The Classical Music of India: The Mathematics Behind the Sound
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- Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2024
- Presenter: V. R. Venkataraman, Artistic Director of The Music Circle
In this forum, V.R. Venkataraman, Artistic Director of The Music Circle, will demonstrate traditional South Indian music, how it develops from steady drones and wild improvisation, yet retains mathematical relationships as it elevates the energy of the room. Venkataraman has a passion for imparting his knowledge of culture, music, and mathematics in the age-old tradition of "Gurukulavasam". Through his vision for The Music Circle, in recent years he has introduced an event series called Parampara, Emerging Artists and Living Legends in Concert, aiming to represent the full diversity of the classical tradition with music and dance from both North and South India and by leading exponents of the fields of percussion, voice, and strings. In this presentation, V.R. will play the mridangam and will be accompanied by a student. V.R. has performed internationally with many notable western artists and has played with the greats of Indian music, including L. Subramaniam, the master of sitar, Ravi Shankar, and Harihar Rao. He met with George Harrison early in his career. He has been Professor of Music at San Diego State University, a professor of Applied Mathematics, and is currently Executive Chef at Appu’s Tumeric Café in Long Beach.
When I was a kid. Carnatic music teachers spent their time chiding and yelling at us, cursing us for not being able to pick up. They were impatient. That pushed us away from it. Cinema music is what we relied on to gain solace for ourselves. Wish we had teachers like this.
nonsense. just because you had a bad teacher doesn't mean all of them were/are like that. stop projecting
Nonsense. I had a good and kind teacher. Stop making unfounded statements.
❤ A malicious fabrication.
I've watched several and patience and good humour are of their essence.
the last sentence is so true... there is something divine about a great music, it comes with u🙏
Classical rhythms in both North and South India are unparalleled in their sophistication. Guruji’s lecture opens our minds to the subtleties of Carnatic rhythmic science.
Thanks IWC in Santa Barbara & Guruji Gem of a program Lot to learn Thanks
What a wonderful lecture! I am a Sitar hobbyist and have written a great deal of Urdu poetry where I have emphasized the music with which this universe is filled. Frequency in Arabic or Urdu is "Irteaash", and harmony is "Insejaam". People who are not tuned to the harmony which pervades this universe belong to the the tribe of besuras. I wish I could share some of my poetry with this learned teacher. Many thanks to him.
But our converted lot says Music is HARAM in Islam 😮
OMG! Divine lecture, captivating throughout its entirety. What a master, what a Guru!! So grateful for this knowledge 🙏 🙏🙏
Wonderful presentation Shri VR. Among the finest, most thrilling presentations, that I have ever experienced.
What an inspiring teacher. He gives us encouragement and motivation. He brings out the talent within the student.
Very clearly Explained and played with clarity.
Congratulations Dear Venkatraman Sir
Anoor Sharmaji. Thank you for your kind words.
What a wonderful teacher he is! Pranamam
SIR MRIDUNGUM FITS INTO COSMIC DANCE OF LORD SHIVA AS I FEEL. JAI HO GURUJI WHOLE UNIVERSE IS BORN FROM LORD SHIVAS DAMARU AS I LEARNT. THIS VIDYA INCLUSIVE OF MUSIC AND RYTHAM DANCE, ALL THE BEST WISHES FOR THIS DISPLAY M V P
Fascinating, exhilarating exposition! Music is like an ocean in its depth, and like a river in its flow. It is as profound as it is a paradox that mathematical impulses and calculations lie at base of all great music. Altogether, a masterly lec-dem!
You inspire us by explaining with rythamic analogy with mathematics setting up the mathematics into our subconscious mind.
Lovely way to teach.
Great Guru 🙏🏼...very much liked to listened to his teachings
It's a wow video
Thanks sir
Every learning musician shud see this video
This master has internalized the rhythm patterns that he is living the rhythm pattern on this demonstration.
I am amazed at his skill.
I have listened to hundreds of Karnatic music recitals and never did I ever know the so much rhythm patterns are there even in one ragam.
This teacher should go to Indian TV programs to do the same lec-dem programs for Indian audiences so that they appreciate India’s rhythm science.
Kollengode S Venkataraman
There are several such Lec-dems are happening in India.
PRACTITIONERS OF INDIAN CLASSICAL MUSIC WOULD SEEM TO BE AN IDEAL SOURCE FOR CONDUCTORS OF WESTERN SYMPHONY ORCHESTRAS. ALSO HUGE UNTAPPED MARKET IN INDIA FOR WESTERN CLASSICAL MUSIC CONCERT-GOERS!
