Is BALD AND BANKRUPT right about learning Russian?
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Funny enough... I watched the Bald man's video over a year ago... when I was starting to learn Russian. I paid more attention to vocabulary after that, and I grew quickly. And then, I started noticing some grammatical rules which come up frequently... it made me learn those grammar rules. Starting with vocabulary helps a lot... and with time you'll be able to know the best grammar rules to start with.
Get the Balance Right!
And also, one helps learn and above all remember the other.
What kind of vocabulary did you focus on?
Did you learn conjugation?
@@ИмперияДобра-е9с finding the balance isn't hard at all. But vocabulary is very important to start with. You can learn all the grammar and if you don't know enough vocabulary, you won't be able to express yourself.
But then, if you know a lot of vocabulary to begin with, you will be able to express yourself to some extent, and then, the satisfaction that comes with that ability will motivate you to learn the grammar, so that you can fine tune your communication skills.
Summarily...
If you over-focus on grammar in the begining... you'll get frustrated. But there's no such thing as over-focusing on vocabulary (early in language learning).
I think the biggest reason my Russian keeps getting better each day is because i never ever doubt myself. in the first days of my Russian learning, i confronted a Russian tourist couple, introduced myself, in the end I couldn't respond em properly bc i understood too little but that didn't bother me at all. only motivated me. it is completely fair to make mistakes as long as ur not letting em get the better of u.
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nice!! if you want more practice in russian hmu :D
I've learnt more Russian from Bald videos than any language course. The most important thing learning any language is ENJOYMENT. If you aren't into it, you'll quickly lose interest.
I agree.
So true. You have to be a dedicated SOLDIER, and hungry to connect to the culture!
my daily language learning routine consists of 3 stages:
vocabulary practice
grammar
talking to natives online
Really cool!
where do you talk with nattives
A few points from my experience (8 languages):
each person learns differently
one person may need different methods at different stages of progress
each language may need a different approach
having a different background (languages you already speak) may call for different approaches.
In the case of Bald, he already knew Polish, from the Grandmother, if I am correct, so his approach is different to someone without slavic knowhow.
he doesn't speak Polish at all(apart from basic greetings). Watch his video when he entered Poland from Ukraine
@@danieln9226 does he not? was he being sarcastic? i thought he said he did.
"The truth is somewhere in the middle." Amen, brother! I think a few general grammar rules can be of great help. The favorite rule I've come up with is: "when in doubt, use the genitive plural". 😀
I am studying Russian language for over 5 months now ( I am Greek). I think it is impossible to speak Russian without, or even with a little grammar. Bald was married to a Russian wife when in England and he also lived in Moscow for a number of years, way before he became a vlogger. So he may not studied grammar like most students do with teachers, reading and exercises, but he learned it empirically.
By the way, your videos were inspiring in my first steps and very helpful with a lot of confusing words and prepositions.
It's even weirder for an Anglo-Saxon to try to speak Russian without enough time learning grammar. At least for us ( I am Greek as well) who have similar grammar as the Russians vocabulary spending makes more sense.
Unrelated, but isn't it annoying having to cycle between 3 differeret keyboards depending on the language you wanna speak lol.
@@kjullthedemon yes, it is. Especially when you press Shift and Alt and the keyboard didn't switch to the alphabet you desired to use. I have written small texts in English with Cyrillic alphabet. You can wonder how it looked like
все так
@@kjullthedemon As also someone who is Greek and learning Russian, let me tell you what's the most annoying: you write your password and press login but oh no error! you try again but slower to make sure you hit the right keys. but oh no! error...! you start going into panic mode. did I have a different password for this site? did I get hacked? and then you realize... You had the Greek keyboard activated x)
I concur. When I first began learning Russian, grammar wasn't even directly discussed until after the first month. Despite that, through exposure, I had picked up on the word endings I had been exposed to; there was a pattern recognition that had taken place. So when the rules were explained, it made sense. It was largely intuitive at that point. Some academic study can help make a concept stick, but too much will bog you down, and in my opinion, is less useful. It's a bit like art; studying art theory for 100 hours, without ever picking up a pen, won't improve your artistic abilities nearly as much as 100 hours of active drawing with zero hours of 'theory'. So, I agree with Fedor; the best practice is somewhere in the middle, but the bulk should be on vocabulary. If you say to a Russian man, ... Okay, there were errors (including the part where you asked him if he was a Russian girl)... But will he understand you? Yes, probably, especially with such a basic sentence... And when he corrects you, you'll probably never make the same mistake again. Sometimes, making mistakes, and being corrected, is the most effective way of learning. Especially for embarrassing mistakes!
