INSANE Precision: 223 Loads using Forster Equipment
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Knowing how accurate the 223 trainer rifle Gavin built is, especially when combined with Berger’s factory 77 grain OTM ammo and Travis’ handloads, it seemed natural to also build that same load using Forster’s unique Co-Ax press and associated equipment.
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Guy, outstanding group 053................ save that one !!
Thanks. I shoot okay, but that was new territory for me. I felt like sticking it on the fridge door with a magnet. LOL! :)
I use Forster dies. I’m shooting mostly 1,000 yards with the .223. 90 gr SMK 23.1 gr Varget Remington 7.5 primers and Lapua brass. COAL of 2.550 and going 2750 FPS.
Forester coax, forster fl die, ultra seating die 21st century expander mandrel, Winchester brass, wolf srm or cci450 primers, Varget or SW Precision 23.6gr 2.4850" oal 80smk. 4 cleans at 300yds several 299's and 298's in ISRA league competition. FX120i v4 scale.🎯 600yd load SW Precision w/ 85.5hybrid @ 2.535"oal LC brass match prepped. Several fellow competitors 23.5gr Varget w/77TMK @2.36" Lapua case 205m primers and 3 cleans in sequential weeks as well.
I load 88 Grain ELDM with N140 for my Ruger RPR 20" on my Dillon 550 using the FA Intellidropper and Micrometer seating die. The brass is used S&B stuff, weight sorted, annealed and full length sized on a 30 year old RCBS Rock Chucker and RCBS competition die.
Five shot group at 300 meter is 24mm with an SD of 5 m/sec.
Nice video! 223 bolt guns are underrated setups
Yessss, please more 223 content!
Hi Gavin, big fan of .223 and really enjoying the content you are putting up with both Guy and Travis. Best wishes from Australia.
Thanks for watching Paul!
Hay Gavin why not show people how good of ammo you can make with Lee reloading equipment. For the people who have a very tight budget
I only use LEE’s carbide dies for pistols and revolvers and even won a few local championships with my reloads. Their dies are excellent for the price and, to be honest, better than pricier brands that don’t even use carbide and require lubrication.
For bolt action rifles I prefer Redding Type S dies (L.E. Wilson seating die on the way), because of micrometer and bushing options for precision shooting. For semi-autos I’ve been experiencing with Lee’s ultimate die set: the collet system theoretically uniforms yours necks on the inside and on the outside, arguably giving you consistent neck tension (I don’t have the time to neck turn 400-500 5.56s for plinking like I do with 50-100 .308s for precision).
In short, for anything other than high precision rifle reloading, LEE dies are the best value you can get.
Howdy! We've actually done quite a few articles & videos about Lee equipment and have a lot of respect for Lee's products. Here's a link to just one of our articles. If you go to the UR website and search for LEE you'll get a lot of results! ultimatereloader.com/2017/08/18/budget-precision-223-lee-deluxe-challenger-kit-unboxing-and-setup/
I'm a RCBS guy.. but.... My Lee powder measure throws PERFECT weighs EVERYTIME... And I mean EVERYTIME
@@stairman3151 those basic Lee perfect powder measures are truly a wonder. I have a couple and they work so well.
Awesome video, as always, brother!!! I always enjoy seeing you and Guy working together on a project!!! Awesome shooting by Guy and you!!! Very interesting and informative video!!! Very impressive rifle and ammo results when using quality components and equipment!!!
It is nice to see what is actually possible, thanks guys
In 2013 I built custom co-ax shell holder housings on my mill, to make jaw swapping easy. Then I ran into a guy with a huge machine shop, who did the same thing 10 years earlier.
Great video men, enjoyed it,see you on the next one.
Great video and you are my type of geek, there is no geek better than a gun and ammo geek 👏 👏
I am just going to be getting into reloading, I got a 5.56, bunch of ammo NATO & I am thinking about the Forster Co-Ax , due to checking out your video presentations !
