The autotune here is bad because is just sounds bad. It's a bad choice. However, I also don't like how your singer is singing like she's trapped in a squeaky cage, so maybe that's why you added it. Even still, her squeaky singing is better than how you applied autotune to it. Bleh!
I haven't heard the full arrangement yet, but I think the deepest vocal layer could've been left off. Perhaps it was _meant_ to sound monstrous… indeed a "generational timbre." That said, blanket hatred of autotune is like blind hatred of compression or overdrive on a guitar.
I think the complete opposite. Autotune for me is best as a vocal effect, not as a pitch correction device, when it is really noticeable and the whole vocal just floats away and as robotic as possible.
I like how Adam treats contemporary music trends/traditions(808's, autotune, sidechaining) with respect and uses them as inspiration instead of writing them off as junk like a lot of musicians do. I wish everyone in the industry had your openness and respect for music. May the Jazz Gods bless you (P.S.Could you do a video covering rhythmic patterns/claves in South African music, specifically in Gqom I think you would find it interesting and I would appreciate an outside opinion on our music since most people outside of Africa don't listen to it.)
Hey, I've heard of gqom recently, but know virtually nothing about it other than the name. Do you have any recommendations for where to start with the genre?
Rick Beato: Everything sounded much better way back when people actually had to play their instruments Adam Neely: *yeets his arrangements into Ableton*
@@MrFlippicat Rick beato: feel, rythmn, emotion on performance Adam Neely: harmonisation, arrangement, production techniques Of course both cover each other's areas but I think Adam can look at modern songs as they have lots of interesting arrangement and songwriting techniques but often performance wise relies on production over emotive performance.
Oliver Wattles Rick beato also thinks his fancy gold cables make a perceptible difference. He is smart and skilled but also clearly a pompous dismissive hairy nipple sometimes. Just in case anyone wants analysis on the cables thing: www.google.com/amp/s/www.soundguys.com/cable-myths-reviving-the-coathanger-test-23553/amp/
I like to think that a hundred years from now, when people teach jazz, they will teach about the importance of a certain lick that changed the world. The lick that helped to bridge the meme community with the jazz community thus making jazz popular and cool in the internet age. All thanks to some seven notes....
@The Stammering Dunce ah, i didn't know she studied music, i remember her saying she started a PhD in philosophy. Interesting that they both went on being successful youtubers.
7:44 IMHO with a degree in linguistics, the reaction may be less to autotune than that formants were shifted around. People are more familiar with blaming autotune, but formants are so key to perception of speech that people are very sensitive to any weirdness there. F2 correlates to "frontness" and F1 correlates, weirdly, to "lowness". If you drop F1 the vowel sounds higher (dress -> driss) , and if you drop F2 the vowel sounds farther back (dress -> dross). When you drop both, words sound both high (closed mouth) and backed (low tongue). Those usually don't happen together. The weirdness of comes from F1 being *inversely* related with vowel height.
This really helps me understand why the dropped formants give such an "unnatural" sound. At least for me, it's hard to even make a vowel sound with the mouth shape you described. Neato!
Neat theory but the fact is autotune is hated blindly because people imagine music to require abundant skill and they veiw this one technology as cheating that skill. Its bunk of course that alien monster sound is fantastic
@@el7284 you will need more than a refusal to accept it for me to believe what youre saying- itd be far too convenient. Oh no Im not a music snob it just is the one item in the entire effects library that sucks. bullshit.
@@frdyfzbar Its different if you bother to discriminate and like it in other songs where its used well. but I will never buy that one effect especially a versatile one like pitch correction is universally bad no matter how its used. but lets be real most people who say they hate autotune are just blaming it fo ruining music. and you know why I think that is valid too.
@@luizalves8071 old gregorian chant that's been referenced so frequently in classical and film composition to represent death, that it's essentially become the death motif.
@@turtlezinthesky Thats true, but just to add: It pretty much always was the "death motif". Basically it is part of any requiem, so a mess for the dead. Ir basically tells of the day of judgment. What we are talking about here is the tiny little melody you hear in the organ at that time stamp. Thats just the melody of it.
probably because: 1 - they don't all sound exactly the same (no new use of autotune has been created in a long time) 2 - the guitar is not so upfront in modern mixes, so it doesn't get old that fast in the song I have nothing against autotune per se (love me some Daft Punk), but it's been overused for almost 20 years now, and usually in the exact same way
Because guitar pedals add to the sound. Autotune subtracts from it. And yeah, do something cool with autotune to completely alter the sound; that's cool. But that's not what's happening here. But the actual sound of autotune is just painful to hear for a lot of people.
That's (in my opinion) because the majority of people relate to the vocals when they listen to a song and don't really care much for anything else. Autotune to me is the equivalent of chorus pedals on guitars. They were impressive back then but nowadays they sound dated and boring.
@@greenatom some people derive pleasure from exploring new sonic territory. if their communication offends _no one,_ it probably wasn't anything novel.
Objectively, this was explained extremely well with great concise detail. I personally love the song. I would go so far to say you can win people over through your mindfulness and intentional musical choices. There are many artists I like simply because they are executing their music at a high level. “If it’s good it’s good” *also I like it 🤘🏽
A classic example of people being sheeple. None of them care about the actual sound, it's just about repeating something to be part of a specific social circle - musical elitists.
