I Took a Grinder to My Powder Coated Frame! | Long Bed Larry - Ep.18
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In this video, we use a product from archivegarage.com to hang the Chevy 64" springs. I go through all the details you need to know to do that. Also, I address two common questions I've been getting at the end of the video.
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For rivet removal grind a flat spot enough to center punch it and drill it flush then air chisel it off
I hope it rides a lot better
It will, it's not hard to ride better than stock springs :)
Another good video. I looked into this awesome product a while ago, great idea but doesn't quite accomplish what I want to do. Club Cabs have a taller frame and I want the spring hangers as low as possible to eliminate as much lift block as possible without using a lift spring. Flatter springs ride better and a lower center-of-gravity is better for carrying a cabover camper. Too many projects, not enough time!
Great video! I’ve been thinking about doing this for a while.
Great work as always. Thanks again for all the awesome videos
Thanks man!
I don’t think you should totally write off doing a shackle flip. Idk why you’d be so worried about it causing pinion angle issues since you’re changing springs and lifting it and gonna have to correct the angle anyway. A shackle flip actually helps pinion angle on a lifted truck since it tips the axle in the direction you need when lifting something. I did a shackle flip on my Chevy and it’s lifted and it actually tipped my pinion up at the perfect angle so I didn’t even have to shim my axle or anything, plus no lift blocks which is always great. My driveshaft is at an almost perfect straight angle, and the flip made the truck ride smoother too, which I know you’d really like since you did the spring swap for a better ride. Plus you can pretty easily adjust your lift height by a couple inches up or down by using a longer or shorter shackle, which is way easier than having to swap a lift block or taking leaf springs out.
I think I almost wrote the same comment. Pinion angle is going to have to change no matter what with that lift.
@@cscrum Yeah I’m not sure why he’s so against a flip for that reason when he’s lifting the truck and gonna have to do something about the angle anyway. I’ve never seen anyone do a flip and it make the pinion tip too far up either, its usually about where you need it to be. Im not against doing blocks, but a shackle flip is just a SO MUCH better option. The biggest reason he should do one is he already did all the work of removing the old mounts which is the hardest part of the process.
@Cameron Crum At Archive Garage, our 1st product ever was our Shackle Flip for the 1st gen, we know everything about what happens. You can do it your way, but this way is actually better for most people. We are opening some people's minds to better ways to do things. The shackle flip doesn't necessarily bring a better ride, and it is definitely NOT the best shackle arrangement for towing. A tension shackle is the best all around solution if you have a "do-it-all" truck, that's why the majority of domestic trucks come that way. If you need to change pinion angle, a simple ~3 deg shim is easy
@@archivegarage7638 Why is a tension shackle better? I probably would've done a shackle flip to get rid of the lift block and possibly wouldn't have to arch the springs making them stiffer. I'm not arguing, I just want to understand why this is better.
@@captainswampy9501 These reasons: 1. Experience: I had our shackle flip on both my Cummins and on my Tacoma, and then switched back to tension hanger and both rode better. 2. Tension shackle hangers in general have a greater degree of shackle rotation than a shackle flip, approx 135deg vs 90deg for flip, if you want max suspension travel without worrying about your shackle angle 3. A shackle flip on the Cummins can really kick up the pinion angle too much, and seemed to increase power-on axle wrap/vibration on my truck when I had stock springs. With a mild lift, especially on Club or Crew Cab, just space down the center bearing if needed. 4. Geometry: The stock design has the spring purposely angled down in front so the main leaf pushes at the front hanger straight on, with less axle wrap. 5. Shackle flip swings the spring down, pushing axle forward 1/2" to 1". 6. Towing heavy is harder on a shackle flip setup, and shackle flip can use up more spring rate as you load it down.
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When the video first started and you said you rearched your springs 4 in, I was wondering how you were going to deal with the shortened length. Also, lifting your truck will make you have to change your pinion angle anyway. Best just to go ahead and cut the perches off and once you get your ride height set, point your pinion at your diff, put a double cardan on the tcase side, weld on some new perches and be done with it.
Tim, did not know the truck came from Boise. I used to work right up the road from that Burger King where that photo was taken
Yes sir! It came from Middleton.
I know you have probably covered this question somewhere in your videos. What do you use to shoot and hold your video equipment?
I don't think I've ever mentioned it in a video. While I'm filming in to garage during the winter I use my GoPro hero 8 and more importantly I use the diety duo mic. When I film more outside I use my Sony zv-e10 with the same mic setup.
Getting a mic that I liked was way more difficult and expensive than I wanted. I've tried so many of the top mics and the diety duo outperforms them all and is only $60.
Good video just one question for you. I’d like to do a little bit of over landing in my rig with a lift kit not something crazy lifted but a decent lift and I was going to reverse shackle just because of my pinion angle going over obstacles. So would you recommend if under the conditions of trail riding/rock crawling would it be wiser to reverse shackle?
For offroadong you may be fine doing the shackle flip. Eric and archive garage has a ton of experience with overland rigs too. The main focus of his products is for Toyota tacomas. I'd reach out to him and see what he recommends as well.
Typically you need a little more pinion angle on a lifted rig. Hard to say if the shackle flip will add the correct amount. Pinion angle is set with angled shims between the spring and spring pad, so either way you can get it to the correct angle. Please get steel shims, sometimes the aluminum ones break. Also factory lift blocks usually have some angle built into them. If your lucky you can turn them around and get the right angle or you'll be even farther off than you were.
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Will the shackle hit when the truck is on a lift for service? Not sure it will be a problem, but it may scratch the paint.
Shocks will probably limit droop before that happens, but we are working on a replacement tension shackle hanger with much greater range of shackle motion than the stock hanger.
How does this affect towing/ payload capacity?
Good question! It depends on the spring you choose, there are dozens of options for 64" springs from 1/2 ton up to cab n chassis style springs. I recommend a 2010 5+1 GM 3500 spring aftermarket part number 22-1289 (Tim used a modified ~ 2004 p/n 22-1269 2500HD 4+1)
Do you know if an extended cab long bed frame has the same wheel base as the crew cab short bed trucks? I’ve been eying a crew cab short bed truck but I was planning on finding a Cummins extended cab long bed truck and body swapping it.
I actually do know the answer to this question and the answer is they are two different frames because of the body mounts and I believe there is a 18 inch section that is longer in the extended cab long bed frame then there is a crew cab short box frame. I’m not sure where I found this information otherwise I would Send you to that website but I did read somewhere that they are two different frames. I was gonna do the same thing.
I figured they’re two different frames but if the wheelbase is the same I’m not afraid to modify the rest.
Same wheelbase, but frames are different in several ways. Search Hackster's Crew Cab build, he did it, pretty big project, you'd have to raise rear floor to clear frame in crew cab so not great for passengers, also the very rear of frame is ~4" shorter on a short bed than a long bed, so not such a good deal
Seems like a project that should have been done before powder
Powder was done before he bought it and decided the direction of the build
I bought the truck and the frame was already powder coated and it doesn't seem like they had figured out what rear suspension to go with.
@@decentgarage oh I got you
Been wanting to do this same kit on my truck as well. Need to make the order 🤙
Are you going to put 52s on the front and run their box?
The front already has the jungle jim box and longer springs. Archive garage sells of front box though for a good price.