My New Nikon Has Strange Aspect Ratio
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
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I am with you I bought a Z6ii last November and I bought the S5II with the 2 lens kit 20-60 and 50mm in February
I like your choices too😀
There should be a menu setting that lets choose the aspect ratio 4:3, 16:9, 3:2, 1:1, I use this quite a bit to shoot square B&W...
Thanks for the tip, but you did not understand what I tried to say. Watch this and maybe you'll understand: ruclips.net/video/8TrjVOLiCBY/видео.html
As a nikon user, it's pleasant to my eyes viewing the photos in the video. It's like they're already natives to my eyes
Thanks. I'm happy to hear I have not managed to filter out the Nikon look in my photos.
Nikon’s Z primes are 🔥
The 50mm 1.8S is amazing.
Great to see you reviewing different cameras. I tried the Nikon z6 for 18 months but sold it for two reasons. The video looked gorgeous but jello was terrible. Also, Nikon don’t allow you to save different “release” modes to specific U custom settings.
Thanks for sharing. I have not so far encountered those issues.
Hi Matti, that was the friendliest rant I've ever heard, Ha Ha, it matches your friendly personality. I am a Nikon user and I think you picked a damn fine camera, I can't believe it's entry level. You will have fun with this camera and make great memories. Thanks for sharing Matti 😊.
Thanks. Can't be too hard on such a nice little camera😀
That's for sure thanks Matti 😊
Hi Matti! Instead of cropping in camera, you can set up framing guides in the viewfinder to the aspect ratio you want and this retains the entire photo.
Thanks for the tip! I have somehow missed that but have to try it.
Ah, this is just a visual tool to help the composition, nothing to do with the cropping. And yes, we can choose the 16:9 framing guides.
@@chrisbale11 well, the complaint is that the raw files are cropped, so this is a way around that
I shot My first photos that were published in 1969 with a (Nikon F)(in My case) !!! I also have stayed with the Nikon Cameras thru My life (but loving all things tech, I of course also own many other brands)..... Not being sure about mirrorless in the beginning,, My first was a Z5 which is a Very Capable Camera !!!! It gives Me everything that more expensive Variants can (the Z8 is Epic) !!! The new Nikkor Z lenses are Amazing !!! Matti try the 28mm n 40mm Nikkor they are Great and reasonably priced (and the older lenses are a step back to the past)...... I really enjoy Your Videos ThankYou My Friend :) :) :)
Thanks for sharing. I have tried the 40mm F2 and it is fantastic. The 28mm also looks very nice and I may have to test that as well.
It really sucks that raw capture doesn`t override jpeg presets in aspect ratio. I didn`t know nikon did this.
Not that it matters, it only makes Sony that little bit better once more.
Cheers Matti, it’s Sean in Atlanta! Congratulations on that new Nikon Z5! I bought one about a half a year ago and I absolutely love it! I got mine with the 24-200 mm lens and the 40 mm f2 lens. That’s a fantastic combo because both lenses are small for their abilities! I know the Lumix will be great, as well.
Thanks for another great video and I really hope you enjoy your new cameras! Take care!
Sean
Thanks for sharing and watching😀
I like the message you are conveying here, without conveying. Find the camera which gets you excited.
Thanks.
You are so awesome, I have been watching you for a long time, I dont even care about the cameras, i just wanna hear your input on camera gear.
Thank you for an interesting video. I have been looking around for a new camera. And this aspect ratio cropping on the Z cameras has sort of turned me away from them. So I was looking at maybe getting a Sony a7r II or III version but I read somewhere that you can't shoot square on them at all, is that true or have they fixed that?
The Z5 is a really good value unless that aspect ratio is somehow an absolute deal breaker. My A7IV can shoot 1:1 but I don't about the A7RII or the A7RIII.
