Best of Both Worlds: Building A GM Smallblock With A Modern LS Top - Horsepower S14, E7

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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
  • Something unique even for HorsePower: a GM smallblock built with the sturdy, old-style 350 block and the more modern LS top end. What kind of power will this hybrid make? The results might amaze.

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  • @matthewpettit4367
    @matthewpettit4367 3 года назад +54

    Those lifters and rockers are fresh, fresh on their way out with the way they sounded on those runs. Ouch !!! Would not want my engine sounding like it's got a half a quart of oil in it lol.

    • @V8VRUte
      @V8VRUte 3 года назад +6

      I didn't catch what brand they were, I used some comp lifters in an LS3 once, they were a zero preload lifter design, sounded like a damn sewing machine, but they worked just fine. I'd never use them again, but owner didn't mind the noise.

    • @gonzalezgrant
      @gonzalezgrant 3 года назад +7

      Most likely the wrong push rod length im guessing 😅

    • @joe8397
      @joe8397 2 года назад +2

      Floating wrist pins is the noise

    • @donaldalbershardt6854
      @donaldalbershardt6854 Год назад +2

      @@V8VRUte The Older in the 80's TRW 1/4 Turn Racing Hydraulic Lifters were AWESOME..Very Quite and Revved like Solids I actually used one Set in 2 different Motors ..Had them Re-Surfaced after the first Motor with 80+ k miles ..Sold the Second Motor in the Truck after 45k miles ..At that time Standard Lifters were like $2.50. EA. The TRW's were $7.50 EA. Worth every Penny of that .

  • @stevemartinson7261
    @stevemartinson7261 2 года назад +115

    Actually have been building these for over a decade now, we even built a Magnuson supercharged version that made 755 lb-ft of torque. Coil on plug ignition with a FAST ECM. If you have any questions on how we did it just reply here and I will send you some info! The engine was featured in the August 2011 issue of Muscle Car Power Magazine. There is also an article in LSx magazine.

  • @mcqueenfanman
    @mcqueenfanman 3 года назад +89

    They should have made LS heads fit the sbc. Would have sold more..

    • @dclsxfactory7823
      @dclsxfactory7823 3 года назад +16

      I agree totally stupid, and also to not make it a 6 bolt LSX pattern on the block. Midas well just build a 6.0 iron block LS

    • @Shutchohole
      @Shutchohole 3 года назад +5

      They explained why things are the way that they are. It's for race applications that require distributors and other older parts.
      The differences in water jackets, deck heights, intake ports etc, may have made things less than ideal.
      My takeaway from this, is it's for racing applications that require certain things like a distributor. For all other applications, use a run of the mill LS.

    • @holmes1956O
      @holmes1956O 3 года назад +5

      @@Shutchohole so just put a distributor on an LS

    • @LSswapGarage1
      @LSswapGarage1 3 года назад +7

      @@Shutchohole They make a timing cover to run a distributor on an LS.... circle track has been using it for years. The problem here is this episode is probably 10 or 15 years ago lol.

    • @cdchevyboi937
      @cdchevyboi937 3 года назад

      Yea they should have done that a long time ago

  • @richardfinney3179
    @richardfinney3179 2 года назад +1

    When it comes to beautiful jewelery in the motor AND dependableity CROWER IS THE STUFF I USE Bruce Crower was a total genius at making stuff that is top notch his son fallows suit US made with pride quality there only product

  • @philliphawkins3062
    @philliphawkins3062 3 года назад +46

    Seems like a lot of trouble and expense for the privilege of keeping the distributor

    • @mattcossel29
      @mattcossel29 3 года назад +2

      Is it really a privilege?

    • @Vgk36
      @Vgk36 3 года назад +6

      @@mattcossel29 he was being sarcastic .
      Lord does he have to spell it out for you .

    • @spiritzweispirit1st638
      @spiritzweispirit1st638 3 года назад +5

      _ Both were being sarcastic 😶🤙

    • @INSIDIOUS1986
      @INSIDIOUS1986 3 года назад

      you don't have to run it though. lots of benefits to this block style

    • @resistorstudios
      @resistorstudios 3 года назад +1

      I really like the old HEI distributor. It’s just what I know.

  • @grapeseed427
    @grapeseed427 6 месяцев назад +14

    This show stirs up nostalgia. Feels like a 1998 Saturday morning

  • @pizzandoughnutspage7817
    @pizzandoughnutspage7817 3 года назад +54

    I think it’s a cool build, but I would’ve used different lifters that’s for sure. Morel, Jesel or Crane, had to many problems with comp stuff, and I’m not the only one either.

    • @shadowopsairman1583
      @shadowopsairman1583 2 года назад +4

      Comp is overrated to me

    • @wateverit8ks342
      @wateverit8ks342 2 года назад +9

      You can here the thing tickin already. Probably them lifters .

    • @supershop6831
      @supershop6831 2 года назад +9

      @@wateverit8ks342 I was thinking 🤔 the same dam thing!!! That motor is ticking like a watch ⌚ 😳

    • @pumpkin12030
      @pumpkin12030 2 года назад +2

      I just used comp lifter's in my retro solid roller engine. 500 dollars so I'll report back if there's any issues. I went Edelbrock and compcams on everything for a old 350. IDK what the horsepower will be ? Any guesses?

