Post Office Horizon Inquiry Belinda & Miss Page PLUS Mediation Explanation SPOILERS It's daft
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Edited down, but not out of order, an easy way to keep up to date with the inquiry.
00:00 INTRO Thank you for keeping interested in the SCANDAL
00:20 Miss Page asks Belinda about her loyalties
01:03 Her job was to remove 2nd Sight
07:15 Miss Page asks Belinda about liabilities "Is that really your answer"
09:58 Paused prosecutions and liabilities to board members
12:00 Actions being brought against board members
16:28 Miss Page clearly isn't happy with Belinda
18:10 The Hoop filled scheme EASY TO SEE WHY SPM'S WERE CROSS WITH IT 
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Miss Page has a death stare that could send flowing lava back into the volcano... and it would be apologising on its way back for any inconvenience it may have caused Miss Page!
I quite fancy her
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Scary stuff! 😂 She's on fire as always! 😂 Excellent stuff 👏
Haha! You been listening to those Chuck Norris jokes again haven't you! 😂😂😂
I still dont get why she didnt get a crack at Jarsnail....🐌 ?
Miss Page is awesome. Hope she destroys Vennells.
So looking forward to that match....
Suggest local Councils/Cinemas set up a 'big screen' event to watch Page-v-Vennells....it'll be a packed house!!🤣🤣🤣
@@malbowstead7020 😁😁😁💯💯💯🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾😂😂😂
There appears to be an ongoing outbreak of incompetent amnesia among POL Management!!
Yes its obviously really contagious amazing how they have all got a dose
What a dubious mob they are!
What cute answers. She knows the real answers yet blurts out what she reckons she can get away with.
Interesting that they flagged up in 2013 the possibility they might be individually sued.
They have had over a decade to squirrel away their ill gotten gains. Bring on the prosecutions and confiscation orders.
4.03 in.. 'I hadn't seen the note that I wrote' LOL
A most absurd statement!
...and what's even more scary is you know this is how all management works (or doesn't work as the case may be) you and I are fodder nothing more
She must have written the note with her eyes closed then if she hadnt seen it 😂😂
Don't trust her shes an evil witch
I'm just laughing at the thought of Mr Singh giving someone an answer.
Yes he is a clown albeit a nasty 1
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He is deep in it.
All the POL staff obviously knew everthing and planned way back then they had to cover their butt's.
@@julietrees6534 He clearly only answers to God - whichever one suits his tie
Just love the Page death stare
The death stare only comes into operation when she smells bullshit
She’s just another example of corruption
Even the mediation was a cover up !! And one sided !!
It really is appalling to think about the relatively small sums of money that so many SPMR's had their lives ruined over and the huge salaries these people were being paid from tax payers contributions. There must be some kind of repercussion for some of these people. They literally covered up the fact that there were known bugs in the Horizon system and still sent people to jail with that knowledge. This literally the definition of Perverting the course of justice i.e.
" Doing an act tending and intending to pervert the course of public justice is an offence under the common law of England and Wales. Perverting the course of justice can be any of three acts: Fabricating or disposing of evidence. Intimidating or threatening a witness or juror. "
You're so right, and this is the profound irony: Millions and millions of pounds have now been spent by all parties in this entire fiasco, and that doesn't include the huge sums in compensation that the sub postmasters deserve and, hopefully, receive. And then we have reputation. The name of the Post Office is mud, and the reputations of all associated with this cover up have been sullied beyond redemption. And all for what? Just to recover a few thousand pounds which was never stolen in the first place.
dont forget POL spent £315k in legal fee's to recoup £24k that was sanctioned by Vennels
@@leso204 Exactly. I can't get my head around it.
POL spent £100 million paying top lawyers who have delayed and used up the money put aside for the sub posties. denying fair compensation.
Who made that decision to waste £100 million on high priced lawyer's after all the victimization of innocent Sub posties.
What IS it with these bloody witnesses! Brian Altman KC. So damn arrogant and not a little patronising! Trying to control the narrative even as a witness! I found him extremely disrespectful to Mr Beer who, although equal in professional status to Altman, was far superior in manner and demeanour! Altman showed no humility or remorse towards the POL victims, but instead banged on about hindsight and got seriously huffy with all the questions! Well, sirrah, that's what your there for! And had you done your bloody job properly then perhaps there wouldn't have been such an awful miscarriage of justice and you wouldn't be in the hot seat!!! Shame on you! Indeed, shame on ALL those in your profession who failed in their duties to the Court AND the POL victims! 🙏⚖️🙏😤
The very first question PV should ve asked is" When did you make the decision to cover up the bugs errors & defects contained within the Horizon System" Followed by "You know this decision denied SPMs a fair trial & this to the largest miscarriage of justice on the UK". "How does this square with your religious beliefs"
Excellent question particularly the point of being a CHRISTIAN minister. Nothing Christian about PV
How can one 'company' become so 'top-heavy' with so many 'carreer/money' scum ???
