I saw Steve Hackett about 2 years ago in Indiana. He was doing the entire Genesis 'Seconds Out" live album. It was one of the best shows I've ever seen. It was a combination of his excellent guitar work and musicians that absolutely relish in the style of early Genesis. That's why he has such a dedicated following among the prog community. It was perfection.
John Mayhew was in Steamhammer before Genesis. After, he indeed moved to Australia and worked as a carpenter (he was already a carpenter during his Genesis stint), but in the beginning of this century he returned to England, where he did do some drumming in the pub circruit and visited a couple of Genesis conventions. The band got a hold of him during the release series of the box sets, to pay him a share in royalties he was still due and that the band had kept "in storage" for him. And then he suddenly died in 2009.
In terms of happily remaining in the Genesis prog pigeonhole, by a complete mile, Steve Hackett. I love the proggy, eclectic nature of his solo albums. His guitar virtuosity remains totally undiminished. Of all the former Genesis members - with his live versions of Genesis classics - who better to carry the torch for all the truly great classic Genesis output from 1971-1976, than Steve Hackett.
You should definitely check out Anthony Phillips's "Seventh Heaven" album from 2012. It is very similar to Tony Banks's orchestral albums, but there is also a lot of guitar on the album as well. The whole album is absolutely beautiful.
You already said it, Phil most successful, Peter the most artistic, Steve very prolific and playing most progressive style. I do like Anthony but I also don't know his work well (need to do this). I play guitar myself and maybe therefor I'm more attracted to Steve's than to Tony's solo work, but Tony has done some good stuff as well. Also he collaborated shortly with Nik Kershaw. Finally there's also Ray who has a nice solo career too. Live he profits from playing Genesis work (and well, although Hackett does a super job here too), but he has some very nice solo albums too. Great vid!
Yes, Anthony Phillips has had an interesting and noteworthy career. I think that Peter Gabriel has had the most resilient career. Not only musically, but as a human rights and peace activist. Phil Collins is the most famous but his career encompassed more mainstream elements. Mike Rutherford chose an AOR path and was quite successful in that scene. Tony Banks could have had a more successful solo career but his personality is not really attuned to the self promotion necessary to achieve it. Steve Hackett has had a low key yet successful career as a torch carrier for progressive rock era Genesis.
Is this a serious question? I love Peter Gabriel. He’s 1 of the greatest showmen ever and I prefer his solo music by far over Phil’s. But Phil is 1 of only 3 people in the history of music who have sold over 100 million albums as a member of a band and over 100 million albums as a solo artist. His gated drum tone defined an entire decade of music. How could you possibly say it’s anyone but Phil?
I'd say Peter overall for both artistic and commercial appeal. I do really enjoy Phil's first three albums and he has good songs after. Hackett has a really interesting catalogue that stays true to spirit of classic Genesis. I really like Smallcreep's Day from Mike. Tony Banks, I've only listened to his first album but it's pretty good from what I remember.
Great video. I paused it to order a Banks classical album. Thanks for the tip. I have to give the nod to Peter Gabriel. He did the impossible: put out a great album in 1986!
Hey, at least your Leafs were in the playoffs, my Flyers didn't even make it lol. If I ever made my own music channel one of my first videos would be "What went wrong with Tony Banks' Solo Career", I have a lot of thoughts about it. The main thing I found is this: Tony is a composer, not a songwriter, and without Phil and Mike's ability to write hooks he just can't land a solid pop song. For that matter Steve isn't much of a songwriter either, but he nails vibe, atmosphere, and guitar antics, plus his relentless touring has given him a loyal following. Phil, Peter, and Mike all have that spark that lets them write hooks, and of course Phil does it better than any of them. (And one of the best of his generation, pop songwriter-wise) My favorite albums (or time periods) for each: A Geese and the Ghost by Anthony Phillips A Curious Feeling by Tony Banks (The one album where he nails the vibe. Also the Fugitive has its charm) The whole "Middle period" of Peter Gabriel, which is III, Security, and So, with Security being the pinnacle. Smallcreep's Day by Mike (Acting Very Strange is so-bad-it's-good in a very self-aware way) Spectral Mornings and Defector by Steve Hackett (Vibes are on point for both) Any of Phil's first 3 solo albums depending on my mood. (Face Value is underrated. No Jacket is a pop triumph)
I would add 'commercial' to that. A 'song' is not a commercial enterprise, its like a painting. A 'commercial' song is what needs the hook, the lyrics, the vocals, the engineering, the marketing team, and some luck. A few examples: Pink floyd manager Andrew King : "we learned enough to afford to get Arnold Layne into the top twenty, but we couldn't afford more" Bohemian rhapsody and queen became a hit because a DJ played it over and over again an entire weekend. Ditto Tubular Bells. Styx "Lady" became a hit when a dj played it every night at eight 'until it becomes a hit". Watch documentaries of the music industry, that scene in WKRP where a dj is paid in coke to play an album over and over isn't fantasy. Corporations largely dictated 'the soundtracks to our lives'. A quick example, Tony Banks "Call it Love". Done at the beginnng of the video age, you have Tony really really really not wanting to be in a video, really really really not wanting to travel or promote his tunes. And its a catchy song, but wait, a white guy doing a love song in reggae? Then with TWO chord changes that completely changes the sound of the song. No WAY that is going to get radio play, despite not being that long. The 'hook' is part of most pop songs, although most songs have some kind of chorus, different in folk music. But it takes all those ingredients, and of course keep in mind I think Mike and his mechanics only really had two songs that were hits in the charts. And of course the eighties were all about the love ballads.
