Rich Eisen on Bears Opting for Shane Waldron over Kliff Kingsbury as New OC | The Rich Eisen Show
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- Rich Eisen the Chicago Bears opting to hire Shane Waldron over USC’s Kliff Kingsbury as their new Offensive Coordinator.
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As a Cardinals fan smart move. Kliffs offenses have repeatedly been figured out and adapted against in the second half of games and seasons. It looks great at first then becomes stale.
Sounds like Luke Getsy
Similar things would happen at TTU too.
In Seattle he always had very creative plays and was excellent when it came to explosive plays but bad at short to intermediate plays. I felt way more confident on us getting a touchdown in the 20-30 range than inside the 10.
When U having a running qb it becomes easier... Justin fields runs qb option stuff
@@k2klipz and people tend to forget. The bears have rushed for almost 3000 yards back to back seasons. The Bears offenseline line is definitely built for running the football.
@@k2klipzJustin won't be the QB
Bc he want to pass even in the red zone.
As a Bears fan, I love it. He was my favorite of the candidates we interviewed and as long as he doesn't copy Getsy and just throw screen pass after screen pass, I'll be happy.
Oh boy... Prepare to be absolutely dissapointed. The fact that the Bears hired this completely inept joke of a play caller makes them the dumbest franchise in the league. Thanks from all of Seattle.
I've seen reports from Seattle that say Carroll was deciding what style of offense he was allowed to run. If so then can you really look at the Seattle offense to determine if he's good. I've also seen comments from Seattle fans that say he was a good O.C. He did make Geno better than he was anywhere else in his career.@@doughnutfingers
. BULL dream on Fields will flourish under Shane.
@@doughnutfingerscool no one cares
As a Seahawks fan, you really should hope he does not do that. Until the hawks drafted Smith-Njigba, the screen game was a nightmare.
So here's what it came down to for us: His opening script - awesome. Crunch time, game on the line, not overthinking things - very good. In between, not so good. He designs good plays, but once his script runs out he kinda loses the plot. That said, I was hoping we'd keep him so we could see just exactly how much of that was him, and how much was Carroll in his ear.
“The next Mahomes”, except everything that defines Mahomes is not something you can show in college. You see tons of guys look incredible in college, but until you see them throwing with 6’5” guys bearing down on them into Razer thin windows, we have no idea. We miss on QB prospects because the pocket presence is the most important trait, and there is no way to simulate that with Amateurs in college
Yes... We've seen Total BUSTS come from the ranks of Star College QB's. Anyone from Tim Tebow to Justin Fields... It's a tough call but it helps if the QB has a good O-line so they have a pocket to work from. Justin Fields has spent his career "running for his life" and being blind sided... He probably regrets being chosen by the Bears as will any other "Star QB"... The Bears don't have a F%#*ing Clue what they're doing... Look at all of the other teams in the Central Division... They can't wait to play the Bears and notch another Win...
Nagy did not get the gig in Chicago because of his association with Mahomes. Nagy’s first year in Chicago was 2018. Mahomes didn’t play in 2017. So maybe you can say it was his association with Alex Smith???
That’s not correct. Nagy was on the Chiefs when Mahomes was drafted and it was Nagy that convinced Andy Reid to bring on Mahomes when they already had Alex Smith.. then Nagy came to Chicago and took the bears to the playoffs 2-3 years with a QB that he never drafted (Trubisky) then added Justin Fields before the new regime of Coaches came in.
Very few Bears fans know this. And this is the first time I’ve ever heard the media actually recognize it. It sucks being a Bears fan cause we never give any players and coaches time to develop.
No Bears had a bad GM
@@alexkrause1338 What I said is that he did not get the gig in Chicago because of his association with Mahomes. Rich said this in the video. My point is the Bears would not have hired Nagy because he did such a great job with Mahomes at a time when they would have had no reason to know anything about how he did with Mahomes.
@@alexkrause1338 Nagy was not a good head coach. I know the Bears went to the playoffs in 2018 and probably had a team good enough to even perhaps make it to the NFC championship but it was almost entirely because of Vic Fangio’s defense. And I don’t care if Nagy had anything to do with drafting Mitch or not, it would have been his job to make him the best he could be. If he could not make him any good then he was apparently not that good of an offensive coach. If a coach is like I can be really good but I’m gonna need Patrick Mahomes as my QB, then he’s not that good.
How are there so many people enamored with CW. He has yet to play a single freakin NFL game... He is not "full on alien"
I think Drake will be a better pro like CJ is over Bryce
I keep hearing everyone talk about resetting the QB contract clock. I think the fallacy with this thinking is that the Bears could trade the #1 pick for several picks, both this draft and potential future first round picks. If they can do that they can turn one pick into several high picks over the next couple of years that could turn into 2-4 foundational team pieces, all on rookie contracts. That resets the rookie contracts on several positions and builds a strong team, so that if sticking with Fields through his 5th year option doesn't work out well, they can go after a young QB prospect and have a strong, young team to surround a young QB who can grow into a leader at the position. Resetting the QB contract clock doesn't do much, if the new QB comes into a team that has a lack of strong supporting pieces on offense.