@@mattisulanto Thank for a quick reply. I really like the colours out of the Nikon Zs. And there are quite a few cheap primes, the 40mm and 28mm as well as 3rd party lenses. I don't know if the crop of the raw is that deal breaker really. I currenly use a Fuji X-T20 and I mostly shoot jpegs and it is nice to see the composition directly in the EVF. But I suppose I can crop in post.
I have been looking at a lot of cameras and I am mostly interested in Olympus/OMDS and Nikon and Fuji, the Sonys have been interesting after I learned about the crop on the Zs. I want a weather sealed camera. The MFT seems smartest out of economic stand point alot of cheap 2nd hand lenses. I also like the idea of the live composite and the ability to focus stack in camera, smaller lenses etc. But I am a beginner and I am not sure about how they do in low light especially if I want to freeze movement.
Since I am a beginner and I have only used the X-T20, I only have 2nd hand knowledge about the differences between the different sensors. Sorry for rambling on 😀.
I thought you were going to say that they had the A4 paper / A1 poster aspect ratio that Sigma fp cameras have, as I think Hasselblad has added this now, and it makes a lot of sense for printing so I expect the industry to increasingly include it.
Forums often complain of having to re-activate crops for raw files, so I can understand the decision from Nikon.
Personally, I'd almost always shoot square with Fuji cameras. I'd often find completely new compositions when I'd go over the file with the in-camera adjustments -- even discovering entirely new subjects off-frame when I'd change the aspect ratio. For that reason, I'd prefer raw to include the whole film canvas. An OPTION to hardcode the crop in raw formats would be useful in some situations, though.
The Z5 price-to-performance attracted me, too -- primarily as a platform for M lenses or double-adapted SA lenses (to avoid Sony), or to use Voigtlaenders unadapted; but now that L-mount is diversifying (+ PHASE-DETECT!!), and Voigtlaender is making even smaller lenses for Fuji (I still have an X-T2 and X-Pro1), it would not see much use.
My GAS bursts are pretty much confined to L-mount now (like the exotic Blackmagics and Sigmas) -- at least until an X-Pro4 or some other HybridVF rangefinder appears.
Thanks!💎🦘
I'd actually like an A4 aspect ratio sensor😀 Many camera systems make no sense but I want to explore a bit because I talk about cameras here on RUclips.
Hi Matti. I,must admit I have difficulties to understand your point.´if your aim is to be able to reframe a certain aspect ratio… shoot in full frame and put the aspect ratio - where you want it in the frame - in post…
I don't understand either. For ex, if your intent when photographing a scene is to present it in 16x9, then it doesn't matter what's outside of that ratio. It's like when you take a photo of a scene at 50mm, even tho you have a 28-70mm zoom lens. You commit that outside of that frame, it doesn't matter. Otherwise, one would shot shoot everything at 28mm and crop to whatever field of view you want in post because you fear that you may be missing out.
I may have to make a video on this because so many don't understand😀
@@mattisulanto hum perhaps but funnybeingme comparison is quite good :).
I think I know about the aspect ratio problem. I took a photo years ago with my Olympus PEN E-PL2 in 16:9 and the version of Lightroom at the time I could not see the full raw file only the 16:9. There is a old plugin to view the full raw file but I tried it and did not work for me. Years later I opened that raw file with a much newer version of Lightroom and there was the full 4:3 ratio of that photo I took.
From what I understand about raw files. Companies have to give the keys to Adobe so they can read all the data. A lot of times Adobe has to hack around to open up these raw files. If you look at Sony and Canon they do not share the key with Adobe to view the lens profile. That's why Adobe to to make their own lens profiles for Canon and Nikon.
From my understanding Olympus aka OM Systems and Panasonic five Adobe full control so the photographer to edit their files very good.
Before watching this video I had no idea Nikon was allowing third-party lenses!
They started that last year if I remember correctly.
@@mattisulantoIn 2020 there were already like 24 third-party lenses available in the Z mount. Now it is around 200 or something.