It really seems like generally people don't have a good understanding of auto tune. T-Pain is the best example for me, he has an amazing soulful voice but chose to use auto tune for the effect. You still have to be a competent singer to begin with for autotune to not sound like trash afterwards
@@groovemoustache To some extent I think that part of it is an immediate jump to decry something you believe is wrong. People do it with spelling a lot too. I've noticed a few times when I write something like 'I'm gunna go', 'I need to practise', or 'I'm going to enrol in...', people are quick to jump to *enroll or *practice me, clearly without even looking up to check if there is another way. It's people with a mindset that there's a right way and a wrong way, and by offering their correction or dismissal of the other way, they feel superior in some way.
@@Beegpapijimbo Well, I don't consider myself a competent singer BUT I do agree that you must be at least an ok singer as autotune tunes to the nearest note in the scale. It is amazing how people still have this grudge against autotune as an effect.
I think many people think that autotune is a crutch, to help those who'd otherwise sing off-tune. While it can be used for that, I think those same people ignore that autotune can give genuinely interesting effects to vocals, changing the style and mood of the music.
It's also used just to save time. It's rare to get a perfect vocal in one take in the recording studio, but Autotune can reduce the number of takes needed to get something usable.
SO glad to the see the 2nd of the triplet being used more. It's hit a lot (as is the 2nd of 4, the 'e' 16th of the beat) in modern cuban, afro-cuban, and other african diaspora music, and to me it's one of the funkiest of subdivisions!
I think hating autotune is one of those natural assumptions a lot of people learn as a kid and don't really think too much about. For a long time, I had an unreasonable distaste for it as well, before I actually thought about it and tried to consider the positives only to find that, like with all musical elements, it's an effect that takes a lot of care to get right and can be used effectively to make very interesting music. Nowadays I don't hate autotune, but I still dislike the way it's commonly used without attention, as it _can_ have a negative impact if you just slap on a preset without much thought. With careful intent, it can be amazing. Without, it can be shallow and uninteresting. That sums up most musical elements, really. In conclusion, most people simply don't _want_ to consider the depth and potential of autotune and dismiss it instinctively, possibly as a result of deep-seated biases and previous underwhelming experiences.
Bro, every time he says "vibe" the amount of "laid-back"edness and pure chill just amplifies to beyond what any etherial chamber choir or xenharmonic lo-fi hip hop tunes could give me. This is a man who passed his vibe check without needing to get his vibe checked. Keep up the vibes, my dude.
Same! I was feeling fine about the song up until that point, and then the autotune hit and I was blown away. I think that the 808 syncopation helped with that too.
Sometimes it takes so little to get that VIBE (3:43), but without a solid background in music it's a shot in the dark. I love your videos for these little gifts
the inclusion of autotune is really great in my opinion especially when it's used to create weird textural qualities like how kanye and tpain does it, similar to the arrangement
Thing is, to people who don't like it, they can't hear those qualities, same as people who don't like a particular food can't taste how you made it differently. If cilantro tastes like soap to you and overpowers the dish, it doesn't matter what else you put in it.
@@turkeypedal that doesn't make much sense as an analogy, does it? Do you rlly think ppl are chemically hardwired to like some sounds and dislike others?
9:00 I like this effect with autotune because it almost gives the impression that there is 2 different singers with very different voices collaborating
I didn't know people hated the autotune that much. It made sense for it to go along with the melodic kick drums. That chorus still caught me COMPLETELY off guard, regardless. I do appreciate you breaking down your arrangement and the reasoning behind your work. A second listen of the arrangement is in order. I think I will appreciate it more.
I feel like 'T H I C C Arranging Techniques (for modern large ensemble)' is going to be the name of a music textbook in 30 years when the millenials start flooding achedimia
The generation *after* the millennial is currently in academia. Adam Neely is a millennial. It's ok though, the name is a bit confusing because it sounds like it means people *born* around 2000 but it means people who were born between 80 and 95.. ish... But even then, people born around 2000 are in academia. Fuck I'm gettin' old...
I know, I've classical education. I mean that he had a pretty Italian accent throughout the whole sentence, not just when saying the word (most people don't even pronounce legato like that)
I love the "imitate sidechaining" part, because this ducking effect, that most people associate with sidechaining, is quite often imitated as well in electronic music these days. Lots of producers don't actually sidechain anymore, but rather use tools like LFO Tool or volume automation than the classic sidechaining a compressor.
I find myself coming back to video over and over again because of the wholesome interaction between your drummer and your guitarist. " What does that pedal do?" puts a pretzel on the pedal, "Would you say it gives you that crunch?" Such amazing players and so wholesome!
@@kais-music The concept of his channel hasn't changed however the style and formatting of the videos have changed and I find them more enjoyable to watch. (it hasn't happened in this video alone it has been going on for a while and only put this out there now)
7:52 I can only speak for myself, but I actually hate the sound of this talk box even more than autotune. Same thing with Daft Punk's Around the World and the like. I know "hate" is a strong word, but I think it fits how visceral my reaction is to that "robot sound": it is actually really uncomfortable for me for some reason. Might be something to do with the uncanny valley, but with human voice, which is weird because I'm not much sensitive to that phenomenon with animation or robots. I'd like to know if I'm alone there.
I hate it too. Sounds too artificial and just UGLY. I hate both flat-pitched autotuned vocals and the artificially fast changes of the pitch. Otherwise I would like the song. That alone destroys it completely for me. Still there could be -2oct with lower speed, total retard sound so popular in pop-made-by-singers-and-rappers-that-cant-sing. (Not because they can't sing, it's because it sounds ugly). Then I would unsubscribe and block from recommending ever again.
I can’t stand it. It sounds so kitch and cliche. Even when Adam played the string part on keys it sounded awful to me until the strings played it. I think it’s the harmonics but I’m not sure. My ears are really sensitive, not trying to act superior, I just hear things other people don’t.