He didn't say don't learn grammar. He said focus on vocabular first and afterwards you can learn grammar more smoothly.
I agree with you! I noticed that as I increased my vocabulary, I found myself naturally learning grammar since some of the words were irregular verbs or adjectives.
I focused hard on vocabulary for many months and got my speaking skills to B1, but I missed out on grammar instruction. So I can't conjugate to save my life 😂 now I have a tutor to help me bridge the gap. Grammar is necessary if you want fluency or at least want to communicate easily.
How did you cope with ending lettters?
That's why Bald's spoken Russian sounds better than it really is. Bald's level of Russian is impressive at first because he speaks fluidly and confidently, without getting lost in his head. However he makes A LOT of grammatical mistakes. Nothing wrong with that - he can still communicate well. But he could be so much better with just a little strengthening of his grammar knowledge. I don't think Bald would currently be able to pass B2 level exams.
Yeah and at the same time, I don't think it's his goal to fully learn Russian. That's why I doubt that even if he was presented with full time free Russian classes, he would accept it because he for sure would prefer to spend his time living other experiences than master a language (not just Russian, I don't think he is interested in mastering any other language) his only goal is to live experiences that's all and the level he gets with such experience is enough for him to live them.
I think Bald is an amazing communicator, but you’re right - the B2 level exams are for much more advanced students.
Who cares about exams as long as you can communicate. Speaking perfectly is an abolute waste of time if you don't need it. Better learn other languages too instead of wasting time polishing your skills.
Let's avoid establishing bad habits.
I'm an American and have been studying Russian for 4 years, having first watched Bald's videos. Took his advice. Did not make significant progress until my 3rd year when I began studying grammar formerly at college. I have since regarded my choice to follow his advice as a huge mistake.
I live in Moscow now and I can speak Russian fine (not fluently , though). Life here would be much more difficult without having studied grammar. Learn it!
I wouldn't trust a Westener who learned Russian in my company. Russian know English and Russian as well as the cultural references. But hey, everybody needs a hobby so I don't judge товарищ.
@@captainchaoscow Luckily I doubt we'll meet so it shouldn't be a problem.
@@trevorchase3804 Hey Travor, I like your chil.
Are you by chance a passport bro?
Can you speak your mind about the murderous war?
I know you have "friends" in Moscow and so on - but every self respecting Russian knows Westeners like you - and know what kind of a person you are. And all those Westeners end up in the end back in the West.
We will never meet but there is a ton like you in my West European big city home town.
And we will ask questions - where have they been and what have they done. Like all the white girls helping poor Africans children for 3 months some years ago. Such a fun experience. 🙂
@@captainchaoscow Could you ask a more narrow question, perhaps?
@@captainchaoscowWhat are you saying here? I'm genuinely curious.
I saw this 'experiment' directly once. I was in Russia with a group with one girl who focused on vocab and barely knew grammar and one who knew a lot of grammar and very little vocab. Vocab girl communicated MUCH better.
Once you know enough words, you can start to read/listen to comprehensible input. This way you will acquire the grammar naturally and don't have to study it. So in my opinion, what you should focus on is comprehensible input to acquire vocabulary and grammar.
The way I see it is, grammar is the engine of a language and vocabulary is the fuel. You shouldn't neglect any of these, but in my opinion, it takes longer to learn words and idioms than to remember grammar rules (which are ingrained into our minds) because of how vast communication can be. The key is practice
I hate when people attack me for correcting common and stupid mistakes in English to English speakers...
They say it doesn't matter and continue to sound stupid.
I HOPE people will correct my Russian rather than let me keep making a silly mistake.
