Hawken Expert Bob Woodfill Reviews the InvestArms Hawken Muzzleloader Kit | Beginner Hawken Rifle

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  • Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
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    Bob Woodfill is a longtime friend of mine, when he wrote his book "The Hawken Rifle; Its Evolution from 1822-1870" I saw Bob's scholarly side and his willingness to share his research. In 2021 Bob became fascinated with doing whatever he could to spread his love of the Hawken rifle with muzzleloading enthusiasts everywhere. The success of his book brought Hawken fans of all kinds to his doorstep and he wanted to do more to give back.
    When it comes to Hawken rifles, the original pieces are so valuable, many of us, including Bob will probably never own one. Masterful recreations can fetch $10,000+, and very historically accurate kits can fetch $1500-$3000 depending on how you complete them. Bob reached out to me wanting to understand how someone with a limited budget could enjoy the Hawken rifle. When asked my mind immediately went to the Hawken kits I've built over the years. The first is the Traditions, St. Louis Hawken. Comically, Bob advised me on the build of this kit several years ago and had the same thing to say today, "It's a fine kit but there's not extra you can do with the kit". Bob was looking for an affordable, semi-accurate kit that could be finished to be a more accurate recreation of the Hawken Rifle.
    I ultimately recommended the InvestArms Gemmer Hawken kit to Bob as a good place for a newcomer to get a semi-accurate kit made of quality components. Bob bought his kit and was off to the races. The "Gemmer" Hawken kit doesn't bear much resemblance to the actual Gemmer made Hawken rifles, but it does a few things right. The InvestArms Gemmer Hawken kit features all steel/iron hardware like the original Hawken rifles and importantly, the InvestArms kits leave some extra wood on the kit allowing for historically accurate modification.
    I met with Bob in June 2022 and he gave me some of his initial impressions of the kit, by September 2022 Bob had finished the kit and was excited to share it with me in this video. Ultimately this kit was sent home with a young man who drew a Colorado Elk Tag. He will be hunting elk just like the mountain man of the old days, Hawken in hand.
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    VIDEO CHAPTERS
    0:00 The Hawken in the 20th Century
    1:27 The Hawken in 2022
    3:50 Mr. Woodfill shares his InvestArms Hawken experience
    13:40 Bob's Wood Staining Technique
    16:01 Wood Finish/Sealer
    17:05 Bob's Philosophy on Hawken Wear
    18:00 Metal Finishing Techniques
    20:00 Bob Woodfill Reviews the InvestArms Gemmer Hawken
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Комментарии • 116

  • @WileyHickok-sd6ov
    @WileyHickok-sd6ov 13 дней назад +1

    That was so neat. What craftsmanship. Thank you for taking the time to explain all that, sir. And thank you to "I Love Muzzleloading" for filming and putting this together.

  • @MrKmoconne
    @MrKmoconne Год назад +16

    I remember the Friendship, sheep shed, commercial row from the 1970s with all the vendors and their parts. It was a magical place that did not shut down after dark. The vendors would eat dinner in their booth and stay open till about 10:00pm, talking to each other, sharing stories, talking to some of those men Bob mentions. It might still be that way but I have not camped at Friendship in 40 years.

  • @MittenJim
    @MittenJim Год назад +15

    What a downright enjoyable video! Everything that is right in the world bubbles forth from Mr. Woodfills enthusiasm. Lucky young man to tote that iron around this fall!

  • @kentowens2179
    @kentowens2179 Год назад +3

    Nice video! A very good friend of mine used to collect original Hawken rifles. He passed away some time back. Don Stith was his name, your video caused me to remember him. He was a fine gentleman.

  • @rickyburton4642
    @rickyburton4642 Год назад +2

    Miracles happen every day ! 👍👍👍😎. It’s great hearing him talk about them!

  • @alanlutz8373
    @alanlutz8373 Год назад +10

    I bought a Thompson Center Hawken Renegade 54 cal. there in September. I've got a few revolvers but this is my first rifle. I can't leave it alone. I shoot often and my wife is wanting her own now. It's not fancy, but good for my wants and needs.
    Thanks for the video.

    • @dalewilson8476
      @dalewilson8476 Год назад +1

      My wife and I have been shooting black powder for years. And it happened the same way for me. I took her with me a few times to dust of my 54 ….and it wasn’t very long after that and she wanted a Hawkins 50 kit..been love ever since.

    • @MrOldclunker
      @MrOldclunker Год назад

      I have quite a few T/C Renegade Rifles and they out shoot the custom made one at the matches. Maybe the shooter has something to do with that as well.