6:38 Interesting about 808s used as tuned percussion. In 1988, I started writing music in Deluxe Music Construction Set on a Commodore Amiga. It treated all instruments as keyboards, including drums. Drumkits were 3-5 samples, each covering one or two octaves. So writing melodies with kicks, snares, hi-hats etc. was almost unavoidable. I noticed that there were some interesting things that could be done with that. Nice to see it becoming a regular thing in music now.
Hardstyle dance has been modulating kicks since the 00s their crunchy kicks replaced an old method called reverse bass. Headhunterz and noisecontrollers are the best at it their choruses can reach such a nice place at times. Theyre such good producers i use noisecontrollers to test earphones and speakers.
Hey question, when you record these arrangements, which section of the orchestra do you start with, and what are people listening to when they're recording for their parts?
music production student here! generally, when dealing with large ensembles, the best place to start is with drums. the point of a drumkit has always been to keep the rhythm for the rest of the musicians, and this usually stays the same when recording music. (also, drummers are usually used to playing to a click anyway) another way to record is to have a demo track ready and mute out things that are being recorded (i personally use this method to first record a drumkit and then the rest). that being said, you can start with practically any instrument and simply let them play to a click track, but from my experience, some people have difficulties keeping rhythm this way, resulting in a provisional midi drumkit anyway.
If it's anything like most multitrack recordings, he started with drums. On his "Hello" reharmonization they recorded drums and I think keys in one room, horns and strings in the other, and played live to get that nice "live" feeling but still have *some* separation allowing easier editing. On a recording THIS massive I assume he started with drums and built it out from there. I'm an amateur musician and recorded an album last year. We started with drums but I played along with the guitarist playing through DI (direct input) to get a somewhat more organic feeling. The guitar was re-recorded later, though.
I got a synth from 2015 and it includes the 808 as a bass tone. So this has been happening at least long enough for Roland to pick up on it 5+ years ago and include it as a preset.
Dear Adam, I really appreciate you going into a musical exploration with no boundaries.That being said, people will ALWAYS neetpic about EVERYTHING and I know as an artist/music creator that those comments about the autotune bothered you on some levels. Know that people will appreciate you more when you don't try to please everybody and go with what you love. I actually love that you did that because Kate sang clean too and that part created a nuance in the vocal and I love the track for the way all the genres fused and flowed so well together. I love what you do man and don't ever change for ANYBODY. I think it's time to be a patreon soon! Thank you so much for creating contents Adam Neely!!!
Just wanna say i had this song blasting these past couple days! Really awesome and it led me to listening to your other covers on Spotify. And then it led me to your second channel and there I found the Yee videos. It's been a journey.
Hey! Long time watcher, first time commenter here. I tried to I write a long comment about what I use for rhythmic solfege in compound meters, but I think RUclips swallowed it. Sorry if I'm double posting, but here goes: The program I was in for music education was wind instrument focused so they used a counting method called the Eastman System (which has more consonants in it's counts--I'm assuming to encourage development of strong articulation). They use 1 ta TE ta for 16ths instead of the more common 1 e & a, which I don't really use much anymore since it seems really uncommon. BUT I like what they use for compound meters. The use LA LI for the 2nd and 3rd triplets. So 12/8 goes 1 la li 2 la li 3 la li 4 la li. It even goes up to the 16th note: 1 ta LA ta LI ta 2 ta LA ta LI ta ETC. I haven't found anything I like better for teaching people how to count and accurately feel compound rhythms (6/8, 9/8, 12/8 etc). I've also seen people use IZ A for triplets, but I use that for forced triplets (and stick with LA LI for native triplets). So in 4/4 I could go 1 & 2 & 3 IZ A 4 & to count a FORCED triplet on 3. Introducing 2 ways to count triplets also makes it so you can stack them to count things like 12/8 16th note shuffles. I use 1 iz a LA iz a LI iz a for teaching people how to subdivide by 9 without losing where the bar is. I use Drunk by Sungazer as one of my demo songs to count against for that. :D Anyway, I haven't thought I've ever had anything to contribute before, so it's really exciting to have something that's hopefully a little constructive to share. I use ideas from your videos with my students ALL THE TIME. I share videos with them too if I think they're in a good place to get something out of it, but I've also been psyched to see some of them come in and try to share you with me. I love what you're doing for music education on RUclips.
Adam, you are the best. Thanks for breaking this one down. Would still love to know what draws you to certain songs to make you want to re-arrange them.
I personally don’t love autotune because I don’t like that it locks free pitch into a 12edo system. It would be interesting to hear autotune with adaptive JI pitch correction.
I explained to a coworker how I thought you used sidechaining as an influence for the brass section before I saw this video. I'm glad I'm right, but I'm even happier you leveraged acoustic instruments to create that effect.
Re/ Autotune - -- hmmph. There's a sort of "Uncanny Valley" effect that hits me with certain treatments, but not others... it's strange. It's almost as if I hear the tweaks TOO CLOSE to actual Singing it bothers me, whereas when it turns the voice into ... something else entirely, it just becomes another instrument in the arrangement. Also, if the treated vocal LOOPS, the trouble ( for MY ear ) goes away... dunno. But thanks for this vid in particular, Adam!
It's kind of an acquired taste. I'm an electronic producer, so weird timbre is something I love a lot. But I can totally see how it might not be for everyone. You're respectful about it, too, and open to it. There are a lot of really cool artists that really play with vocal manipulation, musicians from Daft Punk to 100 Gecs and Fraxiom.
This is always such a great education for a person stuck in the sixties (me) and he always surrounds himself with others who are also incredibly talented.