You don't get the chance to draft #1 overall every year. This idea that they can just go after who they want if it doesn't work out with Fields is just cope from JF fanboys.
They're going to trade him and reset the qb clock because you can fill a lot of positions with the 40-50m+ you have to pay a qb.
Kc traded up from 27 to 10 overall in 2017 to get Mahomes. The bears can get several future first rounders and more by trading the #1 overall, and they will only need to pay $29 million total to Fields over the 2024 and 2025 season if they pick up his 5th year option. They have two first rounders in this year's draft, plus whatever extra capital they would get from trading the #1 back (first round swap this year plus 2025 and 2026 firsts and more). They can get several pieces early this draft, from WR to OLine and still have picks to spare in this draft and future from trading back. They save money on contracts with more picks and still have draft capital to move around in 2025/2026 draft if Fields still can make the leap to elite in the next 2 years. Or they can gamble on a #1 who could bust like Bryce Young, or any number of #1 overall picks. It's not just about Justin Fields, it's about how much of a team you can put together. QB can be found later in the draft. Aaron Rodgers was picked 32 overall, same with Lamar Jackson. Drew Brees second round pick, Tom Brady 6th round, Brock Purdy was last pick of the draft. Brett Favre second round pick. Joe Montana 3rd round pick. A significant portion of the greatest QBs all time were picked outside the first round or at the end of the first round of the draft. Football is a team sport first and foremost.
It means that they quickly realized how much of a joke KKs offense is in the NFL.
I’m not convinced Caleb will do well in the nfl. I hope he does find success though
Deep down this feels like the stars are aligning for the Bears to trade the first overall pick and build around Fields. Kept Eberflus and went with Waldren…interesting
Finally someone that can read between the line, you are spot on.
Justin can't run west coast offense.
You r wrong. He is as good as gone.
" come out to the cooooast, have a few laaaaughs"🤣🤣🤣
Ryan Poles knows how to play chess as a GM. Hiring Wauldron keeps other teams guessing what the Bears will or won’t do in the Draft, which keeps the price to trade up for the number 1 pick sky high.
EXACTLY!!! If he trades then i think its with Patriots. Give bears better picks than washington and keep caleb in the AFC. Thats if he keeps fields
@@richmargin6082 for me personally, I have a “Have Our Cake & Eat It Too” scenario where the Bears trade the number 1 pick, commit to Fields as the starter next year, and still draft a rookie QB in the 1st round. I don’t think there’s any way at all that Fields & Caleb can coexist on this Bears team. Not they they would cause issues with each other, but because the media insanity would be too distracting. But I think drafting Bo Nix or Michael Penix Jr in the mid-to-late 1st round, or even JJ McCarthy in the 2nd round, could be an interesting strategy. You go all in with Fields and a playoff run next year, but still have the rookie QB waiting in the wings if things start to derail or the Bears simply don’t want to pay Fields huge money near the end of his contract.
that’s the frigging dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
Hopefully you don’t seriously believe that. An NFL GM is not going to hire a specific guy as his OC because he wants to keep people guessing what his plans are in the draft. He is going to have to live with that guy being the teams OC. It is worth something to keep people guessing but if he really wanted Kingsbury then he would have hired him.
@@Voysh2Voysh69 you dont need to draft a QB if you stick with Fields. You can use that to get a pro-bowl pass rusher or tackle instead. Then if it doesn’t work out, you have 2 first rounders the next year to get a QB. But still get to keep the rookie all pro pass rusher or tackle. Im trading with patriots and getting their #3, 2024 second round and a 2025 first round. Normally they wouldn’t give up that much but its for Caleb. And that 2024 second rounder is a very high one. So after the trade, bears will still have two 2025 first rounders and two 2025 second rounders. Thats a ton of draft capital to get a franchise QB in 2025
anyone who think Caleb is the next Mahomes is livin in a fantasy world. not that hes bad or anything but hes Baker Mayfield at best.
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2017 Baker: 70% (285 for 404), 43TD, 6 INT, 331 YPG, 189.9 rating
2018 Kyler: 69% (260 for 377), 42 TD, 7 INT, 311 YPG, 199.2 rating
2022 Caleb: 67% (333 for 500), 42 TD, 5 INT, 324 YPG, 168.5 rating
in all their Heisman seasons, his numbers are the same or worse than Kyler and Baker in the exact same system
he threw for fewer YPG and less TDs than Baker despite 94 more attempts.
he barely beat Kyler in YPG and was tied in TDs despite 123 more attempts.
in no way do these numbers result in some coronation.