Great Guruji❤ venktramanan sir. Thank you 🙏 I’ll start practicing from today
Well put together. Great teaching ability in addition to the musical ability
Very interesting lecture, intricate and interesting
This is terrific ... thank you. Regards
There is Special Acknowledgment and Admiration for the so-called “Written Indian Musical Notes” from the Western Culture, for e.g Beethoven, Mozart, Tchaikovsky etc, etc. Written Music Will encapsulate those musical sounds which if preserved in written form(s) can be replicated for the present and future generations of Musicians. There is NO guarantee that the present technology has yet to be proven to last thousands of years. Therefore, Sanatan Hindus, because of its thousands of years of Hindu Civilisational cultural heritage, could devise a system whereby the indigenous musical and lyrical notes could be preserved in a written format for the future generations of musicians.
JAI SHREE RAM !!!
Thanks Guruji for all the encouragement and information.
This master has internalized the rhythm patterns that he is living the rhythm pattern on this demonstration.
I am amazed at his skill.
Kollengode S Venkataraman
Guruji, kya baath.
"Mrit" is the Sanskrit word for clay. (As is seen in Shudraka's play "Mricchakatikam" -- Mrit + Shakatikam -- The Toy Cart made of Clay.) Mrit + Angam -- Mridangam.
Mrudhu angam = Mrudhangam = soft part means to say that the sound is softer than other percussion instruments like Thavil, Chenda, Parai, etc.
@@samwienska1703 That's not likely correct, because the rules of sandhi in sanskrit will not join those two words in such a manner. If it were indeed mrudu + angam, it would have been called mrudvangam (the "va" is what happenens when a final "u" is joined with an initial "a").
The fact that it is called mridangam means that the comment by @hkumar is likely more correct
@@arjun_ragafanatic The two words may be Sanskrit. But the compounding rule is according to the Tamil grammar.
Mridhu + Angam = Mridhangam (I e. Mridhuvaana angam). This differentiates from the hard percussion instruments like Thavil, etc.
@@samwienska1703 Sanskrit words cannot have random compounding due to unrelated grammar lol
O my! Excellent demonstration to an audience unfamiliar with Indian music or Indian prayer hymns.
Wonder how many youngsters in India can appreciate the nuances of this Lec-Dem.
God Bless this teacher.
In the Indian traditional/ classical music culture, music is devine and is practiced like one would practice spiritualism. Absolutely committed maestros
thank you for this
Beautiful
Simply brilliant and insightful 😮
Carnatic music is mathematics
This is universal music.
Every music is mathematical .@@rahulkumarsett1981
Sir humble pranams. It is not "mri" and "angam". It is actually "Mrut or Mrit" and then Anga. When t is added with a vowel Anga it becomes d so that's why we have Mri-danga or mridangam in Tamil. Most of the Sanskrit origin words which were later adapted into Tamil had an "m" added at the end. Examples Tala - Talam,; Mridanga-Mridangam; Raga-Ragam; swara-swaram etc.
Mrit in Sanskrit means Clay ; "Anga" in Sanskrit means body. It has to be Mrit + Anga joined to give us Mridanga. Dr V Raghavan in one of his articles for Music Academy Journal says it is not because the Body is clay that the Mridanga is Called a Mridanga. but, it is because the Mridanga has a black patch which is basically a mud particle made like a paste and applied on the Mridanga which produces it's tonal quality. He quotes various literary works in that article titled "Why is Mrdanga so called?". Humble pranams to you sir. Namasthey
Speechless 😂amazing
Kripya aisi research type charchain ka hindi rupanntaran screen par kren.tq
Thank you so much! This is very precious
I EVEN DETECT SOME BEETHOVEN FUGUE TREATMENTS AT TIMES, SPECIFICALLY SYMS 3, 5,, 7.
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The word mrdanga = mrt + anga
where mrt = clay in Sanskrit
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Would love to know the connection between raga and flamenco in terms of time (Buleria/Raga)
Is it not
Mrdhu -soft
Angam- body
In comparison with the Thavil !!
For the sound produced ??
That's good to know, thank you for the information. Could you explain the difference between a thavil & mrudhangam, please! Thanks!
sound is echoing
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Nobody’s mind/brain is alike! So, a set time of 17 mins will not benefit anyone or everyone.
Mastering a skill is a complex process- it’s not same for anyone!
modi should speak like this
What’s his expertise or command on any subject? 😀
Mirthyu means soil
Does all this math and art make one a better human being? An unselfish person? Does it help them care about the struggles of others, or even of other artists? Perhaps this a good point of reflection here for this artist.
THE ABSENCE OF THIS SUBTLETY in life creates perversion, selfishness etc which u r looking to solve. Such sublime music with Math as its base, is UPASANA. Eleveates one spiritually. so the answer is not only YES. Such music & such subtle knowledge alone can lift a human being sir.Try it out. Music serves a different purpose. Y r u mixing unrelated aspects?
it does. at a very simple level it occupies your mind with good, positive actions that will benefit you for many lifetimes.