I think the reason most people had such a negative reaction to the auto-tune segment (myself included) is that it felt so jarring compared to the rest of the arrangement. There was so much energy coming up to that point that the detuned sound of it held the rest of the arrangement back (for me at least).
But there was autotune right from the start of the song. I didn't even make it to the part that people are complaining about before I turned it off in disgust
"Autotune is bad" I say, playing a fretted instrument
This comment made me giggle! Well done!
wait. you don't autotune your fretted instrument??
True temperament frets, yo...
You have revealed me. a piano player, for a fraud
The autotune here is bad because is just sounds bad. It's a bad choice. However, I also don't like how your singer is singing like she's trapped in a squeaky cage, so maybe that's why you added it. Even still, her squeaky singing is better than how you applied autotune to it. Bleh!
"Generational timbres" is a really interesting concept. I dig it.
I haven't heard the full arrangement yet, but I think the deepest vocal layer could've been left off. Perhaps it was _meant_ to sound monstrous… indeed a "generational timbre."
That said, blanket hatred of autotune is like blind hatred of compression or overdrive on a guitar.
crnkmnky imo overdrive and compression arent effects you are able to whack on to mask up lack of technical ability
@@sale9667 I would disagree. How about delay/reverb and chorus effects?
@@crnkmnky I don't think autotne adds anything over a good olde vocoder A vocoder sounds better, but it requires playing a keyboard at the same time.
@@sale9667 here autotune is used as an artistic effect, not to correct voice pitch.
Autotune is like CGI; you love it only when it's totally intentionally noticable or absolutely perfectly disguised and realistic.
I think the complete opposite. Autotune for me is best as a vocal effect, not as a pitch correction device, when it is really noticeable and the whole vocal just floats away and as robotic as possible.
@@calebmccardell7030 This.
So, a sort of "vocal valley of the uncanny" is to be avoided.
Best analogy I think Ive ever read lol
Autotune sucks no matter how it's used.
1. Sidechain Emulation 0:19
2. Unusual Modal Mixture 2:10
3. This Chord 3:53
4. String Quartet 5:18
5. 808's 6:38
6. Autotune 7:35
7. 12/8 syncopation 9:14
🙃
I like how Adam treats contemporary music trends/traditions(808's, autotune, sidechaining) with respect and uses them as inspiration instead of writing them off as junk like a lot of musicians do. I wish everyone in the industry had your openness and respect for music. May the Jazz Gods bless you
(P.S.Could you do a video covering rhythmic patterns/claves in South African music, specifically in Gqom
I think you would find it interesting and I would appreciate an outside opinion on our music since most people outside of Africa don't listen to it.)
Hey, I've heard of gqom recently, but know virtually nothing about it other than the name. Do you have any recommendations for where to start with the genre?
@@TheRealMutttastic Try listening to dj maphorisa or distruction boyz
Rick Beato: Everything sounded much better way back when people actually had to play their instruments
Adam Neely: *yeets his arrangements into Ableton*
@@MrFlippicat Rick beato: feel, rythmn, emotion on performance
Adam Neely: harmonisation, arrangement, production techniques
Of course both cover each other's areas but I think Adam can look at modern songs as they have lots of interesting arrangement and songwriting techniques but often performance wise relies on production over emotive performance.
Oliver Wattles Rick beato also thinks his fancy gold cables make a perceptible difference. He is smart and skilled but also clearly a pompous dismissive hairy nipple sometimes. Just in case anyone wants analysis on the cables thing: www.google.com/amp/s/www.soundguys.com/cable-myths-reviving-the-coathanger-test-23553/amp/
Watch Adam Neely slowly progress towards becoming djent Jacob Collier
It's like a slow decent into madness but with jazzy chord progressions
Djentcob Neellier
@@alvarengaaustin -- you pulled a muscle on that one
already happened with exigence to some extent. not quite as many crunchy chords but some
@@haha-ju3pj not enough half sharps yet
The sidechain effect with the sax goes so well it’s so cool seeing that outside computer produced music with no pedals or anything just technique
Adam,
He’s *S I C C*
He plays Bass without a *P I C C*
But most importantly, he can play the *L I C C*
But he also arrange *T H I C C*
I like to think that a hundred years from now, when people teach jazz, they will teach about the importance of a certain lick that changed the world. The lick that helped to bridge the meme community with the jazz community thus making jazz popular and cool in the internet age. All thanks to some seven notes....
And above all it makes him E P I C C
Puro roro roroow, ro-roow
Sorry.
And all those things together definitely do the TRICC??
When you think Adam's normal then he reminds you he's just like you 6:34
Nate Kang I liked that moment haha 😂
@The Stammering Dunce What do you mean by "acquainted" ?
@The Stammering Dunce ah, i didn't know she studied music, i remember her saying she started a PhD in philosophy. Interesting that they both went on being successful youtubers.
Is there a link to that PATREON! metal video?
One of very few RUclips creators that absolutely never ever let down.
Loved the song, loved this video.
This RUclipsr slaps
Thank you Neely.
Commenters: AUTOTUNE HAET LEEV BAI
Adam: So my music made you... feel something? Interesting....
This is one of the most interesting videos I've watched on recording techniques and music theory. Really appreciate the insight.
7:44 IMHO with a degree in linguistics, the reaction may be less to autotune than that formants were shifted around. People are more familiar with blaming autotune, but formants are so key to perception of speech that people are very sensitive to any weirdness there. F2 correlates to "frontness" and F1 correlates, weirdly, to "lowness". If you drop F1 the vowel sounds higher (dress -> driss) , and if you drop F2 the vowel sounds farther back (dress -> dross). When you drop both, words sound both high (closed mouth) and backed (low tongue). Those usually don't happen together. The weirdness of comes from F1 being *inversely* related with vowel height.