Is this the torys at work ???
It’s a problem with the upper levels of the corporate world through the Western world there seems to be a particular personality type who’s fetching up there arrogant ruthlessly ambitious lacking in empathy not much in the way of humanity honour or honesty either
They were mostly appointed during the Blair/Mandelson/Campbell era of honest politics. 😂
The blame for all this lies with Post Office and Fujitsu - it is certainly not party political, and any attempt to make it so will ultimately mean that PO and Fujitsu employees (esp at senior level) will get off the hook. Yes, there are some political figures who did not do enough, or were negligent to an extent, but throughout it is absolutely clear that Post Office had no problem in lying to ministers - just look at the way they treated Lord Arbuthnot and other MPs who were trying to help their constituents, all of them stonewalled by the likes of Vennells and van den Bergen.
Miss Paige is like a guided missile. I’d be shivering and shaking under her interrogation. Good for her.
Even the Spanish Inquisition would be in awe
They seem to talk about "wanting information" and yet they do not appear to have curious minds or a sense of right and wrong. Pencil pushers!!
They're all so DESPERATE to not be held responsible or accountable for their actions. Not a single ONE of them will hold their hand up and say ,'yes i knew but still did it' not one of them have any decency or morals or christian backbone.
Thank heavens for Ms Page because up until then the POL liar was getting an easy ride.....we need a whole prison building for this lot!
Yes & the awesome Jason Beer would not have been so gentle & accommodating! Much missed with this 'witness'.
Love miss Paige! She's a warrior and that look could melt ice!
Agree
This is one of the best vids you’ve posted thus far, learning the ‘mediation’ process was an absolute eye opener ....the PO were fighting all the way even though ‘they knew’ they’d broken laws and ruined lives! Once this is finally resolved and all the guilty players are paying their dues, I’m thinking ‘Mr Bates’ the movie?
the tory party have announced that they are going to allow some prisoners to get out of prison up to 70 days
befour they where due to be released to ease the overcrowding, hopefully that will free up space to house these
people responcible for inflicting such horrors on innocent people, their assets should also be frozen, bonuses
recovered and pensions cancelled, they need long prison sentences,
No. Their assets need to be expropriated and paid over to those they helped to convict.
No body asked
Unfortunately it will never happen, remember Hillsborough, they look after their own, this enquiry is a circus for the public, then any court cases will drag on for years till Vennels and her band of 40 thrives are 6ft under.
She doesn't know how to take Flora as miss Price gave her an easy time.
Nice one Miss Page, we think you are amazing
Miss Page just went straight in, taking no shit from anyone lol. Thanks Charlie for everything you do however I do watch the Official RUclips inquiry 😎👍
Why can't she just say assume....why does it have to be aaasssummMMMMeeee....lies,lies,lies. DEI hire...all the responsibility and none of the accountability. Take away reason and accountability but I'll have all the money and perks all the same. Truly evil people.
Thanks so much for making these, I don't always have time to keep up with the full inquiry videos. When I do have time now because of you I always make sure to watch the official Post Office (Fujitsu) Horizon IT Inquiry RUclips channel!
She's rattled at the @3:55 mark!
So she should be horrible women
Yet another on this sick conveyor belt trying to slime...worm their way out. What is truly disgusting, truly evil, is that so very many working inside the PO - and outside - are clearly still, to this day, very, very deliberately trying so hard to continue to cover all this up. They damn well knew, at the time, that their actions were destroying hundreds of innocent postmasters, and their families, lives.
Justice for Postmasters, indeed, NEEDS to be met!
Thanks Charlie ❤❤
They are all angling to dodge and diminish their responsibility. Are they all in contact with each other ?
Thanks for your continued effort and editing 👌
She keeps looking at the screen because she's flustered in her attempts to think up a lie on the hoof. Much like Rod Williams briefly scratching his notepad with the pencil as if he was going to write something.
Are these your kids madam?
“I don’t recall giving birth to them at the time, but they have lived in my house for a number of years and call me mummy, but I wasn’t aware they were mine.”
They are all either lying and should lose their jobs and face trial or so incompetent that they should lose their jobs and face trial.