Big Up Bros 😎
Amazing accuracy and shooting!
Always look forward to your vids! Keep it up!
Thanks, and thanks for watching Noal!
Wow! Once again, using a "Classic" press & sundries...coupled with some modern techniques.....Outstanding PERFORMANCE! Way to go! Gavin & Guy!
Good stuff guys!
Great content. Was just thinking about getting a build going and learning how to load. This helps give me a starting point.
Get a progressive man. Single stage presses take so freaking long. Unless you want the most precision you can. I reload to make better ammo for cheaper and get more precise loads and shoot a ton more. Over 3 hours of reloading I will put out 1000 rounds of 223, 308 or 300 blackout and rip those. It would take me a week to do that on a single stage. Single stage is for retired people with nothing to do, shooters who want to shoot in the same hole or professionals shooters. Get yourself a Dillon xl750. It’s already paid for itself in less than a year for me.
@@AutopilotAndChill thanks brotha. Appreciate the knowledge transfer. Will definitely look into the Dillon xl750.
I’ve got a Rem700 223 Ack Imp IBI medium hunter 1:8 stainless barrel, sitting in a Magpul hunter stock running 2.6” AICS waters rifleman mags. Reloading on a RCBS RCIV with Redding dies. Ar2206h, 75gr ELD-M, CCI BR4 srps 2.445” COAL 👌
Hey, I’m glad you enjoy your 223 Ackley I really enjoy mine
That rifle is so beautiful. Thank you for helping us out. By us I just mean seekers of knowledge. It’s really helpful. Never quit please. God bless.
I ❤️ 223/223Ai round in 24-26 1-8 twist.
Awesome video! Guy is an impressive shot. Looking forward to the future UR PRS shooting team.
And for precision 223, I have what I call a target 223 AR-15. The barrel is from Compass Lake Engineering (CLE) and is chambered in CLE 223, Aero Precision M4E1 receiver set, Timney trigger, JP bolt properly headspaced, and a Bushnell Tac Optics 6-24 scope. I have Lapua brass, Berger 80gr VLD Target bullets, VV N540 powder, and CCI SRPs. I'm still in the load development phase, so I don't have results yet.
Gavin, looks like you've been hacked. I've seen this message on multiple posts.
You might want to look into Forster's seater stem shop service. They will polish your seater stem for the type of bullet that you're using, it's a new service. I'm having two made up for .308 168gr. Sierra MK and Berger 168 VLD Target, cannot wait to get them and see how they perform. PS, I enjoy your videos.
Good deal, thanks for watching!
Man I’d like to have that 168
@@arborist460 Bruno's in Phoenix Arizona is selling Berger bullets on sale, or Champion's Choice.
Outstanding and rare stuff. Rare because I never see precision like this anywhere else on the web. "Well done" doesn't do it justice. Long live OCD!!!
I have also modified my sinclair concentricity gauge so it measure ogive runout relative to the shoulder. When the firing pin pushes the case forward, it centers with the shoulder.
I’m always on the hunt for better equip especially for the 50 BMG and the V440 I hope to have built next. I like that this one has the adapter for regular dies too
This is cool in my opinion! I love videos like this!
Good deal- thanks for being a part of the channel!
I just acquired an old Bonanza forester press. Can't wait to get it up and running. I need that press mount and plate. What is the name of that mount? Might as well pick up some Forester dies and that powder measure too.
The rest of my gear is Lee, RCBS, and Pacific. It's time to step it up for me and I also want an economical 223/5.56 bolt rifle.
I have a Forster press, micrometer die, Lapua brass, H4895 powder, Berger 80gn VLD and a Criterion 1:7 for my 1000 yd 223 bolt gun.
Been loading competition ammo on a Forster press, using Forster dies for a long time. High quality products that get great results on target.