  • @556suppressor
    @556suppressor Год назад +3

    I bought the book The Hawken Rifle from NMLRA. I really enjoyed it. I have 2 Investarms Hawkens from their factory that I shoot every summer. Thanks for your video.

  • @tomfrommichigan
    @tomfrommichigan Год назад +1

    Thank you, this was fantastic. I'm grateful to see people willing to share their knowledge with others. I'm saving this for future reference.

  • @calebswartz6273
    @calebswartz6273 6 месяцев назад +2

    Absolutely fantastic. Been trying to learn as much as I can about proper Hawken builds and this information is extremely helpful. Another great video, thanks Ethan!

  • @NemoVir
    @NemoVir Год назад +5

    Wish I can see a video on how to tune both percussion locks and flintlock locks.

  • @ramrodkid4440
    @ramrodkid4440 Год назад +2

    I have never made it to the Friendship Shoot. But as a young man, I did get to meet Roland Harper. As the story went, there was a match named after him there at the Friendship matches. Hope you got to meet him before he retired to Arizona. He was a heck of a shooter and a wealth of information for all of us out here in the west hungry for knowledge of anything BLACK POWDER !

  • @searchingfor6thgear44
    @searchingfor6thgear44 Год назад +1

    WOW! Thank you for preserving this for us. Such a wealth of knowledge and skill. As soon as I saw that rifle I knew it wasn't "modern." He does such a good job of explaining all the nuances. What a joy to watch!

  • @alanparadis5061
    @alanparadis5061 Год назад +2

    Great video ! VERY interesting information Ethan, thank you for sharing this!

  • @Strutingeagle
    @Strutingeagle Год назад

    Good to see Mr. Haney from Green Acres still alive and has a good hobby to boot!!!!

  • @billwessels207
    @billwessels207 Год назад +1

    A very enjoyable and informative video. Thank you so very much, Sir!

  • @snappers_antique_firearms
    @snappers_antique_firearms Год назад +1

    Great interview. Thanks for bringing this to us.

  • @PapaCubScout
    @PapaCubScout Год назад +4

    This is a great idea for future videos. You should try to get more interviews of these craftsmen to save for the future. This was an amazing overview of the great Hawkens. Thanks!

  • @johngallagher2313
    @johngallagher2313 Год назад +2

    That is the best muzzleloading video I can recall ever watching. So plainly informative.

  • @georgefoster9596
    @georgefoster9596 Год назад +1

    That was awesome thank you.

  • @briannelson4493
    @briannelson4493 Год назад

    I have a Lyman Great Plains rifle in 54 cal it is such a pleasure to shoot and very accurate, and heavy. I’ve taken a few deer with it, but I prefer my short barreled 50 , it is a great brush gun and I still get 2 in grouping’s at 50 yards . I love your tutorials I have learned a lot thanks.

  • @de629
    @de629 Год назад +2

    Thanks, I found this very interesting.
    I grabbed my Mike Adcock Hawken and compared it to your discussion of originals.

  • @kevinward8915
    @kevinward8915 Год назад

    I ordered your book am really enjoying it,learning a lot

  • @Milwaukee307
    @Milwaukee307 Год назад

    What a vast array of knowledge. Thank you sir.

  • @uriah-s97
    @uriah-s97 Год назад

    Awesome video Ethan!

  • @jaydee5156
    @jaydee5156 3 месяца назад

    Beautiful job.

  • @wolfmaan
    @wolfmaan Год назад

    A beautiful wealth of knowledge. Thank you for sharing!!

  • @nicktant1756
    @nicktant1756 Год назад

    Awesome video. I learned a ton!

  • @johnvaness8445
    @johnvaness8445 Год назад

    Great video Ethan, thanks!

  • @billwessels207
    @billwessels207 11 месяцев назад

    Particularly enjoyed your little shop helper.

  • @ce7388
    @ce7388 10 месяцев назад

    This is a great discussion, if not a better tutorial. Thx!

  • @dalewilson8476
    @dalewilson8476 Год назад +1

    My wife bought a Hawkins 54 cal kit for me in 73 , I still have it ..the only thing I did since it was new was to have the barrel re blued .

  • @marksommers6089
    @marksommers6089 Год назад +1

    I remember The Old Days when Turner Kirkland ( Early days of D-G-W )- The Plinker Flint, Or Percussion Kits - Parts were Reasonably Priced- Turner wanted to Promote the Sport, And it's done by NOT SCALPING THE CONSUMER ---

  • @milo8425
    @milo8425 Год назад

    This is such a cool little spotlight

  • @johnmuffy2848
    @johnmuffy2848 Год назад +3

    Mr. Woodfill, you did a great job on the Gemmer Hawken. I have one also, and you showed me things I need to do. I loved the presentation. Well done sir. An Inspiration for sure.