@@TXN79 at best...
Caleb Williams is a fantasy construct invented by the media and hypnotically repeated over and over, and now millions of lobotomized fans believe that CW is the second coming of PM15, without having heard of Penix, Nix or Jayden Daniels. Pathetic.
Mahomes best college year: 65.7% (388 of 591) 41 TD, 10 INT, 157 rating. 8.5 yards per attempt.
Most are very close - it’s just a tiny difference
@@brenosulzbacher with these 3 we can compare a like to a like, they all played in the same system, and he doesn't stand out
Finally Justin Fields can learn under a real experienced OC.
Good for him man, In his home state of Georgia
He's gone. Good coaches don't want to waste their time on QBs like Justin
Why many fans don't get it? JF is gone. The Guy cannot run the west coast offense. His short pass is terrible. No pre snap . 🤷♂️
If they want to keep him. greg roman should be only guy to hire. Not another west coast OC like Nagy
And Getsy.
Goff and Purdy are so far from aliens 😂
Joshy & Mahomes is the list
Thank you. Caleb Williams college career was not better than Fields. Why don't people see that Fields has had no consistent coaching and no weapons until that in season trade. After 8 games things were starting to cook. And Caleb or Fields - what does it matter if you have a lousy offensive line and only one good receiver? And Purdy and Goff proved that you can win with a well coached, multifaceted offense and hard-assed defense.
The value in Shane W is ability not get the best out of a QB like he did with Geno but critically to develop the on-line like he also did with Seattle
Geno had his comeback year under him?
@@assassinatdapeqbs coach in Seattle was more responsible
Lmao the narratives… So now Purdy & Goff are aliens?? 😂😂😂
Goff and Purdy are in the NFC championship wtf has fields done 🤣
@@TheUnseen0n3 what does my statement have to do with Fields??? Aliens = Mahomes, Jackson & Allen… Nobody’s ever called Purdy or Goff an alien
Or an overly stacked team…. Like 49rs…
I am tired of that whole QB discussion. Everybody has crowned CW already as the seond coming of whoever. How come then nobody batted an eyelid when many teams skipped on Mahomes? Where were the experts then? I know sticking with JF is risky, but if you can get a haul of picks and make the team complete. And even if he should fail I am sure there will still be good QBs coming out of college next year. We know of other great teams who won a title with a mediocre and not so shiny QB.
And we know plenty of teams that have won, repeatedly, with good qbs.
I feel like this weekend showed how important a great Oline is. If you watched Goff, he had a relatively clean pocket, and would go down if he was tapped. But if you watch Mayfield, he had to shake off three defenders, just to get hit by a fourth defender. And all the talk is about how Goff "Outplayed" Mayfield.
Then you watch Green Bays oline, Love looks like a hero, because he had "all day" and his receivers were often WIDE open against SF an GB. It was a miracle that the 49ers came back. Love did also make some nice throws, in a couple of pressure situations, but that Oline stood up well against SF.
Getting rid of the ball quick is another part of it. Goff and Love excel at that. It's much easier on olines if you're getting taking what the defense gives you over looking for the big play all the time.
Fields holds the ball longer than any QB in the league and his receivers don't get that open because he can't even complete a slant pass. Fields stans are on par mentally with flat earthers.
Rich you are the man. Right on targets with Waldron having plans for both QBs. Now it’s time to wheel and deal with picks. DA Bears!
Trade No.1 and draft Marvin!
The problem with Qb situation is that the bears are not a Qb away. To bring in Caleb to save the franchise is failure to start
Exactly
This choice for OC keeps all their options open for next season. Whether the thought process is Caleb vs Justin or Caleb vs Marvin. Whether it's trade the first pick or trade Fields. The OC they have chosen is a good fit for whatever he has to work with next year.
He's the right person either way for the 2024 QB. If it's Fields he will be able to get his game in order and also play call for Fields abilities. If it's a rookie QB, he will develop that QB. He has experience and in the Bears current situation probably the best choice
He’s an alien in college🤔hmmm how many other “Aliens” have when seen at the collegiate level?!?!
Well, watch him play. And consider his production on a team with very little NFL talent, a suspect oline and a defense that was giving up 35 points a game and 42 points to ranked teams.
Boy that talking heads will be disappointed when they found out Caleb is not all that in NFL. 😂
And you know so much how? 😂
The problem is we already know Fields isn't either. Better to take the chance on Caleb than continue with someone we already know isn't all that.
Has Rich talked about the Antonio Pierce hire yet? I don't see anything on RUclips
Doesn't matter who the OC is, if they don't fix the O-Line. They better address Center, and not with another team's castoff.
I have been pounding the table on this. It all starts with the Center position. Just like the drummer is the most important player in a rock band... most people do not get that.
