I think a key part is getting the left (/off-arm) shoulder fully extended forward while keeping the arm itself down and out of the way. This technique is a lot more about the shoulder than the arm itself. Doing this (pushing the shoulder out) fully stretches your back muscles which transfers a huge amount of energy from your left shoulder (pushing forward) to your right shoulder (which is pulled back, adding speed to the pull). There are a couple points here to dig deeper into as well. Most average players will do this correctly throughout the throw, which adds some power naturally. The pros however aren't just trying to keep the back muscles fully tight throughou the throw though, they are 'bouncing' the stretch using it as an elastic/rubber band effect instead of a "rope pulling" effect. This can double or triple the amount of force transferred to the lead arm through the upper back but only for a very tiny window of time, and if it isn't done at exactly the right time, you end up wasting it. I can't say I've got it down personally but I definitely understand it and I can feel it working (and absolutely see it in the flight) when I execute the timing perfectly. Just getting this right can be the dif between 400 and 450, or 450 and 490. I think you're at a similar point as me - you're kinda halfway doing it already but instinctively instead of intentionally. Try focusing on getting the shoulder fully stretched forward like a few milliseconds before your lead shoulder rips back (while keeping the off forearm down and out of the way).
I actually disagree with this. This sounds like slingshot disc golf. All the old coaches of disc golf think he's wrong. And my personal experience leads me to think so too. I started throwing back hand around the time he started making videos. I was pretty bought in and did the exaggerated off arm. I did it for years. And eventually I switched to keeping my off arm more at my side. But even then, my off shoulder would turn in like when I did the whole arm Paul Macbeth slingshot disc golf thing. And it was giving me all the same problem. Only when I stopped turning that shoulder in and leaving it back did I see a lot of power gains and they came more consistent. I've felt the tension and lag and the force that moves you to rotate from the double move and your shoulder turning in. But I don't think it's a force that goes into the disc. By turning that shoulder in you start to initiate the throw from the back shoulder instead of the front. It causes you to over rotate and rotate early. That early rotation gets your body in front of the disc and puts you in a rounded position mid throw. I'm open to different perspectives. But my personal journey has led me to believe what you said was actually what was holding me back.
good video as always. I've been dealing with the off arm issue for awhile and still am but starting to have better ques. I also think the off arm allows our shoulders(head) to slow down and have our throwing arm speed up.
Also, keeping the head not moving until the back arm comes through helps alot(check goose). Thanks again for the form videos and your content. been watching forever
Nice video. One thing that helped me for timing was to try to put rythym into it as if I was doing my run up and throw to a metronome. Really made a big difference in my throws. I'm going to try to implement the off arm a bit better next time I go out.
I was stuck around 47 mph on tech disc. When I started thinking about bringing in the off arm and trying to keep it there I got up to 55 mph. I think it makes a big difference.
Bend more at the waist. A lot of RUclips coaches teach well, but throw standing upright. Watch Eagle. It’s more athletic to bend at the waist and the off arm won’t be in the way.
The way I've been working on this is that it's more about the shoulder than the arm. So, using my shoulder I'm pushing my weight down and in towards the brace and the arm comes along for the ride close to my body. And I try to connect what my shoulder is doing with my trail leg bringing it down and in also. Gannon very briefly talks about this in a vid on his channel. It's titled something like "add 75ft of distance". But, yeah, I think the off-side is more important than a lot of people think. Great video!
I don’t think your off arm timing is off I think your plant foot timing is off. The purpose of the tuck on the arm is to delay the lag so you’re getting explosion from your back and chest flexing. It looks good just my opinion, go watch drew Gibson or Macbeth on where their feet arm in relationship to off arm. They use the off arm, just looks like you’re making the off arm look pretty instead of using it in your throw. Gannon buhr also uses his off arm as part of his push off leg to engage with his hip, not tucking in his arm. All three of these guys mentioned have their arm super tight to their body on the rotation, on your updated form you look a little chicken winged out. Just my opinion..
Thanks for sharing! I agree, off arm is important. Funny how I’ve been working on this too! For me, I noticed it promotes staying consistent in my rotation, hips and bracing. During tournaments it’s been helping with not thinking about my form and focusing on my line.
@@ThisIsVao Yeah something I didn’t mention in the video, is when I’m position my off arm this way, I tend to be wayyyy more consistent at hitting my lines. Like night and day. I think it helps a lot with timing.
I remember Drew touched on this pretty well with Bodanza's form. I don't remember where I heard of it from but this was also something I heard right when I got into disc golf. I had a torn labrum at the time so I just ignored the arm swing and stuck my arm at my hip the entire throw and have never changed it. I might try to incorporate a swing for more power as I'd like to hit a new milestone.