Mostly manual Chinese lenses, but some are literally gem. Viltrox, yongnuo had some how got Nikon's approval for af from the earlier days.
@@user-qe7gw4yv7y I was talking about native Z AF lenses but forgot to say that out loud.
@@mattisulanto I have been using 3rd party Native Nikon Z mount AF lenses since the Viltorx 85mm 1.8 in April 2021
That is weird. I typically shoot jpeg with raw backup. In once shot accidentally had my Canon in a wrong aspect ratio (iirc 4.3 instead of 3:2). I was annoyed that the camera had no function to expand it but at least the Canon DPP had.
I can recommend the Viltrox 56/1.7 lens. It is DX and the camera will shoot in APS-C mode, roughly 85mm angle. But you wouldn't believe how good the 10MP photos are. It's under 200 euro with AF and all...
Thanks for the tip.
I will say, try 7artisan 50mm f1.05 manual z mount ff lens. Excellent in that price point from f1.05.
It makes more sense if you consider that this aspect ratio selection is primarily for switching between full frame (FX) and crop (DX), since when using DX lenses you would just get a lot of heavy vignetting around the frame, making most of the image outside the DX frame pretty much useless. So it makes sense to just throw that away to conserve space and have the ability to take more photos before the internal buffer runs out.
You can choose Nikon Z lenses from 20 Lens brands. German, Japanese, Chinese. Minimum 240 Lenses total. Plus with adapters all other brands or mount systems because of the lowest flanch distance. Vintage Canon, Minolta, Leica, Nikkor,... ? No problem.
Wow, I did not realize 20 brands make native AF lenses for the Z. That's much more than I thought.
@@mattisulanto skinflint price comparison website has good specs search. I searched about the Z Mount and than looked at the brands who remained. But not at the English price comparison site, at the german brother of this site with more lenses and brands because of more shops in the database of the german site (geizhals).
Welkom back to Lumix.
Thanks.
solid camera, waiting on the z5 ii and z6 iii though
After that there is going to be the Z5 III, then the Z5 IV...😀
Thanks Matti for sharing your thoughts and comments... always enjoy hearing about Nikon as I am a Nikon user (not mirrorless as yet) ... cheers from Australia 🦘🦘 😀
Thanks. Maybe one day you'll switch to mirrorless😀
I'm surprised you didn't get a the Nikon ZF.
I did try it briefly and it did not feel that great and the price is more than double what I paid for the Z5.
I told you you will buy the Z5! :)
You read my mind😀
Haha! I recently returned home to Nikon as well, looking forward to your future impressions and work!
Awesome! Thank you!
Someone said the word 'Strange' is a cryptonite to camera company
😂Let's see what happens.
@@mattisulanto 😅
obviously is missing just a canon camera to complete the collection 😮
Correct, but Canon is not on my list right now.
I thought you could bring it back in Nikon NX Studio?
Well, that I have not tried.
Excellent choice! Great for street! The Zeeeeee Five, by Knee Con 😍 A great FF. I have the 40mm lens. If one needs ultra sharp, the 50mm is available. And I like the Lumix GX-9 as the greatest MFT for the street.
Thanks! I have the Viltrox 40mm and that's also pretty sweet but probably not in the same league as the Nikkor 50mm.
The baked aspect ration is weird. But I never use that feature.
It helps me to compose if the final photo is 16:9 for example. Like a RUclips cover photo.
@@mattisulanto seems like this could be fixed with a software patch.
@@bngr_bngr Probably yes, if someone made that patch.
Am i right these are going for about $900?
...and Lumix is putting the S9 for sale at $1400?
what am i missing here. I mean I like Lumix and I want them to succeed, but ...
Two different cameras for different users.
@@mattisulanto sure .. true .. I just feel like that r5 is a far better deal. Nikon is really doing a great job lately imho.