@@jamesbarrick3403 Pressure up the A-gap is the first the QB is going to see/receive and we keep bringing in wet kleenex to stop it. Hopefully Poles sees this and addresses it this season - finally. He’s also imperative for recognizing defensive threats before the snap. I don’t see any of that in anyone we have.
Kingsbury is the new Chip Kelly
Justin Fields is staying, and the Bears are trading back to take for the highest bidder. Watch for the Fins.
Yeah cuz hes a real upgrade over Tua🙄
Patriots need to interview Kliff Kingsbury for OC a start a new era
Yeah a new era of falling off a kliff the second half of every season like clockwork
Kliff failed at Texas Tech and Arizona. Why would the Bears want him?
Justin 🧸🐻
Any time we get a John McClain quote it’s a great segment.
Caleb is a shorter Justin Fields.
I am praying the Bears do not get rid of Fields, and then just go out and Draft Marvin Harrison Jr and a really great Offensive Tackle!
Both of those options will be available to the Bears on Draft Day.
Fields can't read defenses, go through progressions, throw with anticipation, throw short passes accurately, has a horrible throwing motion, has a slow release, and has zero pocket presence.
So we're considering Goff, Mayfield, And Purdy "Aliens" now? Come on rich.
As a bears fan, I prefer Fields but im cool with whatever direction we go at QB. But the best team are loaded with talent, like Frisco, Detroit(not their secondary), Baltimore. Detroit and Frisco have great trenches to protect their QBs, and get after the other. That's what Chicago should focused on fixing.
2. JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
Draft Year: 2007 Draft Pick: No. 1 Draft Team: Oakland Raiders
Over the past quarter century, teams have been pretty good at avoiding true disasters with the top pick in the draft. The Browns missed with Tim Couch and Courtney Brown in back-to-back years to restart their franchise, yes. David Carr and Sam Bradford were not the franchise saviors they were billed as being, yes. But all of them at least had a couple moments in the sun, some highlights you could point to. Bradford was derailed by injuries; Carr, Couch and Brown from poorly-managed expansion teams. In the past quarter-century, there has only been one truly disastrous, irredeemable, no-mitigating-factors bust with the top pick, and that’s JaMarcus Russell.
Russell’s measurables were exceptional. At 6’6” with a canon for an arm, the scouts were battling each other to try and find the right superlative. Todd McShay called Russell’s Pro Day the best he had ever been to. Mike Mayock said he had never seen a college quarterback with more ability. Mel Kiper compared him to John Elway. Scouts Inc gave him a 98 in their final pre-draft player ratings; the only quarterback to score higher since was Andrew Luck. A true generational talent.
That’s not to say there were no warning signs, mind you. It was unclear, to some, if Russell was better than Matt Flynn at LSU, with Flynn impressing every time he got a chance to play. Matt Millen called Russell a “stiff” who “couldn’t pay attention for more than five minutes” after observing Russell constantly checking his watch during a pre-draft meeting. Lane Kiffin absolutely did not want to draft him - which was a problem, because Lane Kiffin was the coach of the Oakland Raiders, who had the top pick. Kiffin was overruled by Al Davis, and Russell became a Raider.
Well, eventually. Like many of the other busts on this list, Russell held out. But his hold out lasted all the way into Week 1 of his rookie season - no OTAs, no minicamp, no training camp, no preseason. As such, Russell spent most of the 2007 season on the bench, just trying to get up to speed with the Raiders’ offense. Not helping was his, shall we say, slapdash approach to film study. Raiders coaches were doubting Russell was actually studying the tapes they were giving him. To test him, they gave him blank cassettes, and then listened in shock the next day when Russell claimed to have watched the blitz packages on them. Also not helping? His conditioning, which occasionally saw him balloon up to over 300 pounds. Or, for that matter, his regular use of codeine and purple drank before, during and after his tenure with the Raiders.
Maybe his off-field problems could have been worked around if he was performing on the field, but Russell was a disaster there, too. In his 25 starts, Russell managed to rack up -1,262 passing DYAR. That’s the sixth-worst total in NFL history (since 1981), and three of the guys ahead of him put up those numbers in thousands of pass attempts. Inaccurate and inconsistent, Russell would have been a bust no matter when he was picked. To be that bad as the top pick in the entire draft - and a fairy loaded draft, with Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas and Adrian Peterson going in the next six picks - is unfathomable. If you wanted to place him as the biggest bust in NFL history, I wouldn’t blame you.
But he does come up just short for me.