I do believe you need a balance, however, taking bald advice on scrapping, grammar, and focussing about vocabulary, made learning Russian so much easier and less stressful, because the grammar is so bloody complicated, compared to English
Probably focusing on learning words is helpful mostly because you don't learn just one word and repeating it again and again, you're learning new words using phrases that combine new words, and with learning phrases you're starting to notice how the word changes and it improves your grammar skills as well
I think that academia likes to teach grammar because it is easy to grade and therefore easy to justify any grade you give a student. I studied french for nine years in grade school and high school never learned to speak french. Moved to Germany and was speaking with in six months (my day job was English only). I did take classes and was fluent (B2) in five years.
Yes he is totally right. I have been learning for a year and a half everyone understands me when I talk. Recently started a Russian course in a Russian speaking country and as I had very little grammar they put me in a very low group. This nearly made me stop learning. Vocabulary and speaking practice is most important. I have friends who only speak Russian and we talk all day no problem. But yes you need past tense. prefixes are far more important that genders and plurals. You will always sound like a foreigner don’t worry about it people can still understand you if your grammar is terrible and most times if it’s wrong they will help you.
I love this comment. You're right and so is B&B. Here's another thing I don't understand. Almost every single native Russian speaker who's learning English tells me that they want to speak like a native. I ask them WhY?? A part of the beauty of speaking a second language is that you DON"T speak it perfectly. It is a huge positive that makes people want to engage with you and ask you where your from and how long you've been studying the language, so on and so on. I encourage my Russian speaking friends NOT to try to talk exactly like an American or Englishmen (which they never can get the english accent). It makes them special and more attractive to others. At least that's my opinion anyway.
that bald and bankrupt video is a few years old and was addressed by others like a+ russian but your input is very valid and contributes to the learning process. thanks for providing your input on this.
there are also certain words he mispronounces. since russian language does not contain articles, that approach seems to work well for him but it is only part of the puzzle.
another russian youtuber (i forget his name but i think he is a dutch russian teacher on youtube named ari?) also pointed out that bald started learning russian over 30 years ago. and his educated guess is that if he was studying a little bit every day he would have progressed much , much farther than it currently is and may have done better with more grammar along the way. it makes bald’s speaking style unique to him.
I don’t think Bald said to ignore vocabulary. He said to primarily focus on vocabulary if you want to rapidly increase your Russian language acquisition. But I agree with you, grammar is absolutely necessary to study at some point in time to become a good speaker.
Great video. I love the point about mistakes mean you’re stepping out of your comfort zone. Also I never considered not thinking while I speak. Just let it flow. I will try that from now on! Спасибо
I've been waiting four years for this video.
Excellent video! I will bring this up to my Russian tutor as we focus a lot on grammar. Thank you!
I remember the time when I was learning English. I focused on grammar only and after a year of studying I realized that i couldn't chat in English at all!
forewords:
Thank you so much for these lessons on Russian language. today it seems difficult to learn, especially if you study this language alone, the language with just old and obsolete books, and with RUclips and your lessons, it really gets easier to acquire all of these grammatical structures, vocabulary and stuff.
I've been learning Russian for 3-4 months now, I wouldn't say I have already mastered this language and I'm fluent. but compared to others who've been trying to understand cases, I quickly acquired them. but the problem in some foreign languages is that some grammar stuff have exactly and precisely same meanings
For example in my language, Кого и Кому has same meaning, but in English it's, Whom and To Whom.
anyways, could you do a lesson about finding difference between Кто, Кого, Кому, and stuff.
Thanks
Thank you a lot for your videos! They are explaining the concepts of the Russian language and its grammar very nicely. So keep up the good stuff!
Could you please make a video about why it's called Я свободен instead of Я свободный, if you haven't already?
Just my opinion, but I agree with B&B that vocabulary should be the number one thing you focus on (also remember he said for the first year) because I don't care who you are, you're going to google more than just single words. You'll google how to say things like "it's good to see you" or "what are you doing" and you'll memorize these sentences with the correct conjegation. As you start to learn more voc words and form sentences of your own, you'll pick up on the root word and different conjegation forms without putting effort into it. It will naturally come (at least to a strong degree). Also, listening to people interact in Russian and pickup on the words you recognize and hear how they conjegate them in the tense or situation that they're in. I do think. that at the beginning, forget grammer....forget it. As your voc increases, you will get in to it naturally at the right time, as I think the timing is important also. Plus Bald is right, if you're just going to Russia or Estonia or whereever, to talk to people, order food, etc. It doesn't matter about grammer. Anyone you talk to will know what your saying.