    • @zAvAvAz
      @zAvAvAz 2 года назад +2

      @@pumpkin12030 480 horsepower and 480 torque. and if it really is just an ole stock block 350 , faive hudret hose powa! As soon as i just now realised you said solid roller, well hmm could be 450hp or 750 really no tellin unless umm, lets see, super victor intake, 14:1 compression, victor ported heads big solid roller cam, umm 625hp+ on the engine alone no power adders? oh, oh , oh wait you said 'retro' solid roller, hmmm, guessing edelbrock Victor JR heads, or did you get rpm heads? hmmm, lets see if you got vic heads , 11:1 , solid roller, victor jr intake, hmmm i would say more than 500hp+ easy. if it has rpm heads , and rpm intake, and smaller streetable comp retro solid roller cam i say 465hp to 475hp, and 460t-to-480 tq.

  • @dielauwen
    @dielauwen 3 года назад +116

    No real advantage to the hybrid motor. Get some aftermarket heads that outflow the LS stuff and build a SB shortblock. Less expensive and easier. Hard to beat the old SB.

    • @shadowopsairman1583
      @shadowopsairman1583 2 года назад +6

      That's if you have a non damaged Gen 1/Gen 2, 4 bolt otherwise Gen 3/4/5 swap.

    • @RJGPG
      @RJGPG 2 года назад +25

      Easy to beat a sbc, actually. A stock 5.3 will run circles around equivalent stock sbc, if you can even find them anymore.

    • @theeoddments960
      @theeoddments960 2 года назад +4

      Jesus does anyone know what the fuck an entertainment video is nowadays?

    • @BruceLee-xn3nn
      @BruceLee-xn3nn 2 года назад +10

      People on marketplace are asking too much for them. I bought whole ls 6.0 Yukon Denali (bad trans but running) for what some want for old sbc

    • @JohnSmith-um5px
      @JohnSmith-um5px 2 года назад +4

      You get a more stable valve train while retaining the original mounts so it's perfect for me. I have a 70 rs camaro and I want to build an engine that will Rev high for a long time but one day I want to restore it to original and take it to auction

  • @LucasMullins-j4y
    @LucasMullins-j4y 8 месяцев назад +3

    To me the only purpose for this set up is a hot rod that you already have a small block in and don't want to redo the motor mounts, and fab work!

    • @flinch622
      @flinch622 2 месяца назад

      For me... this block is the chance to use solid flat tappets with an LS head. Lose a bunch of hyd/roller mass and maybe gain an extra 1500 controllable rpm with the right grind/spring choices. Can't use offsets in anything but a roller, so I'm excited about this combo for other than the half swap LS factor, which is what this video centered on [unfortunately]. Go 13 degree on a set of gen1 style heads and that gets expensive - this combo can get you there for less.

  • @spiritzweispirit1st638
    @spiritzweispirit1st638 3 года назад +3

    Thank You! Awesome Motor, and Build!🔧🔩🇺🇸

  • @jasonh9957
    @jasonh9957 3 года назад +21

    Wow! Can't wait for the next episode... overhead valve conversion and LS style heads for the flathead Ford!!! You're killing it, World Products!

    • @Shutchohole
      @Shutchohole 3 года назад +2

      LS head the WORLD!

    • @barbar9919
      @barbar9919 3 года назад +2

      I was thinking of non push rod Chevy v8 😂 did they ever make one

    • @400ss
      @400ss 3 года назад +3

      Iirc, Mercury Marine had some sort of LS DOHC conversión about a decade ago or so.

    • @hawkdsl
      @hawkdsl 3 года назад +1

      @@barbar9919 Blaspheme. Thy Shall Not Speak Of it!

    • @theeoddments960
      @theeoddments960 2 года назад

      @@barbar9919 never besides the new one

  • @lifestoshortbed5027
    @lifestoshortbed5027 3 года назад +4

    Nice sewing machine. You guys nailed it 👌

    • @gneric85
      @gneric85 3 года назад +2

      That isn't a Chevy, it's a Singer

    • @dennisyoung4631
      @dennisyoung4631 Год назад

      “…. Or a SailRite LSZ-1!” (I have one.)

  • @codyramos3200
    @codyramos3200 2 года назад +4

    Well if you can fit ls heads on a 351w with little modification. .it's no surprise the sbc can get ls heads too.

  • @ConcussedGaming
    @ConcussedGaming 2 года назад +25

    This is insane. Can't believe this thing has been around for a decade and I hadn't ever hear of it.

    • @milojanis4901
      @milojanis4901 2 года назад +2

      World Products came up with this closer to 15 years ago, not 10

  • @kennethpowers8995
    @kennethpowers8995 3 года назад +18

    A conversation piece is the only benefit of this I see lol. Even a stock junkyard 5.3 will handle more power than 90% of SBC’s so why use a SBC bottom end.

    • @INSIDIOUS1986
      @INSIDIOUS1986 3 года назад +2

      they were putting out 1000+ hp 50+ years ago. Exactly what do they handle better that a sbc hasn't done millions of times before?

    • @INSIDIOUS1986
      @INSIDIOUS1986 3 года назад +2

      @O. Stone they were doing it with less than 5L back then too with 60s tech which was barely better than stock. there's nothing star spangled awesome about your ls engines that hasnt already been done 10,000 ways to Tuesday. The only difference is now idiots can do it by mindlessly bolting things on without knowing a thing about engines.