As a Bears fan, it's hard to get excited about this hire. I've heard good things about Shane and some real bad things as well. You hope decisions get made based on the best qualified, but the Bears organization has been known to hire within network rather than most qualified for the job. Shane has the same agent as Poles and Eberflus [ Trace Armstrong]. Hard not to think this is an "in the circle" hire. Time will tell. Being a Bears fan, you Learn to not get excited because this team has never gotten it right. Learned my lesson to not get excited until the product on the field matches the hype. I'm not calling him a bust but just hoping he is the right person for the job. Time will tell.
Didn’t know they had the same agent but all along I’ve been one of the few that’s said Clown Poles doesn’t know WTF he’s doing. I’ll be proven right in the long run.
@saintdominicsrosary I had high hopes for this team. As soon as the season was over, Number 1 pick, a lot of cap space, and top notch coaching candidates on the marke to chose from. I thought we were going to fire the coaching staff and bring in a proven coach and let him and the GM pick their QB( Fields or Draft one). My excitement ended as fast as it had begun when they announced that EberLose was going to stay as coach. Fire Getsy, deserving, but retain a coach who spent the entire time coaching defense rather than being The Head coach. I think Poles is a good player talent scout but his head coaching decision has me worried. Im not sold yet. I hope you are wrong but at this point I can't argue that you aren't.
Waldron sucks. You guys will find out fast. Get your vanilla ice cream out.
@@TheFrenchPug I heard the same thing. Also heard that he's not much of a talker. Very monotone. Also that he doesn't run the ball and struggles in the red zone. I hope it's not true.
@obeddiaz-cortes3053 It's all true. He is very quiet, seems immature but nice, maybe over friendly, has a highschool level offensive playbook, and chokes everytime we need him to come through with a great play scheme. He took the 1st train out of Dodge on this one.
I love the Shane Waldron hire but you just assumed the Bears are gonna draft Caleb Williams there are other quarterbacks in this draft. Patrick Mahomes didn’t come into the league lighting it up. He sat for a year behind Alex Smith.
Can't wait for some of the commentary next year.
"Did you see that screen pass that Caleb threw? Even Aaron Rodgers never threw such a great ball!"
"And that handoff. Nobody has ever done a handoff that well. That's a generational talent right there."
The hype is real. Let's see how close it gets to reality.
I remember the Bryce Young hype. All I saw was a clumsy teenager thrown in main pop.
Hopefully Caleb isn’t throwing passes in Chicago next year.
@jeanfourcade Justin Fields first year starting: 1870 yards 7 td 10 ints. Bryce Young first season: 2877 yards 11 tds 10 ints. I'll take the guy with more touchdowns and yards. Young is better already in terms of first year starting.
Better then the hype for a quarterback who's never won a meaningful game and has 70 turnovers in 3 years which is Fields by the way.
@TheUnseen0n3 you think you slick huh? so you just not going to add in the rushing yards which actually count huh? Qbs throw for over 3k and still dont make the playoffs 😂
Either one is an amazing position to be in. Even if Fields stays, we are probably adding a guy like MHJ and some more OL help, especially at C. He's gonna look like a genius as long as he's not an idiot.
Fields has the ability to make everyone around him look worse
Let’s hope so 🐻🔽
There won’t be a next Mahomes for awhile. 6 straight AFC title games is hard to live up to.
Did no one catch that screaming eagle part 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Kingsbury and Fields need to come to Pittsburgh, please and thank you!!!
Fields has had 8, 300 yard games in 3 seasons.
Moving on.
If they move on they gonna be in the exact same spot next year🤦🏾♂️
@@evileyevalaus that makes no sense. Caleb is a better passer than Fields. If he processes even a second quicker they’ll be better off. They have some receiving talent but you wouldn’t know it with the running man at QB
@@steveosborn7224 it makes all of the sense bears need to draft the best player in the draft and that's Marvin Harrison Jr and then they can get more pieces then just drafting one player and being in the lottery again next year
@@evileyevalaus dude no, that’s incorrect.
You wanna build an nfl team from the inside out. You start with the O line and grab a good back because they’re cheap. Then D line and secondary.
The LAST position you put into place is a stud wide receiver. And the bears don’t currently have a Qb to throw to one.
Look man, if the Bears new OC is any good that’s an improvement on last year. If they draft a new QB that’ll improve in their QB play of last year. If the Bears are serious to draft a new guy.
@@steveosborn7224 dude your not gonna have a good team drafting Williams at 1 unless your ok with looking like the panthers did this year but if you actually want to get better than yes your draft Marvin Harrison Jr at 3 gain a couple more first round picks to fill out the team Williams is not the savior like everyone thinks he is😭🤣
So Brock Purdy is full on alien? 🤣
What the hell is Eisen talking about with the Nagy/Mahomes association in Chicago?
I know right? He must be forgetting that Nagy came to Chicago following the 2017 season in which Alex Smith was the starting QB in KC. They were actually really good that season and lost in the playoffs to Titans. They were winning the game by a lot at halftime. Can’t remember how much but I feel like it was 20+ points. Kelce ended up getting a concussion and they were entirely unable to move the ball after that. Titans came back and won the game. A few days later Nagy was hired by Chicago.
