMs and emulates nearly everything and can output analog as well as digital, all at a reasonable price, I'm on it! Right now, it just seems like every product/project has some drawbacks, whether it's cart-only, missing analog output, or missing cores.
It's hard for me to get too excited about it when I can just use a PC with good emulators with 4k CRT shader output on top of being able to run Street Fighter 5, Dragon Ball FighterZ, and whatever else I want to play.
Well, to be fair, hardware emulation via an FPGA can do things software emulation can't. Software emulation is still bound by its host, but hardware emulation is agnostic as long as the FPGA is powerful enough. It also means things like native analog video output, identical timings to actual hardware, absolutely no video lag, and compatibility with external hardware. Technically something like this could be made to work with a real Sega CD and 32X if someone found a way to hook them up. It also opens the door to native-level enhancements, like CPU overclocking and sprite limit removal, without any of the sacrifices of software emulation like input lag or incompatibilities.
Eh I don't think so. Zero lag output to a CRT has been demonstrated via GroovyMAME for example with beam tracing. Ironically, timings are more accurate with computers than most FPGAs. The Super NT, for example, is stuck outputting at 60hz via HDMI whereas if you have a computer with a G-Sync monitor or use something like GroovyMAME to output at its native refresh, you can actually run at the true 60.60hz.
Computers are a bit underrated here and FPGAs a bit overrated.
R.I.P SmokeMonster.
Someone needs to use side channel attacks on the cyclone V in the Super NT to get the verilog files...
@@city__lights that would be funny, but I doubt it. The cyclone V in the SNT doesn't have arm embedded on the silicon, so I don't know if a attack vector could be done.
Didn't take 10 years, before I was thinking about selling my Analogue systems. :)
Random question. I don't have the "ultimate" case for my MiSTer, so all the boards (hub, de10-nano, io board) are just encased between two plexi panels. I'm moving soon and will be traveling via place. Will TSA have an issue with this device in my luggage or carry on, being non-descript electronics with circuit-boards and whatnot? I don't want them to freak out thinking it's an IED or something and end up making me throw $300+ in the trash.
It just depends on the agent you run into and whether they want to bother you or not. Maybe bring the DE10's box if you have it.
wow looking back on this video and what mister is becoming its now competing with analogue products with neogeo on the way. you really should do an update on were mister stands now
I am tempted as hell to get the boards.
I do have some questions: If I were to use an analog out cable like component, outputting at 240p, to an OSSC, will the OSSC see the signal properly? I ask is because I had no luck when trying to use the OSSC with my Raspberry Pi hooked to the RetroTINK Ultimate through component. How does it deal with resolution switching through analog and digital (ex. Sonic 2's two player mode)?
I think the best for OSSC is a VGA to SCART cable. That's what Rysha uses and it looks really good.
Making some time to go through your entire playlist to learn all about this, am very interested in getting this. Do you have any recommendations where to go for the parts now? as most likely different than almost 2 years ago. I would be happy to pay a little extra for a complete kit with everything included and already built if there is someone doing it for the right reasons and supporting the people who have made this possible.
I bought all my parts off Amazon, funny enough.
@@shadowtheimpure Nice, hope you are happy with it. I picked up a pre-build a few days ago to add to my collection, it looks really nice, just need to learn how to use it properly now.
Im not savvy on this I build my own Arcade units and Raspberry Pi stuff but this Id LOVE to have if its all the classic games on it..
Dude, you should always have something to drink nearby when doing these live streams. It was super obvious that you were super thirsty.
But anyway, yeah, FPGA is the way to go for spot-on retro gaming!
It really isn't. They're not fast enough to output at 4k which basically kills them for flat screen monitors. You basically need 4k and a semi decent PC to output images with a good CRT shader that doesn't look like crap.
Meh. None of the machines they are emulating were anywhere close to 4k, so I don't see the point, especially when you consider that virtually all 4k monitors and televisions will upscale automatically if you want them to, shifting the processing burden of upscaling to the TV/monitor.
You're missing the point of 4k. You need that much resolution for CRT simulation shaders. Look at CRT Royale.
@@youtubesuresuckscock I guess if you NEED an EXACT emulation of a 20+ year old display technology....
@@youtubesuresuckscock Are there any FPGA boards that support 4K? I'm wondering if MISTer supports boards other than DE10-Nano Kit.