This really helps me understand why the dropped formants give such an "unnatural" sound. At least for me, it's hard to even make a vowel sound with the mouth shape you described. Neato!
Neat theory but the fact is autotune is hated blindly because people imagine music to require abundant skill and they veiw this one technology as cheating that skill. Its bunk of course that alien monster sound is fantastic
@@36inc or probably that some of us genuinely find it discomfiting. Not everyone likes to jump on a bandwagon, hunny
@@el7284 you will need more than a refusal to accept it for me to believe what youre saying- itd be far too convenient.
Oh no Im not a music snob it just is the one item in the entire effects library that sucks.
bullshit.
@@frdyfzbar Its different if you bother to discriminate and like it in other songs where its used well. but I will never buy that one effect especially a versatile one like pitch correction is universally bad no matter how its used. but lets be real most people who say they hate autotune are just blaming it fo ruining music. and you know why I think that is valid too.
2:18 Spicy dies irae
With a picardy third, the madman
What is a dies irae?
@@luizalves8071 old gregorian chant that's been referenced so frequently in classical and film composition to represent death, that it's essentially become the death motif.
I'm waiting for Sideways to show up now.
@@turtlezinthesky Thats true, but just to add: It pretty much always was the "death motif". Basically it is part of any requiem, so a mess for the dead. Ir basically tells of the day of judgment.
What we are talking about here is the tiny little melody you hear in the organ at that time stamp. Thats just the melody of it.
The D E T H L I C C
Guitarists use insane pedals to completely alter the sound: everybody happy
Vocalists use autotune: Oh mY gOD whAt is THIs CrAp
Yeah, great comparison! There are guitarists out there who are using a dozen or more pedals and people aren't up in arms about that.
probably because:
1 - they don't all sound exactly the same (no new use of autotune has been created in a long time)
2 - the guitar is not so upfront in modern mixes, so it doesn't get old that fast in the song
I have nothing against autotune per se (love me some Daft Punk), but it's been overused for almost 20 years now, and usually in the exact same way
@@only4crap Cher, Daft Punk, Britney, T Pain, Bon Iver, Frank Ocean, etc etc. Lots of unique uses over the last 20 years
Because guitar pedals add to the sound.
Autotune subtracts from it.
And yeah, do something cool with autotune to completely alter the sound; that's cool. But that's not what's happening here.
But the actual sound of autotune is just painful to hear for a lot of people.
That's (in my opinion) because the majority of people relate to the vocals when they listen to a song and don't really care much for anything else. Autotune to me is the equivalent of chorus pedals on guitars. They were impressive back then but nowadays they sound dated and boring.
10:27 I love this kind of shit so much. Syncopated heavy guitar and horns
Ever heard of "Thank you scientist"?
I think that you may find that band interesting
@@JorgeLTE Yup, big fan of them already. My favorite example is Calabi Yau by Tesseract
if u aren't pissing people off with your music choices then whats even the point
ericoliphant if you aren’t offending people, someone’s going to be offended about it
The only point of music is pleasure and/or communication. Pissing people off is a lousy goal.
@@greenatom some people derive pleasure from exploring new sonic territory. if their communication offends _no one,_ it probably wasn't anything novel.
greenatom then how did 69 get so famous so fast?
@@crnkmnky Okay but being too "exploratory" is a novelty.
4:06 “cruchy”
Need cruchy merch now
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I cannot get over how sick your arrangements are, man. Brilliant.
Objectively, this was explained extremely well with great concise detail. I personally love the song. I would go so far to say you can win people over through your mindfulness and intentional musical choices. There are many artists I like simply because they are executing their music at a high level. “If it’s good it’s good”
*also I like it 🤘🏽
Adam: *uses autotune and other vocal effects carefully to create a more interesting vocal timbre*
Comments section: Wait, that's illegal
A classic example of people being sheeple. None of them care about the actual sound, it's just about repeating something to be part of a specific social circle - musical elitists.
It really seems like generally people don't have a good understanding of auto tune.
T-Pain is the best example for me, he has an amazing soulful voice but chose to use auto tune for the effect. You still have to be a competent singer to begin with for autotune to not sound like trash afterwards
@@groovemoustache To some extent I think that part of it is an immediate jump to decry something you believe is wrong. People do it with spelling a lot too. I've noticed a few times when I write something like 'I'm gunna go', 'I need to practise', or 'I'm going to enrol in...', people are quick to jump to *enroll or *practice me, clearly without even looking up to check if there is another way. It's people with a mindset that there's a right way and a wrong way, and by offering their correction or dismissal of the other way, they feel superior in some way.
@@Beegpapijimbo Well, I don't consider myself a competent singer BUT I do agree that you must be at least an ok singer as autotune tunes to the nearest note in the scale. It is amazing how people still have this grudge against autotune as an effect.
I just don't like being raped in the ear. Apparently that makes me sheeple, says the guy parroting what the youtube influencer says.
That dies irae in "death of melody"... I see what you did there.
it literally killed me
It was dies irae and the lick.... GENIUS!
In the end everybody dies irae.
Stupid nerds
Oh shit I didn't notice that. Brilliant.
this guy could be the whole damn orchestra.
On the autotune hate: Attempting to please everyone pleases no one.
"Baby can't you see ... you're my fantasy ... " - The Most Wanted Song
I think many people think that autotune is a crutch, to help those who'd otherwise sing off-tune.
While it can be used for that, I think those same people ignore that autotune can give genuinely interesting effects to vocals, changing the style and mood of the music.