Мне нравятся эти видео, очень познавательно. Спасибо, Федор! Давай алгоритм!
Completely TRUE! Don’t be afraid to make mistakes
I dont know this bald guy, but i think everyone has their own way of learning a language. I live in USA, I am an immigrant. I was born in one of USSr countries, so i spoke fluent russian, (now my russian is broken, i subscribed so my daughter learns russian) When i came to USA i was 16 but i had taken english in school since 5th grade, so my dictation, reading was perfect but for the life of me i could not speak, did not have vocabulary , and my ears were not used to the fast speech to understand basic english. I can tell you from not only my own experience but all the immigrants that i met at the time, and it was recommended to focus on speaking. Mostly watching tv, and speaking as much as you can without worrying about the grammar, when you are surrounded by americans they will speak properly, you will catch up , and learn the grammar. My cousin who was shy, and worried about her grammar, would take forever to put a sentence together to make sure her grammar was correct, she was struggling to speak after a year living in the country, whereas I was speaking fast, understanding perfectly, and hanging out with americans, and even lost my accent and sounded like an american. In a year i was speaking properly, because i wasnt shy, i didnt care about grammar, and all i cared about getting the point across, and listened to tv, and people around me and learned automatically. Our teacher in high school gave us an amazing advice, he said do not use your dictionary. If you dont know a word ask me , and i will explain it to you in english, (he was an american). He was right, it was a genius way of learning.
The most important thing is to apply the language though. If you constantly speak and listen to Russian conversation, you don't need to learn grammar or vocabulary at all, because you will be acquiring the language just as you did with your mother language. Who studied grammar (or vocabulary) before they could speak fluently in their mother language?
I don't think he means to say not to study grammar. If vocabulary was the whole ballgame, you could just make a bunch of flash cards and call yourself fluent when you know enough. I think he means just do the exercises, practice speaking, watch movies, and the grammar will come naturally over time. Grammar is more easily learned subconsciously, rather than by talking about it.
i wouldn't say the Bald's completely not right, but the way he adresses this is too ''extreme''. I do think some languages could be the case as he says but as we learn languages with heavy grammar like Russian, grammar is relatively essential and not a part to be neglected, or it's easily poorly spoken without awareness and native speakers don't have duty to correct you anytime.
Hello, I saw the video by Bald and Bankrupt a few months ago, and it made me wonder if it could be true. I did well as a freshman college student studying the Russian language, but then, well, I moved up to intermediate Russian study, and was daunted by the many tasks presented to me if I wanted to be fluent in Russian. In fact, when I realized that adjectives must agree with the nouns they modify in CASE(!!???), as well as the others typical of most languages, I just...quit, regretfully. This is why BB's message resonates.
Fedor, I trust your advice more!
Your 3 recommendations are really logical.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Remember----We make mistakes in our native language, too. For example: How much drinks do we need? (much should be many), The woods over there is dark. (is should be are). I have less books than you. (less should be fewer). I'm short, aren't I? (aren't I should be am I not). And when I get into the subjunctive mood in English, I make mistakes routinely. And I'm a master's-prepared English/Language Arts teacher. Granted, I know they're mistakes AFTER they've come out of my mouth, but the point is, we aren't perfect. If we make mistakes in our native tongue, we should accept the fact we will make mistakes in our second and third languages.
German is my second language. When in Germany and Austria, I tend to rehearse what I'm going to say beforehand--so that it is 100% grammatically correct. However, there was one time I went into a store and the clerk couldn't speak English, so I had to speak off the cuff. Needless to say, it was the most natural conversation. He commented how impressed he was with my German language skills, that it was incredibly unusual for an American to speak it so well.
Next summer, I will be in Estonia---and I'll finally put my third language (Russian) into practice. Fingers crossed that I will just let the words flow!
Nail on the head! Constantly told not to make mistakes. Grammar in Russian is very important and VERY intimidating. Learning and usage must go hand in hand.
A really cool thing about learning loads of vocab is that you'll comprehend more input. This means your brain will naturally pick up how these words are used in sentences and you'll just learn grammar subconsciously.