  • @cammobunker
    @cammobunker Год назад

    Yes sir. those guys from back in the day at the Friendship meets really rescued the nearly lost art of Muzzleloading here in the US. One thing, What Mr. Woodfill is talking about with the metal finish is called "rust bluing", where you take the metal from browning and then boil it. Metal prep is key for this process, it has to be near perfect, and will show any imperfections like a neon sign. "Fire Bluing" is just that, flame bluing, and is a very precise operation involving raising the metal to an exact temp for a specified time. It's not for the fait of heart, and is best used on small bits like screw heads The grey finish he's talking about is what case hardening looks like after it's been exposed to oxidation (All steel is slowly oxidizing over time) and handling for years. Hawken rifles would have actual case hardened colors on the parts he mentions when new, but after 100+ years and frequent hard use, it would turn gray like he says. And yes, they leave FAR too much wood on the kits, but I'm sure it reduces the amount of spoiled stocks in production

  • @Bayan1905
    @Bayan1905 Год назад +2

    That Investarms Hawken reminds me a lot of the old CVA Mountain Rifle. They look very much the same, the barrel is the same length, etc. The sights are a little different, but everything else appears to be the same.

  • @todd718
    @todd718 Год назад +2

    I was very glad to see the article in Muzzleblasts (Sep 2022) about this rifle, and this video really helps to expand on the article. Anyone interested in Hawken rifles should go to the Hawken Classic near St Louis, MO in 2023, 2024 or 2025 and see many original Hawken rifles. I also bought Bob’s book from the NMLRA and read it from cover to cover. My two Lyman Great Plains Rifles need a facelift following this recipe. Will this rifle be displayed at the Hawken Classic 2023? Thank you for making this video.

  • @thomaszaccone3960
    @thomaszaccone3960 Год назад +9

    This is awesome. I wish you would do one on a full stock earlier version of a Hawken which could have been the possible flintlock first Hawkens of myth. I wonder what finish the Hawkens really used? Was it a linseed oil type finish or something else? I read somewhere the German Gunsmiths of PA used a kind of varnish, like a violin varnish, on their rifles in the 1700a.

  • @johnhoward7298
    @johnhoward7298 6 месяцев назад

    You're one ( if not the THE most ) knowledgeable Person on this subject I've come across !
    Thank You for the information .
    Although I'm no longer a Youth ( You know this when People start saying that You're " X " amount of years " YOUNG " on Your Birthday ) !
    I said that to say this ; I want to become a Beginner in this black powder rifle shooting world . I don't have a rifle at this time ( or enough knowledge to be safe , both to Myself and Others ) .
    I'm going to HAVE to buy a used and working ( and accurate ) rifle with a short barrel . I'm not much into " wall hangers " I'm more into " go BANGERS " . I'm not able to afford a very expensive rifle either ! SO I guess that leaves Me between a rock & a hard place .

  • @randiegadberry5448
    @randiegadberry5448 Год назад

    Great video!

  • @Bhartrampf
    @Bhartrampf Год назад

    Awesome info, thanks

  • @HawkenHorse
    @HawkenHorse Год назад

    Legend! 🐐

  • @gijoe508
    @gijoe508 Год назад

    Wealth of knowledge right there

  • @chrisbrown8108
    @chrisbrown8108 Год назад

    fantastic video 👍👍

  • @allenjones4949
    @allenjones4949 Год назад

    Great video.

  • @billjenkins5693
    @billjenkins5693 Год назад

    Thank you

  • @feltn78
    @feltn78 Год назад

    Wonderful truly enjoyed the many helpful info and tips. Hope to get back to Friendship real soon!

  • @montanamountainmen6104
    @montanamountainmen6104 Год назад

    I have a InvestArms .54 Hawken. Got it in 1995. It shoots fine , heavy as a fence post , but overall not bad. Only hang up is in the barrel by the nipple there is a " Fence" per say , with Pyrodex it will " hiccup" sometimes unless real black powder is used.

  • @kevinward8915
    @kevinward8915 Год назад

    Very good video, a lot of great information

  • @L2FlyMN
    @L2FlyMN 5 месяцев назад

    I’ve always wanted one with a tiger maple stock & polished brass trigger guard, butt plate & patch box, mainly for display. Have a 50 cal. Hunter cap lock now in the drab hunter model.
    A Great Plains 50 cal. is also on my list of wanted.