It's also used just to save time. It's rare to get a perfect vocal in one take in the recording studio, but Autotune can reduce the number of takes needed to get something usable.
I loved it thanks Adam
I love how this was a collaboration of all the side characters on this channel
Awab Qureshi Agreed. Adam’s circle of collaborators is actually one of my favorite things about this channel.
Oh, you mean the Adam Neely Cinematic Universe?
Loving these videos. The reharmonized tracks are fantastic, and hearing the theory(Theory) behind it makes it so much more enjoyable.
Thanks for sharing 🤘
okay wow! about the sidechain: I thought like "okay adam edited the recording .... thats new?!" but the sheet music requiring it amazes me heavyly :D
Maybe most softsynths don't support polyphonic aftertouch but most live wind players do!
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I like my arrangements like I like my partners...
...non-existent?
...under 18?
hol up
@@chase4557 LMAO I did not think that would be a possible response
With 12/8 syncopation
SO glad to the see the 2nd of the triplet being used more. It's hit a lot (as is the 2nd of 4, the 'e' 16th of the beat) in modern cuban, afro-cuban, and other african diaspora music, and to me it's one of the funkiest of subdivisions!
I think hating autotune is one of those natural assumptions a lot of people learn as a kid and don't really think too much about. For a long time, I had an unreasonable distaste for it as well, before I actually thought about it and tried to consider the positives only to find that, like with all musical elements, it's an effect that takes a lot of care to get right and can be used effectively to make very interesting music.
Nowadays I don't hate autotune, but I still dislike the way it's commonly used without attention, as it _can_ have a negative impact if you just slap on a preset without much thought. With careful intent, it can be amazing. Without, it can be shallow and uninteresting. That sums up most musical elements, really.
In conclusion, most people simply don't _want_ to consider the depth and potential of autotune and dismiss it instinctively, possibly as a result of deep-seated biases and previous underwhelming experiences.
I've watched enough Sideways to finally be able to pick up the Dies Irae at 2:19
What is a dies irae? I'm seeing people talk about this in this comment section but I'm completely lost in its meaning
@@luizalves8071 it's a sequence that's been used for a looooong time to denote "death". It's exceedingly common in film.
b3-2-b3-1
Bro, every time he says "vibe" the amount of "laid-back"edness and pure chill just amplifies to beyond what any etherial chamber choir or xenharmonic lo-fi hip hop tunes could give me. This is a man who passed his vibe check without needing to get his vibe checked. Keep up the vibes, my dude.
That just makes me wonder what if anything he's written for vibes.
Re: rhythmic solfege
When I learned 6/8, the teacher counted it "one lolly, two lolly". So, the "lol"?
FINALLY! Someone else who learned it the same way I did
It's 1-la-le 2-la-le etc, ofc
The fusion of pop with metal lately is really getting me ready.
i've learned to respect, learn and sometimes even enjoy genres outside of classical, BECAUSE of sir neely.
thank you for being a good influencer
For the record, when I heard that autotune, I was like, "damn, Adam, this tune slaps."
Same! I was feeling fine about the song up until that point, and then the autotune hit and I was blown away. I think that the 808 syncopation helped with that too.
Davie504 would like to know your location
Really?
I heard the autotune and turned the song off.
I still can't get the whole way through this piece - it just sounds bad.
@@erisse3503 Why?
What's that got to do with me thinking it sounds bad?
So did I, I think it went in a cool direction and was an interesting style change.
Oooohhhh I love those ”cruchy!” chords!
Sometimes it takes so little to get that VIBE (3:43), but without a solid background in music it's a shot in the dark. I love your videos for these little gifts
can't wait for "autotune NOPE close tab :)" to become the new "make sure the synths and vocals are in the same key"
This isn't important but I got the 69th like on this comment
the inclusion of autotune is really great in my opinion especially when it's used to create weird textural qualities like how kanye and tpain does it, similar to the arrangement
Thing is, to people who don't like it, they can't hear those qualities, same as people who don't like a particular food can't taste how you made it differently. If cilantro tastes like soap to you and overpowers the dish, it doesn't matter what else you put in it.
@@turkeypedal that doesn't make much sense as an analogy, does it? Do you rlly think ppl are chemically hardwired to like some sounds and dislike others?
Your arrangement Rocks!
That drum sound is sooo good!
Mr. Josh Bailey is a national treasure, putting his classical percussion skills to good use - DJAZZ
9:00 I like this effect with autotune because it almost gives the impression that there is 2 different singers with very different voices collaborating
idk why but adam neely describing sizechaining in such an academic way is the funniest thing to me
I didn't know people hated the autotune that much. It made sense for it to go along with the melodic kick drums. That chorus still caught me COMPLETELY off guard, regardless.
I do appreciate you breaking down your arrangement and the reasoning behind your work. A second listen of the arrangement is in order. I think I will appreciate it more.
I feel like 'T H I C C Arranging Techniques (for modern large ensemble)' is going to be the name of a music textbook in 30 years when the millenials start flooding achedimia
ok boomer
*zoomers
Aren't millinials getting out of academia by now?
And the kids will say "ok millennial" because the memes of our generation are old-ass dad jokes to them.
The generation *after* the millennial is currently in academia. Adam Neely is a millennial. It's ok though, the name is a bit confusing because it sounds like it means people *born* around 2000 but it means people who were born between 80 and 95.. ish...
But even then, people born around 2000 are in academia. Fuck I'm gettin' old...