You cannot unlock Justin Fields. His issues are not something that can be developed. He processes extremely slowly and has very low FBIQ. Draft Caleb.
All due respect to Rich but Brock proves you don't need an Alien at QB (maybe alien) with a stacked roster....
Resetting the contract the clock narrative I don't buy into either...
1st with so many holes & needing better depth at key positions you still need much more draft capital (also continue to draft well) you absolutely need all the extra draft picks you can acquire in trading the 1st pick to accomplish that... Without it your basically cutting the roster stacking short & saying we are good enough now ( which is wrong) even if he turns into an Alien (again maybe)
Absolutely without question they need to trade & worry about the QB in a couple Years!!!
The closest thing to a can't miss is Harrison JR so try to get as much draft capital as possible & still draft him!! If an offer is too good to be true then you need to find a way to draft 2 of the next 2 thru 5 rated WR's as outside playmakers are 1 of the biggest holes... Absolutely need the C position to be finally solidified as well as solid OL depth and see how the passing game evolves from that over the next 2 years... If not then worry about the next QB with more than likely stacked roster!!
WR (outside playmakers)
C 1st then all around OL depth
Edge rusher
Safety
We keeping Justin point blank period
I'll take nope for 500 Alex.
With CW as your pick you lose a boatload of draft picks over next 2 years and are left with a team that is years from being truly competitive. Trade #1 pick take picks and build highly competitive team. Don’t exercise JF option and see what he can do with a greatly improved team. At end of next year negotiate a new contract if he turns into top quarterback or use 2025 draft picks to find a new quarterback through draft or trade.
Best summary of the strategy I'm rooting for. I trust Ryan Poles to go that way, simply because there is no urgency, and Caleb Williams (or other draftee QBs) are basically more of a gamble than allowing Fields to develop one for more year. Thanks, James.
Thing is, if you decline his option and he puts it together it could cost you a lot more to sign him. I would be fine with them doing what Green Bay did with Love. Instead of picking up his option, sign him to a 2-3yr contract. That way you've covered if he plays well and getting a new contract wouldn't be such a pressing issue since you would have 1 or 2 years to get one done.
Name one 2025 Qb who's better then Williams.
Why wouldn't you want to restart the rookie salary clock. It seems like a no brainer.
It would set the franchise back way further than if they trade back to 3 and draft the best player in the draft Marvin Harrison Jr
Because it would also reset when the team is ready to seriously challenge for the Super Bowl. Plus, if you look into it, since 2013 62% of all quarterbacks taken in the first round fail. And the only quarterback that was the first quarterback taken in the first round has been the most successful quarterback in that draft. That fail rate is also the worst rate of any position in the first round.
@@samismith8752 You have no idea what you are talking about. You can’t just look at stats and know how all the QBs in the NFL compare to each other. If you really think that Minshew and Rudolph are anywhere near as good as Justin Fields you are completely crazy.
Exactly how long to you hold on to Avg/Below when you have the 1st pick in the draft. @@samismith8752
@@samismith8752 I just looked through the last 20 QBs taken 1st overall and I would say there are maybe 4 of the 20 that are as you said clearly better than Justin Fields. There are 10 who are close enough on either side that I wouldn’t say they are clearly better nor are they clearly not as good. And then there are 6 who are clearly not as good. So I don’t know if you just decided anyone who isn’t clearly not as good as Justin Fields would then be considered clearly better than or what you did. Maybe you just made up the 75% number.
This is not a chess match or rocket science. This is the nfl where games are won and lost in the trenches. Just look at the teams in the playoffs. They all have big tuff offensive and defensive lines the Bears need to put Fields in a position to win ,not a situation where he is running for his life
KC's line is big and tuff [sic]?
Screaming Eagle = yum
Why he talking like Caleb is coming here as a certainty? We are rolling w Justin and we need much more than a slight increase at QB if he becomes what everyone thinks. Bc Justin will improve drastically this upcoming year. Mark it down!
Eisen is great...but he needs to have Keyshawn on to interview about QBs.
This year, Fields and DJ were the 1# WR/QB in the NFL. Harrison grew up DJ, Fields, and Harrison OSU. And now Waldron. Looks like Poles is putting a real team together, and I got to mention my boy Kmet. The dude had 107 yards before halftime in a game. Only 4 catches! It's going to be amazing watching these cats next year.
Are you delusional? How about Tua/Hill and Dak/Lamb?!? Lmao “Fields and DJ were the #1 QB/WR combo”
Um no they werent
@TheUnseen0n3 Yeah the guy made it all up. Fake news. 🤣👌 bye
Ryan Pace screwed the pooch when he drafted Tubiski over Mahomes, and he drafted up to get him, and he didn’t need to. What an awful GM!