I load my 223 69gr. Sierra mk with a variety of Hodgson powder all at 2800 fps using a Hornady FL Match sizing die with no bushing die then I neck size with the Lee Collet Neck Sizing die,
My barrel/action is a factory Rem. 700 threaded with a Harrels tuner/brake at the #2 setting in a Cadex Strike Nuke stock.
My best 5 shot groups @ 100 yds. have been reduced from 5/8" down to 3/8"which after only shooting for a year and a half makes me happy :)
By the way, I have KMS lights on my Hornady Classic Single Stage press. Also looking to put them on my Hornady powder measure.
Quick question: how do you get the modular s-type jaw system to work with lights on the Forester Coax press? Seems like I went to the Forester site, and they said the modular jaw system wouldn't work with the press lights. Are you using a different type of light system, if so, can you send me a link?
Hi, maybe I missed it but what is the twist of your barrel? thanks
Thanks for the info. Please keep it coming. Yes, shooting 223 at 500-1000. It is a kick. Running a semi-custom Rem 700 1/8 twist 26”. Varmint Contour in a HS Precision Stock. Triggertech Special 1.5 lb. Load of choice thus far. Lake City Brass, 75gr Horn ELDM, 24.3 gr. BLC-(2) 2800 fps. Definitely not shooting one hole groups like you all but under hanging just under 1/2”.
Gavin,
Thank you SO MUCH for sharing your knowledge with the community. I’ve been shooting and reloading for decades, but I am new to precision shooting and reloading. I’ve learned so much about great gear and good process by watching your channel.
Here is the $64,000 question though… Of all the various steps involved in reloading, what are the top 10 (in order) that affect accuracy?
Is it powder type and quantity?
Is it brass prep (but which step, is it neck sizing or…)
Is it bullet selection
Is it bullet seating depth
Etc.
Etc.
As someone new to the hobby of precision shooting, I’m slowly acquiring new gear quarter by quarter.
I’m also an engineer, so I’d like to apply the “theory of constraints” to my gear acquisition and refining my process. In other words, I’d like to tackle the things that matter most (for accuracy) first.
Thanks in advance for your answer, and thanks again for all the great info on this channel.
Sorry, just saw this. I think that my biggest accuracy improvements came with using all quality components, and also paying a lot of attention to seating the bullet straight, really straight, with good quality dies. None of the other stuff seemed to matter nearly as much.
Live Forester dies! Great video Guy!!
Thanks CW! I like those dies as well.
I’ve got the apex 10 but wanting a single stage now as well. Torn between the Forster and Mec. I like the die quick change dies. Is there other better options?
Where is the best place to look for cheapest pricing on this press and all the accessories you are using? I am very impressed with your video collection and you have helped me to answer a lot of my questions with your site. Thanks again for all that you do!
Where did you get that silencer sleeve from? I'm lookin for a 151mm. Does somebody know of what materiel i could do one by my own?
Forster is good equipment, but it's not the only game in town. I use a Whidden micrometer die set for 6BR, and no case reads more than .001. Many show a zero reading. I have to quibble with that primer seater. It may be OK with Lapua brass, but on mixed cases, it is a disaster. There is not enough leverage, and little feel. I junked it and got the RCBS bench primer tool. Happy now.
Your in the zeros now…you ain’t kiddin…that’s what we’ll all strive to do
223 bolt guns are probably my favorite. Lets see what you can do with that COAL space in the MDT. Get that 77 going fast.
I am shooting 75gr ELD at 3040 FPS, 26" barrel. No pressure. Seating at 2.51" jumping .030". Laser beam.
Fun isnt it?????
@gavin do you like that press more than the area 419?
Can you reload brass from a fluted chamber like PTR91 in 308?
Savage 16 FLHSS 223rem, factory 22" SS bbl, 1:9" twist, ~ 1500 rds down range at paper & coyotes...
