I think these types of headphones (aka the main brand is Shokz) like you said are primarily designed for long distance runners. So the functionality and comfortability takes main stage over pure sound quality. They all also place an extreme emphasis on mids/vocals for podcasts and call quality so you have that to listen to while running. IMO this makes perfect sense for this product to focus on build/conform/fit/vocals over pure sound quality. It's a nice little niche product.
Absolutely. As a niche product it does make sense and the Mojo 2 is definitely better than earlier examples I tried. That said, I find that even wind noise when running/cycling is enough to drown out the bone phones
Fascinating, I'm interested to see where this technology progresses. At least now it seems we're past the gimmick stage. I like the idea of being able to hear my surroundings unimpeded when I'm in public.
There's definitely some promise. They just need to find a way to produce sufficient volume to overcome moderate background noise without tickling the skin or needing earplugs
@@PassionforSound I just got home from a sleep study and I saw the technician wearing one. I meant to ask him about it but forgot. First time seeing someone wearing one and right after this video no less! Seems perfect for a job where it's quiet all night and you need to monitor the rooms' microphones.
I bought for about $50 on Ebay the G7 headset that IMO actually does sound better than Shokz. I Haven't tried a Mojawa yet.. Andys Tech Tone channel does an in depth comp of a few name brands including a Mojawa...
@@PassionforSound I have tried bone conduction headphones before. Have you heard of after shokz, now known as Shokz? It’s a lifestyle product where one isn’t paying for an audiphile brand.
Staging is ok for width, but minimal depth. Imaging is quite good for the price, but the inside-the-head presentation limits the sense of realism overall and that includes limiting the effects of staging and imaging.
Thanks Fred. I'd never considered using them with IEMs. I'm not sure how you'd get a synchronised signal to the bone conductors and IEMs at the same time. And yes, they should work for people who have a hearing loss caused by anatomical damage to the ear, but an intact auditory nerve I believe.
@@PassionforSound I don't know much about auditory neuropathy, but the percussionist Evelyn Glennie is an interesting case; deaf from age 12 & world class. Some headphone/microphone manufacturer's also make hearing aids.; so I was just guessing as to any potential for a hybrid Bone conductor/IEM or headphone for that matter. Thanks for your response ✌😎👍
@Passion for Sound .. on that.. I got IE600s 2 weeks ago off back of reviews. Yours included. Coming from Galaxy buds and WH-XM3s they certainly have been showing me another side of detail to my music. I can say for definite that they are a gift (to myself) that will keep on giving.
No, they are not bone conducting earphones they are flesh conducting earphones. Very little of the energy goes into bone and is not really conducted that way, but through the skin and flesh they are actually contacting.
I'm not sure that flesh or skin actually conduct sound, Ravi. Sound won't travel well through soft, elastic surfaces like skin and flesh. These might not be high-end bone conduction like some advanced comms devices, but I think you're overstating the issue here. If you have specific expertise and evidence in this area, please do correct me.
@@PassionforSound Well the earphones don't contact any bone, so have to go through skin and flesh to get to the bone in the first place. Then the ear drums and inner parts of the ear is not directly connected to bone either, so it will have to go through other substances than bone again... If you had transducers connected to your teeth it would be another matter :-)
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I think these types of headphones (aka the main brand is Shokz) like you said are primarily designed for long distance runners. So the functionality and comfortability takes main stage over pure sound quality. They all also place an extreme emphasis on mids/vocals for podcasts and call quality so you have that to listen to while running. IMO this makes perfect sense for this product to focus on build/conform/fit/vocals over pure sound quality. It's a nice little niche product.
Absolutely. As a niche product it does make sense and the Mojo 2 is definitely better than earlier examples I tried. That said, I find that even wind noise when running/cycling is enough to drown out the bone phones
Fascinating, I'm interested to see where this technology progresses. At least now it seems we're past the gimmick stage. I like the idea of being able to hear my surroundings unimpeded when I'm in public.
