TESTED: Forster Bench Rest Powder Measure
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When you're loading precision ammunition, measuring powder charges is both critical to good accuracy, and time consuming. So it's important to select the right powder measure with the right features. Forster has re-introduced their Bench Rest Powder Measure, and in this video, we'll take a hands-on look!
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The dubstep music made my deuce droppin' easier. In all seriousness I really like your testing procedure. Thanks for going to all that effort
Maybe after you finish the progressive press shoot out, a comparison of different powder measures would be a great series.
MEOW
A powder measure comparison is going to come down to Harrell being the first choice, except where price is a concern.
Dont throw the powder back into the hopper. You also want to test the accuracy when the pressure from the hopper decreases, like in a normal reloading situation.
Excellent testing method Gavin! Don't know why I haven't thought of doing this.
I would like to see this on several powder dispensers. It would be easy to range the Gambit from the expensive electronic dispensers like RCBS, middle of the ground like Frankford Arsenal and you could even go as far down the economic hole like $25 Lee Precision Powder dispenser.
Keep up the good work!
Very Nice Video Gavin !
Great analysis!
Great video and great information
Yes that is very helpful. I can do this myself as well. There are things that I want to add as well like my feet above sea level. Because I live above A.B.S.L. it does have a lot to do with the burn in the cartage and Berral as well. Thanks for thi.
the Lyman Brass Smith is very consistent as well, like you said muscle memory and a consistent throw of the operators hand, is what dictates the performance of these droppers
I REALLLLY wanted to try this product but I just couldn't justify the price and got the Lyman Brass Smith instead. I'm happy with my purchase but always wondered how the Forster performed. Thanks for showcasing it.
Man that's not what I was expecting at all from a Forster product. I had narrowed my choices down to the Forster measure, CH4D, redding BR and harrell's br. I'm glad I decided on the harrell's much more consistent.
Generally speaking for most applications you can work with thrown charges with ball powders or the finest of extruded. For the rest, no matter what the measure, if you want to hold low weight variance you will have to throw light and trickle up, or use an electronic dispenser. For me, getting the best results with extruded powders has required more than consistency. It has required trying different techniques until the best on is found for that powder, and measure, and doing that consistently. Once I figured out the right techniques with this measure, I was well pleased with the results.
Thank you again
Lyman's stand will allow one to attach against the wall, upside down under a book shelf, all sorts of ways. RCBS, Hornady, and this one won't do that. Thanks for the vid.
Nice video. I bought one last year, but ended up returning it. I compared with the Lee powder measure and it lost big time, then add that it is $100+.more expensive then the Lee. The plus was the easy clean, the bad was that the adjustment was not too easy and not offering a benefit over the cheap Lee. Maybe they improved the design.
I really would like to see like 5 charges when the hopper is full and 5 charges when the hopper is almost empty see if the weight of the powder messes with the accuracy I know Hornady has that baffle in there powder charger and I really like it for a more accurate throw
joram banman Yes, great suggestion! I have Hirnady and RCBS with baffles and the charge slowly drifts with both as hopper gets empty. For me this is a problem as I have to keep adding powder every 100 rounds or keep adjusting knob.
I believe it was Precision Shooting magazine did a test of powder measure repeatability, a Harrell won, folled closely by the various Redding "BR" measures. Not surprising, considering that Harrell has models exceeding $300, and the BR Reddings are over $200...
Very cool data output on the scales
I counted the word orifice 5 times 🤣
0.5 grain ES? That's more than some start/Max charge spreads for some pistols (.380 comes to mind). Glad I watched this! Thank you!
Thanks Gavin 👊
I've had one for years, lol the only time i have had any problem was trying to get it to dial in on titegroup with .380's.
I use a Lee Scooper a Lyman Trickler to top up and an old school RCBS 'tuned' 10-10 scale
LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT IN A FIGHT WITH A CAT
This is excellent information. Have you by chance run the numbers for the Hornady Lock-n-Load bench powder dispenser?