They all had great solo careers, including Ant Phillips. There aren't really any winner's or losers here. Phil outweighs commercially but Peter had the most influential and ground breaking, and not just musically.
Ant Philips was an original member and the actual band leader, setting the tone of the band and the unique twelve string style and wrote some of the foundational songs before he quit. So, he was on the first two albums.
I agree except didn't like So. That seemed more a sellout than Genesis. Security to So seems like a whole different person. Not that I hold it against him, people have to make a living and its certainly a great 'pop' album. The Passion soundtrack is out of this world. So its like So was a break from that.
Hackett - the most prolific and progressive. Gabriel: the most artistic. Collins: the most successful. Rutherford: solo albums are less known but Mike and Mechanics was quite popular. Tony Banks: the least successful.
Least to best: (Ray Wilson doesn't count, sorry.) (Daryl Stuermer's albums are worth looking into. Should he count?) 6. Collins (By far the worst. Ugh.) 5. Rutherford (Including the M&M. Pretty good overall.) 4. Gabriel (Always nice, seldom earth-shattering. i/o is one of his best IMO.) 3. Hackett (Great and consistent artist, but he's never outdone his first few albums.) 2. Banks (Surprise! Fantastic composer. His supposed "pop" albums are quite often better than advertised.) 1. Phillips (Fantastic, uncompromising, very prolific.)
From a mainstream pop view, hands down Collins; from a view of who has the best voice it would be Gabriel; up to a point Gabriel has the best lyrics too but then he gets way too commercial. My favorite is Hackett.
Thanks for the video. Very cool. You used the word "notoriety" alot, and I think you meant to use something like "recognition" instead. But all in all, I liked your video and assessment. 😎😎
Mike Rutherford wins because he has aged the best. He still looks close to how he did in the 80's Peter Gabriel comes in second due to making the ending song to WALL-E, the best thing any Disney related entity has put out in the last 25 years
@janvrolijk9126 Tarzan is an idiot who doesn't know what a robot is, WALL-E could beat him up in a fight what's he gonna do about it Never seen brother bear but bears are cool I guess
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I saw Steve Hackett about 2 years ago in Indiana. He was doing the entire Genesis 'Seconds Out" live album. It was one of the best shows I've ever seen. It was a combination of his excellent guitar work and musicians that absolutely relish in the style of early Genesis. That's why he has such a dedicated following among the prog community. It was perfection.
Collins for success, Gabriel for quality, Hackett for volume. The rest are at a lower level unworthy of comparison.
Ant Phillips is pretty close on volume.
John Mayhew was in Steamhammer before Genesis. After, he indeed moved to Australia and worked as a carpenter (he was already a carpenter during his Genesis stint), but in the beginning of this century he returned to England, where he did do some drumming in the pub circruit and visited a couple of Genesis conventions. The band got a hold of him during the release series of the box sets, to pay him a share in royalties he was still due and that the band had kept "in storage" for him. And then he suddenly died in 2009.
Coincidence...I wonder. Just kidding, not like they kept him from collecting his money.
In terms of happily remaining in the Genesis prog pigeonhole, by a complete mile, Steve Hackett. I love the proggy, eclectic nature of his solo albums. His guitar virtuosity remains totally undiminished. Of all the former Genesis members - with his live versions of Genesis classics - who better to carry the torch for all the truly great classic Genesis output from 1971-1976, than Steve Hackett.