    • @whiplash0567
      @whiplash0567 3 года назад +2

      @@INSIDIOUS1986 no lol those blocks from the factory couldn't handle that kind of power, much less make said power, go flow your camel hump heads, then flow a set of 243/799 heads and see the difference for yourself.

    • @INSIDIOUS1986
      @INSIDIOUS1986 3 года назад +4

      @@whiplash0567 207ci 1300hp twin turboed in the 70s with stone age tech.
      you have your foot pretty far in your mouth so far

    • @whiplash0567
      @whiplash0567 3 года назад +1

      @@INSIDIOUS1986 yea right. i guess thats why everyone knows about this legendary 207ci motor that the drag racing world worships. Next you're gonna try to tell me you had a 66' mustang with a 289 that would jump a coke bottle off the line 😂

  • @mikewhite4541
    @mikewhite4541 3 года назад +113

    Is it just me or is the lifters already tapping? Lmao

    • @AutoBikeTruck
      @AutoBikeTruck 3 года назад +10

      Your Right Mike White Ticking Time B

    • @JoeRocket-sf6qs
      @JoeRocket-sf6qs 3 года назад +7

      They sure are I saw the puff of smoke then they started a tap, tap tapin' lol.

    • @GearheadOutlaw
      @GearheadOutlaw 3 года назад +23

      Wrong pushrod length

    • @shadowopsairman1583
      @shadowopsairman1583 3 года назад +10

      @@GearheadOutlaw that or rocker ratio. SBC can be adjusted on fly LS is 1 shot.

    • @shadowopsairman1583
      @shadowopsairman1583 3 года назад +5

      Let me guess you support the corner cutter.

  • @markg1495
    @markg1495 3 года назад +28

    A prom programmed for your engine? Damn aged itself hard there 😂

    • @ericmuhlbeier8023
      @ericmuhlbeier8023 3 года назад +5

      Glad I'm not that only one who caught that

    • @justplanefred
      @justplanefred 3 года назад +3

      I was thinking the same thing... so if you change cams when they have more than one for this bastard child of GM motors you need to get a new prom burned... Why not just use a terminator X or similar type of system and get it changed without buying more expensive crap plus it can control fuel injection too if you want.

    • @rogerowens5669
      @rogerowens5669 3 года назад

      You guys are kidding right this is just a highly glorified commercial

    • @rogerowens5669
      @rogerowens5669 3 года назад

      Hey why don't we just use the money and go buy a cup motor

    • @allanb3222
      @allanb3222 3 года назад

      @@justplanefred Because this episode was 10 years ago.

  • @scottbrooklyn2995
    @scottbrooklyn2995 Год назад +4

    I got a 383 with forged pistons and Afr heads. I already know how to spend a fortune.

  • @WallaceCustomMotors
    @WallaceCustomMotors 2 года назад +7

    Awesome video! Love the way you guys do your videos. And also keep the awesome weird stuff coming Motown! Always wanted to do this same kind of thing…

  • @n.b.p.davenport7066
    @n.b.p.davenport7066 3 года назад +1

    After all these years struggling with gaskets they finally making a decent gasket

  • @308scoutrfl
    @308scoutrfl 3 года назад +35

    Man...that older guy always sounds like he's hammered

    • @turdferguson4124
      @turdferguson4124 3 года назад

      LOL

    • @JoeRocket-sf6qs
      @JoeRocket-sf6qs 3 года назад

      Slurrin all over the place lol ah well nice work if you can get it lol.

    • @young11984
      @young11984 3 года назад

      Have to be to build an engine of this expense with a cast iron cam gear and post a video of an engine that sounds like its running on bubble wrap

    • @aaronhuskey8581
      @aaronhuskey8581 3 года назад +4

      Dentures.

    • @flinch622
      @flinch622 3 года назад

      Nah, he's in "maintenance" mode on these shoots.

  • @danieldimitri6133
    @danieldimitri6133 3 года назад +11

    I used to think these blocks were a good idea. But it turns out stock internals are just fine on engines without detonation problems and the ls parts are well designed. While the sbc has an oil pump that doesnt eat much power the ls has ventilation between cylinders, larger cam core, a cross bolted skirted block for noise rejection and main cap stability etc... The ls has proven that the importance of a forged crank in anything but a split pin v6 is highly over rated and if you don't have to buy racecar parts then why do it? The aftermarket has addressed the oil pan situation and the lack of a distributor and even with the hybrid block headers are still a consideration and now brackets can be an issue where they wouldn't be with a true full ls. I mean if you just love distributors mechanical fuel pumps it might seem like a good idea but for the cost of an aftermarket block you could just buy afr heads and keep the 23 degree setup. Heck you could but 15 or 13 degree race heads or some used sb2 or 18 degree heads.

  • @mattbrandel
    @mattbrandel 3 года назад +1

    I'm not the only one that heard it knocking like a jw on Saturday morning, am i?

  • @ScrubBeiber101
    @ScrubBeiber101 Год назад

    Neat, money money money. That being said it sounds like the 53 year old 292 in my farm truck. Makes decent power though I just can't get over that lifter sound.

  • @bryang9158
    @bryang9158 2 года назад +2

    Sounds good at first ,but it's a bad deal a stock alum ls block has been proven to handle 1400 hp or more ,so you will end up spending more money for less ,makes bad sence

  • @jimciancio9005
    @jimciancio9005 3 года назад +5

    Think they'd make them the other way around but I guess we can't argue with progress??? Why don't they just re-design a LS style head to fit any stock small (block) bolt patterns. BUT I'm sure there's plenty of other issues with cooling flow and other minor things.