Is that guy in 5:45 actually Italian or has "legato" influenced the rest of the sentence in this way? :D
best comment
He sounds so italian
Sk0lzkiy in classical music we still use the italian words, like legato, staccato, and so on
I know, I've classical education. I mean that he had a pretty Italian accent throughout the whole sentence, not just when saying the word (most people don't even pronounce legato like that)
My thoughts exactly! And I'm Italian ;) Great mind think alike.
Hell man this doesn't even feel like pop. Feels like some good old school say late 90's tip of the 00s R&B. Excellent work.
I love the "imitate sidechaining" part, because this ducking effect, that most people associate with sidechaining, is quite often imitated as well in electronic music these days. Lots of producers don't actually sidechain anymore, but rather use tools like LFO Tool or volume automation than the classic sidechaining a compressor.
I have watched the whole video and have thoroughly enjoyed it.
I read your comment and clicked Like.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE KEEP DOING THIS! THAT ARRANGEMENT IS AMAZINGLY EPIC!
And I'm not just saying that because I've listened to it over 50 times...
I find myself coming back to video over and over again because of the wholesome interaction between your drummer and your guitarist.
" What does that pedal do?" puts a pretzel on the pedal,
"Would you say it gives you that crunch?"
Such amazing players and so wholesome!
the "dies irae, dies illa" was an excellent touch
4:03
CRUCHY!
I love use of "Hey!!!" at the end of each bar in the chorus
Oh, least fav part of the piece for me. Agree that something should go there, just not those samples
those 808s were "sick", in the inverted parlance!
Thankful neely didnt go full meme and still teaches us all something. Glad you do what you do, adam
I love how this channel has changed. keep doing you man
how do you mean?
@@kais-music The concept of his channel hasn't changed however the style and formatting of the videos have changed and I find them more enjoyable to watch. (it hasn't happened in this video alone it has been going on for a while and only put this out there now)
8:07 that yellow car is fine af tho
Adam, You're killing me! You are making theory that I was being taught 35 years ago (and couldn't grasp) is making sense now...You ROCK!
Damn, that singer can crush it. Fun as always AN, thx.
7:52 I can only speak for myself, but I actually hate the sound of this talk box even more than autotune. Same thing with Daft Punk's Around the World and the like. I know "hate" is a strong word, but I think it fits how visceral my reaction is to that "robot sound": it is actually really uncomfortable for me for some reason.
Might be something to do with the uncanny valley, but with human voice, which is weird because I'm not much sensitive to that phenomenon with animation or robots. I'd like to know if I'm alone there.
I hate it too.
Sounds too artificial and just UGLY. I hate both flat-pitched autotuned vocals and the artificially fast changes of the pitch.
Otherwise I would like the song. That alone destroys it completely for me.
Still there could be -2oct with lower speed, total retard sound so popular in pop-made-by-singers-and-rappers-that-cant-sing.
(Not because they can't sing, it's because it sounds ugly).
Then I would unsubscribe and block from recommending ever again.
@@DruiiChannel hey dude how about laying off the vitriol for shit some time
@@DruiiChannel Yeah damn bro, chill!
I can’t stand it. It sounds so kitch and cliche. Even when Adam played the string part on keys it sounded awful to me until the strings played it. I think it’s the harmonics but I’m not sure. My ears are really sensitive, not trying to act superior, I just hear things other people don’t.
Obviously there’s a psychological element too though. Whatever you associate it with can drive your opinion I suppose.
6:38 Interesting about 808s used as tuned percussion. In 1988, I started writing music in Deluxe Music Construction Set on a Commodore Amiga. It treated all instruments as keyboards, including drums. Drumkits were 3-5 samples, each covering one or two octaves. So writing melodies with kicks, snares, hi-hats etc. was almost unavoidable. I noticed that there were some interesting things that could be done with that. Nice to see it becoming a regular thing in music now.
Hardstyle dance has been modulating kicks since the 00s their crunchy kicks replaced an old method called reverse bass. Headhunterz and noisecontrollers are the best at it their choruses can reach such a nice place at times. Theyre such good producers i use noisecontrollers to test earphones and speakers.
Best modern informative quality content on youtube
Incredible stuff. The combination of electronic sounds and full arrangements is making me excited for future music!
it's always cool to see more about these projects, thanks Adam!
Hey question, when you record these arrangements, which section of the orchestra do you start with, and what are people listening to when they're recording for their parts?
Oooh yeah also curious about this cheers
Yess, interested!
music production student here!
generally, when dealing with large ensembles, the best place to start is with drums. the point of a drumkit has always been to keep the rhythm for the rest of the musicians, and this usually stays the same when recording music. (also, drummers are usually used to playing to a click anyway)
another way to record is to have a demo track ready and mute out things that are being recorded (i personally use this method to first record a drumkit and then the rest).
that being said, you can start with practically any instrument and simply let them play to a click track, but from my experience, some people have difficulties keeping rhythm this way, resulting in a provisional midi drumkit anyway.
If it's anything like most multitrack recordings, he started with drums. On his "Hello" reharmonization they recorded drums and I think keys in one room, horns and strings in the other, and played live to get that nice "live" feeling but still have *some* separation allowing easier editing. On a recording THIS massive I assume he started with drums and built it out from there.
I'm an amateur musician and recorded an album last year. We started with drums but I played along with the guitarist playing through DI (direct input) to get a somewhat more organic feeling. The guitar was re-recorded later, though.
I got a synth from 2015 and it includes the 808 as a bass tone. So this has been happening at least long enough for Roland to pick up on it 5+ years ago and include it as a preset.
Dear Adam, I really appreciate you going into a musical exploration with no boundaries.That being said, people will ALWAYS neetpic about EVERYTHING and I know as an artist/music creator that those comments about the autotune bothered you on some levels. Know that people will appreciate you more when you don't try to please everybody and go with what you love.