There's definitely some promise. They just need to find a way to produce sufficient volume to overcome moderate background noise without tickling the skin or needing earplugs
@@PassionforSound I just got home from a sleep study and I saw the technician wearing one. I meant to ask him about it but forgot. First time seeing someone wearing one and right after this video no less! Seems perfect for a job where it's quiet all night and you need to monitor the rooms' microphones.
It's so funny how those sorts of coincidences happen. That definitely makes sense in a role like that.
I bought for about $50 on Ebay the G7 headset that IMO actually does sound better than Shokz. I Haven't tried a Mojawa yet.. Andys Tech Tone channel does an in depth comp of a few name brands including a Mojawa...
I've not heard the G7. Thanks for the info
You hit the nail in the head. Great for background noise/ athletes.
Thank you, Feliciano
@@PassionforSound I have tried bone conduction headphones before. Have you heard of after shokz, now known as Shokz? It’s a lifestyle product where one isn’t paying for an audiphile brand.
I have tried to get review units from them, but with no luck ☹️
Probably the best conduction headphones I've heard are actually air conduction. The Oneodio Openrock. I think I got that close to correct.
Interesting! I haven't seen those before
Sound stage? Image separation?
Staging is ok for width, but minimal depth. Imaging is quite good for the price, but the inside-the-head presentation limits the sense of realism overall and that includes limiting the effects of staging and imaging.
Could use those with IEM's maybe? or maybe a hybrid is an idea...🤷♂Good for deaf people 👍
Good review as usual ✌🎧👍
Thanks Fred. I'd never considered using them with IEMs. I'm not sure how you'd get a synchronised signal to the bone conductors and IEMs at the same time. And yes, they should work for people who have a hearing loss caused by anatomical damage to the ear, but an intact auditory nerve I believe.
@@PassionforSound I don't know much about auditory neuropathy, but the percussionist Evelyn Glennie is an interesting case; deaf from age 12 & world class.
Some headphone/microphone manufacturer's also make hearing aids.; so I was just guessing as to any potential for a hybrid Bone conductor/IEM or headphone for that matter.
Thanks for your response ✌😎👍
It would make sense. Apparently, Beethoven used bone conduction via a metal rod from the piano to his head to hear what he was up to.
+earplugs??.. is this an idea??
Aftershokz supplies earplugs with their Conductors
Yes, all of these types of devices seem to come with earplugs. It's a great idea if you're swimming, but beyond that, why not just buy IEMs?
@Passion for Sound .. on that.. I got IE600s 2 weeks ago off back of reviews. Yours included. Coming from Galaxy buds and WH-XM3s they certainly have been showing me another side of detail to my music. I can say for definite that they are a gift (to myself) that will keep on giving.
That's great news! So glad you're enjoying them
They are most commonly called, bonephones.
Haha. I love that!! Thank you
No, they are not bone conducting earphones they are flesh conducting earphones. Very little of the energy goes into bone and is not really conducted that way, but through the skin and flesh they are actually contacting.
I'm not sure that flesh or skin actually conduct sound, Ravi. Sound won't travel well through soft, elastic surfaces like skin and flesh. These might not be high-end bone conduction like some advanced comms devices, but I think you're overstating the issue here. If you have specific expertise and evidence in this area, please do correct me.
Isn't bone conduction how we feel very low frequencies when using regular headphones/IEM's?
Some sound is definitely carried via bone, but I don't recall now exactly which frequencies travel most efficiently through the bones
@@PassionforSound Well the earphones don't contact any bone, so have to go through skin and flesh to get to the bone in the first place. Then the ear drums and inner parts of the ear is not directly connected to bone either, so it will have to go through other substances than bone again... If you had transducers connected to your teeth it would be another matter :-)
@@RaviNewfarm You can indeed "Hear" some of the sound when you bite them.
Interesting name haha
Not if you're a jellyfish.
LOL. No, probably not 😂
Pronounced like Narz, not Nass 🙂 But cool FR simulation though and showing us how that might sound - great idea
Thanks for the pronunciation tip - I always wondered that. Glad the simulation worked ok