So awesome, a dream come true. :D
Do loading another core reprogram the FPGA and as such wear it out? Should one mostly try to use it for just one system but as a solution which can do "any" system rather than solutions for just one system or do it all live on the FPGA all at once and you just select which parts of it you want to use by selecting core and it doesn't wear out except for upgrading the whole thing or something?
No, the FPGA doesn't wear out like an SD card or SSD.
If there’s ever Sega Saturn core I’m sold
Imagine if you could have like a fightcade running on this super turbo vampire saviour hyper fight etc now that would be cool
Best place to buy the de10 nano in UK?
What susprises me is how the name is capitalised MiSTer, but there doesn't appear to be an actual Atari ST core.
Here's the ST core atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=34554
Which is better. RGB SCART OR Component ypbpr? When outputting a consoles video quality
Can anyone please answer a question for me?
Will the RGB Scart Lead for a MIST fpga work on the MISTER??
lotharek.pl/productdetail.php?id=116
Is this the same as other RGB scart leads available for the MISTER and why does this state that the core would have to be 15/50?? Despite what it says is it any different to the other RGB Scarts available for MISTER?
very interesting...what is the limit of this card? ps1? or N64?...can it emulate pc games?...that would be great...
I'm told that the limit is somewhere around PS2. PS1 & N64 should be possible, but the real limit is going to be the amount of FPGA programmers working on cores, and the amount of enthusiasm we can build. If it becomes a major open-source group effort, the sky is really the limit up to the PS2 era or so. Yes, there is already a 486 core for DOS/Windows PC.
thank you for your reply, that's great! I'm sure it will get the success that it deserves, as the 'replication' (I like this term) is absolutely outstanding....emulation is like saccarine, sure it tastes sweet but with emulation the heart is missing, you can feel that there is no hardware, so I will spread the news, I 'm actually wonder why with these kind of results FPGA moves relative slowly...nevertheless I will do my part to promote this wonder machine....and yes, I was watching some 486 games and they are exactly the same I was remembering...I checked doom dos and it looks the same, but the framerate is quite low...I wonder if it just need optimization...I think if MISTER wants to become more popular, we have to put a dress...people get scared of boards and circuits and things to do...someone should assemble the different pieces and dress it like a console with an appealing look....mmm I will go for a black monolith like in 2001 a Space Odissey...cheers! I will follow your channel, it is interesting..:-)
SmokeMonster
Kevtris said the realistic limit for FPGA anytime in the near future (next five or so years) is PS1 and Saturn, even N64 may be far off.
great, thank you for the precious information...:-)
@@SmokeMonster I want a Turbografx and Genesis FPGA system.CD add-on for both would be a big bonus as well 😉
Weird question, but does Ms. Pac-Man's core have the option to use the speed kit?
That is definitely possible, maybe run it by ElectronAsh to see what it work would take.
@@SmokeMonster
Nnnoooo! lol
I can't keep up. :p
In this video you say that any VGA to component cable will work on MiSTer, I thought you had to build a custom vga to component cable?
could you make sure this would be generally compatible with max-10 (50k logic) DK-DEV-10M50-A, de10-standard (110k), and iWave Xilinx iW-G35D-19EG-4E004G-E008G-LCB (1.1M)
It only works with the DE10-nano.
@@SmokeMonster de10-standard has the exact same fpga soc
@@SmokeMonster max-10 is only the fpga, not the linux, but should be able to load vhdl schematics
@@SmokeMonster xilinx has the same arm cores to run linux, and somewhat similar fpga
Is it possible to buy a MiSTer ready-built now?
You can buy a DE10-nano (from Amazon or Digikey) and just get a RAM card from a Mr parts seller. That gives you a 100% complete setup.
@@SmokeMonster Thanks!
How's the 128MB SDram going?
When can we buy one? :) ..
It's still being developed, so it's best to wait for the design to finalize. The testers have it working though so I imagine it's not far off :)
@@SmokeMonster ah. Very cool. I'm new to this and just trying to work out which bits to buy and from where. I'm in Australia so it's a bit harder here due to exchange rates, import duties, and shipping costs. I'm trying to source what I can locally but I expect I will most likely have to buy everything bar the main PCB (DE10?) Abroad. So it's better for me to wait for the larger ram option and try and get everything shipped together if possible (combine shipping). Enjoyed watching your videos. Thanks..
got the boards on the way from germany. where do we get the software?
how does it compare to the nt consoles,
I need to research fpga more because a lot of these comments are people getting really excited. I'm not understanding the happiness.