For me its peter Gabriel,but i do love hacketts work and legacy. He still does it
I love Genesis 69-76
You should definitely check out Anthony Phillips's "Seventh Heaven" album from 2012. It is very similar to Tony Banks's orchestral albums, but there is also a lot of guitar on the album as well. The whole album is absolutely beautiful.
Peter
He mixed creativity with success the best. Artistically only, Steve.
Gabriel obviously. Well its an easy decision for me!
You already said it, Phil most successful, Peter the most artistic, Steve very prolific and playing most progressive style. I do like Anthony but I also don't know his work well (need to do this). I play guitar myself and maybe therefor I'm more attracted to Steve's than to Tony's solo work, but Tony has done some good stuff as well. Also he collaborated shortly with Nik Kershaw. Finally there's also Ray who has a nice solo career too. Live he profits from playing Genesis work (and well, although Hackett does a super job here too), but he has some very nice solo albums too. Great vid!
Phil: most profitable
Peter: most aesthetically world changing
Steve: most prolific
Ant: most on own terms, least compromise
Peter have 8 carree's,, festival producer, your record label, uour multimedia company, humanitarian, yout studio and much more.
Yes, Anthony Phillips has had an interesting and noteworthy career. I think that Peter Gabriel has had the most resilient career. Not only musically, but as a human rights and peace activist. Phil Collins is the most famous but his career encompassed more mainstream elements. Mike Rutherford chose an AOR path and was quite successful in that scene. Tony Banks could have had a more successful solo career but his personality is not really attuned to the self promotion necessary to achieve it. Steve Hackett has had a low key yet successful career as a torch carrier for progressive rock era Genesis.
Thanks for the video! Some great details in here!
Is this a serious question?
I love Peter Gabriel. He’s 1 of the greatest showmen ever and I prefer his solo music by far over Phil’s. But Phil is 1 of only 3 people in the history of music who have sold over 100 million albums as a member of a band and over 100 million albums as a solo artist. His gated drum tone defined an entire decade of music. How could you possibly say it’s anyone but Phil?
I'd say Peter overall for both artistic and commercial appeal. I do really enjoy Phil's first three albums and he has good songs after. Hackett has a really interesting catalogue that stays true to spirit of classic Genesis. I really like Smallcreep's Day from Mike. Tony Banks, I've only listened to his first album but it's pretty good from what I remember.
Great video. I paused it to order a Banks classical album. Thanks for the tip.
I have to give the nod to Peter Gabriel. He did the impossible: put out a great album in 1986!
Haha, many of my favorite albums came out in 1986.
@@bonecanoe86 Let me guess--you were born in the seventies?
Gabriel and Hackett, Collins probably made the most but so does McDonald's.
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Hey, at least your Leafs were in the playoffs, my Flyers didn't even make it lol.
If I ever made my own music channel one of my first videos would be "What went wrong with Tony Banks' Solo Career", I have a lot of thoughts about it. The main thing I found is this: Tony is a composer, not a songwriter, and without Phil and Mike's ability to write hooks he just can't land a solid pop song.
For that matter Steve isn't much of a songwriter either, but he nails vibe, atmosphere, and guitar antics, plus his relentless touring has given him a loyal following. Phil, Peter, and Mike all have that spark that lets them write hooks, and of course Phil does it better than any of them. (And one of the best of his generation, pop songwriter-wise)
My favorite albums (or time periods) for each:
A Geese and the Ghost by Anthony Phillips
A Curious Feeling by Tony Banks (The one album where he nails the vibe. Also the Fugitive has its charm)
The whole "Middle period" of Peter Gabriel, which is III, Security, and So, with Security being the pinnacle.
Smallcreep's Day by Mike (Acting Very Strange is so-bad-it's-good in a very self-aware way)
Spectral Mornings and Defector by Steve Hackett (Vibes are on point for both)
Any of Phil's first 3 solo albums depending on my mood. (Face Value is underrated. No Jacket is a pop triumph)
I would add 'commercial' to that. A 'song' is not a commercial enterprise, its like a painting. A 'commercial' song is what needs the hook, the lyrics, the vocals, the engineering, the marketing team, and some luck.
A few examples: Pink floyd manager Andrew King : "we learned enough to afford to get Arnold Layne into the top twenty, but we couldn't afford more"
Bohemian rhapsody and queen became a hit because a DJ played it over and over again an entire weekend.
Ditto Tubular Bells. Styx "Lady" became a hit when a dj played it every night at eight 'until it becomes a hit".