Case length - 1.750" / CCI 450 Sm Mag primer / 24.5 gr Varget / 2.035" OAL / 68gr Hornady HPBT Match @ ~2850fps
Groups at or under an inch, from "MY" 15-20 y/o bone-stock rifle, when I do my part... YMMV 😉
Loading my .223 in a rcbs rock chucker single stage. LC brass, 77gr berger otm’s, 24.6gr of varget powder, 2.255 oal. Shooting out of a 14.5” criterion CORE barreled AR with a vortex 1-10x razor…..consistent 1/4”- 1/2” groups at 100 yards
So I just built a precision 223, chambered in 223 Wylde. I just shot some of the best groups of my life on Friday. I was using the 80 grain Berger Target bullets using Tac Powder. I was wondering if you you could possibly do some heavy 223 loads. Like 80-88 grain, and check the long range performance. Also was wondering what the OAL was in the magazine you have on your trainer rifle. I modified my Savage magazine to get a OAL of 2.436. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am having a hard time getting components, and what little I have, I don’t really want to waste. I want to eventually see what I can get at 1k.
Dan at Inline Fabrication is the best!
What size shell holder do you use for the 223? According to Forster, the “S” shell holder must be used for 223, but mine doesn’t work.
I'd like to see a head to head comparison between 243 Win and 6mm CM, at typical hunting distances (up to 500 yards) and beyond that at long distance competition ranges (1,000+ yards)
Our related story is HERE: 243 Win -vs- 6mm Creed (Which is better?)
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@@Ultimatereloader Thank you I'll check it out
I love the Forster priming tool if for no other reason you can load the tubes in just a few seconds!!!! I also really want a Forster Coax press. I think it might be faster to swap dies around.
The Forster Co-Ax is definitely faster at die changes.
Try loading that bullet to 1.888"-1.904" from base to lands and I will be accuracy stays and E.S. comes down. You have tons of magazine length to try it. I have done the homework for you on this one.
I wouldn't praise the reloading equipment as much as the platform of that rifle
Guess Guy hasnt watched Gavins video on the frankford arsenal m press.
What is your freebore on that chamber, where about are you hitting the lands? Love the 223 vids.
See : ultimatereloader.com/2022/02/01/223-trainer-build-my-most-accurate-rifle-ever/
Full reamer print in the article!
Sweet
Your audio is very low. I switched to another RUclips video and their audio was fine.
Thank you. We'll look into that.
The most accurate rifle I ever shot was a 223 I built on a mini mouser it had a heart stainless number 3 taper Barrel the best group I ever shot was 5 shots in .71 in.
I've haven't seen your videos in about 4-6 months so I'm catching up but I got to say that background you have now is missing with my mind, you got to change that paneling!
Can you shoot 223 in a 556 Barrel, and vice versa??
You can shoot .223 and 5.56 out of a 5.56 barrel. You can shoot 5.56 out of a .223 barrel IF it has a wylde chamber. If not then no. The pressures of 5.56 are much higher than .223.. hope this helps.
Now change the bolt face for a standard 308 case head, change the barrel to a fast twist 22 caliber and ream the chamber for 22CM. load some 95 gr Sierra Match and you’ll be impressed.
Does rcbs offer honed dies? I'm starting to get into reloading, and I've heard so much great stuff about the rock chucker supreme (both from your 14 press shoot out and talking to some friends who have done precision reloading for a while) but it's hard to argue with a press set up that lead to a 0.001" concentricity measurement
You would have to call them but I doubt it. My advise after 50 years of reloading is, I'll give you is the same I gave my brother when he started reloading. Concentrate on acquiring quality equipment, buy a rifle capable of 1 moa performance and start learning the technique's of handloading to get cartridge performance at 1 moa or under. Quality ammo and consistency is the key, once you reach that sub-moa group then start pushing for that 1/2" 5 shot group or smaller. Costs increase exponentially and the amount of time spent just on your brass can be huge.
@@hardball107 50 years of reloading is quite some time, thanks for your advice, I got into shothell reloading a couple years back and haven't done much in metallic cartridge reloads yet.
