Great review. I bought my first quads last year. One is the XT-P 850 max and an XMR 1000. Never having one before, can’t believe how you have to rock the XMR to get it into gear.
@ Plus I’m bummed, that I can’t say I have the most powerful stock Quad sold. Even though I only use it to take the grandkids for rides on paved roads LOL 😂
Nice looking machine. I am glad they improved the panel removal and the shifter sticking. I really like my 2022 xmr but the panel removal for servicing and belt change really not fun and irritating. Would like to see a full Service on this machine .
It’s not so much the G3 or the rear a arms that’s making it squat or have body roll. The G2 XT or DPS are super soft as well. I just recently switched to Elka shocks and had to take them off. Way too stiff for my liking. Nice having shocks that actually move when trail riding. And yes I agree, if the P Drive is anything like it is on the Ski-Doo it’s certainly an improvement. Very smooth, great design. Heavier, but it’s defiantly a better clutch.
I wonder why they chose to debut the engine in the Outlander and not the Renegade XMR? It's not like Outlander sales are down. Either way, extreme potential!
Honda would be your best bet as far as durability, followed by Yamaha, Kawasaki, then Suzuki. Japanese manufacturers are the only way to go as far as build quality. If you plan on modifying the machine, then you have to consider the limitations of OEM parts. For an example, the stock front tire on a Honda Rancher 420, rim, and tire is 23lbs. It’s a 2ply 24inch tire. If you add a 25inch Sedona Ripsaw 6ply tire with 12inch rims, that tire combo goes up to 40lbs. When you start doubling the weight on those axles, and hubs it will cause those components to wear prematurely, wheel bearings, bushings, axles, CV joints etc. If you where to add 14inch rims with say a 27-30inch mud tire you maybe adding up to an additional 80lbs or more to that axle. While it may rotate them, you would be putting much more strain on components not designed for that. The same can apply to drive shafts, and other mechanical components. You have to understand the limitations of OEM parts, and accommodate the modifications to that machine with aftermarket components intended to handle such upgrades. I personally don’t like the Can Ams because of weaker components, on a machine that has way too much hp, and torque for the frame, and chassis it’s mounted too. There are a number of issues with Can Ams, as to why I personally don’t like them.
@@ehTV1000 His comment was durability related , so I referred him to manufacturers who have a reputation, and record of building durable, and robust machines. Can Am doesn’t put strong enough components on their machines to mate well with the power of their engines when pushed hard. I also emphasized contributing factors as to why, and what might address those specific issues.
@billwill7383 diffs have been my only issue, and one powersteering unit. 7 Renegades now, and haven't chewd a diff in the last 5 so far though. Possibly headed in the right direction.
6 months if not that then yea 2025 or 26 they might have to change the frame in the renegade like they did the outlander but would probably have to make major changes to it
This is good question. I see they didn't bother offering an outlander xxc in the new model. When it comes to the racing models, can ya really beat trailing arm setups? I know what my preference would be.
Why do they weigh 975 lbs? I have a 2022 Renegade XXC 1K. Was hoping to trade, but they didn’t put the “big” motor in the Renegade. Doesn’t make sense. Most who buy a Renegade would appreciate the extra power.
They’re far better in every way except MAYBE for diehard mud riding only people , and possibly the Antarctica dwellers worried about frozen ice . Our 500 gen 3 makes zero squeaks groans or any drivetrain noises whatsoever , compared to the squeaking , groaning , insane drivetrain noise , howling straight cut rear diff gears , poor fit and finish 23 1000R XT. Absolutely love the 500 more in every way except power .
@pjfan173 you are correct. Anyone can read about the products on the manufactures website. You stated you like this and that without using it is ridiculous. You know how many things people buy and then don't like it?
They look good, have modern conveniences, the Rotax engine is okay, but that’s about where it ends. The overall build quality isn’t there for the long-term. I would like to see the motor mounts on the 850, and 1000’s. They are very pricey for a short term machine. Looks can be deceiving.
You raise some valid points. It's definitely a pricy toy to maintain. But what high-performance machines aren't? Lol. And yes, I definitely should have looked closer at the bushings on the machine, as premature failers are most certainly common on these machines. Being as my brother has pre ordered one, ill get to see the long term ware on a gen 3 here shortly. Cheers man, and thx for checking out the vid.