  • @flinch622
    @flinch622 3 года назад +1

    Accessories, accessories. I would have put those adapter plates near the rear of the motor and snuck a return pipe under the manifold attached to that valley cover. Why... I might even be able to stick with oem radiator hoses. This build could put alternator and power steering down low but I want my air conditioning - damn the critics!

  • @billhartsfield424
    @billhartsfield424 3 года назад +45

    I’m guessing that new block is worth more than a good running LS.

    • @anthonymason701
      @anthonymason701 3 года назад +17

      Worth more? Nah... costs more? ABSOLUTELY

    • @mastertek383
      @mastertek383 3 года назад +8

      Yeah this makes no sense at all except for those certain racing classes

    • @richardsanborn7963
      @richardsanborn7963 6 месяцев назад

      concidering a gen 4 lq4 out of a junk yaRD WITH 20,000 MILES ON IT CAM SPRINGS AND INTAKE INJECTERS 2 TURBOS AND tune gets you a 1000 hp yeah🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 some like to spend it why i dont know!

  • @johnalarcon5006
    @johnalarcon5006 2 года назад +3

    If they wanted to get 5 to 8 more horsepower they should have installed a 1 inch carb spacer plate only because those butter flys on the carb should be above to top of the runners and not even with them , also they should side gap all the plugs to expose the spark directly to the combustion chambers .

  • @xmo552
    @xmo552 3 года назад +7

    I love love love the sbc. But I seriously don't see the point to this custom block.

    • @loundclear9279
      @loundclear9279 3 года назад +1

      You get a little more crank shaft choices

  • @frankierutherford1888
    @frankierutherford1888 3 года назад +8

    Sounds like you have some lifters taping. Nice hp tho. 🔨

  • @nojunkwork5735
    @nojunkwork5735 3 года назад +14

    They do all these projects but never fess up to what it all costs. For the price of the special block and crank along with the rods pistons cam and lifters, you could probably build at least two 600 hp LS motors to put that set of LS heads on.

    • @yeanah2571
      @yeanah2571 3 года назад +1

      Looked it up, $2,600ish. Big ole yikes. You could make a junkyard monster for that.

    • @79huddy
      @79huddy 3 года назад +1

      @@yeanah2571 this is more of a circle track endurance engine to be ran hard for a whole season before freshened up not really a budget dragracing engine hence the low compression JE Pistons made to run all night without seeing the south side of 5000rpm unless your under caution or loading it on the trailer

    • @thirdeyeminds59
      @thirdeyeminds59 3 года назад

      I built one it ant cheap

    • @aaronmcilvain8077
      @aaronmcilvain8077 3 года назад +2

      You could just build a 500 hp old school 350 for cheaper then this

    • @rodneypratt7082
      @rodneypratt7082 3 года назад

      Yeah I'm clueless cuz I'm not a car guy I just like Beauty in the cars and the people that have the passion that's cool but I have no idea what things cost because you know I drive a fucking Toyota. It gets me where I need to get I want to drive to New Orleans for the weekend no problem

  • @eribertoacedo9505
    @eribertoacedo9505 3 года назад +7

    My small block I used Eskandarian camshaft along with their anti-pump up lifters works like solid lifters but hydraulic bad ass, my 327 is now up-to-date as far as that goes turbo 400 Street shift kit 373 true track rear end. In a 1940 Ford deluxe two door coupe! Yeah.

    • @richardsanborn7963
      @richardsanborn7963 6 месяцев назад +1

      you lose a lot of torque running a turbo 400 with a small block especially a short throw small block to heavy of internals it robs the power big time a Turbo 350 built is sufficient!

  • @xXcashXx3
    @xXcashXx3 3 года назад +3

    Pay more money to put LS parts on a outdated block instead of just buying a LS and not get any of the LS advantages

    • @josefrobbins8781
      @josefrobbins8781 2 года назад

      It's not just an "outdated block" It's practically impossible to make LS parts work on an old small block, so they literally had to make a "completely new iron small" block to accept LS parts while accommodating Small Block parts as well...the absolute absurdity is beyond my f*cking comprehension.

  • @mick_1949
    @mick_1949 3 года назад +1

    I love that small block

  • @corbanmadson7239
    @corbanmadson7239 3 года назад +3

    Then there's guys like me with open pipes😁

  • @kylemilligan752
    @kylemilligan752 2 года назад +6

    Sorry guys. We get rectangle port 6.0 core motors for $500. They have 4bolt mains with 2 more crossbolts from the oil pan rail. A msd ls box is about $450. This video is a waste of money

  • @gordocarbo
    @gordocarbo 6 месяцев назад

    Kick azz upgrade, you haters make it obvious you dont even own a car yet lol
    Cheaper than doing an SB2.2.....guessing we would have to buy pistons for 15 deg heads?
    Like this, can have huge airflow and not have to change everything. Carb and HEI would be my choice.
    Solid roller, of course!!

  • @lapieces
    @lapieces 3 года назад +7

    did he just say."inverted dome pistons?" dished is not woke enough ?

    • @slappopotamus1001
      @slappopotamus1001 3 года назад +2

      Inverted dome is different than dished. Inverted dome has a dish that is shaped to mirror the shape of the combustion chamber. Dish refers to a circular depression in the piston crown.

