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The IMPACTS of PWM 🔼HIGH & Low🔽 Frequency 😍
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2022
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Great knowledge spreading, Mark!
every single videos are gold to me ; thank you very much for your work
Excellent, Mark! Thanks a lot for all the tips! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Great Info Mark, thank you!
have my roma f5 v2 set to 24/128k variable(mamba 55a 128k esc) feels nice. breaks well and im getting 7-8 minutes of flight time. I run my batts down to 3.6v/cell so i could go a bit longer. Ive learned a lot from you this year. Thanks for all the help
Thanks Mark!
Really nice, thanks
Just seeing this video, sorry for the late comment.
A way to negate the electrical noise with large props and motors is to choose a lighter prop.
Those look like HQ 10x4.5x3 which are about 24g.
The Gemfan 1050, which show much better gyro noise from mine and others blackbox logs, come in at 17g.
With a lighter prop you need less braking force as well so you could keep the PWM higher for the same effect or drop it to the floor for maximum braking force with less feedback.
Thanks for good content.
Perhaps make a video on how active breaking actually works? With schematic on which FETS is on/off on comp pwm.
Would love that. Best R, Martin
Nice! I hope you get around to making a 4.3 2-pack tune video!
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Hi!
I Have had a problem getting nose dips after snap rolls, this problem does not occur if throttle (around 40%) is applied during the roll but every time if throttle is idle. What might cause this? Thanks im advance!
Hi,
Im about to flash your 5 inch racer Preset with Medium build quality and 48khz settings.
What should I select in motor timing 16 or 23? And pwm low 24khz or 48khz?
I'd like to see that quad fly !
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Low PWM of 16kHz has more downsides from my findings than just bad video feed. I figured much more motor heat plus desyncs whenever clipping a gate.
I hope noone is clipping a gate with a 7, 8, 9, or 10in!! 😬
@@uavtech what gate? *looks at slivers of stuff*
Do you have a great preset for my 3.5 grinderino with the 1804 3100kv motors?
just realized my 10" esc was default at 48k low and 128k high.. just changed it to 16k to by rpm with rpm filtering now on.. Not sure exact different between 128k high and by rpm
In bluejay it's just one parameter, not low and high. 48 is best?
Hello
i am facing problem as i made a custom ESC, My motors mostly diagonal one becomes too hot. When i replaced it with my old mama ESC there was no Heating Issue
Sounds like a FET issue on the DYI ESC.
that gopro mounted ON the battery 😅
Temp. :-)
Just needed for tuning demonstration
Hi , is that possible to have esc desync with 96k pwn.i have cineon C35 and at the first flight,i have esc desync so i put esc pwn to 48k and no esc desync
Yes. It is possible to have at any. Typically going up, lesson electrical noise and makes it easier for the ESC to.detect the back EMF necessary for it to keep the timing and avoid a desync, but nevertheless, maybe for some reason 96k is making it harder for your ESC. Higher PWM takes more ESC compute power and makes the FETs hotter, so maybe one of those is the culprit.
@@uavtech thank you for your answer. another thing too, the cpu load was high (about 70%) before i changed the pid loop from 8 kHz to 4 while leaving the dshot 600. and since then i have a cpu load at 30%
@@arknan9624 the BF CPU load should not have a correlation so I wouldn't worry about that
If the CPU load for betaflight maxes out, it might cause the drone to "stutter", but it won't cause it to desync and fall from the sky. That is specifically the ESC losing tract of the motor pole (magnet field) positions. So it doesn't know when the push or pull in the 3-phase power rotation.
@UAV Tech - once i apply your UAV BF present for 5" and select 48k... do i need to setup low and high to 48k on BHeli32 or set 16k low and high by RPM?
haha i came here trying to figure out the something as it's not specifically stated. After watching this video I'm 99% sure you should set it to by rpm.
@BeautyBeastRC I've been reading a bunch of horror stories using by rpm. By that was with 32.8 , there's not much information on 32.10
24k yo low and high. You can sey high to By RPM too. It mostly stays at 24k anyways.
@uavtech I've read a bunch of people did that and they either smoked a motor or two and or an esc.
then set high and low the same if you prefer. 24 - 24; or 48 - 48 if you want.
A lower PWM setting increases motor breaking torque (the ability for the motor to slow down faster), so it makes the motor work header and increases performance. Faster braking will add some more energy to the motor and can make it warmer. If motor is very strong, it take cae too rough with a low setting as ot will be able to brake and slow down for the 24k off/on cycle.
High PWM decreases motor responsiveness (less braking torque) so less energy to the motor, but adds heat to the ESC because the Fets are switching twice as fast. Motors are smoother, less responsive, and ESC is hotter.
Just know any time you are not at 100% throttle, the ESC is pulsing power to the motor. The PWM signal is just how fast to pulses occur. Faster is smoother, but it chews up deadband time (braking band time).
Hi i have the foxeer Foxwhoop 25 hdzero version. I put this in a grinderino Frame and it has it set to 96k for the esc .Do i need to put it to 48k to fly better?
Yes.
Also I put 1804 3100kv motors, so 48k is better?
And do I have to make any changes to my tune after I change to 48k?
lower PWM is better for motor breaking torque. So the lower the better, but on small quads will chew up more battery, so 48k is a nice balance.
If you have the gains cranked way up for 96k due to lack of motor power, you may need to turn doen, but I doubt it.
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One more thing my esc are on 0.16 bluejay firmware.
Hello from the future why would you not use all in one on such motors, 4114 400kv on a 4in1 for couple years now
lots of electrical noise can typically back feed into the Flight Controller because you cannot put a capacitor on each ESC.
aha i see but not using those 30x30 fcs :) just throwing this out there as there is no large uav build guides for blheli
stuff like pixhawk and other autopilots etc..@@uavtech
I put mine to 24khz and i have never heard such horrible sounds coming from my quad. The trilling and occilations was scary, why cant i use 24? 5 inch normally on 48khz
because your motors have enough torque that they can brake (slow down) when the pulse is off at 24k. Meaning, you need faster pulses for super-high torque motors. It is a good thing actually. Good motors.
Keep in mind that the electric charge of the coils is on or off. At 5% throttle, it is off 95% of the Duty Cycle. One small pulse on and mostly off. At 100% throttle, it is ON 100% (0% off). The PWM is how many pulses you have per second. 24,000 or 48,000.
Since the motors slow down between each small pulse at 24k, they start to vibrate and cause a horrible grinding sound. At 48, it is too fast for them to react. Like the human eye can not see a 60hz screen flicker of a monitor, but a camera can, unless you increase the screen refresh rate. If you can see the flicker with your eyes, you have good eyes.
@uavtech wow! thanks for the detailed reply! Im confused why I can't run 24khz on a high end build as others are using it without problems like me. I'm fine with the stock 48, it flies great, just curious. Is there something I have to change along with the pwm to get it to run smoothly?
higher PWM is smoother, but it reduces motor brake torque. For very powerful motors, that is needed.
cpu load 72% , sheeesh =)
i was worryed about my 60% :P
up to 80% is fine in latest releases. How % is defined was changed.
@@uavtech thank for the advice and the videos mate 🙏