I also have a rock chucker supreme, it came with a pound of IMR 4831 and some great reloading manuals
@@johnny-james You got the right press, I bought mine in 1982 and it still is putting out rounds that hold that 1/2" group, I thought about replacing it but after all my years in National Match Service Rifle and more shooting by myself and family there is still no wear on it. Start easy and work up and you'll do well and enjoy it.
Checkout RCBS Match Master dies. Very good sets.
@@ncwg2boatguy that's what I was leaning towards getting. I got no problem paying for the best if it's the best I can get. With the exception of the triple price of the area 419 press compared to the rock chucker supreme lol I'm not that good of a shot to go to that extreme just yet
I will within the next year start reloading. Who makes the absolute best reloading products - dies, resizing, presses, progressive reloaders, etc..., How should I start out - Single Stage reloaders Progressive Reloaders?
Better start shopping for primers and powder before you get to deep into it.
Gavin,
You stated that the .223 is your favorite caliber. Better than a .22 lr? I know that if I really want to hit something, a centerfire is the best choice.
I was going to try to replicate your load to be honest. I just a bought a Proof 223 trainer/tactical Class barrel. I might just possibly buy about 200 Berger OTM factory boxes, and re use the brass.
It’s all about the U 🙌🏼
Good deal!
Anyone know where I can find the Berger OTM 77 gr bullet in stock?
Found some at Natchez couple weeks ago
@@jimgirton2764 Thanks!
I just bought 8lbs N555 yesterday because of your 77gr berger 223 bullet video previously. But when I input those value into Quickload, I got 113.9% filling volume and 87.86% burnt rate. And the chamber pressure is 36k psi which is relatively low(55k max for 223 rem SAAMI). Are those number make sense?
We used N-140, not N555...
I have Quickload software also. N555 looks like it will not be that great for a couple of reasons. The 77 OTM load is looking to be around 2850 fps from a 20" barrel and the N555 looks to be 2400-ish with a lot of un burned powder. You are also asking for a very compressed charge.
@@guyminer3168 Gosh, what’s wrong with me…
@@willxu08 N555 is used in Creedmoor cartridges.
@@willxu08 - not a thing. You're human. I've made mistakes along the handloading road as well.
So wait a moment. Guy shot a 3 round .053" group with ammo loaded from a powder dropper? Did he verify each powder drop with a scale and trickler? I'm thinking he did.
Swat sniper! I knew you were a bad ass
My mis-spent youth. USMC and law enforcement. Gave my adrenaline something to do for 30+ years. :)
@@guyminer3168 LOL Hardly mis-spent! Semper Fi brother.
Yep I said it was just like my old Bonanza powder thrower. And will you quit advertizing Forster products! Their too busy and won't even consider taking orders to ship down here in NZ. I had to go to Wilson dies. I have a Steyr .223 Pro Hunter, do you think companies would have chamber length figures that would save us trying to measure? Thanks for all your videos!!
Depending on magazine manufacturer, you could probably get away with a 2.262 for your C.o.a.l, and where you need your ogive number to be. So I would say if you run your numbers. Probably a little longer would not hurt you
Will reload .223 work in a auto rifle? Is there a special way a person has to do ?
Yes it will! Crimping case mouth can in some cases help with feeding.
Not too excited about 30fps E.S. That wont do at 800-1,000yds PRS match
The world longest Forster sponsored advertisement. Don't get me wrong, Forster makes great products but this was clearly an ad
I’m trying to understand why for some people it takes so many steps to shoot that accurate. I have several rifles (including 3 AR’s I assembled myself using premium components) that have produced groups in the .0’s and .1’s.
My hand loading is pretty mild compared to this. I focus on having a good primer, powder, and bullet combination loaded into brass that is the same head stamp. I have never adjusted for neck tension and am limited to loading at mag length. Have all of these steps been verified to actually do anything?
Yeah, I did the same thing on my Lee and shot it thru a Mini 14.
In my dreams! Muahahahahaha!
223👍🎶💡🎵☀️⭕