    • @lapieces
      @lapieces 3 года назад +2

      @@slappopotamus1001 ahh, but it's still a dish, isn't it?

  • @chrisblaylock3922
    @chrisblaylock3922 3 месяца назад +3

    RIP Joe. You will be missed.

  • @joegelencser2571
    @joegelencser2571 2 года назад +1

    Awesome but money's no object to you guys I like your show could you sponsor me in a build?

  • @poedameron8198
    @poedameron8198 Год назад +1

    Easy roller cam conversion by just using the cam and lifter kit on any old 350 block you might have in your backyard. 🤔🤔

  • @bobdobalina8910
    @bobdobalina8910 Год назад +1

    Interesting, just wish, with these types of builds, they would include the costs. I realize that Labour can be subjective and can vary from location to location, but it would be nice, when they put these beasts together, to have a Cost, even breakdown, so us plebes could get a better appreciation of where we stand. Is it UnObtanium with a Dash of Not Gonna Happen? Or is it within the realm of possibilities, if I eat Macaroni for a year to scrape up the dough to make it happen.

    • @SOLDOZER
      @SOLDOZER 10 месяцев назад +1

      Wellll...........the bare block is $3400 for starters.

  • @lifestoshortbed5027
    @lifestoshortbed5027 3 года назад +27

    They make these things called swap mounts. Craziness

    • @177SCmaro
      @177SCmaro 3 года назад +6

      lol. Yeah, unless you just want a weird engine or to comply with some dumb rule in some niche racing class I'm not sure what the advantage to this would be. That block has to cost way more than motor mounts and the LS bottom end uses 6 bolt mains, which are stronger than even splayed 4 bolt, and all modern seals. They also make exceptionally well flowing heads if you have an old-school small block and you need heads. It's neat but I don't see this catching on.

    • @johnbowen2963
      @johnbowen2963 3 года назад

      LOLOLOLOL

    • @Shutchohole
      @Shutchohole 3 года назад

      You have things called ears. They explained this is for restrictive rules in racing.

    • @177SCmaro
      @177SCmaro 3 года назад

      @@Shutchohole
      We heard the reason they gave, it's just kind of a dumb reason. This is about the most expensive way you could comply with a "must run a distributor" rule, ect.

    • @holmes1956O
      @holmes1956O 3 года назад +2

      @@Shutchohole no they didnt go back and listen to it again. They did mention a racing class that requires a distributor. You can buy a distributor kit for an LS cheaper than this abortion

  • @phantomnus
    @phantomnus 3 года назад +15

    Disturb the peace, I wonder how much that engine cost

    • @kevinroberts8441
      @kevinroberts8441 3 года назад +3

      Probably 10,000

    • @MyLonewolf25
      @MyLonewolf25 3 года назад +3

      Too much to be worth while when a ls has better engineering in total

    • @b.c4066
      @b.c4066 3 года назад +1

      More than a low mileage ly6 would cost

    • @michaelsclark
      @michaelsclark 3 года назад

      @@bigboreracing356 my ass is clean and what i have is a positive criticism. To buy a " special " sbc block to use with LS heads sounds about as bad as those lifters . I already have a built 350 which 350's aren't stock for 80's monte carlo's. With that said any time i order something i have to be careful if i do it online with the whole this does or doesn't fit yr car. I can't imagine trying to order stuff on the fly for this . Especially if you want to change brands. If it was a kit to fit any 350 that would be a whole different ball game. Just saying

    • @billyray4716
      @billyray4716 3 года назад

      About 3 times as much making 1/3 the power as a turbo 5.3 lmao

  • @shadowopsairman1583
    @shadowopsairman1583 2 года назад +1

    This is just a custom cast and milled gen 1 small block Chevrolet. People are wanting to do this with junkyard blocks but without having to mill it.

  • @dansharp9260
    @dansharp9260 Год назад

    That big single blade carb reminds me of an old predator single

  • @ne2i
    @ne2i 3 года назад +10

    Looks like you can get to the lifters without taking the heads off. A great advantage for racing.

    • @jonnybmx88
      @jonnybmx88 2 года назад +1

      Nope. Those heads got to come off to remove the valley cover. It would be great if we could have that ability.

  • @garykeenan3724
    @garykeenan3724 3 года назад

    That’s a cool half breed engine love it best of both worlds

  • @samspade4356
    @samspade4356 3 года назад +21

    An sbc with Ls heads is a great idea until you realize you can't mount accessories with the coolant crossovers in place.

    • @177SCmaro
      @177SCmaro 3 года назад +2

      Pitch Meeting guy: whoops
      Pitch Meeting exec: whoopsie

    • @shadowopsairman1583
      @shadowopsairman1583 2 года назад +3

      This is a custom milled block, nothing really says gen1 about it anymore

    • @patrioticaussiesams8581
      @patrioticaussiesams8581 2 года назад +1

      I agree that's the only downside, the guys who designed it forgot to design the Coolant system for the Thermostat housing. Still be a Interesting conversation at a car show when Ya open the bonnet

  • @quick455
    @quick455 Год назад +1

    I don't see the point in this unless you just want to be different. The LS 6 bolt caps will hold more power than even a splayed cap SBC. As long as you're not moon tuning the LS you can hold 700-800 all day long on stock internals and 1000+ 7500rpm+ on forged gear.

  • @chrisbarrientes9508
    @chrisbarrientes9508 3 года назад +5

    Nothing in common with the old SBC but alot in common with a and 351w. Thrust bearing in the center, equal length ports, and same head design with 10 headbolts. I work at a machine shop for a living so I know.