You know 'Bald and Bankrupt' is famous , when Fedor makes a video showing him ))
Another excellent video, Fedor! You're truly a genius 👏🏻
i think he meant don't study the difficult grammar in the first year russian cases for example of course you will need the basic grammar
Whatever the case is, you'll NEVER learn a language if you try to force it. Learn it through things you love. If you're a foodie, watch Russian food shows, if you like sports, watch russian sports channels and so on. Ever since I started listening to podcasts I liked, my Russian quickly grew to B2 level(probably higher but I don't wanna overestimate myself). Btw Ben(Bald) had a Russian wife, plus he's been in ALL former soviet states so it's much easier to progress naturally.
Truth! The key and purpose of language is communication.
He is right, if you learn the vocab with context you learn the modes and most of the grammar rules automatically.
Do like kids do, just memorize entire language, put it through yourself with the help of reading and listening. Reading will help you with getting better at grammar, you'll memorize entire sets of words with all their corresponding endings. Do these things especially in the evenings before going to sleep, and the next morning what you read will be better imprinted in your memory. When you learn a poem for example you memorize it better when you learn it during evenings, and the very next morning 8 hours later you get so much better at it while you were notably struggling just 8-9 hours ago.
great comment
❤ I learn better by using it , study sucks , practice sucks ....like take female dog outside -вывести девочку-собаку на улицу, want some tea?-Хотите чаю?. How I'm teaching my kid and she's also watching channels like this
“Let it flow”, now I’ve got that song stuck in my head!
I agree each student needs to find the best balance for himself
It is clear! The cue is to balance.
my university course focuses on phrases, teaching words and grammar at the same time by teaching the contexts they are used in. i think that's the best.
Thank you for this video, it truly helps a lot for a beginner!
All languages should be taught exactly like Marcus Santamaria's "Synergy Spanish". My online teacher was very good at teaching the wrong way - perfect foundation in grammar.
Vocabulary is key - you can't conjugate a verb that you don't know!
To me, grammar is the skeleton, it's the fun (imo, lol) and systematic part of language learning.... I always find it easier to acquire and retain lexical elements when I have a decent grasp of the map. I personally can't even begin to imagine how chaotic and more difficult it would be to disregard grammar, but to each their own. It is relatively easy to gain vocabulary through exposure especially when you know the grammar, whereas learning grammar through immersion seems less appealing (and less efficient).
It also depends on your goal. Someone who wants to speak ASAP vs someone who is focused on consuming media aka comprehension.
At the end of the day, there is no right or wrong answer, you should go with the method that works best for you, i.e. that will keep you engaged and interested.
It's always in the middle. But it usually what works for the person.
Я выучил четыре иностранных языка. Мне кажется, что необходимо выучить и лексику и грамматику. Чтобы запоминать новые слова, необходимо употреблять их в предложениях. Поэтому необходимо заниматься с самого начала правилами грамматики. Самое важное понятие -- практическая грамматика.
Нет, он не прав об этом. Если честно, 2 года назад когда я начал изучать русский, я думал у него хороший уровень. Но сейчас у меня уровень б1+ и заметил, что у него толко базовый уровень. Это не плохо но я могу слушать, что он толко изучал слова и фразы.
тем не менее - он легенда!
Оцени уровень русского языка у иностранцев на канале: "Шекспир плачет".
Согласен! одна маленькая ошибка - "толЬко" пишется с мягким знаком.
Think of language as a type of gun. Grammar is the barrel and vocab are the bullets. You could have no barrel and 20,000 bullets you're only sure to hit something if it's a close target right in front of you. You could have a perfect barrel and only one bullet but you can only defeat one enemy. This is fine but in learning a foreign language there are thousands of enemies you need to defeat every day.
I only know 2 Fedors and I have met one of them in real life .... BTW your channel is great , I first saw your videos maybe 3 or 4 years back ))
I think context matters here. I've never tried learning a language without paying attention to grammar, but I expect that in a 100% immersion context, focusing entirely on grammar and simply learning grammar by osmosis might make sense. If I'm ever in a position to try, I'll let you know how it goes.