I've been using Forster case trimming products for over fifty years with good results; this looks like a quality addition to their product line.
Half a grain spread, I wouldn't call that accurate. That's probably out there on par with Lee auto drum, except auto drum cost 32 bucks (prior to shortage). Bottom line stick powder metering sucks and I don't think powder measure makes much difference, this is why I use RCBS Chargemaster Lite for stick powders.
Nice to see a powder measure reviewed this scientifically. I hope to see the JDS Quick Measure reviewed the same way since it differs quite a bit from standard drum type powder measures. It should be quite accurate. By design it can´t cut powder kernels.
Have you tried tapping the handle at the top and bottom. Like up til it stops then jiggle it back and forth to settle the powder in the loader,then twice at the bottom to make sure all the kernels evacuate the loader
Wonder if Forster is ever going to come out with something to compete with the chargemaster? I think they would be ones to come out with something in between the chargemaster and the auto trickler.
Is there a comparison test for the different popular powder measures?
I did not know they made a powder measure.
I guess I expected better than 0.2 grain precision.
Just wish I could find powder, bullets or primers.
I'm finding bullets at many online retailers. Powder direct from Hodgdon but you have to check every day, and don't hesitate. No primers though.
Discord ;)
Lucky 13! Gavin rules!
Interesting design. Performs much like any other. You anyway still have to trickle up.
people notice how many manufacturers of these hand powder dispensers are going to shorter height powder holders.
my Hornady powder dispenser is the old tall style which if I keep the powder at no less than half full my powder load weights are very accurate. If I go below half way full it will require trickling.
Looks like I'd still have to set the measure a half grain below my charge weight and trickle... Just like I do with my Lee perfect, and RCBS powder throws.
Wow! Very consistent powder throws.
Didn't see how easy to dial in a particular weight, say going from 42.5 gr. to 43.2 gr. What did you find on that?
now you need to find powder
Wow, that’s still not as bad as my RCBS Uniflow 3. My Uniflow 3 has .9 grain swings on a regular basis with ball powders.
I expected a much lower ES for a bench rest powder measure.
Hey bro can you look into possibly making content on 6mm mongoose, 257 ocelot, 277 wolverine? There is a disappointingly low amount of info on these hot rods. (6mm mongoose replicates 6mm arc with just a barrel change on an AR)
Thanks for the review. Sorry but I’m not very impressed with the powder measure for the cost. I’ll stick with my Hornady powder measure.
agree. .5gr spread seems high. I've watched a lot of your video gavin and you've never ever said a product is bad. Do you honeslty like every product or not willing to say if a product is rubbish
I watch almost all of these videos, but mostly for entertainment value. He doesn't buy anything. It seems like everything he "reviews" is just a product commercial.
@@trentmitche11 I have learnt a lot from Gavin but sorry Gavin I agree, all your videos seem to be product commercials these days. When are you going to start telling us about things that aren't great, or the parts of a product that could be better
That's not bad for results, although the fact that the ball powder received the same result is a bit worrying. Usually, that "accurate within 0.1 grains" you see advertised usually means with some generic type of ball powder. I'd like to see how well it did with something like Winchester 748/BL-C(2), or, like you said, Staball 6.5.
Like you said, though, a lot of people will throw the charge then trickle up.
Let me guess... Gavin loves it like everything.
he seems to love everything
Gavin is a gear and accessory nerd... even if he wasn't getting paid to promote it, he would still love it.
Why would I be interested in a powder measurer when you can't buy powder or primers?
I don’t care what kind of measure you use but most WILL cut most rifle powders. In my testing I got about +- .5 with H4350. Now that was the worst, however most were within .2 tenths. Now with a pistol or ball powder it’s usually dead on the money or .1 tenth off of my charge. I love mine however the big issue is I can NOT get the handle to stay tight. I ended up putting lock tight on the screw going into the handle to hold it but this has also failed after about 300 charges. Going to call Forester and see what can be done. Overall yes it is expensive but it’s a great unit. Try loading 9mm or 38spl on a RCBS Chargemaster, it’s enough to make you pull hair. So, it speeds up my reloading time considerably. If I can figure out a solution for the drop handle it will be great. I would like to know if Gavintoobe had this same problem???