A raspberry pi 3b+ running retropie will play a ton of retro consoles handhelds, dos , mame and ps1.
only systems having issues is psp, n64 and dreamcast...
so what you think after one month retropie vs Mister a lot has happen snice this video with the Mister
I got DE10, thanks to your video. Right now I dnt have SDRAM board. I was able to run Genesis, TG16 but apparently NES is not working. Does any one know that is it that NES core doesnt work without SDRAM module ?
When is part 2 being posted and will it also be unlisted?
This video goes public tomorrow (Thurs) at 12PM EDT, and Part 2 goes public on Friday at noon. This is unlisted because it's supposed to be a Patreon Early Access video, but the link has been shared before it went public. Patrons got access to this video and Part 2 last Sunday :)
Audio is almost always an issue with emulation
Anyone know where I can get one of these ready made to plug and play in the UK?
argos
another question for you if you have time: what will happen to Analog, as if Mister is so good and based on the same tech, it could erase Analog, as one machine does it all, I'm sure at Analog are looking very closely on what is the situation with Mister, I mean with 200 Euro you can buy a Mister with all bells and whistles...so what is the point of buying different Analog consoles?...NT, NT SNES, and the new upcoming one...it would be interesting to know your thoughts abot that...cheers!
The reason analog has nothing to worry about yet, is they cater to a different market. Their customers want to play on real cartridges instead of roms. The analog machines are capable of playing several systems via their sd card slot. Analog will start to worry when Mister can get to the point where it does all the 32 bit and under systems, and we can buy detachable cartridge slots. Think polymega, but good.
god i hope we get pc 98 support.
i remeber to play mame32 using windows xp back to this day's way to buy that expensive system to play the same games ?
for the peoples the dont know mame32 is arcaded emulator i have a lot playable arcadeds games yes i have few game is not running but still all the games run for this emulator rum vary smooth at least for the computer buck this day's
Good video! But why are you talking into the side of the microphone? Makes the video look like you are joking you should speak into the front of it so it doesn’t look so awkward
That's the correct way to use this mic
SmokeMonster oh ok that makes sense then, just seems odd to me I guess
I thought FPGA wasn't emulation but simulation.
It's hardware emulation as opposed to software. So basically instead of emulating the system as a whole, it emulates each chip and component separately. That's why compatibility is perfect when done correctly.
yo son, either youre super tiny or that mic is gargantuan lol (p.s. thanks for making this vid) :D
That mic is just consuming your head. Lol.
I just asking to not say emulation anymore. Use the correct word it’s a simulation thank you
Remember though the 'Hardware emulation' is only as good as the person programming it and their knowledge of the real hardware being emulated, so FPGA isnt the holy grail a lot are trying to make it out to be
It's still better than software emulation, if for no other reason than compatibility. There's a reason the clone systems can't play everdrives, certain chipsets etc. Fpga systems can.
This does not explain what the mister system is, and does not understand what FPGAs are. It's not emulation, it is literally hardware. It's also not just limited to copying processors. If you can't afford a VGA to HDMI adapter, or an 8-way KVM for instance, it can do that as well. You take your raytracer than takes an hour to run on a supercomputer cluster, compile the software into hardware without needing the intermediate step of a processor, and it will run in one clock step. Disadvantages, you have to learn about electronics and another coding language, and because FPGAs are massively parallel systems that do a lot of work quickly, they put out a LOT of heat, much more than a processor does. The heat isn't usually a problem, because of the speed: As most "programs" run in a single cycle (usually a hundred-millionth of a second), there isn't a chance to get hot. When you're using them for stream processing (eg converting VGA, trading stocks, or analysing data coming out of a synchrotron), they'll run hotter, ditto when you've replicated a different computer system on them. They're not just good for the trivial application of running a single core, either. They can run the whole system, down to the ports. They're also not subject to the usual limitations of parallel computing, because they're not internally interdependent. Another use is in prototyping new hardware: Instead of breadboarding or using software circuit simulation, you can test, change, and build new hardware on an FPGA development board.
FPGA is not emulation, it's SIMULATION.
See my newest video on this subject.
Should have called it mistird lol.
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