  • @krockpotbroccoli65
    @krockpotbroccoli65 Год назад +1

    The stocks on these are new growth European Beech (the old ones yield wood that's even more knurled and figured than the best old growth red maple) . Its light like maple so Aquafortis should work well on it to get that proper deep red/ brown color.

  • @mattedwards4533
    @mattedwards4533 Год назад

    I enjoyed this video. I have an Ithaca Hawkin that I dearly love. It will go with me till I turn my toes up in a pine box.

  • @RussWenner
    @RussWenner Год назад +1

    Aw now I have to get a Gemmer Hawken kit too! Where does this hobby end!?!?

  • @duaneharshaw2080
    @duaneharshaw2080 Год назад

    what a great video

  • @phillipgouthier1349
    @phillipgouthier1349 Год назад +1

    A fantastic video! Are there any books that can be used as reference material for building a Hawken Rifle?

  • @derekseiders3597
    @derekseiders3597 Год назад +6

    Great videos a lot of good info
    It’s amazing to me how sharp that rifle is
    Would be great idea to have some templates that a beginner can get ahold of to get the correct lines when carving the stock

  • @chrishynes6091
    @chrishynes6091 6 месяцев назад

    Entertaining and informative! I just happened upon this vid,

  • @alexs5744
    @alexs5744 Год назад

    I knew that high quality custom made Hawkens can be expensive but I didn’t know that they can be sold as the same price as a .50 BMG, I learned something new.

  • @kurtbogle2973
    @kurtbogle2973 11 месяцев назад

    Just so everyone knows this. The Missouri Historical Society has the Hawkins Bros. Rifling machine. In ST Louis Mo.

  • @thomashocker2792
    @thomashocker2792 Год назад

    I like the green mountain barrels.

  • @jensfritz63
    @jensfritz63 6 месяцев назад

    Looks like my Pedersoli River Hawken is a true (or at least very close) rendition of an original Hawken.

  • @jeffallen6754
    @jeffallen6754 Год назад

    My Dad had a rifle ordered from Homer Dangler in 2017 or there about before declining health caused my dad to cancel the order. My dad passed in early 2018 and I heard that Homer had passed recently as well. We camped right next to Homer and Fran for years near the shotgun range in Friendship. Rip pop and Homer.

    • @ILoveMuzzleloading
      @ILoveMuzzleloading  Год назад +1

      Wow Jeff, that's quite the story. Dangler was and still is an icon in the sport. May they all rest in peace!

  • @outdoorlife5396
    @outdoorlife5396 Год назад

    I put a Hawkin kit together in 77, I was 16. Still use it. Question is, like in the war of 1812, AR or the Alamo. I know they made a muzzle loader that was like a single barrel shotgun. Most farmers used them for deer, birds etc. It shot buck and ball, birdshot etc. Question is, in the fighting, did militia use muskets or rifles? I know Morgan had riflemen. Second part of the question is after you fire the first shot on a rifle, if you do not patch the next ball it will be easier to load, but your round will drop about a foot, or more at 50 yards. What did they do in attacks? Thank you for your answer

  • @geradebowden3293
    @geradebowden3293 11 месяцев назад

    I have an Austin Halleck flintlock hawken

  • @arthurquintana1345
    @arthurquintana1345 Год назад

    Done subscribed! 1972 Jeremiah Johnson changed my life!

  • @shagakhan9442
    @shagakhan9442 Год назад

    I was just looking to buy one of these

  • @scottcarlson9913
    @scottcarlson9913 Год назад

    How does the TC 50 cal. Hawken stack up?.....curious....

  • @stevenladrig9592
    @stevenladrig9592 Год назад

    Do you build a 58 caliber Hawkins I'd be interested in that

  • @davefellhoelter1343
    @davefellhoelter1343 Год назад

    Grew up in So Cal had Dicks Black Powder Gun Works a few 100 yrds down MY Street! Rode My Bike there in 1976 and bought an 1858 KIT at 12 yrs old still have it! put it next to ANY Adult's! I too think well cared for tools look Best! new tools make me suspicious. GOOD JOB! Looks Great!
    I'm IN! I LIKE what you did with this Kit! these new kits are to rich for me and not enough "Me" in the kits. of late I have Re Built reproductions! I even have used my DYI fire blue quench for a wood stain. I want to be ready for any grand kids whom maybe Interested some day?