  • @JoeRocket-sf6qs
    @JoeRocket-sf6qs 3 года назад +3

    That engine blew up on the dyno f.f.s ,lol maybe it's just the way Chevys sound....no.. no.. that's not it.its a cheaters engine anyway.

  • @jimclarke1108
    @jimclarke1108 3 года назад +1

    Perfect combo

  • @TheMailmanOfSteel
    @TheMailmanOfSteel 3 года назад

    Forgot how old this episode is. We don't have to do this to run a dizzy on an LS anymore.

  • @jamesgravel7755
    @jamesgravel7755 3 года назад +3

    Ooooo you just need that Motown block to make it work. No way. Let me get on that nonsense. Dumb

    • @xmo552
      @xmo552 3 года назад +2

      @@bigboreracing356
      You sure are on that Godzilla D.
      How many times did you mention it?

  • @CJColvin
    @CJColvin 2 года назад

    This would be a great engine for the 66 to 69 Beaumont SD Eh 🇨🇦

  • @parrot69777
    @parrot69777 2 года назад +1

    With the money they have in this....you can get 500 hp out a well built 350 SBC.

  • @andrewbrown8927
    @andrewbrown8927 3 года назад +3

    This is so stupid there is a reason the 350 was replaced. Just build and ls the right way and save yourself 10 grand

    • @chadalac1977
      @chadalac1977 3 года назад

      How do you make an ls non efi have a distributor and non fuel injected for street stock racing ?? They dont allow computers or msd boxes? Guys are spending 10 to 15k building sbc stuff !

  • @ryanalder9691
    @ryanalder9691 2 года назад +3

    Looks interesting but what do you do when it comes time to bolt your accessories on? Appears cylinder heads and coolant tubes will cause issue?

  • @joshtheking1772
    @joshtheking1772 3 года назад +5

    I dont get it. Why do that? It's almost a novelty to do this. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. The LS parts are cheaper than most SBC parts are. I'm sorry but the best reason to switch over to LS is the 6 bolt mains and a 55mm cam core that doesn't kill the lifters and bend the pushrods. Not to mention the LS package is smaller in overall size.
    There, I'm sorry, but I just had to speak my mind on this one. The LS engines respond better to cam and head combinations, and you take that away when you do this.

    • @AutoBikeTruck
      @AutoBikeTruck 3 года назад

      You are So Right !! Josh Goode !!

    • @b.c4066
      @b.c4066 3 года назад

      Used junkyard ls parts are cheaper. Buying new parts it's quite a bit cheaper to put a gen1 sbc short block together. If building from scratch with all new parts that is

    • @chadalac1977
      @chadalac1977 3 года назад +1

      How do you make an ls be a cam driven hei distributor, non efi and non fuel injected basically no computers no msd ? I just wonder cause that's the rules in some classes bud ! I know ump street stocks it's a rule n dudes drop 10 to 15k on engines!

    • @holmes1956O
      @holmes1956O 3 года назад

      @@chadalac1977 the parts are out there to do everything you asked. Just look for them its called google

    • @chadalac1977
      @chadalac1977 3 года назад

      @@holmes1956O I'm just wondering why no hot dogs in our ump street stock classes around Illinois and Indiana are not running them!

  • @cdshawn
    @cdshawn Год назад +1

    To me their show is like car p***, their budgets are Unlimited their workspaces impeccably clean and they always get brand new parts from big name companies making it nothing but car p***

  • @johnkrucar2119
    @johnkrucar2119 Месяц назад

    Sounds like it has a bad lifter tick! Crazy on new engine! Needs morel lifters

  • @INSIDIOUS1986
    @INSIDIOUS1986 3 года назад +5

    without the long skirt of the ls block, these will actually make more power over a comparable ls motor since windage is vastly reduced

  • @HERodriguezJr
    @HERodriguezJr 3 года назад +2

    Cool, but small block should stay small block (my preference) and ls should stay ls.

  • @zAvAvAz
    @zAvAvAz 3 года назад +1

    No exaggeration , those Pro system SV-1 single blade carbs are super Snappy, i have heard transmission input shafts snapping and driveshafts breakage. An incredible part. Note this airing of episode was 2010 i have learned from the comments below.

  • @RAWRMotorsports
    @RAWRMotorsports 2 года назад +1

    Shoulda just built a old 4 bolt 350 with some good heads for less than half the cost of this morfodite shit

  • @michaelbenardo5695
    @michaelbenardo5695 7 месяцев назад

    I have long wondered how modern engines can get away with skirtless pistons. What keeps them from trying cock left and right?

  • @adventuresofabbott4374
    @adventuresofabbott4374 3 года назад +3

    To everybody asking why? Because of horsepower losses from oil windage. A LS deep skirt is far superior for strength, esp under forced air, but the air and oil doesntt move around as well. This setup is extremely niche', purpose built, class rules beating that actually works. But for 99.999% of the enthusiast, it is pointless

  • @limabravo6065
    @limabravo6065 Год назад +2

    The “Secret” to the Ls engines power potential is in the heads. Factory LS heads flow the kind of air that big dollar aftermarket heads do for the gen 1 sbc. So those who say that a decent set of heads on a standard small block is every bit as good as an LS, doesn’t understand the limitations of the og small block (max cam lift especially when using a hydraulic roller, cooling issues especially with the siamesed exhaust ports). these are really only limitations when compared to modern engines ie the LS, a small block can make more than enough grunt for the street, that power is just easier to produce with an LS

    • @richardsanborn7963
      @richardsanborn7963 6 месяцев назад

      and tight tolerancesw and balancing theyre made by robots unlike its daddy the sbc they improved every bad thing a sbc had wrong with it why go back to the dinosour ages doesnt make any sense!