Hell yea bears gonna have an awesome offense finally
Waldron is bleh. We wanted him to go. He took the 1st job offer he got.
@@TheFrenchPug I’m talking about them drafting Williams and they will still get a decent pick for fields and that have extra picks still in this draft and they have cap space and fields won’t be holding them back in the pass game
Nagy and Mahomes is a very interesting and poorly documented story. One story is that he was part of the process that decided to draft Mahomes and move up as necessary to get him. But when he came to Chicago, he didn't voice that opinion knowing that Pace wanted Trubisky. So, he sat on what he knew from Kansas City and KC got their quarterback. The other story is that Nagy and Fox and, perhaps others, did not want Trubisky but Pace ignored everyone and took his guy. Chicago talk radio did a talk on it noting that Jerry Kraus tried to override the "process" within the organization that decided to take Horace Grant and take Joe Wolf instead. People went to Reinsdorf who told Krauss that he could not do it but had to go back and work with the group to arrive at a consensus. They took Grant. Later the story was changed to reflect more favorably on Krauss. The point is, however, that the Bulls ownership made the GM work the process. The Bears ownership allowed the GM to play god. I have my doubts that Nagy stood up to Pace and in the end kept quiet about what he knew about Mahomes from being at KC. Trubisky is a reflection on what Gary Fencik described as a failure of structure and opined that the Bears would never be successful until they changed it.
Bears are drafting MHJ and building around Justin. That's what this tells you.
denial for jf fanboys
I wanted Kubiak but Waldron was my 2nd, and only other, choice. I didn't feel any of the others should be serious candidates.
I'm glad they didn't hire Greg Roman
@@Tek-Knight5592 I'm happy with Waldron. I wonder who had the final say?
@@patron40silver Same here. That's a good question. I'd have to imagine Ryan, Kevin, and input from Matt. I have a hard time putting faith in the organization for a lot of reasons, but I do like this hire. I was never sold on Doesn't Get It Getsy.
@@Tek-Knight5592 Agree 100%. I think it kind of sucks for a HC to not be able to hand pick his own staff but E has shown, with many of his choices, to make bad hires. Seeing how much control Warren now has, I can't imagine him not making this call. I'm not a Getsy fan, either. He gets a LOT of grief, and rightfully so, but because we don't know everything going on I won't put the entire blame on him. Did he dumb down the offense because he didn't feel Fields could handle more? Did he call the plays because he didn't think Fields could execute a more complex game plan? Either way, I'm excited about the BEARS future. 🐻DOWN
Whats crazy is Caleb hasnt shown nothing in the NFL or Combine. Which he probably skips based on his personality. Pro Days are not the same as a Combine. Its scripted. Justin was done dirty in Chicago. They didnt give him no help on offense. One WR DJ Moore and TE Kmet who came along slow due to bad play calling. An Oline that was sloppy and caused him to run for his life. Just know this, You do dirt, you get dirt. I think the Bears who dont like paying players, are trying to avoid paying Fields. They know if you give him weapons based on his Ohio State WRs he will shine. All the WRs he played with in Ohio State are star players in the NFL. If they draft Caleb, I am going to put the Bears on the back burner. They dont treat the talent on the team properly. Roquan, Montgomery, and Jaylon not signed. Beras will get whats coming to them and so will the leaders involved if they do Justin dirty. Justin will be fine going to another program.
Been saying for a couple months now...Caleb is going to end up in DC w the Comanders. & Harbaugh as head coach. They are wheeling and dealing there. He doesn't want to play in ChiTown. Washington is rebuilding, spending and caleb grew up there. There's three new guys in front office. That are movers & shakers in DC. Kingsbury could go as QB/OC & keep Bienemey as OC. CHI is gonna builld their team w pics and trades.
And you'll be wrong.
Waldron was the correct higher
From all I have seen, it is much more likely that Williams ends up a bust like Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell than he becomes the "next" Mahomes.
If I were a multi-millionaire and da bears traded the franchise, I'd place a 1mil wager that wherever the franchise lands, he will become a HOFer!!! folks don't realize, it was the coaching!!! under nagy, eberflus and getzy!! not the player. eberflus should be happy that he is still the coach.
If it’s just a business, why so much emphasis on if a player loves football or the organization? Heart and money don’t belong in the same conversation .
Caleb is not as special as Fields... Stop with the silly talk of resetting the clock. Get the haul to assure yourself of two #1's next year as well!!
70 turnovers in 3 seasons isn't special
What planet is purdy from?
I read all of these comments on here and at this point its all just noise. Poles is drafting Caleb Williams #1 overall. People talk about riding w/Justin Fields and trading the pick away and then having as a fail safe 2 first round picks in 2025 to draft a QB just in case is stupid.