Have you considered running tests on the Neil Jones powder measure from Custom Products. At $500 each it may be worth your effort? Thanks as I now own two of them.
Hope you don’t need one any time soon I ordered the co-ax press 6 months ago - they said 6 weeks- just got email said sometime in august
Think I’ll stick with my Lee Perfect Powder Measure, cheaper, more precise adjustments, and (from my experience) just about dead consistent
The problem with advertising it as a "benchrest" measure, is theyre competing against Harrell for that market segment.
Save your money, get the Lee. If you want precision, trickle your final half grain.
Exactly...mine throws pretty much dead nuts, might get +/- .1 1 out of 10 charges thrown. This thing is all over the place and supposed to be "benchrest" quality??? lol...no thanks I will stick with my Lee.
I noticed with my lee perfect powder measure the smaller the charge the small the SD of the weights wonder if its the same with this guy
Joseph, out of interest what were the SD’s & the number of samples?
Nice
Bro, did you get attacked by a wildcat?
Did you get in a fight with a cat?
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can never find a powder measure that is within .1 grain. I added a pistol metering chamber to increase accuracy even still could not get it to .1 grain. finally i went with self dispensing powder measure. i hope this has the accuracy we all strive for.
Nope, this one isnt that good either. Best ones i`ve tested were Redding & Hornady. Both beat this forester.
And the throw length on the forester, terrible! Who ever engineered THAT, should have their nuts bricked.
Hornady & Redding are half the hand motion to dump a charge from them. I think forester is still living under a rock.
@@D70340 i tested hornady and could not get effective results. I prefer a powder dispenser.
I get mine within .1 tenth using pistol. Seriously fellas most guys shoot from 7 yards and I don’t think a .1 or even a .2 tenth is going to matter.
@@appalachianbushcraft3959 lower calibers are an issue. what drop do you use?
@@pearlrival3124 I use the Forester Benchrest, same one depicted in this video. I never had a problem with metering pistol caliber charge weights. They are always accurate as long as I keep my technique consistent.
I just don't get it. Why use a powder measure that gives SD's of half a grain, requiring you to always measure low and trickle up ... which is a pain in the butt ... when something like a Chargemaster 1500 gives you automated accuracy to a 10th of a grain every time in half the time. What is the advantage of a manual powder measure?
My question exactly.
@@coyotehammer1438 One answer might be: "To use a super-expensive scale to measure to the hundredth of a grain for mega-ultra-precision loads." Bottom line ... 1/10th of a grain is already way more accurate than I need, given I'm old, blind, my hands shake, and I can't remember what I had for breakfast.
Because most shooters that purchase these use them for loading pistol or they use them for rifle and trickle up. Loading calibers like 223 or 308 in the AR platform usally doesn’t require that kind of accuracy unless you have a custom platform and in that case I’m sure you wouldn’t be using this for a final powder throw directly into your case. Not everyone can spend the kind of cash on an rcbs chargemaster powder measure. Yes rcbs has a new model for around 250.00 but still.
The load cell in the chargemaster tells you it's a 10th every time. They do good, but so do a lot of other powder measures. Without talking a lot of mess, compare this forster to reddings. Even hornady and rcbs in the right hands. On top of that, if you're on an accuracy node you don't have to go bonkers unless you are actually one of those guys that shoots a half mile.
@@eddieb9110 I shoot out to a mile, reloading 6.5-CM, 300-WM, 300-PRC, and 338-LM. Started with the Redding Competition Powder Measure, and settled on a ChargeMaster 1500 for accuracy and ease of use. Having used both ... I still don't get why someone would spend the same amount of money for something way less accurate, that takes longer to use ... unless you're in the "dump and shoot" group and half-a-grain accuracy is good enough. If loading bulk ammo for volume shooting is your thing, then these powder measures are just fine. That's my assessment.