  • @rollydoucet8909
    @rollydoucet8909 2 года назад +5

    This concept seemed quite interesting and feasible ay the time, but it never seemed to catch on. We do roughly 80 to 90 builds each year, and we're building many small blocks from 383 to 427 and even a couple of 434's. As well, we do a few LS motors, but we've never had anyone approach us for this Chevy/LS combo. World Products produced a 1st gen block with the LS bolt pattern decks, and I expected that idea to gain some speed. The selling point was fitting LS technology into early Chevys without having to modify the crossmember and engine mounts etc. Now that several companies offer beefier LS blocks, no one seems interested in mounting LS top ends on early blocks

    • @stephenhodge6441
      @stephenhodge6441 2 года назад +1

      If the only benefit would be motor mounts and cross member then it doesn't make sense. Those items are super cheap compared to trying to build this over a regular LS with swap parts.

    • @MuricanMan
      @MuricanMan Год назад +1

      Well considering a sbc block only cost me $200, same for a LS. Would be hard for me to justify $3300 for a block.

    • @rollydoucet8909
      @rollydoucet8909 Год назад

      @@stephenhodge6441 First Gen Camaros also had steering components behind the crossmember, making oil pan clearance another issue.

    • @SOLDOZER
      @SOLDOZER 10 месяцев назад

      The problem is not the idea, the problem is the cost.

  • @rustedratchetgarage6788
    @rustedratchetgarage6788 3 года назад +3

    This is such a waste of time why would you go from a 6-bolt cross bolted main to a 4 bolt or even worse 2 bolt main and be limited to under 425ci

    • @adventuresofabbott4374
      @adventuresofabbott4374 3 года назад +1

      Windage. With the deep skirts, a LS while stronger, doesnt move the air and oil under the pistons as well. This setup is extremely niche, class racing, but in those circumstances there is an advantage

    • @richardturner8630
      @richardturner8630 3 года назад

      Its just for some class specific race car stuff, circletrack and drag.

  • @dexterplant778
    @dexterplant778 3 года назад +7

    So you have to get an entire new block! Seriously what's the point?

    • @MyLonewolf25
      @MyLonewolf25 3 года назад +3

      Solution looking for a problem

    • @jkirk7811
      @jkirk7811 3 года назад +1

      @@bigboreracing356 you do realise the 7.0 Ls7 has 505 horsepower and you can get one for 4k right? And the 7.3 Godzilla is 430 horsepower and cost 7k. And the godzilla is a almost direct copy of a L.s being a pushrod v8 that's very similar. And there's almost 0 aftermarket for Ford and endless for GM. You can also get a used Ls7 very cheap. I'm not even a brand loyal gm guy and know that.

    • @177SCmaro
      @177SCmaro 3 года назад +1

      @@jkirk7811 You can also just get a big block chevy and have more displacement and power than an LS7. Does that mean we shouldn't bother with the LS7?
      Not everyone cares about $/hp. The Godzilla is the new thing. I hope people start playing with it.
      It's also not a copy of the LS. It's designed to be an option to the powerstroke in pickups. And given how nuts they've gone with all this emission stuff on diesels I'd say the Godzilla is a welcome alternative.

    • @daddyschainsjewelry
      @daddyschainsjewelry 3 года назад

      The episodes are 10 years old

    • @flinch622
      @flinch622 3 года назад +1

      Oh... priming the block is easier for one, and there is a bunch of gen 1 parts to choose from for the bottom end. Little things like oil pan design/clearancing for certain muscle cars would make this a good way to enjoy a set of LS heads without getting into alot of odd details and extra fitment issues.
      This project is for somebody going to build a new motor anyway, not refresh an old workhorse.

  • @LTJohn
    @LTJohn 3 года назад +1

    They should have played the song Best of both worlds by Van Halen on this episode. 🤣🤣

    • @JohnDoe-mx1sq
      @JohnDoe-mx1sq 3 года назад

      Maybe something by Hannah Montana.

  • @captainsledge7554
    @captainsledge7554 11 месяцев назад +1

    I mean.. u can put the ls in just about anything old school with 50 dollar adaptor plates lol but... this is cool as shit lol

  • @paintballhallic
    @paintballhallic 3 года назад +1

    Wish they would give parts lists when they make these videos. When they don't give a list how are people going to know what combination of parts to build with.

  • @bmstylee
    @bmstylee 3 года назад +1

    This decibel meter is helpful. Why don't manufacturers give us this information so we actually know how loud something is? Instead of mild or aggressive.

    • @sparkplug1018
      @sparkplug1018 3 года назад +1

      Because they can't rate it for everything it might go on. Test it on a beefy 350 in a Camaro, some guy puts it on a big block Chevelle and gets a different result, and starts whining about it.
      So just rate them mild or aggressive and save the headache.

  • @monroewoods7241
    @monroewoods7241 Год назад

    Is there one a single piece of that CF you've built that will fit either Chevy small block that you're calling a hybrid??????