I think a key part is getting the left (/off-arm) shoulder fully extended forward while keeping the arm itself down and out of the way. This technique is a lot more about the shoulder than the arm itself. Doing this (pushing the shoulder out) fully stretches your back muscles which transfers a huge amount of energy from your left shoulder (pushing forward) to your right shoulder (which is pulled back, adding speed to the pull).
There are a couple points here to dig deeper into as well. Most average players will do this correctly throughout the throw, which adds some power naturally. The pros however aren't just trying to keep the back muscles fully tight throughou the throw though, they are 'bouncing' the stretch using it as an elastic/rubber band effect instead of a "rope pulling" effect. This can double or triple the amount of force transferred to the lead arm through the upper back but only for a very tiny window of time, and if it isn't done at exactly the right time, you end up wasting it.
I can't say I've got it down personally but I definitely understand it and I can feel it working (and absolutely see it in the flight) when I execute the timing perfectly. Just getting this right can be the dif between 400 and 450, or 450 and 490.
I think you're at a similar point as me - you're kinda halfway doing it already but instinctively instead of intentionally. Try focusing on getting the shoulder fully stretched forward like a few milliseconds before your lead shoulder rips back (while keeping the off forearm down and out of the way).
I actually disagree with this. This sounds like slingshot disc golf. All the old coaches of disc golf think he's wrong. And my personal experience leads me to think so too.
I started throwing back hand around the time he started making videos. I was pretty bought in and did the exaggerated off arm. I did it for years. And eventually I switched to keeping my off arm more at my side. But even then, my off shoulder would turn in like when I did the whole arm Paul Macbeth slingshot disc golf thing. And it was giving me all the same problem. Only when I stopped turning that shoulder in and leaving it back did I see a lot of power gains and they came more consistent.
I've felt the tension and lag and the force that moves you to rotate from the double move and your shoulder turning in. But I don't think it's a force that goes into the disc.
By turning that shoulder in you start to initiate the throw from the back shoulder instead of the front. It causes you to over rotate and rotate early. That early rotation gets your body in front of the disc and puts you in a rounded position mid throw.
I'm open to different perspectives. But my personal journey has led me to believe what you said was actually what was holding me back.
Thank you for the update boss man
good video as always. I've been dealing with the off arm issue for awhile and still am but starting to have better ques. I also think the off arm allows our shoulders(head) to slow down and have our throwing arm speed up.
Also, keeping the head not moving until the back arm comes through helps alot(check goose). Thanks again for the form videos and your content. been watching forever
Nice video. One thing that helped me for timing was to try to put rythym into it as if I was doing my run up and throw to a metronome. Really made a big difference in my throws. I'm going to try to implement the off arm a bit better next time I go out.
Great video...well explained. A valuable reminder to get extra distance.
I was stuck around 47 mph on tech disc. When I started thinking about bringing in the off arm and trying to keep it there I got up to 55 mph. I think it makes a big difference.
Bend more at the waist. A lot of RUclips coaches teach well, but throw standing upright. Watch Eagle. It’s more athletic to bend at the waist and the off arm won’t be in the way.
The way I've been working on this is that it's more about the shoulder than the arm. So, using my shoulder I'm pushing my weight down and in towards the brace and the arm comes along for the ride close to my body. And I try to connect what my shoulder is doing with my trail leg bringing it down and in also. Gannon very briefly talks about this in a vid on his channel. It's titled something like "add 75ft of distance". But, yeah, I think the off-side is more important than a lot of people think. Great video!
I give my left shoulder a nice little tap a lot. Happens mostly when I get tired though
I don’t think your off arm timing is off I think your plant foot timing is off. The purpose of the tuck on the arm is to delay the lag so you’re getting explosion from your back and chest flexing. It looks good just my opinion, go watch drew Gibson or Macbeth on where their feet arm in relationship to off arm. They use the off arm, just looks like you’re making the off arm look pretty instead of using it in your throw. Gannon buhr also uses his off arm as part of his push off leg to engage with his hip, not tucking in his arm. All three of these guys mentioned have their arm super tight to their body on the rotation, on your updated form you look a little chicken winged out. Just my opinion..
Yep, I needed this video. Thanks man 👍🏻
Thanks for sharing! I agree, off arm is important. Funny how I’ve been working on this too! For me, I noticed it promotes staying consistent in my rotation, hips and bracing. During tournaments it’s been helping with not thinking about my form and focusing on my line.
@@ThisIsVao Yeah something I didn’t mention in the video, is when I’m position my off arm this way, I tend to be wayyyy more consistent at hitting my lines. Like night and day. I think it helps a lot with timing.
I remember Drew touched on this pretty well with Bodanza's form. I don't remember where I heard of it from but this was also something I heard right when I got into disc golf. I had a torn labrum at the time so I just ignored the arm swing and stuck my arm at my hip the entire throw and have never changed it. I might try to incorporate a swing for more power as I'd like to hit a new milestone.
@@triplespace007 gavin rathbun? is that you?