Wow Fedor: this analysis takes it to a new level. For a minute I thought I was listening to a lecture by the great Stephen Krashen. I would like to see you do a guest lecture in a university auditorium, in front of hundreds of people: with your clear insights and effective communication, why not?
Benjamin is always right 😄 Just kidding. The best way of learning russian is balancing (grammar and voc) and learning words as much as you can.
Can't stop looking at that mic haha
i'm disagreeing with you he didn't say learn only vocabulary but he said focus on vocabulary after you get enough vocabulary then you can learn grammar
Fyodor You’re my hero
Yeah no, he said вы горжусь ваш город to a woman in Kharkiv, and I burst out laughing.
I would love to see you talk to him
Wow crazy timing I was just watching one of your videos
To me grammar is just more simple than vocab. It's easier to focus on, just do some textbook lessons and your done with it, while learning vocab is really hart at times. Many words are easier to remember if I can put them in a sentence or structure already, but therefore I need to do the next chapter of my book, which leads me to grammar again.
I went to DLI (USAF) back in the eighties and managed to learn the language fairly well. As I recall, we studied grammar and vocabulary equally. In my particular context, the key to learning the language was to spend 8-hours of classroom time per day for a year! Then we had further technical/work vocabulary and training. Immerse yourself in the language.
If you go to Russia to learn.... ditch your native speaker friends. Find new friends - Russian friends. Find out where Russians of your age hang out and go there!
I'm currently learning Russian and I agree with him. I would learn all of the cases and quickly forget because I had no way of truly recognizing what words were in order to form proper context. You need to understand what you're looking at in order to form context. You need to know what the root of a word is before you can understand exactly how case is mutating that word. Just look at your podcasts, you're encouraging Victoria to say words first without knowing what the proper case/tense is because you need to figure out word order, and to do that you need to know the correct words to use. It all ties together, but the basis of language is words and concepts.
I think bald is right, if you only learn vocabulary, once you will notice it is missing the grammar
It is not possible to learn any language without knowing grammar.
Otherwise, you are illiterate, you can speak the language but you don't know how to read it.
But I agree that is more important to learn vocabulary at first than grammar because you can start using the language at a very basic level and then can start understanding how grammar works, before going deeper with grammar.
Very well said
That would be impossible in my situation. Considering I'm a undergraduate student in Translation and Interpreting Studies specializing in European Languages (Russian and French are my favorites.) I MUST learn grammar, phonology, etc.
Perfect ! Great video !!!
That explains his pretty ok for a foreigners pronunciation but basic type of mistakes in ordinary words and sentences
I’m using Google translate to learn to speak Russian and i watch BF. I notice than some pronunciations are different. For example хороший. I hear sho and she in the end.
omg i have never thought you'll talk about this
I'd find it odd if anyone said that you should ignore grammar in any language. Vocabulary is extremely important but if one wants to be fluent in a language, I think grammar is very important. But as Fedor correctly says here, as a beginner knowing as many new words as possible will help. Work on the grammar too and you'll go far.
Great discussion around the never-ending debate over grammar versus vocabulary. I subscribe to Fedor's 80% vocab 20% grammar rule. A1 and A2 students do need to learn verb conjugation, past tense, and the gender of nouns. They DO NOT, however, need to be swamped with learning cases. This approach creates the false belief that I will not be understood by Russian native speakers if I get my word endings wrong. It is not true! Bald is proof.
I would add a third aspect: conversation practice. Something like 20% grammar, 30% vocabulary, 50% conversation practice would be ideal. Whether that conversation practice comes from sharing an apartment with Russian-speakers or meeting English-learners for language exchange or hiring online Russian speakers (my approach), you gotta get that practice, that PERFORMANCE in to form the neural pathways.
I have a question for you. When you find Russian speakers, does it require that he knows English well so that he can explain?
For example, I do not understand and speak English well, I thought I would try to find a Russian language learner and talk to him 50-50 in Russian and English. But it confuses my level and that it will be difficult. Plus I couldn't explain Russian grammar to a foreigner
No, for a conversation partner, they don't need to speak English well. It's helpful for me to just have a conversation in Russian, even with mistakes. And there's always Yandex/Google Translate if we run into a wall.