  • @tonym1279
    @tonym1279 3 года назад +2

    So...about 600hp for......about $10k? $15k? You could make the same or more on a stock bottom end LS with a turbo for 1/2 what they spent on this build.

    • @daddyschainsjewelry
      @daddyschainsjewelry 2 года назад

      this episode is about 12 years old people didnt really know how good the ls was back then also people didnt know how to do it untill people started teaching how on youtube.

  • @nathanmcbride1462
    @nathanmcbride1462 3 года назад +1

    How is this the best of both worlds? I love the sbc but it’s bottom end is archaic in comparison to the LS. Factory roller cam. 6 bolt mains.

  • @milojanis4901
    @milojanis4901 2 года назад +6

    I'd guess the Gen 1 SBC lower end would be worth around 25-30hp, due to the LS engine having issues with bay to bay breathing.

  • @billywilliams6853
    @billywilliams6853 Год назад +1

    8:55. Where or How will you mount a Alternator??? Or A.C. compressor ???

  • @stanleykendziorski7964
    @stanleykendziorski7964 Год назад

    Look at that, makes similar power to an ls.. it's almost as if the magic of the LS is in the heads

  • @danstomber1664
    @danstomber1664 3 года назад +2

    Yes all the discriminating engine builders use plastia gage, on the right track now

  • @hoonaticbloggs5402
    @hoonaticbloggs5402 3 года назад +5

    A lot of effort for a ‘conversation piece’

    • @hydrocarbon82
      @hydrocarbon82 3 года назад

      I'd rather my conversation be about my LS7 or all aluminum BBC rather than a $2500 iron SBC with a $3500 crank with less stroke than a stock 5.3 LS. All I can surmise is World Products must have [had] a powerful boomer in their management to make this happen.

  • @mikewslshwalsh5185
    @mikewslshwalsh5185 3 года назад +1

    If that's all anybody can complain about us a sound of The lifters think the whole conception is a fantastic idea I am old school but I think that combination is awesome with some really nice parks

  • @captainbuttnuggets4786
    @captainbuttnuggets4786 3 года назад +5

    Cool but I will stay with my gen1 bc I don’t make 100k a year

  • @vaccumme
    @vaccumme 2 года назад

    Why would you waste an excellent Intake on an antiquated Short Block ?

  • @nathanielbolden5053
    @nathanielbolden5053 Год назад

    GM FTW!!!

  • @Kwaka28
    @Kwaka28 3 года назад +1

    You should put some ear buds in and have a good listen.. wow...sounds like it's got major lifter prob....need a louder exhaust so can't hear that rocker noise..😂

  • @rodney1818
    @rodney1818 27 дней назад

    3:15 Does that mean you can also put three fifty one windsor head on it

  • @anthonythorpe6212
    @anthonythorpe6212 2 года назад

    Mind blown!!!😳🤯😵

  • @justplanefred
    @justplanefred 3 года назад +1

    So how much is this build? And does it really meet the rule for the old SBC? I’m guessing if it does today and people start getting beat by it it will be written out of the rules

  • @SOLDOZER
    @SOLDOZER 10 месяцев назад

    You could buy a junkyard 6.0, put a cam in it and get the same numbers.

  • @0johnny082
    @0johnny082 3 года назад +3

    Isn't one of the best attributes of an ls the fact its a deep skirt block with side bolts for the mains? I think if you really wanted to run a distributor you could have a Gilmer belt driven one made up cheaper than the cost of the short block of that engine.

    • @milojanis4901
      @milojanis4901 2 года назад

      For strength-Yes.
      For bay to bay breathing-NO!!

    • @0johnny082
      @0johnny082 2 года назад

      @@milojanis4901 factory ls heads are far superior to the best sbc heads. Not sure what you mean by "Bay to bay"

  • @ftcentrepreneur
    @ftcentrepreneur 3 года назад +13

    So you cannot use an old block, you have to buy a new version of the old block.
    Smh. Just go with a real LS block and do it correctly.

    • @177SCmaro
      @177SCmaro 3 года назад +2

      lol, it is pretty funny when you think about it. You can also run a distributor on an LS if that's a rule in whatever slightly obscure racing class you find yourself in.

    • @ryantexada9269
      @ryantexada9269 3 года назад +4

      It's kinda pointless. By the time you go through all the trouble of buying the custom block, buying all the engine parts, buying a new custom grind cam and roller lifters anyway, and buying new heads and intake anyway
      You could've just built up a small block with just heads, cam, and intake and make close to the same if not more power and use the money you save for roller rockers, balanced bottom end, etc.

    • @Shade_tree_garage01
      @Shade_tree_garage01 3 года назад +2

      I’d rather have the old block and better parts.

  • @Mr_Hundredaire
    @Mr_Hundredaire 2 года назад +1

    Wow....let's go backwards in technology

  • @stephencox4509
    @stephencox4509 3 года назад +1

    When I see this, I can't help but wonder why anyone would do this besides the conversation piece aspect.

    • @joecook3223
      @joecook3223 3 года назад

      I think it's purely about getting better flowing heads onto a sbc for particular classes of racing that require you to have a distributor

  • @c.pc.5805
    @c.pc.5805 2 года назад +1

    Now this is a awesome setup. But can you hookup say alt p/s and a/c to it with factory mountain brackets???

  • @blackericdenice
    @blackericdenice 3 года назад

    No ARP bolts? I thought you guys didn’t build engines without them.