Watch documentaries of the music industry, that scene in WKRP where a dj is paid in coke to play an album over and over isn't fantasy.
Corporations largely dictated 'the soundtracks to our lives'.
A quick example, Tony Banks "Call it Love". Done at the beginnng of the video age, you have Tony really really really not wanting to be in a video, really really really not wanting to travel or promote his tunes. And its a catchy song, but wait, a white guy doing a love song in reggae? Then with TWO chord changes that completely changes the sound of the song. No WAY that is going to get radio play, despite not being that long.
The 'hook' is part of most pop songs, although most songs have some kind of chorus, different in folk music. But it takes all those ingredients, and of course keep in mind I think Mike and his mechanics only really had two songs that were hits in the charts. And of course the eighties were all about the love ballads.
Money wise: Collins / Overalll best for quality, live, songs, ideas: Gabriel
They all had great solo careers, including Ant Phillips. There aren't really any winner's or losers here. Phil outweighs commercially but Peter had the most influential and ground breaking, and not just musically.
Clearly Steve Hackett had the most distinguished career - he’s the only one to have worked with @ElisabethFraser after she left Cocteau Twins 🤷🏻♂️
Ant Philips was an original member and the actual band leader, setting the tone of the band and the unique twelve string style and wrote some of the foundational songs before he quit. So, he was on the first two albums.
The ones I enjoy the MOST are hands down: Anthony Phillips (so much variety) and Peter Gabriel. My least favorite is Rutherford
Peter. Melt, Security and So...bout all you need to state the case. And that would be leaving out the Passion soundtrack, so there ya go
I agree except didn't like So. That seemed more a sellout than Genesis. Security to So seems like a whole different person. Not that I hold it against him, people have to make a living and its certainly a great 'pop' album. The Passion soundtrack is out of this world. So its like So was a break from that.
Hackett - the most prolific and progressive. Gabriel: the most artistic. Collins: the most successful. Rutherford: solo albums are less known but Mike and Mechanics was quite popular. Tony Banks: the least successful.
gabriel a world apart
Note that Chris Stewart is also an author and has written a number of well-received books about his experiences in Spain.
It's Phil and you can't tell me otherwise
Least to best:
(Ray Wilson doesn't count, sorry.)
(Daryl Stuermer's albums are worth looking into. Should he count?)
6. Collins (By far the worst. Ugh.)
5. Rutherford (Including the M&M. Pretty good overall.)
4. Gabriel (Always nice, seldom earth-shattering. i/o is one of his best IMO.)
3. Hackett (Great and consistent artist, but he's never outdone his first few albums.)
2. Banks (Surprise! Fantastic composer. His supposed "pop" albums are quite often better than advertised.)
1. Phillips (Fantastic, uncompromising, very prolific.)
collins and hackett and phillips but best hackett
Hi! I strongly advice Ant’s Private Parts and Pieces VIII: New England. It’s a proper album (not like the others PPnP) and my favourite from him!
From a mainstream pop view, hands down Collins; from a view of who has the best voice it would be Gabriel; up to a point Gabriel has the best lyrics too but then he gets way too commercial. My favorite is Hackett.
Steve Hackett. Everyone else sold out. Ok, maybe not Ant. Lol.
Who sold out and why do you believe that?
steve hackett, obviously. Phil was the most succesful but... the quality...
Thanks for the video. Very cool. You used the word "notoriety" alot, and I think you meant to use something like "recognition" instead. But all in all, I liked your video and assessment. 😎😎
A lot*
Mike Rutherford wins because he has aged the best. He still looks close to how he did in the 80's
Peter Gabriel comes in second due to making the ending song to WALL-E, the best thing any Disney related entity has put out in the last 25 years
What about Tarzan and Brother Bear?
@janvrolijk9126 Tarzan is an idiot who doesn't know what a robot is, WALL-E could beat him up in a fight what's he gonna do about it
Never seen brother bear but bears are cool I guess
Smallcreeper`s Day !? Ray Wilson ???!!
tie between phil and peter. Mike and the Mechanics have some great songs. everyone peaked in the 80s with Peter's 1992 album being very awesome
Financially but also musically way above the rest was Phil Collins.
Phil Collins, obviously
Tony banks is genesis
peter gabriel...
quality over quantity...
Small creeps not. Creapers
Any other choice besides Phil is a lie...Phil is CLEARLY more succesful,he sold more,had more hits,made better music.
No consideration for Ray Wilson? Not even a mention or his solo work? You mention Chris Stewart WTF and not Ray? Ill Unsubscribe
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