One of my best conversation partners was such a beginner that she could only speak English for 10 minutes before getting mentally exhausted. But I was the same in Russian, so it worked out.
@@jaytheexplorer9016 Thank you very much!
Mentally exhausted is a good definition for me when I was trying to chat with a friend in English. He knows English better than me. But when we talked in English for about an hour, almost without switching to Russian, my brain was very tired all day.
This is a false dichotomy. You are right as your usually are, Fyodor. Grammar is like the foundation and structure of a building, vocabulary is like the demising walls, room layout, ceiling design, lights, plumbing, curtain wall and windows. To make a complete building, let alone an amazing work of architecture, you need them BOTH!!! I would not believe the bald guy anyway that he surpassed everyone just learning vocabulary. He might have surpassed them in learning to sound like a Russian parrot, but not much more.
I have learned nine languages--seven essentially self taught (more like seven and a half given the proficiency in the second one was due more to my efforts than to my classroom teachers') and the approach of both grammar and vocabulary is the way.
By way, Fyodor, you are wonderful!!!
I never stop learning some new exception, or a new way words change in different cases, I can't remember anything and im dyslexic. it's very hard to keep going
A yes the British man more Soviet than former Soviet citizens.
Syntax = vocabulary plus grammer. The pas tense of a verb is spelled and pronounced slightly differently. Isn't that another vocabulary word? Do is a word. Did is a different word.
I am convinced that Bald and Bankrupt is having an working ⚒ class approach to learning. In many ways Bald and bankrupt is looking down 👇 at the finer details in life. For example BaB always find the druk people in a village. He never talks about the honest hard 👷 working 👷 people...well...he TALKS about them but 😋 never interview them. 😊
everything you said is 100% true
Heck my English grammar is terrible and I've been at that for 42 years, people understand me well enough. I'm going with the learn enough to get by approach when it comes to grammar.
I feel like the case of Bald is still different though. There is still a difference between speaking a language not 100% grammatically clean and correct as a native or near native speaker and as someone learning it later in life as a non-native.
Often how correct or clean your speak a certain language relates to your economic and social position and the environment you grow up in. Standardized languages are artifical constructs. If you're more used to speaking dialect X rather than the neat, "correct" official language, there is still a more systematic logic to the way you speak because it is likely just as common in a particular region geographically or socially. If you have been speaking English for 42 years and still make grammar mistakes, I am fairly sure that comparatively your English will be better than Bald's Russian and that you are likely overestimating how bad your English really is. I went to university, have had high education and generally speak my native language pretty cleanly, whereas people with a lower education make more grammar mistakes. But they are still native speakers. The mistakes they make in grammar are mostly different from the mistakes Bald or a foreign learner would make.
Once your knowledge of Russian grammar really improves it really becomes quite obvious that Bald's Russian sounds more impressive than it really is and it's easier to poke through. It's all perfectly fine to get by if you are travelling. But if I were to move to a country long term or work in a professional environment, people might not be too happy with a near-principal refusal to study and improve grammar deliberately. It's a strict necessity if you have to write a lot even (not that my written Russian is that good).
would you recommend learning and memorizing compact phrases? i feel like it combines grammar and vocab really well
Это хорошо, знать грамматику. Потому что надо знать правах за языком. Но это тоже правда, что надо знать много словах, чтобы хорошо говорить друг с другом.
Duo Lingo is slapping me regarding grammar..... Real Nazi Style..
BUT, they do nothing to teach the rules of it..
Hence, I come here for specific things..
I speak Russian words to myself, and to my sister, she doesn’t know much Russian, but I’ve been learning it for a year and a half.. and I know words, but I want to know how to form a correct sentence..
Yes vocabulary is more important initially but mistakes sound bad to the native ear and should be remedied as you improve.
great video
I don't agree a hundred percent: learning basic vocabulary for communication right from the beginning is not compulsory, because it doesn't suit all learners.
Personally, as I have all the time I need, I avoid anything that resembles homework and compulsory tasks, like in the case here learning basic vocabulary.
Vocabulary like hello, my name is, etc...happens so often that we learn it anyway.
Правда в том, что для всех РАЗНЫЙ подход. Зависит от возраста и типа мышления. Тем же детям маленьким вообще не нужна грамматика, они могут сами начать все понимаить.