Thanks Matti, and that’s why I’m sticking to MFT. You have to use the native aspect ratios you choose with Nikon. With other cameras, you can use them as a guide and it’ll go back to the original in Post, which means you need to determine which ratio you want when shooting. I often change my mind in post, so Nikon’s are out for me - and I have one anyway, sitting on the shelf!
Is that the Robin Z5 you take to Finland?
I explain that in the video.
I know three wedding photographers who use thar camera
I'm sure there are many more than just three😀
Hi,
I don't understand this remark about this ratio. In my opinion, it's pretty logical. You have what you decide at the capture moment.
If you want to decide later in post, simply choose the native ratio.
I personally want to get what I decided at the moment... But, I guess it's my conception
Nikon d750 sensor in it
That seems to be the consensus.
Congratulations on the Z5 Matti! My pro work began with Nikon 35mm and DSLRs, so I relate to that desire to get into Z. That's why I bought the Zf. No regrets!
Thanks! The Zf looks gorgeous but was out of my budget this time.
I think it's much cleaner to deliver croppeed raws. In XT-5, I miss that feature. However, I think it should have option to choose what to do, rather than enforce.
Yes, would be nice to able to choose.
Well, I don’t think this is a new thing for a Nikon shooter. I shot with several Nikon DSLR models in the past. Nikon's cropped mode always affects the RAW file permanently, and there is no way to restore the original 3:2 size. It seems they implement the RAW file cropping to their mirrorless as well. That’s why when I was still shooting with the Nikon DSLR, I only used 3:2 full size and never used the other aspect ratio. If wanted to crop then did it in Post.
Sorry to hear about this and I hope you found this before you purchased your new Nikon Z5, and not regret buying it.
I never used crop modes before but now I have a specific need for that. Anyway, like I said in the video, I'm very happy with the camera and I knew how the crop works.
For the price that z5 is hard to beat. I believe it has the d780 sensor inside of it. Nikon has nice smaller 28mm/40mm/26mm primes which I wish lumix had
I actually much prefer the in body crop modes of Nikon. There is no point in choosing a crop mode and then start messing around in post.
Nikon Z7, around USD1,000 used. A steal.
The Z5 is an amazing camera, can strongly recommend it to anybody who is interested in a great photography camera. It's not the best for video, but if that's not your thing, then this camera is for you. You only pay for what you need, great EVF, great IBIS, great image quality, dual card slots, etc.
How's the autofocus? is it reliable say on low light events?
@@Dave_Andre what do you need it for? If for professional work, then go for more high level cameras, the Z6 or Z8.
If not paid, don't waste money on those cameras, the Z5 with the right lenses is more than enough.
This is obviously just a matter of opinion or personal preference but I prefer the Nikon way of doing things. Does that make me weird? 😅
I can't say it makes you weird because 99% of what Nikon does is not weird😀
Enjoy...but are you on-selling your Sony or is this a touch of gas to top you up, Matti?
Not selling anything right now.
The AF of Z5 is quite poor, years behind a Nikon Zf.
When I briefly tried the Zf it did not feel like that😀
@@mattisulanto Tracking (AF-C) in the night with neon light, nearly no sharp pics, no sharp eyes.
I didn't believe that I will consider Nikon once again after switching to Fuji 9 years ago. I went through few Fuji Cameras and I will stick to my X-T5 + prime, but I am considering to buy second body just with zoom for travel. In this case I don't need to have another Fuji because it will be just one body and one lens. Fuji offer is worse - mid-level cameras are fine for video but lack of weather sealing, better battery, 2 SD cards and big evf (X-T50), or still lack weather sealing, 2 SD, bigger evf (X-S20). Another X-T5 would cost me more than Nikon Z5 + 24-70/4. Very very hard decision and Nikon has no competition now in this segment. I don't need 8-11 fps, 4k 60fps etc. I just want camera for travel. Fuji benefit is size, weight and colors across my setup, but that is it. 🥲