Hmm good question. Let's think in a different direction: if not math and art, what are the things you feel makes one a better human being? And is there a way for us to tell if we're indeed becoming a better human? Actually, how do we judge if someone is a good human? Is it based on how we feel? Or is it based on someone else judging us as good/bad?
Ridiculous statement. Get a life. Music is to life is what taste is to food.
Is this demonstration for musicians? Laymen can barely understand
You are right; a simple teacher will give all this knowledge in a simple manner in a long period of learning. 😅
Of course it's for musicians and their tribe - they got their own language and it's not for the UNWASHED like most of us!
Indian music and singers are the best....european classical lacks the sophistication of India
..the closest is jazz
APPLES AND ORANGES COMPARISON?
More like saffron and sawdust
Didn't you tell him, it's not his mythology, it's our history.
Like monkeys speaking Sanskrit.
Of all the things he said, this is the one point that you selected to comment upon?!!
@@apoorvsharma4991 and you chose to focus on it, how low! I took all and chose to comment on which needed change. That's the purpose isn't it, or should I just take it without commenting, I am not log of wood.
@@atulkalia4310 no, you aren't a log of wood and should comment on what you feel is appropriate but I think that commentary should be on the entirety else it's nitpicking. From a 90 minute lecture that wasn't even about mythology vs history debate, your picking of that bit was quite surprising for me. Bcz overall the lecture was quite enlightening and did good service to our 'history'. Nitpicking makes things very dark. Don't you think so?
On a separate note, calling others views as 'low' is not good but you have the freedom to do that too. Hahaha
@5:30 - Why couldnt Shiva just restore his own son's head/identity rather than kill an elephant and use its head?? Make's no sense.
Pity you who is so full of his own theology that he fails to recognize the truths presented to him on a platter. Your comment is unwarranted, uncalled for, and only reveals your bigotry.
@krishnamoorthysankaranaray4057 coz u couldn't answer a question, u started labelling others already. Pity your lack of intellect or reasoning, you self professed bigot and moron
@krishnamoorthysankaranaray4057 look who's bigotry is revealed u self professed religious zealot.
@krishnamoorthysankaranaray4057 take a good look at your face and your hypocritical talks, loser.
The entire incident has an esoteric/meta meaning as the intention, which is out of scope of this discussion.
17 minutes? 🤮
Four times per day. Try being totally focused for that period on any skill over a period of years. It's extremely challenging and transforming.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Don’t give this Arya BS belittling the Siva story!
There is Special Acknowledgment and Admiration for the so-called “Written Indian Musical Notes” from the Western Culture, for e.g Beethoven, Mozart, Tchaikovsky etc, etc. Written Music Will encapsulate those musical sounds which if preserved in written form(s) can be replicated for the present and future generations of Musicians. There is NO guarantee that the present technology has yet to be proven to last thousands of years. Therefore, Sanatan Hindus, because of its thousands of years of Hindu Civilisational cultural heritage, could devise a system whereby the indigenous musical and lyrical notes could be preserved in a written format for the future generations of musicians.
JAI SHREE RAM !!!
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This master has internalized the rhythm patterns that he is living the rhythm pattern on this demonstration.
I am amazed at his skill.
I have listened to hundreds of Karnatic music recitals and never did I ever know the so much rhythm patterns are there even in one ragam.
This teacher should go to Indian TV programs to do the same lec-dem programs for Indian audiences so that they appreciate India’s rhythm science.
Kollengode S Venkataraman
There is Special Acknowledgment and Admiration for the so-called “Written Indian Musical Notes” from the Western Culture, for e.g Beethoven, Mozart, Tchaikovsky etc, etc. Written Music Will encapsulate those musical sounds which if preserved in written form(s) can be replicated for the present and future generations of Musicians. There is NO guarantee that the present technology has yet to be proven to last thousands of years. Therefore, Sanatan Hindus, because of its thousands of years of Hindu Civilisational cultural heritage, could devise a system whereby the indigenous musical and lyrical notes could be preserved in a written format for the future generations of musicians.
JAI SHREE RAM !!!
There is Special Acknowledgment and Admiration for the so-called “Written Indian Musical Notes” from the Western Culture, for e.g Beethoven, Mozart, Tchaikovsky etc, etc. Written Music Will encapsulate those musical sounds which if preserved in written form(s) can be replicated for the present and future generations of Musicians. There is NO guarantee that the present technology has yet to be proven to last thousands of years. Therefore, Sanatan Hindus, because of its thousands of years of Hindu Civilisational cultural heritage, could devise a system whereby the indigenous musical and lyrical notes could be preserved in a written format for the future generations of musicians.
JAI SHREE RAM !!!