  • @larryadams2184
    @larryadams2184 9 месяцев назад

    What's the length of pull

  • @bobbysnow5478
    @bobbysnow5478 Год назад

    Thanks for the video!
    Do you have a contact link for Bob?
    I had a Hawken Family question for him. Thanks!

  • @johnhoward7298
    @johnhoward7298 5 месяцев назад

    I appreciate You posting this video !
    I'm interested in buying a Gemmer rifle . I'm not able to
    build a kit gun though . I don't even know what cal. to buy either .
    What would be the most useful cal. to hunt the most game ( different ) ?
    Is there a practical and legal cal. to hunt anything from
    squirrels to deer ?
    BTW ! ... I'm going to be going into MY
    second Childhood
    in a little while ( what would it cost for You to build ME
    one of those babies )

  • @leonardosilvaleonardo7883
    @leonardosilvaleonardo7883 Год назад

    Como compro uma dessa

  • @archielynn3663
    @archielynn3663 Год назад

    i hope he gets a big elk very nice gun wow

  • @jamesholt6032
    @jamesholt6032 6 месяцев назад

    The scene where Jeremiah was drawing a bead on a Elk with Bear Claws giving him advice on staying behind the horse....Well the point I'm getting to....the rifle in Jeremiah's hands
    DID NOT RESEMBLE A HAWKEN

  • @mistervacation23
    @mistervacation23 Год назад +1

    Are you familiar with the Henry Leman rifle?

  • @flinthillstrapper2857
    @flinthillstrapper2857 Год назад

    👍👍

  • @randyjohnson6845
    @randyjohnson6845 Год назад

    Thompson center claimed making those muzzle loaders for Jeremiah Johnson

  • @Koolibri33
    @Koolibri33 3 месяца назад

    i am tottaly in love with this rifle , since i live in europe and it is the only option we have to get a fire arme to defend ourselves without going trough burocratic shit ! sadly !

  • @user-kz5br7jo2v
    @user-kz5br7jo2v 9 месяцев назад

    ราคาเท่าไหร่ครับ

  • @rosieshire7032
    @rosieshire7032 7 месяцев назад +4

    Just when I thought I couldn't like this guy any more he says "its just like the difference... you know... there's beautiful women and there's really beautiful women. those lines are important." 🤣

  • @zlandon570
    @zlandon570 Год назад

    how do you buy from this company? i found their website but couldn’t find anything on ordering a rifle from them

  • @OutnBacker
    @OutnBacker Год назад +1

    Yup. The lines for the win. Beauty matters. To my eyes, the other factory offerings from CVA, TC, Traditions, etc, look too straight. Not enough drop at the comb, which may be the reason those things have such ugly, tall rear sights. They're just not "right." I think they are saving money on the width of the wood blanks.
    I still have my 1980 Lyman GPR - which I suspect is the Gemmer in the video, but dressed up with german silver. Very good factory rifle.

  • @chucklucas8747
    @chucklucas8747 6 месяцев назад

    Yes are no damn it

  • @Peter-od7op
    @Peter-od7op 10 месяцев назад

    If you bought a kilber rifle kit you cant go wrong

  • @victorshults242
    @victorshults242 Год назад +1

    🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪👍

  • @kailing1878
    @kailing1878 Год назад

    (✨✨✨...🤠🧠💓🦅I) love muzzleload too , but my country does noy allow people to use gun.🤔

  • @williamminamoto.7535
    @williamminamoto.7535 Год назад

    I look at a few things.. IS that wood. Kild dried.., it’s light.. brittle.. looks good.. wouldn’t pay 2 cents for all that labor.. dude.. it’s immediately a rejection.. all the holding power is cooked away.. and everything you say until you under stand.,

  • @flintrichards945
    @flintrichards945 Год назад

    Very interesting video thank you for all the great information.

  • @Man_Cave
    @Man_Cave Год назад

    Looks like they went out of production.

  • @larryadams2184
    @larryadams2184 Год назад

    I wonder if sell me a copy of the template for the lock

  • @dalevodden1359
    @dalevodden1359 9 месяцев назад

    I use to have a TC - ST Louis Hawkins and it was in .45 cal and I would love to have a nother one but they want to much for them even in a kit and they no longer come in .45 cal it's all F-ing .50 cal who makes the cheapest kit say around 300 to 400 dollars because that's affordable for Kitchener 2-3-4 15000 dollars not worth it for me who makes the more affordable ones

  • @JamesClark-lw6sw
    @JamesClark-lw6sw 2 месяца назад

    The Hawken Brothers were NOT from Switzerland. They were born in Maryland.