I actually love that you did that because Kate sang clean too and that part created a nuance in the vocal and I love the track for the way all the genres fused and flowed so well together. I love what you do man and don't ever change for ANYBODY.
I think it's time to be a patreon soon!
Thank you so much for creating contents Adam Neely!!!
Just wanna say i had this song blasting these past couple days! Really awesome and it led me to listening to your other covers on Spotify. And then it led me to your second channel and there I found the Yee videos. It's been a journey.
10:27 Inferi made it into an Adam Neely video.
I was so happy to see the shirt in the original video. Tyreek nails it too.
Hey! Long time watcher, first time commenter here.
I tried to I write a long comment about what I use for rhythmic solfege in compound meters, but I think RUclips swallowed it. Sorry if I'm double posting, but here goes:
The program I was in for music education was wind instrument focused so they used a counting method called the Eastman System (which has more consonants in it's counts--I'm assuming to encourage development of strong articulation). They use 1 ta TE ta for 16ths instead of the more common 1 e & a, which I don't really use much anymore since it seems really uncommon. BUT I like what they use for compound meters. The use LA LI for the 2nd and 3rd triplets. So 12/8 goes 1 la li 2 la li 3 la li 4 la li. It even goes up to the 16th note: 1 ta LA ta LI ta 2 ta LA ta LI ta ETC. I haven't found anything I like better for teaching people how to count and accurately feel compound rhythms (6/8, 9/8, 12/8 etc). I've also seen people use IZ A for triplets, but I use that for forced triplets (and stick with LA LI for native triplets). So in 4/4 I could go 1 & 2 & 3 IZ A 4 & to count a FORCED triplet on 3. Introducing 2 ways to count triplets also makes it so you can stack them to count things like 12/8 16th note shuffles. I use 1 iz a LA iz a LI iz a for teaching people how to subdivide by 9 without losing where the bar is. I use Drunk by Sungazer as one of my demo songs to count against for that. :D
Anyway, I haven't thought I've ever had anything to contribute before, so it's really exciting to have something that's hopefully a little constructive to share. I use ideas from your videos with my students ALL THE TIME. I share videos with them too if I think they're in a good place to get something out of it, but I've also been psyched to see some of them come in and try to share you with me. I love what you're doing for music education on RUclips.
That drummer looks very comfortable and I appreciate it
Adam, you are the best. Thanks for breaking this one down. Would still love to know what draws you to certain songs to make you want to re-arrange them.
I personally don’t love autotune because I don’t like that it locks free pitch into a 12edo system. It would be interesting to hear autotune with adaptive JI pitch correction.
That's an interesting concept, but then it'd be out of tune with the rest of the song unless you were using microtonal harmony too, no?
thekered correct
I explained to a coworker how I thought you used sidechaining as an influence for the brass section before I saw this video.
I'm glad I'm right, but I'm even happier you leveraged acoustic instruments to create that effect.
Brilliant. More of this please Adam
3:00 You can hear this kind of alternating modal mixture really strongly in the chorus of Kendrick Lamar's These Walls, very tasty harmony
This 👍👍👍
Re/ Autotune - -- hmmph. There's a sort of "Uncanny Valley" effect that hits me with certain treatments, but not others... it's strange.
It's almost as if I hear the tweaks TOO CLOSE to actual Singing it bothers me, whereas when it turns the voice into ... something else entirely, it just becomes another instrument in the arrangement. Also, if the treated vocal LOOPS, the trouble ( for MY ear ) goes away... dunno. But thanks for this vid in particular, Adam!
It's kind of an acquired taste. I'm an electronic producer, so weird timbre is something I love a lot. But I can totally see how it might not be for everyone. You're respectful about it, too, and open to it.
There are a lot of really cool artists that really play with vocal manipulation, musicians from Daft Punk to 100 Gecs and Fraxiom.
The uncanny valley analogy is the best description I've heard. Perfectly encapsulates my experience listening to auto-tune
This is always such a great education for a person stuck in the sixties (me) and he always surrounds himself with others who are also incredibly talented.
I'm primarily an electronic producer, but maybe that's why I love that processed vocal sound 🤷♀️ gives me a super euphoric vibe
I think the reason most people had such a negative reaction to the auto-tune segment (myself included) is that it felt so jarring compared to the rest of the arrangement. There was so much energy coming up to that point that the detuned sound of it held the rest of the arrangement back (for me at least).
But there was autotune right from the start of the song.
I didn't even make it to the part that people are complaining about before I turned it off in disgust
Yup that's the point that it's jarring
That was what made it good to me, the style change was cool and nice to listen to
Most people?
Honestly
That Music Video deserves more than a Million views
I'm obsessed with this part 5:02 😭😭😭😭😭 I'm on a bloody infinite loop
Nice arrangement. Your ending gave me goose bumps.
5:11 eargasm happening before our eyes
Really like that fact that you synced the audio to the flashing red light @1:40, my OCD thanks you!
These arranging tricks slap hard.
Almost a million subs. Go Adam! Run away with it.
Are we to expect an entire EP/album of these kind of songs?
Are you doing a whole album of pop covers in your style of Jazz fusion? I would be very happy if you did.
808s played on that keyboard totally smash.
I agree, i hope to see more!
I got wild goosebumps at the auto tune. I thought it invoked a great intensity that really ramped the song up
now i've just understood the use of a sidechain outside EDM
2:19 *Sideways has entered the chat*
I understood maybe 20% of this, but I greatly enjoying hearing all about it!
Gosh her voice is amazing!