Still not the accuracy for precision loads but as mentioned, those get trickled up by serious loaders who aren't hacks. A half grain spread is not what I expected, especially for ball powder. Ball powders usually meter very nicely with not more than a tenth of a grain high or low. I'll stick with my RCBS in which I have installed the small bore measure and a powder baffle in the hopper. My results are very consistent with that. Flake powders can be quite finicky when loading pistol but it doesn't look like this Forster would do any better.
There is truth to this BUT technique does make a lot of difference. I just loaded 100 rounds of 9mm and 38spl and all charges were dead on or .1 tenth off and I was using a flake powder.
For a benchrest level product that ES/SD seems to be awfully out of spec compared to other measure that will consistently through withing 0.1gr spec :/
A shootout of throwers would be pretty fantastic. The numbers were to me surprisingly high. Maybe I over estimate what a thrower should do.
I am not seeing a measured difference in this over the Lee Deluxe Perfect Powder Measure. Very similar in principle of operation with the way powder is measured. The micrometer protruding off at an angle is the same idea.
How much you want for that H1000?
Ok so how did you get one, they're sold out all over.
The Scale is not aligned, have a look at the bubble,with such a test it should fit !
If you have to trickle up to your charge weight due to the 0.5gr spread then how is this a "benchrest" level product. If you have to trickle up to your final weight anyway then the accuracy/precision of your powder drop is of absolutely zero consequence. Maybe I'm just grumpy this morning.
These stats are about average for a volumetric powder measure. I would suggest to check performance without dumping the powder back in every time, and also with a full load, middle, and nearly empty, just to get a view of the issues with the hopper and baffle design contributions. For some models, you get a huge negative effect from those features and on the better ones those features help mitigate differences due to tank levels. I would also run a baseline test in the session using a Lee PPM since it is the cheapest and often considered one of the best, and include a fine grain ball powder like CFE223 or similar.
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Primers are gone!!!
Game over!!!
One can't prove consistent volume by weight and one can't prove consistent weight by volume
Did you get a new cat? What happened to your arm?
Would be nice to add flake powder to the test.
No thanks, i`ll stick with my Redding`s & Hornady`s. Both are far ahead of forester for powder measurers.
Don't have me Gavin, forever long time fan, but I far preferred your workshop set, the contrast-less ocean of wood... utterly bland, needs some decoration at least. Also some weird shadowcast in some vids. And the music... always loved previous jams. Keep up the great reviews, we love legit nerding out. Also, consider TikTok minute vids. It know its a cesspool but you could give updates and opinions there too.
Oh shoot, how about testing with some Blue Dot or 800x. That’s the test I want to see and no measure can pass. Need a good one for 10mm. 🤓
Sorry, but to be honest , those results look terrible to me. Personally I would prefer an ES of 0.2, however I can cope with an ES of .03 given my more basic eqiopment.... ES of 0.4 to 0.5..... really? That will be a hard pass for me. On a side not I really enjoyed this review. Would LOVE to see some more powder thrower tests to compare with. I have the Hornady and lee perfect powder measures, I got the lee on a whim. I would be really curious to see how some of these stack up against each other.
You need to get something on the wall behind you. It's just a little too bland.
wow...my Lee powder measure throws way more consistant than this "benchrest" powder measure lol.
I like forster Products but they really didn’t. Knock it out of park
"Lost a couple of granules there." In this climate, are you (string of expletives) crazy....?
If that jug of H1000 is anywhere close to full, I'll give you $400 for it.
HOW ABOUT imr4064 AND SEE HOW ACURATE YOUR CHARGE IS?
That opening technodrum "music" is too loud. I have to wear headphones around here, and it causes me physical pain.
Yup, its like these youtubie people just pop a video up without even checking it. Usually when i come across videos with music, i delete them an move on.
Just one advertisement after another, getting tired of this channel
i am not the only one that noticed