@ Yeah, I seen where people who purchased the XMR 700 G3 we’re already experiencing motor mount failures, and the roller bearings on the P-Drive primary clutch should be carefully inspected at around 500 miles, and every 500 miles after, as they to have shown to fail . There are videos on RUclips on preventative maintenance on greasing them. If they do fail, it can cause major transmission problems, and very costly repairs. I would really look into those two specific issues. Also inspect the torque bearings, as well for signs of grinding. All these issues can be found both on RUclips and forums. Hope this helps. Because the 850/1000 engines are even heavier than the 650cc 500/700 G3 outlanders I would carefully inspect, and keep a eye on them, especially if you do any aggressive riding, or happen to have any hard landings, or dip hits. Some people remedy this issue with using the Ski Doo motor mounts, as they seem to be better than those on the Outlanders, but will fit in place of the OEM ones.
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Can't wait for the XMR walk around. AND of course, the after market mods. Thanks for the video. "Ride Hard and Be Safe" Mn Bill
Yeah man, you're not alone there. As soon as my brothers unit shows up, I'll get on. I'll be sure to give it a good proper rip too. Cheers Bill
Thanks for the review brother 🍻🤟
You bet
Great video there bud. Still loving the Gen 2 styling. Keep up the great work bud.
Thx man, still loving mine as well brother. Love seeing the changes though. Definitely has some epic pull for sure.
Damn, the guy in the background wouldn't shut the f up. What a disrespectful bastard
Looks like they thought of everything. I'm in no rush to sell my 2021 850 but it sure would be nice to have this one.
I just got a gen 2 last year, but thinking the upgrade may be worth it!
Ya want the extra hp, eh!
@ There seem to be a lot of there refinements too. But 101 HP is pretty enticing!
Great review. I bought my first quads last year. One is the XT-P 850 max and an XMR 1000. Never having one before, can’t believe how you have to rock the XMR to get it into gear.
Absolutely, the aftermarket clutching smooths that out though. But ever new demos reminds me of that pain till now.
@ Plus I’m bummed, that I can’t say I have the most powerful stock Quad sold. Even though I only use it to take the grandkids for rides on paved roads LOL 😂
Nice looking machine. I am glad they improved the panel removal and the shifter sticking. I really like my 2022 xmr but the panel removal for servicing and belt change really not fun and irritating. Would like to see a full
Service on this machine .
Couldn't agree more! If I get a chance I'll be sure to post a vid on it.
It’s not so much the G3 or the rear a arms that’s making it squat or have body roll. The G2 XT or DPS are super soft as well. I just recently switched to Elka shocks and had to take them off. Way too stiff for my liking. Nice having shocks that actually move when trail riding. And yes I agree, if the P Drive is anything like it is on the Ski-Doo it’s certainly an improvement. Very smooth, great design. Heavier, but it’s defiantly a better clutch.
Great review Buddy 🫡. It looks very impressive. Wild wild beast🔥🤘. Biiiiiig Like👍
Big thanks
I wonder why they chose to debut the engine in the Outlander and not the Renegade XMR? It's not like Outlander sales are down. Either way, extreme potential!
My guess is. Cuz its now super heavy, and main point of renegade - being lightweight. Probably trying to figure that out.
The 700 set the tempo, eh. I guess it was easier to improve on the Outlanders, rather than the near perfect Renegade. 😅😅😅
@@ehTV1000 very true.
Waiting for a 2025 XTP!
Beauty looking machine. Congrats bud
Can't wait for my 21 000+ eur 2025 short XMR Outlander.
Great video! Nice review!
Appreciate the feedback, thanks for watching!
I watched a older one snap it's drive shaft last night. Does anybody make a machine that doesn't break?
Honda would be your best bet as far as durability, followed by Yamaha, Kawasaki, then Suzuki. Japanese manufacturers are the only way to go as far as build quality. If you plan on modifying the machine, then you have to consider the limitations of OEM parts. For an example, the stock front tire on a Honda Rancher 420, rim, and tire is 23lbs. It’s a 2ply 24inch tire. If you add a
25inch Sedona Ripsaw 6ply tire with 12inch rims, that tire combo goes up to 40lbs. When you start doubling the weight on those axles, and hubs it will cause those components to wear prematurely, wheel bearings, bushings, axles, CV joints etc. If you where to add 14inch rims with say a 27-30inch mud tire you maybe adding up to an additional 80lbs or more to that axle. While it may rotate them, you would be putting much more strain on components not designed for that. The same can apply to drive shafts, and other mechanical components. You have to understand the limitations of OEM parts, and accommodate the modifications to that machine with aftermarket components intended to handle such upgrades. I personally don’t like the Can Ams because of weaker components, on a machine that has way too much hp, and torque for the frame, and chassis it’s mounted too. There are a number of issues with Can Ams, as to why I personally don’t like them.