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The PO obviously took a position that their crappy software was infallible and not one of them had the courage to blow the whistle. Now the lights have come on and all these 'roaches are scuttling for cover.
When I was watching it on my phone yesterday , there were times she reminded me of Blanche from Coronation Street. I bet she won't be able to hold her head up at the one o'clock club from now on.
Has ground been broken yet on a new wing at HMP ‘as yet unknown’ to house these disgraceful bunch.
1:03 forgot to ask:
1 . Did you feel a loyalty to the truth?
2. Did you feel any loyalty to the public?
3. Did you feel any loyalty to SPM?
4. Did you feel any loyalty to Parliament or MPs?
She could not have slithered and cringed any more if she had been covered in salt. A simple "yes" or "no" seems to be sn issue. .they have all clearly been briefed how to answer.
9:48. To be fair, no one at POL seemed to be very curious, and only interested in towing the company line.
She does a lot of assuming....Im not sure she will recall her way home ...
anther witness who never witnessed anything ...they all have the same talent to avoid anything that might incriminate them , or if uncertain that it migh, then they all stutter, fidget, stare at the screen, ask for the question to be repeated all whilst they desperately decide that this requires anothe lie or can I tell the truth ?
Just wondering if any of these people understand what the word “Perjury” means
Hope I don't get caught
Doesn't perjury relate to a court case ?
This isn't in court. Yet.
And if the tories remain in power it may never reach court.
@@scudger99 Perjury is lying under oath, whether in a court, tribunal or other similar proceedings. It is the deliberate act of presenting false evidence in order to pervert the course of justice
Knew this lady was going to awful when they said she used to be incharge of denialing disabled people's benefits
Loyalty without questioning exactly who or what it is you are being loyal to will come back and bite you in the bum...
Another one who should face a reckoning
Another Dalek I obey.
One point is that there are a number of technical procedures in mediation to arrive at the best possible outcome for both parties, given they're coming from different positions with different values. Neither will get everything they want, but neither gets nothing. Arbitration's more judgmental, deciding based on the rights and wrongs in each side's case. Neither recognise the possibility there is no case.
Nice job on editing ❤
Typical of civil servants. This witness was a consumate civil servant distancing themselves from anything contentious and not accepting ANY responsibility. Wormy, mealy mouthed-ness. They also have a "speak", terminology and non emotive language.
@Charlie Fleming : whats your spin on the Brian Altman / Jason Beer collision ?
One would think that a KC would understand that he should be addressing his/her answers to the Sir Wyn, not Mr Beer..and “certainly” (as Singh would say) understand he should not be attacking Mr Beer for asking questions on behalf of Sir Wyn. Mr. Altman conduct was bordering on disrespectful IMO.
Likely hood??? Singh's spelling is appalling. Either that or he is making reference to potential gangsters 😂
What is this Clarks advice ? I missed that
Flora rocks.
What is "slightly below average" supposed to mean? You don't have to be a mathematician to know that an average is a way to show the central value of a set of numbers. I think she's trying to weasel her way out of saying that less than half the applications were rejected.
I was waiting for her and the others to get tore into Jarnail , bit disappointed he never got the grilling he deserved, they must have realised hes already dug a big enough hole for himself. Her stare is scary lol
Miss Page is morphing into her side kick Mr Henry Shakespeare 😅 speaking to other human beings so degrading,is all that is wrong in society, whilst I have watched the daily inquiry , I agree in majority of what most others see, and the postmasters/mistress my heart truly and utterly support you. However, the way that people are addressed is absolutely disgusting and disrespectful.
Maybe they’d earn a little more respect with a few straight answers. Maybe
Yes, She looks very tense..🤬💩😭
Build a new prison for the Post Office Board! A big one!
She has that annoying habit of beginning almost every response "So...."
As did Angela Van Den Bogerd, must be the way they are trained by the post office supplied lawyers each one is accompanied by.
She should get the jail just for the amount of head bobbing she is doing.
The common factor in all these people is that they’re portraying themselves as junior staff.
Every item / issue siloed. No one taking initiative, taking broad view.
Just makes me mad.
Too many "I thinks' which is the same as saying 'to the best of my recollection'. She notes only matters where an email could contradict her. Being very careful to not step 4:42 'into it'.
SATAN BE GONE!
A joke.
Miss page likes her animal brooches she did wear one that to me looked like an octopus but I couldnt be sure just injecting a lighter note to these sorry proccedings
She seems like the first person i have watched who genuinely wants to help and get it right. Im not saying she didn't play a part in the cover up but seems genuine in what she wants to say now. Unlike mr singh and AVB who simply wanted to keep obstructing