We have the #1 overall pick NOW and the draft class this year is spoken about as being one of the best in years. So the Bears should trade Justin Fields and draft Caleb Williams NOW. Its the most important position on the field and to be a winner in the NFL you have to have a stud QB. Rich said it best, you need an "Alien" at QB.
Why get greedy and hope that you're going to POSSIBLY be able to trade for the #1 overall pick in 2025? That would be 3 years in a row, and it will cost a ton of draft capital and a player to get the overall #1 pick in 2025 for a rookie that will NOT be as highly regarded as Caleb Williams.
Just take the bird (Caleb Williams) in hand, cuz it beats 2 in a bush.
How did Nagy get a job because of Mahomes when Alex Smith was the starter when Nagy got said job?
I hope this don't mean they keeping Bustin.
I hate insult nicknames.
Eisner no one knows in CW is a guarantee!!
Who knows, maybe the plan is to hire Kingsbury as qb coach if they draft Williams???
Sounds like cope
Williams is waaaay overrated.
If they got kingsbury it wouldn’t matter Rich it’s the number 1 pick duh. They wouldn’t need to disguise anything if they were getting Caleb. Geez c’mon man!
Yeah we keeping Justin Fields 🎉🎉🎉
4th and 10 , season on the line just ask anyone here who they trust throwing them the ball and it's obvious what the answer is.
Caleb Williams will fail like other USC quarterbacks have failed
He's not the next Mahomes...I can't believe we use this phrase
the reason you compare him to Pat is because he runs around the backfield for 20 minutes and throws a laser IN COLLEGE......stop it cut it out
Why don't you do us all a favor compare the last 2 years of Justin at Ohio state and the last 2 of Caleb Williams at USC ....once you do that please explain to me how we are following the narrative that Caleb it's somehow better than Justin 4:05
Bears not drafting Williams… they don’t buy what you’re selling on Williams- he’s not “generational” talent…
would’ve been cool, but i don’t think anyone is upset w waldron hire rn
He has the most predictable, boring playbook in the NFL. Prepare yourself.
So we draft caleb. Im cool woth it. But what happens when he has rookie struggles and chicagoians implode. Flues is out waldron is out and caleb is now with a bew coaching staff. We did it with mitch we did it with fields bow we will do it with caleb. Im calling this the Chicago shuffle.
I guess Rich didn't watch the Ravens game. 😂
It also just happened to be -20 wind chill in Chicago the day they interviewed Kingsbury so I’m sure they were more than happy leaving Chicago.
Caleb is tofu alien
Fields doesn’t need unlocked,he needs help!! Stop creating a narrative,I never saw a guy around the NFL 24/7 like you,be so bad!! Do better Rich!!
100%
That's what Rich meant but he doesn't want to appear to be a Fields supporter, lest Fields falls short. Rich always choses the safest line.
Fields is trash
Mahomes was not QB immediatley. He had to wait a year on the bench. I think of the 49ers. Remember Joe Montanna had a back up named Steve Young for 2 seasons or more. get some draft capital and get whatever quaterback we can and still get a nice trade down. Caleb Williams has bust written all over him.
Bias take. Waldron has never develop a rookie QB...ever.
This is where the analysts just sound dumb. Reset the rookie contract. The Bears even with sweat will have 90 million in cap. Well you can pay Justin. Wait we drafted Harrison on a Rookie Deal. Wait we drafted a few other guys so in business 111 which I teach by the way. You pay for Talent Fields is known. I also don’t think Caleb is Alien. Norte Dame ? Washington ? Crying on mommy?Man up take that loss. Did you see the Bulls go well Jordan doesn’t have a jumper yet. Let’s trade him ? Nope. Why. ? Poles please do not do the dumb move.
It's not madden.
Goff is not an alien Purdy is not an alien ROOKIE CONTRACT QBs do not win SBs other than the GOAT clueless
As far as talent Caleb is a step down from Fields. Caleb may have a better career but if you can unlock the potential of Justin Fields it is not even close the guy can do it all, just often times he sucks.
The more I watch Rich. He really doesn't have a clue what he be talking about
How many teams have won superbowls on rookie contracts? What BS.
How many teams have won a super bowl with a qb that has 70 turnovers in 3 seasons.
JF1 homie
Look
Kingsberry
Had Patrick and was a poor coach
The point about slow-playing is probably at least somewhat valid, but honestly Waldron has been great last couple years whereas Kliff's claims to fame are scoring a lot of points at TTU (where he literally had Patrick Mahomes vs Big 12 defenses) and then knowing Sean McVay/Lincoln Riley. Dude is massively overrated cause he's young, white, and good looking
No way the Bears are drafting Williams. That would be a complete disaster.
Justin gone
The Bears are 100% drafting Caleb Williams.