Power 😅
@@ehTV1000 His comment was durability related , so I referred him to manufacturers who have a reputation, and record of building durable, and robust machines. Can Am doesn’t put strong enough components on their machines to mate well with the power of their engines when pushed hard. I also emphasized contributing factors as to why, and what might address those specific issues.
@@ehTV1000 power is great. But make sure it can handle it. Otherwise your putting out trash can am.
@billwill7383 diffs have been my only issue, and one powersteering unit. 7 Renegades now, and haven't chewd a diff in the last 5 so far though. Possibly headed in the right direction.
When the Outlander XMR g3?
When is the gen 3 renegade coming out 2025?
6 months if not that then yea 2025 or 26 they might have to change the frame in the renegade like they did the outlander but would probably have to make major changes to it
@@bulletinmusic7411 in winter they usually only reveal utility/work machines
This is good question. I see they didn't bother offering an outlander xxc in the new model. When it comes to the racing models, can ya really beat trailing arm setups? I know what my preference would be.
Almost 300k on my 2025 850XT
Why do they weigh 975 lbs? I have a 2022 Renegade XXC 1K. Was hoping to trade, but they didn’t put the “big” motor in the Renegade. Doesn’t make sense. Most who buy a Renegade would appreciate the extra power.
Don't really need it, the Renegade is damn near perfection 👌 lol
@ you are correct Sir
With the sensor off the exhaust pipe exposed like that, I’ll give you about 25 miles going down the bush before that gets ripped out
Interesting thought. It definitely could get snagged in a nasty debris filled swamp if a guy ever had to back up.
Maybe the new can't am motor will be comparable to the brute force 750!!
Lol
We'll have to get one out there and see! Lol
What is a brute force?
They’re far better in every way except MAYBE for diehard mud riding only people , and possibly the Antarctica dwellers worried about frozen ice .
Our 500 gen 3 makes zero squeaks groans or any drivetrain noises whatsoever , compared to the squeaking , groaning , insane drivetrain noise , howling straight cut rear diff gears , poor fit and finish 23 1000R XT.
Absolutely love the 500 more in every way except power .
So much smoother, and your right. No contest on drive line noise
ALL I CAN SAY IS XMR 1000 SHORT FRAME incoming ...lol
all the 2cyl models actually have the same a-arms. 1cyl models are different
Xmr will have arched
Well buy the damn thing and then do a review.
So the new rules are, if you don’t own something you can’t review it
@pjfan173 you are correct. Anyone can read about the products on the manufactures website. You stated you like this and that without using it is ridiculous. You know how many things people buy and then don't like it?
Lol, I like my 18. No need to upgrade yet.
@@pjfan173😂😂😂 zero faks
They look good, have modern conveniences, the Rotax engine is okay, but that’s about where it ends. The overall build quality isn’t there for the long-term. I would like to see the motor mounts on the 850, and 1000’s. They are very pricey for a short term machine. Looks can be deceiving.
You raise some valid points. It's definitely a pricy toy to maintain. But what high-performance machines aren't? Lol. And yes, I definitely should have looked closer at the bushings on the machine, as premature failers are most certainly common on these machines. Being as my brother has pre ordered one, ill get to see the long term ware on a gen 3 here shortly. Cheers man, and thx for checking out the vid.
@ Yeah, I seen where people who purchased the XMR 700 G3 we’re already experiencing motor mount failures, and the roller bearings on the P-Drive primary clutch should be carefully inspected at around 500 miles, and every 500 miles after, as they to have shown to fail . There are videos on RUclips on preventative maintenance on greasing them. If they do fail, it can cause major transmission problems, and very costly repairs. I would really look into those two specific issues. Also inspect the torque bearings, as well for signs of grinding. All these issues can be found both on RUclips and forums. Hope this helps. Because the 850/1000 engines are even heavier than the 650cc 500/700 G3 outlanders I would carefully inspect, and keep a eye on them, especially if you do any aggressive riding, or happen to have any hard landings, or dip hits. Some people remedy this issue with using the Ski Doo motor mounts, as they seem to be better than those on the Outlanders, but will fit in place of the OEM ones.